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Speaker 1: M hm m hm. Welcome back all the smoke, Jack

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Speaker 1: l A. We got new lighting and ship like. It

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Speaker 1: feels like we're elevating right now. Back to back if

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Speaker 1: we're back man season four, Sir, I ain't got no

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Speaker 1: sweaty hands. You got dry hands. God must be good.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you everyone's been checking out the

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Speaker 1: ship we shot in Vegas. I hope you guys have

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Speaker 1: been joined our Vegas run legends. Now your shout out

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Speaker 1: Legends the Wind Hotel. But now we're back to live guests.

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Speaker 1: And this is someone When I thought of this show,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't wait to get this person

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Speaker 1: because I think he's such a misunderstood person. It took

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Speaker 1: his four motherfucking season to get him. We've been riding

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Speaker 1: for the whole time. You already know buddy's here. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. The White Howards good Man. Good to see. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to get right to him. Man, you were

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Speaker 1: telling us this crazy ship you were doing in the summer,

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Speaker 1: So share with the world and when when when when

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Speaker 1: can the rest of us watch it? Oh? Man? So

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Speaker 1: this summer I decided to go to Jordan's Way Rum,

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Speaker 1: Jordan's Middle East, Middle east hundred and fifteen degrees during

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Speaker 1: the day, just board forty during the night. UM, and

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Speaker 1: I decided to do this Special Forces show and everybody's like, bro,

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Speaker 1: you're crazy, Like you could die, and yeah, I could

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Speaker 1: have literally died over there and shoot that I was doing.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like it was a reality show where

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Speaker 1: we go home to our nice hotel and we chill. No, sir,

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Speaker 1: we're really and the ship the whole day, every day,

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Speaker 1: all day. What kind of stuff are you guys doing?

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Speaker 1: The last day I got hitting app uh. While I

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Speaker 1: put out the first day, but the last day, knowing

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Speaker 1: killad guys. They tied us up. So the last day

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Speaker 1: it was me and my partner and her name is

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Speaker 1: Carly Lloyd. She's a soccer player one two I think

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Speaker 1: World Championships. As me and her, we're trekking through the desert.

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Speaker 1: We gotta trick three thousand meters through the desert and

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Speaker 1: telling people I'm abody to go do this. They're like, bro,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even the name. I was just a number.

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Speaker 1: But it was the craziest thing and the best thing

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Speaker 1: just like let's say you was fighting somebody that was

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Speaker 1: something that we learned. And then how to control that,

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, a lot of times we

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Speaker 1: After that, I had PTSD like crazy. Let me know,

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Speaker 1: sure you guys stay on the lookout for that NBA

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Speaker 1: season is upon us. Um you still got it in you?

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Speaker 1: Where's your mind at right now? As far as possibly

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Speaker 1: talking to team coming back could be done, Like, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to play like I enjoyed the game. It'll

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like no teams are

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Speaker 1: you know. And it's been like, damn, do I want

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Speaker 1: I still got it? What you want to do? Man,

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Speaker 1: I really just I want to enjoy my life first

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Speaker 1: and foremost my kids get older, you know, I really

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Speaker 1: to go out on top for real. I still got it.

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Speaker 1: I still can't hoop. What has the transition been like

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Speaker 1: how was that? I mean, that's not a physical transition,

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Speaker 1: it's a mental transition. Transition for you, man, it was tough.

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Speaker 1: I remember I really told nobody this story. I remember

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Speaker 1: Kirk says to me, you're not Dwight Howard no more.

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Speaker 1: Kirk Kirk ramas so he says, you're not Dwight Howard

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Speaker 1: you come to the team, And I'm like, damn, how

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna want me to be myself? And it

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Speaker 1: And I was real hard, you know, to say, ship,

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Speaker 1: get that out of my mind, you know, put my

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Speaker 1: How hard was that thought? Like I said to me,

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Speaker 1: You've never really been too much of an ego, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't It didn't take that long because I really

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Speaker 1: I was hurt there unter the whole season toward my

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Speaker 1: don't even told you. I was like, bro, you're coming

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, they shouldn't have to go through that,

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Speaker 1: And that's the fun part of the game. But it's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: So I'll just keep my mouth shut going about my

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Speaker 1: definitely more basketball, But I want to know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: of the strongest. My father was telling someone the story before.

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Speaker 1: So when we was in Orlando, we was in Toronto

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Speaker 1: was me, who was me sweet lou Vincent Jamir all

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Speaker 1: You know me, I'm a ship truck. I took a

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Speaker 1: lot because just like I don't remember that ain't right

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Speaker 1: duct tape on bro he threw Brandon Bass me, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Vince was that may Rochard

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Speaker 1: doing I think, I mean, your personality, you big as

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Speaker 1: young women raising young kids, so you have young men

428
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: raising younger man. It is like none of us are

429
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: really getting the proper guidance. And you know, I feel

430
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: like this next generation, I need guidance. So these eighteen

431
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: ye rolls that's coming in and stuff like that, they

432
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: had the proper guide. That's the proper teacher. Man, It's

433
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Um. You get off to a little

434
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: bit of a slow start. First three seasons, missed the playoffs.

435
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: What was that like for you? Someone who was accustomed

436
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: to winning uh Number one picked out the face of

437
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: the franchise and you guys can't get to the playoffs.

438
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: How frustrating was that for you? I just felt like

439
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: it was growing pains. I felt like it was kind

440
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: of like where I went through in high school where

441
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: our team was pretty good but we didn't win the championship.

442
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: So I've always looked at it like next year is

443
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: going to be better. You know, we need to add

444
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: this piece. We need to add this piece we need.

445
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: But they come to you early on and ask you

446
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: that even though you were young, I never got asked

447
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: anything at all, not my no time with the Magic,

448
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: not until I asked to be traded, and then it

449
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: was like, no, I didn't want to ask me questions.

450
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: So then I was like, well, this ain't cool. Y'all

451
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: talked to me in eight years, so how I was

452
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: supposed to? You know, think now you know what I'm saying.

453
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people got that whole

454
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: situation Orlando twisting and turned upside down, and after that

455
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: it kind of like, really, I think it messed up

456
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: my image, you know with fans and people like that,

457
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: we'll talk to us, because I mean, there was there

458
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: was some head button with you, and stand Stan was

459
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: a was a character boy. It was great X and

460
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: those guys. But just outside of that, like personality kind

461
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: of managing and dealing with people was a little uh.

462
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: But like I said, that's one of the reasons why

463
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, because I felt like

464
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: you were such a misunderstood person, like not a bad

465
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: but a bone in your body. And to me, sometimes

466
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: that hurt you because you're such a nice guy, like

467
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: you're not a mean person. And I say, I wish

468
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: the white was an asshole, because it would be couldn't

469
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: you imagine how much uglier it could get if he

470
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: was like if he was mean? But I know you're like,

471
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: you're really like a kind soul, you know what I mean.

472
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: So talk to us about that experience and how you feel,

473
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, through the way media push it out and

474
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, little snippets that would get here and there,

475
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: they're kind of, you know, kind of painted a bad

476
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: picture who you actually. I really hated it, to be

477
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: honest with you, Um, the whole stand situation. I was

478
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: really upset at how we ended that season when we

479
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: was in the finals. Um, but you know, I knew

480
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: that we just played a team that had more experience,

481
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: so we couldn't blame it on anybody. And after that season, UM,

482
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: the year I wanted to get traded. I just asked quietly,

483
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: two otis I want a new change for my life.

484
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: I've been in Orlando eight years. I just want to

485
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 1: change the direction. I felt like I had a lot

486
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: of yes people around me at the time and no

487
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: offense to those people now, But I feel like I

488
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna mature and become a better person. Almost in

489
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: a bubble again. Yeah, So I just felt like I

490
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: needed to to change my way as a move. So

491
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: I guess they took that as me saying Orlando wasn't

492
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: good enough. And I hated my teammates, I hated the

493
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: city and all this stuff, and it became like a

494
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: story and for me, I looking back on it, I

495
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: should have just said, no, this is not what's going on.

496
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: This is what it is. But this is early social

497
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: media though, so it's really whatever they put out there.

498
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: You don't really have a voice yet, really, but I

499
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: just allowed too much to have it. It's just a

500
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: lot of situations in the NBA, well in my NBA

501
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: career that I was allowed to just having and people talking.

