1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber production of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Reese and. 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: I'm more on Vocal Bomb, and today we have an 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: episode for you about zimis. 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Yes, and I have already had many minor panic attacks 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: of that pronunciation because I have seen several different pronunciations. Also, 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: I had never heard of this until you mentioned it, 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: and you had to spell it out for me, which 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: I appreciated. 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yeah, because it is spelled with the tz 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: or sometimes a ts i am m ees And yeah, yeah, 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: I've heard out in the wild pronunciation zimmis. But that 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: might be that might be just kind of goofy. I 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: did not grow up with this dish, but have been 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: introduced to it after that by various people at potlucks 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: and Jewish holidays. 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: Yes, which that is the reason you suggested this correct. 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: Yes, because as this is coming out, Russiashana is upon 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: us to everyone celebrating, we wish you a happy and 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: sweet New Year. And I kind of meant for this 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: episode to come out before the beginning of the holiday, 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: so that, you know, interested parties could actually listen to 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: it before they were kind of bunkered down for holiday 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: celebration stuff with family and whatever. But you know, hey, 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: it's vaguely timely. We're vaguely on time. 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: Lauren and Annie. Vaguely on time sounds about right. Sure. 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: And for a little bit of background information, you could 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: see our episodes about carrots or honey. I'm trying to 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: think what else we've done that's relevant a few different things. 30 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. You have Google, you figured it out. 31 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you do the work. Come on, I don't know 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Oh no, we don't know. You 33 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: suggested a topic that is coming up, and I was 34 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: I could have sworn up and down. We'd already done that. No, 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: guess not, so you let us know. Yeah, yeah, you're 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: much more you are. I do have a bag of 37 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: carrots I'm trying to get rid of, so maybe I 38 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: don't know it's a lot of carrots. Oh well, I 39 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: guess that brings us to your questions. It does, zimmus, 40 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: what is it? 41 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: Well, Zimmus can be a lot of things, but we 42 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 2: are basically talking about a dish of seasoned root vegetables 43 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: and or tubers, roasted or otherwise cooked with a little 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: bit of a savory element to balance out a more 45 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: pronounced and ideologically important sweet element. The vegetables can be 46 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: whatever you like and have access to, almost always carrots, 47 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: often potatoes or sweet potatoes, onions, turnip or parsnip, sometimes 48 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: other things like squash. The seasonings can be herbal or 49 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: warm or hot and spicy or whatever you like, often 50 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: with a little bit of citrus juice for like a tang. Yeah. 51 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: The savory element can be stock or schmaltz, which is 52 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: chicken fat or a little bit of meat of whatever kind. 53 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: The sweet element is almost always honey, but often also 54 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: apples or dried fruit like plums, sometimes other fruit, I 55 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: don't know. It's to choose your own adventure kind of 56 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: side dish or main dish if you have enough protein 57 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: in there. Yeah, served family style usually, and the result 58 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: is intended to be warm and filling and like balanced 59 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: and comforting and nostalgic. It really like heralds the changing seasons. Yeah. 60 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: It can also be a little bit cloying and mushy. 61 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 2: It's it's like this is going to be contentious. 62 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 63 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: It's like the pumpkin spice lotte of side dishes. It 64 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be bad or basic. It is it 65 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: is what you make of it. 66 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: I will say, also, please don't yell at me. This 67 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: is just my personal sake. When I was reading about this, 68 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: I got a lot of vibes from like my experience 69 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: with ambrosia, where one you can read like any description 70 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: and none of them are even close to ching. But two, 71 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: like there were kind of two diverging paths when one 72 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: of them became very sweet, very like gelatinous. 73 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, very cooked down stew kind of thing, yeah, 74 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: versus like a roasted pan of root vegetables. 