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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The Alexander Brothers, so called New Diddies, found guilty of

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Speaker 2: sex trafficking charges That could see the so called playboy brothers.

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Speaker 2: I call them rapists and sex traffickers. Others in the

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Speaker 2: media call them the playboy brothers. That's total bs. Could

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Speaker 2: see them behind bars for life where they belong. You

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Speaker 2: can get twenty to life for rape. How about multiple

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Speaker 2: rapes plus drugging the women. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I think about my daughter who is eighteen about to

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Speaker 2: go off to college. Some of these victims were very,

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Speaker 2: very young. And let me tell you, having dealt with

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Speaker 2: the rape victims my entire prosecutorial career, they're never the same. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they go on seem resilient, but it's never the same.

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Speaker 2: I know from being a victim of violent crime. You

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Speaker 2: go on, but you're never the same. It has changed

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Speaker 2: the way I see the world. It has changed the

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Speaker 2: course of my life, trajectory, everything, It changed the way

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Speaker 2: I raised my children, just everything. And it does the

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Speaker 2: same thing for these victims too. The Alexander Brothers, three

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Speaker 2: so called high flying multimillionaire siblings, I mean really now,

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Speaker 2: guilty of using all that money, all that prestige to

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Speaker 2: drug and rape multiple women. Tao Age thirty nine and

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Speaker 2: the twins or an A Lawn Alexander thirty eight, all

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Speaker 2: convicted ten counts by a jury of six men, six

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Speaker 2: women in federal court. Now, see this was tried in

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Speaker 2: federal court. So don't tell me certain cases cannot be

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Speaker 2: handled by the fenes, because they can, as in Sean

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Speaker 2: Puffy Combe's case. That case Diddy was tried in federal court.

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Speaker 2: I won't be happy until I see Ellen Greenberg her

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Speaker 2: murder tried in federal court. That said, let's stick with

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Speaker 2: the so called new didties. What was the case all about?

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Speaker 1: A trio of brothers, luxury real estate agents to the

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Speaker 1: super rich, indicted on federal sex trafficking and battery charges.

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Speaker 3: Claims go back more than.

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Speaker 2: A decade, claims going back more than a decade. Try

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Speaker 2: two decades. Now, forty women that we know h the

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Speaker 2: claiming these filth the rich real estate moguls took part

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Speaker 2: in rape after rape after systematic rape, and that the

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Speaker 2: allegations go back to when they were in high school.

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Speaker 2: All that money, all that privilege and education has bought

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Speaker 2: them a one way ticket to hell with a pitstop

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Speaker 2: and the federal penitentiary.

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Speaker 1: That's my prediction.

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Speaker 2: But I want you to hear what Damian Williams, the

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Speaker 2: US attorney, has to say.

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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips with,

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Speaker 4: paid for the flights or accommodations for the women on

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Speaker 4: these trips, and at times the defendants hand picked the

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Speaker 4: women to invite. At other times they used paid party

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Speaker 4: promoters to source women for them. The indictment also alleges

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Speaker 4: that in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers and

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Speaker 4: others procured drugs that they agreed to provide to the women,

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Speaker 4: including cocaine, mushrooms, and ghb as. We allege that these

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Speaker 4: drugs caused some of the women to be physically unable

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Speaker 4: to fight back or to escape.

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Speaker 2: Now you know why they're calling it the new didty

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Speaker 2: or should I say the new ditties. Now that's what

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Speaker 2: the US attorney is saying for the US attorney for

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Speaker 2: the Southern District.

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Speaker 1: But I want you to look at Orrin Alexander on

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Speaker 1: the having the ability to work with my brothers, have

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Speaker 1: a partner with your brother.

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Speaker 5: Now, just think about that for a second.

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Speaker 1: It's the biggest issue you have in partnership is the

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Speaker 1: trust and knowing that you don't have to worry. Honey,

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Speaker 1: you got something to worry about.

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Speaker 2: Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies

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Speaker 2: against you.

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Speaker 1: Let's just analyze what we just heard. And that's where

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Speaker 1: our friends.

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Speaker 2: That from the founder on YouTube, that's or in Alexander

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Speaker 2: one of the and I mean filed the rich rolling

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Speaker 2: in money, that's or an Alexander quote. Having the ability

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Speaker 2: your brother, you know, just think about that for a second.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry. I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and

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Speaker 2: knowing you don't have to worry. Okay, what happened with me?

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Speaker 2: An All Star panel, Let's get to it straight out

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Speaker 2: to Christina Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel.

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Speaker 1: Christina, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I'm really curious about how much money these two have.

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Speaker 1: And this goes all the way back.