502
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: I didn't really say too much on it because I'm like, man,

503
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: why why? But then the people's perception forms their reality,

504
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm over here living

505
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: in my reality like this ship ain't bothering me, ain't

506
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: think about it. But to everyone else like tea, yeah,

507
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: teams are seeing this. All these people are seeing this,

508
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: and they're like and the white like this are he

509
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: doing this? And I'm like this ain't even nowhere near

510
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: how I am. Are close to the truth. So I

511
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: wish I would have said more things, but I'm and

512
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, na, let me just focus

513
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: on things that matter to me and stuff like that.

514
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: But you know, I hated how that situation or Lando

515
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: was because it really was a great time now and there,

516
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: you we was together down there. I felt like we

517
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: was really the tar came off the Finals with the Lakers.

518
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: So the next year, me, Vince and I think Jason Wayne, yeah,

519
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: and I just felt like we needed more time together

520
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: and we was getting older. We just needed to add,

521
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, just a couple more pieces, but we had

522
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: a core, and I felt like the media and people

523
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: were just trying to put me against the team. And

524
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: I heard my back that year and people on the

525
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: team thinking I'm not really hurt that I'm out partying

526
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: and doing other stuff, and I'm like, I ain't even

527
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: that type of dude to be doing some ship like

528
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: that to my teammates, like that ain't even me. So

529
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: it was just so much going on, and just looking back,

530
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I really should have just stepped up

531
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: and said something, But I was in my own little

532
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: world thinking about my kids, are you know, basketball or

533
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: just chilling. I wentn't thinking about what people were saying

534
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I just tried to keep that

535
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: out of my mind. But hindsight, I should have said

536
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: some things talking about their team and two thousand nine

537
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: talk about their team, the complished champs. Hold on before

538
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: you do that. We could talk about that, but I

539
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: want to make sure we talked about two. Um how

540
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: we switched the game playing going in the Eastern Finals.

541
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: But they talk about that scene the first when we, uh,

542
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: didn't we like remember what the stance or something like,

543
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: you know we're going up? Yeah, but we were playing

544
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: against Boston. Yeah, remember smacked them? Yeah, we beat the ship.

545
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: It was smacking. I don't know him And to other

546
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: his team, they said the same time, they did nasty

547
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: and then we got you was killing, but I swept

548
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: them ship out. Question. Yeah, So we get to Boston

549
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, let's keep doing what we're doing. No,

550
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: We've beating teams by like twenty plus points. Yes, and

551
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: stands like, no, we're gonna switch the whole thing up.

552
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: What y'all stopped playing in side out? I don't know what,

553
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. We just stopped points against us? Just

554
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: how y'all swept us, y'all throw it in him. If

555
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: you didn't do if you didn't double the trip, it

556
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: was over. We did thinking roll, but we was doing

557
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: yes in the first quarter, Yes, smoking, and then Stan

558
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: was like no, new everything. It's then we went to

559
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: him and was like yo, bro, like why are you

560
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: doing yeah? And then we then we got down O three?

561
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: Didn't we know it was down too? Then we won

562
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: two in a row. Then they beat us in game six. Yes,

563
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: that's what happened. And I think that was one of

564
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: the games where accidentally elbowed big baby and he uh

565
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: fell out. I ain't mean to do it, but I

566
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: just knocked him out. You had you had to hit

567
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: him hard though. That's a big dude, bro. It was crazy.

568
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, that's my dog too. He's said

569
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: about it right now. I don't know. I think that's

570
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: probably misconception. Two guys that I played with, you know,

571
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: I played against, like when we're on the court, like

572
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm just crazy. I might elbow you or hit you

573
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: and you're like fuck you. But then off the court,

574
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: it's like you're my dog. But people might take how

575
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: I am on the court, you know, crazy so just

576
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff be crazy. So when you ask,

577
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: did they blow the trade request out of proportion? But

578
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: once it kind of starts materializing into something, whether there

579
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: any other teams or where you focused, you wanted to

580
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: go come here to l A. The crazy part about it.

581
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: I never wanted to go to l A. Never, And

582
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to l A because I

583
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: felt like people was going to compare me to Shock

584
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: and I was trying to following shacks footsteps, start with

585
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: the magic, go to l A and be in Hollywood,

586
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go to l A to do

587
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: movies and all that, which is not a bad thing,

588
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: it's not, but I just didn't want people thinking that

589
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: he was. But but then you see that's the that's

590
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: the funked up part. Okay, this is this the part.

591
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: You spend me just to come out and play bastball

592
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: because that's what you want me to do. But basketball

593
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: is going to end, so don't be mad at me

594
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: because I'm doing other ships. So that's that's what But

595
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: that's what happened. Back then. When I was playing, it

596
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: was like I'm focused on trying to do movies and

597
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And it's like I'm not focused

598
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: on basketball, and it was unfair because now everybody's like

599
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: they're doing I'm trying to do everything, and I'm saying

600
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: back then, like yo, I can do it all too,

601
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: Like why can't I do movies while I'm in l A.

602
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: And I didn't practice basketball for half the damn day.

603
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: I can't go shoot a movie or do a couple

604
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: of hours of this, you know what I'm saying. So

605
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: it just became so much. So I wanted to go

606
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn. That's why I wanted to go. Who was

607
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: there at the time, Um, I think it was Darren

608
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: Williams uh broker Off that just got there. I think

609
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: Joe was there and they were I actually saw the

610
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: plans of the new facility, the arena that they was

611
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: building everything. So I was like really about to go

612
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn. And that's why I asked to get out

613
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: of the uh to go from the Magic because I

614
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: wanted to go to Brooklyn. And I told the Magic

615
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: that I didn't want to go to l A. So

616
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: they sent me to l A. On per was because

617
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: I had to go to Brooklyn, right, But I feel

618
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: like this is where everything changed for you because obviously

619
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: the black the back surgery happens um and it was

620
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: a serious I mean any any back surgery serious, but

621
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: it was a serious back surgery. And I actually remember

622
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: talking you before that season, like, bro, make sure you're ready.

623
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: But what was it the competitor and you They just

624
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: wanted to get out there and show the world what

625
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: you have because, like to me, that's where everything changed.

626
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: You were the most or if not one of the

627
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: most dominant players that the game has ever seen in

628
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: your heyday run in Orlando, and then you came to

629
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: the Lakers and I could tell the media was like,

630
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: he can't even really jump, like Dwight is someone that's

631
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: at the top of the backboard catching ship, Like you

632
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: weren't really moving Like That's why as a as a

633
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: friend and an a fan, I'm like, damn, he's not healthy.

634
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: Why is he doing this? And then I didn't know

635
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: you tore your labor, but you went through a lot,

636
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: but specifically coming back fast from that back surgery. What

637
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: was your thinking behind that? I was I just wanted

638
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: to first I feel like how I departed Orlando, how

639
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: they made the situation happened. It really just put a

640
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: fire in me to train. It was supposed to be

641
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: a year of training, but I came back in four months,

642
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: so I was like, no, I'm gonna get back to it.

643
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: So I'm double time. I'm training three times a day, um,

644
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: all types of crazy diets. My body fat was down

645
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: to like three so it's like I'm doing everything perfect,

646
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: but I still wasn't ready to play. And then I

647
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: ended up tearing my lab room, which was super bad,

648
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: but just a back for people to understand, like they

649
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: took that much out of my disk in my back,

650
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: the largest hernation that the doctor has ever seen. And

651
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: he's one of the best doctors in n l A.

652
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: And everybody who's playing basketball who's had back surgeries or

653
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: anything dealing with their back, they have seen him and

654
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: his doctor Watkins, he ain't seen nothing like it. And

655
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: before I was about to have surgery, the doctor doctor

656
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: in Orlando actually told me I was never gonna play

657
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: again if you had the surgery. No, if I didn't

658
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: have the surgery, he had already said, See, people don't

659
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: know all this happening Orlando. This is why I'm like,

660
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I hurt my back and stand is

661
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: asking me to practice more and my back is fucked up.

