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Speaker 1: year's NWSL Coach of the Year, Racing Louisville's Bevanez. We

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Speaker 1: Plus another attempt at sorry it's core season and wake up, babe,

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Speaker 1: right after this welcome back slices, here's what you need

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Speaker 1: but the player can negotiate different terms. Both restricted and

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Speaker 1: Richard Cohen wrote an excellent story for her Hoopstats breaking

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Speaker 2: What I've realized through all of this is, you know,

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Speaker 2: So it's more of that, it's more of those interactive pieces.

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Speaker 1: Team building exercises can feel very corny unless it works.

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Speaker 2: right something as simple as scanning, checking to receive which

433
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: foot you're playing. So I really enjoyed that aspect of

434
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: I felt like I was growing and becoming a better

435
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 2: player through coaching these young individuals, analyzing the game, running

436
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: tactical analysis within the business, et cetera. That the calling

437
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: came when I was ready to start a family and

438
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: had to pick at that point because there was no

439
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 2: other option, so chose to start a family and knew

440
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: at that point I'm putting the boots up. And this

441
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: has been a passion of mine for so long, So

442
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: very grateful to say that I was very passionate about

443
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 2: what I did and retired from the game and get

444
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: to do a very similar passion in a different capacity.

445
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,959
Speaker 2: But it's always been in me. I've always enjoyed the connections,

446
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: not only with people because it is a people industry,

447
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 2: but also the yeah, the deep dive into the game,

448
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: all the games intricacies, not only from an individual standpoint,

449
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: but how to get a group to want to play

450
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 2: together and execute those beliefs in a style that we

451
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: know that they're capable of. So it's definitely always been

452
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: there for sure.

453
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of a wild story actually about

454
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: one of the sparks for coaching for you was when

455
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: you were in Japan. So you're also to play for

456
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: Skyblue for another season, when the Women's Professional Soccer League folds.

457
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: You're just a couple of weeks out from the start

458
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: of the season, but tickets and hotel rooms have already

459
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: been bought for this preseason trip to Japan. So a

460
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: bunch of you end up going. The team says we

461
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: already have this, we can't get the money back. We

462
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: send you out there, and you get called into camp

463
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: for Japanese team. While you're out there, you end up

464
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: on the roster, You fly your fiance out and while

465
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: you're there, you realize that you're behind on understanding a

466
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: lot of technical stuff, a lot of the ways that

467
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: they see the game. And you said in an interview

468
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: that was sort of one of the first sparks for like, Oh,

469
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: like I kind of want to maybe get into this

470
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: coaching thing as I'm watching how they are coaching their

471
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 1: players differently.

472
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, the players were coaching me. I couldn't speak Japanese,

473
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 2: the coach didn't speak English. There was one other American

474
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: player alongside me during that time, out of a roster

475
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 2: of maybe twenty five twenty six players, one also spoke.

476
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 2: One particular individual spoke English as well from her time

477
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: spent over here in the US. But I was really

478
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: forced for the first time to assess, like, who am I,

479
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: what am I good at? Because I didn't have a

480
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 2: coach to get any sort of feedback from right, but

481
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: respected the way he ran the sessions, respect the challenges

482
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: that he presented to us individually and collectively, to the

483
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: point that I'm like, wow, I feel so behind from

484
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: my technical and tactical understanding of the game. But I

485
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: was coach. After every session, we had magnets with our

486
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: faces on them, and after every session they would move

487
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: my magnet and say like, basically, this is what we

488
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: want from you. And I understood it through that and

489
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: then also understood it through a passing pattern. I had

490
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: to put myself three players back assess one touch there,

491
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: two touch there. Okay, now it's round two. What's going

492
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 2: to change? I had to step back and look at

493
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: because I couldn't ask, I couldn't explain what's changed here,

494
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: you know. So I really learned a lot about myself,

495
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: how to be a little bit more observational, how to

496
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: sit back and understand the expectations. But it almost gave

497
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: me a different lens in a view to the game

498
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 2: that I could see what was going on and then

499
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: see myself within the environment and then also understand you know,

500
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: that was the first time I was really challenged in

501
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: my career to play a different position. And I grew

502
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: up playing midfield, whether it was a six or the

503
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: ten more predominantly, and then was asked to play the

504
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: nine during my time there, so played a different position.

