Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
Speaker 1: of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. Ready, Ready,
Speaker 1: let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Albarez
Speaker 1: here on or Wrestling m Overlive. We are here every
Speaker 1: day Monday through Friday, a New Pacific three Stern, Sunday
Speaker 1: three Pacific, sixth Eastern. We have a lot to get
Speaker 1: into here today because it is Tuesday, and you know
Speaker 1: that means RAW was last night, the go home show
Speaker 1: for Survivor series may go down in history. Is the
Speaker 1: most nothing happening go home show I ever saw. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it here. We'll get the ratings tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I hear by predict that this third hour is going
Speaker 1: to die, the death of all deaths might even be
Speaker 1: a record because it is. We're in daylight savings time now,
Speaker 1: which means the third hour usually does a bad number,
Speaker 1: and then the third hour of this show today horrific number.
Speaker 1: As usual. They advertised one match and they didn't deliver
Speaker 1: the one match they advertised, and the main event was
Speaker 1: Ray Mystereo and Bobby Lashley literally with nothing announced on
Speaker 1: the line, although it turned out that because Ray lost.
Speaker 1: He got removed from the Survivor Series team thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: There was a the last hour of Raw, from ten
Speaker 1: thirty to eleven, there was an eleven minute wrestling match
Speaker 1: and nothing else, I mean commercials, entrances, video packages, commercials,
Speaker 1: eleven minutes of anything of value in the last thirty
Speaker 1: minutes of the show. So it will die. But we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that tomorrow. We have the lineup for Survivor Series,
Speaker 1: all of the matches. They just randomly announced all the
Speaker 1: champion versus champion matches because the feeling is that, well,
Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen, so we don't need to
Speaker 1: promote or anything like that. We'll just announce on online
Speaker 1: all of these matches we're going to have. So we'll
Speaker 1: talk about Raw here today we'll talk about Survivor Series.
Speaker 1: We have also got the Wednesday Dynamite lineup. We've got
Speaker 1: six segments announced for the show. This is the fallout
Speaker 1: to Full Gear. We've got the line up so far
Speaker 1: for a Ring of Honor, which is the end of
Speaker 1: an Era, Final Battle, the end of an Era for
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor. Updates on Kenny Omega, New Japan, strong
Speaker 1: Smecked and rampage ratings and some exciting news after the break.
Speaker 1: Stick around Wrestling Observer Live. Back in the show. Brian
Speaker 1: Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike simper Viv also of
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer dot com. In quantity minutes eighteen minutes from now.
Speaker 1: It is time for our annual Whale Scouts fundraiser, in
Speaker 1: which I offer many things at auction to help raise
Speaker 1: funds for Whale Scout. It's my wife's nonprofit five oh
Speaker 1: one c three. The money goes towards habitat restoration. A
Speaker 1: lot of times. There's a golf course down in in
Speaker 1: bothela former it's the former Wayne Golf Course. That's what
Speaker 1: they call it right now. They haven't got a new
Speaker 1: name for it yet. It's just former Wayne Golf Course
Speaker 1: and it was purchased by the city and it's being
Speaker 1: turned into a park. And so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: work that needs to be involved and Whale Scout is
Speaker 1: helping with that. Habitat restoration helps the salmon salmon, of course,
Speaker 1: you know people eat salmon, Whales eat salmon. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of hard work that goes into
Speaker 1: all of this, and Whale Scouts helping out all around
Speaker 1: the community. And so we raise funds every year for
Speaker 1: Whale Scout and uh, you can write it off one
Speaker 1: C three and all of your all of your donations
Speaker 1: go towards tools, plants, mulch, all that other stuff that
Speaker 1: you do when you work outside. Not my forte, but anyway,
Speaker 1: I hear there's a lot of stuff you need when
Speaker 1: you work outside. So what we're doing here for the
Speaker 1: the auction is I've got five things that I will
Speaker 1: be auctioning off this year, and four of them are
Speaker 1: guest host spots on The Brian and Vinnie Show. In fact,
Speaker 1: this week we're finally getting the final two guest hosts
Speaker 1: from last year to do their shows. So tonight Michael
Speaker 1: Ruiz will be joining us to review full gear with
Speaker 1: Videan Craig as well as the Granny segment, and on Thursday,
Speaker 1: Steve Sharp will be joining us to talk a W
Speaker 1: and n x T. You can you can join the
Speaker 1: show via phone. You can join the show via Skype,
Speaker 1: audio and video. I can even probably make zoom work
Speaker 1: if that's what you have available. But you get to
Speaker 1: co host with us if you would like to make
Speaker 1: a suggestion for what we review. I will consider strongly
Speaker 1: the suggestion, but I can't guarantee. I can't guarantee anything.
Speaker 1: We won't be watching the room. If someone offers a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars for a guest host spot, I will
Speaker 1: consider the room. Other than that, it's probably not happening.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the first auction will begin at three thirty
Speaker 1: Eastern and I'll put a link up on my Twitter
Speaker 1: at Brian Alvarez, and if you would like to co host,
Speaker 1: make your bid and we'll see how it goes. There
Speaker 1: will be four so if you don't get the first one,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be three other options you can cash in,
Speaker 1: so to speak, your briefcase at any time on any
Speaker 1: Brian and Vinny show between now and in the end
Speaker 1: of two And we do have one guest host that
Speaker 1: because of circumstances, they could not cash in this year.