662
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Why would I stay in a place where a team

663
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: is don't give two ships about me? Like, my back

664
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: is messed up. I'm telling this man, yo, staying, I

665
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: can't even walk. Can you do one more play? Can

666
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: you run this stand? This ship is fucked up. Come on, Dwight,

667
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: just get out. Yeah, something like, come on, man, this

668
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: ain't cool. But my back was really, really really messed up,

669
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: to the point where I couldn't do a calf raise,

670
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: I couldn't lift my foot up. I had no more

671
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: nothing in my left leg, and literally the doctor said

672
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: to me, to White, your career is done. So for

673
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: me to come back in four months, just show you

674
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: how hard I had to work just to get my

675
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: cab to get the nerve back fired. It took a

676
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: month and a half to do that by itself. So

677
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: after I had the surgery, I had a I'm walking

678
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: with a walker around the host the hospital. The first

679
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: couple actually the first couple of weeks, I couldn't walk,

680
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: but from probably this wall to that wall right there,

681
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: that's how far I could walk from here to there

682
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: and back. The first time I went to gym, I

683
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: could only go and shoot ten shots, and I couldn't

684
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: even jump, So I could only stand and do like

685
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: this ten times and then ship any little muscle. I

686
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: couldn't even I couldn't even fart. If I farted, that

687
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: ship could come out and sunk my whole back up again.

688
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: So the ship was some real ass ship. People don't

689
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: understand how serious that surgery was that I had, and

690
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: what was already going on in my back. If he

691
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: would have moved whatever you tensily he was using um

692
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: sending me over to the left, I to the right,

693
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: I could have went paralyzed. So all that ship was

694
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: dead serious. So for me to come back like that,

695
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: so it's supposed to be a year recovery. You came back,

696
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: and I came back in four months and I played

697
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: and I averaged twenty two and damn second half of

698
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: the season, and I was an All Star and I

699
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: was led the league and rebounds and I was second

700
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: in blocks, and people in l A were saying I

701
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: had a bad season. I was a reason why l

702
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: A lost. How how make it make sense? And twent

703
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: of a thirteen and two blocks, It don't make sense.

704
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: It's just the media and people saying this is what happened.

705
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: This is the white did this. Him and Kobe got

706
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: in shoes. Me and Kobe had issues because hell, he

707
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: older than me. I'm young's you got to alpha males.

708
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm a young when here old when he won his way,

709
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sure I'm happy go lucky and I won't

710
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: my way, but in a happy way. I'm having fun,

711
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: Like shouldn't give me the ball, I'm gonna go dunck

712
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: on this nick. But we just to have a chance

713
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: to really build it, build it like we wanted to,

714
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it wasn't meant to happen,

715
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, looking back on and I wish it happened.

716
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: But to the relationship with him, you know, I got

717
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: a chance to play with him and know his mindset

718
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: and know how he moves. But then got a chance

719
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: to play with you and know how you're serious but

720
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: you could smile and laugh and he's not like that

721
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: at all. Talk to us about that and and and

722
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: was there ever an understanding or what was it like

723
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: working with him because he only got a year with it.

724
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: I don't think it was the understanding that we could

725
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: have that we could yeah with time, because there was

726
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: so many expectations, and I'm going through my own ship

727
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: with trying to recover from this back surgery and then

728
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: tearing my lay room, and it's like, man, how do

729
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: I deal with somebody that I grew up watching as

730
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: a child. But now we're teammates. We just played each

731
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: other in the finals literally, so like we got this rivalry,

732
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: like I want to beat his ass, but now we're teammates.

733
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: So it's like, Ship, I can't do that no more. Uh,

734
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: but it's Kobe Bryant. You know what I'm saying. He

735
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I want to get his ass back. He

736
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: dunked you, tough, bro, Ship, I forgot about that. You

737
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: really had to do all that, yeah, because that was

738
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: that was that was. That was one of the one.

739
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: But you didn't got other people. But for real, that

740
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: was the like the whole time he was over here,

741
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: laid back. Yeah, you know, and oh he talked Ship.

742
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: That was that was one of the one. And you

743
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: didn't pay people back on hunting times worse, but that

744
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: was one of the ones. He did. I see it now,

745
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: dumped the ship out of my ass. But I was

746
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: you that really I was what happened was I didn't

747
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: think he was gonna dunk because I didn't know he was.

748
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: I ain't know. It was my rookie years, so I

749
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna come over and do like a

750
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: pull up on the lass that was eight Kobe. Yeah,

751
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: so he was dunking everything. I didn't know until dunking

752
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: everything he split. It was Pat Garretty and de Sean Stevens.

753
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: He split the pick a row and I jumped over

754
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: and come through like that like I was gonna. I

755
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: don't know what the funk I was sinking, and so

756
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: then I closed my eyes too, and all I heard

757
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: was booming. Oh. I said, oh, let's take so then uh,

758
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: Brian Grant Uh, he said, welcome to the league Feller,

759
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: I said, ship Kobe got me and then right after

760
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: that my whole boy, it was my birthday. So he

761
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: made a cake with Kobe dunking on me. Everywhere I

762
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: was at I could see in the picture of Kobe

763
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: duncan on me, and it was like me and Kobe

764
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: always just some bullshit. We always been connected. Every picture

765
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: out of scene, I'm in the background, like, fuck you code,

766
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: You're dunking of my ass. Now I'm all your pictures

767
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: in the back, like, but yeah, man, rest of piece. Man,

768
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: we had some great times. Man. Even his teammates talke

769
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: us about some of the cool times because it wasn't

770
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: always He's not like that, and you know it was

771
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: definitely know that I wasn't there, but I know, you

772
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: guys have some good times. I just always mess with

773
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: him how before the game when they introduced him, how

774
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: he would try to chew gum but it was no

775
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: gum in his mouth, but he was acting like he

776
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: had gun, Like how Michael Jordan would come out something like, Yo,

777
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: are you trying to act like Jordan? Question? No dumb

778
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: in his mouth and he's just sitting on the bed.

779
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: Dohight you ready to play? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you know,

780
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: like this thing Kvie is crazy. But there off the court,

781
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: we had some times together in Vegas where you know,

782
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: we had some parties and we're just chilling and it's

783
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: just you see Kobe at a different light, you know

784
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that we're just talking and kicking the ship,

785
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember going to his house one time. Man,

786
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: he liked, uh all that movie Pitch Perfect, and so

787
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm like he's like, yo, you you see that movie

788
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: pitch Perfect, and I'm like, yeah, I like that movie.

789
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I like it too. I'm like, get

790
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: the funk out of you. Like no, pitch Perfect. I'm like,

791
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: ain't no way. I'm thinking you watch all crazy ass

792
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: type movies killing people, but you like pitch Perfect. Y'all

793
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: just watching that ship last night. Bro, It's one of

794
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: my favorite movies. Just become best friends? Did we just

795
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: become best friends? It was crazy, Like you know, just

796
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: as a kid watching Kobe play, and then coming out

797
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: of high school, Kobe duncan on you, then you on

798
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: Olympics with Kobe, and then you on Kobe's team, and

799
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: then y'all arguing with each other. All that is still

800
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: even a dream. Just like I don't care what people say, Like, man,

801
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: Kobe connected, I got hello. I looked back at all

802
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: the pictures I got to him and just me and

803
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: him together, just talking to all the ship that doesn't

804
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: happen between me and him, like the personal stories that

805
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say on camera, Like all all that

806
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: is like I can see that. So when people saying

807
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: Kobe ain't funk with you or this happened, I just laughed,

808
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, people don't really know. And then we

809
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: played together. We didn't work out, um, but that happens.

810
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't meant for us to win together

811
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: like that, But I get I got a chance to

812
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: see him in so many It's like different eras of Kobe,

813
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: like my high school era playing against seeing him play,

814
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: watching him in the Olympics together, playing against him on

815
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: the same team, and then watching him be a dad

816
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: and training all the different women, Candice Park and all that. So,

817
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, just seeing all that and then when he

818
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: passed man, it really it really broke me down, Like,

819
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, I never forget how it all happened. We

820
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: just played in Philly the night before, Braun had broke

821
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: his record, uh something, scoring record or whatever. So I

822
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: remember just sitting down thinking about, you know, Kobe scoring

823
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: all the points and then then Lebron coming up and

824
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: scoring all these points, and I was like, you know what,

825
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: it's always good to tell people why they're alive, you know,

826
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: how you appreciate them and stuff like that. So I

827
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: sat up there on the bench and I was like,

828
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna tell Lebron like that's a

829
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: great accomplishment. So I'm prior to you. I've been playing

830
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: issues since we was fifteen. So I went over there

831
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: and told him that, went back to the room and

832
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: we started talking about Kobe and how many points he

833
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: scored and how he dunked on me and all this stuff.

834
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: And then we get on the plane and we're flying

835
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: back and my phone is blowing up and everybody sleep.

