1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to Work in Progress, 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: where I talked to people who inspire me about how 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: they're still going. Today's guest is Cil Richards. She is 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: a national leader for women's rights and social and economic justice. 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: For more than a decade, she served as the president 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: of Planned Parenthood Federation of America and Planned parent Had 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Action Fund, where she worked to increase affordable access to 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: reproductive healthcare and strengthen the movement for sexual and reproductive rights. 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: Cecil is a hero and I loved talking to her 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: about the work that she's done, her amazing mother, and 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: her latest activism with Supermajority. Plus we discuss Make Trouble, 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: her latest book, and so much more. Enjoy. I'm just 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: thank you again. I'm so excited, uh to talk with you, 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: and there is so much to discuss. I'm so excited 16 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: for the listeners to get to spend some time with you, 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: because you are a powerhouse and such an incredible leader. 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: And from the outside, I would I would think too 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: many people you seem like this, you know, fearless, unflappable icon. 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: And I often think when leaders are seen really but 21 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I think that's so often 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: when leaders are seen in that kind of a light. 23 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: While it is completely deserved, that can also be a 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: bit conflated with you being you know, impenetrable or or unaffected. 25 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: And I know, because I've had the pleasure of your company, 26 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: that there is a an incredibly sensitive and dynamic woman 27 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: in there, and so I'd love to start talking about her, 28 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, Cecilia the person, not just are fearless leader. 29 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: So can we go back to the beginning were you? 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: Were you a tiny firecracker like this as a child. Well, um, 31 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I think it's a good it's a good question about 32 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: all of us, just sort of showing um, both our 33 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: vulnerability and also the challenge right now, because I do 34 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: think anyone who's not feeling somewhat worried or sometimes um, fearful, 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: probably isn't paying attention. So I think it is a 36 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: good is a good place to start. You know, I 37 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: grew up in texas As, and as I said, growing 38 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: up in Dallas, you know I was I lived in 39 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: a family where my parents were fighting against everything that 40 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: was happening. They were part of the civil rights movement, 41 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: they were part of the farm workers movement. They were 42 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: really trying to kind of banned with other progressives to 43 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: make Texas a more hospitable place. So I think I 44 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: did grow up. I mean, I had a very wonderful childhood. 45 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: It was somewhat magical. You know, other families, I guess 46 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: we're bowling, and we were doing politics and marching and organizing. 47 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: And so I have to give my parents enormous credit 48 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: for that. My dad, um, Dave Richards, turned to eight 49 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: six yesterday and he's still fighting for civil rights. So 50 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: it's kind of timely and and I'm really grateful for 51 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: the for the parents that I have. Yeah, I mean, 52 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: what an incredible thing that they not only that they 53 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: were so progressive and concerned for community, but also that 54 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: they brought you into it, you know, as a kid. 55 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: I think so often people think children shouldn't be exposed 56 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: to such serious things and they don't need to be 57 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: worried about the world. But what a gift it is 58 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: to give a child a perspective on how you really 59 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: do have to show up for people and fight for people, 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: and and what that kind of fight looks like. I 61 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: imagine that informed everything for you as you grew up. Well, 62 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: I get yeah, I have a couple of thoughts about that. 63 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a good point. So and actually a 64 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: lot of moms now, whether I on book tour or 65 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: running around the country listening to women, so many moms 66 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: are now asking like, what do I do about my 67 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: kids now? I feel like there's so many things happening 68 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: in the world that I am worried about, I don't 69 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: agree with, or you know, I want to change, And 70 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: I just think I think the lesson has always bring 71 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: your kids along with you, because you know, my experience 72 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: having raised three kids is they don't They don't learn 73 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: from what you say. They learn from what they see 74 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: you do and how you spend your days, and the 75 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: issues that you choose to be active on and in 76 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: really affect their lives and how they how they kind 77 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: of view their opportunities and responsibilities. The other thing that is, 78 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: I actually wrote a book about this called Make Trouble. 79 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm kind of about my my life as an activist. 80 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: I think the other thing that you learn as a 81 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: kid is actually being an activist is a joyful life. 82 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: It's not this life of sort of you know, oppression 83 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: and worry all the time. It's actually you meet amazing 84 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: people that share your values, that want to change the world, 85 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: and that to me is invigorating and exciting, and particularly 86 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: right now, I think the thing I hear from women 87 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: the most is just that can feel very lonesome um 88 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: where they where they live. And one of the reasons 89 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: we started this new organization, UM Supermajority was to try 90 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: to build community for women so that they don't feel 91 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: so alone. I love that, and it is interesting I 92 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: get asked about that as well, working in my own 93 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: sort of activist circles and in the spaces that you 94 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: and I overlap, and people say, isn't it depressing? And 95 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm just so stressed out and I don't think I 96 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: can handle any more of this, And and what I 97 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: always try to offer back is you feel stressed and 98 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: depressed because you're in the midst of the onslaught, but 99 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: you feel powerless to do something. And when you really 100 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: dedicate time, space, energy resources to being an activist, you're 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: doing something. You are taking your power back. You are 102 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: out there helping in whatever way you can to change 103 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: the world. And it won't make you feel more stressed, 104 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: it will make you feel more in control. I couldn't 105 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: agree more. Look, I just tell people like, turn off 106 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: the television and go outside and get active, because you know, 107 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: it's there's a whole world out there waiting for you. 108 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: And the single most often asked question that I hear 109 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: on the road or you know, in interviews, is what 110 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: more can I do? And I do think this is 111 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: a it's easy to forget that women in so many 112 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: ways are more active now than ever before, and every 113 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: generation of every background, and that is really exciting. I 114 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: think that's what a lot of folks felt, not only 115 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: women at the first March for Women right after the inauguration, 116 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: as they begin it was the first sign that actually 117 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: we were possibly the majority of the country and that 118 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: there was a real sense of community and that that, 119 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: to me, is what we have to continue to nurture 120 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: and build on. And as you say, it makes you 121 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: feel a lot better when you're actually working towards something. 122 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's the other thing we have to 123 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: focus on now is that it's not enough to resist. 124 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: I mean, women have been doing an amazing job of 125 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: resisting policies and things the government is doing they don't 126 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: agree with, but what women really want to do. I 127 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: hear all the time is they want to actually imagine 128 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: the world they want to live in and then go 129 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: build that. And that to me is an energizing idea, UM, 130 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: and something I think we have to nurture. Yes, because 131 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: so much of the world has been shaped by men 132 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: in power, and and I think it's so important to 133 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: own that when we talk about wanting to change that. 134 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: No one's out here trying to attack men or claim 135 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: that all men are bad. What we're saying is when 136 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: when a group with half the information has made a 137 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: dred percent of the decisions, the decisions are not productively 138 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: affecting the whole. And so if we can start making 139 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: equitable decisions, if women can help imagine the future, if 140 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: women can have as much control as they have in 141 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: population numbers, society gets better for everyone, men included. We're 142 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: not we're not trying to leave them behind, but we're 143 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: certainly saying this hasn't worked out so well for any 144 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: of us, including y'all, So why don't you give us 145 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: a turn? Um. But something that I love so much. 146 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: You were referencing your book and talking about making trouble, 147 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: and I'm so just enamored with John Lewis. I think 148 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: he is the most incredible representative and civil rights hero, 149 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: and and I have just sat and I felt like 150 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: I've absorbed inspiration via osmosis anytime I've been in a 151 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: space where he's been speaking. And he always says that 152 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: we have to make good trouble. We've got to get 153 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: out there and we've got to shake up the system. 154 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: And you talk about how all of us women demanding 155 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: our rights and equity is also us making trouble. And 156 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious because you write in your book about the 157 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: moment that your mom started to revolt against that role 158 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: that she was quote unquote supposed to play. And I'm 159 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: curious how that felt as a child, much less as 160 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: as a little girl in that era, watching the matriarch 161 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: of your household turn expectations on their head and show 162 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: you what being a good troublemaker looked like. Well, of course, 163 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: I was almost grown by the time my mom finally 164 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: kind of rope free and realized she could do anything. 165 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she'd raised four kids, she'd been, as she 166 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: would say, the perfect housewife. Uh you know, she as 167 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: as mom used to say, if it was in the 168 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: glossy magazines, she was doing it. Um. But then of course, 169 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: she ran a campaign for Sarah Weddington, who wanted to 170 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: run for the state House, and she kind of got 171 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: hooked and realized she could actually use her brain, she 172 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: could work, uh. And then of course she eventually ended 173 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: up running for governor and becoming the first woman elected 174 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: in her own right in the state of Texas. It 175 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: was incredibly inspiring, but not only to me, honestly, to 176 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: millions of people, not only women in the state of 177 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Texas who had always been sort of left out of 178 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: the power structure. They've been left out of politics. And 179 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: I think of Mom now, um, and how how much 180 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: joy she would take in the fact that we now 181 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: have a record number of women in Congress, a record 182 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: number of women of color. I think of, you know, 183 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: Lauren Underwood, the youngest African American woman ever to go 184 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: to Congress, who came from Illinois. She is changing the 185 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: face of what democracy looks like, what government looks like. 186 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: And that was something that Mom always believed in. Um. 187 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: She was a big she was a big supporter of 188 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: other women, and nothing, nothing brought her more pleasure than 189 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: seeing other women succeed. And that's kind of what I'm 190 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: seeing in this moment. Sophia is that I've never seen 191 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: so many women asked me tell me what other women 192 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: are doing and how they're being successful and cheering them on. 193 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: And that to me is like it's it's a real 194 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: it's a real shift, it's a real change. And um, 195 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: I think it's what's energizing women everywhere. I agree. I 196 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: love it so much. I feel like we're we're exiting 197 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: the era of competition and entering into an era of collaboration. 