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Speaker 2: Their family is wealthy, their grandfather wealthy, blah blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: kind of like Luigi Manngioni just all that money to

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Speaker 6: You know, actually I think it started way back when

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Speaker 6: to come out and say that they actually had a

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Speaker 6: sex fan that was parked in front of their parents

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Speaker 6: forty million dollar beachfront of state where the boys, the

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Speaker 6: brothers in high school, would take women to have sex

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Speaker 6: in that bus in front of their parents' house.

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Speaker 1: So this has been.

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Speaker 6: Behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps by their parents, all

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Speaker 6: the way through. Then you add the hundreds of millions

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Speaker 6: of dollars in properties that these brothers have sold in

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Speaker 6: doing anything that they want, including, according to prosecute, drugging

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Speaker 6: at least ten rapes, ten forcible rapes by women, and

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Speaker 1: That, hey, hey, Christina, Christina.

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Speaker 2: Ohio, hold on, wait a minute, we were just looking

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Speaker 2: at them. Karen Stark, why is it so hard for

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Speaker 2: people to believe that super wealthy, college educated, great job

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Speaker 1: That's what he posted on his own Facebook Go ahead.

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Speaker 7: Well, I really believe Nancy, and people see this outward

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Speaker 7: of parents. They're dressed so well, they look so terrific

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Speaker 7: that they buy that that they believe that that's what

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Speaker 7: they really like, and they have no idea what's going

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Speaker 7: on behind the scene. And actually the fact that he

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Speaker 7: says he trusts his brother, I was thinking, yeah, they trust.

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Speaker 7: All of them trust each other in supporting the crimes

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Speaker 7: that they committed, which made it even worse because they

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Speaker 2: Nima Ramani is joining US high profile lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: the California jurisdiction and for my purposes former federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: president of the West Coast Trial Lawyers and author of

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Speaker 2: Harvard to hashtag.

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Speaker 1: Nina, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Many people not familiar with our world of crime would say, hey,

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Speaker 2: why do they have to rape women? With good looks?

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Speaker 2: Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they

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Speaker 2: look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all

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Speaker 2: that money, they could get any woman they want, So

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Speaker 2: why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually

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Speaker 2: worked on juryis before Nima.

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Speaker 3: It has. But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about drug induced to orgies right where multiple men,

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Speaker 3: including the two brothers, are allegedly having sex with the

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Speaker 3: with a handsome, wealthy man, but not get in a

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Speaker 3: situation where they're having an orgy and they are being

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Speaker 3: violated by multiple men.

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Speaker 2: Your speaking sense to me, Yes, I know that. That's

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Speaker 2: my point, Nama, I'm like two steps beyond that. Of course,

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Speaker 2: what you just said is right. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 2: it would be argued to a jury.

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Speaker 1: Just look at them.

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Speaker 2: Why would they have to source women with a pr

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Speaker 2: person in other words, basically pimp pimp for the brothers

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Speaker 2: because they could get any woman they want. Therefore, ergo

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Speaker 2: they're innocent.

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Speaker 3: It's not just any woman, Nancy. They need new women

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Speaker 3: every single night, and they want to do things to

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Speaker 3: these women that a lot of women wouldn't consent to. Now,

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Speaker 3: obviously this is a family show, so I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to get into all that. But that's why they're using

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Speaker 8: That's what this is all about.

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Speaker 3: And the tailor's old as time doesn't matter if it's

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Speaker 3: the Alexander brothers Diddy, I can say.

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Speaker 2: That I'm clearly I think you and I have a

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Speaker 2: communication problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.

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Speaker 2: I'm Linn Shaw helped me out here, founder executive director

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Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex attacks on children and women.

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Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make the point that the argument will

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Speaker 2: be made by the defense. I already know the facts

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Speaker 2: is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani just said,

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Speaker 2: I get it. I've read the indictment. Okay, the defense

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Speaker 2: is going to argue at trial they don't need to

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Speaker 2: rape women. They can get any woman they want. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: this is consensual. That's bs It's argued in so many

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Speaker 2: rape cases.

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Speaker 9: I call them the Alexander Brothers crime family, and I

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Speaker 9: call these dirty Ditty complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are

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Speaker 9: so big they're out of control. Again, this is the

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Speaker 9: same story we heard Ditty and others facing charges like this,

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Speaker 9: that so many vulnerable girls and women. I'm gonna throw

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Speaker 9: in the girls again. I wish we could get down

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Speaker 9: to were there any miners involved, But that will unfold

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Speaker 9: at some point. They want to see and live this lifestyle.

