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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. When do

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Speaker 2: we have crystal?

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Speaker 4: Indeed, we do.

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Speaker 1: We have what I would describe us some actually kind

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Speaker 1: of good news. Presidential debates are actually happening by through

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Speaker 1: down the gauntlin Trump accepted, blah blah blah. Anyway, we'll

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Speaker 1: get into all of that. RFK Junior also trying to

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Speaker 1: aggressively trying to block in. Yeah, so there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to discuss there and why this is all happening. We

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Speaker 1: also have some extreme levels of cope that are happening

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Speaker 1: over on both CNN, but in particular over at Morning Joe,

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Speaker 1: over that New York Times CNA poll that we covered

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, which is an absolute train wreck for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, so we will show you that. Also, some

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Speaker 1: bad and also interesting news from overseas the Slovakian Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Robert Fico. He was shot in an attempted assassination effort.

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Speaker 4: We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: Red Lobster is going bankrupt because Americans take all you

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Speaker 1: can eat a little too seriously, Guys out there, when

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Speaker 1: Lobster was apparently not ready for that.

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Speaker 3: We went too far. America's never been greater than it

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Speaker 3: is today.

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Speaker 4: Rip Red Lobster.

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Speaker 1: We also have some additional, perhaps more significant corporate news,

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Speaker 1: which is that Boeing could actually be facing criminal prosecution

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Speaker 1: now after the government officially said a judge officially said

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Speaker 1: that they had violated the consent decree that they had

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Speaker 1: sorts of charges, in particular over those crowd that caused

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Speaker 1: hundreds of fatalities a few years back. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that and what that could mean. A lot of

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Speaker 1: news coming out of Israel. Israel's Defense Minister Joev Galant

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Speaker 1: really throwing down with bb Net and Yahoo will take

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Speaker 1: We also have some horrifying images of how settlers beat

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Speaker 1: bringing aid to Gaza. We also have an update on

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Speaker 1: the Peer guys. Looks like the long anticipated and much

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Speaker 1: vaunted Peer for Humanitarian Aid is actually complete. So what

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: things first and foremost, Counterpoints had an amazing interview with

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Speaker 2: Beto O'Rourke, former presidential candidate. Beto formerly no best known

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Speaker 3: Absolutely right, Beta, Let's get to the debates.

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Speaker 2: As Crystal said, so yesterday it was kind of a

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Speaker 2: least some so President Joe Biden releasing a video from

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Speaker 2: his campaign account taunting Donald Trump to a debate, but

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Speaker 2: in different circumstances than you may have expected.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump loss two debates to me in twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: since Sandy hadn't shown up for debate. Now e'xactly like

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Speaker 5: he wants to debate me again. Will make my day, Pal.

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Speaker 5: I'll even do it twice. So let's pick the dates. Donald,

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Speaker 5: I hear you're free on Wednesdays.

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Speaker 3: All right, you're free on Wednesdays. He's taunting him. The

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Speaker 2: so what does all this mean?

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Speaker 2: This is I'm actually particularly excited about it because what

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Speaker 2: the screen. This was actually a letter that was sent

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Speaker 2: from the Biden campaign to the Commission on Presidential Debates. Now,

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Speaker 2: in this letter, President Biden and the campaign informs the

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Speaker 2: Commission on Presidential Debates preset schedule. This is the organization

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Speaker 2: which has run presidential debates since the ninety I think

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Speaker 2: my opinion, it's always been a travesty. The Commission on

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Speaker 3: It's totally rigged.

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Speaker 2: It has established from politicians, it has all of these

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Speaker 3: This is interesting. I really want to hear what you

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Speaker 2: They say that the Commission model of building huge spectacles

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty Nixon Kennedy debate or in modern times. I

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Speaker 2: So the third and the final one is that they're

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Speaker 1: That's way true, and I think that's fair. It's probably

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Speaker 1: he could have very easily killed Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: There's a one I will take. I'll take it because

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Speaker 2: now the Commission is dead. This is a terrible antiquated tradition.

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Speaker 2: moderators have now been announced. It's Dana Bash and Jake

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Speaker 4: Great Israel conversation that they lead there.

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Speaker 1: Little more ambivalent about the destruction of the Presidential Debate

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Speaker 4: To rig it. So is that really better?

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Speaker 1: I don't really know if it's better or worse or whatever,

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Speaker 1: so that I can hopefully recover from any potential disasters

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Speaker 4: I think that makes some logical, like straightforward sense.

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Speaker 3: It makes some sense.

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Speaker 2: of the political science. I mean, there's just basically no

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Speaker 2: evidence that these debates matter. And what's actually even more

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Speaker 1: They usually have a temporary impact on the poles and then.

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Speaker 2: We would be remiss if we didn't talk here about

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Speaker 2: There's some confusion right now. So RFK Junior's initial response

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Speaker 2: Keeping viable candidates off the stage undermines democracy. Forty three

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Speaker 2: So this brings us back to what the CNN debate

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Speaker 4: In the interest of you know, having a wide range.

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Speaker 1: And they're going to be aligned with CNN too, by

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Speaker 2: And that's where I think the Biden people are correct

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Speaker 2: They're like, we have debates where we get to ask,

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Speaker 3: So this shake things up to basically.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean, it seems to me like we need

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Speaker 4: I don't know. We'll see, We'll see how it all

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Speaker 4: shakes out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in general, I'm excited. I'm glad that they're

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Speaker 2: actually going to do it.

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Speaker 4: That I'm glad about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The one last thing that I'll say in terms of

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Speaker 1: how this will go, because I mean, the obvious assumption

447
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Speaker 1: is that Trump is going to be better debater than

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. I think that's a very fair assumption. But

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Speaker 1: let's just remember that last time around that was also

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Speaker 1: the assumption, and Trump was such an asshole in the

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Speaker 1: first debate.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't because Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Did well, but Trump was such a like I think

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Speaker 1: he must have been taken something for COVID.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

456
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Speaker 1: He was such a jerk and so like, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: just constantly cutting Joe Biden off, et cetera, et cetera,

458
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Speaker 1: that he really ruined his own prospects there and was

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Speaker 1: widely seen, I think accurately so as having lost that debate.

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Speaker 1: So it's not a foregone conclusion that this is going

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Speaker 1: to be better for Trump.

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Speaker 2: I saw someone say we are going to see Manhattan

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Speaker 2: Project levels of presidential stimulants for both of these kings.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm already working on the cocktail.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, whatever that cocktail is, let

466
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Speaker 2: me know, I want to take it all right, like

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Speaker 2: I fire me up, put it in both of the veins,

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Speaker 2: and I'll take it before we start.

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Speaker 1: On Trump's that whatever they gave him before that debate.

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Speaker 1: They need to dial that about eighty percent because there

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Speaker 1: was way too much.

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Speaker 2: You gotta check that out, man. I would love to

473
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Speaker 2: be in the in the in the room. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be like medafinil.

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Speaker 4: Adderall like all the chemists. The chemists are going wild.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna they're gonna have like little drip beakers and things.

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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 1: So we have additional campaign news as we covered earlier

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Speaker 1: this week New York Times Siana pole which came out,

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Speaker 1: which is I mean, this is considered one of the

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Speaker 1: sort of like gold standard polls, and it was an utter,

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Speaker 1: incomplete disaster for Joe Biden. He was losing in almost

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Speaker 1: every battleground state. He was losing by double digits in Nevada.

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Speaker 1: What was it thirteen points, yes, thirteen that he was

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Speaker 1: losing by in Nevada when you drilled in it was

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Speaker 1: because young people, African Americans, Latinos were all fleeing his campaign.

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Speaker 1: Just I mean, there was no way to spit in

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Speaker 1: this thing as remotely positive for him. But morning Joe

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Speaker 1: decided they would go ahead and try. Let's listening to

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Speaker 1: what Joe Scarborough had to say and his incredible cope

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Speaker 1: with regards to the poll.

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Speaker 6: Where are the polls talking us directionally about the race?

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Speaker 6: I understand there's a difference though with the New York

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Speaker 6: Times Siena poll. And you know this, it's given disproportionate

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Speaker 6: impact this year this cycle. It is skewed wildly and

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump's direction hold on, and the New York Times

497
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Speaker 6: feasts on it with clickbait stories like a dozen at

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Speaker 6: a time. And I and what I'm trying to focus

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Speaker 6: on is what I think people should pay attention to.

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Speaker 6: But what I'm trying to focus on is New York

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Speaker 6: Times right now is actively shaping the election cycles. Where

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Speaker 6: this poll comes out on a Sunday and on Monding,

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Speaker 6: people go oh, and I heard it, And I'm sitting

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Speaker 6: there going, oh, don't be so stupid. That's why we're

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Speaker 6: doing this, So hold on, sacond hold on, no, no,

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Speaker 6: hold on. What I hear is after these Siena polls

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Speaker 6: come out every time New York Times fall is oh, well,

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Speaker 6: everything that Joe Biden's done since the since the the

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Speaker 6: State of the Union address, all of these all this

510
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Speaker 6: money that he's put out, all of the.

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Speaker 3: Campaigning is for not.

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Speaker 6: No, it's not, no, it's not There's one pole that's

513
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Speaker 6: wildly skewed. Every time after every New York Times Siena

514
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Speaker 6: pole comes out, it completely changes the political battlefield out

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Speaker 6: there for about a week, week and a half. It

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Speaker 6: distorts the questions that are asked of the White House.

