1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking Now the Prince of York, 2 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. I guess his last name is York. His 3 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: last name could be windsor doesn't matter. Prince Andrew, the 4 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: son of Queen Elizabeth, the monarch of Great Britain the Empire, 5 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: is now being sued in court by an American woman. 6 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Basis of the lawsuit sex abuse, not just sex abuse, 7 00:00:51,000 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: child sex abuse. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What's happening, Well, 8 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: hold onto your hat and take a listen to this. 9 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: She believes as I do, that no one, no president, 10 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: no Prime minister, no Prince of England, is above the law. 11 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many contacts you have, doesnt matter 12 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: who your family is, doesn't matter how much wealth you have. 13 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: You're not above the law. And no one, no matter 14 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: how young or vulnerable or powerless, is deprived to the 15 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: protection of the law. That is the bedrock principle of 16 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: American law, and I believe it's a bedrock principle of 17 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom from which we got our law. Well, 18 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: he's absolutely correct. That is well known renowned lawyer David Boys, 19 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: who was representing this woman, Virginia Jeffries in her lawsuit 20 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: against Prince Andrew. We America got our jurisprudence, our body 21 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: of law, our common law from Great Britain. That's where 22 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: we got the bedrock of our constitution. It's easier said 23 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: than done. Right, No one's above the law. Yeah, in principle, 24 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: but somehow Prince Andrew has managed to skirt many many claims. Again, 25 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy graceis is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 26 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: with us. You were just hearing Virginia Jeffries, lawyer David 27 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: boy speaking to ITV joining me an all star panel 28 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: to make some sense of what's going on, and to 29 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: although I'm sure they're not betting people like myself and 30 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: to given the odds, will Prince Andrew your slash windsor 31 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: you can't even get a brit to really tell you 32 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: his life name. I've asked, some say York, some say 33 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Windsor will he ever be brought to justice? What are 34 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: the odds that Queen Elizabeth's son is going to cowtow 35 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: to an American courtroom with me, high profile lawyer out 36 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: of Seattle and Bremner, author of Justice in the Age 37 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: of Judgment, And you can find her at and Bremner 38 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalist, joining us out 39 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: of la. You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall 40 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: dot com. She's a star of a new Netflix series 41 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: Netflix series Bleeding Empire. Death investigator forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, 42 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Professor forensics 43 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: Jacksonall State University, and he is now the star of 44 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: the Piketon Massacre, returned to Pike County on iHeart, but 45 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: first to a special guest joining us, Charlie Linkston sees 46 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: the editor of Female fe Nail at dailymail dot com, 47 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Trulie Langston. First of all, let's clear this up. Is 48 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: it Andrew York or Andrew Windsor. Technically the royal family's 49 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: name last name is Windsor, but they don't really use 50 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: a last name, So it's Prince Andrew or the Duke 51 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: of York, whichever you prefer. So if they were to 52 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: have to write a check, he would just write Andrew 53 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: like Sheer or Elvis or what would probably write Prince Andrew, 54 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: or he would write the Duke of York. But the 55 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: Royal family typically aren't cashing or writing many checks, nor 56 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: do they typically use credit cards. They have staff who 57 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: use credit cards on their behalf. Okay, then who was 58 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: paying the bills that night at tramps Bar? I very 59 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: much have I jumped ahead the night he was with 60 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: an underaged girl dancing and drinking, and his defense says, 61 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't sweat because of a war. And who paid 62 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: the bill that night? I would imagine that it was 63 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: either paid in cash or that he had someone with 64 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: him who paid. But you know, given that he says 65 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: he wasn't there, I very much doubt we're going to 66 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: be able to find a paper trail. Well, put, let's 67 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: cut forward to what's happening right now. I want you 68 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: to take a listen to the alleged victim in this case, 69 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts Jeffrey speaking to NBC. What happened the first 70 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: time in London? I was so young. Gillen wocome me 71 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: up in the morning and said, you're going to meet 72 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: a prince today. I didn't know at that point that 73 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: I was going to be trafficked to that prince. And 74 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: then that night Prince Andrew came to her house in 75 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: London and we went out. It's a club Tramp. Prince 76 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: Andrew got me alcohol. It was in the VIP section. 