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Speaker 9: Many of these women were approached online complete strangers, and

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Speaker 9: they said, we'll fly you out, We'll give you hotels,

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Speaker 9: we'll give you parties, we'll give you clothes. And vulnerable people,

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Speaker 9: girls especially, really want to experience this. I'm here to

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Speaker 9: say if this case can help us educate the general public,

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Speaker 9: because we're hearing about all these you know, dirty ditty

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Speaker 9: We're hearing about Tape brothers, We're hearing about Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 9: we're hearing about now these criminal Alexander brothers. If it could,

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Speaker 9: if it could water down eventually, my hope is to

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Speaker 9: those victims, see those victims, so we can educate everybody.

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Speaker 9: When they offer you something like this, this lifestyle for free,

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Speaker 9: they're gonna fly you somewhere run.

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Speaker 1: In the other direction.

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Speaker 9: This is again their powers, their money, their egos, their homes,

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Speaker 9: overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better educating

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Speaker 9: the public, girls and women about all of this.

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Speaker 2: Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: Christina Whyo joining me from Salemw's channel over one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifteen million dollars.

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Speaker 6: The parents have offered to put up to one billion

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Speaker 6: on bail. They've even offered to put them up in

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Speaker 6: a second story apartment complex where they're jail time pre trial,

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Speaker 6: that has no beachfront, that has no luxury. That's you know,

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Speaker 6: guarded twenty four to seven of my guard way.

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Speaker 2: W wha wha waite white white Christina. Wait, did you

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Speaker 2: say the parents want to get them out of jail,

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Speaker 2: want a billion as in brother Bee brother billion dollar bill.

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Speaker 1: And the.

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Speaker 2: Jail is because they don't have a beach, they.

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Speaker 6: Won't have a water view, they won't have any orgies,

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Speaker 6: and it won't be luxuries. So that's what they're considering

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Speaker 6: to be jail. And yes, up to one billion with

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Speaker 6: get their three sons out of prison.

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Speaker 2: Bill Day, it's the ditties, it's the new ditties because

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Speaker 2: all the money procuring the women, making other people be

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Speaker 2: your hench person to bring women to you, to drug

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Speaker 2: but also is Luigi Minngioni all over again. Here is

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Speaker 1: These two same thing. Bill.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and in this case, they've actually built their business,

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Speaker 8: They now feel omnipotent.

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Speaker 10: I mean they have money, they're traveling with celebrities, they're

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Speaker 8: You know, they're selling these huge, multi multimillion dollar properties.

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Speaker 10: They are getting headlines in all kinds of media, including

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Speaker 8: So you know, these are the paper people.

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Speaker 10: If I put a profile around them, not an FBI profile,

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Speaker 8: To control things.

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Speaker 10: So they like to be able to control everything, whether

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Speaker 2: Guess what I got a superseding indictment. I bet that's

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Speaker 2: FEDS have a superseding indictment, this is for conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: That means, hey, we have one go at you, but

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Speaker 2: We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with

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Speaker 2: so exactly.

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Speaker 1: Who are the so called real estate Bros.

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Speaker 5: There are three Alexander brothers. Two of the brothers are

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the multi millionaire real estate

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Speaker 2: Bros aka the New Diddies. The Alexander brothers tal Orn

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Speaker 2: and Alawn Alexander, all convicted on all ten counts of

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Speaker 2: What do we know about claims they drugged and raped

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Speaker 11: In a fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the

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Speaker 11: Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display

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Speaker 1: What am I hearing? Wait a minute?

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Speaker 2: A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the real

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Speaker 1: Dripping hot wax on her. Deja vu. Huh does this

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Speaker 2: Hi diddy, there, you are nothing like eating sushi off

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like an echo chamber in here. Well,

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Speaker 2: Listen to the US Attorney for the Southern District Omne York.

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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with each other,

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Speaker 4: As the endictment alleges that Alexander brothers sex trafficking agreement

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Speaker 1: These assaults allegedly.

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Speaker 4: Had many of the same hallmarks as the rapes that

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Speaker 1: It's really a lot to take in.

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Speaker 2: You know, very often as a former prosecutor prosecuting nothing

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Speaker 2: rape and sodomize them and a party in a party

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Speaker 2: I realized, about five years into that kind of thinking,

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Speaker 2: why ask why?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I had one job to seek the truth.

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Speaker 1: Who did, what, where, when? And why? Why not?

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Speaker 2: So much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen,

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Speaker 2: it's not about sex.

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Speaker 1: That's a simple answer for me.

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Speaker 2: Why don't the real estate bros with all their money

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Speaker 2: and all their high rises just go date somebody and

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Speaker 2: have a sex life.

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Speaker 1: It's not about the sex. What is it?

