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Speaker 2: I got a good one for you, The Union, starring

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Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg and Halle Berry.

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Speaker 1: Oh, America's greatest actor, Mark Wahlberg.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, America's greatest patriot, America's greatest actor. Would have gone

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Speaker 2: literally any of the horrible attacks in American history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I should I should include some alternate histories of

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Speaker 1: the terrorist events in my show where Mark Wahlberg stopped.

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Speaker 2: Them Pearl Harbor. That sh would have gone down a

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Speaker 2: lot different if I had been there, Bro.

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Speaker 3: I would have told, Hey, keep your head on a swibble, Bro,

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, if Mark Wahlberg had been in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely clear, eyes, warm heart, Hello the Internet, and

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Speaker 2: welcome to season three point fifty one, episode two of.

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Speaker 4: Dr Day's iisting production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast

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Speaker 4: where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness.

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Speaker 4: And it is Tuesday, August twentieth, twenty four eight.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two four mm hmm, which means National Accessible Air

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Speaker 3: Travel Day, is National Chocolate pecan pie Day, National radio Day.

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Speaker 3: Don't care about that because this is podcasting. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: that's it for today. Just three three things, just the

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Speaker 2: Damn, just three on the menu down out here, and

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Speaker 2: pick can pie? You a fan?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah? Oh fuck yeah, even not even in a

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Speaker 3: Is that why? Yeah, they got a little greasy.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jack O'Brien aka the the cam Bitch

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Speaker 2: aka sit in on the trash, eating garbage, ripping them

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Speaker 2: I just that name, I just sticks in my brain. MP.

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Speaker 2: I'm always worried that I'm like mispronouncing or like missing

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Speaker 2: Is that like maple doctor or something? You know, like

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Speaker 2: September forty four through nineteen sixty seven.

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Speaker 3: Yes he's back, the bee boy champion of North Hollywood

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Speaker 2: You probably already follow her on Twitter at Socialist dog

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Speaker 1: Molly can't glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Oh God? Is that are you? Is that usual?

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Speaker 1: Oh it's made out of like cheap metal, but it's

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Speaker 1: Right, I think because they know, like, whatever is happening

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Speaker 3: What's the weirdest one you got?

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Speaker 1: Well, the lobster is my favorite because they just look

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Speaker 3: Wow, I need to look that up. Lobster Wiener dog costumes.

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Speaker 1: Buck looks great. And his lion costume the Panda bear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lion costume is the most that

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Speaker 2: my dog, dearly departed Finny ever communicated that like fuck

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Speaker 1: Sometimes find it very degrading.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like I think he rolled

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Speaker 3: This, you're fucking naked.

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Speaker 2: You look ridiculous. What is something, Molly that you think

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait for it, having a little treat. I subscribe

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Speaker 3: I saw that. That's a Japanese that's a Uni.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did some googling about Japanese pencils.

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Speaker 3: What is that point five millimeter or point?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, point five point five?

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Speaker 3: Just checking, just checking, just checking.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna annotate these Nazi memoir with something precise.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, it's nice, cheap ass plastic bic. Bro,

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Speaker 3: look at this shit. It's heavier than a police baton

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Speaker 3: and I'm writing with it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean the engineering is tysnically.

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Speaker 3: A murder weapon.

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Speaker 2: You are you guys are able to use like I

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Speaker 3: And you're able to use finer? How many times you

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Speaker 3: when you're like like, damn it fourteen times, Jack, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think you understand the engineering that goes into the Korutoga

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Speaker 2: Okay, you got, you got are elite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes with a diamond infused graphite. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: that's not breaking off Holy shit, no way is it

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Speaker 3: Wow. I thought it was just my pre roll joints

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Speaker 3: that were diamond infused, and now we're talking about fucking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean if you're struggling with your with

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'll be like, I mean I have

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Speaker 6: Just because you're just too strong or right, just incredible yeah,

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Speaker 1: Is back door bragging about your incredible grip strength, right,

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Speaker 2: And then like the pencil speaking of diamonds turns into

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Speaker 3: Is handwriting analysis like that forensic? Is that an action?

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Speaker 3: Is that a pseudo science? It's fake, right, Yeah, But

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Speaker 3: I feel like the one time they're like, yo, this dude,

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Speaker 3: look just looking at this handwriting, he is gripping that

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Speaker 2: All the just sweat pouring all over over the page.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he's got a lot going on, a lot

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Speaker 3: Wait, what's another kind of treat? What's another Like, what's

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Speaker 1: It's fives based, man, you know it's Yeah, when the

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Speaker 1: Let it happen, Let the treat be part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Like it was shopping at Costco recently and they had

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Speaker 1: the Kirkland signature brand sweatshirt that I've been thinking about

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Speaker 2: Logo blast on the front.

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Speaker 3: Yeah baby wow, and they got that black black color tone.

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Speaker 1: Black on black, Like I didn't need this, I didn't

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Speaker 3: And in a way like impossible to detect, like to

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Speaker 3: signature hoodie. They're like, good luck, motherfucker, that's countrys. Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: Damn I got to get one of those.

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Speaker 1: I know, I got this. I got the matching sweatpants

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Speaker 2: And they got a logo too cool. Oh yeah down

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Speaker 1: They have that one, but I couldn't find it, so

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Speaker 3: Fit Yeah, yeah, yeah, damn, okay.

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Speaker 1: All right right sponsored me Costco?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see you, but only as related to fashion

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Speaker 1: Like now that I am a professional podcaster, I just

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Speaker 1: I feel so much more at home, Like I can't

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Speaker 1: Like no, I buy all my clothes at Costco. Right,

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Speaker 1: So like, thank god I'm a podcaster now. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: You look the part.

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Speaker 2: When my friends talk about going into an office, I

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Speaker 3: I don't even have clothes I can wear in bubbling.

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Speaker 1: I'm not wearing pants right now.

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Speaker 3: No, none of us are. I'm wearing I'm wearing one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't.

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Speaker 1: This isn't from the mid chest up profession.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like those like like how like someone

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Speaker 1: Just h oh yeah, the little chop top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If my belly button can't breathe, neither can I.

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Speaker 2: All right, what is Molly something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 1: Oh so I am. I'm my struggle right now, so

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Speaker 1: overrated wedding venues. I am trying to plan a wedding

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Speaker 1: used to be a fucking plantation, every single one of them.

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Speaker 1: And they don't tell you it's not on the website.