Speaker 1: But even though I say you have to cash in
Speaker 1: within a year, we'll pull some strings and whenever this
Speaker 1: person is is ready to cash in, we'll let him
Speaker 1: cash in. So basically, you're your cash in will never expire,
Speaker 1: although we like to say a year and then also
Speaker 1: coming up very soon at some point today and I
Speaker 1: will tweet out the link to this as well. I
Speaker 1: have got a w w E shop replica w w
Speaker 1: E Intercontinental Championship Belt that will be signed by myself,
Speaker 1: Vince very high and yes, Granny will also be signing
Speaker 1: this belt. It is a one of a kind. Myself,
Speaker 1: Vinnie and Granny all signing this w w E Replica
Speaker 1: Intercontinental Championship belt. That one's gonna go up on on
Speaker 1: eBay later today as well. So when I get the links,
Speaker 1: I will give the links to you. And the way
Speaker 1: we go, I'm gonna start charging Mike to co host.
Speaker 1: All proceeds will go to whale Scout Mike. But this
Speaker 1: is valuable real estate now, not just any bloke can
Speaker 1: do this. Do the p We'll have to pay this
Speaker 1: fee or do I have to pay it? We need?
Speaker 1: They have to Who are you talking about? What are
Speaker 1: you talking about charging to to have me on this show?
Speaker 1: Are you charging me? Or are you charging the listeners
Speaker 1: to have me on the show? Well, and and if
Speaker 1: the listeners want a co host, they they will pay
Speaker 1: to be on the show. If you want a co host,
Speaker 1: you haven't got paid in your own pocket, buddy. When
Speaker 1: we start laying down the law, here. Well, it looks
Speaker 1: like you got a nice solo. I don't do nothing
Speaker 1: for free. You enjoy your future endeavors there. How much
Speaker 1: would someone have to pay for you to slap on
Speaker 1: the whale outfit and wear that for an entire episode? Bro,
Speaker 1: I I put that on the on the auction? Uh
Speaker 1: do the show is? Uh? Is? Uh? What's his name?
Speaker 1: Oreo the Orca? Are you going to limit the times
Speaker 1: that somebody can cash that one in? Because I know
Speaker 1: how warm that thing is the debt of summer? Are
Speaker 1: you willing to wear that thing in the studio? I
Speaker 1: mean I I'd certainly think about it. I'll think about
Speaker 1: that when Mike. If there's if there's a demand to
Speaker 1: see me do this show dressed as Oreo the Orca,
Speaker 1: I will. I will say if we reach X amount
Speaker 1: of dollars, I will do a show in the costume. Now,
Speaker 1: to be fair, it ain't gonna be cheap because that
Speaker 1: costume is so hot. There's a chance that I would
Speaker 1: die doing the show in the outfit. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about it. But I was the costume named Orca? When
Speaker 1: you got it? Or did the kids name it? Orca?
Speaker 1: Did your significant how did it well? Naming Oreo the orca.
Speaker 1: My wife came up with it. And in fact, there
Speaker 1: is a a shoot orca named Oreo, and the shoot
Speaker 1: orca named Oreo does have two children. Uh one of
Speaker 1: them is double stuffed, and I forget the other one
Speaker 1: when two children inside of it? Did it eat two children?
Speaker 1: Shiminey Christmas? What do you think these are animals? Let's talk. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, one of the things before we get
Speaker 1: to the news, Lance Storm is just volunteered that if
Speaker 1: you would like to, uh, to do the auction and
Speaker 1: instead of doing the Brianan Vinny show, you want to
Speaker 1: do the Brianan Lance show. He's down for that as well.
Speaker 1: How much to get Lance in the Oreo the Orc outfit.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough money for that, but I'll
Speaker 1: go talk to my wife right now after the next
Speaker 1: commercial break, hopefully it won't be late this time. I
Speaker 1: will go. I will go have that added to the eBay.
Speaker 1: I'll think of a decent price. But I'm thinking it's
Speaker 1: got to be like minimum one thousand to do the
Speaker 1: show in that outfit, and if we don't make it,
Speaker 1: we just won't do it. But that's it's just it's
Speaker 1: too hot. Like people don't even understand they thing I'm kidding,
Speaker 1: but like it's too hot. I have to do this
Speaker 1: this orchid gimmick in the winter for for my own safety.
Speaker 1: But anyway, and we got the lights in here, it's
Speaker 1: even worse. We have turned all the lights off for
Speaker 1: something and open the windows. Okay, let's get in the
Speaker 1: news real quick. Hangman Page has declared November seventeen National
Speaker 1: cowboy S Day. I can't read it here on the air.
