WEBVTT - RAW Reports/Dynamite Lineup/Ring of Honor Update

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. Ready, Ready,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Albarez

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<v Speaker 1>here on or Wrestling m Overlive. We are here every

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<v Speaker 1>day Monday through Friday, a New Pacific three Stern, Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>three Pacific, sixth Eastern. We have a lot to get

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<v Speaker 1>into here today because it is Tuesday, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>that means RAW was last night, the go home show

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<v Speaker 1>for Survivor series may go down in history. Is the

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<v Speaker 1>most nothing happening go home show I ever saw. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about it here. We'll get the ratings tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear by predict that this third hour is going

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<v Speaker 1>to die, the death of all deaths might even be

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<v Speaker 1>a record because it is. We're in daylight savings time now,

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<v Speaker 1>which means the third hour usually does a bad number,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the third hour of this show today horrific number.

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<v Speaker 1>As usual. They advertised one match and they didn't deliver

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<v Speaker 1>the one match they advertised, and the main event was

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Mystereo and Bobby Lashley literally with nothing announced on

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<v Speaker 1>the line, although it turned out that because Ray lost.

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<v Speaker 1>He got removed from the Survivor Series team thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a the last hour of Raw, from ten

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<v Speaker 1>thirty to eleven, there was an eleven minute wrestling match

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing else, I mean commercials, entrances, video packages, commercials,

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<v Speaker 1>eleven minutes of anything of value in the last thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of the show. So it will die. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that tomorrow. We have the lineup for Survivor Series,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the matches. They just randomly announced all the

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<v Speaker 1>champion versus champion matches because the feeling is that, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's gonna happen, so we don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>promote or anything like that. We'll just announce on online

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<v Speaker 1>all of these matches we're going to have. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Raw here today we'll talk about Survivor Series.

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<v Speaker 1>We have also got the Wednesday Dynamite lineup. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>six segments announced for the show. This is the fallout

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<v Speaker 1>to Full Gear. We've got the line up so far

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<v Speaker 1>for a Ring of Honor, which is the end of

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<v Speaker 1>an Era, Final Battle, the end of an Era for

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<v Speaker 1>Ring of Honor. Updates on Kenny Omega, New Japan, strong

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<v Speaker 1>Smecked and rampage ratings and some exciting news after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Stick around Wrestling Observer Live. Back in the show. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike simper Viv also of

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling Observer dot com. In quantity minutes eighteen minutes from now.

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<v Speaker 1>It is time for our annual Whale Scouts fundraiser, in

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<v Speaker 1>which I offer many things at auction to help raise

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<v Speaker 1>funds for Whale Scout. It's my wife's nonprofit five oh

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<v Speaker 1>one c three. The money goes towards habitat restoration. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times. There's a golf course down in in

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<v Speaker 1>bothela former it's the former Wayne Golf Course. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>they call it right now. They haven't got a new

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<v Speaker 1>name for it yet. It's just former Wayne Golf Course

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<v Speaker 1>and it was purchased by the city and it's being

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<v Speaker 1>turned into a park. And so there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>work that needs to be involved and Whale Scout is

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<v Speaker 1>helping with that. Habitat restoration helps the salmon salmon, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know people eat salmon, Whales eat salmon. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of hard work that goes into

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, and Whale Scouts helping out all around

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<v Speaker 1>the community. And so we raise funds every year for

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<v Speaker 1>Whale Scout and uh, you can write it off one

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<v Speaker 1>C three and all of your all of your donations

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<v Speaker 1>go towards tools, plants, mulch, all that other stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you do when you work outside. Not my forte, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear there's a lot of stuff you need when

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<v Speaker 1>you work outside. So what we're doing here for the

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<v Speaker 1>the auction is I've got five things that I will

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<v Speaker 1>be auctioning off this year, and four of them are

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<v Speaker 1>guest host spots on The Brian and Vinnie Show. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>this week we're finally getting the final two guest hosts

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<v Speaker 1>from last year to do their shows. So tonight Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Ruiz will be joining us to review full gear with

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<v Speaker 1>Videan Craig as well as the Granny segment, and on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Sharp will be joining us to talk a W

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<v Speaker 1>and n x T. You can you can join the

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<v Speaker 1>show via phone. You can join the show via Skype,

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<v Speaker 1>audio and video. I can even probably make zoom work

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what you have available. But you get to

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<v Speaker 1>co host with us if you would like to make

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<v Speaker 1>a suggestion for what we review. I will consider strongly

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<v Speaker 1>the suggestion, but I can't guarantee. I can't guarantee anything.