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Speaker 6: It distorts the questions that are asked of Donald Trump.

518
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Speaker 6: It distorts all of the opinion, It distorts everything, and

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Speaker 6: that keeps happening every month when this comes out. And

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Speaker 6: then finally about two weeks later, after the residue of

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Speaker 6: The New York Times, Siena pole leaves people go, oh,

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Speaker 6: I think Joe Biden's on a winning streak. And then

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Speaker 6: two weeks later it comes out again and it's garbage.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of drugs that people are taking. I would like

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Speaker 2: to take that. I actually love that. Imagine living in

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Speaker 2: that fantasy.

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Speaker 4: Imagine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, The allegation here is that The New York Times

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Speaker 1: is actually cooking the books in favor of Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and putting out what Joe's Carbon describes as click bait

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Speaker 1: articles to shape the cut, like imagine think the New

532
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Speaker 1: York Times is in the tank for Donald Trump, Like

533
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Speaker 1: it's completely insane. And then just factually he's asserting, oh,

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Speaker 1: we know that this is gard.

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Speaker 4: We know it's wildly skewed.

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Speaker 1: Get No, last time in twenty twenty, it was skewed

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Speaker 1: in the other direction. It wildly overstated Joe Biden's support

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Speaker 1: versus Donald Trump. Maybe things have changed, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: Other poles have gone another possible. But to just dismiss

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Speaker 1: this like, oh, don't be ridiculous. And here's the other thing,

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Speaker 1: Sagar is he's pretending like these are outliers. That's the problem.

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Speaker 1: This is not an outlier. Now, some of the national

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Speaker 1: polling has been okay for Joe Biden. Some have even

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Speaker 1: had him up by a few points, some have had

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Speaker 1: it tied, some have had him down by you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but within the margin of error.

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Speaker 4: But every single battleground.

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Speaker 1: Pole that I've seen recently, maybe there's some out there

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Speaker 1: that I haven't seen, but the battleground poles have consistently

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Speaker 1: been bad for Joe Biden. And to just like dismiss

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Speaker 1: that is incredible. But that's the White House is apparently

552
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: in this delusional state as well, where they don't believe

553
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Speaker 1: the polls. They're in like hashtag unskew the polls mode.

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Speaker 1: They don't think these accurately reflect his support. And so

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Speaker 1: even though you know, everyone looking at this objectively would

556
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Speaker 1: be like, you're not in a good position right now,

557
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Speaker 1: they're just staying the course.

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Speaker 4: They think it's all well and good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking, for example, at the battlegrounds and the

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Speaker 2: RCP polling average in every single battleground state has Trump leading.

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Speaker 2: His lowest margin is in the state of Wisconsin at

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Speaker 2: point six. In Arizona, the average is five point two.

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Speaker 3: For his lead.

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Speaker 2: In Georgia, the average is four point six. In Michigan

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Speaker 2: point eight, in Pennsylvania two points, in North Carolina five,

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Speaker 2: and in Nevada six point two.

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Speaker 3: So that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's not about the New York Times now again, as

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Speaker 2: you just said, and this would be a more accurate

571
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Speaker 2: freak out. Hey, guys, in twenty twenty two, they were

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Speaker 2: totally wrong. And so you know what, We're just going

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Speaker 2: to keep doing what we're doing, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: hope for abortion. We're going to show a little bit

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Speaker 2: more vigor. You know, he should be happy that Biden

576
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Speaker 2: is doing the debate. He's like, yeah, there you go,

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Speaker 2: Like that's the Joe that we need.

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Speaker 3: And you know, that's not a terrible case. I could

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Speaker 3: make that case.

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Speaker 2: I think there's roughly fifty percent chance that that could

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Speaker 2: be true.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have enough, I'm humble enough.

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Speaker 2: To have been here in our studio on the midterms

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Speaker 2: and just seeing things so shockingly wrong that you can't

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Speaker 2: state anything with any confidence now though, as Heyloman was

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Speaker 2: trying to say, he's like, look, we're just trying to

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Speaker 2: get indicators about the way things are going, and in

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Speaker 2: general I would not be comfortable with where they are.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is is that Scarborough and Biden are

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Speaker 2: actually comfortable where they are. And what kind of politician

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Speaker 2: is that? Maybe it will work out for you, but

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Speaker 2: that's not how you achieve victory.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think if I had to say, Biden, I

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Speaker 1: think actually believes because they they gained this perspective in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty that like everyone online is wrong and we

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Speaker 1: know better and it's all find good And even after

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Speaker 1: they got their butts kicked in Iowa and got their

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Speaker 1: butts kicked in New Him, they still were like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be It's gonna be okay. And it

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00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: turned out to be correct because you know, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, like there was no other candidate

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Speaker 1: in the sort of like you know, centrist, mainstream lane

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Speaker 1: who had any appeal with diverse voters, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the whole party coalesce behind Joe and they're able to

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Speaker 1: stay about the Bernie Sanders movement and.

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Speaker 4: Worked out for him.

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Speaker 1: So they took that as an indication of like, no,

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Speaker 1: everything is always going to be fine, like the freak

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Speaker 1: outs and the online chatter and what the media class

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Speaker 1: has to say, Like none of this has any veracity

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Speaker 1: ever whatsoever. We're just going to assume that it's twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty and it's the Democratic primary all over again, and

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Speaker 1: we're just fine. And they don't get it, and we

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Speaker 1: get it and they're freaking out and they're panicking, but

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Speaker 1: really everything's fine. I think they overlearned that lesson, and

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Speaker 1: so now even as more and more data points come

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Speaker 1: in that clearly indicate you're down thirteen points in Nevada,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, it's all cool and good. Even if

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Speaker 1: you have even the pull is off by half, you're

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Speaker 1: still getting your butt kicked in the state that you

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Speaker 1: won pretty easily last time around. So you're just gonna

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Speaker 1: dismiss all of that and pretend like that's all fine.

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Speaker 1: So I think the Biden people, Joe Biden himself, because

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Speaker 1: we'll get to this axis report in a minute, but

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Speaker 1: there are some people in his camp who are like,

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Speaker 1: we're kind of nervous, I'm worry maybe we should do something.

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Speaker 1: But he himself in the other top brass are like, no,

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Speaker 1: we're good, It's all fine.

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Speaker 4: Like I think they actually live in that delusional world.

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Speaker 1: I think Scarborough is just saying what his audience wants

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Speaker 1: to hear, and also what Joe Biden wants to hear,

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Speaker 1: because he wants to maintain his position. Is Joe Biden's

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Speaker 1: like favorite MSNBC anchor and stay in good graces with

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Speaker 1: the White House. I guarantee you he had a call

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Speaker 1: with someone in Biden World who was pushing exactly this

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Speaker 1: line of messaging, and he's just parroting it because it

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Speaker 1: feels good to the MSNBC audience, and it feels good

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Speaker 1: to his audience of one, a term we used to

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Speaker 1: use in the Trump years.

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Speaker 3: All the time.

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00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: Biden Biden is his own audience of one for Joe Scarborough.

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Speaker 1: And so I think he's getting this directly from White

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Speaker 1: House and putting it out to an audience that is.

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Speaker 4: Incredibly were so it was desperate to hear.

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Speaker 1: This kind of nonsense analysis and fantasy world prognostication.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I have here in front of me the results

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Speaker 2: from Nevada. Joe Biden won fifty percent of the vote

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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump got forty seven percent, so he won

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Speaker 2: it by roughly three The polls at that time, back

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, even when they understated Trump's support on

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Speaker 2: the eve of the election, had Joe Biden winning approximately

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Speaker 2: by four to five percent.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so there you go. I mean we share with

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Speaker 3: in the realm comfortable.

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Speaker 7: Here.

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Speaker 2: There's another guy, John Rawston, who I know, you know,

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Speaker 2: Crystal kind of the Nevada political guru. He did a

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Speaker 2: whole ride up of this and he said, I think

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Speaker 2: these are bad results for Joe Biden. And he even

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Speaker 2: warned that the same New York Time poll that found

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Speaker 2: Jackie Rosen leading in the Senate race, he goes, there's

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Speaker 2: no way a split ticket.

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Speaker 3: The split ticket.

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Speaker 2: Phenomenon that we have seen in the past just simply

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Speaker 2: does not match up with this. And if I was Rosen,

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Speaker 2: I would be freaking out.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that's the other thing we're learning is that Biden

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Speaker 2: is actually dragging Democrats down on the ticket exactly. If

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Speaker 2: you take him out of the equation, they're actually doing

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Speaker 2: pretty well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's the opposite of the Obama phenomenon, right.

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Speaker 1: Because so they want to take these results seriously from

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Speaker 1: the New York Times when it comes to the Senate candidates,

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Speaker 1: because the Democratic Senate candidates all did well in these polls.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to Joe Biden, Oh well that's

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Speaker 1: a different matter. Now we need to hashtag unskew the polls. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good luck with that, I mean, good luck with just

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Speaker 1: staying the course and hoping that works out for you,

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Speaker 1: because it certainly certainly doesn't look very good right now.

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Speaker 1: And if you were counting on Trump's legal troubles to

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Speaker 1: save you at some point, like that's not happening.

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Speaker 4: It's not happening.