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Speaker 8: It's a perversion, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: They're getting off on raping, satemizing a normal relationship, the

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Speaker 8: Nothing else.

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Speaker 2: Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. These wild, extravagant

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Speaker 1: Were not parties at all.

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Speaker 2: They were just a russ to find sex assault victims

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Speaker 2: for the New Ditties.

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Speaker 5: Listen, the fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been

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Speaker 5: Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible

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Speaker 5: Alan are charged with sexual battery in Florida. The Alexanders

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Speaker 2: Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to

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Speaker 2: say deja vu all over again? Why the real estate

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Speaker 2: bros Are called the New Didties? Same thing now they

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Speaker 2: called it fabulous parties.

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Speaker 1: Ditty calls it Freakoffs.

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Speaker 4: Holmes allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he

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Speaker 2: To Christina Awayo, joining US investigative reporter and news anchor,

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Speaker 2: the comparison between the real estate Bros And Diddy are inescapable.

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Speaker 1: They are.

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Speaker 6: They both are basically using their power and influence to

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Speaker 6: described as being very aggressive, very bullish, very attack of

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Speaker 6: certain events. And I think the same is true for

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, the so called New Ditties.

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Speaker 2: The Alexander Bros. Five week trial featured eleven accusers. They

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Speaker 2: Iw It's like the Alexander Bros. Would go hunting for victims.

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Speaker 2: Horrific rape diaries kind of like blogs were discovered where

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Speaker 2: What do we know about the claims?

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Speaker 12: First witness in the sex trafficking trial involving three brothers,

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Speaker 12: two of whom our prominent real estate brokers, recounted her

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Speaker 12: harrowing experience on Tuesday. The excitement of attending a party

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Speaker 12: at actor Zach Ephron's apartment swiftly turned into a nightmare

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Speaker 12: The witness explained that she was just twenty years old

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Speaker 12: After the game, she attended an after party at a

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Speaker 12: rated movie, and emphasizing the prosecution's portrayal of the brothers

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Speaker 12: as quote monsters. In a courtroom sketch, the three brothers,

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Speaker 12: A lawn Or and Tal Alexander were seen in Manhattan

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Speaker 12: Federal Court on the opening day of trial January twenty seven.

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Speaker 12: Tal and Or and Alexander specialized in high end real

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Speaker 12: estate in cities like Miami, New York, and LA while

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Speaker 12: their brother Alan earned a law degree and managed the

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Speaker 12: family's private security business. Tall is thirty nine. The twins

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Speaker 12: Alan in Oran are thirty eight. The indictment claims the

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Speaker 12: men conspired to lure women to vacation spots like the

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Speaker 12: Hamptons by offering flights and luxurious accommodations. Since their arrest

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Speaker 12: in Miami in December of twenty twenty four, the brothers

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Speaker 12: have been held without bail. During her testimony on Tuesday,

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Speaker 12: the first witness described how she escaped the room where

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Speaker 12: Alan Alexander had attacked her after he fell asleep. Despite

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Speaker 12: the emotional weight of her testimony, she maintained her composure

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Speaker 12: for the most part, though she became visibly upset at times,

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Speaker 12: particularly when she reflected on reaching out to a friend

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Speaker 12: years later after the incident to remind herself that she

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Speaker 12: was still love.

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Speaker 13: This week, an FBI special agent presented jurors with detailed

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Speaker 13: charts showing years of emails and text messages. Prosecutors argue

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Speaker 13: reveal patterns of coordination and planning among the brothers dating

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Speaker 13: back to two thousand and nine. One accuser, identified in

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Speaker 13: court as Victim twenty, testified that she met or An

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Speaker 13: Alexander during a ski trip in Aspen and soon became

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Speaker 13: heavily intoxicated after drinking champagne with him and his brother Tall.

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Speaker 13: She told jurors that she regained partial awareness to find

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Speaker 13: Orin on top of her, and then she felt confused, sore,

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Speaker 13: and humiliated. The next day, she also testified she later

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Speaker 13: learned that she had contracted chlamydia from Orin. Defense attorneys, however,

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Speaker 13: have aggressively challenged the credibility of accusers, pointing to flirtatious messages,

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Speaker 13: gaps in memory, and continued contact with the brothers after

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Speaker 13: the alleged assaults. The defense has argued these interactions were consensual,

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Speaker 13: while highlighting inconsistencies in witness testimony.

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Speaker 2: The Alexander brothers are so called real estate bros rolling

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Speaker 2: in money, also called the new Deities. All of their

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Speaker 2: trouble started, well, it really started all the way back

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Speaker 2: in high school when they're accused of such assaulting women

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Speaker 2: all the way back then. But the current day problems

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Speaker 2: i EI. Their rape charges all started when one woman

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Speaker 2: spoke out. According to prosecutors, the rapes and sex assaults

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Speaker 2: have been going on for years and years and years

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Speaker 2: until this woman spoke out.