Speaker 1: He will hold celebrations for the day on this week's
Speaker 1: a W Dynamite. Hangman Page released a statement. If you
Speaker 1: can imagine that Hangman Page is declaring when state of
Speaker 1: Ember seventeenth as the first National cowboy S Day, with
Speaker 1: celebrations live from his home state of Virginia this week
Speaker 1: on Dynamite. Hangman Adam Page will continue to increase his
Speaker 1: strength and cardio vascular training at additional dynamic and static
Speaker 1: stretching to his routine to limber out his rigid frame
Speaker 1: and study the vegan diet in order to prepare for
Speaker 1: the number one contender, Brian Danielson. I should note, by
Speaker 1: the way that I believe that Bryan Daniels is no
Speaker 1: longer a vegan. He was a vegan for a while,
Speaker 1: but his body didn't like it, so he's no longer.
Speaker 1: Full text of the statement is available. Ar Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: dot Com announced line up for Dynamite coming up on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Hangman Adam Page's Celebration, Brian Danielson versus Evil. You know
Speaker 1: that's a new one. Orange Cassidy and tomohiro Shi versus
Speaker 1: The Butcher and the Blade, Sammy Gavara versus j Lethal
Speaker 1: Krusheeda versus Nila Rose, Dante Martin and Leo Rush versus
Speaker 1: The acclaimed that the lineup for the show coming up
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Brian Danielson against Evil. You know, yes, Bryan
Speaker 1: Danielson versus Evil. You know which I'll BET's gonna be
Speaker 1: a pretty damn great man. Was that a your Grand
Speaker 1: Championship match up at some point back in the day.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. That's my in fact, I
Speaker 1: mean in the ring. Orange Cassidy and is she? I mean,
Speaker 1: is she? It is impossible for him to have a
Speaker 1: bad match, like the should be like a whale scout auction.
Speaker 1: If I can get ahold day she It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you bid five thousand dollars. Is she
Speaker 1: will try to have a bad match? How think you
Speaker 1: can do it? So? I don't know if people would
Speaker 1: pay for that, but that'll that'll be good. Danielson evil,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure it's gonna be excellent. Sammy Gavar
Speaker 1: and j Lethal should be excellent. We got Sheeta, Nila Rose, Dante,
Speaker 1: mart Leo Rushia versus the Acclaimed. I mean it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good show in the ring. I don't know
Speaker 1: as far as like a w fans, it's not just
Speaker 1: you know, we want to see Brian Danielson versus somebody.
Speaker 1: We want to see John Moxley versus somebody. They want
Speaker 1: to see big marquee matches. That's what draws ratings more
Speaker 1: than anything else. But I'm sure that it is a
Speaker 1: viewer if you just tune in, it's going to be
Speaker 1: a good show. Back in a moment more Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Sometimes love back in the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer Live. I'm mix and bur VIVI also Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: dot Com. All right, very quickly, due to popular demand,
Speaker 1: Whitney is setting it up right now. It's buy now
Speaker 1: one dollars. Nobody wants to do it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it, but if you want to,
Speaker 1: it'll be a one thousand dollar and I will do
Speaker 1: this entire show as Oreo the Orca and there will
Speaker 1: be a photo of the auctions. You can see what
Speaker 1: the costume looks like. If if somebody bids two thousand,
Speaker 1: could they pay for you to act like you? You
Speaker 1: want to be inside of the thing, bro, if you
Speaker 1: want to pay like thirty thousand, like, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how to make it because the
Speaker 1: thing is, you can't really do an auction because I
Speaker 1: said a thousand dollars, So like, who's gonna bid three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars? If I said I would do it for
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars. So I mean, if you want to
Speaker 1: pay more money, I mean you can just you know whatever,
Speaker 1: bid more for for one of the shows, or just
Speaker 1: donate directly to whale Scout. Whale scout dot org is
Speaker 1: the website. All the information is up there. But a
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, I mean, I don't want to do it
Speaker 1: quite frankly, because it's hot, but I will do it
Speaker 1: for a thousand dollars, and I will not be sad
Speaker 1: if no one bids a thousand dollars. So if some
Speaker 1: guys got a lot of money they want to see
Speaker 1: me put this stupid costume, want to do a show,
Speaker 1: then pay your money. Otherwise it ain't happening. Three thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for him to put it on, actually act like
Speaker 1: he wants to be inside of it and speaking CARNI
Speaker 1: for the entire show. And come on, alright, we got
Speaker 1: to championship matches made for the Final Battle pay per view.
Speaker 1: This is the end of an era for Ring of Honor.
Speaker 1: The company will return around WrestleMania weekend. And I've heard
Speaker 1: nothing different. I mean I've I've mentioned this before a
Speaker 1: lot of people when this this news came down, that
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor was basically going dark and everybody is
Speaker 1: going to be free to go wherever they want at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, actually after Final Battle, everybody
Speaker 1: can go wherever they want. And they're gonna essentially be
Speaker 1: returning the first quarter of or actually probably it'll be
Speaker 1: wrestle Mania weekend. It's gonna be the first show and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be quote reimagined. But what it is going
Speaker 1: to be is a super indie with syndicated television all
Speaker 1: over this country. And you know, from talking to two
Speaker 1: people there, I mean a lot of fans thought this
Speaker 1: is this is a way. It's like w CW. Remember
Speaker 1: when they their season finale, and the season finale was
Speaker 1: they went out of business. Uh. From every everything that
Speaker 1: I've heard, they are actually reimagining and they are actually
Speaker 1: going to come back. But this is the end of
Speaker 1: this era. We've got Bandido versus Jonathan Gresham for the
Speaker 1: r O H title. We have got the O G
Speaker 1: K which is Matt Taven and Mike Bennett versus the
Speaker 1: Briscos for the tag team titles, and bro I mean
Speaker 1: the Briscoe has got to win the belts at the
Speaker 1: end of this era, right they have to. They're they're
Speaker 1: the most legendary team in the history of Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor by like leaps and bounds. Nobody even is is close.