75 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: Right, So that was just for my walk of life 76 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: when I was like that kind of remising of ambrosia, 77 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh. 78 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah. Another thing this might be reminding you 79 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: of if you are unfamiliar with zimis, you know, like 80 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: maybe the description is kind of making you go, this 81 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: just sounds like a holiday cast role it is. 82 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: That is what it is. 83 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: This is a dish made for big holiday dinners traditionally 84 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: celebrations of Russias Shana, which is the Jewish New Year 85 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: and the start of the high holiday period which falls 86 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: like September Ish every year. 87 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: That the dish can also. 88 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: Be applied to other holiday dinners like Passover, and you know, 89 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: whatever other potluck situation you want to bring a roasted 90 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: root vegetable dish too. And okay, so a little bit 91 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: about Russiashana. As with many holidays and perhaps especially New 92 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: Year's celebrations, Russia Shana has a set of symbolic food 93 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: traditions attached. These foods are collectively called samanim heck, I 94 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: think I'm saying that right, saman I'm sure. Okay, let's 95 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: go with that though, okay. And one of the key 96 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: elements in Russiashana foods is sweetness, often expressed with apples 97 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: dipped in honey. That's kind of the classic. Maybe those 98 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: foods could be extrapolated out into ingredients and other dishes. 99 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: Maybe you dip some kala in honey. But there are 100 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: a bunch of traditional foods attached here, differing slightly among 101 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: different Jewish cultures, but can include round hola bread rather 102 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: than a longer loaf, the heads of lamb or fish, pomegranates, dates, leaks, beets, 103 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: string beans, pumpkin or other gourds, quints and sesame seeds, 104 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: and a lot of these like there are puns involved 105 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: with why they're associated with the New Year surrounding like 106 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: and beginnings and plenty and sweetness and also a lot 107 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: of those things would be heck and delicious in Zamus, 108 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: just saying, just saying, mm hmmm, sounds good. Yeah, carrots 109 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: are a new tradition, but I mean, you know, like 110 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: like if they're cut crosswise, they resemble coins and you know, 111 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: as a symbol of like wealth and plenty and stuff 112 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: like that. Sure, and furthermore, the idea behind this dish 113 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: is adaptability. This dish is a vibe, and you can 114 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: do whatever creates that vibe for you with what you 115 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: like and what you've got. The kind of standard American 116 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: version at this point is like carrots and sweet potatoes 117 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: with honey, chicken stock, orange juice, cinnamon, and prunes or 118 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: raisins or apricots. Yeah, people often ste it on the 119 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: stovetop because like that's easy. But y'all, I always recommend 120 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: roasting vegetables, roasting anything whenever possible. It's just so nice 121 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: you get that crisp anyway. But yeah, people can and 122 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: do add anything, you know, like corn and tomatoes, sure, 123 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: chili peppers and cilantro, Yeah, do you fresh ginger and pears, 124 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: some pineapple in there? Wine and bay leaves. Top it 125 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: with a cogal crust, Bake it up with some dumplings inside, 126 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: put some beans in, or pieces of chicken or short 127 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: ribs or brisket. 128 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Oh oh, listeners, yes, oh yes, please, please please please. 129 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: Oh well, what about the nutrition. 130 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: Oh that depends. 131 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm getting that vibe. 132 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: It tends to be a hearty, stick to your ribs 133 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: kind of dish. And and you might you might have 134 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,239 Speaker 2: a lot of starch from some of those root vegetables, 135 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, it's I don't know, drink water, 136 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: have a nice time, have. 137 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: A nice time. Yeah. Well, this one was hard to find. 138 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: Numbers four, but you found one right. 139 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: Kind of sort of okay. So for homemade dishes like this, 140 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: it's really difficult to track down. Like you don't really 141 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: have global production numbers for zimmis, Like that's not what's 142 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: going on in the world. But I can say that 143 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: there are intense spikes in Google searches for Zimmis every 144 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: April and September, meaning every passover in Russia Shana. The 145 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: top five countries searching for stuff about Zimmis are Israel, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, 146 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: and Belarus. And there has been a fairly steady decline 147 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: in searches over the past twenty years for the term zimmis. 