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It 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.200 doesn't get any better than that horn. Unleash the fard. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:06.800 On the NFL calendar, there are two absolutes on a 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.800 year round basis. I said to a pair of Staples, 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:16.920 you can count on weekend and week out. First, the first, 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.440 thanks for playing along Wolf. The first would be the 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.319 Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.520 are santan for fifty two weeks per year. Here in 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.119 the Big Red Rage, Paul Calvci here, Ron Wolfley there, 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.000 and Wolf you are there? Correct? Yes, I am here, Paul, aken, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.120 it is dinner time. We're never quite sure. We just 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.360 want to make sure you don't have anything I could 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.720 eat ball. And then number two power rankings. You can 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:45.000 count on NFL power rankings every single week of the year. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.280 I defy you to go a single week without finding 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.320 a new power ranking. And I've done just that right 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.120 in front of me, right here, right now, Wolf, as 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.800 a purveyor of power rankings. Are you ready? Oh, Paul, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:58.080 this is just a brutal exercise. CBS Sports as a 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.160 new one out today, and you know, Wolf, before you 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:06.400 start the disdain, in the mocking, in the minimizing, um, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.800 you know what. I think this is gonna hold until 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.480 the season starts in September. Oh Polly, please a power 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.760 ranking not of teams, not of players, but of divisions. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.399 Oh well, if you're talking about the NFC West being 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.640 the best division in the football universe, I think you're right, Polly. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.919 There you go, yeah, ding and more ding because it's 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.600 big setup. But you help, Paul. I hate to shoot 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.600 it down, but the NFC West, I think the AFC 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.360 North in the NFC West battling it out. Correct, Wolf, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.639 you've obviously come to the show prepared. The NFC West's 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.280 number one. You've defied the doubters out there in the haters. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.639 You are actually prepared for this edition of the Big 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.080 Red Rage. NFC West is number one in the power 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.160 rankings and the AFC North is number two. Would you 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.239 how lucky do you feel right now? Wolf? If you 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.200 want to let a ride and name number three in 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.720 the power rankings, do not Paully hit me with it. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.880 AFC West, Hey number three? Last? Okay? Yeah, oh all 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.760 right da? Well, of course the Kansas City chiefs right, 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.359 and everyone's looking at the Raiders still wondering whether aids 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.520 gay to be good or not? Yea, I can see that, Paul, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.960 like justin Herbert. And then you know, when the Raiders 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.160 end up with Aaron Rodgers, you know, look out. So 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.280 there you go, man, we're talking about the Denver Broncos, 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.720 of course ending up with Aaron Rodgers. Either one really 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.360 gonna happen. Do you really think Aaron Rodgers is going 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.600 to be moved by the Green Bay Packers? I think 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:35.800 it's a waste of breath. Probably, probably, But believe me, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.080 he's gonna play this along as long as he possibly can, 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.720 as as you can see, right down to his Hawaiian vacation, 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.280 of which we're getting plenty of Instagram photos right about now. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.440 So maybe, just maybe we'll ask Rob Frederickson about that, 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.640 because you know what, we have lots of questions for 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.800 the former first round pick, the former first round linebacker. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.720 If you want to know about Zavin Collins, you know what, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.280 Bring on, Rob Frederickson. We'll do you that shortly here 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.440 on The Big Red Rage. But I'm out. Last week 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.880 on The Big Red Rage, Wolf Drew Grigson, would you say, 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.800 would you say the Cardinals director of player Personnel moved 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.880 the meter with his interview? Yeah, there's no doubt about him. Man, 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.800 he knocked it out of the park. And here he 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.880 is right off the top, and we asked him about 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.800 Zavian Collins and obviously coming off the rookie minicamp and 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.960 three days practicing on air, and okay, what can you 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.800 tell if you're a personnel guy, Drew Grigson, with his 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.400 command of the huddle, with his command of the defense, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.800 his ability to make adjustments even before he gets him 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.080 from Vans. I mean, he's knocking stuff out, you know, 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.800 vants telling me that if he makes a mistake, that's it. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.880 It doesn't happen again. You know, his ability to communicate 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.960 with the rest of the defense, move people around, and 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.440 be confident doing it. Now. I know it's still rookies, 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.480 but it could be different again when he's looking at J. G. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.400 Watton and Chandler Jones, Buddha Baker. But again, I think 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.720 it was his maturity and the respect that he's going 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.160 to get from those guys. It's going to be an 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.720 easy transpo. Just listening you right there, that really bodes well. Absolutely, 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.480 And again they're still making a ton at him, but 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.600 just watching him out there again, I was I left 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.200 the first couple of practices to day and we will 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.880 get this was pretty good right now, so we're bad 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.040 about him, you know, and having him inside Call of 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.400 Defense with Isaiah next to him, and those are two 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.320 gigantic freaks in the middle of the field and two 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.920 incredible skill sets for a Mike and mow for us. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.160 I mean, they're giving him the green dot Zavin Collins. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.159 So you know what, that makes you feel a whole 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.840 lot better because if he was swimming from day one, 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.080 that already would give you a little trepidation. But to 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.520 hear that he's setting the front, he's making the adjustments, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:43.400 he's able to communicate with the guys around him. That's 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.039 really all you can glean from these workouts. But that's 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.479 enough to at least give you a little encouragement that 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.400 you know what he is going to be capable of 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.800 being the starter from day one. I don't know if 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.120 I could impart just how difficult this proposition is going 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.719 to be. I think for Zavin Collins going forward, Bully, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.840 it's just once again, when you think about it, you've 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.560 got a base defense. Imagine Polly, right now you've got 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.919 you've got this base defense, and now all of a sudden, 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.520 you've got adjustments based on personnel, group, based on formation. 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:13.880 You've got to make the right calls. You've got to 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.640 actually be playing the right defense and the right coverage. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:20.000 Of course, you've got this base defense with those adjustments. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.720 Now all of a sudden, you tailored those adjustments, Paul 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.200 against a certain opponent that you're playing. It's called a 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.560 game plan, Paully, So you're refining the base defense and 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.440 then those adjustments to fit your opponent. It is Paul, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.560 I mean it is. There's a lot of different dynamics 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.560 that go into actually understanding what it is that you 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.640 have to do and also being able to tell other 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.800 people what it is that they have to do. It 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.679 is a difficult proposition in front of Zaven Collins. But listen, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.280 I think the Arizona Cardinals, they've been very very clear 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.279 about this. This is gonna be trial by fire. They're 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.440 gonna let him go out there and experience this and 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.360 actually work through the process of becoming their mic linebacker 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.920 by doing as opposed to watching, and you know what, 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:11.760 you know, it's right there with him. And when I 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.800 had chanced to watch someone rookie Mini Camp a couple 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.360 of weeks ago, his position coach makes sense. Obviously. Linebackers 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.600 coach Bill Davis is out there a lot of times. 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.320 He would stop the drill, he'd jump in, he'd points 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.160 some fingers, he'd impart some knowledge and if he caught 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.320 Cardinals flight planned season four, episode two the other night, 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.560 well guess what Bill Davis was asked about his first 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.880 round linebackers Zavan Collins. I know, it's such a crapshoot. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.080 You have no idea how it's going to unfold. Was 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.240 I hoping he was there? Absolutely, And I was glad 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:43.080 he was. We're making a concerted effort to get intelligent 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.760 high football IQ players, and Zavan and Isaiah in the 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.400 middle joined all the inside backers. They're the quarterbacks to 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.040 our defense. Thank god we have the off season. Thank 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.240 god we're gonna have a rookie camp. Last year was 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.760 so hard on Isaiah. That was all the rookies. They 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.880 were robbed of those chances through to really absorb immense 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.120 amount of information. And I can tell right now of 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.120 all you know, he'll be a very quick learner, and 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.840 hopefully we have the reps on the field to where 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.960 that that actually goes even faster. There you go, Bill Davis, 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.880 your reaction to that. Wolf, I'm sure he saw Cardinals 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.800 flight plan. He's in there. He's breaking down Zamon Collins 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.680 on film what he saw at Tulsa. And he actually, 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.320 and you know what, you know this better than virtually 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.640 anyone he throw. He said, he's an old school linebacker 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.480 with his size, with new school athletic ability and speed. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.920 Because you tell me, Wolf, back in the day, you 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.480 used to go against some monsters at inside linebackers. Oh yeah, Oh, yeah, Paulie, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.200 And there's still pretty brutal. Dudes, They're still even today, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.080 they're still very, very difficult. Right now. I love this man. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.760 This is listen. This is going to be a work 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.199 in progress. It is with Zaven Collins, He's going to 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.800 have to go through some of the lumps here. But 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:59.080 the prospect of actually having Zaban Collins and Isaiah Simmons 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.600 out on the field at this same time, that length 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.880 and that athleticism and that physicality, I am hoping something 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.120 very very special is coming in front of the Red Sea. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.199 I think I'm hoping that something very special comes together 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.600 at some point. I don't know if it's gonna be 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.280 this season where we see Zaven Collins go out there 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.520 at his best. I don't know, but I do know 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.120 this right here. You have to know what to do 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.960 before you can do. Do you understand that, Polly. You 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.160 have to know what to do before you can do 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.200 and you have to know it with conviction. This is 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.280 something I can't wait to talk to Rob Frederickson about 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.600 in the next beautiful part of the program. You have 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.120 to know what to do before you can actually do it. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.080 And I think Zaven Collins is gone he's not going 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.200 to have any problems with the doing. I think he's 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.040 gonna be physical. I think he's gonna be athletic, he's 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.600 gonna be long, he's gonna make place. But he's got 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.679 to know what to do and then be able to 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.320 tell other people what to do as well. With that 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.560 green dot playing Mike linebacker in the box, Isaiah Simmons, 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.960 certainly hopefully we'll be able to help him do that. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.920 I think Booted Baker, I've talked to you about this before, 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.000 walking down in the box, being a box safety. I 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.760 think he will help Zavian Collins with a lot of 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.320 the calls as well. We'll have to wait and see, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.600 but you know, it's just I cannot wait to see 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.040 how this whole thing transpires. Well. In that film room, 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.040 Bill Davis said one of the first things he looks 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.960 for when he assesses any inside linebacker is the rate 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.920 at which he recognizes the play and then reacts and 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.480 then he goes from there. So that was his initial takeaway. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.599 Let's go back to Drew Grigson last week here on 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.160 The Big Red Rage, the Cardinals director of player Personnel, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.080 because his other big takeaway from rookie minicamp would happen 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.920 to be Rondale Moore, the second round receiver out of 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.760 Purdue ran the four two nine forty. But it goes 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.280 beyond that when it comes to his quickness, Grison, He's 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.360 gonna make this dynamic inside. He's arguably the best runifer 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.640 catch guy in this draft. It's a straight line, it's unbelievable. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.000 But this kid's ability to move a lad early, and 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.880 I mean he just gets teleports. He hasn't just changed directions. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:12.120 It's unbelievable to watch. He's a video game in real life. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.280 Every one of the defensive coaches say the other day, 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.320 this kid looks quick and slow motion. I just didn't 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.160 win that. I just I'm excited to see him for 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.840 seventeen games for US. I mean, I'm excited for the 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.079 preseason just to see Rondale Moore. Just get him a 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.520 ball in space and get out of the way once again, Bully. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.800 With Rondelmore, the key is going to be, I mean, 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.880 everything horizontal is something he does very very well. He 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.120 also has got to be a guy that can be 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.080 teams vertically, and that really is going to be the 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.640 challenge right there. If Rondel Moore can actually line up 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.680 and run by somebody. I've talked about this the entire 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.120 offseason since they've drafted him, But Paul, this is gonna 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.000 be huge, not only for the Arizona Cardinals, but specifically 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.760 for Ron Delmore. It's going to be important that he 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.760 beats people vertically down the field and catches the ball 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.160 and a defensive court. Nader says, man, I don't know 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.120 where that emmonium made is, but somebody passing to me, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:10.200 you need to scare the opponent vertically. And then when 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.559 that happens, man, all that horizontal goodness is gonna be there. Well, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.800 and when you give him that space, if you truly 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.720 can stretch the defense as the saying goes. In twenty 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.560 eighteen is one full season to college football with Purdue, 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.760 he forced thirty seven miss tackles, which was the most 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.680 by any receiver in a single season in college ball 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:34.520 since twenty fourteen. So and at a buck eighty five 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.800 and with those legs, you know he's gonna break an 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.160 arm tackle or two. And let's be honest, Andy Isabella 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.520 hasn't shown a lot of that. He doesn't have your 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.839 Cavs ball. We come back, Rob Frederickson is going to 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.760 join us here On the Big Red Rage presented by 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:54.240 santan Ford In Gilbert with the sixteenth pick, the Arizona 0:12:54.320 --> 0:13:00.959 Cardinals select Zaven showing I have a number twenty three 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.400 Davan Collins. Then, dude's an animals six three, two sixty linebacker, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.600 one of the best linebackers in all of college football. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:12.679 What I liked about him was everything size, football, acumen, instincts, coverability. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.800 This guy's got rare and unusual round skills for a 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.200 guy who's only six foot five, two hundred and sixty 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.480 five miles. I only dreamed of Arizona and being in 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.679 that organization, in that community, with everything there. It was 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.959 something that I've dreamed of. And well Collins preceded by 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.400 the GM Steve Kim, the draft pick and the guy 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.439 making the draft pick. That was from draft night talking 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.160 to the media. The Big Red Rage presented by santan 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.920 Ford Ian Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul calvc, Ron 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.800 Wolfley and soon to be joined by Rob Frederickson. Who 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.080 Wolf did you happen to catch? Made a cameo in 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.280 Cardinal's flight plan. I did Balley. I saw that there 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.960 was the war room scene where Steve Kim said, I've 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.800 got it right here on my phone. I told Vanson 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.080 only starter day one, big fast and smart. Put that 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.520 on camera, boys, and he winked at the camera talking 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.680 about Zavin Collins and what he texted Vance Joseph and 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.959 Bill Davis, the defensive coaching staff. But then there was 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.800 a text he received from our own Rob Frederickson, former 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.160 first round linebacker who joins us now in the Big 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:23.200 Red Rage and Rob, good evening, we don't have time 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.120 for the semantics. What exactly were you pinging the GM's 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:31.440 phone with on draft night? Hey, Paul, So you know 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.960 they made the pick, and I absolutely loved the pick. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.120 And I just texted Kim and I said, you know, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.680 we have a kind of a joking relationship. I just 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.520 joked him as a great pick. Must have been Michael's pick. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.080 Well you got a smile out of him. We saw 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.200 it right there on camera. Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.880 we're just joking around. And look, I don't care who 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.960 made the pick. That's that's a great pick. I think, 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.280 um just just looking at Zame Collins and what he 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.280 was able to do in college and I really think 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.040 his game will translate to the NFL. You know, all 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.720 I think of as playing the mic linebacker right there, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.840 not only one of the most physical positions in all 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.960 of professional football, but also just how mental it is 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.000 anytime you're playing inside the box, especially if you have 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.760 the green dot. How do you think all of that 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.680 is going to go? Rob, Well, you know, they'll obviously 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.280 be a learning curve. Wolf like you and I had it. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.120 Everyone has it when you when you go from college 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:37.160 and you know, a smaller school like Tulsa into the NFL. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.720 There's going to be some adjustments. There's going to be 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.240 a learning curve. But I think he's equipped just watching 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.840 what little film I have of him, I think he's 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.520 equipped to move right in from day one and be 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.400 an impact player. He just he has the instincts of 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.600 an inside linebacker and you really can't teach those, you know. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.000 And then we saw at times last year, especially early, 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.560 Isaiah Simmons really struggled with it, just the speed of 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.880 things that happened inside the box. And you know, obviously 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.040 Isaiah Simmons, he got better as the season progressed. But 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.920 I really think, yeah, I really think Xavin Collins will 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.640 come in from day one and be ready to roll. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.160 You know, it was apparent a couple of things last year, 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.200 and we saw Isaiah Simmons, especially the first month of 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.480 the season eight. He didn't play all of his snaps 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.480 in college ball at the inside linebacker spot. He split 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.040 his reps between four or five different positions, so he 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.920 maybe wasn't as experienced an inside linebacker, you know as 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.000 Zaven Collins. Obviously. Number two. One of my big takeaways 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.320 so far in the offseason is when they asked Staven 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.240 Collins about trying to digest the playbook and getting out 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.560 there during rookie minicamp, and he paused and he said, 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.800 I couldn't imagine doing this without having that rookie manning 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.000 camp doing this virtually, and that was the challenge Isaiah 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.560 Simmons faced a year ago. At the same time, this 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.160 isn't a situation where Daryl Washington comes in and he 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.280 has Carlos dan be next to him mentoring him right 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.520 and telling him where the rook where to be. So 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.560 what is the degree of difficulty to be a starter 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.600 from day one at that position and being asked to 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.560 call the defense rob well, just you know, again not 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.439 ever having met Zavan Collins, but just seeing some of 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.920 his interviews and hearing him, he sounds like a guy 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.119 that that will command a huddle. He really does. He 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.560 sounds like a guy from day one to me that 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.960 that will come in there and get the call, make 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.680 the call, and get everybody lined up. You know, he's 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.640 also got some some veteran leadership, not at the position, 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.840 but he's got some veterans, you know, JJ Watt and 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.000 getting Chandler Jones back, Buddha Baker. You know, there's some 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.720 really strong leaders on that defense that I think will 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.080 will buoy him and and really bring Zavian Collins along. 