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Speaker 1: Even if he's found guilty in this soul Stormy Daniels situation,

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Speaker 1: very unlikely. I think it's unlikely he faces prison time

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Speaker 1: over that. And public really hasn't tuned into it like

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Speaker 1: they're sort of it hasn't changed his poll numbers, like

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Speaker 1: it's happening right now, the damning testimony from Michael Cohen

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Speaker 1: and Stormy Daniels and whoever, David Pecker, it's happening right now,

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Speaker 1: and his polls are not moving or they're even edging

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Speaker 1: even you know more in his directtion, So hope you're.

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Speaker 4: Not counting on that to save the day.

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Speaker 1: CNN did their own somewhat more mild version of this

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Speaker 1: cope is not quite as extraordinary as Joe Scarborough. But suddenly,

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Speaker 1: when a really bad result comes in from Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: suddenly CNN learns like, oh, well, the polls, who can

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Speaker 1: even say? Who can even say whether these poles are

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Speaker 1: right whatsoever? Let's take a listen to Harry Unson's analysis here.

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Speaker 8: Polls are a snapshot in time. All right, So I

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Speaker 8: went back since nineteen hundred and seventy two. How far

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Speaker 8: are the poles off at this point? On average? They're off,

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Speaker 8: get this, by six points. They've been off by as

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Speaker 8: large as fifteen points. Michael Ducaucus was ahead of George

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Speaker 8: hw Bush at this point in nineteen eighty eight by

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Speaker 8: high single digits. It was actually George hw Bush who

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Speaker 8: won by high single digits. And keep in mind Trump's

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Speaker 8: only up by a point at this at this particular junction.

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Speaker 7: So the fact is the polls can shift a lot.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Joe Biden is in trouble, but we'll see where

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Speaker 8: we are a month, two months, three months, five months,

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Speaker 8: six months.

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Speaker 7: Down the road.

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to battleground polls in general, how

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Speaker 2: accurate are they?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: So this is looking at the national polls at this

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Speaker 8: point in time, What if we looked at the battleground

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Speaker 8: polls on the day of the election. All right, so

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Speaker 8: go back again. Since nineteen hundred and seventy two, they're

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Speaker 8: off by an average of four points. They're off by

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Speaker 8: an average of four points. In twenty twenty they were a

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Speaker 8: little larger.

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Speaker 7: The era was a little larger. It was five points.

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Speaker 8: And of course most of those polls underestimated Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: The key thing to keep in mind here in those

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Speaker 8: pivotal battleground states in the Great Lakes Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump is ahead, but only by between one and

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Speaker 8: two points.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, you would consider him favored. But if there's

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Speaker 7: one lesson we've.

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Speaker 8: Learned over the last few cycles, John, it's do not

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Speaker 8: take polls to the bank, especially when the margins were

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Speaker 8: as close as they are right now.

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Speaker 7: And who do the polls tend to be wrong for? Right?

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Speaker 8: So one of the chief complaints that Biden the Democrats

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Speaker 8: have is in twenty twenty two, the polls underestimated Democrats, right.

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Speaker 8: In twenty twenty, it was Republicans. In twenty two twenty two,

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Speaker 8: Joe Biden, the Democrats like to argue that the polls

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Speaker 8: underestimated Democrats. Now, that was true in the key battleground

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Speaker 8: states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, those major races, the polls

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Speaker 8: on average underestimated the Democratic candidates by about five points.

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Speaker 8: But if you look nationally, look at the National House Volte,

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Speaker 8: the polls actually underestimated Republicans by about two points. So

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Speaker 8: I'm not necessarily sure you could look at twenty twenty

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Speaker 8: two and argue that the polls will somehow this time

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Speaker 8: underestimate Joe Biden.

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Speaker 7: The fact is the poll errors John go back and forth.

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Speaker 8: They go back and forth within a cycle, and they

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Speaker 8: go back and forth when you compare over a bunch

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Speaker 8: of years.

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Speaker 4: So listen, that's all. That's all accurate. I'm not saying, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's all therapy sessions.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's it is.

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Speaker 1: Imagine this poll had come out in the other direction

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Speaker 1: and it showed Joe Biden up in all these battleground states.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they would be doing this segment.

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Speaker 1: Of like the Poles if they really really can't read

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Speaker 1: into this they I genuinely think it comes from a

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Speaker 1: place of they live in a bubble where they really

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Speaker 1: don't know any Trump supporters. You know, occasionally they'll run

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Speaker 1: into one in the green room that they have to

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Speaker 1: fight against or whatever, but they don't really know any

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Speaker 1: And so to look at the results and see that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump may be leading in all these battleground states,

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Speaker 1: They're like, that can't possibly be true. That just doesn't

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Speaker 1: match my experience of the world and my experience of

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Speaker 1: like the people around me and how they think about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and how they think about Joe Biden. And

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Speaker 1: so they've got to come up with some reason why

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Speaker 1: this pole doesn't match up with their experience of life

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Speaker 1: in America, and I think this is their attempt to

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Speaker 1: do it. Last thing we have for you is that

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Speaker 1: Axios report I referenced earlier where I think Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: himself genuinely does believe the polls are wrong, genuinely does

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Speaker 1: believe his support is understated. Biden's pulling denial. Why doesn't

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Speaker 1: believe he's behind? And listen, again, I don't rule it out.

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Speaker 1: It is possible, but you can't be certain, Like you

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Speaker 1: cannot be certain. In fact, history would indicate you should

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Speaker 1: probably lean in the other direction, because when we have

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Speaker 1: had we had a previous Biden Trump race, and in

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Speaker 1: that previous Biden Trump race, which is obviously the most

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Speaker 1: analogous thing to the circumstance, it really overestimated Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: really underestimated Donald Trump. So a midterm election is not

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Speaker 1: quite as analogous. And even as CNN points even that

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Speaker 1: was a mixed bag, even that wasn't clearly consistently skewed

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Speaker 1: in Democrats directions. So in any case, they have this

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Speaker 1: quote here from Biden, who has talked to donors about

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Speaker 1: how he thinks the poll numbers are wrong. He even

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Speaker 1: said to CNN in that interview that he thought that

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Speaker 1: the polling numbers are wrong.

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Speaker 4: He said, quote, the.

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Speaker 1: Polling data has been wrong all along. How many you

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Speaker 1: guys do a poll at CNN? How many folks do

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Speaker 1: you have to call to get one response? So he's

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Speaker 1: basically saying, like polling methodology has collapsed again, could be true?

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Speaker 1: Would you one hundred percent feel confident in that? There's

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Speaker 1: no way you could. You're just denying like possible reality here.

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Speaker 2: This is to me the problem with Biden himself. And look,

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Speaker 2: this is what being freaking eighty whatever years olf that

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Speaker 2: he is. Yeah, they're just that in his way. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're set in their way and they don't have any urgency.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, every book you ever read about victory is

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Speaker 2: that the people who achieve it always massively underestimated their

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Speaker 2: chances of success.

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Speaker 3: They never slept on it.

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Speaker 2: I was just reading this book called The Supreme Commander

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Speaker 2: by Steven Ambrose.

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Speaker 3: It's a history of Eisenhower and World War Two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even though he had overwhelming odds on his side, manpower,

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Speaker 2: the agony that this man lived with and thinking over

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Speaker 2: every single minute details to try and achieve victory, because

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Speaker 2: also understanding that even if one thing went wrong, it

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Speaker 2: could possibly screw the entire operation. Like, that's what I

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Speaker 2: want in a president. You know, that's what most people

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Speaker 2: would want in a president. If you really believe Biden says.

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Speaker 2: All the time democracy has had taken all that, it's like, okay, man,

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Speaker 2: you should probably act like it. You know, you should

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Speaker 2: fight for everything and leave it all out on the field.

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Speaker 2: But when you're this old, I mean, this is probably

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Speaker 2: as good as he can get.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: And I think that gets to something really key here,

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Speaker 1: which is, listen, one thing he could do that would

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Speaker 1: probably help his fortunes with young people in particular, and

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Speaker 1: this was also born out in New York Times polls.

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Speaker 1: He could actually change his policy visa vi Israel, he

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Speaker 1: clearly ideologically is just totally.

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Speaker 4: Unwilling to do that.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing he could do is literally

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Speaker 1: be a different person, because truly, truly, because part of

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Speaker 1: the core problem here is you, yourself and your age

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Speaker 1: and the lack of comfort with that among the American people.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, all right, well, you either recognize that

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Speaker 1: you are the wrong person to be running and you

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Speaker 1: drop out and you know, elevate someone else who is

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Speaker 1: more equipped for the challenge, or you live in dreamland

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Speaker 1: and you you know, stick with your denial. And so

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Speaker 1: I think that's where they are is because if they

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Speaker 1: actually acknowledge like Joe Biden is a uniquely weak Democratic candidate,

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Speaker 1: underperforming every single Democratic Senate candidate in the entire country,

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Speaker 1: then the only logical conclusion of that is not like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we need to do some more rallies or get out

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Speaker 1: the vote. It's you have to step aside because you're

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Speaker 1: not getting any You're not getting any more coherent. The

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Speaker 1: American people aren't getting any more comfortable with you personally,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's why they have to in a

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Speaker 1: sense live in the streamland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. Let's turn down to

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Speaker 2: foreign affairs. There was some shocking news yesterday. Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: of Slovakia, Robert Fiso, had an attempted assassination attempt after

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Speaker 2: he was leaving a public meeting. Now, just a warning,

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Speaker 2: we've blurred out and stopped any very disturbing images, but

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Speaker 2: in general this is very chaotic. So let's go and

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. You can see

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Speaker 2: the prime minister walking there to greet some members of

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Speaker 2: the public. We froze it right there where a lone

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Speaker 2: bystander pulled out a gun, pointed it down and began shooting.