505
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: Didn't have much belief in my ability to be able

506
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: to do that. In two months in changed my mentality,

507
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: committed to the position, and ended up being the first

508
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: foreign player to ever win a Golden Boot in the league.

509
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: So I realized, d yeah, not to but I realized

510
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: through that experience how much those types of motivations, those

511
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: pieces essentially meant to me as a player. And now reflecting,

512
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: I try and look at that a lot in my

513
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: leadership position.

514
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I mean wanting to give that to other players,

515
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: wanting to open up the way they see the game,

516
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: kind of like open the aperture and let in a

517
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: little bit more light on all the different aspects that

518
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: you've learned yourself. You also got to go through this

519
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: US Soccer program. You were one of the first people

520
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: to benefit from this initiative that US Soccer did with

521
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 1: the NWSL allowing current and former players to enroll in

522
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: a C licensed coaching class, and you did that in

523
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Then in twenty twenty one, another scholarship via

524
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: similar initi have, this time for a B licensed coaching class.

525
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: Did those programs sort of give the bridge that you

526
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: needed from the spark in Japan to the individual coaching

527
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: you were doing while playing and being able to pick

528
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: up as a coach right after you left the league.

529
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely incredible platform that I got to be a

530
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: part of, an incredible opportunity. I think it gave me

531
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: the chance to say, like, this is something I'm passionate about,

532
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: but like, am I like good at it? Is this

533
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: something I could like actually pursue. It gave me the

534
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: environment to test kind of my communication skills, my leadership skills,

535
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: my ability to develop a session, my ability to make

536
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: sure that that session had a theme and outcome, What

537
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: were its learnings? How do I check for the understanding?

538
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: It gave me like a totally different perspective. And I

539
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: think when you're a player and you show up and

540
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: you see cones laid out, you're very focused on your

541
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 2: individual preparation for a training session, you want to walk

542
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: away of course, always feeling like, hey, I did my

543
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: best today, right, and I played well. I trained well today.

544
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: But you never ever process, and you could never ask

545
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: for a player to process what goes into it. I

546
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: mean we're discussing every morning we're a balls being passed

547
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 2: in from. Are we going to have it alternating so

548
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: they don't get stuck into receiving the ball from one

549
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: side right? Where are they coming in from? Are we

550
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: going to rotate teams? Are we going to compete for

551
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: a point in this exercise? What do we want to

552
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 2: see from them from an in possession perspective and an

553
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: out of possession? Who's going to coach? What who's going

554
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: to have touch points with certain individuals on them wanting

555
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: to face forward play forward? There is so much to

556
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: it that it's hours and hours and hours of planning

557
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: and the players show up and just see a session

558
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: and then they decide based off of that is it

559
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: a good session or not? And did I train well

560
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: or not? Right? So changing that whole perspective, but also

561
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: being able to sit in my position and not expect

562
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: them to understand something I never thought of. I know

563
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: they're not going to think of those things. I know

564
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: there's players that are maybe not passionate about that being

565
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: a part of their next step and their career at

566
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: some point. So I think I use a lot of

567
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: that to understand again like why I enjoyed playing, what

568
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: was it about it that I enjoyed, But also to

569
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: understan the players a bit more in depth. And I

570
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: think that's the most extraordinary part about it.

571
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: Probably helped while you were playing and certainly made it

572
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: easy for you to make the transition as soon as

573
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: you retired. You know, soccer's coaching license is pretty different

574
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: from other pro sports, both at domestic and international levels,

575
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: and also can be very expensive, like thousands of dollars

576
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: to get these certifications. So what exactly do they teach?

577
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Is it more x's and o's. Is it safety and protection?

578
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: Like what is the majority of what you're getting from

579
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: those licenses?