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<v Speaker 1>We won't be watching the room. If someone offers a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars for a guest host spot, I will

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<v Speaker 1>consider the room. Other than that, it's probably not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, the first auction will begin at three thirty

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern and I'll put a link up on my Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>at Brian Alvarez, and if you would like to co host,

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<v Speaker 1>make your bid and we'll see how it goes. There

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<v Speaker 1>will be four so if you don't get the first one,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be three other options you can cash in,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak, your briefcase at any time on any

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<v Speaker 1>Brian and Vinny show between now and in the end

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<v Speaker 1>of two And we do have one guest host that

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<v Speaker 1>because of circumstances, they could not cash in this year.

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<v Speaker 1>But even though I say you have to cash in

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<v Speaker 1>within a year, we'll pull some strings and whenever this

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<v Speaker 1>person is is ready to cash in, we'll let him

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<v Speaker 1>cash in. So basically, you're your cash in will never expire,

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<v Speaker 1>although we like to say a year and then also

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<v Speaker 1>coming up very soon at some point today and I

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<v Speaker 1>will tweet out the link to this as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>have got a w w E shop replica w w

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<v Speaker 1>E Intercontinental Championship Belt that will be signed by myself,

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<v Speaker 1>Vince very high and yes, Granny will also be signing

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<v Speaker 1>this belt. It is a one of a kind. Myself,

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<v Speaker 1>Vinnie and Granny all signing this w w E Replica

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<v Speaker 1>Intercontinental Championship belt. That one's gonna go up on on

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<v Speaker 1>eBay later today as well. So when I get the links,

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<v Speaker 1>I will give the links to you. And the way

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<v Speaker 1>we go, I'm gonna start charging Mike to co host.

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<v Speaker 1>All proceeds will go to whale Scout Mike. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is valuable real estate now, not just any bloke can

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<v Speaker 1>do this. Do the p We'll have to pay this

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<v Speaker 1>fee or do I have to pay it? We need?

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<v Speaker 1>They have to Who are you talking about? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about charging to to have me on this show?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you charging me? Or are you charging the listeners

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<v Speaker 1>to have me on the show? Well, and and if

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<v Speaker 1>the listeners want a co host, they they will pay

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the show. If you want a co host,

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't got paid in your own pocket, buddy. When

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<v Speaker 1>we start laying down the law, here. Well, it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like you got a nice solo. I don't do nothing

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<v Speaker 1>for free. You enjoy your future endeavors there. How much

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<v Speaker 1>would someone have to pay for you to slap on

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<v Speaker 1>the whale outfit and wear that for an entire episode? Bro,

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<v Speaker 1>I I put that on the on the auction? Uh

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<v Speaker 1>do the show is? Uh? Is? Uh? What's his name?

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<v Speaker 1>Oreo the Orca? Are you going to limit the times

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody can cash that one in? Because I know

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<v Speaker 1>how warm that thing is the debt of summer? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you willing to wear that thing in the studio? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I I'd certainly think about it. I'll think about

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<v Speaker 1>that when Mike. If there's if there's a demand to

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<v Speaker 1>see me do this show dressed as Oreo the Orca,

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<v Speaker 1>I will. I will say if we reach X amount

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars, I will do a show in the costume. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair, it ain't gonna be cheap because that

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<v Speaker 1>costume is so hot. There's a chance that I would

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<v Speaker 1>die doing the show in the outfit. So we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But I was the costume named Orca? When

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<v Speaker 1>you got it? Or did the kids name it? Orca?

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<v Speaker 1>Did your significant how did it well? Naming Oreo the orca.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife came up with it. And in fact, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a a shoot orca named Oreo, and the shoot

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<v Speaker 1>orca named Oreo does have two children. Uh one of

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<v Speaker 1>them is double stuffed, and I forget the other one

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<v Speaker 1>when two children inside of it? Did it eat two children?

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<v Speaker 1>Shiminey Christmas? What do you think these are animals? Let's talk. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, one of the things before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the news, Lance Storm is just volunteered that if

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to, uh, to do the auction and

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<v Speaker 1>instead of doing the Brianan Vinny show, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do the Brianan Lance show. He's down for that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>How much to get Lance in the Oreo the Orc outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's enough money for that, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go talk to my wife right now after the next

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<v Speaker 1>commercial break, hopefully it won't be late this time. I

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<v Speaker 1>will go. I will go have that added to the eBay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll think of a decent price. But I'm thinking it's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be like minimum one thousand to do the

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<v Speaker 1>show in that outfit, and if we don't make it,

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<v Speaker 1>we just won't do it. But that's it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>too hot. Like people don't even understand they thing I'm kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it's too hot. I have to do this

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<v Speaker 1>this orchid gimmick in the winter for for my own safety.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, and we got the lights in here, it's

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<v Speaker 1>even worse. We have turned all the lights off for

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<v Speaker 1>something and open the windows. Okay, let's get in the

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<v Speaker 1>news real quick. Hangman Page has declared November seventeen National

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<v Speaker 1>cowboy S Day. I can't read it here on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>He will hold celebrations for the day on this week's