Speaker 1: They've been there from day one. They need to win
Speaker 1: the titles on whatever the last day would be. And
Speaker 1: then Shane Taylor versus Kenny King. And of course it's
Speaker 1: interesting because what do you do with your your championship.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not gonna be anyone under contract anymore,
Speaker 1: Your your champions will be non contracted talent, and so
Speaker 1: I mean you kind of have to think what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen with these people. Like if if Banddo is immediately
Speaker 1: going to try to sign with w w E, there's
Speaker 1: no way you put this belt on him because if
Speaker 1: he goes to w w E, he's not dropping it
Speaker 1: before he goes. Same thing with Jonathan Gresham. Does Jonathan
Speaker 1: Gresham have interest in going to w w E or not.
Speaker 1: If somebody had interested in going to wherever they can
Speaker 1: have a working agreement with the Ring of Honor when
Speaker 1: they do their super indie stuff, then they're your choice
Speaker 1: as champion. I don't know what the interest is with
Speaker 1: the Briscos. Obviously the the Briscos, there was interest from
Speaker 1: w w E, but then j Brisco did some tweets
Speaker 1: and suffice to say that was the end of the
Speaker 1: interest in him by w w E. Maybe the same
Speaker 1: thing with with a w I don't know New Japan
Speaker 1: it will make his tweets will make any difference whatsoever
Speaker 1: in terms of New Japan. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to say that they'll take anybody, but they'll take the Briscoes.
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll see who ends up with the titles,
Speaker 1: but things are changing well. I think I would write
Speaker 1: that story the Briscoes getting the belts, for sure. I
Speaker 1: don't know even if w W had interest in them,
Speaker 1: if that's something that they would want to do. They
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. Literally, they could just stay
Speaker 1: on the farm and be completely satisfied with that. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would ever want to upproot
Speaker 1: and go to their not going to Florida, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So then it's do you put them on the main
Speaker 1: roster with a type of schedule that they would want,
Speaker 1: because I don't ever see them needing W W E
Speaker 1: to do anything when they could have their pick and
Speaker 1: choice of the indies. When it comes to the title,
Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily if Bandido, if he's not signed,
Speaker 1: do you work on to deal with him where he
Speaker 1: comes back and okay, we're gonna drop the title here
Speaker 1: by the time he gets closer. Will they sign four
Speaker 1: guys so they have four people that they know are
Speaker 1: going to be on every show that maybe have the
Speaker 1: ability to get out of that contract with notice if
Speaker 1: they are signed by a W or W w E.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I think we're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to tell the story about Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: and what they're gonna do until they decide to start
Speaker 1: laying it out and doing it at the beginning of
Speaker 1: next year. I think as of now, yeah, it's difficult
Speaker 1: to have anybody but title belts on him, but it's
Speaker 1: not impossible because this is the way it works for
Speaker 1: the rest of the indies. So I will be very
Speaker 1: interested to see if they try to cover up their
Speaker 1: back end here or you know, what belts do you
Speaker 1: get rid of them? In that case, what do you need?
Speaker 1: You only need a world title, You only need tag titles.
Speaker 1: You're not on TV. I mean, yes, technically you're on Sinclair,
Speaker 1: But do you need a TV title? Do you need
Speaker 1: six man titles where you don't have anybody under contract
Speaker 1: and you've got a lot of you know, figures in play?
Speaker 1: Then at that point, you know, so, I think one
Speaker 1: of the first things you're gonna see is contraction, I
Speaker 1: think for sure. All right, the first co host spot
Speaker 1: is up on eBay right now. The link is on
Speaker 1: my Twitter at. Brian Alvarez also put in the chat
Speaker 1: for the Twitch homies and I don't see the belt
Speaker 1: up yet, but I will. I'll find out when that
Speaker 1: thing is going up. So check it out right now,
Speaker 1: Kenny Omega will have all of his various ailments and
Speaker 1: injuries that have been working through checked. On Wednesday, according
Speaker 1: to Dave Altar said Omega has been dealing with various
Speaker 1: injuries for several months, was determined to see the Hangman
Speaker 1: page storyline come to completion. He's gonna take He was
Speaker 1: going to take some time off, but chose not to.
Speaker 1: He wanted to continue the storyline and a video released
Speaker 1: over the weekend by famous YouTube chiropractor and wrestling fan
Speaker 1: Bow High Tower. You ever watched these? Oh man? I have?