836
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: So I wake up and I looked and he said

837
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: Kobe died. I'm like, get the funk out of here

838
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: and something. Looking around everybody knocked out. I'm like, this

839
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: can't be real. So I go on Instagram and I

840
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: just see a whole bunch of messages Kobe died. And

841
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: then I go wake up Boogie and I'm like, yo,

842
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: look at this. He's like, Yo, what the fuck? So

843
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: I wake up a d and Lebron I started waking

844
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: U like, yo, bro, Kobe died. And so I'm like, Yo,

845
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: this can't be for real. Go to the back. Everybody

846
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: else starts waking him up, just start crying. I go

847
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and I just started crying for like

848
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: twenty minutes in the bathroom. I can't believe it. And

849
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: I started thinking about his daughters, like damn, ain't gonna

850
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: have no father. Then one of his daughters died. I

851
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: just kept thinking about that, and then we got off

852
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: the plane and she was just so hard after that

853
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: even just fathom the whole situation. Then this man was

854
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: my teammate, you know what I'm saying. So it's different

855
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, Like man, we grew up

856
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: watching this person. But I hadn't actually been on the

857
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: plane with this man. You know what I'm saying. We

858
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: don't practice together. We kick the ship with each other.

859
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Then they're about to go blows with each other, you

860
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So now it's like you found

861
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: out this person ain't there no more. So yeah, it was.

862
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: It was really it really kind of piggybacking off that

863
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: you were one of the rare people that got a

864
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: chance to play with Kobe, play get some of the finals,

865
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: play with him, play with Lebron, win with Lebron. Not

866
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: to compare them too, but they are there any But

867
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: what are some of the similarities or contract Like, I

868
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: just think they're two different. They're two it's two different,

869
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: They're two different people, you know what I'm saying. Kobe's

870
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: I always felt like Kobe was like Batman. You know

871
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he just this, he by himself,

872
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: dark night. But yeah, that's Kobe. And then you know

873
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: Lebron is like Captain America. That's like, that's like, that's

874
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: like Lebron. So Lebron is always he wants everybody to

875
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: be around, you know what I'm saying. He want to

876
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: have fun. He want to dance before the games and

877
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: put on his music. And Kobe is just locked there.

878
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: He don't say nothing. You know, he got the basketball

879
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: and he dribbled in the heavy ball before the whold

880
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: the game. So uh, As far as skills, I think

881
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: I think Kobe like is the most skilled out of

882
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: all the players as far as pure skill shooting being

883
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: able to you, it's not even close to me. Yeah,

884
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about everything, just thinking about it, like

885
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: he could do all that, like everything Jordan did. I

886
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: felt like he just multiplied. And yeah, like people mad

887
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: at him for doing it, Like, man, why, like you

888
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: don't never try to break the wheel. You you see

889
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: what works and then you use that and make it

890
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: work for you. So that's what Kobe did, and he

891
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: did it with the best player ever, Like he didn't

892
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: everything he did and made it better. And you know,

893
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: even watching him practice, like some things that he was doing,

894
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: I was like, why is he doing it? Like one

895
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: day I saw him getting his fingers stretched. I'm like,

896
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: why is he getting his finger stretched? I just saw

897
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: the lady doing this for a whole like our I

898
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: guess it was when he shot his jump shot, so

899
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: to be smooth every time when he so it's just

900
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: like little things like that, like where did he learn

901
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: that from? It was just crazy to see. But then Lebron,

902
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: he just got the whole package. He can pass and

903
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: you can post up. He's big, He's like Magic Johnson

904
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: on steroids. He should be the logo Lebron. Oh all around.

905
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen anybody better all around, said

906
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: Lebron should be the logo. Wow, I'm not mad at

907
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: that at all. If you're talking about basketball, people tell

908
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: kids today, yeah, Michael john is the best. But if

909
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: I had to tell you to look at one player,

910
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: go look at Lebron James. Everybody's telling their kids that

911
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: because he does everything right on and off the court.

912
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: He can't miss with Lebron. So what about Steph? He's

913
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 1: not six eight to sixty that can do it all.

914
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: That's broke all the records. He's not. Yeah, they both

915
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: get the beat. Stepping to get that beat too. But

916
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just that man stuff. Like, but

917
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: a lot of kids he step changed the game, no question,

918
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: generation questions, step the game. Very few people did that. Yeah,

919
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: so like shop, we're gonna have Lebron stuff on that. Yeah.

920
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm just like, for what what

921
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: step is unbelievable, but the total aspect of a basketball

922
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: player and what she's supposed to do as a basketball

923
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: player at how your super career is supposed to look

924
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: when you finish, it's Lebron, Jay's bro that's that there.

925
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: That's that there, that man that came. I ain't mad

926
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: at that. You mentioned earlier, uh, not wanting to go

927
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: to the Lakers because of the shot comparison and you

928
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: already started in Orlando and he jumped the Lakers and

929
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: you weren't trying to do that and ends up happening.

930
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: Um hm. You and him kind of had a friendly then.

931
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: I felt like he kind of did some personal and

932
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: kind of took it a little bit more serious and

933
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: again knowing you fun energetic, kind of person. Where is

934
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: that at? What did you think when you first started

935
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: hearing like damn the shock not like me or like what?

936
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: It was crazy? And I was thinking you want to

937
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: fight or something like because every time it was like

938
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: something on TV and somebody to say something, No, I

939
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: don't think though. No, the Lakers got five all of him? No, no, no, no,

940
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: only four, there's nothing one. Don't put him in there. No,

941
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: don't do that something like damn, like every time he

942
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: said something about Dwhite. And for me, like you know,

943
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: I like to do voices so everybody points in their

944
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: mom it don't matter who it is. It ain't me

945
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: doing it because I'm I dislike you. It's just me

946
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: trying to make everybody laughs. So if he took it

947
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: that way, like he tripped, but like, I don't know

948
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: why he it's like that. I never had no issues

949
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: with Shock. I never wanted to be like Shack. But

950
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: I enjoyed watching Shack do what he do. I think

951
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: he's the most dominant player to ever played. Like there's

952
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: no player's dominated his shock. You know what I'm saying, Like,

953
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: I just think it was going crazy. I remember in

954
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: the eleventh grade watching him play against the kim Ba

955
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: Utama on the finals, like catching every time, ailable to

956
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: the chest, turnaround, dunk on every time. I'm like, yo,

957
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: this is crazy. So I'm like, why is he hating

958
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: on me? Like, if anything, he should be happy that

959
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: somebody is trying to follow in their footsteps. You know,

960
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: I remember this summer as a young kid who said

961
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: they wanted to be just like me, and I took

962
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: that as saying like, damn, thank you man. I appreciate

963
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: you for one to be like me, but I want

964
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: you to be greater, so you know what, I'll train you.

965
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: So I started training this kid this song, and every

966
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: day I'm just reminded him, I remember what you said,

967
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: you want to be like Dwight Howard with ship. I

968
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: did more than this, but this is what it This

969
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: is what it takes. So like, I don't know why

970
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: he had that against me. I reached out to trying

971
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: to work out with him, do business, whatever it may be,

972
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: because I ain't got no bad blood with shot, but

973
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: it just seemed like it's always something between me and him.

974
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: He's always even now the stuff I was just saying

975
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: about the all the Fame ship that happened this season,

976
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: I can't watch the Lakers. I bade he watched Lakers

977
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: game this year because I ain't on the team. But

978
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: you know what, I can't. Nobody can't, Nobody shock and

979
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: nobody else, and they ripe mine. If you know anything

980
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: about basketball, it's not even a question if you I agree,

981
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: But come on, like, why would it out of all

982
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: people him like one? He is center? And like, really,

983
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: ain't that too minute where they talk about all of

984
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: us anyway? So why put one of them down? You

985
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, my my life ain't gonna

986
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,479
Speaker 1: dim your life. You should kill O'Neil Like I got

987
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: my own ling. You know what I'm saying, I ain't

988
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: worrying about what you're doing in that aspect. And then

989
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: now I felt like, because I'm not a person that

990
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: get on TV and talk bad about other people, I

991
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: felt like looking at him doing it, is like he's

992
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: not understanding. People got family, and they got friends, and

993
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: they got people that's watching, Yetta watch what you say

994
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: about certain certain people of certain things on TV or whatever,

995
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: because they got people watching. He got kids watching. You

996
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I got my kids watching. They

997
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: don't need to have no issues with each other because

998
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: their dads might seem like they hate each other, like

999
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: for what, Like it's too much going on around the

1000
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: world for us to be hating about who the best

1001
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: basketball big man ever? Like, m it's just stupid to me.