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<v Speaker 1>a W Dynamite. Hangman Page released a statement. If you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine that Hangman Page is declaring when state of

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<v Speaker 1>Ember seventeenth as the first National cowboy S Day, with

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<v Speaker 1>celebrations live from his home state of Virginia this week

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<v Speaker 1>on Dynamite. Hangman Adam Page will continue to increase his

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<v Speaker 1>strength and cardio vascular training at additional dynamic and static

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<v Speaker 1>stretching to his routine to limber out his rigid frame

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<v Speaker 1>and study the vegan diet in order to prepare for

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<v Speaker 1>the number one contender, Brian Danielson. I should note, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way that I believe that Bryan Daniels is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer a vegan. He was a vegan for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>but his body didn't like it, so he's no longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Full text of the statement is available. Ar Wrestling Observer

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com announced line up for Dynamite coming up on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>Hangman Adam Page's Celebration, Brian Danielson versus Evil. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that's a new one. Orange Cassidy and tomohiro Shi versus

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<v Speaker 1>The Butcher and the Blade, Sammy Gavara versus j Lethal

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<v Speaker 1>Krusheeda versus Nila Rose, Dante Martin and Leo Rush versus

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<v Speaker 1>The acclaimed that the lineup for the show coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday, Brian Danielson against Evil. You know, yes, Bryan

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<v Speaker 1>Danielson versus Evil. You know which I'll BET's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty damn great man. Was that a your Grand

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<v Speaker 1>Championship match up at some point back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it feels like. That's my in fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean in the ring. Orange Cassidy and is she? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is she? It is impossible for him to have a

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<v Speaker 1>bad match, like the should be like a whale scout auction.

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<v Speaker 1>If I can get ahold day she It's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you bid five thousand dollars. Is she

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<v Speaker 1>will try to have a bad match? How think you

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<v Speaker 1>can do it? So? I don't know if people would

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<v Speaker 1>pay for that, but that'll that'll be good. Danielson evil,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sure it's gonna be excellent. Sammy Gavar

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<v Speaker 1>and j Lethal should be excellent. We got Sheeta, Nila Rose, Dante,

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<v Speaker 1>mart Leo Rushia versus the Acclaimed. I mean it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a good show in the ring. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>as far as like a w fans, it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we want to see Brian Danielson versus somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to see John Moxley versus somebody. They want

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<v Speaker 1>to see big marquee matches. That's what draws ratings more

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<v Speaker 1>than anything else. But I'm sure that it is a

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<v Speaker 1>viewer if you just tune in, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a good show. Back in a moment more Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes love back in the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Observer Live. I'm mix and bur VIVI also Wrestling Observer

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com. All right, very quickly, due to popular demand,

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney is setting it up right now. It's buy now

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<v Speaker 1>one dollars. Nobody wants to do it. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do it, but if you want to,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be a one thousand dollar and I will do

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<v Speaker 1>this entire show as Oreo the Orca and there will

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<v Speaker 1>be a photo of the auctions. You can see what

0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the costume looks like. If if somebody bids two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>could they pay for you to act like you? You

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<v Speaker 1>want to be inside of the thing, bro, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay like thirty thousand, like, I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know how to make it because the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, you can't really do an auction because I

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<v Speaker 1>said a thousand dollars, So like, who's gonna bid three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars? If I said I would do it for

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand dollars. So I mean, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>pay more money, I mean you can just you know whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>bid more for for one of the shows, or just

0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.520
<v Speaker 1>donate directly to whale Scout. Whale scout dot org is

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<v Speaker 1>the website. All the information is up there. But a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars, I mean, I don't want to do it

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<v Speaker 1>quite frankly, because it's hot, but I will do it

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<v Speaker 1>for a thousand dollars, and I will not be sad

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<v Speaker 1>if no one bids a thousand dollars. So if some

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<v Speaker 1>guys got a lot of money they want to see

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<v Speaker 1>me put this stupid costume, want to do a show,

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<v Speaker 1>then pay your money. Otherwise it ain't happening. Three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars for him to put it on, actually act like

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to be inside of it and speaking CARNI

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<v Speaker 1>for the entire show. And come on, alright, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to championship matches made for the Final Battle pay per view.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the end of an era for Ring of Honor.