Speaker 1: Oh have I ever? He said he had dealt with
Speaker 1: bad vertigo since he said he can get bad while
Speaker 1: he is wrestling and working while things are spinning. It
Speaker 1: is a new skill he has had to inherit wrestling
Speaker 1: in his spinning ring. That's new skill, all right. So
Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out. But I mean, Dave mentioned
Speaker 1: last night that among his many injuries are his neck
Speaker 1: is bothering him, and I would not be the least
Speaker 1: bit surprised if he had some issue with his neck.
Speaker 1: That was what was actually causing his his what he
Speaker 1: is calling vertigo. Because there are others that have had
Speaker 1: that same issue. I think Lance his his necks has
Speaker 1: caused him some similar issues. So we can talk to
Speaker 1: him about that on Friday. But one way the other
Speaker 1: is gonna get checked out tomorrow. And yes, this uh,
Speaker 1: this chiropractor. They have this thing, h A S M R.
Speaker 1: What do the kids call it? I've heard of, but
Speaker 1: they have this A S m R chiropractic where these
Speaker 1: chiropractors put up these these microphones so that you can
Speaker 1: watch YouTube videos of chiropractic and listen to the cracking
Speaker 1: as they get adjusted. And of course, you know, if
Speaker 1: you watch the videos, it's like somehow the only people
Speaker 1: that come to get chiropractic are like really attractive women
Speaker 1: in very very tight yoga pants. It's incredible. Anyway, these
Speaker 1: these videos got like, you know, five billion views just
Speaker 1: some woman getting cracked. But what you can do, what
Speaker 1: you can do is you can google. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: yoga pants are cool and everything, but google ring Dinger,
Speaker 1: specially when you're putting your ring on YouTube. Ring Dinger.
Speaker 1: It is a it is a chiropractic technique that I
Speaker 1: would never do in a billion years. There's no whale
Speaker 1: scout auction that you could do to have me get
Speaker 1: a ring digger. Let's just put it that way. Would
Speaker 1: you go to any chiropractor? I mean they're very controversial. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I go to a chiropractor just because you're a wrestler, though,
Speaker 1: I mean that's part of wrestling, Like crack your back,
Speaker 1: they crack your knack, you go home. But not the
Speaker 1: ring dinger. Not the ringdinger. This this is a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: You don't want to go down, everybody, but I just
Speaker 1: I just sent you down it. Do you remember that
Speaker 1: movie The Toy where she's on the back thing and
Speaker 1: it goes like in a circle. Is it something like
Speaker 1: that or is this like some sort of nast You
Speaker 1: want to know what it is? Mike, Yes, it is
Speaker 1: something you should watch when we celebrate Hangman Page, I
Speaker 1: guess we could do that. That's all a question for
Speaker 1: you. You You mean as well get hanged. You got a
Speaker 1: sound word over there? No, I'm not gonna do you
Speaker 1: not have any ORCA sounds? My voice itself is is
Speaker 1: a s m R. What about ORCA sounds? Brian, That's
Speaker 1: what that's what people are saying. Can I who can
Speaker 1: I thank for that? It's enough of the people calling
Speaker 1: you home, Orio, Come home, Mario. Maybe actually just wear
Speaker 1: the costume and play that the whole show. How about
Speaker 1: that for five thousand dollars, I won't even talk about wrestling.
Speaker 1: I'll just play whales sounds in a costume for an hour.
Speaker 1: New Japan Is announced their final Strong tapings. New Japan
Speaker 1: Strong Nemesis will be taped on December ninth at the
Speaker 1: Vermont Hollywood, Los Angeles, California. They had detonation tapings in Riverside, California.
Speaker 1: If you want the I won't give you the spoilers
Speaker 1: for for the New Japan Strong tapings last night. But
Speaker 1: as many of you are well aware, I predicted that
Speaker 1: this was the end of the road for filthy Tom
Speaker 1: Lawlery as he defended his title against Fred Rosser, whose
Speaker 1: head he shaved. If you want to know what happened,
Speaker 1: go to the front page of Russing Observer dot com.
Speaker 1: Back in a moment you were life back on the show.
Speaker 1: Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike's umber viv also
Speaker 1: of Wrestling Observer dot com. I forgot we have to
Speaker 1: do a raw report. We'll have to, so let's talk
Speaker 1: about it, by the way before we get into it.
Speaker 1: On my Twitter right now at Brian Alvarez, everything is
Speaker 1: up and available for you to bid on the Intercontinal
Speaker 1: title replica signed by Brian, Vinney and Granny. What's up
Speaker 1: right now? First of four co host spots for the
Speaker 1: Brian and Vinney Show that is up to bid on
Speaker 1: right now. It'll be up for five days. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do four of them. We got five days to bid,
Speaker 1: and yes, buy it now one thousand dollars. I will
Speaker 1: do this show dressed as ri O the Orca, not
Speaker 1: for a penny less and I don't care nobody bids,
Speaker 1: but if you want it, it's up there right now.