148 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. I found some impassioned articles about how 149 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: other people do zimmas compared to how they think they 150 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: zimmis should be done. Yeah. 151 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, there's there's there's a lot of I mean 152 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 2: like it because it can be I mean, it's sort 153 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: of the difference between if you've ever had that dish 154 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: that a very well meaning relative brings out every holiday 155 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: that's kind of bland and mushy and like just perhaps 156 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 2: not the freshest or most interesting expression of a particular vegetable, 157 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: and then you have it and then you have like 158 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: a like a really nice, like crispy roasted Brussels sprout, 159 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my heck, this vegetable can taste 160 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: like this and it like rocks your world, and and 161 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: that can very much be the way that this dish goes. 162 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think we've talked about that before, 163 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: about like where's the line between I'm just doing this 164 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: dish because we always do this dish, oh yeah, yeah, 165 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: versus I maybe no one really wants this thing. Yeah, 166 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: that's what's going on here. 167 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: But sure, sure versus similar r it's something that you 168 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: actually want to eat, which which it can be, which 169 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: it totally can be. I got so hungry doing this research. 170 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: Oh my, heck, me too. I really I was trying 171 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: to think if I've ever had anything quite like this, 172 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: because I like the idea of like the chicken stock 173 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: and the sweetness and the meat and the carrot, like 174 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: I like, I like the idea of this amalgamation. I'm 175 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: just not sure. I'm trying to envision it. 176 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: I'd liken it to like a the kind of sweet 177 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: potato cast role that isn't whipped but rather has like 178 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: chunks of sweet potatoes in it. Okay, but but right, 179 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: like like left turn at Albuquerque, Like to involve like 180 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: brisket instead of nuts and no marshmallow topping, honey honey instead. 181 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, sounds good to me? Sounds good to me. 182 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: But yes, we do have some history. 183 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 2: For you, Oh we do, and we are going to 184 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: get into that as soon as we get back from 185 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: a quick break for a word from our sponsors. 186 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you, sponsors, Yes, thank you, so yes. 187 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: Kind of like the numbers, the history of zemis is 188 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: difficult to pin down, and a lot of people trace 189 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: it back to this dish having at least one root 190 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: vegetable involved. So if that's the definition we're working off of, 191 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: most historians who have looked into this believe it traces 192 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: back to Jewish communities in Middle Ages Germany. It most 193 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: likely included turnips parsnips, along with some type of meat. 194 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: And yes, some think that carrots were added around the 195 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: fifteenth century. 196 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: Which was round about when carrots became kind of common 197 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: around like or th under Eastern Europe, or re became 198 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: common again. See our carrots episode for more on that. 199 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and as you mentioned, Lauren, because of their shape 200 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: when sliced, kind of like coins, they became symbolic of 201 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: luck and prosperity going into the New Year, which, speaking 202 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: of yes, starting around the Middle Ages in Europe all 203 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: the way up to the twentyth first century beyond, Zemis 204 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: became largely associated with Russiashana and the tradition of eating 205 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: sweet foods to Russian a sweet New Year. Another theory 206 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: around the addition of carrots is that carrots were one 207 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: of the few hardy, sweet tasting vegetables in Poland and 208 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Russia because of that it became the sweet aspect of 209 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: this dish. 210 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: Especially before sugar became less expensive. 211 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: Yes, or that the name for carrot in German and 212 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: Yiddish means to grow or to multiply, or. 213 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: Like or like plenty or or more like increasing kind 214 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: of concept. I'm not an expert in either of those languages, 215 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: so yeah. 216 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: No, we are, no, but people have looked into it. 217 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: Yes, and there is in fact a kind of deeper 218 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: animalogical mess around this whole dish. 219 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: Yes. Leah Hadad of Jewish food experience offers this explanation. 