1002
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: You can have Barbershope Barbecue talk about it. Barbie Barbershop talked.

1003
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: But I guess we got to get into the USC

1004
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: thing and fight it out. I don't want to see that.

1005
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: I just saying I ain't gonna do that. We look like,

1006
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: what's the two fighters from back in the day they

1007
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: got dot out three thousand and uh slice and they

1008
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: got in their fault. They looked like two big seals

1009
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: in their fight. They could eat. They were so tired.

1010
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: That's being shack a little like in there, come here

1011
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: the way gonna get you. You know what, I would

1012
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: rather see the fight. I would rather see y'all do

1013
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: a comedy battle. Yeah, yeah, that would be funny, roast

1014
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, I got some jokes for his big

1015
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh go ahead. I've been waiting for

1016
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: some ship like that right now. Hey, hey, check me

1017
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: and you because roll see each other brother, Oh ship,

1018
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know he gonna love it. Don't

1019
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: really want to fight. I know we did. I know

1020
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: he gonna love it. Ship Um fast forwarding your ring season.

1021
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: The world is seems like it's falling apart. They stick

1022
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: you guys in the bubble. Um Kobe passes in that January.

1023
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: Um talked to us just about all that. I mean,

1024
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: it seemed like it had to happen because of Kobe's passing.

1025
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: What was the mental strain that season? Obviously you lost him,

1026
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: season is suspended for a little bit. Then they put

1027
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: you guys in the bubble, isolated from the rest of

1028
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: the world. What was that experience? Like? Oh man, that

1029
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: that was really hard for me because my my son's

1030
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: mom died that summer, so thank you, she died right

1031
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 1: before the bubble happened. So it was just a hard

1032
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: situation to deal with because my son was six at

1033
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: the time, and it's like everything was hitting Kobe had

1034
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: passed away, the season was going pretty good, and then

1035
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: we had this pandemic that the whole world had. You know,

1036
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: it was just crazy how it all happened. We're sitting

1037
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: at home, you know, I'm talking to my kids. Mom's

1038
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: about everyone coming down for the pandemic. So we could

1039
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: see our kids and just be together during that time.

1040
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: And as I was getting ready to contact her about

1041
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: coming down, her mom calls me and tell me that

1042
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: she dies, something like, damn, this is crazy. Then I

1043
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: had to go down to the bubble and leave my

1044
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: son for three months, um and he didn't have nobody else.

1045
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: So in my mind this was it was just I

1046
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: had to find a way to keep it from going

1047
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: crazy without seeing him. So it just made me want

1048
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: to work out harder. I got in the gym when

1049
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: I was there more and I didn't want to do

1050
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: nothing but win that championship to him. I wanted him

1051
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: to just see that. I felt like that was gonna

1052
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: give him enough inspiration to kind of not I was

1053
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: put that moment, not put it away, but kind of

1054
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: at least make him feel good because that whole yeah,

1055
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: because that whole summer he was just asking me like

1056
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: why do people die, Like you know, why does my

1057
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: mom have to leave me? And all these questions he

1058
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: asked me. I'm like, man, I really care. I don't know.

1059
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: And then like for me, that was the first time

1060
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: I actually had a child in my house full time

1061
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: because the rest of my kids it with their moms.

1062
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: So it was just all these new things happening. Daddy

1063
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: on the fly. Yeah, it was just crazy. But I'm

1064
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: glad that Um, he's in a much better space now mentally,

1065
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: um and I am too because of that. It's made

1066
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: both of us strong. But obviously you endured more than most,

1067
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: but still have to play in the bubble, like what

1068
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: was it? What was the bubble light? Was it cool?

1069
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: Get tired of seeing motherfucker's every day? Like, what was

1070
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: the bubble light? At first, we was getting the worst

1071
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: food in our lives, like they was feeding us like

1072
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: the frozen kids cuisine meals like type meals. They just

1073
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: put it under the heater. So I was like, man,

1074
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: they gotta do better with the food. We couldn't get

1075
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: really no room service, so we were stuck with this

1076
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: for like a couple of weeks. We couldn't leave the hotel.

1077
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: We couldn't explore nothing at Disney World, so we just

1078
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: stuck there at this hotel. Everybody catching the same fish

1079
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: in the lake because it was it's a little lake,

1080
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, everybody got a fish in the one lake.

1081
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: So you see people catching fishing throwing it back. But

1082
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: realized one by the time, we don't left the whole bubble.

1083
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: That fish was fat in the mug, you know, everybody

1084
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: bit so um. Just being in there, in that confined spot.

1085
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's just crazy. But in all actuality, ninety

1086
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: days in the bubble really helped change and shape my

1087
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: life because I got a chance to get away from

1088
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: everything and see who was right for me, who wasn't right,

1089
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: the people that I needed to have in my corner,

1090
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: to people that no longer needed to go on this

1091
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: journey with me. All those things happened because I was

1092
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: able to get away and see clearly. You know a

1093
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: lot of times as players, we are in city, the

1094
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: city of the city while this is happening. Somebody's at

1095
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: home doing things and we can't really see it. So

1096
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times we get distracted. But you're in

1097
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: the bubble. Everything's happening right there, So now I can

1098
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: see what's going on. Now those same people that say

1099
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: they love me and they want this, then the third

1100
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: they're not calling, they're not doing this, then so I know, okay,

1101
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: they need to go. So I really just learned more

1102
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: about myself and about the people around my teammates, and

1103
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: that whole atmosphere was pretty cool. And then the playoffs.

1104
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: That's when I turned up in the bubble, like we

1105
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: was playing Denver and he was playing your ass off.

1106
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: There was any to me how they don't come up,

1107
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: but go ahead, man, Yeah. So we played at Denver

1108
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: and Denver's mile room is across some mars in the hotel,

1109
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: so I'm using this as a mental like way to

1110
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: mess with jokers the whole time. I'm going in there

1111
01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: dinner room talking to him, just daft from up and

1112
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: we just played him or something, so i know he's

1113
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: mad I'm going in there, but it's just like all

1114
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: of my game and I'm like, man, this it was

1115
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: really fun being able to see all of us together

1116
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: like that. But it was it was It was good

1117
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: for me. I'm glad that I end up doing being

1118
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: a part of it. The Redeemed Team documentary about to

1119
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: come out and talk about that in Any Memories, Any

1120
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: Good Stories, the story that everybody's been talking about Kobe

1121
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: running through pal I don't know if y'all heard about that.

1122
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: I just remember how crazy that was and the whole

1123
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: experience of playing an olympus with all these guys. Kobe

1124
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: Bryant Mellow, d Wade, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Darren Williams,

1125
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: Chris Bosh, Michael read all these greats. Man. Then we're

1126
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: playing in Beijing and here's Kobe come before the game, like, yo,

1127
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look show teammate, watch watch this. I'm gonna

1128
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: run through his ass. So he said the white move

1129
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: out the way, first player the game. You see it

1130
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: on film. Pal tried to set the screen. I just

1131
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: moved out of the way. Kobe running over and just

1132
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: look over and walk away. Man, he ran him smooth over.

1133
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: Didn't care if he got thrown out the game or not.

1134
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: But he set the tone after that. And you know

1135
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It was just crazy being in the

1136
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: Olympics and then watching that whole that that movie, just

1137
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: going back and have you seen it. I just seen

1138
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: it for the first time the other day, and I'm like, man,

1139
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: people are gonna really enjoy the stories about you know, Kobe, Lebron,

1140
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: d Wade, Um, just the atmosphere of being in China,

1141
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: Like you guys will get a chance to see how

1142
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: it was for us trying to even go down the

1143
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: street with Kobe. You know how crazy it was, and

1144
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So it's gonna be really good that

1145
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: team versus the Dream Team. You know, I gotta say

1146
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna win. But you know they got some great

1147
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: players too. I think it would be a great matchup

1148
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: Kobe versus m j um. But then you got Lebron.

1149
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: Who's gonna play? Who gonna check Lebron? Scotty gonna check Lebron.

1150
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: Back then when we was oh my god, that's what

1151
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: I was touching the top of the backboard, were blocking everything.