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Speaker 1: They're not honest about it. So I'm digging through like

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Because they will tell you and everything is a fucking barn.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get married in a barn.

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Speaker 2: Question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the was this the venue for unspeakable atrocities.

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Speaker 2: That will haunt my marriage?

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Speaker 1: For professional portraits made of my entire family? Like in

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, wait, so have you like I'm guessing like

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Speaker 3: I just found the thing that basically it bears all

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Speaker 1: I mean, thankfully, you know, doing the research, getting weird,

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about everybody.

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Speaker 3: Else, right right, right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to know the providence of these bricks, okay, right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Further, it's like, are these conflict bricks because we

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Speaker 3: can't have that, we can't have you don't.

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Speaker 1: Want to like child they had children make the bricks

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want any part of that, right,

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Speaker 3: It's like, how do you think they got the intricate thing?

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Speaker 1: A little thinky prints, Like the nail factory that used

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, well then so so no Blake Lively plantation

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just I don't want there to be

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Speaker 3: So what are your options? You don't want a barn,

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Speaker 2: Were even an incidental horse, You're like, get that motherfucker

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Speaker 1: There's no hay. There's no hay in this in this situation. Okay, right,

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Speaker 1: but guys overrated, you know, like, oh for twenty five

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Speaker 3: No, sure, no, no, it's like, but the horses do

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Speaker 3: stay if you want the horses out, that's thirty.

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Speaker 1: Grand Oh that's extra, that's extra, yeah right right right, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Now yeah, I don't I don't horse hotel.

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Speaker 3: I don't envy those. I know a few people who

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't miss that. I don't miss that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to plan my own birthday party.

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Speaker 1: Why why is this my problem so overread? The entire

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Speaker 2: Don't want to Is that because people used to be

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Speaker 2: it's just like everything with plantations back then.

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Speaker 1: So they're just like, I mean, it's for Virginia. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of our large, beautiful old buildings, right didn't

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Speaker 1: where there was that sort of like mid twentieth century

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Speaker 3: Right, so that was to draw yeah, right exactly, it's like,

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Speaker 3: well ignore, just just focus on like the glitz and

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Speaker 1: It was a farm, Oh who was farming.

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Speaker 3: They like cotton or something? Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

438
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 3: I think like the king was cotton or something. I

439
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 3: don't know. I can't I didn't read the whole thing,

440
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 3: but kind of murky, move.

441
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 2: It along, move it along. All right, let's take a

442
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 2: quick break and we're going to come back and talk

443
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: some weird little guys. We'll be right back.

444
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and we're back.

445
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 2: We're back and yeah. So just to kind of give

446
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: people an introduction, although everybody should just go listen to

447
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: episode zero, where you do a beautiful job of giving

448
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: an introduction to the premise of the show. But one

449
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 2: of the ideas is that these people who you know,

450
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: organize the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, stage domestic terrorism,

451
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: storm the Capitol on January sixth, They are associated with

452
00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: these big ideas and huge historical trends, but ultimately they

453
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: often turn out to be just some guy you compared

454
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: to the end of a Scooby Doo episode, except Scooby

455
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 2: Doo doesn't have the courage or run time to then

456
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 2: like spend an hour digging into the weird backstories of

457
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: the people under the masks.

458
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 3: But you do.

459
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 2: You tell us what the fuck is going on with

460
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 2: these people, and it's it's endlessly entertaining. Is there an

461
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: example that you use to explain the premise of your

462
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: show to someone who asks, like what your podcast is about?

463
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh man, they should have prepared me better for this marketing.

464
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 3: Right.

465
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: No, but like you said, the idea is that they're

466
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: all just these kind of sad little freaks, and they

467
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: want us to believe that they're like the second coming

468
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 1: of Hitler, right, that they're mighty and powerful and impressive

469
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: and you should be very scared of them.

470
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: And that is a compliment that gets like thrown around

471
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 2: or like people are like this person might be the

472
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 2: second coming of Hitler, like, and that's good, and that's

473
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: what he wants.

474
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: He wants you to think like, oh, it's this powerful monster.

475
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that. Like the things that they

476
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: did are not serious, right, Like you know the end

477
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: of an episode of Scooby Doo when they unmask the

478
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: you know, the caretaker who's been haunting the mansion, like

479
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 1: he still did what they think the monster did. He said,

480
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: a monster. He's just the weird old caretaker, right.

481
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: No.

482
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: So, I mean I don't want to spoil any future episodes,

483
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: but for the two episodes that are out now, you know,

484
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: the first one was an exploration of Kevin Strome. He

485
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: was a member of the Neo Nazi group National Alliance.

486
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Speaker 1: And you know, he thinks of himself as this sort

487
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: of learned intellectual of race science and race purity, and

488
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: he mixed this little show every week since the nineties.

489
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: And he's pedophile, right, he has been to Britain for childborn,

490
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: and he's his commitment to racial purity is so extreme

491
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: that he won't let the foods on his plate intermingle

492
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: because that's too much like race mixing.

493
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Speaker 3: Oh wait for yeah, okay, right, yeah.

494
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: Like you can't book Gravey on mashed potatoes because that's

495
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: a missagenation of flavors.

496
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, the freaks. I do the normal thing. I

497
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: put in a little teacup and I and I sip

498
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: it while I have a one bite after I fully

499
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 3: swallowed the mashed potatoes. But I mean, like to your point, right,

500
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: Like whenever we hear about these like violent plots or

501
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 3: these groups that have like you know, acted out like

502
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: all kinds of wild violence in physical space, like we

503
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 3: create this image in our mind of like some fucking

504
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: master criminal like with no soul that if like we

505
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: saw on the street, we would immediately be like, oh

506
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: my god, run in the opposite direction. This person is

507
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: fucking scary and they're dangerous, and like, clearly it's clear

508
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: that all these guys are like not even close to

509
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 3: being some kind of cloaked Marvel super villain, and like

510
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: we would run in the opposite direction if we saw

511
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: them on the street because they're literal just fucking creeps.

512
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: What do you think is like the like, obviously there's

513
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 3: a power to demystifying our sort of like reflexive tendency

514
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, this person, because like what they're

515
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: into is so odious and dangerous that they themselves it

516
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: must be dangerous. But like it's clear that you find

517
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: there's a way to sort of by taking the curtain back,

518
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 3: we're able to just sort of reckon with these kinds

519
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: of characters or you know, not characters, human beings and

520
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: like a much more objective but while also being like, look,

521
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: these aren't the kinds of people who are like absolute

522
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: like these masterminds that we do need to fear. Is

523
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: that sort of part of it? I know at one

524
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 3: point you said, it's not about it's about understanding the creeps,

525
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: like in every facet of our lives that they do exist, right.