580
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I'll speak a bit more about my

581
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: recent one from the pro course, And I think the

582
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: pro course is just understanding a bit more about who

583
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: you are. Right. We have a particular individual that comes

584
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: in and teaches a bit more of like meditation, how

585
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: to sit in like a nice space, how to understand,

586
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: how to be the best version of yourself and how

587
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: to have the clear headspace to be able to you know,

588
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: act almost as performers as well. Right, a lot of

589
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 2: the athletes are seen as the performers, but the coaches

590
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: have to be in a nice head space to make

591
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: the right decisions on whether there's a sub or a

592
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: tactical change. So seeing us as formers as well also

593
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: providing us, you know, opportunities to hear from other people

594
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: in the business. You know, what have they done, where

595
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: did they feel that they got it wrong? What are

596
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: their learning lessons from that? And I think it was

597
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: a great opportunity to more focus on who we are,

598
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: what type of leaders we are, why we are that way.

599
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: And then the earlier courses are a bit more about

600
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: like the foundation of a session, what is your primary objective,

601
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: what is your primary focus and how are you getting

602
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: that out of the group. Within that a bit more

603
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: of your recognization of periodization. You can't go too hard

604
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: four days in a row. Why would you do a

605
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: light session, why would you do a medium session, Why

606
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: would you do those spaces? What types of excels details

607
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: are you looking for versus high speed running? So it's

608
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: a lot There's a lot that goes into it, and

609
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: it's based off of each level being a bit more

610
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: narrowed focus to at the end in that pro course

611
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: being the highest license understanding who you are now, how

612
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: do you apply.

613
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: All of that nwslsie's a lot of coach turnover. In

614
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: the last year, eleven teams out of sixteen have had

615
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: a change in head coach. Does it feel like normal

616
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: part of pro sports culture or does the NWSL kind

617
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: of seem like an outlier to you when it comes

618
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: to just the frequency of those changes.

619
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: No, I think across the board you're seeing it, aren't

620
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: you in a lot of different sports, not just football

621
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: and not you know, just a specific league. I think

622
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: you know it's it's really important. I think one of

623
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: the biggest pieces through the pro course that I learned

624
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: was they did a big chunk on interviews, the interview process,

625
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: how to describe who you are, what you would bring

626
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: to an environment, but also the recognition of like, throughout

627
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: the interview process, who would you be working with? Who

628
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: is this individual? What is there a role within the organization?

629
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: And I think they did a fantastic job about educating us.

630
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 2: Outside of my experiences currently and my experiences in the

631
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: past of you know, who are you around, what would

632
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: it look like, what is the expectations for you in

633
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: this role at this specific club. Everything's different, and I

634
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: think being very intentional about that is really important to understand.

635
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: And one of the big things they said in the

636
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: pro course that I'll never forget was who would you

637
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: spend your worst day with? If you can answer that

638
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: throughout your interview process, it could potentially help guide you.

639
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's not going to be the end all,

640
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: be all factor, but just yeah, being very intentional about

641
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: what it looks like to be in the right place.

642
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: Who with the team would you spend your worst day with?

643
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: Meaning like art, will you have allies and resources?

644
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, yes, Yeah.

645
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: It sounds like you think that the issue of turnover

646
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: is as much about potentially the wrong hires to begin with,

647
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: Like the right questions aren't being asked on either side

648
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: to set up for success.

649
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's always a mix, isn't it,

650
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: Because and then it's always based off asking the right questions.

651
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: What is success to you? If success is in three

652
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: months time, you know, or is success for you in

653
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: four years time? This is what you want? You want

654
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: to be a top five club, right, So I think

655
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: that there's also the understanding of all those pieces and

656
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: those questions. I have realized the importance of them. Shared expectations, Yeah,

657
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: shared expectations for sure.

658
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: When you led Racing to the postseason last year, you

659
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: were the first American woman at the Helm for a

660
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: playoff team since twenty thirteen. How much pride do you

661
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: take and maybe how much pressure do you feel and

662
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: being example of female presence on the sideline of player

663
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: to coach, pipeline of something that a lot of folks

664
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: clamored for in this league, particularly after the investigations and

665
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: sort of the uprooting of a lot of old patterns.

666
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, very grateful. Didn't know any of these

667
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: facts until post all of this started coming out. I'm like, wow,

668
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: I had no idea.

669
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: It's nice to be the first and not be aving

670
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: for it. It just happened.