77 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: It was I'm pretty sure it was a vodka. Prince 78 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: Andrew's like, let's dance together, and I was like okay, 79 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: and we leave Club Tramp and I'd hop in the 80 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: car with Gleen and Jeffrey and Glen said, he's coming 81 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: back to the house and I want you to do 82 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: for him. Let you do for Epstein, you know, let 83 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: me go to Anne Bremner, high profile trial lawyer or 84 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: joining me out of Seattle and longtime friend. And you know, 85 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: you claim a lot of your clients are innocent, and 86 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: you know I disagree. But let's set our past differences 87 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: aside for just one moment. And when you're preparing for 88 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: trial and you're working with the witnesses and you ask 89 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: them to tell their story, one of the first things 90 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: I would do, probably for trial, of course, find my witnesses, 91 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: go to their home or their job or wherever they were, 92 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and get them without me leading them to tell me 93 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: their story. And I would look for detail. I would 94 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: look for story rich in detail. I don't I'm not 95 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: a dds. I don't like pulling teeth. I don't want 96 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: to say, well, what time was it? Well, who was there? Well, 97 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: do you hear her unsolicited giving detail like where we 98 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: were in the VIP section? It was alcohol? I think 99 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: it was vodka. And that morning Guillen Maxwell woke me 100 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: up and said you're going to meet a prince today. 101 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: And that night, leaving Tramp's Bar, she said, Andrew's coming 102 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: to the house. I want you to do for him 103 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: what you do for Epstein. The detail that she is 104 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: providing is very persuasive and Bremner, Oh, absolutely, Nancy, And 105 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: that's why you've always been a great prosecutor, that you've 106 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: been in a wonderful advocate for victims. That you have 107 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: the devils in the details. How can she make all 108 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: those things up? And she's details in recounting everything that's 109 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: happened with Prince Andrew. And she's been adamant about her 110 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: facts and details for a long time. You know that 111 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: supported too. I'm glad you mentioned that Anne Brewner. Very 112 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: often you'll see a victim or a witness's story differ. 113 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: I didn't say change, because a lot of times is 114 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: simply embellishing. For instance, the victim gives it or the 115 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: witness gives you the story and then later you may say, well, 116 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: wait a minute, how did you get there? And they add, oh, 117 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: I took a cab, or I hits to ride, or 118 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: I took a bus. So they're adding to the story, 119 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily changing their story. But Anne's right, I don't 120 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: believe Charlie links to joining us from dailymail dot Com. 121 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: I don't believe she's ever actually changed her story. She 122 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: may have added to it over time, but I don't 123 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: think she's ever changed it. No, the story has remained 124 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: incredibly consistent this entire time. As you said, she has 125 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: added more detail, tiny details, But for the most part, 126 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: the story she told right at the very beginning is 127 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: the story that she's still continuing to tell to day, 128 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: and it's the story that now serves as the basis 129 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: of this lawsuit Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, 130 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, she Virginia Jefferies, is now a 131 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: grown woman, a mom, and she's recounting something that happened 132 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: when she was a teen. You know, doctor Bethany Marshall, 133 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever went with my 134 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: girlfriends to a bar, and it was first to all 135 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: go dancing, and you know, I didn't drink didn't do drugs, 136 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: didn't smoke nothing. And I remember I remember what I 137 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: had on because I so carefully selected it, because I'd 138 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: never been somewhere to a bar where people were dancing, 139 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: And I remember I don't remember the name of the place. 140 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: I remember a very few people who were there, maybe 141 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: one or two. I remember general things about it, and 142 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, you know, I've seen it, danced, I 143 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: believe in and left. But I remember vague vaguely pretty 144 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: much what happened, and trying and if someone tried to 145 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: cross examine me on it right now, they could probably 146 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: do a really good job. But this woman is giving 147 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: a pretty detailed statement, Nancy. She's giving a detailed statement 148 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: because this was a very traumatic day in her life. 149 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: We think of trauma as a broaden umbrella, meaning what's 150 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: traumatic to you may not be traumatic to me. But Nancy, 151 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: being sex trafficked to a prince is a very traumatic event. 