198 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: And I love the way that it feels. And I 199 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: love that you brought up Lauren Underwood. I'm so lucky. 200 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: I I spent many years working on a job in Chicago, 201 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: and so I had residency in Illinois for a long 202 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: time and have held onto it for a while because 203 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: I really do love it there. And I was able 204 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: to sit down during her campaign and speak with Lauren 205 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: and hear about all of her expertise coming from the 206 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: health care system and where as an expert in that field, 207 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: she saw the holes and how she wanted to be 208 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: advocated for patients and for citizens alike. And I just 209 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: was the most inspired by her campaign and the day 210 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: she won, I was bowling on this is a very 211 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: irrational reaction that I'm having. But I'm just so happy, right, 212 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Laurence Lauren is this interesting. I'm thrilled that 213 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: you know her. And because i feel like I'm like 214 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: on a national campaign to make her a household household word, 215 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: because I'm with you anytime you need my help, Let's go, 216 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: oh fantastic. No, because I mean she it's funny. She 217 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: and I just did an event together in Washington, d C. 218 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: And after hearing Lauren Underwood speak, everybody in the audience 219 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: wanted to run for Congress. I mean, I think these 220 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: I love the way that she and others are sort 221 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: of take take, pulling back the curtain, saying hey, this 222 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: is what the job is. Is what we do every day. 223 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: It's really exciting. We get to make up we need, 224 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: get to make a difference, we get to make policy. 225 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: And honestly, it just it feels people begin to look 226 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: at young women like Lauren. There's so many others. Ianna 227 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: Pressley Um the first two Latina's ever elected to Congress 228 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: from Texas. I can't believe it took us this long. 229 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: But Veronica Escobar and Sylvia Garcia. Women look at these 230 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: other women and say I could do that, and that 231 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: to me is I think that's probably why we've had 232 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: I think forty thousand women raise their hand in the 233 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: last two years and say I want to be trained 234 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: and run for office. That's how you actually begin to 235 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: have representative democracy. And so many women who are going 236 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: into office are there because there's something they want to 237 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: get done. And as you say, Lauren's expertise in healthcare 238 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: is really her driving passion and you can just feel 239 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: it when you when you hear her talk. And I 240 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: think that that's such a good message for anybody who's 241 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: listening out there, that if you have something that is 242 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: your reason for getting up in the morning, you know 243 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: that thing that lights that lights your internal furnace, you 244 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: can run towards that and and quite literally use that 245 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: passion to change the world. And I think for so long, 246 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: so many of us would think, well, but I couldn't 247 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: possibly do that, that that has to be somebody who 248 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: really knows what they're doing. And if I've learned anything 249 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: in in my in my years, you know, becoming an adult, 250 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: it's that even the best and smartest people in the 251 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: room are still figuring it out as they go. There's 252 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: no roadmap for how to build a better world or 253 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: how to fix a problem, we have to create it ourselves. 254 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: And so I had this sort of stunning realization that 255 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: I was talking to my dad the other day and 256 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: he goes, you cracked a joke last time you were 257 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: here for dinner about all my platitudes, and I realized, 258 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: I just speak in platitudes. And I said, well, I've 259 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: realized cliches or cliches because they're true. So you know, 260 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: the whole the adage of if if not us, then who, 261 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: it's become an adage because it's true, and and really, 262 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: if not now, then when. And it's been so incredible 263 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: to see so many women stepping up and realizing that 264 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: they've always had what takes and that they are the 265 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: experts in the room, and that they do have the 266 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: capability to do this. And I have to be honest, Cecil, 267 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that so many of us 268 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: would feel that way if we hadn't have had you, 269 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: as be it a personal or or just an out 270 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: there in the ether and in the press mentor to 271 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: show us what it looks like, your your dedication to 272 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: fighting for women, and your resilience and your unwillingness to 273 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: back down in the face of some of the worst 274 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: kind of vitriol that society has to offer. I just 275 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: I think you are the ultimate badass, and I'm quite 276 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: sure your spine is made of titanium. And I just 277 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: I am so excited that you're here. Well, and I 278 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: that's that's so over the top. But I guess I 279 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: have a couple of thoughts. One is, um if I 280 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: have one of my own sort of adage or really 281 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: hack phrase that I use, it is start before you're ready. 282 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: Because I think so many women and including me, I 283 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: mean other you know, women who worked with me, we 284 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: always think that there's this perfect moment when the stars 285 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: are going to align, when our kids are going to 286 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: be the right age, we're going to have all the 287 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: right degrees, all the laundry is going to be done, 288 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: and then it's gonna be time for us to take 289 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: that next leap. And that was something I learned from 290 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: my mother, because she know she was never the one 291 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: they wanted to run. There was never anyone in Texas 292 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: who came up to her and said, I think it's 293 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: really time for a progressive women governor. She just did 294 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: it anyway, and I do think that's what we women 295 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: just have to be taking chances now, and I think 296 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: that is what is I think exciting to see other 297 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: women supporting women who are daring to challenge the status quo, 298 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: jump in before they actually have all the quote unquote 299 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: experience they need. Men have done that forever, and it's 300 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: exciting to me that women are now um again, just 301 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: not waiting for instructions, not waiting for permission, and just 302 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: doing it. I love that. It makes me think of 303 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 1: when Ruth Bader Ginsberg was interviewed and they said, well, 304 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: how many women you know would satisfy you on the 305 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: Supreme Court? You know what, what what would it take? 306 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: And she said, well, I won't be satisfied until there 307 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: are nine. And everyone was so she said, people were 308 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: just you know, so shocked, like they balked at the statement. 309 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: And she said, well, there's always been nine men, and 310 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: none of you had a problem with that. And it's 311 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: it's it's in those moments that you realize how silly 312 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: these double standards are. And and I think about those 313 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: leaders and you mentioned one, you know, you said that 314 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: you you got to meet Sarah Weddington when you were sixteen. 315 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: I believe, and she argued Roe v. Wade in front 316 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court, what do you what do you remember, 317 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, as a as a teenage girl, watching your 318 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: mom step into the foray of politics and and do 319 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: all of this to your point, perhaps before she was read, 320 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: Is there something that being in that arena, that that 321 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: being around Sarah, that she said or did that that 322 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: has always stuck with you? Well, I think that. I 323 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: guess my overwhelming thought as as a teenager was like, 324 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: how exciting it was to be able to see my 325 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: mom in a completely different role other than running carpool 326 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: and you know, making the perfect birthday cake and all 327 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: the things that she'd always done, which works. You're great. 328 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm not taking that away from anyone, but it was. 329 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: It was honestly such a revolutionary idea that um, that 330 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: that mom could do her own thing, and it, I 331 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: mean obviously changed the trajectory of my life. And I 332 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: think that's again, I think that's why it's so important 333 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: that we see women. I love the fact that, for example, 334 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: now we have so many women running for president because 335 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: it used to be and even when mom got into politics, 336 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: there were all these rules. You know, she used to 337 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: say you know, no patterns on television. Pick a hairstyle 338 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: and stick with it. You know, there were all these 339 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: rules about how you had to be. I love the 340 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: thought that now that all kinds of different women can 341 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: be in politics and you don't have to be this 342 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: stock character. Um. That to me is when we're really 343 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: going to have a true democracy, is that any kind 344 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: of woman can run for any any person can can 345 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: run for office and run for president. But those were 346 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: the days where, yeah, there were a lot of rules 347 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: and Mom just sort of steadily broke them and we 348 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: always laughed at me. The thought that there was a 349 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, divorced, recovering alcoholic, progressive Democrat, uh Democratic woman 350 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: who was elected governor of Texas was I mean, that 351 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: broke every stereotype that that we had. Now, unfortunately that 352 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: was then and it hasn't things. Things have kind of 353 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: gone backwards in Texas. But I think a lot of 354 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: women got got into politics because of her. Kathleen Sebeli. 355 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: As I talked to, you know, former governor of Kansas, 356 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: Janet Apolitano from Arizona, Governor of Arizona, they talk about 357 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: going to girl governor school at the at the Governor's 358 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: mansion in Texas when mom was trying to find any 359 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: woman that she could that would run for office back 360 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: in their home state. That's so cool, And you know, 361 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: I love what you said that you know, you're not 362 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: taking away from the more traditionally maternal things or activities 363 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: that your mom participated in, because I think it's so 364 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: important to talk about that that this isn't about having 365 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: to pick one or the other. This is about supporting women, 366 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: whether they want to be career women with no families, 367 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: stay at home moms with big families, career women with 368 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: families who juggle it all, which so many of you, 369 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: including yourself do. I think that why it feels so 370 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: amazing and groundbreaking is because for so long, for so 371 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: many generations, once once humans became this, you know, agricultural society, 372 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: and women were traded for dowries of goats like we 373 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: were traded like property and it, and it became this 374 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: modern structure where of course we didn't do that anymore. 