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Speaker 5: Listen, the Alexander brothers fall from grace begins when the

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Speaker 5: Real Deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims

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Speaker 5: Kay Wyman and Rebecca Mandel. Wyman alleges the brothers abducted

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Speaker 5: her in twenty twelve and brought her to a Hampton's

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Speaker 5: party palace in Watermill, Long Island, where the brothers allegedly

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Speaker 5: dragged her into a large bedroom where she was sexually assaulted, abused, raped, pinned, groped, harassed,

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Speaker 5: battered and fondled by a lawn and or in Alexander.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing?

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Speaker 2: Linn saw joining us from Wynn's Warriors, how it only

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Speaker 2: takes one person, one person to stand up, be counted,

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Speaker 2: one person to speak out, even though they may be

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Speaker 2: afraid for the whole house of cards to fall down.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will

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Speaker 9: give you safety, we will give you guardrails, we will

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Speaker 9: stand next to you. That is what I'm hoping all

497
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Speaker 9: of these dirty ditties and this Alexander Brothers crime family

498
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Speaker 9: will bring more public awareness again watering down to you know,

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Speaker 9: maybe that team that lives in the Bronx or something

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Speaker 9: like that, that they can come forward. We will take

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Speaker 9: care of them. But I want to point something out.

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Speaker 9: There is so much video evidence here, and I want

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Speaker 9: to go back to what happened with all those videos

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Speaker 9: where they upload it to porn sites?

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Speaker 1: Was there millions of dollars? Because we do a lot

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Speaker 1: of work with this.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly right

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Speaker 2: straight out to Christina at Yo joining US news anchor

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Speaker 2: and investigative reporter. What are these so called trophies of

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Speaker 2: the real estate bros That has just have just been revealed.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, it's one thing to have a testimony, right,

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Speaker 6: but it's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence,

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Speaker 6: as we just saw with the Cassie and Diddy situation.

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Speaker 6: Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they

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Speaker 6: found a hard drive filled with pictures and videos. They're

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Speaker 6: saying in these videos, of course, there's the quote unquote

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Speaker 6: orgys or the sessions where alleged rape is happening. They

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Speaker 6: are saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on

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Speaker 6: alcohol or maybe even drug. They're saying they're seeing in

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Speaker 6: these videos where the brothers are physically manipulating these women's

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Speaker 6: bodies to have sex with them, and most of the

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Speaker 6: time they're saying, these women do not know they're being recorded.

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Speaker 6: There's this one incident that they explain that a woman

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Speaker 6: and a man are having sex in a stall and

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Speaker 6: another person is recording over the stall with the camera,

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Speaker 6: and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no.

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Speaker 6: So it's going to be pretty difficult. For whatever reason

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Speaker 6: they kept these videos or they have these videos, it's

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Speaker 6: going to be difficult to defend this in court.

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Speaker 2: Christina, you study that one of the videos was taken

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Speaker 2: over a stall.

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Speaker 6: What yep, So a man and a woman were having sex.

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Speaker 6: It didn't detail if that was forced rape, It didn't

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Speaker 6: detail what that was exactly. But there is a third

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Speaker 6: person who is holding a video camera up over the

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Speaker 6: bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside of

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Speaker 6: that stall having sex, and the woman sees the camera.

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Speaker 6: She tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And

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Speaker 6: that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.

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Speaker 6: They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the

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Speaker 6: women are asking them to stop.

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Speaker 2: Trophies trophies to Nima Romani, joining US former federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: president of West Coast Trial Warriors author of Harvard to

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Speaker 2: Hashtag's Nima trophies.

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Speaker 1: Have been the undoing of so many criminals, explain.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's great evidence if you're a prosecutor, because people

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Speaker 3: can lie. Criminal in fendans lay all the time, even

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Speaker 3: witnesses and victims can sometimes lie.

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Speaker 1: But video doesn't lie.

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Speaker 3: And when you have video of these sex acts, that

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Speaker 3: is the best evidence when you're a prosecutor, because really

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Speaker 3: there's only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either

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Speaker 3: the sexual activity didn't happen or it was consensual. That's it.

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Speaker 3: And once you have that video, it certainly takes away

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Speaker 3: the first defense, and then when women are being drugg

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Speaker 3: takes away the second as well. And there's really two

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Speaker 3: reasons why people record these sex sects. The first is

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Speaker 3: their own deviant sexual pleasure, and I think that's probably

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Speaker 3: why Diddy was recording his freak offs. But there's the

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Speaker 3: second reason, and that is to have control over the victims,

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Speaker 3: potentially blackmail them and say, hey, if you come after me,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to leak these videos.