526
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: And I think you know, on a broadle broader social level,

527
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: just you know, emotionally understanding that this isn't some sort

528
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: of amorphous onto logical evil is empowering, right because like, right,

529
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: you can't fight a monster. That's disempowering. It feels like, well,

530
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: this is just this is something we can't change. There

531
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: there are monsters in the world, and it's just a guy.

532
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: It's just a guy who's afraid to.

533
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: Talk to women, right, right, It's a guy who got

534
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: a free sex doll head because he complained to the

535
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: fucking customer support. And you're like, oh, okay, huh, that's weird.

536
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: But he's making bombs too, Yeah, well yeah he.

537
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: Is, right, like he knows how to make a pipe bomb,

538
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: but like he's fucking a used sex to all.

539
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: Right, Right, You're like, yeah, not now, it's now it's

540
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: giving me the creeps in a completely different way for sure.

541
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. The episode about the Civil War reenactment false flag

542
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: is so wild. But before before we get into the

543
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: details of that, I do just want to talk about

544
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: this idea of weirdness because it has become the focus

545
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: for the Democrats and the presidential campaign, and it happened

546
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: as you're preparing to launch a show focused on the

547
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: weirdness of right wing fascists, their policies, their personalities. What

548
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 2: was it that made you focus in on weirdness, like

549
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: based on the content and it feels like it just

550
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 2: naturally took you in that direction. But first of all,

551
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: what was it like to have that emerge as like

552
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: a central Democrat talking point? And do you have an

553
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: opinion on like how they're doing with regards to calling

554
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: it out?

555
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think arriving at the idea that you know,

556
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: talking about these guys in the context of their idiosyncrasies

557
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: and their their weirdness, the fact that they're out of

558
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: step with the world arose naturally for me, right, Like

559
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm researching these guys in the context of domestic terrorism

560
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: and trying to understand that, and something I keep coming

561
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: across is like everything about the way they engage with

562
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: the world is weird, right, Like, it's not just their

563
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: ideas about race, their ideas about the Jews, or their

564
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: ideas about how political power should be achieved mainly through violence.

565
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: That's not separate from the fact that they're just weird

566
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: on a personal level. These things are intertwined, like they

567
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: have all these ideas about, you know, whether women should

568
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: be able to vote because they just have weird ideas

569
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: about how the world works, and so that was sort

570
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: of a natural progression for me, and I think, you know, separately,

571
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: the Democrats have recently arrived at the same place that

572
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: like their weird personal lives and the weird shit they

573
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: want to do to your personal life are obviously related.

574
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

575
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

576
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: It feels like for the longest time, like prior to this,

577
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: like we were using very like academic terms to like

578
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: accurately describe like their ideologies. So it's like, well, there

579
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: these are ethno nationalists, these are proto fascist mode, but

580
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, And like it does

581
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: in a way it clearly identifies like where their you know,

582
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: political might how like where their ideologies lie in terms

583
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: of like a political spectrum. But the weird sort of

584
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: cuts through that to not only be like, well it

585
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: is weird to already be so like ant like like

586
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: the race mixing is terrible. It's like what are you

587
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: a fucking civil war ghost? Like what the fuck are

588
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: we talking about? But the weirdness it does sort of

589
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: in a way help sort of cut through I think

590
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: a lot of these like sort of very academic terms

591
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: that are used to accurately describe them and really sort

592
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: of remind people of like maybe what is sort of

593
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: what we consider normal for the most part in terms

594
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: of like it's not being obsessed with people's genitals, it's

595
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: not being obsessed with like children's genitals, it's not a

596
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: being obsessed with like, you know, miscegenation or whatever these

597
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: things are, that these are all like all of these

598
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: things that they believe are weird are actually normal, and

599
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: now it's it is actually them now that has crossed

600
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: over into this space. So I feel like that was

601
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: sort of like the one thing that I was like, Oh,

602
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: I think it's it's able to connect in a much

603
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: easier way for people because it's much more conversational. But

604
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: it does feel like a little bit I'm sure you're

605
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: a bit frustrated to someone who's been reporting on this

606
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: for a long time not to be not necessarily that

607
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: it's like the Democrats, but that the warnings about being

608
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: like these people are dangerous wasn't sort of enough until

609
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, wait, they're weird.

610
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: We're we're getting a ratings bump from being interested in

611
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: this like, yeah, you know, betterly than never not complaining. Sure,

612
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: it's a weird CoInc But I think the reason it

613
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: cuts to the quick so badly for them, the reason

614
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: it's like so shockingly hurtful to them to be called weird,

615
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: is because their whole ethos is that we are the

616
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: arbiters of what is acceptable and what is normal, and

617
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: we want to return to this nineteen fifties Norman Rockwell

618
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: painting of imagined American life, and that's what's normal. And

619
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: so you're the ones that are weird for you know,

620
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: continuing to move forward in a society that progresses with time, right,

621
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: and so saying like, actually that that's not normal, you're

622
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: the weird one. You're the weird one. It undercuts their

623
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: their belief about, you know, their reason to exist.

624
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: And their personal lives so often fall completely out of

625
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 2: line with that ethos that they claim to like they are.

626
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: It's in line with it, but it's just like a

627
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: weird When you first encounter they're like, well, all I

628
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: care about is families, and then you see like the

629
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: strange directions that spins off into and then look at

630
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: their personal lives. It's I don't know, I guess. I

631
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: guess it's unexpected at first, and then it's like totally

632
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: expected once you take the time to think about it.

633
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like the it's you know, it's spoiler for

634
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: this week's episode, but like, you know, these guys who

635
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, traditional white values and

636
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: Western civilization and you know, restructuring society so that we

637
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: have you know, traditional Western values. One of the guys

638
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: in this terror cell was making degrading hardcore pornography and

639
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not that's not the world you're talking

640
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: about building, right right?

641
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean from your perspective, from like looking

642
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: at all these people for years, and you know, even

643
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 3: like this latest episode with the Civil War reenactor, Like,

644
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: is it that they're just that they're sort of repressing

645
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: some dimension of who they are and that's that's manifesting

646
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: them in like this like externalized hatred of people that

647
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: like might intersect with their own like weird interests or

648
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: feelings or how do you sort of look at these

649
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: people sort of through the prism of like what they're espousing,

650
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: but also the context of like their personal lives, Like

651
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: how like how do those things or interact like in

652
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Speaker 3: terms of like how you've how you've looked at these people.