375 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: But also we were told that we couldn't really do 376 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: anything but keep a home, you know. That was that 377 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: was my grandmother's life. There was no other option for her. 378 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: And I think that the reason that we talk about 379 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: these things being revolutionary, isn't because we don't, you know, 380 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: enjoy cooking with our families. Also, it's that we want 381 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: to have the option. We want to have the choice, 382 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: whether it's the most traditional or most progressive choice in 383 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: the world. We just want women to be able to choose. 384 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: And I think it's an amazing thing that in that 385 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: generation of women who were so affected by watching your mom, 386 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: so many women out there looking at her realized they 387 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: had more choices than they had been told they did 388 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: no exactly, And I mean, I think these a lot 389 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: of the things that that my mom did, these are 390 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: these are life skills. They're not just women's women's occupations. 391 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: In fact, you know, before my three kids went away 392 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: to college, I I insisted that every one of them, 393 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: I've got two girls and a boy, everyone had to 394 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: know how to put up a tent, him their own clothes, 395 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: deep fry, because of course that's a dying art if 396 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: you're not from the South. And they had to be 397 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: able to make their own pie crest, you know, and 398 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: not to me everyone. And so I do think it's 399 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: there is a mythology that you're sort of one thing 400 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: or the other, but the truth is now, you know, 401 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: and you know that, Sophia, you've been in the work 402 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: workforce forever. You know, almost half the workforce um is 403 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: made up of women. Women are increasingly heads of households 404 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: or certainly there's so many two to to two folks 405 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: in the family that are earning a living, So it's 406 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: not increasingly women expect that they're going to have the 407 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: option to work and to pursue a career. More than 408 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: half the college students are now women. And so I 409 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: do think there's this false choice that in four really 410 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: still too many women I think are are struggling with, 411 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: which is you know, how do you how do you 412 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: have a family, support kids if you choose to do 413 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: that work in the workforce. And the truth is, and 414 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: I hear this from women every day, we still work 415 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: in an economy and that is essentially was never set 416 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: up for women. The fact that we have no national 417 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: child care plan or policy, and that so many women 418 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: still are fighting for basic maternity benefits, it's crazy. So 419 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: I do think that women have you know, we've kind 420 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: of retrofit ourselves into workforce that wasn't created to welcome us. 421 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: And it's one of the reasons that that I really 422 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: felt like it was important to start this new movement 423 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: because there are just issues that we know they are 424 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: important to women, having childcare, having access to healthcare, all 425 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: these but they're important to men as well. They're port 426 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: to families. This isn't These are not women's issues. These 427 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: are basic economic issue choose for millions of American workers 428 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: and people. And when you look at peer countries and 429 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: you see, you know, the peer countries that have both 430 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: paid maternity and paternity leave, and you see the heightened 431 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: productivity and their workforces, and you see the higher worker retention, 432 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: people stay in jobs longer. It's because if we take 433 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: care of people equally and respectfully, and we prioritize families 434 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: and their wellness, everybody does better. And and this myth 435 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: that we seem to be stuck in in this country 436 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: that those are you know, women's issues or you've got 437 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: to choose that. The data proves otherwise, and it and 438 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: it seems like it should be such a logical, easy fix, 439 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: but people want to fight on mythology rather than on 440 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: on data science, which I'll never understand. And I would 441 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: imagine for you it's a crazy thing to see because 442 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: your mom was fighting to get the e R a past, 443 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: and here we are still trying to figure out how 444 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: to do there we are. I mean, I would imagine 445 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: that you you never imagined that this would still be 446 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: a fight. That's that's on the table. Well, I just 447 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: think again, I think what's really changed in the last 448 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 1: thirty or forty years, and largely because women actually had 449 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: the ability to get birth control control when when they 450 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: have or if they have children, women are now part 451 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: of the workforce and that's really here to stay. And 452 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: so I do think a lot of these issues they 453 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: are economic. Like it's crazy, that's still women get paid 454 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: eighty cents on the dollar than a man makes, and 455 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: of course if you're a woman of color, it's much 456 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: lower than that. Everyone's for equal pay. Men are for 457 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: equal pay right there. It benefits them if in fact 458 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: their partners or their spouses, or their daughters or their wives, 459 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: um make make a fair wage. Two thirds of minimum 460 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: wage workers or women, and that's why we have so 461 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: many women who are struggling to basically economically survive as 462 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 1: well as take care of their kids, because if you're 463 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: working at minimum wage and trying to support pay for childcare, 464 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: it's almost impossible. But these are issues. Again, they're not 465 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: women's issues. They're basic, fundamental economic issues that have majoritary 466 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: and support. And I wish we could have a government 467 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: that actually treated these issues as seriously as they do 468 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: other issues that because they're they're basic family issues. I 469 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: think they cross party lines, that cross economic lines, and 470 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm focused on now, and I 471 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: think that's amazing. I mean, it does seem silly that 472 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 1: when our country, when our constituency is so clear on 473 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: what it is we want, and somehow these lawmakers who 474 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: just don't listen keep getting elected. Clearly, we need to 475 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: change the way we uh we as a whole head 476 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: into the voting booth. I like that you bring up 477 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: talking about all these women who work in in minimum 478 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: wage jobs, because that's where your organizing career really began, correct, 479 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: You started organizing women who were working for minimum wage. 480 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, And I mean a lot of women 481 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: obviously still do. And it's not only that they're working 482 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: minimum wage, but that means a lot of them, until 483 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, recently, haven't had health care coverage, um sort 484 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: of basic fundamental access that they need. UM. I mean 485 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: one of the things that there were so many things 486 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: I got to work on when I was at Planned Parenthood, 487 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: and one of course, was the Affordable Care Act, which 488 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: revolutionize access to all kinds of things for women, including 489 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: birth control at no cost and even just basic health care. 490 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: But one thing I like to remind people how recent 491 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: some of these successes are. As. I think before the 492 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: Affordable Care Acts, something like fourteen percent of health insurance 493 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: plans covered maternity benefits, which you would think everyone is 494 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: for maternity benefits. I mean, that's how we all kind 495 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: of that here in the first place. And how does 496 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: everyone think we showed up on this planet? I know, 497 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy, although I remember, you don't spontaneously appear. 498 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: There was a there was a very famous Senate hearing 499 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: when a male senator said that he didn't believe that 500 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: insurance companies should have to cover maternity care because he 501 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: was never going to need it, which I guess he 502 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: was past his childbearing years. I don't know, but in 503 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: any case, we we won that. You know, we won 504 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: that fight, and now all insurance plans have to cover 505 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: maternity benefits. Now that doesn't mean that you have maternity leave, 506 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: but you know, it's just incredible to me that here 507 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, we're still fighting for such basic issues 508 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: as access to healthcare that millions and millions of American 509 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: workers need. So but that's why I think it's exciting. 510 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: That's why again, kind of getting back to your theme, 511 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: I think that it's why it's exciting to see how 512 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: active women and are now as voters, as advocates, as volunteers, 513 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: and again we've seen in the last you know, two 514 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: or three years, record numbers of women running for office, 515 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, get organizing in their communities, and then of 516 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: course being the overwhelming majority of voters in America. Yeah, 517 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: I'd find it so ironic that that there's an idea 518 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: that people's health care should apply differently, this idea that 519 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: our health care as women is somehow less important than men's, 520 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: when there's no aspect of men's health care that isn't 521 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: covered their their reproductive care. I mean, all insurance companies 522 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: cover viagra exactly, and they don't want to cover birth control. 523 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: And I just I'm dumbfounded by this idea that you know, 524 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: these these men, to your points, say well, why should 525 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: I have to you know, pay into maternity benefits? Why 526 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: should I have to pay into birth control. I'm like, 527 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: I have to pay into your viagra, sir. And I 528 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: saw not to be crasped, but I saw one of 529 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: the best signs one of the women's marches. This woman 530 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: wants to buy me holding a sign that said, a 531 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: baby is God's will. Okay, then so is limp Dick. 532 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to pay for your viagra. And I was, 533 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I almost fell on the ground. I was 534 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: laughing so hard. I was like, that is brilliant. It's brilliant, 535 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: this idea that you could say that you can tell 536 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: me what your spirituality means for my body and my 537 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: reproductive cycle, but I'm supposed to pay for your erectile 538 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: dysfunction medication. Like, come on, man, the whole point of 539 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: this and and I and I do think it's so 540 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: important to kind of de weaponize the conversation. I think 541 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: at the ends of each side of the spectrum, it 542 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: gets so intense and no one's listening to each other. 