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Speaker 2: Christina Ryo, isn't it true that these videos were pulled

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Speaker 2: off of a hard drive that was found hidden in

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Speaker 2: a closet during a federal search.

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Speaker 6: Yes, in tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, so they were really searching.

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Speaker 6: They had the warrant to go through everything, and he

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Speaker 6: kept them. He kept them on a hard drive. And

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Speaker 6: it's not just videos, it's pictures as well. And it

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Speaker 6: goes to show that just like he said, men light

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Speaker 6: women light witnesses lie. Perhaps, but the video is not

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Speaker 6: going to lie. And this is pretty tough evidence. However,

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Speaker 6: the defense is already saying that this doesn't prove anything.

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Speaker 6: This doesn't prove a commercial act, This doesn't prove that

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Speaker 6: they were drugged. It may prove that they're intoxicated. But

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Speaker 6: he's saying, oh, these are just big orgies. Everybody was

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Speaker 6: willing and there is nothing going on here, So next story, please,

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me.

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Speaker 2: In the last few days, Shawn Comes aka Diddi's defense

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Speaker 2: team has stated they want the free coll videos to

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Speaker 2: be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,

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Speaker 2: you know another thing. If it's so innocent, why was

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Speaker 2: it hidden in a closet. But thinking about the videos,

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Speaker 2: the trophies pulled from a hard drive in the real

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Speaker 2: estate bro's closet, It reminds me of a certain raid

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Speaker 2: that went down on Sawn Combs's mansion. In that case,

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Speaker 2: as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote trophies.

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Speaker 1: Were obtained during that ray.

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Speaker 2: Bial Daily video equipment was reportedly discovered, along with over

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Speaker 2: a thousand bottles of lubricant baby oil.

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Speaker 1: Trophies have been the bane of many criminals existence.

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Speaker 14: Why trophies well, you know, and as if you go

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Speaker 14: to other kind of repeat offenders, repeat criminals such as

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Speaker 14: Dennis Raider, the buying torture kill fiend, you know, they either.

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Speaker 10: Keep pieces of clothing, they keep some something to remind

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Speaker 10: them something.

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Speaker 8: Who's going to get them excited, Something's going to.

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Speaker 10: You know, make them remember how how wonderful it was

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Speaker 10: that they controlled this person, that they did what they did.

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Speaker 8: And so for all these things, it's some way.

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Speaker 1: Are you putting perfume on the pig daily? That's not

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Speaker 1: like you.

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Speaker 2: The souvenirs, the trophies quote get them excited, you mean,

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Speaker 2: give them an erection.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know that as well as sharing among other

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Speaker 10: people being able to in some cases they like to

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Speaker 10: share it because they've had this experience of other people.

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Speaker 8: They keep it.

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Speaker 10: They look at themselves, you know, maybe other people. They

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Speaker 10: let them see that. That all kind of gives them

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Speaker 10: a sense of control. It goes back to that essence

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Speaker 10: of controlling individuals, controlling their environment, doing what they want

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Speaker 10: to do, using that leverage over people.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 10: In this case, Nancy, in a very interesting point it

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Speaker 10: came up, which is simply what we've seen in other cases,

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Speaker 10: is that as the FBI is investigating this, reports are

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Speaker 10: coming out that multiple victims have the same stories. Again,

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Speaker 10: people who've been not connected, not there at the same place,

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Speaker 10: same time, but have the same.

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Speaker 8: Story to tell.

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Speaker 10: All of that is extreming and as part of what

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Speaker 10: I believe the FBI is and the US the Attorney's

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Speaker 10: Office is making their case out of is that they

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Speaker 10: have statements and I would encourage people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very curious, Bill Daily. I think this goes

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Speaker 1: beyond your or my kin.

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Speaker 2: Colloquial for understanding joining me psychologist Karen Stark.

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Speaker 1: Everything Bill Daily said is correct, But what.

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Speaker 2: Is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason that

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Speaker 2: people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the real

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Speaker 2: estate bros also called the rape bros.

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Speaker 1: But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos

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Speaker 1: they're damning.

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Speaker 7: It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.

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Speaker 7: Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,

638
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Speaker 7: whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms.

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Speaker 7: They can do that all over again repeatedly because they

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Speaker 7: have these trophies. It's great if it's a video, but

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Speaker 7: it can be an airing. It could be a necklace,

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Speaker 7: it could be a piece of clothing. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 7: They wind up reliving the excitement that they felt at

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Speaker 7: the time and how much they controlled the situation.