Speaker 1: To a popular request by the Twitch homies, it is
Speaker 1: up on eBay. All the links up Brian at Brian
Speaker 1: Alvarez on Twitter at Brians. I heard there were a
Speaker 1: lot of injuries across pro wrestling. I think we should
Speaker 1: talk about those a little bit before we get into
Speaker 1: anything else, you know what I mean. We talked about
Speaker 1: all of them yesterday. No we didn't. We'll go for it. Then,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of injuries, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about the raw report. Get out of here,
Speaker 1: you idiot. It opened up with Biggie coming out, and Uh,
Speaker 1: the dude, it takes two minutes for me to review
Speaker 1: the show, Mike, because nothing happened. Biggie came out, and
Speaker 1: then actually, here's something to talk about. The story of
Speaker 1: this show is we did a whole go home show
Speaker 1: setting up matches for after Survivor series. That's what this
Speaker 1: whole show was about. Biggie and Kevin Owens are feuding,
Speaker 1: but they're not wrestling in Survivor Series. They're gonna wrestle
Speaker 1: down the road. Biggie and seth Rawlins are feuding, but
Speaker 1: they're not wrestling in Survivor Series. They're wrestling down the road.
Speaker 1: Becky Lynch and Live Morrigan are feuding, but they're not
Speaker 1: wrestling in Survivor Series. They're gonna wrestle down the road.
Speaker 1: It's this whole thing is a bunch of matches with
Speaker 1: like there's no consequences any of these matches. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's what difference does it make to a pay per
Speaker 1: view one of their biggest of all time that they
Speaker 1: have not been building to. That's what The whole build
Speaker 1: to the Survivor series is the lack of build. That's
Speaker 1: what it's all about. Hey, here's some matches, you know
Speaker 1: where These aren't gonna be the matches. We know these
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be matches. We're gonna shuffle these up later
Speaker 1: on and then they go home for the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a show and there's gonna be you know.
Speaker 1: By the way, folks, this is the only time that
Speaker 1: Robert SmackDown competitors go. Actually, it's funny you mentioned that, Mike.
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned that because I was listening on
Speaker 1: SmackDown and they don't say that Survivors series. This is
Speaker 1: what they don't say. They don't say a Survivor series
Speaker 1: is the one time every year that Raw and SmackDown
Speaker 1: face off against each other. They don't say that. They say, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's the one time per year that Raw and SmackDown
Speaker 1: face off against each other. It's Survivor Series. I'm not
Speaker 1: even kidding. Go back and listen to it. So they're
Speaker 1: actually not lying. It is the one time per year
Speaker 1: that Raw and SmackDown face off against each other at
Speaker 1: Survivor Series. So they've got their tagline, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: exactly like what I was talking about with Roman Reigns
Speaker 1: bending the knee. Do you remember when Cody was challenging
Speaker 1: and he said, if I don't win, I will never
Speaker 1: challenge for the world title again. It's been years and
Speaker 1: people are trying to figure out, well, how are they
Speaker 1: gonna get around it? What are they gonna do to
Speaker 1: like get around it. Blah blah blah blah blah. That's
Speaker 1: all he does is fine ways to get around lying
Speaker 1: to you. On SmackDown, they said this classic it was.
Speaker 1: It was Xavier Woods against Jay Ussa last week and
Speaker 1: the storyline was if if Xavier Woods won, j Uso
Speaker 1: would have to bend the knee, so he wins. But
Speaker 1: before Juso bends the knee, the heels just all attack
Speaker 1: Xavier and he never bends knee. They just totally didn't
Speaker 1: do what they promised. Okay. Then they come back a
Speaker 1: week later and they say, on this show it is
Speaker 1: going to be Xavier Woods versus Roman Reigns, and it's
Speaker 1: the same step, like they literally reneagued on the stipulation
Speaker 1: and then a week later had the balls to say
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it again. Okay. So Roman Reigns says,
Speaker 1: if I can't make Xavier Woods bend the knee, I
Speaker 1: will bend the knee and if I don't, I will
Speaker 1: never appear on SmackDown again. I think he said you
Speaker 1: can strip me the title or something crazy thing like that.
Speaker 1: So they tried to convene to that. Even though we
Speaker 1: unique last week, well this week, we're really going to
Speaker 1: do it. So they do the match and Xavier wins
Speaker 1: via disqualification when the usels just beat him up and
Speaker 1: they beat him up and they kill him, and then
Speaker 1: Roman Reigns goes and he gets on one knee so
Speaker 1: they can put the crown on his head. So, in fact,
Speaker 1: based on what they told you, based on what they
Speaker 1: sold to you, he did not bend the knee to
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods, but he did put his knee on the
Speaker 1: mat so they could put the crown on his head.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff that they do, okay.
Speaker 1: So yes, it is the one time per year that
Speaker 1: Raw and SmackDown faces off against each other at Survivor Series.