653
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's a question for a psychologists. I mean

654
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: sometimes these sometimes these manifestations are like a desire to control.

655
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: Like a lot of fascists they want to control society

656
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: just the way they want to control their wife or

657
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: their children. And so for a lot of pedophiles, it's

658
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: about the exertion of control over a powerless victim, and

659
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of what they want to do to society.

660
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't think the cognitive dissonance

661
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: matters to them at all. Like you see a lot

662
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: of white supremacists with Latino wives like that cognitive dissonance

663
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: is irrelevant to them, right, So, like there's no making

664
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: sense of it as a psychological drive. It just the

665
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: rules don't apply to me. I'm just going to do

666
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: this to society, yeah.

667
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: Because psychology is like not a thing. It's not even

668
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: like concepts in their head. They're just like, yeah, this

669
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: is what I do, Like my shadow self are you

670
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: talking about? I mean, like maybe.

671
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: Maybe we can like necromance Freud and get them to

672
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: take a look at this. Like for years I had

673
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: this Nazi cyberstalker who would send me these messages that

674
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: were like really graphically about like sexual fantasies involving feces. Yeah,

675
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: and it's like that that doesn't involve me, right, right,

676
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you should talk talk to Simon Freud about that,

677
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: like you're stuck in the anal development stage or something.

678
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, so mixed bag, yeah, it's.

679
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean, but I feel like historians, like or at

680
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: least the History Channel like kind of does it with Hitler, right,

681
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: Like Hitler behind Closed Doors is not this amorphous ontological evil, right,

682
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: He's driven by very strange demons and a lot of

683
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: scatological you know shit. And then but then I feel like,

684
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, it popped in my head when you

685
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: were talking about Richard Spencer, like when he first came

686
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: on the scene years ago, and it felt like the

687
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: mainstream media was like into him, you know.

688
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, They're like, oh, finally, like a handsome, well

689
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: spoken Nazi and a guy we can put on TV, right.

690
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: Because they want Yeah, they want a Nazi. That is

691
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: like central casting of a fascist in a non comedy movie.

692
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: But when you look at them, it's just doctor Strange

693
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: loves all the way down right, just time after time.

694
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: It's like, nah, they have like weird suppressed urges and

695
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: repressed repressed ideas that are like bursting out of them

696
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: in these strange ways. But it does.

697
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the real Richard Spencer is the Richard Spencer in

698
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: that leaked audio from the evening of Unite the Rights,

699
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: Like the rally got canceled they didn't get to give

700
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: their speeches because there was a terrorist event, and he

701
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: was so mad that he didn't get to give his speech.

702
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: He's like purple in the face, screaming about how like

703
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: they don't get to do this to me, they don't

704
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: get to do this to me, and he starts busting

705
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: racial slurs that you would have to look up in

706
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: a dictionary, like I think he called someone an octoroon

707
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: or something like.

708
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah wow, taking it all the way back, but.

709
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Just like that sort of petulant, childish rage, like you

710
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: could put a suit and tie on a Nasi, but

711
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: he's still just an angry little guy.

712
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, because I think so many

713
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: of these people have like very similar, like the similar

714
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: themes in their lives which are there operating in this

715
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: bizarre parallel reality. But when they're like forced to reconcile

716
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: their perceived world and the one they actually live in.

717
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: They just go deeper into the into the void because

718
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: it's just that like that reckon, like that sort of

719
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: dissonance is like too much. So it's like no, no, no,

720
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: And now they like sort of increasingly become more hell

721
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 3: bent on bringing their fantasy world to life like upon

722
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: the rest of us. And it's like when they inevitably

723
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: fail and realize they don't have the power or means

724
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: to create the world, they typically will just resort to

725
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: violence or destruction because if I can can't make something

726
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: that I can destroy it. And either way, like I think,

727
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: there's just that feeling of powerlessness that has to be addressed,

728
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: and this sort.

729
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: Of direction construction of this alternate reality. It just keeps

730
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: coming up sort of recurring theme in these stories that

731
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling, Like I think this guy left out of

732
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: episode one, but after Kevin Strome was arrested for possession

733
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: of child pornography. He so he was the webmaster for

734
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: a neo Nazi group, so he knew how to use

735
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: the internet, right he was he was an internet guy,

736
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, from the nineties, so early internet adopter, and

737
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: he made a website that convincingly looked like an actual

738
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: local news outlet, and he peppered in like real local

739
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: news stories, stuff about the weather, stuff about you know,

740
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: just like local goings on. But like every third article

741
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: on this fake newspaper website was about how we actually

742
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: Kevin Strome isn't a pervert.

743
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 2: In other news, right? Yeah?

744
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Like what like this guy really not bad.

745
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, it's the exact same thing, like

746
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: even with the Civil War reenactor guy like also creating

747
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: fake news articles like that, but he was such a boomer.

748
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: He's like cutting and pasting shit onto physical paper and

749
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: then xeroxing it and be like you've seen in this

750
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: article and it's like what sharing it with like a

751
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: teenager he's working with. Yeah, he's like, okay, man this

752
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 3: to me. Yeah, man, Sniper's got a bunch of people.

753
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: It's like what newspapers. That doesn't matter, man, it happened.

754
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: It happened to you too, huh.

755
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but it but it is like this very

756
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: weird and then like even like this the sex doll thing,

757
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: like it's a like there's just a about creating like

758
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: insulating themselves truly in like this world of half truths

759
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: or total fabrications to kind of like, yeah, I don't know,

760
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: it's very they want.

761
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: They want to live in a cigarette ad from a

762
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five issue of Good Housekeeping, Like the world

763
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: you're imagining was never real, Like not only can you

764
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: go back to it, it was never real, Like that

765
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: was on queludes.

766
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: Right, exactly, she's so high that mom serving that turkey,

767
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: like that turkey is not Yeah, yeah, she is out

768
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: of her mind. Yeah, let's take a quick break and

769
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: we'll come back, and I just want to talk a

770
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: few of the details about the subjects of your first

771
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: couple episodes because they are absolute bangers. We'll be right back,

772
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: and we're back.

773
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: We're back.