671
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think that, you know, that's

672
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: kind of the outlook that I try to take. You know,

673
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: you want something so bad in the sense that you know,

674
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: I wanted the group to make playoffs for the first time,

675
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: not because I was at the Helm of making playoffs

676
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: for the first time as a head coach, but because

677
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: I genuinely believe the group deserved it right. And you

678
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: don't often get to say that also is what happens right.

679
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: It could be six years time that you say it,

680
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: but you say, for the past six years, I've been

681
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: telling myself they deserve this right, and I think that's

682
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: the most important piece to me. I'm not in this

683
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: industry for accolytes. I'm not in this industry because I

684
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: believe I'm the best at what I do. I still

685
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: think I have a ton to learn. I'm willing to learn,

686
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm willing to put in the work. But I'm in

687
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: this industry because I care about these players. I care

688
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: about their experience, I care about their development. I care

689
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: about this coaching staff, having the right people around me

690
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: that someday hopefully have big ambitions and big goals, and

691
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: being a small percentage of what that growth looks like.

692
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: And I care a lot about this league. I've been

693
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: a part of the progressions as a player, and now

694
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: to be a part of the progressions as a coach

695
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: is something I value very heavily. So for me, it's

696
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: never about the pressure. And it sounds very odd because

697
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: This is a very pressured industry, but it is what

698
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: it is, it will be what it is. And you know,

699
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: I always say, you know, if I get let go tomorrow,

700
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: they'll find a new head coach in two days. Right.

701
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: I am a mother at home and I'm irreplaceable at home,

702
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: and I want to be true to who I am.

703
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 2: I want to lay my head down every night and

704
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: say I've given this the best. I'm making the best

705
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: decisions that I can and that's all I can say.

706
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: So I feel very proud in that sense, and I

707
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: alleviate the pressure because there's going to be people that

708
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: continue to come along and exceed even more expectations, and

709
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm just excited to be a part of that and

710
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: watch those journeys you mentioned.

711
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: You're just a couple of years in as a head coach.

712
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Who's your number one call if you have some problem

713
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: you can't quite get to the root of some mentor

714
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: some longtime coach, someone from the biz that you're like,

715
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: I need to get a different perspective on this. Who

716
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: you calling?

717
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, To be honest, I've got a few of them,

718
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: in the sense that I'd probably reach out to people

719
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: for different things, different mentors for different things. Someone maybe

720
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: removed from the game, not necessarily a head coach, would

721
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: give me like a totally different type of perspective potential

722
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: head coaches that obviously you know I've played for. There's

723
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: there's an array of individuals. And I don't mean that

724
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: in the sense of I know a million people and

725
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to have a lot of connections, but

726
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: more of, like I've tried to have genuine connections in

727
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: the sense of, if it's something specific to this area,

728
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: I know I'd go to this person. If it was

729
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: specific to this area, I'd go to this person. But

730
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: I think it's important to have that.

731
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: And they call it your board of directors.

732
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

733
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: You need a personal board of directors that who's going

734
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: to be the most honest, who's going to be the

735
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: most supportive, who's going to be the most critical. But

736
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: it's going to be exactly what I need to hear,

737
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: like exactly you have all of those? Do you also

738
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: see your youth though, as an advantage just a few

739
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: years older than something of your players and they know

740
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: that you were just in that position not long ago.

741
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's a very fine line for me. I

742
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: think One of the big things I kept telling myself

743
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: is to not put myself in a position where it's like,

744
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: when I played, I did this, like no one wants

745
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: to play for head coach. It's like, oh, I just

746
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: did this recently, so hey try this. So I'm very

747
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: intentional about not saying that just because I feel like

748
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: it would annoy me. But yeah, I mean, look, I

749
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: try to be a relatable type of individual in the

750
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: way that I speak. I engage the players, but not

751
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: because I know best, and I think that's really important.

752
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm a very vulnerable type of leader. And look, in

753
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, I'm like I wasn't and in twenty

754
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: twenty five I was vulnerable and we ended up making history.

755
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: Now can I do the same thing again and expect

756
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: the same results? No, I can't. What is my evolution

757
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: now as a leader? When to be vulnerable, when to

758
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: be and when to not, when to challenge a bit more?