Speaker 1: So even though they face off against each other a
Speaker 1: hundred times during the year, they're actually not lying about
Speaker 1: the step. Oh my god, it's like like having lawyers
Speaker 1: and a crisis management pr ke right up your story lines,
Speaker 1: you know that's what that is. Okay. So they had
Speaker 1: Biggie and Owens feuding with each other, and then the
Speaker 1: USOS ran down, and then Riddle ran down. There was
Speaker 1: a big brawl. So he Bill says, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: something unorthodox. I'm gonna make this a tag match. Well
Speaker 1: that's never been done. Who wrote that line? Someone new
Speaker 1: tag match player. So we have Biggie and Riddle versus
Speaker 1: the us OS. It goes three minutes to a d Q,
Speaker 1: and then of course, you know whoever runs in, Rawlins
Speaker 1: runs in, and then Orton runs in, So then we
Speaker 1: get a six man and we had Rawlins Ussos versus Biggie, Randy,
Speaker 1: Ordan Riddle. They went about thirteen minutes. It was a
Speaker 1: perfectly serviceable professional wrestling match. And uh then seth Rawlins just, um,
Speaker 1: he's been Riddle clean in the middle of the ring,
Speaker 1: didn't pull the tights, nothing, the He'll just pin the
Speaker 1: baby face, not thing up for a title match or anything.
Speaker 1: Just pinned him. So that was that, and then Biggie
Speaker 1: beat up j and said to tell Roman, I'm ready
Speaker 1: that was the full build the Champion Versus Champion Survivor series.
Speaker 1: Now we move on to like other feuds on rob
Speaker 1: An Interview, three hour show, there was not much to
Speaker 1: add to this thing whatsoever. It was a long three
Speaker 1: hour show. I don't understand why I have to be
Speaker 1: put in a position to hate Adam Pierce. I thought
Speaker 1: you had a heal dynamically really one segment in I'm
Speaker 1: just that's what I'm saying. Why that's my only takeaway
Speaker 1: from this show? Because it was a pain by numbers
Speaker 1: show by the time you get done talking about it,
Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway, Why do I have to hate Adam Pierce?
Speaker 1: Why that's it? Because other everything else they did, as
Speaker 1: far as shuffling the mysterios out and adding in lastly
Speaker 1: last week and then Austin theory this week, everything they
Speaker 1: did to kind of get to the end. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't very good, but then they got there. But like,
Speaker 1: that's the big shining thing of the show is why
Speaker 1: are you putting me in a position to go back
Speaker 1: to the heel authority character? Other than that's all you
Speaker 1: know how to do, so you fall back. Why there
Speaker 1: is no other than well, that's why well, when you
Speaker 1: were talking about Jonathan Gressi, let's say he wants to
Speaker 1: be signed by w W. E let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: Of all the people out there, Jonathan Gresham not being
Speaker 1: signed by w W. A just that's the way that
Speaker 1: one goes. Sorry. So Bianca bel Air is in the
Speaker 1: back and in storyline she's getting ready for a match
Speaker 1: that hasn't been announced yet. So she's standing there ready
Speaker 1: to go to the ring, and she just said, does
Speaker 1: anything one I want to do drop? Well, it turns
Speaker 1: out d drops not there. So in storyline, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna go to the ring for? Luckily to Mina
Speaker 1: walks up and says, I'll face you, and they immediately
Speaker 1: play Bianca's music. It's not even like this was a
Speaker 1: setup for down the Road like in storyline, she's just
Speaker 1: waiting there to go through the curtain for a match
Speaker 1: that's not even signed or announced. When she got to
Speaker 1: the building, didn't she ask around? Like so Bianca fases
Speaker 1: to mean it was five minutes. It was not very
Speaker 1: good and bi uncle one. Becky Lynch does a promo
Speaker 1: talking about how she used to be friends with Charlotte,
Speaker 1: but then you know Charlotte's selfish and horrible person, and
Speaker 1: so she's going to beat the p out of her
Speaker 1: at the pay per view. She gets interrupted by liv Morgan,
Speaker 1: who she's not facing at the pay per view. They
Speaker 1: have a long promo segment about how when Becky left
Speaker 1: she told Live that when I returned, You're gonna be
Speaker 1: the champion. But then she returned and Live wasn't the champion,
Speaker 1: and so she just gets buried by Becky. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: her performed. Crowds dead for this segment. They don't care
Speaker 1: about this Live Morgan character because why should they. I mean,
Speaker 1: she does underperformance storyline, and so Live calls her a name,
Speaker 1: slaps her, and they're gonna wrestle after Survivor Series. We
Speaker 1: had Orton yelling at Riddle for always getting involved in
Speaker 1: feuds that they're not a part of. It's led to
Speaker 1: this tree profits is his alpha academy. They just put
Speaker 1: over Otis like a monster. He just malls everybody and
Speaker 1: then his team loses. They pin Gable. We had Ray
Speaker 1: Masterio yelling at Adam Pierce about taking his son off
Speaker 1: the Survivor Series team, and so Pierce gets mad and
Speaker 1: signs him to a match with Bobby Lashley and by
Speaker 1: the way, to cut to the chase, Ray loses and
Speaker 1: so Adam Pierce removes him from the team. Okay, now listen, whatever,
Speaker 1: But you could have at least built up the match
Speaker 1: by saying, Ray, you're gonna face Lashly and if you lose,
Speaker 1: you're also off the team. Maybe five people would go,
Speaker 1: I gotta watch the match. Now, that's a big story.