220 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: The first known use of the Yiddish word zemis is 221 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: from eighteen ninety two, and it is said to have 222 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: originated from the German word for side dish. 223 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: Which is zumus. So yeah, you can hear that. You 224 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: can hear that. 225 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: Sure. 226 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: There's also a theory that it came from the German essen, 227 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: meaning to eat or for eating, or even that it's 228 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: related to the English word simmer. Modernly, though fun fun 229 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: with Yiddish, zimis is colloquially used to mean like a 230 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: fuss or commotion. So so I don't know, like like 231 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: you might you might like walk into a room and 232 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: just things are in a little bit of chaos, you know, 233 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: like what's with all the Zemish? Or if someone is 234 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: just making like an absolute dog's breakfast of something like, 235 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: you could be like, oh, man, like, how did you 236 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: make such a zemis out of this? 237 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Like that kind of idea dogs breakfast? I've never heard that. 238 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: I like it. I feel like it clearly communicates though 239 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm learning 240 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: a lot. One of the first known written recipes of zemis, 241 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: or at least kind of an early version of it, 242 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: came out of a thirteen ninety three non Jewish cookbook 243 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: called The Menagery Depity. It called for chopped gourds, carrots, 244 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: and turnips sweetened with honey. Much much later, in eighteen 245 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: ninety six, a Yiddish cookbook contained a recipe for stewing 246 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: turnips with sugar and schmaltz, which, by the way, the 247 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: author recommended topping that with breaded and fried calf spleen. 248 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: Ooh, I don't know about the spleen in particular, but 249 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: that sounds very fancy. 250 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: It does sound very fancy, doesn't it. A nineteen hundred 251 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: menu out of a Kosher London restaurant included an item 252 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: called Kishka Sima Simma, which had chunks of beef and 253 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: beef intestines stuffed with flour, schmaltz and spices. 254 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: The kishka portion. Yes and yeah, like the inclusion of meat. 255 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: And this is interesting because like, all right, if you've 256 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: ever cooked a family or holiday meal, you understand the 257 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,359 Speaker 2: convenience of being able to put a protein and aside 258 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 2: in the oven. At the same time, this was even 259 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: more pronounced before the development of the modern kitchen, you know, 260 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: with with most homes in the developed world, you know, 261 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: having their own refrigeration and heating elements that work at 262 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: the turn of a dial or the press of a button. 263 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 2: Even you know, dials are outdated now here we are. 264 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, just like meaning it was a bigger production 265 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: to cook anything. And so if it works to put 266 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: everything in one pan and shove that in the oven, heck, 267 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: yeah do it. I feel like today vegetable side dishes 268 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: are considered like why would you put meat in that 269 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: in American culture anyway, And I'm like, hey, because it's 270 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna do good things for the vegetables and 271 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: for the meat that's going to be tasty mm hmm, 272 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 2: yeah and can. 273 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so right, because I mean, your outdated comments 274 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: stung a little bit. My kitchen is a little old, 275 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: and I got the old dials in the oven really 276 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: doesn't work that well. I got to time things very pardicular. 277 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I. 278 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: Understand the value of this. Yeah for sure. 279 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know as the new owner of a kitchen 280 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: that was built in nineteen sixty three, all of the 281 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: appliances in which are from nineteen sixty three. 282 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: Yes, I feel you. 283 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: My oven and my range are separate, and only three 284 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 2: of my burner's work me too. 285 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: But my favorite landlord thing he's ever done is one 286 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: time I was like, because the numbers had gotten rubbed 287 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: off on the dial, I was like, can we fix this? 288 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: His solution was he just wrote low and high. I 289 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: was like, I could do that. 290 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: Wow, that's Look. 291 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: He got an oven thermometer. 292 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: And yeah, that's much better, much better. 293 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, Yes, So as Jewish folks in Germany migrated 294 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: across Europe, zemis went with them. As potatoes were brought 295 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: back from Europe were brought back to Europe from the Americas, 296 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: they ended up in the dish as well. But as 297 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: we've been saying throughout this over the decades, as ingredients 298 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: from around the globe became more available and affordable in 299 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: Europe or wherever, they ended up in it too, things 300 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: like pineapple, apricots, and plums, many of them symbolic in nature. 