759
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: Maybe right, But I'm a very I'm not claiming to

760
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: know everything, And I think that was a big thing

761
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: for me. I really didn't enjoy people playing for people

762
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: that were like, do this, and it's like, but why,

763
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: because I didn't want to explain why right, I'm okay

764
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: that if I said, I'm in front of and explain

765
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: and go, yeah, yeah, I did say this, But we

766
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: could probably adjust a bit here and you know, meet

767
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 2: a little bit. You're You're probably right. There's some things

768
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: I don't budge on. They know that I'll say that.

769
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: There's things I'm not going to budge on, but there's

770
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: things that I definitely feel that collaboration is really important.

771
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that leadership's going in that direction because

772
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: it just makes sense, and that's what people want to

773
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: feel respected and a part of it, and then they

774
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: want to give you your all. And as an athlete,

775
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: that's what I always wanted from coaches as opposed to

776
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: just being told what to do. So it's great that

777
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: you're helping lead the charge. You know, I'm wondering understanding

778
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: what these players are feeling having just been in their shoes,

779
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: even though the league has certainly changed a lot in

780
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: just a couple of years since you retired. What's your

781
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: pitch to keeping players stateside in the NWSL.

782
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just a little bit off of that

783
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: is it's no longer the area of air of hey

784
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: get on the line, go from here to there, and

785
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: you're not going to get why. You're going to get why.

786
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: So embrace that and be okay with that. It's not

787
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: a challenge because you know, they don't think you're good

788
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: at what you do. They just want more context to understand,

789
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: and you provide more context. I'm big on over communication

790
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: and education. Educate them them, over communicate them to them

791
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: and they go, okay, I'm bought in. I know where

792
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: we're headed. We're going to be the most fit team

793
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: in the league, right And I think that's a big

794
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: piece of it, is embracing that versus resisting it. And

795
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: you know, I really value that in an environment and

796
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: I think, look, this is the most competitive league. In

797
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: my opinion, this is the most competitive league in the world.

798
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: I think on any given day you're set up against

799
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: someone that it could go either way. I think it's

800
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 2: quite entertaining to be watching these football matches to let

801
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: alone being a head coach of one of the teams

802
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: in the league. You just never know what to expect.

803
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: I mean, you saw our last match. Four pks in

804
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: one game. You really don't know. And I think it's

805
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: because of that. I think continuing to keep that competitive

806
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: balance is really important.

807
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for those who aren't familiar, you know,

808
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: there's some really great teams across the pond, but then

809
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: the drop off is pretty severe. So there's a lot

810
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: of gimmis and then a handful of really competitive matches.

811
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: And the NWSL does pride itself on parody and we

812
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: are sure we're seeing that off the top this year

813
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: with a lot of surprises of where people are sitting

814
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: on the table early on. What do you make of

815
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: the high Impact Player rule that you know, obviously nwsl'

816
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: is using in part to keep their talent. How do

817
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: you think that impacts roster building for teams?

818
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think it's it's an approach right now

819
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: that the league is taken to continue to assess, obviously

820
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: with the salary cap that we have, how to keep talent,

821
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: big talent here in the US. And I'm excited to

822
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: see what it looks like this year obviously its first

823
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: year being rolled out, and what that looks like for

824
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: teams and where the spending and it's just the organization

825
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: behind the scenes to see where that's distributed, how it's distributed,

826
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm just really curious more than anything to

827
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: see how it goes this year.

828
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: You mentioned getting to be a little bit more of

829
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: yourself last year and heading into this season and have

830
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: more of your own leadership style, which you mentioned was

831
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: glass half full. I thought you were going to say

832
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: you just like to drop f bombs and you wanted

833
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more of that person and

834
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: a little bit less of the stereotypical leader accidental f

835
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: bombs in front of the kids. Are we doing that

836
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: at home? Or have you perfected that? Like two separate

837
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: languages depending on where you are thing, Because as a

838
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: radio host that used to do live radio who also

839
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: swears a lot, I really had it down like it

840
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: was never happening on the air, but it was happening

841
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: all the time off the air.