Speaker 1: They didn't even say that. They just said the main
Speaker 1: event is Ray and Lashly. No STIPs, no nothing, the
Speaker 1: third hour of raw seconds right here, Okay, just to
Speaker 1: say that. I mean, if you wanted to actually have
Speaker 1: layers and make this a heel turned by Adam Pierce,
Speaker 1: that worked. He would have actually booked Lashly and it's
Speaker 1: something where theory they both got matches or they both
Speaker 1: were in there before the mysterios were But instead you
Speaker 1: don't do that, and you're booking this on the fly,
Speaker 1: and that's just even more annoying. If this is the
Speaker 1: direction you want to go with Pierce, put some layers
Speaker 1: into it instead of just having him come out there
Speaker 1: makes stupid decisions to make up for the fact that
Speaker 1: apparently he made stupid decisions. And what does it matter anyway,
Speaker 1: if these two are the gms of both brands. Queen
Speaker 1: Selena beat Nikki Ash in three minutes. The storyline is
Speaker 1: that Nikki Ashes one half of the women's Take Team champions,
Speaker 1: but she's a failure and a loser. It would be
Speaker 1: a detriment to the Survivor Series team. She ranks below
Speaker 1: Queen Selina and we had a rear Ripley defeating Carmela,
Speaker 1: so you know they traded wins because they're gonna fight
Speaker 1: for the tag team titles, not at Survivor Series, but
Speaker 1: down the road. Biggie was threatened by Adam Pierce not
Speaker 1: to get involved into Kevin Owens match, so he was
Speaker 1: a nice trooper, nice soldier. He did not get involved
Speaker 1: because the heel GM told him not to. Kevin Owens
Speaker 1: beat Finnbalor, besting on the show by a country mile.
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens one with the stunner clean in twelve minutes.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch one thing on the show. This is
Speaker 1: the only thing to watch. We had a j and
Speaker 1: Omas doing bad comedy. This led to a j Omas
Speaker 1: versus Rude and Ziggler. Ruten Ziggler were entitled contention. Like
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Here they got squashed two
Speaker 1: on one by Omas and then a j tag didn't
Speaker 1: hit the forum and one three minutes and then his
Speaker 1: note of the last half hour of the show. Ray
Speaker 1: Entrance commercial Survivor Series preview recap of Lashly and Dominic
Speaker 1: Bobby Lashlely Entrance n XT commercial, Raw Talk Plug Main
Speaker 1: Events starts commercial break and we come back for like
Speaker 1: eight minutes of the match, not even making this up,
Speaker 1: and uh, Bobby Lastly beat the heck out of him forever.
Speaker 1: Ray Mysterious screwed up his own six one nine. Bobby
Speaker 1: Lashley beat him with the yes lock. Adam Pierce came
Speaker 1: out and took Ray out of the match because he said,
Speaker 1: it's very important that Raw has a strong team. This
Speaker 1: is what the GM of Raw and SmackDown said. He's
Speaker 1: not the GM of Rice, gym of both brands, and
Speaker 1: so to make the team strong in storyline, he removes
Speaker 1: Ray Mysterio and he puts in Austin theory. So in storyline,
Speaker 1: it is a downward move. In reality, in terms of
Speaker 1: making an actual good match for the wrestling fans, it's
Speaker 1: a downward move. Everything about this was designed to make
Speaker 1: the show worse in storyline and real Life Survivor Series
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Everybody, get your peacock going now back in
Speaker 1: a moment Observer Live. Yeah, you're listening to Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: Live with Brian Alvarez and Mike semper viv on the
Speaker 1: Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. That was brutal. She'd been a
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for that whale suit just for that raw review,
Speaker 1: I said, through three hours of that show every week
Speaker 1: that's amazing too, is like whatever, what Usually they do
Speaker 1: a poor job building up any matches. This show they
Speaker 1: actually did a great job building up matches, but not
Speaker 1: for Survivor series. Well, the whole thing, the whole build
Speaker 1: has sucked. No build has been awful your Survivor series.
Speaker 1: There's not another w w E pay per view for
Speaker 1: like six weeks because they don't have a December pay
Speaker 1: per view. The next show after that is gonna be
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's what it should be. Don't do a
Speaker 1: December pay per view. And they at one point what
Speaker 1: was an Army Geddon and they were doing a different
Speaker 1: spin on that show to try to get people in. Look,
Speaker 1: just I don't see why December, in the month before
Speaker 1: rustle many you have to do that especially now with Peacock,
Speaker 1: where the numbers, the pay per view numbers of BIS
Speaker 1: don't matter. They're looking for content. You could put almost
Speaker 1: anything on there that's not first run. That's gonna cost
Speaker 1: you a bunch in production. Well, anyway, we're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: it up for today. Later tonight brianan Vinny and Craig
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Speaker 1: be talking the uh tonight. It's it's Full Gear where
Speaker 1: gonna talk to Granny and then review Full Gear. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and get the New Undertaker book to Granny.
Speaker 1: I got the library binding of a new Kids Undertaker
Speaker 1: book from like nineteen, so it's gonna cover almost all
Speaker 1: of his career. So we'll do that tonight. And as noted,
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