301 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: And I would love for listeners to write in because 302 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: I read a lot of different takes on the symbolism 303 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: of these things, which I love, but I would love 304 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: to hear from listeners about it. When Jewish people immigrated 305 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: to the US in the nineteenth century and kind of, 306 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, big wave, they introduced the country to the dish. 307 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: The evolution of semis continue with the accessibility of ingredients 308 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: that may have previously been unavailable or too expensive, meaning 309 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: that more meat got added into the mix and more sugar. 310 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: And it really was a period of a lot of experimentation, 311 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: and all kinds of things got added in, from lima 312 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: beans to sweet potatoes. At the same time, this dish 313 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: arrived in South America with Jewish immigrants, and people adapted 314 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: it to local ingredients. There frequently sweet potatoes, corn, tomatoes, beans, carrots, peaches, 315 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: often served in a large squash with meat. Oh that 316 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: sounds are a dozen yeah, all right. In the cookbook 317 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: Jewish Cookery, first published in nineteen forty nine, there were 318 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: almost a dozen different varieties of Semis recipes, and the 319 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: Molly Goldberg Cookbook out of nineteen fifty five had this 320 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: quote about zemis. To define zimis would be a presumption. 321 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: I love that. Oh oh that's oh that's beautiful. It's 322 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: so good a presumption. Yes, yes, well, I am very 323 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: excited to hear from listeners about this one. All your 324 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: different arrieties, your takes, your traditions. 325 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, what absolutely does and does not belong 326 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: in there? 327 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I did read an interesting article. I took it 328 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: out because I only found in this fact in one place, 329 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: but it was saying, like the decline of meat and 330 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 1: zemis in the United States, and it was kind of 331 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: decrying it but also explaining it. I couldn't tell how 332 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: much of it was like factual, how much of its opinion, 333 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: But sure, I thought it was interesting because this person 334 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: was very passionate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I guess that's 335 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: what we have to say about Zemis for now. 336 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: It is. We do already have some listener mail for you, though, 337 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: and we are going to get into that as soon 338 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: as we get back from one more quick break forward 339 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: from our sponsors, and we're back. 340 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsors, Yes, thank you, and went back with 341 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: this is new year. Yeah, Tina or Tenna Root. I 342 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: feel like we always do this question when you write in, 343 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: so please remind us. I remember being overjoyed when my 344 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: parents got his dinosaur egg. Oakia was a special street 345 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: when I was little. It made such an impression that 346 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: it's becoming a camping breakfast tradition for my own kids. 347 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: I also remember the oatmeal swirlies that you could add 348 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: jelly packets to, although apparently those lacked the staying power 349 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: of the quake powerhouse products. When we lived in Seattle, 350 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: there were blackberries everywhere. There were often herds of goats 351 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: next to the roads used to control the brambles. My 352 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: husband and I used to take our dog to it 353 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: near my park to pick blackberries. Our beagle mcguiver sniff 354 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: out the ripest berry and a clump, take it gently 355 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: in his teeth, and back up until it popped free. 356 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: He probably ate as many as we picked. In his honor. 357 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: We still make berry picking hound BlackBerry jam when we 358 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: have the chance. I'm attaching a photo of the late 359 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: mcguiver in his natural disgruntled state, he did not appreciate 360 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: the Bunny years. Guy, buddy, I love it. I love 361 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: that you still make this jam. I bet it's delicious. 362 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that's a really good BlackBerry picking technique. 363 00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: I feel like that's better than mine. So yeah, good come. 364 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: But guy, for and goats, they got figured out. Also, 365 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: I love this note about dinosaur Eggo beyond sharing that 366 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: with your kids. Yeah, Lauren and I we were talking 367 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: about Jurassic Park before this started. 