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Speaker 2: The new didties. The three Alexander Bros. The real estate Bros.

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Speaker 2: Pled not guilty, and the defense did their best to

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Speaker 2: kind of paint their behavior as morally disgusting but not criminal. Okay,

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Speaker 2: But that defense was blown wide open by a torpedo

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Speaker 2: with a resounding jury rate of guilty on all accounts.

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Speaker 2: What was the evidence the jury heard?

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Speaker 1: For years?

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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and

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Speaker 4: international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To

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Speaker 4: recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they

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Speaker 4: provided material benefits things they travel to, vacation destinations, luxury,

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00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: accommodations and access to other high end experiences.

657
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: Are the claims true? Should I believe the real estate Bros?

658
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: Or should I believe.

659
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: All of the women now coming forward, some of them

660
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits.

661
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: What's very hard.

662
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: For many people to understand, including myself, is how the

663
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: real estate bros. Acted, how they faked a happy home life.

664
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 5: Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. A Lawn

665
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 5: married Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in

666
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 5: May of twenty twenty. Or In married model Camilla Hanson

667
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: in April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel CogAT

668
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 5: in October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with

669
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: a judge to let him out as his wife was

670
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: pregnant and do any day. His request was denied.

671
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: That's something the baby can say as it grows up.

672
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: Dad was in jail on rape charges when I was born.

673
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy

674
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: REDIU listen, be happy.

675
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 8: I love you.

676
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Two of you.

677
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 8: Get here on the phone.

678
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Time to Veterman.

679
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Try, a lawyer of former felony prosecute Nima Romani Nima.

680
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: It would not.

681
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: Be the first time a so called family man was

682
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: ultimately convicted of repeat offenses.

683
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: I mean, there's Dennis.

684
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: Raider that Bill Dealey brought up earlier, who would sex

685
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: assault and kill so many women and including young girls

686
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: on his dog catching route the whole time. He had

687
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: a family at home, and he was a deacon in

688
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: the church. Then you've got Gaysey John Wayne Gacy, who

689
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: would go to children's birthday parties to entertain the children

690
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: dressed as a clown.

691
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how many.

692
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: Boys' bodies were pulled out of his crawl space. Then

693
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful law

694
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: school student.

695
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: He's a serial killer.

696
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: He goes on and on, and do I have to say,

697
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: Rex Huerman, the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room,

698
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: the architect by day, serial killer by night, with a

699
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: wife and two.

700
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: Children, Nancy and Human.

701
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: His wife actually saw some of these sex acts, at

702
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: least allegedly, So this question of what she knew, Well,

703
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: this is criminal defense.

704
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 8: Lawyering one oh one.

705
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: They want to show the jurors that the defendant has

706
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: family support. That's why you see Ditty's family at every

707
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: single appearance. That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers

708
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: to have their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce

709
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: to be at those court proceedings, because that's what jurors expect.

710
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: They want to see the family members supporting the folks

711
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 3: who are accused and are on trap.

712
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: And like Didty, the new Ditties have.

713
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: A fantastical scheme of how they're going to stay out

714
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: of MDC Metropolitan Detention Center listen.

715
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 5: In a crazy bid to keep their boys out of incarceration,

716
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 5: the parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide

717
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 5: private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and

718
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 5: Early Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom

719
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 5: apartment on the eighth floor of Miami Bill, emphasizing the

720
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 5: apartment is non waterfront and non luxury. They promised security

721
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: guards would be stationed around the clock and an alarm

722
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 5: system would make sure the brothers remain on site. The

723
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 5: parents also offered to put up to one billion dollars

724
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 5: bail for their sons to get out of jail.

725
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: In case you.

726
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: Didn't get that, it's one billion, as in brother Biez

727
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: in brother, not million billion, the parents offering to put

728
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: up one billion dollars cash to get their sons out

729
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: of jail.

730
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: Maybe they were going to put in some equity into that, but.

731
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: One billion dollars bail to get their sons out and

732
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: having them imprisoned.

733
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Speaker 1: In a Miami high rise.

734
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: And the suffering part was that they wouldn't get a

735
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: beach front view ouch. That has to hurt. How dare

736
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: you mommy and daddy Christina? Yo, it's reminiss sent of

737
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: the last bid, well, the last three bids by Sean

738
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: Combs to get out on bid where he offered the

739
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: judge a multimillion dollar bill package. I think it was

740
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: twenty meal and he would stay in a Manhattan town

741
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: home with his own private security guards to keep him

742
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 2: from raping people. Eerie echo, right, And that's the draw,

743
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: right exactly.