543 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: And there's a part of me that wishes we could 544 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: just sit a bunch of people down at a table 545 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: and go, look, the whole point of a society is 546 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: that we take care of each other. So there's all 547 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: these things that I, as a woman, you know, as 548 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: sis gendered woman who was born in the body I 549 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: was born in, will never have to do or go 550 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: to a doctor for that you, sir, as a sister 551 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: gendered man, have to go for. But if I'm paying 552 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: into your health care, you should also pay into my 553 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: health care. And it's all going to even out in 554 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: the end, because really, what we know, again thanks to 555 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: data science, is that the countries with the most comprehensive 556 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: healthcare actually have the lowest cost of caring for people 557 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: because they're just well taken care of. So if we 558 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: were well taken care of and we had things like 559 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: comprehensive health care and maternity and paternity leave, everyone would 560 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: just be healthier and the cost of our entire health 561 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: system would actually decrease. It. It's so it's just so easy, 562 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: and it feels crazy that we can't agree on that 563 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: and and move on to crisis things like you know, 564 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: the environment, air quality, things of that nature. I couldn't 565 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: agree more. I mean, it's crazy. This is where I 566 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: feel like the business community they've got to understand this, 567 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: which is having a healthy workforce is how you have 568 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: economic productivity. But you. I'm sure you remember, and I 569 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: think you're probably part of this for you when we 570 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: were we actually had to fight to get birth control 571 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: covered under the Affordable correct Even though birth control it's 572 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: really popular, I mean, guys like it, women like it. 573 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: Everyone really likes it, Everyone uses it, Everyone benefits from 574 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: birth control exactly. The irony being that it isn't even 575 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: just about pregnancy prevention. You know, men and women both 576 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: benefit in obviously many you know, heteronormative relationships from birth 577 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 1: control access both men and women equally, but especially for women, 578 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: the treatment for endometriosis, for um incredible menstrual cycle issues 579 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: that can you know, lead to migraines and other debilitating pain, acne, 580 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: all of these things. It's just medicine. It's actual medicine 581 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: for people, and it's a Again, I just I feel 582 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: like it's one of those debates when when anybody wants 583 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: to talk about whether or not it should be covered, 584 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, you deal with viagra and then you get 585 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: back to me. But until you do, we're not having 586 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: a conversation about birth control. I am taking it off 587 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: the table. I refuse. Well, I know this is kind 588 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: of a controversial thing to say. But I actually because 589 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: I was there during the fight to get birth control covered. 590 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: I think if if viagra had not been invented, we 591 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: would still be fighting to get birth control. But it 592 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: was because of viagra being covered by every insurance plan. 593 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: It just became so ludicrous to say, Okay, all of 594 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: these yes, as you say, a rectile's dysfunction drugs are 595 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: being covered, but we're not going to cover birth control. 596 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: We're not going to cover basic healthcare. Uh. And so 597 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: it's but it is crazy. And although I will say, 598 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: even in this last fight to defend the Affordable Care 599 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: Acts in the last couple of years, I mean, the 600 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: efforts to get rid of birth control access and maternity 601 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: benefits is ongoing. So even though you know many people 602 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: have said this, you know there is no fight that 603 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: is ever completely one. And I do think it's important 604 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: that people continue to talk about and hold their elected 605 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: officials accountable on making sure that health care isn't a 606 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: privilege in this country, but that it's a right for 607 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: everybody because it's good. It's good for our economy, and 608 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: it's good for our country. It's good for people, good 609 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: for families. Yes, and when and when you can win 610 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: both morally and financially. It seems ludicrous to your point 611 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: that we would be debating anymore, But you're right, at 612 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: the end of the day, there are elements of society 613 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: that we're not intended to include all of us. And 614 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: that's women, and that's people of color, and that's the marginalized, 615 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: and that's immigrants. And we have to as a community 616 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: fight for each other. And we have to remember that 617 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: we don't get to rest on our laurels when it 618 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: comes to health care, when it comes to women's care access, 619 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: we're always going to have to keep a watchful eye. 620 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: And I think that if we can commit to that, 621 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: it enables us to move forward. And and it is 622 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: that that fight. I'm curious. You know, we talked for 623 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: a moment about how your organizing career began working with 624 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: women and organizing women who were working for minimum wage, 625 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: and then that created this path which did eventually lead 626 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: you to planned parenthood. What was the what was the 627 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: timing of that organizing work and into planned parenthood, and 628 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: what did your life look like? And you know, who 629 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: who were you looking up to then? Who kind of 630 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: inspired that that forward march for you? Well, it's sort 631 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: of a classic example. I think, so you have like 632 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: just as women do, we kind of just do the 633 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: next thing that needs needs doing. And I was actually 634 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: at the time I was I was in Washington, and 635 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: when the job came open and someone called me, I 636 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I couldn't do that. I 637 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: don't have those kinds of skills. I've never run anything 638 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: that I had. Just like every other woman or so 639 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: many other women, I had all the list of reasons 640 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: why this would never work out. My kids were in school, 641 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't move. I mean, I just had a list 642 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: a mile long. And I remember um I had. They 643 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: had scheduled me for an interview with the search committee, 644 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: and I just had a panic attack and I I 645 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: ran into a coffee shop because I was going to 646 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: just cancel the interview. And I did what any grown 647 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: woman would do, is I called my mother and I said, Mom, 648 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: I can't do this. I don't I don't have the 649 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: skills for this job. And she just said, Cecil, get 650 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: over yourself. If you don't go and at least try 651 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: for that job. At Plan parented, you will never forgive yourself. 652 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: It's the most important organization in the country for women's health. 653 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: And and after all, she said something to me which 654 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 1: I always tell I tell other women. She said, what's 655 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: the worst thing that could happen? And sometimes I think 656 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: for women, if we just stop and say, okay, what 657 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: is the worst thing, maybe you don't get the job, 658 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: or maybe you do get the job and it doesn't 659 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: work out. But sometimes we just have to, I think, 660 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: imagine what the future could be, and then if we 661 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: could live through it, then we should go for it. 662 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: And so I always I mean, I credit mom because 663 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: I really didn't think I had the capability to do 664 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: that job, and obviously I didn't do it perfectly by 665 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: a long shot, but I'm so grateful and that she 666 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: encouraged me, and that other women encourage women to go 667 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: for things that they may not feel like they're ready 668 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: to do, because you know, it's amazing what women can do. 669 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes we just don't know until we try. Why why 670 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: do you say that you didn't do that job perfectly? 671 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: And look, I know that the word perfect is antithetical 672 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: to reality, but what in hindsight do you say that 673 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: because there are things that you would change, or just 674 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: because you're you know, a human being who was learning 675 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,720 Speaker 1: along the way. Because I think as I think for 676 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: a lot of us, UM, certainly in my growing up, 677 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: is that I think we always thought we were supposed 678 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: to be perfect, and then we weren't supposed to make mistakes. 679 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: And I UM, and I'm of course every because there 680 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: were a million things I could have done differently or better, 681 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: but that was because I was learned name and I 682 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: think again, I think about it now, and that's why 683 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: I do try to encourage, particularly young women, to say, 684 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: you know what, the only way you're going to learn 685 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: how to do more is if you take risks and 686 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: try things that you don't know how to do. UM. 687 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: And certainly that I feel like it is important for 688 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: all of us to share the things that we try 689 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: that didn't work out, because otherwise people do kind of 690 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: put you on this in this category of like, oh well, 691 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: I could never do what she did, and the truth 692 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: is millions of women can. UM. I think that is 693 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: That's part of our job now for all of us, UM, 694 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: is to actually encourage each other, support each other, recognize that, 695 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean, men haven't done done it perfectly either, and 696 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: that's okay. You know, are there leaving that space and 697 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,919 Speaker 1: thinking about that. And I do want to talk about 698 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: some some wins in a moment. But I am really 699 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: fascinated by this, And I'll give you an example. I 700 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: I just spoke to this really incredible h meditation teacher 701 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: and and I say, you know, what are for people listening, 702 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: what are like three things they could do to change everything? 703 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: And he said, um, you do not ever plug your 704 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: phone in your bedroom anymore. Get an alarm clock, uh, 705 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: plug the phone in somewhere else so that when you 706 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: wake up, you're not waking up with a hundred people 707 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: in your room. And then you know, before you before 708 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: you get up, set your intentions for the day, think 709 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: about what it is you want to accomplish. And then 710 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,959 Speaker 1: he said that he really thinks that for productivity, people 711 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: need to shrink their to do list. Like he said 712 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: that instead of eight to twelve things on it to 713 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: do list every day, he has two to three. And 714 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, those are really practical places for 715 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: people to start. And and so I'm curious as you 716 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: think about the the things that you learned in real 717 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: time running planned parenthood for women who are out there 718 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: taking a job maybe before they feel ready, or who 719 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: are in in a in a really intense you know 720 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: like hold on, hold on and roll with it working environment. 721 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: Are there maybe three takeaways that that you now know 722 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: that you would offer to people. I mean, look, I 723 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: guess I do try to give um, you know, um, 724 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: whether it's advice or just like what I've what I 725 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: guess I've I've experienced. I think one I always every 726 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: job I ever took, I looked for an opportunity where 727 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: there was someone who could teach me something new. UM. 728 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: And that meant sometimes, you know, going into work I 729 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily know how to do, like what I went 730 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: to work on Capitol Hill for Nancy Pelosi, had no 731 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: idea what I was doing, but I thought I could 732 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 1: learn stuff from her I and I really really did. 733 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: So I think looking for someone who you can learn 734 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: from is U is really important. I think the second 735 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: thing I've learned and certainly learned to plan parented, but 736 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: really in every job I've ever had is hire people 737 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: who are smarter than you. Don't be afraid to hire 738 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: someone who knows how to do things that you have 739 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: no idea how to do, because you're going to learn 740 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: from them, and it's no bad reflection on you. It's 741 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: actually how you grow an organization. UM, and it's it's 742 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: it's frankly, UM. I think I see that as a 743 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: weakness sometimes when people are afraid to hire someone that 744 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: actually may have more skills than they do. And I 745 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: think the third thing, and this is really a backwards lesson. 