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<v Speaker 1>The company will return around WrestleMania weekend. And I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>nothing different. I mean I've I've mentioned this before a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people when this this news came down, that

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<v Speaker 1>Ring of Honor was basically going dark and everybody is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be free to go wherever they want at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the year, actually after Final Battle, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>can go wherever they want. And they're gonna essentially be

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<v Speaker 1>returning the first quarter of or actually probably it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>wrestle Mania weekend. It's gonna be the first show and

0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.320
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be quote reimagined. But what it is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be is a super indie with syndicated television all

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<v Speaker 1>over this country. And you know, from talking to two

0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.880
<v Speaker 1>people there, I mean a lot of fans thought this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is a way. It's like w CW. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>when they their season finale, and the season finale was

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<v Speaker 1>they went out of business. Uh. From every everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard, they are actually reimagining and they are actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to come back. But this is the end of

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<v Speaker 1>this era. We've got Bandido versus Jonathan Gresham for the

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<v Speaker 1>r O H title. We have got the O G

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<v Speaker 1>K which is Matt Taven and Mike Bennett versus the

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<v Speaker 1>Briscos for the tag team titles, and bro I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the Briscoe has got to win the belts at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this era, right they have to. They're they're

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<v Speaker 1>the most legendary team in the history of Ring of

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<v Speaker 1>Honor by like leaps and bounds. Nobody even is is close.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been there from day one. They need to win

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<v Speaker 1>the titles on whatever the last day would be. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Shane Taylor versus Kenny King. And of course it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because what do you do with your your championship.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's not gonna be anyone under contract anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>Your your champions will be non contracted talent, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you kind of have to think what's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>happen with these people. Like if if Banddo is immediately

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to sign with w w E, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way you put this belt on him because if

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<v Speaker 1>he goes to w w E, he's not dropping it

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<v Speaker 1>before he goes. Same thing with Jonathan Gresham. Does Jonathan

0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Gresham have interest in going to w w E or not.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody had interested in going to wherever they can

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<v Speaker 1>have a working agreement with the Ring of Honor when

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<v Speaker 1>they do their super indie stuff, then they're your choice

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<v Speaker 1>as champion. I don't know what the interest is with

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<v Speaker 1>the Briscos. Obviously the the Briscos, there was interest from

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<v Speaker 1>w w E, but then j Brisco did some tweets

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<v Speaker 1>and suffice to say that was the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>interest in him by w w E. Maybe the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with with a w I don't know New Japan

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<v Speaker 1>it will make his tweets will make any difference whatsoever

0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.760
<v Speaker 1>in terms of New Japan. I mean, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to say that they'll take anybody, but they'll take the Briscoes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess we'll see who ends up with the titles,

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<v Speaker 1>but things are changing well. I think I would write

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<v Speaker 1>that story the Briscoes getting the belts, for sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know even if w W had interest in them,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's something that they would want to do. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to do anything. Literally, they could just stay

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<v Speaker 1>on the farm and be completely satisfied with that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they would ever want to upproot

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<v Speaker 1>and go to their not going to Florida, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So then it's do you put them on the main

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<v Speaker 1>roster with a type of schedule that they would want,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't ever see them needing W W E

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything when they could have their pick and

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<v Speaker 1>choice of the indies. When it comes to the title,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know necessarily if Bandido, if he's not signed,

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<v Speaker 1>do you work on to deal with him where he

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<v Speaker 1>comes back and okay, we're gonna drop the title here

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<v Speaker 1>by the time he gets closer. Will they sign four

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<v Speaker 1>guys so they have four people that they know are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be on every show that maybe have the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to get out of that contract with notice if

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<v Speaker 1>they are signed by a W or W w E.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, I think we're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to tell the story about Ring of Honor

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<v Speaker 1>and what they're gonna do until they decide to start

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<v Speaker 1>laying it out and doing it at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>next year. I think as of now, yeah, it's difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to have anybody but title belts on him, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not impossible because this is the way it works for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the indies. So I will be very

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<v Speaker 1>interested to see if they try to cover up their

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<v Speaker 1>back end here or you know, what belts do you

0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.920
<v Speaker 1>get rid of them? In that case, what do you need?

0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.880
<v Speaker 1>You only need a world title, You only need tag titles.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not on TV. I mean, yes, technically you're on Sinclair,

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<v Speaker 1>But do you need a TV title? Do you need

0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 1>six man titles where you don't have anybody under contract

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got a lot of you know, figures in play?

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<v Speaker 1>Then at that point, you know, so, I think one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first things you're gonna see is contraction, I

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<v Speaker 1>think for sure. All right, the first co host spot

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<v Speaker 1>is up on eBay right now. The link is on

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<v Speaker 1>my Twitter at. Brian Alvarez also put in the chat

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<v Speaker 1>for the Twitch homies and I don't see the belt

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<v Speaker 1>up yet, but I will. I'll find out when that

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<v Speaker 1>thing is going up. So check it out right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Omega will have all of his various ailments and

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<v Speaker 1>injuries that have been working through checked. On Wednesday, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Dave Altar said Omega has been dealing with various

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<v Speaker 1>injuries for several months, was determined to see the Hangman

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<v Speaker 1>page storyline come to completion. He's gonna take He was

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<v Speaker 1>going to take some time off, but chose not to.