774
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the Civil War Reenact

775
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: reenactment bomb threat, which was allegedly perpetrated by Antifa, which

776
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: I always hear Antifa used as this like buzzword on

777
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: the right and then like Fox News stories, Yeah they

778
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: love it as a boogeyman. But I had never seen,

779
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: like any the details of what they think Antifa is doing.

780
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: And so this story is of a Civil War reenactor

781
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: group that's being threatened, and it's like not even the

782
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: biggest one in the area, but it's being like repeatedly

783
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: threatened and told like they have to stop or they're

784
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: going to like all be murdered. And it's signed ANTIFA,

785
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: like with this like logo that you could not off. Yeah,

786
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: unofficial ANTIFA letterheady. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And the letters

787
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: are very threatening, but they also have this juvenile tone

788
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: of like make believe that reminded me of this story.

789
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: It was very early days of this show during Hurricane

790
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: Harvey in Houston where there were all these Facebook posts

791
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: that were from the quote Harvey Loot crew, like hashtag

792
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: Harvey Loute crew, and it would be like a picture

793
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: of a store that had been you know, all the

794
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 2: stuff was off the shelves, and it says we out

795
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: here a Corpus Christy at the quickie store, you know,

796
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: where cash and beer gone, but Munchie's left. Hashtag Hurricane Harvey,

797
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: hashtag hurricane hashtag Harvey Luke crew. And it's like we

798
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: just immediately were like, oh, that's these are like weird

799
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: white people trying to write a character that they find scary,

800
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: and you get the sense in these letters the same thing,

801
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: like there's so much weird content, like some of us

802
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: have dogs and we will even throw their feces at you,

803
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: is like one of the things from one.

804
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: Of the letters, just not how I would make a threat.

805
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: We are Antifa and we throw pea at people, and

806
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: it's like, what, yes, one of us is a rapist,

807
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 3: Like yeah, exactly, It's like we've got a rapist also

808
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: on the team. It's like what what what is this?

809
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: Like the fucking weird goon squad? But yeah, that is

810
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 3: the version of like this organization. I guess they're trying

811
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: to present to people, but I.

812
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: Don't so eventually that it's revealed that this is in

813
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: fact not Antifa, but it has because this audience that

814
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: they're aiming at is so gullible and willing to believe

815
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: anything like this feels like a danger that could get

816
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: worse and worse as our inability to distinguish false information

817
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: kind of grows more and more. Did the fact that

818
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: this wasn't Antifa? Do you think that that like penetrated

819
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: at all like that. I'm sure maybe the specific group

820
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: that was being targeted eventually realized it was like one

821
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: of their own, But like, in terms of the stories

822
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: that are reported on Fox News. I'm sure like the

823
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: most of the people who watch Fox News think Antifa

824
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: planted a bomb at a Civil War reenactment, right right.

825
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: And I think the average Fox News view were, even

826
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: when confronted with the truthful resolution to the story, would say, well, yeah,

827
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: but Antifa would do that, right, But like, it says

828
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: a lot about Antifa that I believed it, But that's

829
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: not what happened. Is not what happened at all. But

830
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: I think you know, for for Gerald, the subject of

831
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: that story, he was a Confederate reenactor, he is I

832
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: could say comfortably a racist, Like I read all of

833
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: his Reddit posts, like he is personally a racist. And

834
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: so when he wanted to frighten his former friends, who

835
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: he knew were mostly also racists, he was like, what's

836
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: the scariest thing to us? What can I say to

837
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: them that will be so scary? Like, Oh, we're being

838
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: targeted for our beliefs, right right, We're being targeted by

839
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: these left wing like scary monster people just because we

840
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: love history so much. And also saying the N word.

841
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that's the exact big argument was that, like

842
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: he wanted to be able to use the N word.

843
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: He was like that's just what it would have been

844
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: at the time, and we should be able to and

845
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: the fact that they're not letting us is actually the

846
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 2: real discrimination. Everything Like his the other Confederate reenactors were

847
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 2: like I don't know, man, like even they.

848
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: Were really helping us here, right, yeah, well, and I

849
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: think just even the weird part two or like that

850
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: you pointed out, like the Battle of Cedar Creek, like

851
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: that was a Union victory too. It's like, wouldn't they

852
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: be targeting a Confederate victory if it was truly about

853
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: this like ideology, like ideological attack or like.

854
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: A battle that anyone's heard of, like I've never heard

855
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: the Battle of Creek and I live here right.

856
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: Right, right, right right, But yeah, it's just there. There's

857
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: this fascinating part where you just go through like his

858
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: trip Advisor reviews, like so as he's doing all this stuff,

859
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: he's taking trips to Euros.

860
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah he does loves Europe.

861
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: Huh, going to the finest dining establishments in Europe, like

862
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: Burger King, five guys McDonald's, I think, and then just

863
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: like leaving negative reviews for Nazi museums for being like

864
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: two PC.

865
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's The interesting thing about Gerald, right,

866
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: it's like, you know a lot of these guys are Nazis.

867
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: Daryld's not like he has an interest in World War

868
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: two history as like you know, a boomer American watching

869
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: the History Channel. So like his problem with the Holocaust

870
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: Museum in Amsterdam wasn't like that he loves Nazis. He

871
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: just like wanted to see more atrocities.

872
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah right, he just.

873
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: Thought that the museum didn't show him enough atrocities, right,

874
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: could have.

875
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: Been more atrocity memorabilia there, but like nah, one story gore,

876
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, truly. But I guess that's

877
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 3: what's like so interesting too, is like on some level, right,

878
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: and this is something you talk about like when I'm like, well,

879
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: this guy's this fucking weirdo. He's leaving like one agro

880
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: reviews about Burger King or like the Nazi Museum, but

881
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: he loves the Louver in Paris. That like, in a

882
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: way it feels disarming because you're like, this, what the

883
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: fuck is what's this fucking guy gonna do? But at

884
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: the same time, it's not so dis You're not so

885
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: dismissive of these people that you're like, these aren't people

886
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: aren't dangerous, but it's also being like just understand where

887
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: these people are operating from. It's not necessarily like because

888
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: they have these like weird interests or just have these

889
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: like weird proclivities doesn't mean that they aren't presenting a

890
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 3: similar threat. But I think it does help melt away

891
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: this idea that it's like, you know, fucking Thanos or

892
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: some shit.