152 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: And this woman had already been sex trafficked to Jeffrey Epstein, 153 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: so she was collecting. She was a victim of what 154 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: we call cumulative trauma. Can you imagine being a miner 155 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: having a VOD conserved to you, being at this big 156 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: fancy nightclub, having one of the prince's up Great Britain 157 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: come and solicit you sexually. How can you forget any 158 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: detail of that night? And Nancy, just to go back 159 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: to history for a second. You keep saying, you know, 160 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: if Prince Andrew, Prince of York, is he a windsor 161 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: A little detail is that the royal family is actually 162 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: a German. Generally there's from Germany and that did not 163 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: go down so well during World War Two, so they 164 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: change their last names. So this is not the first 165 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: time that a royal has changing stories, changing details, whereas 166 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: Virginia Jeffreys, her story has not changed at all. Guys, 167 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: take a listen to more of Virginia Jeffrey speaking to 168 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: our friends at NBC. Virginia says the abuse moved from 169 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: the bathroom to a bedroom. He wasn't rude or anything 170 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: about it. He said, you know, thank you and some 171 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: kind of soft sentiments like that and left. I just 172 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that even royalty were involved. 173 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: She says. Prince Andrew abused her two more times, once 174 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: in New York in Epstein's mansion and again at his 175 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: virgin Island's estate. Prince Andrew of course denies that this 176 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: ever happened. He denies that had ever happened, and he's 177 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: going to keep denying that it ever happened. But he 178 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: knows the truth, and I know the truth. Well, we 179 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: were talking earlier. First of all, Jackie, did you hear that? 180 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: Did you hear that? DoD Dr bethany hold on? Let 181 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: me go to Charlie Likes? And did you hear that 182 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: he said thank you after the underage sex, which is rape? Well, 183 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, I guess the one thing that the royal 184 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: family always hangs on to is their etiquette and manners. So, okay, 185 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: did you actually just say that? Did she say that? 186 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: Because I think she did. Okay, Charlie Likes. I'm gonna 187 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: let you think for a moment about what you just said. 188 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: Guys say to listen to information we learned from Filthy 189 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: Rich on Netflix. I first met Prince Andrew March tenth, 190 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: two thousand and one in London at Gillen's townhouse. He 191 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: knocked on the door. He came inside Gillen's townhouse and 192 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: we're sitting there having tea. Ellen has his favorite guessing 193 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: game that she does. She goes to Prince Andrew, how 194 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: well do you think Virginia's and he said seventeen and 195 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you're right, and you know, they made 196 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: a little joke about it. He's like, oh, my daughters 197 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: aren't far from your age. You know. My daughter's a 198 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: little bit younger than you. We went out for the 199 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: night club Tramp in London and he dances and he's 200 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: profusely sweating over me and it was disgusting. And once 201 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: here's some more of Virginia Roberts. Take a listen to 202 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: our cudate. It ended with sexual abuse and intercourse and 203 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: then a pat on the back. You've done a really 204 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: good job, like you know, thank you very much, and 205 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: here's two hundred dollars. You know, before you know it, 206 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm being lent out to politicians and to academics and 207 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: to people that you royalty and people that you just 208 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: you would never think, like, how did you get into 209 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: that position of power in the first place if you're 210 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: this disgusting, evil, decrepit person on the inside. Let's go back. 211 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: Charlie LinkedIn joining me editor with dailymail dot com. Did 212 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: you hear the part where she said they played a 213 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: sort of guessing game with Andrew between Guillen Maxwell, Prince Andrew, 214 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: and Virginia Jeffreys talking about guests her age, and there 215 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: was no doubt Andrew knew she was seventeen, according to 216 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: this witness. Well, and I think you know, one of 217 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: the most shocking things there is that, you know, according 218 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: to Virginia, he then said, oh, you're not too far 219 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: off in age from my daughter. And the ironic thing 220 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: is that when Prince Andrew has spoken out to deny 221 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: all of Virginia's claims, he actually said that he was 222 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: with his daughter at a party, you know, not too 223 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: far outside of London, when Virginia says that all of 224 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: this went down. So, you know, if we are to 225 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: believe what Virginia said, it's awful to hear that not 226 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: only did he know exactly how old she was, but 227 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: that he knew that she was around the same age 228 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: as his own children. And that is just the most 229 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: horrifying thing to me. Yeah, the thing that she followed 230 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: up in the guessing game with the detail that he went, oh, 231 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: that's not much older then my daughter's. Clearly, if she 232 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: is to be believed, he knew she was under age. 233 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: In speaking of the party Prince Andrew claims he took 234 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: his daughters to instead of having under age sex, which 235 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: is rape. It's called statutory rate because if you're under age, 236 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: you cannot consent to sex in that vein. Take a 237 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: listen to our cut sixteen. This is Emily Matless speaking 238 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: to Prince Andrew. Listen, I have no recollection of ever 239 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: meeting her. I'm almost in fact, I'm convinced that I 240 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: was never in tramps with her. There are a number 241 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: of things that are wrong with that story, one of 242 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: which is that I don't know where the bar is 243 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: in Tramps. I don't drink. I don't think I've ever 244 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: bought a drink in tramp whenever I was there, do 245 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: you remember dancing at Trump? No, that couldn't have happened 246 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: because the date that there's being suggested, I was at 247 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: home with the children. Okay, so which isn't Charlie lankson 248 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: where jellymail dot com. Was he at home with his 249 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: two girls, Beatrice and Eugenie or was he at tramps? 250 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: I thought he said he was at a pizza party. Yes, 251 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: the story evolved to wait, wait, Charlie, Charlie, the story evolved. 252 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: It changed that's what evolved. Means it, Champs, that is 253 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: what evolved me. What's he story? Now he's not at 254 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: home putting Eugenie and Beatrice to bed. What's Sydney story. 255 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: He said that he took his daughter to a party 256 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: at a pizza restaurant called Pizza Express in Woking, which 257 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: is in Surrey, just outside of London. However, if even 258 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: if his story is accurate, the distance between Woking and 259 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: London would actually have allowed for him to make it 260 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: back to the city in order to go to a 261 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: nightclub later that evening. So, you know, I think many people, 262 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: both critics and Royal fans alike, have agreed that that 263 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: interview that Andrew did was a car crash. We also 264 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: have to, you know, highlight the fact that he said 265 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: he was actually unable to sweat because he suffered from 266 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: a kind of condition that he sustained while he was 267 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: fighting in the war. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, 268 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Charlie. Take a listen to our cut seventeen. 269 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: Once again, this is our friend in the BBC Emily Metlas. Listen. 270 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: She was very specific about that night. She described dancing 271 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: with you and you profusely sweating, and that she went 272 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: on to have possibly a slight problem. Was was was 273 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: the sweating because I have a peculiar medical position, which 274 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: is that I don't sweat, or I didn't sweat at 275 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: the time, and that was I wishing, Yes, I didn't 276 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: sweat at the time, because I had suffered what I 277 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands 278 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: War when I was shot at, and I simply it 279 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: was almost impossible for me to sweat. And it's only 280 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: because I have done a number of things in the 281 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: recent past that I'm starting to be able to do 282 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: that again. So I'm afraid to say that that that 283 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't 284 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: do it. So therefore, Nancy, can I jump in on 285 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: this one? Okay? I was, I was just letting it 286 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: so he got a shot of adrenaline and he can 287 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: know what to sweat. Is that even real? Definitely? Where 288 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: are you saying I want a jump job? Well, what 289 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: I can say is that he has drugged his daughter's 290 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: Beatrice and Eugenie into his own sexual predatory behaviors. He's 291 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: using them as shield or beard or whatever you want 292 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: to use. So not only has he violated Virginia Jeffreys Roberts, 293 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: but now he is using Beatrice and Eugenie as witnesses, 294 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: and he's gaining sympathy with the British audience by saying 295 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: he was shot at in the Falcons War and he 296 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: was so frightened and he had a shot at the 297 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: adrenaline that now he can't sweat. I mean, the whole thing. 