0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.359
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to continue the storyline and a video released

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend by famous YouTube chiropractor and wrestling fan

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<v Speaker 1>Bow High Tower. You ever watched these? Oh man? I have?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh have I ever? He said he had dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>bad vertigo since he said he can get bad while

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<v Speaker 1>he is wrestling and working while things are spinning. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a new skill he has had to inherit wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>in his spinning ring. That's new skill, all right. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll find out. But I mean, Dave mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>last night that among his many injuries are his neck

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<v Speaker 1>is bothering him, and I would not be the least

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<v Speaker 1>bit surprised if he had some issue with his neck.

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<v Speaker 1>That was what was actually causing his his what he

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<v Speaker 1>is calling vertigo. Because there are others that have had

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<v Speaker 1>that same issue. I think Lance his his necks has

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<v Speaker 1>caused him some similar issues. So we can talk to

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<v Speaker 1>him about that on Friday. But one way the other

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna get checked out tomorrow. And yes, this uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this chiropractor. They have this thing, h A S M R.

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<v Speaker 1>What do the kids call it? I've heard of, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have this A S m R chiropractic where these

0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.920
<v Speaker 1>chiropractors put up these these microphones so that you can

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<v Speaker 1>watch YouTube videos of chiropractic and listen to the cracking

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<v Speaker 1>as they get adjusted. And of course, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you watch the videos, it's like somehow the only people

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<v Speaker 1>that come to get chiropractic are like really attractive women

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<v Speaker 1>in very very tight yoga pants. It's incredible. Anyway, these

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<v Speaker 1>these videos got like, you know, five billion views just

0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 1>some woman getting cracked. But what you can do, what

0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.439
<v Speaker 1>you can do is you can google. I mean, you know,

0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:43.399
<v Speaker 1>yoga pants are cool and everything, but google ring Dinger,

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<v Speaker 1>specially when you're putting your ring on YouTube. Ring Dinger.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a it is a chiropractic technique that I

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<v Speaker 1>would never do in a billion years. There's no whale

0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.200
<v Speaker 1>scout auction that you could do to have me get

0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:00.960
<v Speaker 1>a ring digger. Let's just put it that way. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you go to any chiropractor? I mean they're very controversial. Yeah,

0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I go to a chiropractor just because you're a wrestler, though,

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's part of wrestling, Like crack your back,

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.159
<v Speaker 1>they crack your knack, you go home. But not the

0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.840
<v Speaker 1>ring dinger. Not the ringdinger. This this is a rabbit hole.

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:17.480
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to go down, everybody, but I just

0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I just sent you down it. Do you remember that

0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.119
<v Speaker 1>movie The Toy where she's on the back thing and

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<v Speaker 1>it goes like in a circle. Is it something like

0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:26.280
<v Speaker 1>that or is this like some sort of nast You

0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.199
<v Speaker 1>want to know what it is? Mike, Yes, it is

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<v Speaker 1>something you should watch when we celebrate Hangman Page, I

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.280
<v Speaker 1>guess we could do that. That's all a question for

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 1>you. You You mean as well get hanged. You got a

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:43.240
<v Speaker 1>sound word over there? No, I'm not gonna do you

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<v Speaker 1>not have any ORCA sounds? My voice itself is is

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<v Speaker 1>a s m R. What about ORCA sounds? Brian, That's

0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.919
<v Speaker 1>what that's what people are saying. Can I who can

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I thank for that? It's enough of the people calling

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:09.240
<v Speaker 1>you home, Orio, Come home, Mario. Maybe actually just wear

0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the costume and play that the whole show. How about

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that for five thousand dollars, I won't even talk about wrestling.

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll just play whales sounds in a costume for an hour.

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>New Japan Is announced their final Strong tapings. New Japan

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<v Speaker 1>Strong Nemesis will be taped on December ninth at the

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<v Speaker 1>Vermont Hollywood, Los Angeles, California. They had detonation tapings in Riverside, California.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want the I won't give you the spoilers

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<v Speaker 1>for for the New Japan Strong tapings last night. But

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<v Speaker 1>as many of you are well aware, I predicted that

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 1>this was the end of the road for filthy Tom

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Lawlery as he defended his title against Fred Rosser, whose

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<v Speaker 1>head he shaved. If you want to know what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>go to the front page of Russing Observer dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in a moment you were life back on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike's umber viv also

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.159
<v Speaker 1>of Wrestling Observer dot com. I forgot we have to

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>do a raw report. We'll have to, so let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it, by the way before we get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>On my Twitter right now at Brian Alvarez, everything is

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<v Speaker 1>up and available for you to bid on the Intercontinal

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<v Speaker 1>title replica signed by Brian, Vinney and Granny. What's up

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<v Speaker 1>right now? First of four co host spots for the

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Brian and Vinney Show that is up to bid on

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It'll be up for five days. We're gonna

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:53.879
<v Speaker 1>do four of them. We got five days to bid,

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and yes, buy it now one thousand dollars. I will

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<v Speaker 1>do this show dressed as ri O the Orca, not

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<v Speaker 1>for a penny less and I don't care nobody bids,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you want it, it's up there right now.