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Speaker 2: You can see his security detail immediately grab him up

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Speaker 2: under the arms, throw him into his armored vehicle, and

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Speaker 2: immediately they sped off to the hospital. The news yesterday

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Speaker 2: was that he was in a life threatening condition, although

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Speaker 2: it appears now that he is no longer suffering. He

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Speaker 2: did have under he did underwent emergency surgery. His condition

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Speaker 2: has been downgraded to serious, but they no longer life threatening.

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Speaker 2: So that's where things stand right now, Crystal. There are

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Speaker 2: a lot of questions swirling around this because Robert Fizo.

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Speaker 2: We covered him here previously in the past. He is

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Speaker 2: a very interesting figure. He was elected in Slovakia, which

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Speaker 2: is a member of NATO, almost explicitly on an anti

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Speaker 2: Ukraine AID position. He's a fascinating kind of populist figure,

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Speaker 2: which we'll get to.

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Speaker 3: In a little bit. But you read a lot about

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00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: the assailant crystal. So what do we know?

877
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean we know who this individual was.

878
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: More or less. He's a seventy one year old from

879
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: a small western town. Apparently he works as a security guard.

880
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 7: You know.

881
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: The weapon reportedly was his own. The only thing we

882
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: know about his politics is according to a local Slovakian

883
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: TV station, they pulled a video where he complains. He says,

884
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the guarman's policies. Why are the

885
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: media being targeted? Why is RTVS, which is their public broadcasting,

886
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: under attack? Why was Mazak dismissed from his position. That's

887
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: a reference to an individual. So apparently Fio is a

888
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: very divisive figure for a whole lot of reasons. Ukraine

889
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: AID is his position on Ukraine is one of those reasons.

890
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: But he's also launched this full throated attack against public

891
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: broadcasting that's been incredibly divisive in the subject of current

892
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: protests in the country. And then there's also been a

893
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: lot of investigations of him in the past because he

894
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: was in government four and then his government collapsed over

895
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: allegations regarding actually a targeted murder, and so the people

896
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: that investigated him and his party over those allegations, over

897
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: corruption allegations, he has fired a bunch of those.

898
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: So this is one of those individuals who was fired.

899
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: So according to at least what we know of this individual,

900
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: it seems like he had a lot of problems with

901
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: the direction of the government under Robert Fiso.

902
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 4: So that's what we know at.

903
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: This as do we know so far.

904
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: It did not stop though some international observers, especially in

905
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: the UK, they hate his guts basically all of the

906
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: West does because he doesn't agree with them. On Ukraine,

907
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: it's him and it's Victor Orbon. We had a sky

908
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: News report almost immediately after which just look at the

909
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: way that they basically try and justify this assassination attempt.

910
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: Take a listen. We don't know his condition yet, but

911
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: he's being treated.

912
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 9: But it's worth thinking about who this individual is, as

913
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 9: I said, described in reporting as a populist as a nationalist.

914
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, well that would make sense. I mean Slovakia is

915
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 10: a very conflicted place at the moment. I mean I

916
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 10: Figo himself. I mean, he established this smear party SMER,

917
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 10: which is a social democracy party, back in nineteen ninety nine,

918
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 10: and he's been I think it was you just saying

919
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 10: prime minister three times. So he is a well known figure.

920
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 10: But he's become very pro Russian over the years. One

921
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 10: wonders why and how, but maybe that's his conviction and

922
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 10: he's I mean like Victor Orbann in Hungary. I mean

923
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 10: he's set his teeth against going along with sanctions, with

924
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 10: EU sanctions against common procurement, which Slovakia is very it's

925
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 10: a small country. I mean the sense that it's it's

926
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 10: you know, the Czechoslovakia, as was the Czech Republic, is

927
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 10: the bigger bit. Slovakia is the is the smaller bit,

928
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 10: although it was the more industrial in the old days,

929
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 10: so it's not to be it's not negligible, but Slovakia

930
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 10: is not a major player within the EU, but a

931
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 10: bit like Hungary, which is also a bigger country. It's

932
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 10: not a very big player in the EU economically. They

933
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 10: dig their toes in against aid to Ukraine and against

934
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 10: any sort of sympathy with Kiv and they keep saying, look,

935
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 10: we want the war to finish, and by that they

936
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 10: mean they want the Russians to succeed and then the

937
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 10: war will be over if Ukraine would just surrender and

938
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 10: give up territory. And so that's the view he takes. Now,

939
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 10: that's very divisive in Slovakia. It's divisive within the EU.

940
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 10: So it's not surprising that this sort of event might

941
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 10: take place because it's a very unhappy country at the moment, Slovakia,

942
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 10: not just on this basis, but on the basis of

943
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 10: how the country is going in general towards more authoritarian future.

944
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: Not surprising, not not at all. And it's like rampant speculation.

945
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: It's not even true whenever it turns out, well, we

946
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: know about the assailant. It turns out Slovakia is its

947
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: own country with its own problems.

948
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 4: And they everything's about us, right yeah now or Ukraine.

949
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, yeah, actually maybe people in Slovakia aren't

950
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: thinking all that much about Ukraine, but to them, oh

951
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: it's fine, you know. Imagine if it was a flip,

952
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: you know, and it was somebody who was a pro

953
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: Ukraine leader, let's say in Estonia or something like that,

954
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: another very insignificant, tiny country in Eastern Europe. And there

955
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: was speculation, you know, you know, in the interim that

956
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: they would be losing it here in Washington. But because

957
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: he has the wrong views on Ukraine, oh he's you know, basically,

958
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: it's fine, whatever happened to him. We actually have a

959
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: video just to give you an idea. What does this

960
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: man actually think. Let's play some of it, Okay, I'll

961
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: read from the subtitles. A couple of years ago, he says,

962
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: I believe the war in Ukraine began earlier in twenty fourteen,

963
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: when Ukrainian fashion killed citizens of Russian nationality in Ukraine.

964
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: So then he continues, I have a different opinion on

965
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: this matter. I still believe the Americans are fighting Russia

966
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: with Ukrainian soldiers. In twenty fourteen, Russia launched inoffensive against

967
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: the dun Boss. It all started with the murder or

968
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: murders of citizens of Russian nationality by Ukrainian fascists. And

969
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: please do not again distort all the data that exists here.

970
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: So what do we learn from this?

971
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: Now, he clearly has a longer view of the situation,

972
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: and he believes that it's a proxy war. That is

973
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: the same position held by Viktor Orbon of Hungary. And

974
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: even though those two gentlemen are members of NATO, prime ministers,

975
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: duly elected and very popular in their own hometowns, because

976
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: they have different dissonant and different views. You know, you

977
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: have Sky News here and the seat of the UK

978
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: and in Europe just being like, oh, it's okay, it's

979
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: totally fine.

980
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

981
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they really walk like right up to the

982
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: door of just outright just yeah, it's understandable someone would

983
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: target an attempt to assassinate the prime minister of Slovakia,

984
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: and I mean, in some ways, to me, the most

985
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: revealing part is just how they immediately fixate on his

986
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: position on Ukraine. Now, maybe that played into the motivations

987
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: of this. We don't know, and you didn't know, And

988
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: in fact, the only political commentary we have from the

989
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: alleged shooter doesn't say anything about Ukraine. So there's also

990
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: a level of chauvinism here of just assuming that the

991
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: reason that this broadcaster is upset with feats so it

992
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: must be the same reason that the shooter was upset

993
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: with him. And by the way, it's kind of understandable

994
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: really when you think about it, Isn't it so just

995
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: an incredible, like revealing moment that they would spend so

996
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: much time in that instant digging into what his position

997
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: is Ukraine versus Russia when there was no indication that

998
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: actually had anything to do with this targeted assassination. They

999
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: just jumped right to the conclusion that, like, this must

1000
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: be about us, right, because everything's about us.

1001
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: But they're also saying is like he was asking for it,

1002
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: he was asking me for it, And it's pretty much,

1003
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: by the way, according to your own press, Britz, how

1004
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: is it going in Ukraine? Oh shocking. Let's put this

1005
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. You're not going to see

1006
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: this on the front page of the New York Times.

1007
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: President Zelenski has been trapesing all over the world with

1008
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: his hand out asking for weapons. Has now canceled all

1009
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: upcoming foreign trips as Russia advances.

1010
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: Quote in the Kharkiv region.

1011
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: So as the news that we brought you on what

1012
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: was it on Tuesday in our show, things are going

1013
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: terribly for the Ukrainians on the battlefield, bad enough that

1014
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: Zelenski no longer feels comfortable even leaving the country, and

1015
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: their generals are in a full blown panic. But of

1016
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: course they're not going to lead with that, when they're

1017
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: going to continue painting everybody with false visions of victory.

1018
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: It's a sad situation, all really is.

1019
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: All right, Let's get to another deeply sad situation, although

1020
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: you know, somewhat amusing, I guess in this case Red Lobster.

1021
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: This is what I fought for in the show.

1022
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: I've been laughing about this for two days, and I

1023
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: think a lot of people would like to know the details.