893
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Right, Like he's a silly little guy who got a

894
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: poshmark account so he could buy women's panties for his

895
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: sex stall, and he reviews the dunkin Donuts in his

896
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 1: neighborhood once a month, Like he's definitely a weird little guy. Yeah,

897
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: but he did build an operational bomb that would have

898
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of children in the like gifts, Like

899
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: the tent where the bomb was was where you buy

900
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: like souvenirs and stuff, like there were kids around and

901
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: like at the bomb had gone off, like it would

902
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: have killed children, right, So, like what he did was

903
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: was violent and frightening and evil, and like this campaign

904
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: of terror against these people who wouldn't let him do

905
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: civil war reenactment anymore, Like it's real and it's frightening,

906
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: and you should take it seriously, but like he's not

907
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: a criminal mastermind. Yeah right, he's a guy who pretends

908
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: to be a cop on Reddit because it makes him

909
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: feel powerful.

910
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's what's like so not like infuriating, but

911
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: you know, like we obviously the threat of like domestic

912
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: terror and the like you know, white nationalist violence is

913
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: it was real and super scary, but like there's also

914
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: something kind of maddening when you're like and it's this

915
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: fucking guy that's like we deserve a better enemy year, yeah,

916
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 3: or like that you are causing so much, you're sewing

917
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: so much chaos from your place of being so dissatisfied

918
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: and unhappy and whatever sociopathic you know, psychopathic tendencies you have.

919
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 3: But there's just some there's I don't know, like it's

920
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 3: like every time I'm having a reckoning with like the

921
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: actual what they're what they're trying to act out and

922
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: who they are as people, and you're like, dude, this

923
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: is this is the last person who probably roll up

924
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: to you and try and say something to your face

925
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: in public, yet they are still I don't know. I

926
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: think that's where like the Internet truly like begins to

927
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: olden people because they can have this one version that

928
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 3: they present through their like digital avatar of themselves while

929
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: also being like and then the real world version is like, yeah,

930
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: like I shout out to sex Doll Queens dot COM's

931
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: customer service department for being really understanding that my sex

932
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: doll was damaged, and you.

933
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: Know, Patrese is very responsive.

934
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like the last that was his last

935
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: post before being arrested.

936
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, like before the FBI like rated his house and

937
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: took him away. He was just posting on a sex.

938
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: All for him, right, being like with theaterrece fucking rocks.

939
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Patrese for customer service. Yeah, and

940
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: there are plenty of them. Oh yeah, monthly reviews of

941
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: his local dunkin Donuts.

942
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 3: That's so wild.

943
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: He loves it. It's high quality update.

944
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess does that do you like?

945
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 3: Do you see that as like another version of like

946
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: trying to at least exert some form of power, like

947
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: because then it's like it's review through my review I

948
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 3: can am from my eye. I'm doing one over, getting

949
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: one over on this place that I felt wrong by.

950
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 3: So like that's always like they're kind of look like

951
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: it feels like it really goes hand.

952
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: In hand, right, Like I do think for him specifically,

953
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: it is this sort of manifestation of the idea that like,

954
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: this world exists for me and it should meet my

955
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: needs and it should be the way that I think

956
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: it should be. And when it's not, that's, you know,

957
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: a sign of a culture in decline. Like they put

958
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: pickles on my whopper even though I said no, And

959
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: that's because society is in decline. We no longer have

960
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: traditional Western values or something right right, right, Yeah.

961
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: Pickles and onions. Only in Europe can they get that

962
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: order right? On the on the wapper he says no pickles,

963
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: no onions, And every fucking time in the United States,

964
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: his burger king gets it wrong. Meanwhile, Kevin is that

965
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: his name, Kevin Kevin Strome. Strome disappears into the bathroom

966
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: for hours at a time to take a bath and

967
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: eat pickles.

968
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: So I actually so his second ex wife is that

969
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: ad next wife? No, his first, second, his first, his first,

970
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: his first wife. After they got divorced, she wrote a

971
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: memoir and it's been out of print for twenty years.

972
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: You can't buy it. So I found a used copy

973
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: of it on the internet and I was so excited

974
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: and it came and so I read this. You know,

975
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: this woman's memoir of her time being married to this

976
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: famous Nazi, and you know she's been through a lot,

977
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: respect to her. Not well written, a little deranged, but

978
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: just the little kernels of like day to day life

979
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 1: of being married to this man. Worth the twenty bucks,

980
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: Worth the twenty bucks I spent on it, especially because

981
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: it was signed. So when you when you buy this book,

982
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: you never know what you're getting. It says, you know,

983
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: like in decent condition. There's markings inside, and so I

984
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: get it. It is the copy she gave to the

985
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: woman who mentored her during her conversion to Catholicism.

986
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: Woow, So is she in the book?

987
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: The person she like like wrote this to, like inscribed

988
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: the message to.

989
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's in there by name, but

990
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: there is, you know, sort of a lot of discuss

991
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: of like as she's leaving Kevin because the National Alliance

992
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: is the what's called the Cosmotheist Church. It's just like

993
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: a made up, like white people religion that doesn't involve

994
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: God or Jesus and it's taxing. Sure, so she's leaving

995
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: National Alliance. She's leaving Cosmotheism, she's leaving Kevin. She starts

996
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: seeing apparitions of the Virgin Mary, so she converts to

997
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: So she converted to Catholicism. And like just an incredible,

998
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: an incredible memoir. And so the pickle thing was in there.

999
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, hours at a time, just eating pickles in the bathtub.

1000
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: Like I can kind of get behind that.

1001
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: Like you have three children and you're just gonna be

1002
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: in there for five hours eating a whole jar of pickles, right?

1003
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: And also how big is that jar of pickles for

1004
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 3: five hours? Or what's your eating?

1005
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: You're swelling?

1006
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you savor every bite of a pickle, so it

1007
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 3: takes you five I mean I could eat a jar

1008
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: of pickles I think in like twenty minutes easily.

1009
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's kidneys would enjoy that experience.

1010
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the doctors, that's their opinion. But like

1011
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 3: I got heard from my friend Molly, I need a treat.

1012
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: I have to you need a treat, And like you

1013
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: heard from your friend Jack, do your own research. Okay,

1014
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: don't you trust the doctors? What do you you know?

1015
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: I don't look, what do you know?

1016
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: What do you Oh? Sorry, you're a specialist in renal issues.