298 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: Not only is it absurd, but just let it soak 299 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: in for a moment. To use your phrase that he 300 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: is using his own minor daughters in his defense. Well, 301 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because Charlie Lyston joining us 302 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: from Delhimel dot com. I understand that either Beatrice or 303 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: Eugenie were asked about that night. Do they confirm the 304 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: pizza party? They did not confirm it to the point 305 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: where it would be able to be used as evidence 306 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: in Andrew's defense. What do you mean by that? Essentially, 307 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: the girls don't have enough of a recollection of that 308 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: time to provide that father with any solid backup. And 309 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, at the time they were both young girls. 310 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't think if you were to ask me, I 311 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: don't think I could remember a pizza party that I 312 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 1: went to when I was younger. What do you mean 313 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: my younger at the time, they would have been around 314 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: early teens. I think he doesn't drive himself anywhere, and 315 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: he doesn't pay for anything. Wouldn't there be a record 316 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: of him being driven to this location. He does drive 317 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: himself to places. It does happen rarely, but he does 318 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: drive himself to places. However, it is highly unlikely that 319 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 1: he would have gone anywhere without some form of security. 320 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: You're right, he is a senior member of the royal family, 321 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: and yes, there should be a record. He should have 322 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: a record of someone being with him at the time. 323 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: But as we all know, Bucky and Palace has remained 324 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: completely silent on this matter. Other than Prince Andrew's car 325 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: crash to be on the BBC, they haven't said anything 326 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: to either defend or throw him under the bus crime 327 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: stories with me, it'sy grace. All I can say, Joe 328 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan is thank goodness for a photographic evidence. Take 329 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eighteen. This is Emily Matlas. 330 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: She was very specific. She described the dance that you 331 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: had together in tramp, She described meeting you. She was 332 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old girl meeting a senior member of 333 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: the royal family. Never happened. She provided a photo of 334 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: the two of you together. Your arm was around her waist. 335 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: You've seen the photo. I've seen the photo, girl, How 336 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: do you explain that? I can't because I don't have 337 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: no Again, I have absolutely no memory of that photograph 338 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: ever being taken. Well, I can tell you this, it 339 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: would be a cold a in hubl if I can't. 340 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: My husband David Lynch at a party without me and 341 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: his arm around eighteen girl in Oh, but listen, listen. 342 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: He has no memory of it. But then suddenly is 343 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: there a light at the end of the tunel? Take 344 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nineteen. Do you recognize yourself? 345 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: It's pretty difficult not to recognize yourself. Your friend suggested 346 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: that the photo is fake. I think it's from the 347 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: investigations that we've done. You can't prove whether or not 348 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: that photograph is faked or not, because it is a 349 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: photograph of a photograph of a photograph, So it's very 350 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: difficult to be able to prove it. But I don't 351 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: remember that parure I've ever been taken. But it's possible 352 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: that it was you, that's me. But whether that's my 353 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: hand or whether that's the position, but I don't. I 354 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: have simply no recollection. Oh well, I guess if he 355 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: doesn't remember it, Jackie, then it must not have happened. Okay. 356 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor for Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author 357 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet, Star of the Piked and 358 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: Massacre on iHeartRadio. I could go on and on, but 359 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: I want to get back to Andrew. Joe Scott. Joe Scott, 360 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: you know how every rape case goes, not everyone, but 361 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: many of them. First of all, it didn't happen. I've 362 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: never seen her. I don't remember her. I never met her. 363 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember her. Yes, she was at a party. 