1152
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody coming to me. I got a chance to

1153
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: play with a lot of great players. I tell you, Bro,

1154
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: just to just hats off to you. Like I never

1155
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: felt more comfortable, like getting all the way in somebody's chest,

1156
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, when he was behind me, you know what

1157
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Like the white was someone's gonna block the

1158
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: shop or he'll faither ship at you one I was

1159
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna fileu you too. So it's just like, Okay, we

1160
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: definitely have a little mental thing here, but it was.

1161
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: That's what kind of bothers me though, is because you've

1162
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: taken so much to me. You were on pace to

1163
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: be one of the greatest. You explained what happened with

1164
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: the back and everything. Obviously that derailed you from kind

1165
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: of continuing to climb, but you still no about first

1166
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: beut Hall of Famer. But to me, you were someone

1167
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: who was so great. But then I think how fast

1168
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: people forget Obviously we live in a moment of what

1169
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: have you done for me lately? But how fucking great

1170
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: you were in that run? Man, three time Defensive Player

1171
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: of the Year back to back like that, I should

1172
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: have had four And the only reason they didn't give

1173
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: it to is because I asked for a trade. How

1174
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: crazy is that? I was first Team All Defense that year?

1175
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: The person who won who won the third Team All Defense?

1176
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: Make it makes sense? Who wanted that year? Tyson Chandler.

1177
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: I led the team. I led the league in defensive

1178
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: rebounds and total rebounds and blocks, and he got the

1179
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: award and they only gave it to him because I

1180
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: asked for a trade. At all the media, who's going

1181
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: around it was the year I asked for the trade.

1182
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: So it was eleven and twelve, right, Yeah, well, well

1183
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: he was in Dallas, he was in New York, New

1184
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: York Knicks. Yeah yeah, New York, and he was third

1185
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: team All Defense and nobody on that team you ever

1186
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: won award. It's no way you'd be third team All

1187
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: Defense and when the Defensive Player of the Year a ward,

1188
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: it don't make sense. That's why it was like, they

1189
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: gotta go back and look at the tape, go back

1190
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: and look at the tape. That crazy. I just I

1191
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: just saw the team picture um for the Knicks with

1192
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: the new seat this Barrett Brunson and uh round and

1193
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: uh und round. And as much as I love bad man,

1194
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: you should have seen that picture. You just that ship

1195
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: just looked like they can the lose. You don't even

1196
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: like the picture, don't And I just so happen to

1197
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: see them like that photoshop saying all comments and complains

1198
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: to this. Now, No, I'm not y'all know ya don't

1199
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: win the ship. NBA champ, eight time All Star, eight

1200
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: time All NBA, three time Defensive Player of the Year

1201
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: should have been for the list goes on. You were

1202
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: somehow left on the top off the top lists. We

1203
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: went crazy too. How much did that bother you? Man?

1204
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: It bothered me so much. I was like, man, I

1205
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: don't even want to play basketball, and I really like

1206
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: just I really was just like understandable, but I was like, man,

1207
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: fuck it. I don't even really want to play because

1208
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,839
Speaker 1: it's like, at the all this workout and putting in, indeed,

1209
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: the disrespect is already too much. Like the one thing

1210
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about is I helped win a help

1211
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: a team win a championship. Like and I'm and I'm

1212
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 1: not cocky at all, but I know if I didn't

1213
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: play against Denver and I wasn't on that team in

1214
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: the bubble, we would not have won the championship. And

1215
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm not being cocky. I'm not that type of person

1216
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: at all. So I know that my presence was felt

1217
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: in that series. But to not get a contract after that,

1218
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: then you go to another team and get another minimum contract,

1219
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: and then the team that you won the championship with,

1220
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to sign you to a multiple I'm like, man,

1221
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: this is disrespectful. And then look on TV and not

1222
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: on the top SETI five when I knew. I knew

1223
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be on it when the list got

1224
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: down to ten people, and I was like, yeah, when

1225
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: I saw the people that wasn't on it, I said,

1226
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: you know what they finded they find to do me dirty.

1227
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: I already know it. They're gonna do me dirty. So

1228
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: when it happened, I was like, man, I don't even

1229
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: want to play this ship. That's being cool and I'm like,

1230
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: for real, like, and I just started naming players that

1231
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: was on there and there's no disrespect to them in

1232
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: their careers and I hate that I did. Anybody else

1233
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: can do it, but I just kept I was thinking

1234
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: in my head like there's no way that this person

1235
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: could even stand on the court with me like this.

1236
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: She just blew my mind. But then I was like,

1237
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: you know what I know Ian did in my career.

1238
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: I know who I am, and fuck it, I'm not

1239
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: gonna let that ship stop. You know, the motherfucker's vote

1240
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:38,560
Speaker 1: for that ship, shack, that's why the less But he said, no,

1241
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking them. You know that thejard of the motherfucker

1242
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 1: is that both for that ship though that never played basketball. Man,

1243
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to put in the basketball right.

1244
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: You're right, you know what I'm saying. That ship does

1245
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: not matter. But then again, you Kyrie Vince, like that's

1246
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: how you know that ship that don't even make sense back? Like,

1247
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: come on, like it was it was some people that

1248
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: you've never seen in your life and never even known

1249
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: they played basketball and then this all right, So I

1250
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: just got a name, one person name Danny Shades, dol Shame.

1251
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: It's no way he was, No way he was. I'm sorry,

1252
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: no way, this ship go ahead and stay. I would

1253
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: have bust his ass for real, sucking dol Shades. Are

1254
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: you kidding? One dog we like and that's young dog?

1255
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: Who is dog? Who is he? What does he look like? What?

1256
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Don't even know? It's his number? Anybody know? Right? Thank you?

1257
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: We know he was top? No he wasn't. They just

1258
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: put his ass in there. He would have got cooked,

1259
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: like like Adrian Browner. He would have got cooked. Go

1260
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: back to the Houston things. It's the whole. It's some

1261
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: mother motherfucker's on there too. I just can't think right now.

1262
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: But that was one that was one name. Mother motherfucker's. Yeah,

1263
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 1: that's how much you sorry, motherfucker that don't belong with

1264
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: that mother sati fires. I'm gonna keep it, funkers. I'm

1265
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: a bast I played the game, and I love the game.

1266
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: It's a lot of y'all that's on that that should

1267
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: not be on that, bro, especially before this man Vince

1268
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: Carter and Kyrie Irvin. I'm sorry and Clay and Clay,

1269
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: But I'm glad Clay did what he did. I'm glad

1270
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: that he was afforded the opportunity to go show people

1271
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: why he deserved it be on the top SETI five.

1272
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: So that was good about his situation is that he

1273
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: got a chance. Even if they did to put him

1274
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: on there. He had the knee surgery that stopped him.

1275
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: He was able to get back and then he killed

1276
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: it in the he killed it in the playoffs. Man,

1277
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: three years in Houston, you get a chance to play

1278
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: with James Harden, Who's who, Who's ascending to another level

1279
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: at that time? What was that experience like? You got

1280
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: a chance to play with Code, you played with Brown,

1281
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: But thinking back playing with James in that moment, he

1282
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: was I mean, they had to change the rules for

1283
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 1: this motherfucker. What was it like playing with James in Houston?

1284
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: We used to call James Fred Flints though he used

1285
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: to do down the little step backs and the little

1286
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 1: tippy toes, So he used to call him Fred Flintstowe.

1287
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: And I just remember watching him developed that step back

1288
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: and the side step and all the moves every day

1289
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: or practice to where now he's perfected it, and Uh,

1290
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 1: he was the reason why I decided to go to Houston.

1291
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Um, playing with Kobe. Uh,

1292
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: I feel like he didn't work out like I wanted,

1293
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: but I felt like it was a great situation in Houston,

1294
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: like yourself. Then getting to Houston I wanted. When I

1295
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: got to Houston, I felt like I had got my

1296
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: strength back. I felt like I was a lot better

1297
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: mentally and physically. And then I'm looking at a young

1298
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: James Harder, who I'm saying, Man, this man got a

1299
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: chance to be one of the best shooting guards. He

1300
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: just need a He need like a a running made.

1301
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: He needs somebody to play off of him. So I'm

1302
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: thinking that that's what me and was gonna be. Um.

1303
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: The first year it was okay. Then we got to

1304
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: the to the finals, the Western Conference finals one year,

1305
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: and just playing with him, it was just crazy just

1306
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: watching his development. Um, Like I said, the step backs,

1307
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: the threes, the the euro steps, all that stuff. Just

1308
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: watching him just take that. Man, he worked on that

1309
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: every day, especially at three ball. That's why he shoots

1310
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,839
Speaker 1: so good. Man. It was just it's just effortless for him. Um.