746 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: It's something I learned as a union organizer early in 747 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: my life, working with low income women and Louisiana and Texas, 748 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: and that is to really be a leader, UM, you 749 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: have to be a good listener. To me, that's the 750 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: most important skill you can have. I actually think our 751 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: government would be better if more people listened rather than told. 752 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's part of what's happening now is 753 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: that we act interesting. We just we just did a 754 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: survey with women and UM offered them the opportunity to 755 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: join this new organization and actually fill out a long questionnaire. 756 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: We thought no one would do it, but the truth is, 757 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: I think in the first week more than seventy women did. 758 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: And I think it's partly because I don't think women 759 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: feel like anyone is listening to them, and so I 760 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: do think or UM, you know, in some sometimes we 761 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: feel like we're supposed to have all the answers, but 762 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: often the answers are once that someone else has and 763 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: so that would be my third thing is is learn 764 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: how to listen. I love that. I am so excited 765 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 1: to be joining Gwyneth Paltrow's company Goop at their next 766 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 1: wellness summit in Goop Health. The summit is right outside 767 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: of San Francisco on Saturday, November and there are just 768 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: a few tickets left, which you can get at goop 769 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: dot com slash in Goop Health. Goop's summit is led 770 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: by Gwyneth and her chief content officer at Lease loan In. 771 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: It's a day to explore what it means to be 772 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: and feel well physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, and to 773 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: connect with a curious, open minded community in person. At 774 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: the summit, I'll be sitting down with a Lease, who's 775 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: the host of the Goop podcast and a real wellness seeker. 776 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: She and I became friends recently and I actually interviewed 777 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: her for work in Progress, so you'll be hearing from 778 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 1: her on this podcast very soon. But it in Goop Health. 779 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to let a Lease ask most of the questions. 780 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: In addition to my chat with Elise, she and Gwyneth 781 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: will be having conversations with a series of thought leaders 782 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: throughout the day, and other practitioners, teachers, and culture changers 783 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: will be leading classes and workshops. Guests will learn tools 784 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: for everything from reducing stress to having hard conversations, quieting 785 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: your inner critics, and taking care of your skin. And 786 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: because it's Goop, there will be plenty of good food, drinks, 787 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: Vitamin B twelve shots my favorite, and some other surprises 788 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: along the way. I'd love to see you there in 789 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: Goop Health is coming up on Saturday, November six in 790 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: the East Bay, and you can get tickets at goop 791 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: dot com, slash and Goop Health. While you were at 792 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: Plan Parenthood and and learning all of these valuable lessons, 793 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: and thank you for sharing them. How did you see 794 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: our country change? You know, the dialogue around health care access, 795 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: birth control, abortion, access, reproductive rights. What what did that 796 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: look like from your purview? Well, I I feel like actually, 797 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: fundamentally the belief in our country that, particularly when it 798 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:33,399 Speaker 1: relates to abortion, birth control, sexual and reproductive healthcare. Fundamentally, 799 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 1: people in this country they don't want to be labeled 800 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: for their positions. They don't see these political issues. They 801 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: see these as deeply personal issues. And basically the vast 802 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: majority of Americans think that it's important for people to 803 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 1: make their own health care decisions about everything, including pregnancy, 804 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: and that that's better than having the government make those 805 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: decisions or politicians. I think that's sort of a truism 806 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: that has been that has been constant, and I think 807 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: one of the things I learned is we make mistakes 808 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: when we try to label things in political terms, label 809 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: deeply personal issues with political nomenclature, because I think that's 810 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: just that people don't relate to that UM. I think 811 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: the other thing that I saw certainly over these last 812 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: twelve years, and it's not just simply related to the 813 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: issues plan parent it deals with. I just feel like 814 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: the hyper partisanship that's developed UM it's affected access to 815 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: affective healthcare issues, economic issues, the fact that that really know, 816 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, very few people have faith that UM members 817 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: from both parties can come together to make progress. I 818 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: think that's gotten worse in the last two years, but 819 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: it's been a trend that's been growing. I think that's 820 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 1: why honestly, having more women in office is a good idea. 821 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: You know, all the research shows that women are more 822 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: likely to work across party lines, they are more likely 823 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: to actually introduce and support and co sponsor legislation. Uh, 824 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: They're they're more they're more inclined to actually look for solutions. 825 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: And maybe it's because of their newness and politics, but 826 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: I just think women have a real um civilizing force 827 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 1: on on government and if we could, if we could 828 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: move more to a politics and government representation that was equal, 829 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 1: I think it would be enormously beneficial, because there's just 830 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: too much name calling, too much finger pointing um, and 831 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 1: not enough actually finding ways to progress well and something 832 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: that I'm really fascinated by. And Gosh, at this moment, 833 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: I really am hoping that anyone who's listening who doesn't 834 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: think the way you and I do about this issue 835 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,439 Speaker 1: doesn't turn off the interview now, because I do think 836 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: that having a dialogue across these lines is really important. 837 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: And I learned so much from the women in my life, 838 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: women like you, and women in even my peer community, 839 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: and a friend of mine, Brittany Packnett, who I talked 840 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: about a lot, who is an incredible educator and activist 841 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 1: and and the very personification of black girl magic. She 842 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: teaches me so much about what I have just been 843 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: unaware of as a person who did not grow up 844 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: in a community of color, as a person who was born, 845 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 1: you know, in the body that I was born in, 846 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: and something that I was unaware of, while I did 847 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: know that it was nine Republican men who passed Roe v. 848 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: Wade at the Supreme Court because they were listening to 849 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: doctors and we were listening to hard science, and we 850 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: were looking at the economic impact on women and men 851 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: and families, and we were looking at what was happening 852 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: with women dying, hundreds of women a year from these 853 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: horrible back alley procedures. It was a factual conversation. But 854 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: what I didn't know was that the far right did 855 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: not take up abortion as an issue, even though a 856 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: real view aid was passed in nineteen seventy three. The 857 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: the sort of far right, you know, radical conservative movement, 858 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: which I think is different than you know, the kind 859 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,760 Speaker 1: of conservative that maybe some of your you know, community 860 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: in Texas was, or half of my family likes to 861 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: think that they are um that that movement did not 862 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,919 Speaker 1: take up abortion as an issue until nineteen seventy nine, 863 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: and that was when they had really lost the final 864 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 1: sort of death shutters of overturning integration. The writing was 865 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: on the wall, and they realized that they were never 866 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: going to be able to have these legally sanctioned, this 867 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: legally sanctioned segmentation by race, and so they didn't care. 868 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't an issue. It was a it 869 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: was a medical and personal choice for people that was 870 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: meant to be left two doctors and patients. And I 871 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: find it strange that people think that that means doctors 872 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,760 Speaker 1: and women. It means doctors and women and their sexual partners, 873 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: because we don't get pregnant by spontaneous combustion, and and 874 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 1: and to understand that the same group of people who 875 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: wanted to discriminate based on skin color were then willing 876 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: to weaponize pregnancy and poverty and rape and incest and 877 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 1: and and threats to life because some pregnancies do threaten 878 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: the life of the mother. They chose to weaponize that 879 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: incredibly painful and private experience for women and their partners, 880 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: and unfortunately sometimes women and the people they were abused 881 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: by to create political gain. And that was a really 882 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 1: hard pill for me to swallow. And it's been very 883 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: hard to think about the way that this debate rages 884 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: uh something that I also learned this year, which I'm 885 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: embarrassed that I didn't know because I'm I'm a bit 886 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: of a science junkie, is that you know this whole 887 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: idea this and you can tell me if this is true, 888 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: but I believe that it is because of who told 889 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: me that these heartbeat bills are so ludicrous because there 890 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: isn't a heartbeat yet we're talking about his egoat, We're 891 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: talking about a cluster of cells. And what what is 892 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: quote heard at that you know, I believe is it 893 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 1: six or eight week exams? At the six week exam 894 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: is the electrical impulse being sent from the mother's heart? 895 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,240 Speaker 1: And when I and and just you know this idea 896 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: that again, this has been weaponized into this pr machine 897 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: two to take science out of the room and and 898 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: to take people's right to their own personhood out of 899 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: the room. And then what further is hard for me 900 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,439 Speaker 1: to understand is how they weaponize in some of these 901 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: states miscarriages against women, against women who might be ready 902 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,399 Speaker 1: to be moms or have babies with their partners, or 903 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: who have been trying to get pregnant for years and 904 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 1: unfortunately lose that pregnancy. And and that that is that 905 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: awful experience is being added into this debate. I'm really 906 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 1: kind of dumbfounded. And I wonder how you think we 907 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 1: can have calm and factual and medical conversations about the topic, 908 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 1: because we do have this rule of doctor patient confidentiality, 909 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: which is clearly being violated by all of this invasion 910 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 1: into those exam rooms and by all of these people 911 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: who scream at women and doctors at at clinics. And 912 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 1: I wonder how you think we de weaponize and bring 913 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: some sanity back here, because I don't know anybody who's 914 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: ever gone, you know what I've never done. I don't know. 915 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I want to go have an abortion, 916 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 1: like that's not somebody's choice. And and you know, I 917 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 1: also realized that again we're here to be vulnerable and 918 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: talk like I make. I have these opinions as a 919 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 1: person who's never been pregnant, like which is kind of miraculous. 