744
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 6: I promised not to rape anybody during this time. I

745
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 6: promised that I'm not going to have any orgies. In fact,

746
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 6: I won't even have any women over so that in

747
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 6: and of itself is a huge punishment. This is the

748
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 6: same thing that we're seeing with these brothers, and quite frankly,

749
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 6: I don't know how much the parents can be trusted

750
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 6: in this whole situation because we talk about pretending to

751
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 6: have a perfect family. But I go back to the

752
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 6: sex bus that was sitting outside of their forty million

753
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 6: dollar home as the brothers were in high school, and

754
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 6: people have said witness testimony, they are saying that back

755
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 6: in those days that women in the scene, in the

756
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 6: Miami scene, because for some reason, high schools were in

757
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 6: the Miami scene. They were warned not to drink any

758
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 6: drinks that came from the brothers and to stay away

759
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 6: from the brothers.

760
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 11: The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and

761
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 11: positions to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually

762
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 11: assault women. So far, more than forty women have come

763
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 11: forward accusing the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconducts, and

764
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 11: investigators are asking other women who believe they have been.

765
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: Assaulted to call.

766
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 11: Attorneys for the brothers say they planned to plead not

767
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 11: guilty to the charges, which if convicted, could lend all

768
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 11: three brothers in prison for life.

769
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: As we are discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, rape, sodomies,

770
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: that's what we're saying. Reportedly date all the way back

771
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: when the real estate bros were in high school.

772
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 15: Listen as news of the arrests start to spread, stories

773
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 15: from the Alexander brothers high school years come to light.

774
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 15: Their history of sexual violence dates back decades to their

775
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 15: high school days in Miami, where they bragged about several

776
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 15: gang rapes. Prosecutors say each of the victims that the

777
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 15: government has interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved,

778
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 15: including Tal Alexander, talked about the assaults at school, boasting

779
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 15: about running train on their victims and saying they wanted

780
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 15: to do it again.

781
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: You know, Lynn Shaw.

782
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: As many rape and sodomy cases that I've investigated, I

783
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: have tried, have pled out to jail time, have covered.

784
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: It's still it's disgusting.

785
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: It makes something and you want to die to hear

786
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 2: about them bragging about quote running train on the victims,

787
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying they quote

788
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 2: wanted to.

789
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: Do it again.

790
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: It never ceases to be heartbreaking that a victim would

791
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: go through this.

792
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 9: Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for

793
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 9: those that don't have a voice. And I want us

794
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 9: to focus on two things here. I want us to

795
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 9: focus on where was Mama Alexander, we're talking about a

796
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 9: sex bus when these trio of triplets, dirty ditty triplets

797
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 9: were right part right in front of their their multimillion

798
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 9: dollar mansion. I'm telling you as a mother, I knew

799
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 9: when my kids moved a throw pillow on my couch.

800
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 9: Where were the parents at this time and throughout all

801
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 9: of this? The second thing I want to and we

802
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 9: have to talk about that because people have to start

803
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 9: standing up. Where were these parents? They were the talk

804
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 9: of the town. We're hearing, you know, in the Miami,

805
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 9: Florida area, so we should focus on that. I also

806
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 9: want to focus on You're not going to see their

807
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 9: wives in court with them. Those women are taking their

808
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 9: kids and running for the hills. One is already filed

809
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 9: for divorce. Okay, they're going to turn evidence on them.

810
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 9: They're beautiful young women, they have some young children, a

811
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 9: newborn baby. They're not sticking around for this. And the

812
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 9: third thing I want to get back to we're not

813
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 9: talking enough about is that oldest brother with his security firm.

814
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 9: There is video evidence. Where are all those videos going?

815
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 9: I guarantee, I hope we have a forensic accountant coming

816
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 9: along that they have been uploaded not only to control

817
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 9: their victims and to scare them. They have been uploaded

818
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 9: to porn sites where these monsters make millions and millions

819
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 9: of dollars across the globe. And these are things we

820
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 9: should be looking at now.

821
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: Taal and or In Alexander known as quote high end

822
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: realtors who have sold over one hundred million dollar properties

823
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: in Miami, New York City. The Hampton's the other brother,

824
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: the third one, and there's another one that was not indicted,

825
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: not involved in all of this a lawn. Alexander was

826
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: an executive. He worked at the family's multimillion dollar security

827
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: firm named Kent. The fourth brother was not involved in

828
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: any of these charges. After all, the tearful testimony of

829
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: the accusers, will the conviction stick. Trust me, They're already

830
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: gnashing their teeth and twisting their tails behind bars working

831
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: on an appeal. We wait as justice unfolds.

832
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,