364 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: We met very briefly. Oh it's my seaman. You know what. 365 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: It's all coming back to me. We had say that 366 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: it was consensual. Oh, her torn dress and bruces. I 367 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: don't know how that happened. She's making the whole thing up. 368 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: It's a fake. Well, here we have a photo of 369 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: his arm around her. I think there's a drink in 370 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: the other hand. I can't remember the other hand. I'll 371 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: sue focus on the hand around her waist, and I 372 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: belus she's wearing a little Midgeft shirt and so it's 373 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: her bare skin. How is he going to get out 374 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: of that? Joe, Scott, You're I have no idea, you know, 375 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: you look at this thing, and you know you think, 376 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: you know. I kept waiting for him to say photoshop. 377 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: Of course he did, and he goes shop. Of course 378 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't. Somebody takes his photos for him. And oh 379 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: one other thing, by the way, is a prince. If 380 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: a prince shows up at Chuck e Cheese, I think 381 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: people are going to remember, all right, you know, going 382 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: back to this and again it's this web that he's 383 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: created over these years. And I don't necessarily know that 384 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: it's over these years. He might be a predator for 385 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: all I know. But you know, he said, we've we've 386 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: the investigation we've conducted into the photograph. Who's who's he 387 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: referring to? Does he have forensic analysts on staff that 388 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: are you know, really digging into this thing, digging into 389 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: the electronic media here trying to figure out if in 390 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: fact this is him. Give me a break. Well, I 391 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: know there's something very critical, show Scott Morgan. He never said, 392 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: we've proven it's a fake. Yeah, and he knows that 393 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: he would be that would in fact be a bold face. Well, okay, 394 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: I think I have the answer that Prince Andrew is 395 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: going to use to exonerate himself from this rate charge 396 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: underage sex. Take a listen to our cut twenty one. 397 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: This should just you know, close the book on this chapter. 398 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: So why would somebody have put in another hand? You 399 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: think it is you next to her in the photo? Oh, 400 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: it's definitely mean that's a that's a picture of me. 401 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: It's not a picture of I don't believe it's a 402 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: picture of me in London because when I would go 403 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: out to banyco Ice in London, I wear a suit 404 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: and a tie. What I would just grob is those 405 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: are my traveling clothes if I'm going to go, if 406 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm going overseas, there's a I've got plenty of photographs 407 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: of me dressed in those sorts of that sort of kit, 408 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: but not there Charlie Lankston, what is he talking about? Effectively, 409 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: He's now trying to say that if he's ever in 410 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: London and he's going out anywhere, he will dress smartly 411 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: in a suit, and that the outfit that he's wearing 412 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: in the image is only the kind of thing that 413 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: he would wear when he travels somewhere else and doesn't 414 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: need to look quite so official. Charlie and Lankston. I'm 415 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: pretty sure I heard him say the words those are 416 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: my traveling clothes. So does he have another set of 417 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: clothes that he wears to travel? Essentially, he's just saying 418 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: that the casual nature to the outfit, you know, Yeah, 419 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: the casual nature of the outfit is something that he 420 00:27:53,800 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: would only wear while traveling. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, 421 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany plays out me have I finally lost my mom? 422 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: As so long has been accused. His defense is I 423 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: was wearing my traveling clothes, and that's impossible. What are 424 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: traveling clothes? What is he talking about? Oh, how I 425 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: wish I go. When I go into London, I have 426 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: to look official, but when I go to another country, 427 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: I don't have to look quite so nice, very degrading 428 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: towards I'm going to slum it to other countries, which 429 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense because if he's a senior member of 430 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: the royal family, if he's going on a private plane, 431 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: don't you think he's going to step off that plane 432 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: as a suit and tie to greet other officials. I mean, 433 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: I think you know. I watched the whole interview this morning, 434 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 1: and one of the things he can disaster for him 435 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: link it is a disaster name. You know what if 436 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: I ever questioned my husband and he looked like Prince 437 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Anew Andrew blinking rapidly and shaking his head from side 438 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: to side, I would be side. I'd be like, you're lying, 439 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: You're lying lying. So how does this young girl, Virginia 440 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: Jeffries and many others, I might add, find herself in 441 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: this position? To start with? This is all brought to 442 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: a head because of a pr disaster for Prince Andrew 443 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: with a legal twist. He has just been named in 444 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit by Virginia Jeffries claiming that he had 445 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: sex with her when she was under age. All of 446 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: his denials are not working. One after the next after 447 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: the next has been this protein needs to stop talking, 448 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: But it's too late for that. So how does this 449 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: young girl, a very pretty articulate team girl find herself 450 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: in bed with Prince Andrew? According to her, Well, it 451 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: all started in Palm Beach. Take a listen to our 452 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: cut two. This is from the BBC with Virginia Jeffreys. 