368 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 2: Uh. 369 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: I definitely was huge into dinosaurs as a kid, and 370 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: I think if I, if I had had my way, 371 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of this. 372 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh absolutely no, certainly. I was a sucker 373 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: for marketing at the time. I mean I still am. 374 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, yeah, that dinosaur marketing. They really 375 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: they got it. 376 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: They knew. 377 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: I knew. I have a lot of dinosaur merchandise. 378 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? Why wouldn't you? Dinosaurs are cool man dinosaurs. 379 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: They're great, also scary but good but friends. Yeah, Paul wrote, 380 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: who could have predicted two episodes in a row that 381 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: I have personal experience with first Halluomi and now Fudge 382 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: love this podcast anyway, living in Northern Michigan leams. Mackinaw 383 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 2: Island is just a notch in. 384 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: The belt for us. 385 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: It's a great place for a change, despite the fudgies 386 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 2: and horsepoop, no motorized vehicles allowed. I'm with you two 387 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: regarding fudge. The first bite is almost too much. Regarding 388 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: tourist labels. While us in Northern Michigan refer to tourists 389 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: as fudgies, people who live in the up call tourists 390 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: trolls because the only way to get two Michigan's Upper 391 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: Peninsula from this area is to cross the famous Mackinaw 392 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: Bridge and what lives under bridges You guessed it, trolls. 393 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: The real story, however, is just south in Mackinaw City, 394 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: where there's a family that has taken over most of 395 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: the town. The original members of the family have been 396 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: there for decades, but when the current generation took over, 397 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: they used various questionable methods to get to the point 398 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: where they own most of the hotels, restaurants, and a 399 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: good many souvenir shops. You may already be familiar with 400 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: them from a video that went viral a few years 401 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: back of a hotel clerk being extremely rude to a 402 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 2: guest who is alerting him to her toilet leaking in 403 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: the early hours of the morning. One of the best 404 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: examples of the questionable practices is the website they created 405 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: to purposefully mimic the official Machinosity website. The official page 406 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: is macinacity dot com. The family's website is macinaw Hyphencity 407 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: dot com. Notice the second website is titled Macinocity Chamber 408 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: of Tourism. Macinocity does not have a Chamber of Tourism. 409 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: All businesses on this site are owned by this family. Wow, 410 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: cut roads and that, to employ another Yiddish term is 411 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: sub kutzpah right there. 412 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: Really, I went and visited both of them. They're definitely 413 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: holding some tricks there. 414 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: Woo. 415 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I because I came from a small 416 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: town who's very tourist based, and there was stuff like 417 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: this that happened in our town too. There is a 418 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: family that has a lot of power, has bought a 419 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: lot of the like I would not be surprised, all right, 420 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: these tactics like this. 421 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: Small town drama, Oh. 422 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: Small town drama. Oh my gosh, but I'm glad he wrote. 423 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: In Yeah this is fascinating. 424 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it is, because that's just such a personal like. 425 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: We wouldn't necessarily find that in a research. We didn't, 426 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: so that's really cool. And I love the differences between 427 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: what they call tourists and the up. My roommate from 428 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: Machine called it the up. But maybe she was lying 429 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: to me. Oh oh oh I was. I was. 430 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: As I was reading that, I was realizing that I 431 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: had no idea how to say it out loud. I've 432 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: only ever seen it in print. I haven't heard it. 433 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: So oh, she was the type that could have been 434 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: lying to me. 435 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: I loved her, but she's definitely like the most deadpan No, 436 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: I can't read the listeners listen. Yeah, yes, but this 437 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: did remind me. I went on a rabbit hole of 438 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: Seinfeld related food oh clips, and I found one about 439 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: the Macanaw peaches, Jerry, the maccanol peaches. I don't know 440 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: if it's related to this, but I was like, ha, 441 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: then there you go again. Listeners. You can let us know. Yes, well, 442 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: thanks to both of these listeners for writing in. 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