842
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I don't know where I've gotten this. I

843
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: do know my dad for sure. I do know I'm lying,

844
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: and yeah I can't. It's happening everywhere, and every time

845
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to resist it and pay a

846
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: bit more attention to it, it's gone. So yeah, it's

847
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: at home. My husband would prefer it not to be

848
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: at home. It's at home, it's at work, it's in film,

849
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: it's everywhere. So yeah, sorry about that.

850
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: I believe in a well placed f bomb. Sometimes it's

851
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: the right word for the moment. So I get that

852
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: it just.

853
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: Excites everything, doesn't it. It's almost like a period at

854
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: the end of the sentence or an exclamation where you

855
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 2: could use it however you want.

856
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they do actually say that there's a part

857
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: of your brain that fires up in moments of using

858
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: swears it because it feels and so it does impact

859
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: people differently than any other word. And of course your

860
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: viral speech from last year had a lot of them.

861
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: And then you put the earmuffs on the kid in

862
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: the huddle, which I appreciated. You mentioned your husband, You've

863
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: been married to your high school sweetheart. I mean, dating

864
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: sets fourteen is such a long time to enjoy someone's

865
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Speaker 1: company or get super annoyed with them. So what's your secret?

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Speaker 1: What's your secret to meeting someone at fourteen and loving

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Speaker 1: them at thirty seven?

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, this year we will have been married for

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Speaker 2: fourteen years. We will have been together for twenty four

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Speaker 2: We dated for about ten years before we got married

871
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Speaker 2: back in twenty twelve, before leaving to Japan. But yeah, there, look,

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Speaker 2: we were a big fan of each other's dreams. He

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Speaker 2: wanted to play professional soccer. I did too. That was

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Speaker 2: where we first hit it off, in like six period

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Speaker 2: pe playing soccer, playing soccer every day of the week

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Speaker 2: with our friends, two shoes as goals on the end

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Speaker 2: on the grass, and then stream lights came on it

878
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Speaker 2: was time to go home right back in that type

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Speaker 2: of setting, and it was always like, you go to

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Speaker 2: the college you feels best for you. I'm going to

881
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Speaker 2: go to the college I feels best for me, and

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Speaker 2: if things continue to work, it was meant to be.

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Speaker 2: And we always believed in that, and I think ultimately

884
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Speaker 2: we were best friends and I think that's lost a

885
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Speaker 2: little bit in today's world. Is we're best friends. First,

886
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Speaker 2: we have an amazing relationship. We laugh all the time together.

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Speaker 2: He's literally my best friend. And I also am very

888
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Speaker 2: much so in love with him. So the foundation of

889
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Speaker 2: our relationship has always been very strong. And to see

890
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Speaker 2: him as a dad, my gosh to two girls, I mean,

891
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Speaker 2: he is a girl dad. He is the best dad

892
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Speaker 2: in the world. To watch him interact on how much

893
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Speaker 2: those girls love him. Look, I'm just so grateful he

894
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: gave up his pursuit of the playing professionally back in

895
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Speaker 2: about twenty ten or so and joined my journey and

896
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Speaker 2: has been my support system since then. So I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be here without him. I wouldn't be who I am

898
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Speaker 2: without him. So to continue to say that and to

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Speaker 2: be able to, yeah, just enjoy our for the rest

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Speaker 2: of our lives. I'm so excited and every year it

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Speaker 2: just it's exciting for me. It doesn't ever feel old.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: You've also opened up about some of the struggles you

905
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Speaker 1: and your husband have had suffering miscarriages last summer and

906
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: the summer before. Were you surprised by how much that

907
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: vulnerability and honesty publicly kind of became a connection point,

908
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: gave an opportunity for people to offer you love and

909
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: support too.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent so taken back, well, first it was

911
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Speaker 2: like do you want to say something? Do you not?