920 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: Like I've lived with two people who have dated for 921 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: many years. I'm amazed that I've never been drunk and 922 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: stupid enough to like wind up pregnant by accident. I like, 923 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm not literally knocking on my head because there's no 924 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,279 Speaker 1: wood around, because I'm like I don't want to jinx 925 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 1: myself now, but I've also been through this with friends 926 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: who have made the right choice for themselves. And you know, 927 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: whether that's friends who shall remain nameless, or women who 928 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,760 Speaker 1: are in my peer group who I think are absolute heroes, 929 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,120 Speaker 1: like you know, Busy Phillips getting up and telling her 930 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: story and talking about what she needed to do for 931 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 1: herself at fifteen, and that enabled her to have her 932 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 1: career and eventually meet her husband and have her two children, 933 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 1: and and her life is fuller and better because she 934 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: was in control of her own body and to go 935 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: and you know, testify before congresses she did recently. I 936 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,879 Speaker 1: just I'm so in awe of the people who are 937 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,280 Speaker 1: able to step into this fight and and personalize it. 938 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 1: But I wonder what you think we do because we 939 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: have all this information and and we're dehumanizing people in 940 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: the midst of this really tender topic. And I don't 941 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do right. Well, a couple 942 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I have a couple of thoughts. Although this 943 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,680 Speaker 1: is obviously it's just a topic that we could talk 944 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: about for a long time, and I think it's a 945 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 1: couple of things you mentioned are important. One is this 946 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 1: didn't used to be a partisan political issue. And as 947 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,759 Speaker 1: you said, I mean, in fact, the Republican Party was 948 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: the party of small government, and that meant keeping government 949 00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,760 Speaker 1: out of your personal life. And that it is really 950 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: an irony now that the Party of small Government has 951 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: now become so obsessed with the most personal private decisions 952 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 1: that pregnant people, partners, families, couples make. And so that's 953 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 1: one thing that I think it is important to understand 954 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: the history it was used and now has driven this 955 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: enormous partisan wedge by frankly, the Republican Party becoming led 956 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,840 Speaker 1: by um people who absolutely want to end access to 957 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: legal abortion in this country. As you say, abortion existed 958 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: before Row versus Wade, it isn't that it isn't ro 959 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: versus Wade created the idea. It was simply that young, 960 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,320 Speaker 1: healthy women died in emergency rooms all across this country. 961 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,279 Speaker 1: And because I worked at Planned Parented, I would meet 962 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:57,880 Speaker 1: doctors who can still recount doing their residencies in emergency 963 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,200 Speaker 1: rooms watching young women die. And I I guess personally 964 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: for me, we I just as a country, I just 965 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 1: believe we cannot go back um to those to those days. 966 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: I do think that it's this isn't an issue that 967 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: should be political. I think this is an issue that 968 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: is so deeply personal, and I respect people who have 969 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of opinions about abortion. That is their right. 970 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: I think the fundamentally where the American people are is 971 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: they don't believe that politicians should make decisions about pregnancy. 972 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,720 Speaker 1: And as you said, we have laws now in states 973 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 1: where doctors are having to do invasive pelvic exams on 974 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,799 Speaker 1: women that are completely unnecessary medically, that are intrusive um. 975 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 1: And I actually just add something to that because I'm 976 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,200 Speaker 1: so glad you brought it up. And and something that 977 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,399 Speaker 1: broke my heart to read is that in Missouri they 978 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,759 Speaker 1: this law was passed that doctors have to perform not one, 979 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,719 Speaker 1: but to vaginal exams before a woman has allowed her 980 00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: right to choose. That there's no medically legitimate reason to 981 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,799 Speaker 1: justify these exams, that the American College of Obstetricians and 982 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 1: Gynecologists agrees that this is wildly inappropriate. They've called this 983 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: an invasive obligation, and one doctor said, to put it succinctly, 984 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: it feels like we are an instrument of the state 985 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,440 Speaker 1: in sanctioning sexual assault. It has been quite emotionally traumatizing, 986 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,719 Speaker 1: both for patients and providers. No, it's right, I mean 987 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 1: the stories and that takes my breath away to hear 988 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: a doctor say that they feel like the state is 989 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:41,280 Speaker 1: requiring them to assault their patients. That that is unfathomable 990 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,520 Speaker 1: to me. The story is coming out of Missouri are heartbreaking. Obviously, 991 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 1: um many of these exams are being undertaken or forced 992 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: pelvic exams on patients who have desperately wanted pregnancies that 993 00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,040 Speaker 1: they have to terminate for a whole host of reasons. 994 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,840 Speaker 1: It is it is the worst example, yes, of this 995 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 1: what it looks like when the government becomes in charge 996 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 1: of your body. And I do think when you ask, 997 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: because we could talk about this topic and there's so 998 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,840 Speaker 1: many things that need to be done, but I I 999 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 1: what I hear from women everywhere, and it's not only 1000 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: about the topic of abortion or reproductive health care. It 1001 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: is that we have to we have to return to 1002 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,080 Speaker 1: a time of empathy where we actually listen to people. 1003 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,080 Speaker 1: And again you mentioned Busy Phillips. I have such admiration 1004 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,800 Speaker 1: for her telling her story, which is not easy in 1005 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 1: front of Congress. Of course, people, women, couples, families are 1006 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,960 Speaker 1: now sharing the most deeply personal stories of their lives 1007 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 1: in order to try to create a sense in this 1008 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,280 Speaker 1: country that we can empathize with other people being able 1009 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,640 Speaker 1: to make their make these personal decisions. But that to 1010 00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,120 Speaker 1: me is where when we have frankly, you know, a 1011 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,080 Speaker 1: government in the president United States accusing women of the 1012 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 1: most horrific things. Um, that is it's it's I believe 1013 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,440 Speaker 1: that we are better as a people. And it's interesting. 1014 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,400 Speaker 1: I think partly as a result of whether it's Missouri 1015 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: and or Alabama banning basically all access to safe and 1016 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,800 Speaker 1: legal abortion. Um, all of these attacks have actually created 1017 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 1: a backlash. Um. I mean the support for ROVERSUS weight 1018 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,520 Speaker 1: is higher than it's ever been in this country because 1019 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: I think people are looking around realizing that the intention 1020 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,120 Speaker 1: of this government and potentially the Supreme Court is actually 1021 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: to end right that we've had for more than forty years. 1022 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,600 Speaker 1: And the last thing I'll say on this, Sophia, because 1023 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,320 Speaker 1: I think it is important planned parented. We worked so 1024 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: hard to get birth control access for millions of people, 1025 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 1: and in fact, now I think seventy million UM people 1026 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 1: have access to no cost birth control. As a result, 1027 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: we are now at the lowest rate of teenage pregnancy 1028 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,680 Speaker 1: in the history of the country, the lowest rate of 1029 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 1: aboard sin since Roe was decided. And instead of actually 1030 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: championing these these medical public health victories and ensuring that 1031 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: we do continue to make progress, I think the government 1032 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:17,160 Speaker 1: is going exactly in the opposite direction, because again, outlawing 1033 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 1: abortion will not make it go away. It will simply 1034 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 1: make it go to the back alleys as where it 1035 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: existed before. Well. And the thing that feels so ironic 1036 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,439 Speaker 1: to me is that, as you said, we should be celebrating, 1037 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 1: we are at the lowest rates ever of teen pregnancy 1038 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,800 Speaker 1: and abortion as a whole in the US. Ever so, 1039 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:41,480 Speaker 1: by creating access and creating better access to all reproductive 1040 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,720 Speaker 1: health care for both men and women, were actually all winning. 1041 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,920 Speaker 1: The right who's against it, and the left, who's who's 1042 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:55,840 Speaker 1: for choice. Everyone's winning. And it's it's confounding to me 1043 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,880 Speaker 1: that again it's being weaponized and being taken into this 1044 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,760 Speaker 1: of pr machine to act as though that's untrue. And 1045 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,640 Speaker 1: there's some facts that I think are incredibly important that 1046 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 1: back in three only thirty six percent of abortions were 1047 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 1: performed at or before eight weeks of pregnancy, and today, 1048 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,520 Speaker 1: sixty five percent of abortions that take place, again the 1049 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 1: lowest rate ever in history, take place before the first 1050 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:31,120 Speaker 1: eight weeks, and two percent happened before the first thirteen weeks. 1051 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:37,400 Speaker 1: So again, there are huge winds for people on all 1052 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,560 Speaker 1: sides here, and it's strange to me that we aren't acting, 1053 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,000 Speaker 1: as you said, as though this is a public health 1054 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 1: victory because it is because lowering rates of teen pregnancy, 1055 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,200 Speaker 1: lowering unintended pregnancies, lowering abortions, lowering STD transmissions, all of 1056 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,160 Speaker 1: these things are winds. But in order to keep those 1057 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,480 Speaker 1: things happening, we need more access, not less, because access 1058 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,480 Speaker 1: to reproduce to care is comprehensive. And it's strange to 1059 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,440 Speaker 1: me that the folks who are fighting against the access 1060 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 1: to reproductive care are also the same folks claiming that there, 1061 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, pro life, but really they're pro forced birth. 1062 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Because we're all pro life. We we all believe in 1063 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 1: in life, all of us. And this idea that you 1064 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,440 Speaker 1: could be pro forced birth, but vote against chip, vote 1065 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: against welfare, vote against maternity leave, vote against maternity care, 1066 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: vote against birth control, vote against treatment and funding for 1067 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,600 Speaker 1: women who have been sexually assaulted, vote against paternity leave 1068 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,960 Speaker 1: vote against food in schools, that you could support school 1069 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: lunch debt, and that you could believe that student debt, 1070 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: which puts people in poverty is okay, You're you're voting 1071 01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,840 Speaker 1: so down the line that this party that claims that 1072 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,680 Speaker 1: they're fighting for life is voting so down the line 1073 01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,920 Speaker 1: against life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, against healthcare, 1074 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,080 Speaker 1: against people actually being able to get out of the 1075 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,840 Speaker 1: cycles of poverty that make them not want to be 1076 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:11,880 Speaker 1: parents in the first place. So it seems because it 1077 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:17,320 Speaker 1: is really so illogical to me. Yeah, and one other 1078 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 1: I guess just to add to that, because I do 1079 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,960 Speaker 1: think there are a lot of ironies here. You know, 1080 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,760 Speaker 1: one of the one of the most tragic health statistics 1081 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 1: in the US right now is the rising rate of 1082 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:34,440 Speaker 1: maternal mortality. Especially women today giving birth is more likely 1083 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,919 Speaker 1: to die as a result of complications than our own mother. 