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<v Speaker 1>To a popular request by the Twitch homies, it is

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<v Speaker 1>up on eBay. All the links up Brian at Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Alvarez on Twitter at Brians. I heard there were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of injuries across pro wrestling. I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>talk about those a little bit before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, you know what I mean. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>all of them yesterday. No we didn't. We'll go for it. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of injuries, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the raw report. Get out of here,

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<v Speaker 1>you idiot. It opened up with Biggie coming out, and Uh,

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the dude, it takes two minutes for me to review

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the show, Mike, because nothing happened. Biggie came out, and

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 1>then actually, here's something to talk about. The story of

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 1>this show is we did a whole go home show

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 1>setting up matches for after Survivor series. That's what this

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:56.400
<v Speaker 1>whole show was about. Biggie and Kevin Owens are feuding,

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 1>but they're not wrestling in Survivor Series. They're gonna wrestle

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>down the road. Biggie and seth Rawlins are feuding, but

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 1>they're not wrestling in Survivor Series. They're wrestling down the road.

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Becky Lynch and Live Morrigan are feuding, but they're not

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>wrestling in Survivor Series. They're gonna wrestle down the road.

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>It's this whole thing is a bunch of matches with

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.919
<v Speaker 1>like there's no consequences any of these matches. It's like,

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it's what difference does it make to a pay per

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>view one of their biggest of all time that they

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.159
<v Speaker 1>have not been building to. That's what The whole build

0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.640
<v Speaker 1>to the Survivor series is the lack of build. That's

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.479
<v Speaker 1>what it's all about. Hey, here's some matches, you know

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 1>where These aren't gonna be the matches. We know these

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>aren't gonna be matches. We're gonna shuffle these up later

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 1>on and then they go home for the show. Yeah,

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have a show and there's gonna be you know.

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>By the way, folks, this is the only time that

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Robert SmackDown competitors go. Actually, it's funny you mentioned that, Mike.

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 1>It's funny you mentioned that because I was listening on

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 1>SmackDown and they don't say that Survivors series. This is

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.200
<v Speaker 1>what they don't say. They don't say a Survivor series

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:05.360
<v Speaker 1>is the one time every year that Raw and SmackDown

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 1>face off against each other. They don't say that. They say, Uh,

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>it's the one time per year that Raw and SmackDown

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>face off against each other. It's Survivor Series. I'm not

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 1>even kidding. Go back and listen to it. So they're

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>actually not lying. It is the one time per year

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 1>that Raw and SmackDown face off against each other at

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Survivor Series. So they've got their tagline, it's it's it's

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 1>exactly like what I was talking about with Roman Reigns

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>bending the knee. Do you remember when Cody was challenging

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 1>and he said, if I don't win, I will never

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>challenge for the world title again. It's been years and

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 1>people are trying to figure out, well, how are they

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna get around it? What are they gonna do to

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>like get around it. Blah blah blah blah blah. That's

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>all he does is fine ways to get around lying

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 1>to you. On SmackDown, they said this classic it was.

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>It was Xavier Woods against Jay Ussa last week and

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the storyline was if if Xavier Woods won, j Uso

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>would have to bend the knee, so he wins. But

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>before Juso bends the knee, the heels just all attack

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Xavier and he never bends knee. They just totally didn't

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 1>do what they promised. Okay. Then they come back a

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>week later and they say, on this show it is

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be Xavier Woods versus Roman Reigns, and it's

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the same step, like they literally reneagued on the stipulation

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and then a week later had the balls to say

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do it again. Okay. So Roman Reigns says,

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 1>if I can't make Xavier Woods bend the knee, I

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 1>will bend the knee and if I don't, I will

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>never appear on SmackDown again. I think he said you

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>can strip me the title or something crazy thing like that.

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>So they tried to convene to that. Even though we

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>unique last week, well this week, we're really going to

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>do it. So they do the match and Xavier wins

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>via disqualification when the usels just beat him up and

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>they beat him up and they kill him, and then

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Roman Reigns goes and he gets on one knee so

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>they can put the crown on his head. So, in fact,

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>based on what they told you, based on what they

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>sold to you, he did not bend the knee to

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Xavier Woods, but he did put his knee on the

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>mat so they could put the crown on his head.

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>This is the kind of stuff that they do, okay.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So yes, it is the one time per year that

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Raw and SmackDown faces off against each other at Survivor Series.

