WEBVTT - Running Back TOP 10: Ashton Jeanty vs Omarion Hampton + Cam Skattebo a SLEEPER!? | Ticket to the Draft | Washington Commanders | NFL 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.280 On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we've 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.680 got the top ten running backs. Well it's more like 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:08.280 twelve thirteen, fourteen, because this running back class is super deep. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.760 We talk who's got the juice that speed those forties, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.720 those explosive runs, and who's got the power to run 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.560 you over and who's got both? And we've got Omar 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.800 and Hampton and Ash and gent Who's the real number one? 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.960 Is it closer than people think? It all starts right now. 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.880 Welcome in the Ticke of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.960 Paulson here with just the guy, Jason and Jason. It's 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.879 so fun to be back in the seat talking more prospects. Man, 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:35.360 how you doing. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.440 I'm doing great, especially because it's running back and running 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.320 back like wide receiver like quarterback. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.519 They're just fun to watch, right. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.040 These are the these are the guys that have the 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.920 crazy juke moves. They're bigger and runs. They're big and 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.040 run super fast. Some of them are smaller and can 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.920 run people over. It's just you get the contrasts and 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.160 body types with what you expect and what they can 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:56.680 and can't do. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:58.360 And it's a deep class. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.600 I think it is a deep class. It was. It 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.760 was interesting though, like this is something I didn't talk 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.080 to you about, but like it's so it's always a 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.280 good reminder this class is deep and there will be 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.720 starters in this class, a lot of starters and guys 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.440 like rotational guys for sure, But I'm always reminded like 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.040 they are Like running back, college running back is so 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.440 different than NFL running back right now, so tell me 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.160 about it. Yeah, So I think one of the things 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.039 is there's only a couple of running backs that run 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.440 in like pro style systems. It's all these kind of 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.840 gun runs, like where there's a lot of space, light boxes. 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:29.840 You got to make one guy miss, there's a ton 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.720 of space. Because one of the things I've I evaluate 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.880 in my process is like how well the running back 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.080 does with like a bad look or a muddy look 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.720 at the line of scrimmage, Like can you be creative 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.920 and find those tight creases those tight gaps. And there's 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.040 a couple guys on here that I downgraded actually because 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.319 I felt like they couldn't do that. But it's just 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.920 so hard to find clips of the mexicanting that at 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.520 a high level, you know, And so I think that's 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.080 something that's so different. So you're like, it feels like, 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:55.920 you know, when you watch defensive end, when you watch 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.320 an offensive linemen, when you watch receivers, you see transferable 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.720 stuff like all the time. And with running backs. Yeah, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.440 it's great when you see someone hit a home run 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.280 and it's mag exposive run, and obviously that's transferable because 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.959 they're fast or explosive whatever it is. But it's the 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.440 it's the nuance of the position, like the thing that 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.520 separates b John Robinson from just another guy, or the 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.120 thing that separates Derrick Henry from just another position. And 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.080 why you know why Derek Henry is a good example 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.680 actually why Derek Henry struggled early in his career because 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.640 he had he had a hard time maximizing bad looks. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.280 And that's something that I think really takes a good 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.040 running back and makes them great. And so I like 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.200 to see an element of that when watching film. M'ch 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.240 just hard to find because all these spread looks, all 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.280 these light boxes, they don't get them as much. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.320 Yeah, absolutely, I actually want to dive into some terms 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.560 because you threw a couple of them in there. But yeah, 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.000 when evaluating a running back, one of the other things 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.040 that I would say that like is hard to do 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:51.919 because if you go look at a highlight tape where 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.519 you just watch running plays, like a cutup of running plays, 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.000 you're not really going to see how they do with 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.720 in past block, which is really important past shanda, Right, 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.360 So one of the things I would suggest if somebody 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.919 is watching this is go on YouTube and finally cut 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.200 up of all the passing plays from a game of 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.400 theirs and see what they do, like are they getting 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.080 physical or not? So like, those are the type of things, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.359 like you said, being in muddy situations, what do you do? 