1024
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1025
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: Dozens of Red Lobster locations suddenly were ended overnight and

1026
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: just shut down. Why because the company is on the

1027
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: verge of total bankruptcy, saying that they were going to

1028
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: have to auction off equipment of fifty different locations all

1029
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: had to close for foot for quote footprint rationalization. Now,

1030
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: what spawned the sudden closure of all of these store crystals.

1031
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 2: It appears to be a potential Chapter eleven filing on

1032
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: the heels of all you can Eat Shrimp endless Shrimp

1033
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: as it was called. It turns out that Red Lobster,

1034
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 2: which was already on the face of financial brinksmanship, their

1035
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: CEOs or their executives of a new team came up

1036
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: with this idea. They're like, all right, we got to

1037
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: get butts back in the seats. Inflation is killing us.

1038
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: These chain restaurants continue to lose customers because that's one

1039
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: of the main ones where lower income and middle class

1040
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: diners usually were consistent customers. Well, what we're going to

1041
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: do is we're going to bring them in here with

1042
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: an endless shrimp all you can eat promotion. But it

1043
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: turns out that they were massively underestimated the American public's

1044
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: appetite for endless shrimp, and they lost it in general

1045
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: millions of dollars in the span of just a year

1046
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: or so on the so called endless shrimp deal, so

1047
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: much so that their tie suppliers of shrimp were shocked

1048
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: at the amount that they were going through, and they

1049
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: were running massive losses because customers were so taking advantage

1050
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: of quote, all you can eat endless shrimp at the table.

1051
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: So your reaction, yeah, I mean they said all you

1052
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: can eat, and Americans were like, challenge okay, challenge. You

1053
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: know me, it's deeply personally sad. I have like a

1054
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: deep emotional connection to Bread Lobster. First of all, I

1055
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: still eat their Chutter biscuits all the time. You can

1056
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: buy the mix.

1057
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: They still sell.

1058
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: It, and my mom makes them particularly well. She adds

1059
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: even extra butter, and they're so working delicious. She literally

1060
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: made them for me like two nights ago, and they're amazing.

1061
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: And if that goes away, I'm going to be really sad.

1062
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to be really sad because those Chatter biscuits

1063
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: are an important contribution to the culinary landscape of America.

1064
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: In my personal opinion, that's number one.

1065
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 4: Number two.

1066
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, we really, we very rarely

1067
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: went out to eat. You know, we'd occasionally do like McDonald's,

1068
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: like after swim meet we go to McDonald's, or if

1069
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: it was like a really important occasion, like a Mother's

1070
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: Day kind of a thing, we might go to Red Lobster.

1071
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: And so I have very fond memories of going to

1072
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: Red Lobster. It was always a big deal and very

1073
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: special when we went there. So I still have a

1074
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: you know, deep sentimental connection to Red Lobster. I have

1075
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: to say I must be part of their decline because

1076
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: I haven't actually eaten in the restaurant in many years.

1077
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the landscape was sliding against them

1078
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: for quite a while. Now I do wonder if they

1079
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: were in better financial position though, if this endless stromp

1080
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: thing might have worked out for.

1081
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 4: Them in the end.

1082
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: It's certainly possible.

1083
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 4: It could be that. Okay, you take the loss.

1084
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, businesses do this all the time, where you

1085
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: take a short term loss and you sort of underprice

1086
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: your item to get people. At Walmart used to this

1087
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: is part of how Walmart grew in the early days.

1088
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Speaker 1: You underprice something to bring people in, and then once

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00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: you get them there and get them, then then remember like,

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Speaker 1: oh that was a great experience, let's go back, let's

1091
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: do it again, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: So maybe in the end it wouldn't have been a

1093
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 4: bad decision.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you never underestimate American's ability to eat endless

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00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: amounts of whatever.

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Speaker 3: Americans are Like, what did you think endless meant? Bro?

1097
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like we're going to take advantage America's

1098
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: always been great. Yeah, I mean, on the one siand

1099
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: it's also kind of sad whenever you consider it, But

1100
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: the business dynamics behind it are still not one that

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00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: we should celebrate. I mean, it is largely according to

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00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: their own customer research, it's the casual dining spend with

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00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: customers of incomes of fifty thousand dollars or less that

1104
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: have had to dramatically reduce visits and order fewer items

1105
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: when eating out, and more likely to take advantage of

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00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: endless shrimp. Yeah, because they don't have any money and

1107
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: inflation is just murdering them.

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Speaker 3: I say other thing.

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00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: Too again, I like, you have not been in a

1110
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: red lobster in many years. We don't even have many

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00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 2: around us. But some entrees are going for like thirty

1112
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: forty bucks. Wow, person, which is wild. I mean when

1113
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: you consider that at a chain restaurant, it's like, well,

1114
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: what's even the point. I might as well go to

1115
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: somewhere nice. We're gonna pay forty or fifty bucks. Apparently

1116
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: there have been that similar. There have been similar bankruptcies

1117
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: in the last several months with similar types of chains.

1118
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: So the text mex chain, the Wall Street Journal notes

1119
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: is the Tijuana Flat, New York based Sticky Fingers joint

1120
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 2: filed for chapter eleven. And then there was a famous

1121
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: one one that hit me particularly hard. Fox Trot Markets,

1122
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 2: which just suddenly overnight just collapsed. It was that they

1123
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: were very they're urban, so that we had one in

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Speaker 2: my neighborhood.

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Speaker 4: There was well, there are many, like a high end

1126
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 4: pharmacy or something.

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00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: It's not farm.

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Speaker 2: It was like, it was like, I don't know, they

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00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: build themselves like a high end corner store. It's like

1130
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: a place you can get coffee and upscale goods or whatever.

1131
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: It's just convenient because it's it's like a CBS, but

1132
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: it's the nicer goods way.

1133
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: Okay, got and that concept didn't work actually, because well

1134
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I think that clientele has money.

1135
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they do, but I don't think they had

1136
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: enough because they were they were billing all these like

1137
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 2: delivery things. They were they opened massive amounts of stores

1138
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: and then it turned out they just closed completely overnight.

1139
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: I actually got a message I posted about this on

1140
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: Instagram one of the people who worked at a red lobster.

1141
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: They said that they were worked at one of the

1142
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: top ten red lobsters in revenue just last year and

1143
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: then overnight just lose their job.

1144
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: You know. He's like a server there.

1145
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: And then overnight they were just like, yeah, actually, every

1146
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: single one of you is fired. So it's devastating. Actually,

1147
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, for a lot of the people who liked

1148
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: the restaurant, and.

1149
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 4: My sisters used to work at the.

1150
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: Really were the tips.

1151
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they were pretty.

1152
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: Good, Actually they did. I think they liked working there.

1153
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: They enjoyed that experience. Yeah, I think your point about

1154
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: the structure of the economy is the most important one,

1155
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: which is, you know, the audience they're catering to, was like,

1156
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: it's like a working class audience, and those are the

1157
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: people who have been hit hardest by inflation, those people

1158
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: who have been hit hardest by high interest rates. So

1159
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: the fact that this would be the moment when it's like,

1160
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: first of all, if you're giving me a deal on

1161
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: shrimp that I can't refuse, like I'm getting I'm getting

1162
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: in there, I'm taking advantage of it. And second of all, yeah,

1163
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: but that's going to be it, Like I can't be

1164
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: in red lobster every week.

1165
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: That's not going to work for me.

1166
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: And my budget is like nowhere near flush enough to

1167
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: take advantage of that. So I'm sure they took a

1168
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: hit during COVID as well, So a lot of these

1169
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: chains were probably like struggling COVID hits them struggling war.

1170
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: This was like a last ditch effort. And now here

1171
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 4: we are.

1172
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and skip ahead, guys to D three

1173
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: here and talk about Boeing because this is very important.

1174
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: The Justice Department it says that Boeing has violated the

1175
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: deal that would avoid prosecution after the seven thirty seven

1176
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 2: Max crash. So, for those who don't remember, the seven

1177
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: thirty seven Max had the software update system where for guidance,

1178
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: which they did not tell the pilots or properly train

1179
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: them about. This led to the deaths of several hundred

1180
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: people in two separate crashes twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen.

1181
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: Boeing then reached not only a settlement with the Department

1182
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 2: of Justice where they would pay some two point five

1183
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: billion dollars, but one which would have them avoid prosecution

1184
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: on any charges of fraud misleading federal regulators who approved

1185
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: the plane. They blamed basically deception on two low level employees,

1186
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: fired them, and they avoided prosecution for themselves and for

1187
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: the chief pilot, even though a lot of evidence at

1188
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: that time pointed both towards the company high level culpability.

1189
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, they escaped, go to the they escaped for sure.

1190
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: It was BS.

1191
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 7: Well.

1192
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: It's pretty interesting because now the head of the Justice

1193
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: Department's Criminal Fraud Division says that Boeing actually has violated

1194
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: the terms of that settlement by quote, failing to make

1195
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 2: promised changes to detect and prevent violations of federal anti

1196
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: fraud laws. So what that means is not only can

1197
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 2: they be prosecuted for previous actions, but they can also

1198
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: be prosecuted for any federal criminal violation of which the

1199
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: US has knowledge, which includes the current investigation into what

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00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: happened with the door plug flying off in the mid

1201
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: flight during that Alaska Airlines flight, where they have already

1202
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: found quality checks and other systemic problems inside of Boeing.