453 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts went to Epstein's Palm Beach home for the interview. 454 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: Kailyn walks me up the stairs and then there's this 455 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: naked guy laying on a massage table in the middle 456 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: of the room. So although there was this naked man 457 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: laying on a table, I thought, okay, well, this is 458 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: just how they do it. I suppose he looked up 459 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: at Keilyn, so she's like, Okay, here's the lotions, here's 460 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: the oils. Put your lotions and oils on your arm. 461 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: Always keep your hand on the person you're massaging, and 462 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: start with one foot and you and she'll get the 463 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: other foot and then we'll work together. So you just 464 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: mimicked my movements. So anyways, that thought went fleeting from 465 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: my head like that was strange because we're doing this 466 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: massage now and there you have a teen girl around 467 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,479 Speaker 1: I guess fourteen fifteen years old who was confronted with 468 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: a naked Jeffrey Epstein and his pimp, Gillan Maxwell, who's 469 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: now awaiting her own trial. It's always been a he say, 470 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: She say, Jeffries versus Prince Andrew, Jeffreys versus Epstein, Jeffrees 471 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: versus Gillan Maxwell until a new Bobshell is there finally 472 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: a witness. Take a listen to our cut twenty seven 473 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: from our friends at the BBC. Epstein's housekeeper also in 474 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: a Florida called legal deposition, so that you visited the 475 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: Palm Beach residence around four times a year. You've got 476 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: a daily massage all times a year. That was what 477 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: he said in a Florida called legal deposition. I'm just wondering, 478 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: when you look back now, is there a chance that 479 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: those massages might have been the services of someone who 480 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: was being sexually exploited or trafficked by Epstein? No, I 481 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: don't think, I mean, I know, definitely not, definitely, And 482 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: I definitely did not visit his Palm Beach house three 483 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: or four times a year, Absolutely not. How many times 484 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: would you say, visited in total? Probably four times in 485 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: total throughout the time that I knew him, do you? 486 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: Tarlie Langston joining us from Daily Mail. Isn't it true 487 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: that Prince Andrew continued his special relationship with perr of 488 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein even after Epstein was charged with sex with 489 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: young girls yeah, I mean there are pictures of the 490 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: two of them walking together in Central Park, which you 491 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: know Andrew then later said it was because he wanted 492 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: to have a face to face conversation with Epstein to 493 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: tell him that they could no longer have face to 494 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: face conversations. But even after all of these allegations were 495 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: made against Epstein, Andrew did not cut off contact with him. 496 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: He continued to have a relationship with him. Yeah, I 497 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: want to go to you and Bremer, a high profile 498 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: lawyer out of Seattle. Now you've got a housekeeper or 499 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: an employee of Epstein's naming Andrew is coming to the 500 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: Palm Beach home, the mansion of Epstein, four times a year. 501 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily how many times he's been coming, it's 502 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: the fact that why was he there to start with? Well, absolutely, 503 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: in a cardinal rule, you know, a nancy of the 504 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: royal family has been He's never never explained. And yet 505 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew's now between a rock and a hard place 506 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: because he's been explaining and explaining and Samori explains it, 507 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: then does it makes sense? But then he's not cooperating 508 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: where there's evidence, there's a photograph that's not my hand. 509 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: But that's me. You know, I had his house four times. 