912
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I want people to know. I

913
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Speaker 2: want people to know that, like, you know, I'm struggling,

914
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Speaker 2: I feel so alone, I feel so hurt. I was

915
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: so shocked, like couldn't believe it. You know, we cried

916
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Speaker 2: for days. And then after of course the second one,

917
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Speaker 2: You're like, no way, I thought, Okay, you know, maybe

918
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Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't meant to be last time, and

919
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: now two times, it's so I'm so distraught, I'm so confused,

920
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm so alone. And I think through sharing it, I realized, Wow,

921
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Speaker 2: this has happened to so many people, and in a

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Speaker 2: time that felt so dark for me, has been so

923
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: dark for so many people, and we're just not supposed

924
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: to talk about it. I don't think it's a thing

925
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: to speak about it. And I realized that, you know,

926
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Speaker 2: people would stop me, men, women would stop me and say,

927
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: you know, we lost two before we had our third.

928
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Speaker 2: We never we've never had kids, unfortunately, And I just realized, like,

929
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Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to have some commonality. And

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Speaker 2: in today's world, where you know, we're searching for what

931
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: our differences are versus what we have in common, I

932
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: was so touched. I was so touched that we could

933
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: be there for one another, support each other, and not

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Speaker 2: ever meet before and share each other's pain. And I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was very shocking to me to see

936
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Speaker 2: how many people have gone through that, and I'm thinking

937
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: of all of those families that have experienced that, because

938
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Speaker 2: it is it's it's one of the worst feelings in

939
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: the world of thinking about what could be that wasn't.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, it's very brave of you to talk

941
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Speaker 1: about and obviously you helped a lot of people doing that,

942
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: and that's a message across a million different things. Right,

943
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: there's so many other people going through what you're going

944
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Speaker 1: through and reaching out and talking about instead of holding

945
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Speaker 1: it and is probably going to serve you much better.

946
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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, You're about three years and

947
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: in Louisville. So I'm going to do a Louisville speed

948
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Speaker 1: round for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh is this like about the city? Like what I

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Speaker 2: know about the city.

951
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: It's not a quiz so much. There's only one that's

952
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Speaker 1: a quiz. The rest is just opinions.

953
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: I barely learned my freeways.

954
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, because we had two of your players on

955
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: last year and they did not know what a Louisville

956
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Speaker 1: staple was. So we're gonna I'll just start there. Do

957
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Speaker 1: you know what a hot brown is? I I saw

958
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: it with you down there.

959
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Speaker 2: I saw it on the menu and I totally forgot

960
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Speaker 2: what it was. I just saw it at Lulu Target.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you guys to have when it sounds gross,

962
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: it's just it's every time I've been to Louisville, I

963
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: get assured that it's very important to the culture there,

964
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: and yet nobody from Louisville eats them or knows what

965
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: they are. It's some sort of weird sandwich involving meat

966
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: and maybe calling it a hot brown was the first

967
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: problem that could be part of it. Okay, do you

968
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: have a favorite whisk you?

969
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: Yes? I love old fashions. Now. Never knew. We have

970
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: like a little bar at home. My husband makes the

971
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: drinks at home.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: Probably, Oh gosh, I like, was it called Basil Hayden.

974
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one.

975
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's probably my favorite right now.

976
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: I think all whiskey tastes like fire, But if I

977
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: had to choose one fire, it would be angels envy.

978
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: That tastes the least like fire to me.

979
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 2: There you go. You need a cherry, the cherry in there,

980
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: and you need the you need the old fashion, you

981
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 2: need the big ice cube, the sliver of orange slice.

982
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you, Once you drink them and

983
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: you get your simple syrup in there and you have

984
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: a drink, You're like, I understand why people drink these. Now,

985
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: Before I didn't understand.

986
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm still at like the dakery face. I'll eventually become

987
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: a grown, grown adult, a grown man and drink for you.

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00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: Do you own a fascinator?

989
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: No? Come on?

990
00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: Have you been to six' Ten? Magnolia? No gosh, it,

991
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: coach what are you doing thinking about football?

992
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: Day getting on the freeway doing from my home in

993
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 2: the training?

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00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Facility, WELL i just sent one of your newest players

995
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,520
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996
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,799
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997
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,799
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00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,279
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999
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,160
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00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,040
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00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: Do it i'm. Doing it thanks so much for. The

1002
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: time it was so great talking.

1003
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Speaker 2: To you, Of course thank you guys for having me.

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00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: Take care.

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