1203
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: This comes on the heels now of two whistleblowers suddenly dying,

1204
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: you know, in the midst of this investigation. But the

1205
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: reason it's so so significant is that this opens up

1206
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: crystal prosecution at the highest levels of the company and

1207
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: further finds after they really did get away scott free

1208
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: last time around. I mean, two point five billion is

1209
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: nothing for them when you consider even how much of

1210
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: their own stock they bought back, which is like ten.

1211
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 3: To twelve billion.

1212
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

1213
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: And I mean, we don't know whether they are going

1214
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: to face any sort of federal charges. This doesn't guarantee

1215
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: that that will actually happen, but it really opens the

1216
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: door for it. And Asaga was just alluding to, including

1217
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: that original charge of fraud because they lied to the

1218
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: government about what happened with those seven thirty seven maxes

1219
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: that crashed, killing hundreds of people.

1220
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 4: They lied about that and covered it up. They got caught.

1221
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: And the way they got out of charges that first

1222
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: time is bought through this It's called a consent decree.

1223
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: Through this consent decree that required them to pay some

1224
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: amount of money to victims. This two point five billion dollars,

1225
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: et cetera, which I know, you know, two point five

1226
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: billion dollars sounds like a lot, but in the grand

1227
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: scheme of Boeing and in the grand scheme of executives

1228
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: actually facing criminal charges and potential prison time, it's a

1229
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: drop in the bucket. So now that situation that they

1230
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: thought they had sort of wrapped up with the bow

1231
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: and put behind them and were able to move forward,

1232
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: now totally one hundred percent back on the table. Of course,

1233
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: this comes as there are more and more whistleblowers coming

1234
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: out about the culture at Boeing and how sloppy it

1235
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: is and how profits rule over safety every single time.

1236
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: We've now had two of those whistleblowers quote unquote end

1237
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: up dead. Apparently they need to get rid of a

1238
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: few more whistleblowers since they're going to get themselves out

1239
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: of this trouble. It looks like because a picture has

1240
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: already been painted of incredibly sloppy and negligent practices with

1241
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: absolutely disastrous results. I mean, we are so lucky that

1242
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: with that door plug situation, that that wasn't yet another

1243
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: mass casualty event, because if they were a little higher,

1244
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: if you'd had you know, people happens to be wearing

1245
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: their sweet belts, thank god, and didn't get sucked out

1246
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: of the spaces created there. I mean, we are so

1247
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: that was such a narrow miss. But really, you know,

1248
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: shin of light once again on and how they basically

1249
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: haven't changed since causing since killing these hundreds of people previously.

1250
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: So floodgates are open and Boeing is I think has

1251
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: feel like they're in big trouble at this point, I

1252
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: would hope.

1253
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: So we'll see, let's return to that DOJ release that

1254
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: came out previously. Let's put this up there on the

1255
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: screen just to show every This was the original one

1256
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: that was announced in January of twenty twenty one. So

1257
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: this is actually under the Trump and Biden administration here

1258
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: where they were charged with the Max fraud conspiracy and

1259
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: agreed to pay the fine. They basically avoided all criminal prosecution.

1260
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: And it's just in a matter of three years re materialize.

1261
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: Don't forget this too. Boeing got a massive bailout from

1262
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: the federal government back in twenty twenty during the COVID,

1263
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: the COVID bailouts in March of twenty twenty. And you know,

1264
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: they've been a major recipient of taxpayer dollars on top

1265
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: of all of the government contracts that they get. This

1266
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: is a very vital company to the US. So for

1267
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: all of this to happen and for this basically the government,

1268
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: you know, had the chance to actually do something about

1269
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: this and let them get away with it. Again, that's

1270
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: a major story of corporate corruption. So we're going to

1271
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: stay on top of it because we know how important

1272
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: it is, and we'll give everybody updates when the time comes.

1273
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and turn to the very

1274
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: latest on of Israel. Some really extraordinary noteworthy to developments

1275
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: from the domestic politics there.

1276
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 4: Let's go and put this up on the screen.

1277
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: So Israeli Defense Minister Yoev Galant is calling directly called

1278
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: a press conference and called on Netnu directly to reject

1279
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: military rule in Gaza. Let me go ahead and read

1280
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: you a little bit of his comments here. He said

1281
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: that he wanted to he challenged him to promote an

1282
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: alternative governing body to Hamas's rule. He goes on to say,

1283
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: as early as October seventh, the military establishment said it

1284
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: was necessary to work towards finding an alternative to Hamas,

1285
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: emphasizing that the end of the military campaign is a

1286
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: political decision. The day after Hamas will only be achieved

1287
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: by actors who replace Hmas. This is first and foremost

1288
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: and Israeli interest. Galant said the military's plan was not

1289
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: flagged for discussion, and worst, no alternative was.

1290
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 4: Brought in its place.

1291
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: Military rule in Gaza is a bad and dangerous alternative

1292
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: for the State of Israel. According to him, such a

1293
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: decision would be paid for quote in blood and victims,

1294
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: and it will come at a heavy economic cost. NETANYAHUO

1295
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: responded to this, saying, after the terrible massacre, I ordered

1296
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: the destruction of Hamas Idea fighters and security forces are

1297
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: fighting for this. As long as Hamas remains, no other

1298
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: actor will run Gaza, and certainly not the Palestinian authority.

1299
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: Psycho Bezaliel Smocher Chus Finance minister said quote. Defense Minister

1300
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: Galant effectively announced today his support for the establishment of

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01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: a Palestinian terrorist state as a reward to terrorism and

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Speaker 1: Hamas for the worst massacre to have been carried out

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Speaker 1: against the Jewish people since the Holocaust. Such a defense

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Speaker 1: minister must be replaced in order to achieve the war's goals.

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Speaker 1: That was Ben Gavier who said that last part. So basically,

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Speaker 1: now even the Israeli Defense Minister Saber is Hamas, is

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Speaker 1: pro Hamas. That's the level of discourse that we're at.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you have Golant has been in favor

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Speaker 1: of total war and annihilation from the beginning. So now

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Speaker 1: to at this point be like, oh wait, you don't

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Speaker 1: have a plan for the day after it is preposterous

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Speaker 1: because we're you know, just YouTubers, and we've been talking

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Speaker 1: about this since day one. It was very clear there

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Speaker 1: was never any plan. The only plan was devastation and destruction.

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Speaker 1: That has been abundantly evident. So you're just now noticing that.

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Speaker 1: But still the fact that he very publicly called bb

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Speaker 1: to the carpet. This comes on the heels of the

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Speaker 1: generals also briefing in a very similar manner against Bebe

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Speaker 1: the gance. Also, Benny Gantz also took the side of, yo,

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Speaker 1: have galant here siding, you know, on the side of like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you need to come up with some sort of plan

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Speaker 1: of what's going to happen next. And of course the

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Speaker 1: Smotrich and the ben Gavier's of the world, they have

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Speaker 1: a plan and this is not speculation. They're out there

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Speaker 1: talking about we need to push Palestinians out, we need

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Speaker 1: to fully resettle Gaza.

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Speaker 4: That's their plan. Bibe has just sort of pushed this

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Speaker 4: all off because to.

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Speaker 1: Agree with them is to blow up the coalition on

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Speaker 1: the more quote unquote moderate side, and to agree with

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote moderates and whatever their plan is, which

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Speaker 1: isn't even really clear either, would be to blow up

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Speaker 1: the coalition on the other side. So all of these

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Speaker 1: people are complicit in, you know, the utter destruction and

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Speaker 1: devastation and utter stupidity from an Israeli national interest perspective

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Speaker 1: of the situation. But now they're starting to play the

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Speaker 1: blame game and try to throw each other under the Bible.

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Speaker 3: I told you it was going to happen, you know.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I went back and I found

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Speaker 2: the full quote, and some of these are just amazing

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Speaker 2: because they're saying it, you know, in academic speak, but

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Speaker 2: you can read between the lines. So here's one from

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Speaker 2: Colonel Peter Mansur. He wrote a book on the search.

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend it. It's like an actual military history.

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Speaker 2: He was chief of staff that David Petraeus back in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. Here's a direct quote that he

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Speaker 2: says to the Washington Post. The Israelis and Gaza are

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Speaker 2: committing the same primary mistake of the Americans in Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: in Iraq, seeking a primary military solution to fundamentally a

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Speaker 2: political issue. By pursuing the destruction of Hamas and ignoring

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Speaker 2: the root causes of the conflict, the Israelis, by their actions,

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Speaker 2: are creating more future combatants than they are eliminating. Inevitably,

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Speaker 2: Hamas two point zero will rise from the ashes of

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Speaker 2: the current fighting and they already have. Yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I know why they're playing the playing game now because

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Speaker 2: now they're like, oh, it's not this actually turns out

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Speaker 2: and it's really not working, and that our JV military

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Speaker 2: is not particularly good at what it does. I mean

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Speaker 2: just today, you know, I see the news five israelis

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Speaker 2: what is it? We're killed by friendly fire? They fired

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Speaker 2: on their.

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Speaker 1: Own and a number of others injured. They yeah, they

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Speaker 1: murdered their own soldiers.