1311
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: He believe he lost a hundred pounds a cap. I

1312
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: think it was. I don't think he lost a huntress.

1313
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: There's no way he could have lost a hundred pounds

1314
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: because there's no way he was three hundred pounds. It

1315
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: wasn't that big one. And I think he probably did

1316
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 1: lose some weight. Uh, but I think the weight was

1317
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: kind of good for him and how he played um

1318
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 1: getting to the basket, being able to post up. Always

1319
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: thought that's some of the things that Kobe was doing

1320
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: he could have used in his game. So going there,

1321
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of help him with that, Like uh,

1322
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: Kobe's uh post post work. I felt like if he

1323
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: had really developed that, if he can do that and

1324
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: he get into the game that I think just getting

1325
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 1: in that post, because that's what Jordan did. He slowed

1326
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: it down and started going to the post. He didn't

1327
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: just he didn't shoot a lot of threes. But then

1328
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 1: Kobe started doing that too. Or you know, you played

1329
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: against coach both of y'all. He got to his spot

1330
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: and just shot over him. And I'm like James, with

1331
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: the guards he will be playing against, He's strong enough

1332
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: to where he can get to his spot. And then

1333
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: they got indeed, so what you're gonna do. You gotta

1334
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: pick your poison. So I think hopefully now he really

1335
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: put it all together and they have a good run,

1336
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: stated Big Bent. Right now, it's it's it for a second,

1337
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: look like it might have almost faded out of the

1338
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: NBA um the emergence of Joker, then bed Um of late.

1339
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: I think it's different. I think when I came into

1340
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: the league, they wouldn't allowing big men to do what

1341
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: they're doing now. Greek Freak force them. No, it's after him.

1342
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: Greek Freak is different from he told about the state

1343
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: today though. You know you're talking about like center center

1344
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: big Yeah, he's different. Like so he's not consenters not

1345
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: because he never played the center. He always played like

1346
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: what you mean, Like, but I'm saying like they did

1347
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: to have to beat in the post all the time,

1348
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: all the time. I never had a chance to stand

1349
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: out on a perimeter. That's it. But my job like

1350
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: stand never wanted me to shoot a jump shode. Even

1351
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: if I shot a jump shide, he would go tell

1352
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: a pat tell the white did not work on jump shots?

1353
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: Why just hook shots? Don't can get out of here?

1354
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: Fuck ship. And so like I'm working on jump shots,

1355
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: but stands like, no funk that hook shots, ducks get

1356
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: in the posts. We're gonna turn five your ass deep

1357
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: duck ins and go right over the top. But now

1358
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: it's not like that. They want space, you know what

1359
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So even with how big supposed to play now,

1360
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: we used to. We used to be looking for bodies

1361
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: to go fine back in the day, like if I'm

1362
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: running down the court, I'm looking to hit you if

1363
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm running to see But now it's like, no, no space,

1364
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: get wide trail to play, catch it and get into

1365
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: an action and do something different, you know what I'm saying.

1366
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: So they've got in your bag a little more in

1367
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: this era. What's crazy about it? I was in a

1368
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: bag before I got to the league, and when I

1369
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: got to the league, it was like no more, no

1370
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: more of this. We don't want you to dribble, we

1371
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: don't want you to shoot, we don't want you to

1372
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: do nothing but dunk the ball. It worked out good.

1373
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: I got the most in the history of basketball. Postle

1374
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: Park was getting it off the rim, and he was

1375
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: all that was perk Well. I remember playing against perk

1376
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: Um because Lebron came down to Houston the Soldiers and

1377
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:23,440
Speaker 1: Park was on their team. It was Lebron perk Um,

1378
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: what's the guy played in Boston from Oakland? Uh no, Um,

1379
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: he heard himself. He was on the team. I saw

1380
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: all that was on the team. This was when he

1381
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: was fifteen, was playing against the brun and they was sixteen.

1382
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: Its first time I heard Lebron and it was Kender Perkins.

1383
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: That was the one that stood out. Wh who stood

1384
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: out the most to you on the other team that game?

1385
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: Besides the It was a brother. I didn't know who

1386
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: he was because, like I mean, I stayed in a

1387
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,560
Speaker 1: bubble for real, Like I was really bubble boy. So

1388
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: when I started playing a you remember my home was

1389
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: saying y'all need to go play against Lebron. I was like,

1390
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: who then is the Broun? He was like, you don't

1391
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: know Lebron. I was like, bro, who is Lebron? Dog?

1392
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't know nobody, he said, Bro. The think it

1393
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the coldest ever. Bro already hedn't

1394
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: even went to the league. And I'm like you line,

1395
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: So we're getting down to Houston, walmup's come, I'm looking

1396
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: to see who Lebron was first warmup line. Don't he

1397
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: do his little signature? Dude, the whole crowd go crazy.

1398
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: My whole team looking down there. Damn you see that.

1399
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: I said, that's le Bron James, Okay, and after that

1400
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: I knew who Lebrons ain't was. That's crazy. H Bernie

1401
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: Man talked to us about Oh my god, how do

1402
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: you hear about that? I mean, I hear about ship.

1403
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,759
Speaker 1: That's the best experience in the way I think everybody.

1404
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: I was there for six days. I think everybody in

1405
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: the world needs to experience it, only just to see

1406
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: that we could all come together in peace and live

1407
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: in the same environment. In the desert. There's ninety thousand people.

1408
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: You just like, I'll like the depth. He just talk.

1409
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: Now he's back in the desert. Start doing it, my boy, man, No,

1410
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: no lie though, for real. Burning Man was amazed and

1411
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: dog just to see all these people come together and

1412
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: celebrate life. No arguing, no fighting, great music, all good vibes. Man.

1413
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: It was just the best time I had. There's no

1414
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: money in there, so you don't pay nothing with cash.

1415
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: Barter and you barter some bartering systems, so no matter

1416
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 1: what your title is, like your old tights from Orlando

1417
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: and ship like, no, man, get out of here. Who

1418
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: I gave somebody a crystal? But really, since it was

1419
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: my first time, people are just giving me gifts a

1420
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: really okay, and a lot of people are just coming

1421
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: at me talking to me like some people didn't even

1422
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: know who I was. From Adam. I remember one day

1423
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: I was in this this tent getting some fruit and vegetables,

1424
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: eating and just vibing out to some music and this

1425
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: guy came and he was like, dude, you're a big

1426
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: bag motherfucker. Man. I don't know who you are, but

1427
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: funk man, I feel your energy. Oh my god. And

1428
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're straight. He're like, yeah, man, it's just dude. Man.

1429
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't know you man, but I love you. Dude. Man,

1430
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you that, man. And you're

1431
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: a big bad motherfucker dude. Fuck yeah, no clue who

1432
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: I was. I like, is just everybody coming together, no

1433
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: matter who you are, no matter what you like, just

1434
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: be yourself and these people that are just accept you.

1435
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: It is like a whole week and a half of

1436
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: just celebrating life in this big old desert. You get

1437
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: to dress how you want to dress, if you don't

1438
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: want to wear clothes. You ain't got to wear clothes.

1439
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: If you do want to wear clothes, it's kind of

1440
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: like mad Max vibes. Y'all ain't Mad Max something like that,

1441
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 1: and just listen to a whole bunch of good music.

1442
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: Eat good. They have like meditation sessions. Um. They have

1443
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: this big burning man in the middle that they burned

1444
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: on a second to last day. And they have this

1445
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: temple where everybody coming they meditate in they write and

1446
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: write notes to pass loved ones and stuff like that. Um,

1447
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: they do ceremonies in there. They do art all around.

1448
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: They have these big art trolleys with lights and stuff.

1449
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: It's people. They are all ages. The oldest person that

1450
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: we saw there was ninety eight. The youngest person was

1451
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: probably what about five six months, so as kids there too.

1452
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: It's not just adults. When people have here about it

1453
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 1: in the past, they think it's just some type of

1454
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: big sex party, and that's what people are telling me.

1455
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: But when I went, I was like, man, there's so

1456
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: much more. And you can see how we could actually

1457
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: come together without fighting with art, without arguing that people

1458
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: can drink and have a good time and and and

1459
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: it don't be nothing crazy, you know what I'm saying,

1460
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: And just to experience that. It was the best place

1461
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: that I've been, you know. So this summer was wild, man.