1017
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that means, man, but my

1018
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: side's hurt real bad in the back whenever I eat

1019
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: my Picki's help. I'm curious, like, Molly, is there what

1020
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: is sort of like a I guess a takeaway that

1021
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: you come with, take a takeaway that you arrive at

1022
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 3: after looking at these people, because you know, you've studied

1023
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: like really horrific shit and a lot of these events

1024
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: that have been at the hands of these types of people,

1025
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: But like, what what like what's the experience for you

1026
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: when you're like, of course they're a weird little guy?

1027
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: Is it more to not necessarily again, because it's not

1028
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: to sort of mitigate or minimize the threat that these

1029
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: people pose, but like, what is sort of the what

1030
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: is like the sort of message that you come away

1031
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: with from realizing time after time these people have such

1032
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 3: a similar kind of way of being.

1033
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: I think, as I've been doing nothing but writing for

1034
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: weeks now, kind of going insane, becoming my own weird

1035
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: little guy. What seems most important to me to take

1036
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: away from like trying to tell these sort of like

1037
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: brief biographical arcs of individuals is that, like they are weird,

1038
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: but they are not aberrations, right, Like they are not

1039
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: one off like random mutations of the human mind that like,

1040
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think in recent years, you know, we

1041
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: see like, oh, there's like a groper who works for

1042
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: your congressman. Like, what a strange aberration. This is never

1043
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: this is unprecedented. No, it's not. It's super precedented, right,

1044
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: and so like trying to situate these things in historical

1045
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: context for the last hundred years or so, Like, I

1046
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: don't know. My plan is to sort of bounce back

1047
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: and forth between like a guy who just went to

1048
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: prison recently, sort of this modern weird guy, and then

1049
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: reached back and talk about a guy from the seventies

1050
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: or the eighties and sort of the Nazi group that

1051
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: would grow to be. Come, what's giving us today's weird guys?

1052
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 3: Right?

1053
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: So, like, right, Marjorie Taylor Green, hiring some weird little

1054
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: Nazi from the internet is not unusual. If you know

1055
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: that there was a scandal in the forties where some congressmen.

1056
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: So congressmen can send free mail, they don't have to

1057
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: pay postage on stuff they send to their constituents. But

1058
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, the franking systems.

1059
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: Erk of the job. That's why a lot of them

1060
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: get into it.

1061
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: Free mail, free mail. Maybe stamps are expensive.

1062
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: But there was the.

1063
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: Scandal in the forties where they were using their franking privileges.

1064
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: They would go on the house floor when nothing else

1065
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: was really happening. There's like not an important big day

1066
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: for bills, and they would give a speech that was

1067
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: Nazi propaganda. So then it's in the congressional record and

1068
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: then you can mail Nazi propaganda to all of your

1069
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: constituents for free.

1070
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

1071
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: Wow, because there was a weird, little fucking Nazi working

1072
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: for a congressman, Like this is not unprecedented. We've always

1073
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: been like this right just online now.

1074
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now like then, it sort of makes it

1075
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: more about like what do we do about these like

1076
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: these things, these shadow creatures have appeared on a nor

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, it's like whack a mole. But like

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Speaker 3: with the weirdos and no, wow, we got to.

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Speaker 1: Get a fourth Clan act, Helyssi says, granted, not go

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Speaker 1: far enough.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Jesus Well, Molly Congress, I can't wait to listen to

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Speaker 2: the next episode and just yeah, you know, future episodes.

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Speaker 2: I particularly the Little Crumb, the Little nugget you gave

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Speaker 2: us on Timothy McVeigh and the song Bad Company, he

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Speaker 2: comes up a couple of different places, but yeah, he

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Speaker 2: the obsessive way he only listened to that song is terrifying.

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Speaker 2: It's like one of the strangest instances of human behavior

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Speaker 2: where you just kind of have to be like, huh,

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Speaker 2: how interesting, and.

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Speaker 1: Like maybe it doesn't even mean anything, right, Like we

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Speaker 1: all have our idiosyncrasies, and once you commit a major

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Speaker 1: active domestic terror, they all look suspect in retrospect. But

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Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe you just really love Bad Company by

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Speaker 1: the band Bad Company from their album.

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Speaker 2: From From the Bad Company.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he's just loves like those He's like, I call

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Speaker 3: that a trifecta. Man. If you've got a titular track

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Speaker 3: with the band name from and it's on the album,

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Speaker 3: that's what that's fucking.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the bass is like in a

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Speaker 1: Sherman tank, like maybe it.

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Speaker 3: Just felt good, yeah right, right right, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: Some of the other people who were in there with

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Speaker 2: him must have. I can't imagine, although I can kind

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Speaker 2: of emt like my kids are currently really into do

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Speaker 2: you know who Perry Grip is? He's like from the

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Speaker 2: band the Nerf Herders. It's like children the.

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Speaker 1: Children's music. They did the Buffy theme song.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well he does children's music. He does It's a cat,

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00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 2: a post buffy cush a toilet, it's a cat, and

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Speaker 2: they're singing to that. They're listening to that repeatedly and

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Speaker 2: like over this weekend as I was like thinking about

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Speaker 2: the Timothy mcveay thing from your show, So don't think

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Speaker 2: about a bit, like Dad, what's wrong. It's a cat

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Speaker 2: the toilet, it's a cat.

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Speaker 1: Just thinking about Ellaheim City.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, Molly Conger, what a pleasure having you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all

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Speaker 2: that good stuff?

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00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, my show's on cool Zone Media. It's on

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00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio network and you can subscribe, subscribe to it

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00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, and I hope that you

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Speaker 1: will do that. Maybe leave me a review that's not weird.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of like race Science reviews.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We need the reviews. We need the normal the normies

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Speaker 2: out there reviewing. Someone start doing amazing some one star.

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Speaker 1: Reviews from guys who think I'm being unfair to white men, which, yes,

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Speaker 1: I hope to continue to do that, right, got some

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Speaker 1: some cool weird guys coming up. But you can find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Socialist dog Mom and that's that's

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00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: kind of it. Oh. I occasionally host episodes of It

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Speaker 1: Could Happen here, also a Cool Zone show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just out here online out here. Is there

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Speaker 2: a work of media that you've been enjoying a tweet

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Speaker 2: or otherwise? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Man, No, I've only been consuming newspaper articles from the

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. Oh. I recently read some congressional testimony from

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, very intriguing. You'll have to wait two

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Speaker 1: weeks to hear about that on my show though. So No,

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Speaker 1: the media I'm consuming is not normal, and I would

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Speaker 1: not recommend it.

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Speaker 3: Stay a stay a.