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Speaker 2: They murder their own soldiers, They murdered their own hostages,

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Speaker 2: and not a single sat which has been rescued. I mean,

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Speaker 2: which Palestinian is going to govern this place in the future.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: The only thing too, is he's trying to get out

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Speaker 2: of a military occupation. I'm like, no, no, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: want you to do it, because it's like they're the

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Speaker 2: ones now you got to eat and reap and what

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Speaker 2: if you have sown from the future. And that's why

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Speaker 2: the Palestinian authority, the US and the Arabs, nobody should

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Speaker 2: bail them out of their own problem. They got to

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Speaker 2: eat the cost of what they've done.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, it's just that there is no

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Speaker 1: answer other than horrifying ones from this point forward, not

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Speaker 1: nothing that's actually on the table. I mean, ideally Palaestins

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Speaker 1: would be able to govern themselves and have their own state,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, but clearly that's.

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Speaker 4: Not in the cards. I saw.

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Speaker 1: Even the Arab states at this point are just like,

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Speaker 1: we need some sort of a statement they're committed to

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Speaker 1: two state solution for us to cooperate.

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Speaker 4: With you whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Even that is not even possible because net Nyahoo is

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Speaker 1: adamantly opposed to even pretending that that is something that

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Speaker 1: he's interested.

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Speaker 4: He is dead set against it.

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Speaker 1: Has been his entire career, brags about it, has staked

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Speaker 1: his entire political power and career on being the guy

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Speaker 1: that is going to forever block a two state solution.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, every every answer is a horrifying one and

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Speaker 1: has been from the beginning, which is why I have

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Speaker 1: You know, I have no sympathy for the Yoaw of Galantza,

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Speaker 1: the world or these generals or whatever. The military is

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Speaker 1: the one who they're the ones who came up with

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Speaker 1: this plan for total war and all out annihilation. What

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Speaker 1: did you think it was gonna look like the day after?

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Speaker 1: What did you think that was going to lead to?

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Speaker 1: Who did you think you were dealing with here in

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Speaker 1: terms of net Nyahu and Smotrich and Bengevir. But it

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Speaker 1: is incredible that you now have even you know, Smotridge

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Speaker 1: basically accusing the Defense Minister of being pro home, which

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Speaker 1: just shows you the utter insanity of the situation. For

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Speaker 1: what it's worth, the US came out and you know,

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Speaker 1: backed up you have Golan said we agree with him.

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Speaker 4: There needs to be a plan. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: It's just an it's sort of an utterly ridiculous conversation

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Speaker 1: because it's been so obvious from the beginning that Hamas

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Speaker 1: cannot be quote unquote defeated in the way that they

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Speaker 1: portrayed from the beginning. The plan that they were, you know,

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Speaker 1: enacting this total annihilation, which is devastating, devastating to the

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Speaker 1: civilian population, of civilian life in Gaza, was not a

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Speaker 1: plan designed even to achieve that objective as a plan

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Speaker 1: to designed to achieve revenge and destruction.

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Speaker 4: That's what it was.

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Speaker 1: To satiate the anger and the outrage, understandable outrage after

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Speaker 1: October seventh, But it was never about anything other than

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Speaker 1: we are going to destroy. We're going to have massive devastation.

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Speaker 1: And now, I mean, this is interesting. So there's starting

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Speaker 1: to be all these acknowledgments from a bunch of the

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Speaker 1: mayor officials and even a bunch of Israeli officials that

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Speaker 1: you know, you're not going to actually defeat Hamas. And

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Speaker 1: latest version of this in the Wall Street Journal. It's

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Speaker 1: both true and interesting that this is being put out there. Now,

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. So they're saying Hamas

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Speaker 1: shift to gorilla tactics raise the specter of forever war

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Speaker 1: for Israel. The Islamist militant group is using hit and

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Speaker 1: run tactics and smaller groups of fighters to show it

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: can fight for months, if not years. They go into

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Speaker 1: some interesting details here about how HAMAS has continued to

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Speaker 1: be able to effectively hit the IDF and how you

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Speaker 1: know they were able to use their tunnel system more

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Speaker 1: effectively than anticipated. They still haven't been able to get

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Speaker 1: sin war, etcetera, etcetera. These are all things we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about. But I think it's funny how they frame

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Speaker 1: the saga that their shift to gorilla tactics as if

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Speaker 1: Hamas was ever like a regular fighting force, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this was always a gorilla insurgency, even as

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Speaker 1: they were technically the government of the Gaza Strip. And

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Speaker 1: so I also read into this a bit of cobe

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Speaker 1: of like, oh, well, the reason we won't be able

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Speaker 1: to defeat them is because they've shifted to these gorilla tactics.

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Speaker 1: This was is no different than from the beginning. This

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Speaker 1: was very obvious and very apparent. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: you have given Hamas and Islamic Jihad and whoever else

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Speaker 1: so much recruiting material that you know, as a social

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Speaker 1: movement and as an appealing form of resistance to Palestinian people,

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Speaker 1: like who do you think these orphans or these you know,

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01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: kids who watch their brother or sister killed and their

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Speaker 1: home destroyed, or who themselves were shot in Angela, Who

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Speaker 1: do you think that they're going to support?

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Speaker 4: What sort of political ideology do you think that they're

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Speaker 4: going to have?

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Speaker 1: So so, in any case, that's the framing now is like,

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Speaker 1: oh well, gosh, the quote here is actually interesting. From this,

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Speaker 1: the head of the Middle East and North Africa program

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Speaker 1: at International Crisis Group says, quote Hamas is everywhere in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Hamas is far from defeated. So that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: Even as they have gone into Rafa. Now remember Rafa

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Speaker 1: was suppose, Oh this is the last day and this

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Speaker 1: is how we'll really defeat Hamas. We at the same time,

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Speaker 1: they've had to go back into northern Gaza, Gaza City, Shibali,

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Speaker 1: your refugee can't because guess what when you left and

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Speaker 1: there was just nothing but a vacuum. Yeah, who else

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Speaker 1: is going to come back into power than Hamas?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that actually another way to look

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Speaker 2: at Gallant's comments, He's trying to bail out himself from

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Speaker 2: the future.

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Speaker 3: What the future will look again?

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Speaker 2: You know, he said, at all of this, what their

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Speaker 2: military took in terms of casualties is child's play compared

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Speaker 2: to what will come from actual military occupation. Look no

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Speaker 2: further than US military casualties in Iraq. If you're actually

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Speaker 2: responsible for governing this place, you better gear up. You

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Speaker 2: better have the best suicide bomb. You know, you bet,

1478
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Speaker 2: I have the best practices that you possibly can. And

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Speaker 2: even then, hundreds of you know, possibly thousands of your

1480
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Speaker 2: troops are going to get killed. And this was inevitable

1481
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Speaker 2: from the beginning. This is not the way that they

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Speaker 2: should have fought the war. But there I really I

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Speaker 2: want them to reap what they have sown because they

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Speaker 2: need to bear the cost. And a lot of this

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Speaker 2: also is I think that they're trying to get the

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Speaker 2: US and the Arab States to basically fail them out

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Speaker 2: of whatever will look like in the future. But I

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Speaker 2: don't support that at all because they're the ones. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if you noted this too,

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Speaker 2: it's not just the military. He's like, the economic cost

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Speaker 2: of this will be terrible. I'm like, you blew the

1492
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: shit out of this place, You're paying for it. But

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Speaker 2: of course, knowing US will probably build them out.

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Speaker 3: In the end.

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Speaker 1: I just want I just want adjust resolution. I just

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Speaker 1: want people to not be starving to death. I want

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Speaker 1: kids to stop getting massacred. And I don't know when

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Speaker 1: that is ever going to come. I mean, it just

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Speaker 1: feels like there's no end insight. Adding to the horror

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Speaker 1: we showed you earlier this week, the way that these

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Speaker 1: right wing activists have been upping their attacks on aid convoys,

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Speaker 1: you have a dire humanitarian situation there.

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Speaker 4: I really encourage you.

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Emily did a gut wrenching interview with an

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Speaker 1: American nurse who is trapped in a hospital in Conunis

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Speaker 1: and talking about the situation for her and her colleagues

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Speaker 1: and for regular Palestinians. It's just it's unimaginable. And you

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Speaker 1: have these psychos who are protesting by blocking the little

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Speaker 1: bit of aid, trying to block whatever AID is actually

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Speaker 1: managing to make its way into the Gaza Strip, furthering

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Speaker 1: what are already in portions of the Gaza Strip deemed

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Speaker 1: to be famine conditions. The US National Security Advisor Jake

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Speaker 1: Sullivan actually responded to some of the latest settler attacks,

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Speaker 1: the ones that we showed you on the show earlier

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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what Jake Sullivan had to say.

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Speaker 9: Since Israel took the Rafa crossing, we have seen difficulty

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Speaker 9: getting aid through either Rafa or Karen Shalom, and this

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Speaker 9: is a matter of great concern to us. This is

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Speaker 9: something we're working not just with the Israeli government, but

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Speaker 9: the Egyptian government in the United Nations, because it will

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Speaker 9: take all three of them working together to make this happen.

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Speaker 9: This is an urgent and critical situation. We have got

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Speaker 9: to get those crossings open to get more aid in.

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Speaker 9: That has been an issue of the past through days,

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Speaker 9: since these military operations, and it's something we are working

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Speaker 9: through with all the relevant parties. It is a total

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Speaker 9: outrage that there are people who are attacking and looting

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Speaker 9: these convoys come from Jordan going to Gaza to deliver

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Speaker 9: humanitarian assistance. We are looking at the tools that we

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Speaker 9: have to respond to this, and we are also raising

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Speaker 9: our concerns at the highest level of the Israeli government

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Speaker 9: and it's something that we make no bones about. This

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Speaker 9: is completely and utterly unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: So some tutting there over these settlers, Yeah, tough words.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're having difficult conversations behind the scenes, Sagrath.