1084 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,280 Speaker 1: And so at the same time that these states are 1085 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:47,320 Speaker 1: obsessing about um forcing women to taking the right away 1086 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,760 Speaker 1: of women, couples, pregnant people to make their own decisions, 1087 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 1: they're actually ignoring this enormous rise in maternal mortality. We 1088 01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,640 Speaker 1: lead the developed world, and particularly for women of color 1089 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,480 Speaker 1: and African American women. Um, the statistics are horrific. So 1090 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 1: I wish that the mainly men in office who were 1091 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 1: passing these bills would pay as much attention to what 1092 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,600 Speaker 1: is happening with women and mothers in this country because 1093 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 1: they aren't getting the kind of healthcare access that they need. 1094 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,760 Speaker 1: Um and that you know, as obviously Serena Williams told 1095 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,560 Speaker 1: her own story, this is too too often the story 1096 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,400 Speaker 1: of women in America. Absolutely, and I really wish to 1097 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,440 Speaker 1: your point that those men making these laws that have 1098 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,920 Speaker 1: increased maternal mortality by I wish that they were acknowledging 1099 01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,400 Speaker 1: that their laws are killing mothers. That's right, we are. 1100 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,000 Speaker 1: We are. We are killing mothers in our country because 1101 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 1: we have lost the plot on health care for women. 1102 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: And that is a really, really scary reality. That's not 1103 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: something that I thought we would be talking about in completely. 1104 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that breaks breaks your heart is 1105 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,000 Speaker 1: these are actually we don't have to invent new things. 1106 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,760 Speaker 1: This is actually medical care that is we know how 1107 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,600 Speaker 1: to do. We just simply need the political will in 1108 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,560 Speaker 1: this country to make sure that everyone gets access to healthcare. 1109 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,920 Speaker 1: And again, I mean it's sort of circling back to 1110 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,800 Speaker 1: the to the big theme. I just think that is 1111 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,120 Speaker 1: why you were seeing more women politically active than ever before. 1112 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:28,760 Speaker 1: Women were fifty percent of the voters in I think 1113 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 1: if women are percent of the voters in this country 1114 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,600 Speaker 1: will probably change direction. And and I think that's a 1115 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,440 Speaker 1: good thing. I do too, and I do hope that 1116 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,000 Speaker 1: we can change it, because again, I think people focus 1117 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,400 Speaker 1: on the abortion debate when we're not really talking about 1118 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,760 Speaker 1: comprehensive women's health care and just two things. I want 1119 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 1: to leave this conversation with our two facts I think 1120 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: are really powerful that compared to states that support women's health, 1121 01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: states that oppose safe in legal abortion, spend less money 1122 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:05,440 Speaker 1: per child on services including foster care, education, welfare, and 1123 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,080 Speaker 1: the adoption of children who have physical and mental disabilities. 1124 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,640 Speaker 1: And states that have the strongest laws against safe and 1125 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,840 Speaker 1: legal abortion are also the states in which women suffer 1126 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:21,480 Speaker 1: from lower levels of education and the highest levels of poverty, 1127 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,760 Speaker 1: as well as a lower ratio of male to female earnings. 1128 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,720 Speaker 1: And those states also have a lower percentage of women 1129 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,240 Speaker 1: in the legislature and fewer mandates requiring insurance providers to 1130 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:38,480 Speaker 1: cover minimum hospital stays after childbirth. That is, that is 1131 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:43,080 Speaker 1: not a pro family policy. So I'm really hoping that 1132 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,680 Speaker 1: the facts I would help us get back to rationale 1133 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,240 Speaker 1: I think we had. You know, it's not lost on 1134 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,840 Speaker 1: anyone that you know, the legislators in Alabama who just 1135 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,680 Speaker 1: voted to outlaw all safe and legal abortion had one 1136 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,240 Speaker 1: thing in common, and that is that none of them 1137 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,840 Speaker 1: will ever be preg because they were all men. And 1138 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,040 Speaker 1: I just think if we had more of a balance 1139 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,680 Speaker 1: in government, where we were you know, as we used 1140 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,160 Speaker 1: to say, planned parent and if we're if we were 1141 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,920 Speaker 1: not you know, if women weren't at the table, we 1142 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: were on the menu. And that kind of feels like 1143 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,160 Speaker 1: it's true. I think it's just time for more women 1144 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,160 Speaker 1: to be at the table. Well. I really appreciate you know, 1145 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,000 Speaker 1: your your fight to bring some sanity back to the 1146 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,600 Speaker 1: debate and to really remind people that abortion has been weaponized. 1147 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,800 Speaker 1: But it's really when we look at the comprehensive list 1148 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,840 Speaker 1: of women's healthcare that we are fighting for and that 1149 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,560 Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood is fighting for and all of these organizations 1150 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,200 Speaker 1: are fighting for, it's a very small piece of the puzzle, 1151 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,560 Speaker 1: and we are talking about how to better take care 1152 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:47,800 Speaker 1: of women, families, babies, maternal mortality, maternal healthcare, post childbirth care, 1153 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,320 Speaker 1: all of these things, they are all wrapped in one package. 1154 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 1: And if we keep doing what we've been doing, we 1155 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,000 Speaker 1: will continue to be solving for a public health crisis 1156 01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,600 Speaker 1: rather than creating one because some people wanted to argue 1157 01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: with each other, right, No, I believe we have so 1158 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,640 Speaker 1: much more in common in this country than we would 1159 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: believe if you watch the news, and it is exciting 1160 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,640 Speaker 1: to be, you know, working organizing women together across party, 1161 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 1: across issue, across geography and income and race. Is I 1162 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,920 Speaker 1: just think, Um, we believe that that we can do better, 1163 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,680 Speaker 1: and I know we can. Yeah, Well that makes me 1164 01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,200 Speaker 1: so excited because you mentioned it. But I really would 1165 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:35,440 Speaker 1: like the listeners to hear about Supermajority. You have said 1166 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,880 Speaker 1: that creating this organization is about creating a home for 1167 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:43,680 Speaker 1: women's activism, which I love, and the name Supermajority nods 1168 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,280 Speaker 1: to the fact that we are, in fact the majority 1169 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,920 Speaker 1: of the US population. So can you tell us about 1170 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,160 Speaker 1: Supermajority's goals and how this all came to be sure? 1171 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it really grew out of my work at 1172 01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood, Sophia, with that thought that there were mill 1173 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,480 Speaker 1: millions of women in this country who were kind of 1174 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,000 Speaker 1: waking up and saying, wow, I I, UM, maybe I marched, 1175 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,200 Speaker 1: or maybe I've been volunteering uh somewhere, but I actually 1176 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,840 Speaker 1: would like to get now involved in and advocating for 1177 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,000 Speaker 1: the issues I care about, whether it's equal pay, whether 1178 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:21,320 Speaker 1: it's access to affordable childcare, reproductive rights, or just access 1179 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,000 Speaker 1: to preventive care at large. And so I joined with 1180 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,160 Speaker 1: a couple of my colleagues who are also great organizers, 1181 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:32,040 Speaker 1: I Gen Poo who runs the National Domestic Workers Alliance, 1182 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:37,080 Speaker 1: Alicia Garza, formidable organizer, one of the founders of Black 1183 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:42,680 Speaker 1: Lives Matter, And we've been traveling the country now providing training, resources, 1184 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,679 Speaker 1: support to women who want to be stronger advocates UM, 1185 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,160 Speaker 1: some of whom may end up running for office, and 1186 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,960 Speaker 1: but ultimately they want to be involved in civic life. 1187 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,519 Speaker 1: They want to be informed voters, and and our goal 1188 01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,920 Speaker 1: in this next eighteen months is too um educate and 1189 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,439 Speaker 1: inform and connect two million women in America and make 1190 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,960 Speaker 1: sure that we have the biggest women's turnout ever in 1191 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,080 Speaker 1: the history of the country. In I think women are 1192 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,200 Speaker 1: going to determine the future um of the politics in 1193 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,680 Speaker 1: America and and I think it's a good time to 1194 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,600 Speaker 1: do it. Um As you say, We're not trying to 1195 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,040 Speaker 1: supplant the role of men in this country, but it's 1196 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,000 Speaker 1: just time for equal representation. And I think attention to 1197 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the issues that that women are talking about every day 1198 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,800 Speaker 1: but so amazing. And I have to tell you an 1199 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:32,120 Speaker 1: embarrassing story. I met i Jim Poo at the last 1200 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,840 Speaker 1: United States of Women that Mrs Obama throws And when 1201 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,920 Speaker 1: I tell you, I came around the corner and I 1202 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 1: saw her, and I pulled a full embarrassing fangirl moment. 1203 01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,200 Speaker 1: I went, I went like all Google eyed, and she 1204 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,040 Speaker 1: was like hi, and I was like, oh my god, Hi, 1205 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,599 Speaker 1: I'm such a huge fan of yours. Oh my god. 1206 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,160 Speaker 1: And I fell all over myself and she was very sweet. 1207 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,400 Speaker 1: She was like, I also follow you on Instagram. It's okay. 1208 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,439 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, thank god we had 1209 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,040 Speaker 1: this whole No, that's good. She's so. I think that's incredible, 1210 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,240 Speaker 1: and that's so glad that you guys are all working together. 1211 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,559 Speaker 1: And I think what you're doing with super Majority is 1212 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:15,200 Speaker 1: amazing because you're arming people with options and educating so 1213 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,599 Speaker 1: many of us on just what it is we can do. 1214 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,800 Speaker 1: And I love that you call it the Women's New Deal. 1215 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, where do I sign up? Yeah? No, it's UM, 1216 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,720 Speaker 1: and I think it is sort of I love that 1217 01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,840 Speaker 1: story of you and I Gen because I do think 1218 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,040 Speaker 1: this sort of mutual fan girling that I think women 1219 01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:38,640 Speaker 1: are doing writ large across the country is so exciting, 1220 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's what we're trying to channel to make 1221 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,799 Speaker 1: sure this isn't just a moment, but that it's actually 1222 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:48,280 Speaker 1: a movement um for gender equality and what an opportunity 1223 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,080 Speaker 1: that will be for our sons and our daughters to 1224 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,360 Speaker 1: live in a world where everyone has equal, equal access. Um, 1225 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,479 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's time. So I love that. 1226 01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I can't wait to tell Agen that I talked to 1227 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,360 Speaker 1: you as UM. She'll be thrilled. I She'll love that 1228 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:06,680 Speaker 1: that memory. So in thinking about that, in in cultivating 1229 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,400 Speaker 1: a better world for our sons and daughters and and 1230 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,760 Speaker 1: those to come, I think for so many women it 1231 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,800 Speaker 1: is hard to know where to start when it comes 1232 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,880 Speaker 1: to civic participation. A lot of people say, well where 1233 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,439 Speaker 1: do I begin? And to your point earlier, we do 1234 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,120 Speaker 1: want to do more than resist. We want to confront problems. 1235 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,479 Speaker 1: We want to solve them. We we want to solve 1236 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,560 Speaker 1: across party lines and across communities and in our own neighborhoods. 