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>So even though they face off against each other a

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>hundred times during the year, they're actually not lying about

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the step. Oh my god, it's like like having lawyers

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and a crisis management pr ke right up your story lines,

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>you know that's what that is. Okay. So they had

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Biggie and Owens feuding with each other, and then the

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>USOS ran down, and then Riddle ran down. There was

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>a big brawl. So he Bill says, I'm gonna do

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>something unorthodox. I'm gonna make this a tag match. Well

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>that's never been done. Who wrote that line? Someone new

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>tag match player. So we have Biggie and Riddle versus

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the us OS. It goes three minutes to a d Q,

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and then of course, you know whoever runs in, Rawlins

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>runs in, and then Orton runs in, So then we

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>get a six man and we had Rawlins Ussos versus Biggie, Randy,

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Ordan Riddle. They went about thirteen minutes. It was a

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>perfectly serviceable professional wrestling match. And uh then seth Rawlins just, um,

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>he's been Riddle clean in the middle of the ring,

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't pull the tights, nothing, the He'll just pin the

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>baby face, not thing up for a title match or anything.

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Just pinned him. So that was that, and then Biggie

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 1>beat up j and said to tell Roman, I'm ready

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>that was the full build the Champion Versus Champion Survivor series.

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Now we move on to like other feuds on rob

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>An Interview, three hour show, there was not much to

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>add to this thing whatsoever. It was a long three

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 1>hour show. I don't understand why I have to be

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>put in a position to hate Adam Pierce. I thought

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you had a heal dynamically really one segment in I'm

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 1>just that's what I'm saying. Why that's my only takeaway

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>from this show? Because it was a pain by numbers

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>show by the time you get done talking about it,

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>my biggest takeaway, Why do I have to hate Adam Pierce?

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Why that's it? Because other everything else they did, as

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>far as shuffling the mysterios out and adding in lastly

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>last week and then Austin theory this week, everything they

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>did to kind of get to the end. I mean,

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't very good, but then they got there. But like,

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that's the big shining thing of the show is why

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>are you putting me in a position to go back

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to the heel authority character? Other than that's all you

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>know how to do, so you fall back. Why there

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>is no other than well, that's why well, when you

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>were talking about Jonathan Gressi, let's say he wants to

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>be signed by w W. E let me tell you something.

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Of all the people out there, Jonathan Gresham not being

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>signed by w W. A just that's the way that

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>one goes. Sorry. So Bianca bel Air is in the

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 1>back and in storyline she's getting ready for a match

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't been announced yet. So she's standing there ready

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:37.479
<v Speaker 1>to go to the ring, and she just said, does

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>anything one I want to do drop? Well, it turns

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>out d drops not there. So in storyline, what are

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>you gonna go to the ring for? Luckily to Mina

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>walks up and says, I'll face you, and they immediately

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>play Bianca's music. It's not even like this was a

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>setup for down the Road like in storyline, she's just

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>waiting there to go through the curtain for a match

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>that's not even signed or announced. When she got to

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the building, didn't she ask around? Like so Bianca fases

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>to mean it was five minutes. It was not very

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>good and bi uncle one. Becky Lynch does a promo

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about how she used to be friends with Charlotte,

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>but then you know Charlotte's selfish and horrible person, and

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>so she's going to beat the p out of her

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>at the pay per view. She gets interrupted by liv Morgan,

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>who she's not facing at the pay per view. They

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 1>have a long promo segment about how when Becky left

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>she told Live that when I returned, You're gonna be

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the champion. But then she returned and Live wasn't the champion,

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and so she just gets buried by Becky. I'm sorry

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>her performed. Crowds dead for this segment. They don't care

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>about this Live Morgan character because why should they. I mean,

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>she does underperformance storyline, and so Live calls her a name,

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>slaps her, and they're gonna wrestle after Survivor Series. We

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>had Orton yelling at Riddle for always getting involved in

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>feuds that they're not a part of. It's led to

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>this tree profits is his alpha academy. They just put

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 1>over Otis like a monster. He just malls everybody and

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 1>then his team loses. They pin Gable. We had Ray

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Masterio yelling at Adam Pierce about taking his son off

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the Survivor Series team, and so Pierce gets mad and

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 1>signs him to a match with Bobby Lashley and by

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the way, to cut to the chase, Ray loses and

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 1>so Adam Pierce removes him from the team. Okay, now listen, whatever,

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.399
<v Speaker 1>But you could have at least built up the match

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>by saying, Ray, you're gonna face Lashly and if you lose,

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>you're also off the team. Maybe five people would go,

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I gotta watch the match. Now, that's a big story.