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Speaker 1: They've raised this with the highest levels of government, and

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Speaker 1: since they're not willing to actually do anything, and even

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Speaker 1: their little like you know, slight pause on a weapon

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Speaker 1: shipment was immediately overcome, Ryan and Emily covered. Now they're

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Speaker 1: shipping another billion dollars in weapons, So they're willing to

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Speaker 1: actually do anything about these things. Obviously, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to hold our breath. We got some more details from

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Speaker 1: how Ratz. This was actually written up in Times of Israel.

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Speaker 1: The reporting is from Haretz about who these people are,

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Speaker 1: who these right wing activists are that are blocking these

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Speaker 1: A convoys, and in particular we have direct reporting about

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Speaker 1: collaboration with these government which is no surprise because their

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Speaker 1: official government policy has been a complete siege and have

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Speaker 1: only allowed in a minimal amount of aid under pressure.

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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, the noteworthy thing from the convoy

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Speaker 1: attacks and from these protests that we've been pointing to

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Speaker 1: is oftentimes the police and military standing by and doing

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. So in the wake of this and after

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Speaker 1: this cause this international upset which is the focus of

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Speaker 1: the headline here Israeli police and the IDF. They traded

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Speaker 1: blame once said the police said the army was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be guarding the trucks. The army said the incident

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Speaker 1: fell into the police's jurisdiction. But the reality is they

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Speaker 1: spoke to a senior security establishment official. That individual told

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Speaker 1: Haretz that quote, police are turning a blind eye to

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Speaker 1: the rioting of lawbreakers who luten burned the AID and

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Speaker 1: also alleged they were receiving inside information regarding the movement

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Speaker 1: of the trucks. So not only as a blind eyed

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Speaker 1: being turned. They're all so getting information about where the

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Speaker 1: trucks are going from government sources so that they can

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Speaker 1: attack those AID convoys, loot and burn them and assault

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Speaker 1: the drivers too. By the way, the official went on

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Speaker 1: to say, some members of the police force avoid cracking

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Speaker 1: down on the activists, while others off only reluctantly agree

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Speaker 1: to tackle the issue.

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Speaker 4: Quote, there is a feeling they're.

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Speaker 1: Trying to please someone specific in the government, the official added,

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Speaker 1: referring to National Security Minister Aamar Ben Kavier, whose office

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Speaker 1: oversees the police.

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Speaker 4: So they're turning a blind eye.

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Speaker 1: They're feeding them non public information so that they can

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Speaker 1: go and assault these AID convoys. And it's all because

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Speaker 1: this is official Israeli government policy. I saw another report,

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Speaker 1: another independent analysis. You know, we talked about the Flower massacre,

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Speaker 1: the idea of firing on Palestinians who were trying to

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Speaker 1: get AID off of a truck and killing one hundred

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Speaker 1: of them. There have been eighty some Israeli Defense Force

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Speaker 1: attacks on AID shipments eighty some, So that was not

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Speaker 1: an isolated incident. That is part of a pattern and

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Speaker 1: which you have to you know, you have to assume

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Speaker 1: is an intentional policy from the Israeli government, because otherwise

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be happening some eighty times, they wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: feeding this secret information. Then you know, the last thing

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Speaker 1: I'll show you here is there was another attack on

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian driver.

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Speaker 4: We can put this up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 4: very disturbing.

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Speaker 1: You can see him there on the ground, suffering, by

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Speaker 1: the way, no one helping him, no one caring. There

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Speaker 1: are soldiers right there doing nothing for him. You'd see

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Speaker 1: these settlers with giant weapons. And the reason they attacked

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Speaker 1: this man who happens to be a truck driver. A

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Speaker 1: senior official says, oh, well, they beat him because they

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Speaker 1: thought he was delivering aid. I think of the sickness

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01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,839
Speaker 1: of those where they almost use it as an excuse. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was understandable that they assault, aggressively assaulted

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: this Palestinian truck driver because they thought he might be

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Speaker 1: trying to feed starving people.

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Speaker 4: Just grotesque.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing is nuts, and it just shows

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01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: you how little control that they are not. Okay, either

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Speaker 2: have control the situation or they don't have control situation.

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Speaker 3: Both are terrifying.

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Speaker 2: We also wanted to give everybody an update on the peer,

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Speaker 2: the military peer.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there.

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Speaker 2: Ken Klippenstein for End of the Show can exclusively report

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01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 2: the Pentagon expects to have the Gods of PA peer

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Speaker 2: in place as soon as the next twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: But that has now been confirmed by the US military.

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Speaker 2: But then the question is is how much aid is

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Speaker 2: actually going to go in this? Like what's happening? It

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Speaker 2: will quote soon flow to Israel and or so soon flow. Remember,

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Speaker 2: there's several questions here. Are is really troops going to

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Speaker 2: pre screen the aid that's going in? Are we going

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Speaker 2: to make sure that our troops aren't attacked? The bill

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Speaker 2: for this is some known three hundred and fifty million dollars,

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01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 2: while there's perfectly good trucks sitting at the Rafa crossing

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Speaker 2: which we don't even have to pay for and is

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Speaker 2: waiting to go in. Our own producer Mac was flagging

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Speaker 2: the possibility that this they may then just shut all

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Speaker 2: aid off that's coming in through a much more inefficient peer.

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Speaker 2: Just has to also happens to be that we have

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Speaker 2: to pay for it and facilitate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the whole thing is a.

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01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 2: Boondoggle where you know, instead of exerting diplomatic pressure for them.

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01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: Just let aid that's already coming in. Our troops are

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Speaker 2: in harms way, we're eating the cost. I cannot think

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01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,799
Speaker 2: of a better example of our policy towards Israel.

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Speaker 1: Complete insanity. Yeah, at the very best, this is a

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01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: virtue signal. At the very best, it's an ass covering bullshit, expensive,

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01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: dangerous virtue signal. At worst, it's much more nefarious because

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Speaker 1: remember Babe said, hey, maybe we can use this peer

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01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 1: to help ship some of these Palestinians on here and

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Speaker 1: achieve his goal of quote unquote fitting out the population.

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01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: So at worst, we end up being complicit in the

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01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing, not just complicit, but actively aiding and betting

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01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: the ethnic cleansing. Biden announced this in a State of

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Speaker 1: the Union. Actually, ah, it's his idea, Gus, he's some

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01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: great humanitarian while reporting comes on off to the fact, Oh, actually,

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01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: this was Bebe's idea. This was Bebe's idea, So tell

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01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: me what his intentions are for. So that's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, the US has defunded and refuses to work

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Speaker 1: with UNRA, the number one aid organization actually.

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Speaker 4: On the ground.

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01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: And even though it has now turned out that the

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01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: allegations about ANRA having Hamas terras whatever, total and complete bullshit.

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Speaker 4: The Israelis never provided.

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01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: A shred of evidence to back up those claims which

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01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: were used to defund this critical agency at a time

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Speaker 1: when Palestines are literally starving to death. So we're not

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01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 1: working with UNRA. So how is the aid getting distributed?

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Speaker 4: No one knows.

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01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,799
Speaker 1: Answered that, no one knows how to answer that, there's

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01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: very little in the way of planning. And then third

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01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: to the point about this being very dangerous. Gaza is

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01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: an active war zone in case you don't know, And yeah,

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01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: Hamas is still out there and I don't think they

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: love us too much right now.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, while they were constructing this.

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Speaker 1: Peer, there were actually tempted attacks in the area and

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Speaker 1: you know, directly aimed at our people that are constructing

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Speaker 1: this peer. So total insanity comes at a time when

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Speaker 1: the Rafa crossing, which has been the key entry point

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Speaker 1: for aid, has been because of the Israeli invasion into Rafa.

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Speaker 1: Another crossing was also closed. You have increasingly dire situation

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Speaker 1: in the northern Gaza strip was the place that was

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01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: under the most to us and where you know, UN

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01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: officials had said officially famine had set in. Now the

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Speaker 1: southern Gaza strip is also approaching those level of conditions.

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Speaker 1: We don't really know exactly the dire circumstances that they

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01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: are facing there, but based on the report from the

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Speaker 1: nurse on the ground and other things, we're anecdotally getting out.

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Speaker 1: It's a very bad situation because some of the key

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Speaker 1: crossings have already been closed. So dire situation. And our

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01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: solution is this utter and complete, dangerous, stupid, expensive nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Yep, there's just two Peru.

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Speaker 2: There's no, there's there's no it's bottomless, just what we

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01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 2: will the stolishness, the foolishness and humiliation on behalf of Israel.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to put quick shout out to

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Speaker 1: Ken He just went independent.

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Speaker 3: be a member.

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Speaker 1: The subscribe, support him. He's just a fantastic reporter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: think about here. He is independent journalists. This is a

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Speaker 1: big scoop.

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Speaker 4: No, it's huge, and he got it before New York Times.

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01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 1: Watch out any of these people, you know, Axios, CNN.

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Speaker 1: He beat them to this big scoop. Even as an

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Speaker 1: independent journalist. He's got fantastic sources, really good, does an

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Speaker 1: excellent job, so please give him a.

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