510 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: I all the young girls in New York and Palm 511 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: Beach were quote unquote servants. I don't sweat and have 512 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: all these pictures of sweating. You know that we're posted 513 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: after what they call a car crash interview. So there's 514 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: a case and because he has not cooperated, because he 515 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: is protested and said I will cooperate, but he never has. 516 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: He now has a lawsuit against him out of New 517 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: York with an excellent lawyer through David Boys, for Virginie 518 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 1: Roberts and also in the criminal investigation. They're talking about 519 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: him as somebody at least a witness of interest. Well, 520 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: you're right. According to Boys, they've tried and tried to 521 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: get cooperation from Prince Andrew take house of our friend 522 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: Juju Shang at abcr at thirty seven. David Boys is 523 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: one of the attorneys representing Jufrey. We reached out to 524 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: Brigandu and his lawyers several times so in the last 525 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: five years to try to resolve this issue without the 526 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: necessity of litigation. They have just consistently stone walled. Guffrey 527 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: is now seeking unspecified compensatory and punitive damages, arguing that 528 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: the Prince intentionally caused her emotional distress. Well, where is 529 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew right now? Well, as you may guess, he's 530 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: hiding behind his mommy's skirts. Take a listen to our 531 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: cut forty one Molly huntre NBC this morning. Prince Andrew 532 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: is on vacation with the Queen, arriving at her Balmoral 533 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: Castle with his ex wife Sarah Ferguson. But his accuser, 534 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts Stuffrey is not letting up her high profile 535 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: lawyer David Boyce turning up the heat. Prince Andrew is 536 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 1: going to have to now speak. He can't ignore court process. 537 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: He can ignore me, he can ignore my client, he 538 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: could ignore other victims and their lawyers, but he can't 539 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: ignore the court. Yeah. Charlie Langston joining US Dailymail dot 540 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: Com on the story from the get go. How the 541 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: risk taking this? Well, I think you know the majority 542 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: of people in the UK are horrified and there is 543 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: increasing pressure for Andrew to speak up, speak to lawyers 544 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: and get involved in this case. You know, as we 545 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: just heard, he has promised time and time again to cooperate. 546 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: He has said that when the law requires him to 547 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: he will speak to investigators, and yet for some reason 548 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: he has repeatedly refused to do so. Not to mention, 549 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: this is now dragging the royal family even further into scandal. 550 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: It has not been an easy few years for the 551 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: royal family. It has especially not been an easy few 552 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: years for the Queen, and her son is now once 553 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: again casting a huge cloud over the monarchy at a 554 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: time when, to be quite frank, they can't deal with 555 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: any more drama. So I think the general feeling in 556 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: the UK is that Andrew needs to own up to 557 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: everything that's happened, and if he is indeed innocent, then 558 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: he needs to prove so in court of law. How 559 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: much is he getting paid? I mean, I know all 560 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: the royals have a home provided for them, security, their 561 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: clothes are paid for, their food is paid for, they 562 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: live in a mansion. I mean, if I were a 563 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: brit I would be sick of paying for him when 564 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: he's out gallvanting like this having sex with under age girls. Well, 565 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: and we also we also should mention that his legal 566 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: fees will be paid for him through the the money 567 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: that is given to the monarchy, you know, so effectively 568 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: Queen pays for his legal fees. Oh yeah, the money 569 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: that they don't get me wrong. I love Queen Elizabeth, 570 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: I loved Diana, I love William, I love Kate, I 571 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: love their family. I want the very very best for them. 572 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: I think many of them worked tirelessly for Great Britain. 573 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: But I'd be infuriated if I were a brit paying 574 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: for Andrew to go dance at club tramp. Well, where 575 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: will it in? Take a listen to our cut fifty. 576 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: This case is not going away for Junior gu Free 577 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: is not going to go away, and I'm not going 578 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: to go away. This case is going to go forward. 579 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: Whatever obstacles they try to put in front of us, 580 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: we will overcome once this case goes to court. It 581 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: has now gone to court. Their ability to Stowe law 582 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: has ended. They can still delay, but they can't escape 583 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: the inevitable. And the inevitable is a jury trial as 584 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: to who's telling the truth here, what the facts are, 585 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: and that is something that I have a lot of 586 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: confidence is going to go forward. We wait as justice unfolds. 587 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye for him