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.880 And are you going to be in past protection because 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.120 in the NFL, you're not going to be a starting 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.760 running back, certainly not a three down back if you're 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:27.640 not doing that. 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.440 And it's funny because a lot of these guys project 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.720 to that third that third down back type role. But 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.520 then again, like you, then you watch them pastor and 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.440 you're like, oh, this isn't exactly what I was hoping 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.400 for here. You're like, you know, they're they're shifty, they're small, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.760 they're athletic, or even some of the bigger guys, right 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.600 who can catch the football out of the backfield. We'll 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:45.160 talk about some of them in a minute, but like 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.480 they need to be able to do like the most 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.320 important part of being a third down back, which is 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.880 pass protect and I think that sometimes it doesn't always 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.280 show up on film, and I got to remind myself 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.720 to every year we watch this, I'm very very rarely 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.240 and I'm like, oh, this guy's are really a pass 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.040 protector because it's again in they're trying to get guys 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.120 out routes or you're not. 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:02.720 Asking him to do it. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.600 That's much, yeah, for sure. And I mean what de 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.200 Q has said, uh he said it before here. If 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:10.720 you're going to be a running back on this team 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.360 for the Commanders, you're gonna you're gonna get in it. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.320 You're gonna mix it up with pass blocking. And that's 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.720 one of the reasons that they brought in Austin Eckler 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.159 because that's what he It's one of the things he 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.640 loves to do. He will get in there and scrap 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.640 and I wanted to bring that attitude and that energy 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.840 into that running back room. So coaches look for that. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.160 It's not just EQ and the Commanders, I think almost 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.840 all coaches look for that. You got to be an 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.119 extra special player to not bring that to a team 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.680 and see any time on the field. But I want 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.640 to ask you real quickly about some terms. We do 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.880 this every time of things that you're going to say. Here, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.600 you already said muddy. So a muddy run. What's the 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:48.000 money run? 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.839 Yeah, somebody run. It's like, you know, you're running inside zone. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.760 There's not a lot of movement, there's maybe a free 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.040 runner in the hole, Like, can you get back to 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.120 the line of scrimmage? Can you make this? Like? Can 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.520 you keep us on schedule? And there's guy in this 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.920 class who, like I didn't, I don't really like love 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.240 him as a prospect for a myriad of reasons. But 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.800 he does that better than anybody I've seen the last 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.320 couple of years. And that's why he's high on the list, 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.440 you know what I mean, Because your ability to keep 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.000 the offense on schedule. Hey, we didn't block the middle 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.920 linebacker on this run through. But you make a miss, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.359 you break a tack, you fall forward, you find like 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.680 this tight crease, you're able to cram it in there, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.080 and a run that should have been tackled for a 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.560 loss of one is now a gain of three. And 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.599 if you can do that matter, and if you look 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.040 at like some of the stuff that happens around the 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.560 NFL when you say, like, what makes this back special 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.640 is their ability to keep you on schedule offensively, because 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.040 I don't want to be in second and ten as 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.080 an offensive coordinator if I call a first down run. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.159 So getting a back that again can elevate your offensive 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.080 line and put you in the best position to be successful. Like, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.480 to me, that's that is I don't want to say 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.520 the most important thing, but it's definitely like one A, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.440 one B with some other traits that I look for 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:55.120 in running backs. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.960 All Right, how do you determine the vision of a 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:59.920 running back when evaluating. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.920 Yeah, so I think the thing is like probably because 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.000 like we did so much stuff here with outside zone, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.120 gap team stuff with a myriad of teams that I 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.440 that I played with, Right, is you kind of get 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.520 a feel for where the ball should go, and then 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.760 you've watched enough football to know that like if this happens, 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.960 then this should happen, and if that happens, then this 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.359 happens like ABC and then D option right, And so 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.120 sometimes when you're watching a back run, like you can 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.279 kind of feel the way the run is progressing, and 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.960 they call it riding the wave right, So like first 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.880 gaps closed, I got to bounce it back when more, 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.320 second gas closed, got to bounce back when more, Oh 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:35.920 this gaps open, put my foot in the ground and 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.000 hit it hard, get downhill and drive and attack that 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.040 line of scrimmage. And so that's kind of what I'm 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.880 looking at. And when I see a back kind of 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.039 run to darkness, like running to the back of the 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.000 offensive line and I try to plow forward for four 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.960 I'm like, you didn't read it out, your vision wasn't. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.560 Or miss the whole, or it closes too quickly because 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:54.760 it weren't decisive enough. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.039 Yeah. I think that's a great way to put it. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.000 Up, because sometimes you get running backs that when they're 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.880 working on their vision, it is like, like you said, 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.719 like following a wave, okay, this is closed as close 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.080 all right, foot in the ground off. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.360 But then there's also times where they're too patient. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.560 They're like, oh this is and by the time they 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.600 that like, oh should I go, it's closed. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.040 So it's hitting it. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.840 It's being patient, but also knowing as soon as that opens, 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.960 you got to make a decision and go right. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.160 I think that's exactly right. And there's a couple of 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.160 guys that do that really really well in this class. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.600 And the last one I want to talk to you 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.440 about is contact balance because I felt like a lot 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.960 of guys in this class have good contact balance, so 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:34.960 we're gonna mention it a lot. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.000 Yeah, contact balance, I think is another one of those traits. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.320 It's like sneaky underrated for a back because even as oh, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.000 can you make a guy miss, can you hit an 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.480 explosive run, but contact balance is equally as important. There's 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.600 a guy number nine on my list actually who I 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.960 remember watching a game he had against Virginia and he 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.360 just had terrible contact balance and like an arm tackle, 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.120 you know, a defensive tackle be falling off, get an 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.840 arm on him and he'd fall down. You're like, man, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.160 that's a fifteen yard run if you can get out 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.200 of that arm tackle. And so the ability to like 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.400 keep your balance, survive contact, stay on your feet is 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.680 to me one of I don't again. Like we talked 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.520 about muddy runs and they go. They work so well together. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.400 Muddy runs and contact balance are so closely tied. And honestly, 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.400 muddy runs they have contact balance. It's got vision in there, right. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.040 All those things factor in, but it's a big part, 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.840 especially for a bigger back. You better have good contact balance. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.520 Yeah, and a lot of the times, like running backs 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.920 very rarely don't get touched, like Saquon was like a 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.840 freak this year because of that offensive line he had. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.079 He like led the league in most yardage before contact, 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:43.640 which is insane that you have that end his athletic ability, right, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.880 So when that's one of the reasons he had such 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:51.240 an amazing year. But most of the time, you're gonna 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.360 not make someone juke out of their shoes where a 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.360 defender is going to fall down on that put some 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.040 sort of hand or something on you, so they're gonna 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:00.520 hit you in some way or another. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.200 It's just can you knit. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.000 Negate that contact to be hard enough to knock you 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.160 over and it's like I can absorb a little bit 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.199 of that, like take that and keep moving, right, That's 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:13.000 what you're looking. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.760 For one hundred percent. So I think those are actually 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.240 some really good terms that you picked out there to 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.800 kind of review because if you have these things, if 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:23.000 you have contact, contact balance, open field creation, good vision, 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.040 and you can survive money runs like you're good, you're 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:26.480 good back. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.280 Yeah, And we have a lot of good ones. So 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.760 let's start at number ten for you. It is out 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.559 of UCF Central Florida. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.480 Yeah, RJ. Harvey. So he was a guy at the 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.920 Senior Bowl, and really it's like a tie between him 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.679 and DJ Giddon. So I guess we'll talk about both 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.400 those guys right now, just to kind of clear it up. 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:43.040 Okay, So R J. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.280 Harvey is a little undersized. He's like five nine two 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.320 and nine pounds, but he is explosive. He is, he's 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.439 a home run waiting to happen. You know. They run 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.960 kind of this spread offenseentate uc They got a little 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.640 speed option in there. If he gets to the perimeter, man, 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.880 he is he's lightning in a bottle and he's got 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.599 the juice. I think he ran a four. He was 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.400 like the third fastest forty at the combine and it 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.920 shows up on tape. He's a great accelerator. I love 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.679 watching him accelerate through the hole. That's something to other. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.040 Another thing about backs that's kind of underrated. I don't 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.640 really care about the top end speed as much, but 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.720 I want to see you just burst through the hole. 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.160 And I think he's got a good feel for that. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.199 I think he catches the ball pretty good out of 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.560 the backfield and that's pretty exciting, and so I think 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.160 he kind of fits in that mole of like and 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.480 it's funny. After I did my list, I was like, man, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.560 I really thought about this from like a commander's perspective, 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.160 like what would make the commander's offense better? And I 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:30.959 do think he would make the offense better because he's 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:35.040 an explosive playmaker that has really good feel as a runner. 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:37.839 The reason he's ten on my list is because he's 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.439 a little on the smaller side, and also I don't 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.560 think he maximizes muddy runs very well. He runs hard, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.959 like it's not about a running hard thing. His visions 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.600 to me a little bit sometimes I kind of like 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.680 what you're talking about, Like he'll see the cut and 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.960 he's so explosive and so twitchy, but he's a little 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.440 late rush and so like at the NFL level, obviously 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.800 that can get better, but catches the football well. I 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.520 think it's going to be definitely a contributor in terms 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.880 of the return game. Really like him, and then so 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.960 I said to kind of ten a ten B here. 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.640 DJ Gettings from Kansas State is the other one. And 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.200 he is a guy that feels like could be a 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.400 starting back in the NFL. Got really good vision, kind 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.680 of sneaky speed, reminds me a little bit like Alvin Kamara, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.400 kind of this upright running style can make you miss. 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.120 Like you talk about good contact ballos, good open field creation, 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.760 pretty good in muddy run situations, good vision. The thing 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.120 about him that again, I think he catches the ball well, 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:29.719 like I really like him as a back. And it's 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.280 crazy we're talking about two guys that I like a 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.520 lot at ten here. But the thing about him is 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.320 like there's times where I'm like, how hard are you running? 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.240 Are you running? Like I didn't get the energy from him, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.080 if that makes sense, which is weird, which is weird 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.200 to kind of talk about. But yeah, both those guys 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.920 good football players, and I think, you know, would make 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.160 the commander significantly better. But R. J. Harvey he's on 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.800 the list because he's explosive, catches the ball well and 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:52.200 brings the juice. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.679 Man runs hard and Giddings is like right there for you. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.120 Mean, they're the same. It just depends on schematically, like 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.000 what you're looking at. If you're looking for more like 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.960 a bell cow like first and second down guy with 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.720 some third down upside. I think Giddens is excellent. And 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.800 think about Gidding's again, like there's certain like and this 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.480 is probably me just being like a hard oh like traditionalist, 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.480 like I want to see you finish runs and sometimes 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.800 like he's stepping out of bounds, he's kind of taking 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.920 a knee and you're like, why are we doing that? 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.600 You know what I mean? Everything else on this run 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.120 was great, let's let's finish with violence and kind of 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.000 set the tone here. But a good player. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:27.680 Yeah. So with RJ. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.840 Harvey, one of the things I think I noticed to 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.160 your explosiveness that like I really liked about him and 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.960 I didn't like it was something that I wasn't looking for. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.400 It just kind of popped up and I went, oh, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.200 I should look for this more across all positions. But 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.520 it just popped up with him is that he varies 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.760 his speed really well while running. So what I mean 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.560 by that is like he'll explode and hit the hole 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.679 and he'll start going, and then he'll see that defenders 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.319 are setting up angles on him, so he'll pull back 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.360 the throttle just to hear and then go and then 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.040 back and then go. It was really hard for defenders 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.640 to ever line them up because he was never unless 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.199 he was in open field and he was just out 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.199 running everybody. If there were people coming towards him, he 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.600 was constantly it was almost like foot tapping on the 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.160 gas every now and then to give like it put 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.079 defenders off balance for them and couldn't line up angles. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.760 And I was like, that's really smart. That's just smart running. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:24.199 And he did it extremely well. I personally really loved 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.319 with my Jack guys Giddins. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.800 I think this guy is a sleeper in the draft class. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:30.840 Know if he's a sleeper, I mean yeah, but. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.280 I think I think, I think he's really good. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.200 And I think that's why it's weird talking about him, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.760 because like obviously R. J. Harvey for the Commanders would 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.600 be a better fit potentially, you know, in terms of playmaking, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.280 pass catching upside potentially, But if you're looking for someone 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.600 to kind of come in and maybe share the load 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.720 with b Rob or you know, kind of work out 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.360 that first and second down back, Giddens would be more 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:53.800 of a fit. Does that make sense? 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:54.080 Right? 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.440 Like he's because again, like he's like I said, I 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.960 just compared Malvin Kamara, like he does some really. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.280 Really special stuff, you know. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.240 But I think it's he's a guy that we talk 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.079 about this every show like that I would need to 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.040 get an interview with right to get a feel for, 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.280 like how are you actually wired? Are you competitive? Are you? 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:12.640 It's really the competitiveness. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.560 So let me say this to you. Then, because I 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.480 really liked him, I did a little more research on him. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.960 That tends to be what I do. So, Like, first off, 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.520 holy moly, this dude can juke. Like when we're talking 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:25.359 about like making people miss, like it's hard for defenders 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.200 to just get their hands on them, and like heard, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.840 contact isn't enough for him, It ignores it. You've got 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:32.720 to wrap him up or he's going to keep going. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.560 But here's what I really liked about about him, other 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.320 than like that smooth, gliding jukie running style. He started 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.360 playing high school or started playing football in his senior 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.560 year of high school, really and he was a walk 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.440 on for Kansas State. So that's why he wasn't high. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:49.800 I don't. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.720 I think that's why he's not high on people's board 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.040 right now because he's kind of under. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.840 He's like the tenth back, like he's gonna go. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.160 To he's going to be higher than I think he's 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.040 I think he's going to end up being like I 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.920 think I sent you my list, Like he's going to 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.840 be up there in this draft class, I think, And 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.760 I think it's a lot of this, Like he's still 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.520 raw and he is a grinder and a worker. This 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.440 just feels like a commander to me. Like I'm not 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.440 saying we should take him or we need to take him. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.640 What I'm talking about is like the the the mentality. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.280 It just feels like I just started playing football. I 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.400 kind of like this, I'm gonna put work in, I'm 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.880 gonna walk on. I'm like nothing's going to be given 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.040 to me, and I'm gonna go take. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:27.320 It on your list. 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.720 Yeah, So like I don't know, that's what I really 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.040 like about him. I like all these bags, by the way, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.240 Like there's not one that I'm gonna be upset with. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.320 I think that's the other thing too. It's just kind 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.080 of like what's your flavor kind of like with receiver, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.000 it's like what's your flavor? What are you looking for? 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.000 And that's the thing that's really hard to determine for 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.040 a team like the Washington Commanders because this Giddings could 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.360 he be a starting caliber back in the NFL. Yeah, 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.520 I think so. Could R J. Harvey be a kind 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.280 of a difference making third down darren Sprolls esque type 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.040 of guy, like just as the archetype of that position. Yeah, 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.280 it just depends on what your what your vision is 0:15:58.320 --> 0:15:59.840 for the offense and how they think he's gonna fit. 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:02.160 But I think he's a He's a fun player to 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.000 watch again, Like I want to see him finish runs 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.880 a little bit more violently, but makes people miss good 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.360 good vision can maximize money runs. Like he's a really 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.440 good football player. And the fact we're talking about him 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.920 for me at ten, for you at five is interesting. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.080 And he always like watching the Todd McShay show. He 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.720 has him at fourteen, so obviously, like. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.800 That's what I mean. He's kind of all over the place. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.320 I mean, I'm just a guy that watches. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.560 But what I'm saying this to your point though, is 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.040 the difference between five and fourteen in this class is 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.120 not that much because it's because it's stylistically what are 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:35.400 you looking for? And I think this is like I 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.840 did a draft show for my other podcast recently and 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.680