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 1>They didn't even say that. They just said the main

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>event is Ray and Lashly. No STIPs, no nothing, the

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>third hour of raw seconds right here, Okay, just to

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:53.839
<v Speaker 1>say that. I mean, if you wanted to actually have

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.720
<v Speaker 1>layers and make this a heel turned by Adam Pierce,

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 1>that worked. He would have actually booked Lashly and it's

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:02.879
<v Speaker 1>something where theory they both got matches or they both

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>were in there before the mysterios were But instead you

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>don't do that, and you're booking this on the fly,

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's just even more annoying. If this is the

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>direction you want to go with Pierce, put some layers

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 1>into it instead of just having him come out there

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>makes stupid decisions to make up for the fact that

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>apparently he made stupid decisions. And what does it matter anyway,

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:23.919
<v Speaker 1>if these two are the gms of both brands. Queen

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Selena beat Nikki Ash in three minutes. The storyline is

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.240
<v Speaker 1>that Nikki Ashes one half of the women's Take Team champions,

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>but she's a failure and a loser. It would be

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.760
<v Speaker 1>a detriment to the Survivor Series team. She ranks below

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Queen Selina and we had a rear Ripley defeating Carmela,

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>so you know they traded wins because they're gonna fight

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 1>for the tag team titles, not at Survivor Series, but

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>down the road. Biggie was threatened by Adam Pierce not

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to get involved into Kevin Owens match, so he was

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>a nice trooper, nice soldier. He did not get involved

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>because the heel GM told him not to. Kevin Owens

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.879
<v Speaker 1>beat Finnbalor, besting on the show by a country mile.

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Owens one with the stunner clean in twelve minutes.

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 1>You gotta watch one thing on the show. This is

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the only thing to watch. We had a j and

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Omas doing bad comedy. This led to a j Omas

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 1>versus Rude and Ziggler. Ruten Ziggler were entitled contention. Like

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago. Here they got squashed two

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.399
<v Speaker 1>on one by Omas and then a j tag didn't

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>hit the forum and one three minutes and then his

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 1>note of the last half hour of the show. Ray

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Entrance commercial Survivor Series preview recap of Lashly and Dominic

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Lashlely Entrance n XT commercial, Raw Talk Plug Main

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Events starts commercial break and we come back for like

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.399
<v Speaker 1>eight minutes of the match, not even making this up,

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 1>and uh, Bobby Lastly beat the heck out of him forever.

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Ray Mysterious screwed up his own six one nine. Bobby

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Lashley beat him with the yes lock. Adam Pierce came

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:07.879
<v Speaker 1>out and took Ray out of the match because he said,

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>it's very important that Raw has a strong team. This

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 1>is what the GM of Raw and SmackDown said. He's

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>not the GM of Rice, gym of both brands, and

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>so to make the team strong in storyline, he removes

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Ray Mysterio and he puts in Austin theory. So in storyline,

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>it is a downward move. In reality, in terms of

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 1>making an actual good match for the wrestling fans, it's

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>a downward move. Everything about this was designed to make

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the show worse in storyline and real Life Survivor Series

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.840
<v Speaker 1>on Sunday. Everybody, get your peacock going now back in

0:37:49.920 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a moment Observer Live. Yeah, you're listening to Wrestling Observer

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Live with Brian Alvarez and Mike semper viv on the

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. That was brutal. She'd been a

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars for that whale suit just for that raw review,

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:40.839
<v Speaker 1>I said, through three hours of that show every week

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<v Speaker 1>that's amazing too, is like whatever, what Usually they do

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<v Speaker 1>a poor job building up any matches. This show they

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<v Speaker 1>actually did a great job building up matches, but not

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<v Speaker 1>for Survivor series. Well, the whole thing, the whole build

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<v Speaker 1>has sucked. No build has been awful your Survivor series.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not another w w E pay per view for

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<v Speaker 1>like six weeks because they don't have a December pay

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<v Speaker 1>per view. The next show after that is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, that's what it should be. Don't do a

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<v Speaker 1>December pay per view. And they at one point what

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<v Speaker 1>was an Army Geddon and they were doing a different

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<v Speaker 1>spin on that show to try to get people in. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't see why December, in the month before

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<v Speaker 1>rustle many you have to do that especially now with Peacock,

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<v Speaker 1>where the numbers, the pay per view numbers of BIS

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<v Speaker 1>don't matter. They're looking for content. You could put almost

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<v Speaker 1>anything on there that's not first run. That's gonna cost

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<v Speaker 1>you a bunch in production. Well, anyway, we're gonna wrap

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<v Speaker 1>it up for today. Later tonight brianan Vinny and Craig

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<v Speaker 1>and Granny's show with a special guest host here. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be talking the uh tonight. It's it's Full Gear where

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk to Granny and then review Full Gear. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try and get the New Undertaker book to Granny.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the library binding of a new Kids Undertaker

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<v Speaker 1>book from like nineteen, so it's gonna cover almost all

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<v Speaker 1>of his career. So we'll do that tonight. And as noted,

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<v Speaker 1>check out my Twitter at Brian Alvarez. The Whale Scout

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<v Speaker 1>auction is ongoing. We've got a lot of great stuff

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<v Speaker 1>up there. Very much appreciate anybody's bids. It goes to

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<v Speaker 1>a great cause. Five oh one C three. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to listen to this for the months.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Mike's always callers and listeners, all the Whales

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<v Speaker 1>at the studio we'll talk to you next time Wrestling

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