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Speaker 2: Miles. Where can people find you? Is there a working

1147
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: media you've been enjoying?

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00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.

1149
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: You can find Jack and I on the basketball podcast

1150
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: Miles of jackot Mad Boosties. You can also find me

1151
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,479
Speaker 3: on the latest episode of Black People Love Paramore, where

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00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 3: I'm on there talking about rat beefs and just it's

1153
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: been a while I haven't really had an ability to

1154
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: really get through all of my feelings with different rat beefs.

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00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: So this is a perfect opportunity for that. Check out

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00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 3: that episode, the latest episode of Black People Love.

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Speaker 1: Paramore, and there're more than one beef going on right now.

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Speaker 3: I think we're just talking generally like we're going through

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Speaker 3: some of them, from Bigie to jay Z and to

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00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 3: you know, n w A and Iceke all of that

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Speaker 3: up to Kendrick Lamark.

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Speaker 1: I'm more that Kendrick is overshadowing some other current beef.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, it's yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Kendrick Lamar. I don't know, man, that this that

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00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: the beef though definitely took over my mind as someone

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Speaker 3: who's from Los Angeles, I definitely spent a lot of

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Speaker 3: time talking about that. But anyway, check me out there.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a work of social media because I've

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00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: been I was, I was out taking a break, so

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Speaker 3: I don't like to look at the social media that

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00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: often to give myself a bit of a brain reset.

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Speaker 3: But you know what I did watch. I've just been

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Speaker 3: watching that that that show Presumed Innocent, that Jake Jillenhall show,

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Speaker 3: which is wild.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again. You watch it all right, I'm the

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Speaker 2: fourth recommendation.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm on the last episode of it, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's pretty good. I would say. The one thing

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Speaker 3: was like I was, I was amazed that it's just

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00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: wild to see how many actors like who aren't from

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Speaker 3: America that are playing Americans all the time. Like like

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Speaker 3: one of the like the one of the black characters

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00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: who plays the da is like from England. The judge

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Speaker 3: who's a black woman is like from Switzerland. Ruth Nega

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Speaker 3: who is plays Jillen Hall's wife, she's Irish. I was like,

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Speaker 3: it's Irish.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not in Trump's twenty twenty four platform, right,

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Speaker 1: like bring back American jobs.

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Speaker 2: These are these are black jobs.

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Speaker 3: These are the black jobs I'm talking about. Even nothing's

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Speaker 3: safe even for them. They were doing it. The Australians

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Speaker 3: were taking the white people jobs and now the black

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Speaker 3: people acting jobs are all gone. They're all gone. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've just been watching that and it's Peter Sar's Guard

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00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 3: will always make I will always be suspicious of Peter

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Speaker 3: Sar's Guard whenever I see him on the screen. So

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Speaker 3: there's that.

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Speaker 2: It's got a very unnerving presence.

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Speaker 3: He could because he's got like like Malcolvi, like Malkovich energy,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Dylan is looking Scars Guards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah Stars, that's the only part

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Speaker 3: Stars Guard that guy, not the Scars Guards. The thing

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Speaker 3: different Scandinavian acting family. Yeah, the one that's married to

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Speaker 3: Maggie Jillenhaller was married to I can't remember what.

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Speaker 2: Or scarguard the thing that you put on a cut

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Speaker 2: to make sure that it doesn't get scarred.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the SEO was all fucked up for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so share. You can find me on Twitter

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01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: at Jack Underscore Obrian. Somebody retweeted the reaction of Test

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Speaker 2: audiences while watching the chest burster scene in Ridley Scott's Alien,

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Speaker 2: and everybody's like, oh gross, like screaming, and then Robert

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Speaker 2: Evans from Cool Zone zoomed in on this one guy,

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Speaker 2: like guy with a beard and long hair, who's just

1215
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: got this facial expression that's like yeah, man, all right.

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Speaker 2: He just tweeted, hell yeah, brother.

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Speaker 3: This is from the eighties Test Audiences seventy nine Wow.

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Speaker 1: Woweah, Well I just feel like receiving that, even knowing

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Speaker 1: it's going to happen. We've got you're gonna react, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's made a stronger stuff stronger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: We're just like a seventies dish weed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, rightah yeah, it's like yeah, it's like the

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Speaker 3: movie version of like when you're listening to music and

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: you're like, damn, this is like kind of a band,

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Speaker 3: you know, like when you hear a band you didn't

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Speaker 3: know you were trying to hear, and you hear and

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Speaker 3: you're like all right, like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the special expression this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, chess burst.

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Speaker 2: It finally feel seen.

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Speaker 1: It awoke something in him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, we will link off to that in the footnotes.

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Speaker 2: The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Wait no, I didn't do the thing anyways. You can

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Speaker 2: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore o Brian. You

1238
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist. We're at

1239
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan

1240
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: page on a website, daily zeitgeist dot com, where we

1241
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to

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Speaker 2: the information that we talked about in today's episode. Who

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Speaker 2: is a song we think you might enjoy? Miles did

1244
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: you hear any music while you were off that you

1245
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: think the people might enjoy?

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Speaker 3: I did? I mean? And it's I'm a bit behind

1247
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: on trends. This like music video was doing big numbers

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Speaker 3: on YouTube. It's by this rapper from Kerala, India who

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Speaker 3: goes by Hanumankind. The track is called Big Dogs awgs

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Speaker 3: that's how they put a big dog. But the video

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01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 3: is dope. The beat instrumental is fucking. It's it's way

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01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: to go, it's fire, it's crazy. The wrapping, you know,

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01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,959
Speaker 3: it's it's fine. The production of the visuals were so good,

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01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: you know, the wrapping. I could go either way on

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Speaker 3: but I think it's a track we're listening to because

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Speaker 3: it's just like. We'll just check the video out. It's

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Speaker 3: super fun. It's Big Dogs by hanuman Kind. I know

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Speaker 3: I'm late, or at least probably younger people in your

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01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: life would be like, dude, you're so fucking late.

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Speaker 2: Well guess what ten days old? What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 2: My god?

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Speaker 3: Dude? Are you dead?

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Speaker 2: All right? We'll link off to the video on the footnotes.

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Speaker 2: The day guys the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts

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01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: for My Heart Radio, visit the Heart Radio app Apple

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01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. That's gonna do

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01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: it for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell

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Speaker 2: you what is trending and who will talk to you all.

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Speaker 3: Then Bye bite bye,