1237 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,400 Speaker 1: So what do you suggest that women and men, anyone 1238 01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,120 Speaker 1: who's listening, who wants to get involved do to get 1239 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:46,400 Speaker 1: started and to lessen that intimidation factor. What's what's the 1240 01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,920 Speaker 1: first step? What's the toolkit? Right? Well, I mean one, 1241 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,680 Speaker 1: I encourage anyone that wants to to sign up for 1242 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,400 Speaker 1: Supermajority because we're doing trainings, we're doing sort of basic 1243 01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,880 Speaker 1: how to tips on how to be a better organizer 1244 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,679 Speaker 1: an activist. The other thing that I think is important, Sophia, 1245 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,400 Speaker 1: is sometimes people think there was some sort of magic 1246 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,840 Speaker 1: formula of how to make change, or that there is 1247 01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,640 Speaker 1: some secret club you need to join. The truth is 1248 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 1: you just need to start. And so I tell people, 1249 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,759 Speaker 1: you know, volunteer for a group that you support, find 1250 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,400 Speaker 1: a friend who you know is involved in an issue 1251 01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,800 Speaker 1: that you care about, go to a meeting, attend a 1252 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,599 Speaker 1: town hall, volunteer on a campaign. Because the only way 1253 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,040 Speaker 1: we're going to change the world, it's not going to 1254 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,040 Speaker 1: be top down, it's going to be bottom up. And again, 1255 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,360 Speaker 1: I think this is a moment, This is a moment 1256 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 1: in which activism has never been more important and frankly 1257 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,160 Speaker 1: never been more available. Um but again, I encourage folks 1258 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,160 Speaker 1: to sign up for Supermajority will you'll will connect you 1259 01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,160 Speaker 1: with other people in your in your community, because there 1260 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,720 Speaker 1: are millions and millions of people in this country who 1261 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,080 Speaker 1: really are trying to make a difference. And it can 1262 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,559 Speaker 1: be as I wrote in my book, you Know make trouble. 1263 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,880 Speaker 1: I think active as them can be joyful. It'll make 1264 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,000 Speaker 1: you feel better than than throwing things at the television set, 1265 01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,240 Speaker 1: and you will meet the most amazing people along the way. Absolutely, 1266 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,960 Speaker 1: if you could tell women one thing that they could 1267 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 1: do that would make a difference, what do you think 1268 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,000 Speaker 1: that would be? Well, I mean, I think everyone always 1269 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,840 Speaker 1: wants to think there's one thing they can do that 1270 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 1: makes a difference. So to me, it's just do more 1271 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,479 Speaker 1: than you're doing. I don't there isn't any one thing 1272 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,840 Speaker 1: that will change what's happening in this country or what's 1273 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,840 Speaker 1: happening in the world. I think. But if we don't 1274 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 1: do anything, I think we know what will happen. Then 1275 01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,600 Speaker 1: that is things will stay the same. So again, you know, 1276 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,400 Speaker 1: I've been so inspired by women standing at the border 1277 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:46,040 Speaker 1: and supporting you know, supporting families and opposing family separation, 1278 01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,880 Speaker 1: or folks who've been volunteering at planned period at health 1279 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,840 Speaker 1: centers to support patients UH in communities all across this country. 1280 01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,720 Speaker 1: Folks who are running for office, people who are attending UM, 1281 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,679 Speaker 1: you know, whenever Congress is back home, you know, go 1282 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,280 Speaker 1: and make make your voice heard. Is if everyone just 1283 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,960 Speaker 1: does that much more. I really do think that's how 1284 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,559 Speaker 1: change happens. It's not going to be one magic, magic thing. 1285 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,960 Speaker 1: And again, if you can't find anything else to do 1286 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,000 Speaker 1: and join us at Supermajority and we'll put you to work, yes, 1287 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,040 Speaker 1: and we'll make sure we'll we'll get UH in our 1288 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,439 Speaker 1: stories for this episode, we'll get the Supermajority link up, 1289 01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,200 Speaker 1: and we'll make sure that all the listeners have a 1290 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,360 Speaker 1: quick access to get signed up. UM. Hearing you say 1291 01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:35,320 Speaker 1: that makes me think about my friend Glenn, and Doyle says, 1292 01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,160 Speaker 1: when you don't know what to do, do the next 1293 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,040 Speaker 1: right thing right, And I just love that. It's like 1294 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,920 Speaker 1: you've got to take the next step and we've got 1295 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:51,360 Speaker 1: to keep going. So obviously we could expound on issues 1296 01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:57,519 Speaker 1: and legislation and inspiration and the fight forever. I am 1297 01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,960 Speaker 1: curious kind of going back to that for this initial question, 1298 01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,080 Speaker 1: when you're not being one of the most inspiring women 1299 01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,720 Speaker 1: in our movement. What's a normal day, what do you 1300 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:15,599 Speaker 1: what's your break or guilty pleasure show or moment of 1301 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,880 Speaker 1: self care? What do you enjoy doing with your kids? 1302 01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:23,280 Speaker 1: You know, what's what's your personal life? Yeah? I mean, look, 1303 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,080 Speaker 1: I think my kids and my family and my husband Kirk, 1304 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,000 Speaker 1: who has like stuck with me for all these crazy years. Um, 1305 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:35,160 Speaker 1: that is really where I get my I guess, my reinforcement. 1306 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,599 Speaker 1: So whether it's getting to you know, make pasta with 1307 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,479 Speaker 1: my kids or um, go out and take my dog 1308 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,479 Speaker 1: Ali with Kirk for a walk in the park. I 1309 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,599 Speaker 1: think we all just I've never really appreciated more how 1310 01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,480 Speaker 1: much we do need to um take time for ourselves 1311 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,800 Speaker 1: and to be committed to the long haul because this 1312 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,760 Speaker 1: is this it can be exhausting, it can be discouraging. 1313 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna lose more than we win. And I think 1314 01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,840 Speaker 1: it's important that you know, for for folks who may 1315 01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,400 Speaker 1: be listening, who feel like they've just been you know, 1316 01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,439 Speaker 1: beating their head against the wall, it's okay to take 1317 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,840 Speaker 1: a break. You know that someone else can replace you 1318 01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,639 Speaker 1: on the field until you're ready to come back in. Uh. 1319 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,360 Speaker 1: And I do think particularly for women who have who 1320 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,760 Speaker 1: are feeling frightened, who are feeling perhaps discouraged by the 1321 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,880 Speaker 1: state of affairs, I think it's important, um, that we 1322 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,599 Speaker 1: support each other and that we check in on each 1323 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,760 Speaker 1: other because these are these are tough times, these are 1324 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,439 Speaker 1: perilous times, and no one's going to make it through 1325 01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:39,799 Speaker 1: on their own. Yeah. To remember, I heard Shannon Watts, 1326 01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,160 Speaker 1: you know who created Mom's demand. She said, we've got 1327 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,479 Speaker 1: to really remember that it's a relay race. You've got 1328 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,960 Speaker 1: to hand off the baton sometimes. And I just love 1329 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,760 Speaker 1: that because we do. We get we get sort of 1330 01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,800 Speaker 1: obsessed with this idea that we're supposed to do it 1331 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,800 Speaker 1: all and and we forget that we find our our 1332 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,320 Speaker 1: solace and our strength and our communities. So too, to 1333 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:07,920 Speaker 1: pass off the baton is important. Agreed. Yeah, Well, I 1334 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,760 Speaker 1: have one last question for you, although again I feel 1335 01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,080 Speaker 1: like I could do this with you all day. The 1336 01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:19,320 Speaker 1: title of this podcast is called work in progress because 1337 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,679 Speaker 1: I see so many people out there sort of suffering 1338 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,680 Speaker 1: from the same feeling that you know, we look at 1339 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,280 Speaker 1: the world now through screens primarily, and everyone on Instagram 1340 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,200 Speaker 1: and Facebook looks like they have it all figured out, 1341 01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,679 Speaker 1: and we're sort of convinced then that we're the only 1342 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,759 Speaker 1: one who's still finding our way, when in reality, every 1343 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,760 Speaker 1: person who I look up to, who I've ever spoken to, 1344 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,840 Speaker 1: has said that, you know, whether they're joking and they say, oh, 1345 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,439 Speaker 1: I have no idea what I'm doing, or they're talking 1346 01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:52,160 Speaker 1: about what they might have been struggling with recently. Uh, 1347 01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,240 Speaker 1: we're all working on it. Even Oprah said that when 1348 01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,519 Speaker 1: she did her show, every single time and interview would end, 1349 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,520 Speaker 1: the guests would look at her say did I do okay? 1350 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Whether that was Barack Obama or Beyonce or you know, 1351 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,720 Speaker 1: the world's biggest CEO. Everybody just wants to make sure 1352 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,160 Speaker 1: they're doing okay. So, as a person who I certainly 1353 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,559 Speaker 1: look at as as you know, a leader in an 1354 01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,880 Speaker 1: inspiration who's also a very real human, what would you 1355 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:24,000 Speaker 1: say right now in your life feels like a work 1356 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:29,040 Speaker 1: in progress, a goal or a project or or something 1357 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:33,919 Speaker 1: that you're really working on figuring out next? Um, probably 1358 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,799 Speaker 1: so many things. But I guess I'm a really impatient person. 1359 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,200 Speaker 1: I just um. In fact, one time I had a 1360 01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,320 Speaker 1: coach who said to me, she said, you don't need 1361 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,120 Speaker 1: to count to ten, you need to count to like 1362 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:52,720 Speaker 1: a thousand. Um. And so I think I'm trying to 1363 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:58,280 Speaker 1: work on being healthily and you know, being impatient but 1364 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,640 Speaker 1: in a healthy way, and and trying to just be 1365 01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,280 Speaker 1: more patient with the slow pace of progress sometimes because 1366 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,479 Speaker 1: I think it's um you know, you have to have 1367 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,160 Speaker 1: a long haul vision, and I think right now, so 1368 01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,479 Speaker 1: I'm working on trying to be just a tiny bit 1369 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,360 Speaker 1: more patient. I'll let you know how it goes. Though. 1370 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:24,000 Speaker 1: So that that meditation teacher who's actually meditation teachers have 1371 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,080 Speaker 1: not the right term for him. He's a former monk, 1372 01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,960 Speaker 1: if you can believe so inspiring that that I got 1373 01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:34,599 Speaker 1: to interview recently said something so interesting to me. He said, 1374 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,360 Speaker 1: give it the month test, like will it will this 1375 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,400 Speaker 1: matter to you in a month? Because if not, it's 1376 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,680 Speaker 1: not worth getting upset about. And I thought, Wow, it's 1377 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,800 Speaker 1: a really good thing to think about when I'm stuck 1378 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,360 Speaker 1: in l A rush hour traffic and there's seventeen thousand 1379 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,679 Speaker 1: people on the tent freeway and i want to rip 1380 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,400 Speaker 1: my hair out because I just want to go home. Uh, 1381 01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,400 Speaker 1: you know that that's really not going to matter to 1382 01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,160 Speaker 1: me even by the time I get to my house. 1383 01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:01,639 Speaker 1: So I hope that that might be slightly helpful in 1384 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,640 Speaker 1: in those moments when you need to count to a thousand. Yeah. No, 1385 01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it's sort of like, don't 1386 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,120 Speaker 1: sweat the don't sweat the small stuff, and I do 1387 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,200 Speaker 1: believe in that. UM. I think that I think the 1388 01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,840 Speaker 1: challenge right now and a lot of the things we've 1389 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,160 Speaker 1: talked about in this podcast are these are long term 1390 01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:24,840 Speaker 1: issues to solve, UM and building a society where people 1391 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:29,240 Speaker 1: have equal opportunity and where you know, we can whether 1392 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,639 Speaker 1: it's based on race, or gender or sexual orientation, all 1393 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,280 Speaker 1: the things that have been barriers to people in some 1394 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,400 Speaker 1: ways because of our culture. I think these are not 1395 01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,799 Speaker 1: things that get solved overnight. And I think it's easy 1396 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,759 Speaker 1: to get frustrated when you feel like you can't change 1397 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,560 Speaker 1: what's happening in Alabama immediately or change what's happening in 1398 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Missouri immediately. But it's important to not give up. And 1399 01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,479 Speaker 1: I guess that's the most That's that's what I try 1400 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,680 Speaker 1: to keep in mind. UM. But it's been such a 1401 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,400 Speaker 1: thrill to talk to you, Sofia, thank you for Thank 1402 01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,840 Speaker 1: you for including me and would luck with this really 1403 01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:09,559 Speaker 1: important podcast. This show is executive produced by Me, Sophia Bush, 1404 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,680 Speaker 1: and sim Sarna. Our supervising producer is Alison Bresnick. Our 1405 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:17,679 Speaker 1: associate producer is Kate Linley. Our editors are Josh Wendish 1406 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,719 Speaker 1: and Matt Sasaki, and our music was written by Jack 1407 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,880 Speaker 1: Garrett and produced by Mark Foster. This show is brought 1408 01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,760 Speaker 1: to you by Killion Anatomy