1462
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: I started out in India. I went to some really

1463
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: cool places out there in India, went to go see

1464
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: the taj Mahal. I went to this place called our Nasi.

1465
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys heard of that, but

1466
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: it's this place where, uh, they have this fire that's

1467
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: been burning for over three hundred years and that's what

1468
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: they burned everyone's body in his fire when they died,

1469
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: and then they put it in this magic river. And

1470
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: every night everybody in this city come to this one

1471
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: spot and they pray for the whole world. They pray

1472
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 1: for peace for the whole world. It was just crazy

1473
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: to see that. And what to Egypt saw the pyramids?

1474
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 1: So how massive these y'all seen the pyramids? Not lying,

1475
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: I think people need to travel, like that's one thing.

1476
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm just seeing the world. Just these pyramids is so

1477
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,600
Speaker 1: crazy to see in person. I guess I love the

1478
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: desert my dehydrated all right, man, coming down to the end,

1479
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: quick hitters. First thing to come to your mind an

1480
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: all time starting five including yourself with guys. You played

1481
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: with guys, don't even get your hopes up. Go ahead, bro, Yeah,

1482
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: I just look like you want to say Nope, not

1483
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: that about to say anybody you played with? Oh my god,

1484
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: So okay, I got Kobe Bros. Kobe Bro and me.

1485
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Day Now you got to get somebody else

1486
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: to make it fair. You've got to do that. That's

1487
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot like there. He played for James. Yes, I

1488
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: gotta have vents. Oh BC, I gotta have vents, and

1489
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: oh we we need a four man. And I was

1490
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: thinking about sweet little I was gonna say Tony but TV,

1491
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: but that's just sweet little man. But it's I had

1492
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 1: so many great teammates man, Like that's one thing about

1493
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: the league man, playing with so many guys. Like my

1494
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: teammates stayed with like family to me. You know, you

1495
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: played on my team. He was always together, always at

1496
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 1: each other house, the house on every team though. He

1497
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: brought every team together like that. Yeah, we were together.

1498
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: That's all we did. He was always together. I had

1499
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: big ass shoes too. I was wearing them ship all

1500
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: the time. You cannot separate all of us like that

1501
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,759
Speaker 1: was just you know how he was my little homie.

1502
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 1: I'll be trying to tell people about stories about Jason Williams.

1503
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: Bubbs white white chocolate. Oh man, I'm the one when

1504
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: he threw behind the back pass and hit Standing in

1505
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: the stomach when he was talking about standing. What do

1506
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: you remember that day? And Staying got mad, keep them out,

1507
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: kicked them out of them out of practice, and Jason

1508
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: Williams stories that one right there when Standing, Yeah, he

1509
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: was kind of stand stand win playing. So he said,

1510
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't gonna go play at the y. He was

1511
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: going to play at the y, and so Stan was

1512
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: telling him, like, yo, stop doing that. He was already

1513
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: got my rings, Bubbs, go get yours, and I'm out.

1514
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: He said, my ships underneath my sink and bro he

1515
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: threw a cross court, not a full court, cross court,

1516
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 1: behind the back pass and hit Staying right in the stomach.

1517
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: And you know, Staying got a big gass billy. So

1518
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: that ship I had had a target on it, like

1519
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: it was crazy. I was like, yo, and Stam was

1520
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: crazy too, But I love Staying. He would do crazy

1521
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: stuff like called me in the office and talked to

1522
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: me with his shoes off and his little feet. You

1523
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: weren't like a side seven like little baby ass feeding

1524
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: it between with his little toes. Well, you know, Dwight,

1525
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: I need you to rebound more. I'm like coach, I

1526
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: got what but sucking staying? Yeah that it was crazy?

1527
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Underrated city our country you've been to, the

1528
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: greatest city our country. Underrated city A country you've been to.

1529
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's tough. Um, Charlotte, I think it's underrated.

1530
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: I like Charlotte from playing there. Um, it's really underrated.

1531
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: It's a lot of things you could get into and

1532
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 1: Charlotte and you get all four seasons. The greatest city,

1533
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: the greatest city. Oh, I gotta go with Atlanta. I'm

1534
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: from Atlanta. Um. But every city that you know, I

1535
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: like to travel. So every city that we played in

1536
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: I really like I go out and try to find

1537
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: some cool things about it during the off season. Uh,

1538
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: Australia is one of my favorite places. Uh, India, obviously, Africa,

1539
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 1: Egypt after going this summer, Like I said, just that's

1540
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:39,440
Speaker 1: one place like Egypt is crazy. Like the vibe, everybody's

1541
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: out having a great time to music. Ryan and Campbell's

1542
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: sitting the pyrad Is. It's unbelievable. Dream Music Festival who

1543
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: would open that and who would close it for you?

1544
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 1: We who would open my dream music festival? Oh we

1545
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: that's tough. Uh okay, I gotta have. I gotta have

1546
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Little Wayne and Drake opened it. Little Wayne and Drake

1547
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: a birthday. He came and coach your game one time? Right?

1548
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: Or was he just that was the game we had

1549
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: in um him and Floyd came and come. But okay,

1550
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: we got Drake and we got Little Wayne started. Then

1551
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Gonna and Thud. They're gonna come and

1552
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: do their thing in the middle. In the middle, they

1553
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: don't come in real quick, real quick, come in, do

1554
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: that little show all while I say, all the men

1555
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: won't come out. And then we gotta have y'all nuty

1556
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 1: a town guy all Atlanta gotta wrap and we gotta

1557
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: close it with the Wizard Man Future Pluto. Gotta close

1558
01:29:56,360 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: it the future. That's my twin right now, y'all do

1559
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: look like no, you just means they have a lot

1560
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: of babies. Man, I have to stop. I got seven.

1561
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: I cain't talked. You got seven? Yes, my eight baby

1562
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: moms and the bonus daughter. You got eight baby mamas? No, no, no, no.

1563
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: Top five centers of all time, all time stage average eighteen. Okay,

1564
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: that's solid. We had what nineteen nineteen k for real

1565
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: for the career? Solid he put up an and what

1566
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: what year he played. I'm bettering domn than everybody that

1567
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: played back then. Put your money on it. I've put

1568
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: money on that today. I was cooking too now. Top five.

1569
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: I've seen your highlights the other day. You post that

1570
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kee getting one right now, and then because

1571
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you have that h P muster that we're right there

1572
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: California Highway Patrol mustache and had no other facial hips.

1573
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: Let me see. Yeah, gotta start shoot with Chamberlin, Shack

1574
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Kareem the Dream and me. I'm putting myself to your mother,

1575
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm in the top five. Nobody got the same in

1576
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: the top five. You can say I'm not taught Sandy five,

1577
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna put myself. They can't say that. If

1578
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: you can see one guest on all the smoke, who

1579
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: would it be? One guest on all the smoke? Whould

1580
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: I want to see on here? Oh? Shoot shatman over here.

1581
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: You'll know I'm wrong Burgundy, So y'all don't put that

1582
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: shaman and I stopped right there. Who who? Who? Who? Who?

1583
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: Cheat me out of my question? Um put the whole

1584
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: thing still, lady, she just did a movie. Sports don't matter.

1585
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: We versatile now yeah, man, that's tough future. Thank you

1586
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 1: the Wizard. Yeah, they said they was actually working on them.

1587
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: This trip end up getting them the White Man. We

1588
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: wanted to thank you. We're big on give him flowers

1589
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: on this show. We you know, I mean, I've always

1590
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: been a brother of yours, but really more just a fan.

1591
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: And let you know, man, how great your career has been.

1592
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: No matter what fucking list you're on and not, you're

1593
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: one of the greatest to ever do it, man, and

1594
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 1: we really appreciate you. Appreciate that, man, Thank you. Man

1595
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: he got We got a little a box for you. Bro.

1596
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Showtime March. Where can they getting you? Remember it's been

1597
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: a minute. Uh No, I don't Showtime dot store. Yeah

1598
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: that's it. That's where you get it from. But bro,

1599
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: we now we appreciate you coming. We've got some guilt

1600
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: from for you. I know you're gonna like it. I

1601
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: don't know what collection this is, because we have a

1602
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: couple of collections, you know what I'm saying, But thank

1603
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: you appreciate you. Can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube

1604
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: and the I Heart platform. Black effects Man, we appreciate you.

1605
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: And that's a rap. Briget your show, I appreciate you.