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.720 Rob if you could talk to us about having two 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:59.680 inside linebackers that are three down backers, two inside linebackers 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:01.960 that are never going to come off the field. Why 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.840 is that such an advantage? Why do we see this 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.800 the commonality of this actually occurring with a Luke Keakley 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.480 and a Thomas Davis for the Carolina Panthers. I think 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:16.600 of Navarro Bowman and Patrick Willis the great San Francisco 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.320 forty nine or defenses. Why, in your opinion is it 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.720 so important those two inside linebackers never come off the field. Well, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.560 I think it's it's important to be number one, because 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.360 they get into a flow. You know, you get into 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.760 a flow of a game and you don't You don't 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.560 want to be coming off for one or two snaps 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.360 and then going back in as a linebacker. You want 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.480 to be out there the entire time. And I think 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:43.040 with these guys, especially Isaiah Simmons, the versatility that he has, 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.440 it doesn't matter what personnel group the offense has out there. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.280 Isaiah Simmons, we can put him out on a slab receiver, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.879 we can drop him back, if we saw it last year, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.760 drop him back to play a deep safety. So there's 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.800 really some some things that you know, this defense can 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.760 do with these guys Zamn Collins and Isaiah Simmons that 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.840 are so versatile they don't need to come off the field. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.680 It's one of the reasons why I love it. I'm 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.000 so fired up about it, Rob is just the fact 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:17.120 that for me down in distance and personnel groups, as 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.359 you well know now, all of a sudden, it doesn't 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.359 matter if you're an eleven personnel, You're not going to 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.320 take those two guys off the field. You're not gonna 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.960 do it. It doesn't matter if you're in twelve personnel. 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.479 Those two guys are still gonna be there. You can 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.679 run personnel groups out there, especially in rundown situation, you 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.840 can do it. And you know how offenses rob love 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.560 to actually disguise the play they're gonna run based on 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:44.000 personnel groups and formations as well. If you've experienced it, 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.960 if you've been out there playing this game, you've seen 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.080 it all typically by the fourth quarter. Now again, do 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.439 you make adjustments. Of course, teams always make adjustments, always 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.639 on the fly. But I think seeing it and getting 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.680 that repetition and experience, it's one of the reasons why 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.560 the best defenses in the National Football League have those 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.399 two inside linebackers. I absolutely love it. So yeah, and 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.240 I think these two, you know, it's gonna take some 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.040 time and there's gonna be a learning curve for both 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.560 of them. Isaiah Simmons is still learning as he goes, 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.879 but I think these two. Number one, we got faster 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.159 at the position. That's number one, and that's everything in 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:24.600 the NFL. That is everything. You can't make a tackle 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.280 if you can't get there, and these two they move 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.200 around out there and that and that's gonna be fun 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.199 to watch. That's number one and number two. You know, 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:37.439 they I just think, I just think they're gonna absorb 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.080 so much. And Paul, you hit the nail on the 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.840 head with the benefit of these OTAs and these rookie 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.440 mini camps. Isaiah Simmons didn't have that, so he's going 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:48.800 through it the first time. It's the same as Zavan 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.680 Collins and the rest of these rookies. So these guys 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.320 are going to absorb so much in this offseason and hopefully, 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:57.840 you know, take it over to the field once the 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.640 season starts. Until last year, you for hearing me say 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.600 the words, thank goodness for the preseason, But you know 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.200 what with these two guys in particular, especially when you're 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.040 asking them to be starters from day one and be 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.640 every down linebackers. As Wolf says, Rob listened to Drew 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.040 Grigson last week here on The Big Red Rage, Cardinals 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.080 director of player Personnel, and I think Wolf asked him, 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.120 when did you know Zaban Collins would be the Cardinals guy? 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.960 When we interviewed Zaven over Zoom and he, you know, 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.640 he pressed the leave button, we all looked at each 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.600 other in the room like, oh boy, Like it's almost 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.360 like we knew that that was a guy that this 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.320