Speaker 1: On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we've
Speaker 1: got the top ten running backs. Well it's more like
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen, fourteen, because this running back class is super deep.
Speaker 1: We talk who's got the juice that speed those forties,
Speaker 1: those explosive runs, and who's got the power to run
Speaker 1: you over and who's got both? And we've got Omar
Speaker 1: and Hampton and Ash and gent Who's the real number one?
Speaker 1: Is it closer than people think? It all starts right now.
Speaker 1: Welcome in the Ticke of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan
Speaker 1: Paulson here with just the guy, Jason and Jason. It's
Speaker 1: so fun to be back in the seat talking more prospects. Man,
Speaker 1: how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great, especially because it's running back and running
Speaker 2: back like wide receiver like quarterback.
Speaker 3: They're just fun to watch, right.
Speaker 2: These are the these are the guys that have the
Speaker 2: crazy juke moves. They're bigger and runs. They're big and
Speaker 2: run super fast. Some of them are smaller and can
Speaker 2: run people over. It's just you get the contrasts and
Speaker 2: body types with what you expect and what they can
Speaker 2: and can't do.
Speaker 3: And it's a deep class.
Speaker 1: I think it is a deep class. It was. It
Speaker 1: was interesting though, like this is something I didn't talk
Speaker 1: to you about, but like it's so it's always a
Speaker 1: good reminder this class is deep and there will be
Speaker 1: starters in this class, a lot of starters and guys
Speaker 1: like rotational guys for sure, But I'm always reminded like
Speaker 1: they are Like running back, college running back is so
Speaker 1: different than NFL running back right now, so tell me
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, So I think one of the things
Speaker 1: is there's only a couple of running backs that run
Speaker 1: in like pro style systems. It's all these kind of
Speaker 1: gun runs, like where there's a lot of space, light boxes.
Speaker 1: You got to make one guy miss, there's a ton
Speaker 1: of space. Because one of the things I've I evaluate
Speaker 1: in my process is like how well the running back
Speaker 1: does with like a bad look or a muddy look
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, Like can you be creative
Speaker 1: and find those tight creases those tight gaps. And there's
Speaker 1: a couple guys on here that I downgraded actually because
Speaker 1: I felt like they couldn't do that. But it's just
Speaker 1: so hard to find clips of the mexicanting that at
Speaker 1: a high level, you know, And so I think that's
Speaker 1: something that's so different. So you're like, it feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you watch defensive end, when you watch
Speaker 1: an offensive linemen, when you watch receivers, you see transferable
Speaker 1: stuff like all the time. And with running backs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great when you see someone hit a home run
Speaker 1: and it's mag exposive run, and obviously that's transferable because
Speaker 1: they're fast or explosive whatever it is. But it's the
Speaker 1: it's the nuance of the position, like the thing that
Speaker 1: separates b John Robinson from just another guy, or the
Speaker 1: thing that separates Derrick Henry from just another position. And
Speaker 1: why you know why Derek Henry is a good example
Speaker 1: actually why Derek Henry struggled early in his career because
Speaker 1: he had he had a hard time maximizing bad looks.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I think really takes a good
Speaker 1: running back and makes them great. And so I like
Speaker 1: to see an element of that when watching film. M'ch
Speaker 1: just hard to find because all these spread looks, all
Speaker 1: these light boxes, they don't get them as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I actually want to dive into some terms
Speaker 2: because you threw a couple of them in there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: when evaluating a running back, one of the other things
Speaker 2: that I would say that like is hard to do
Speaker 2: because if you go look at a highlight tape where
Speaker 2: you just watch running plays, like a cutup of running plays,
Speaker 2: you're not really going to see how they do with
Speaker 2: in past block, which is really important past shanda, Right,
Speaker 2: So one of the things I would suggest if somebody
Speaker 2: is watching this is go on YouTube and finally cut
Speaker 2: up of all the passing plays from a game of
Speaker 2: theirs and see what they do, like are they getting
Speaker 2: physical or not? So like, those are the type of things,
Speaker 2: like you said, being in muddy situations, what do you do?
Speaker 2: And are you going to be in past protection because
Speaker 2: in the NFL, you're not going to be a starting
Speaker 2: running back, certainly not a three down back if you're
Speaker 2: not doing that.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because a lot of these guys project
Speaker 1: to that third that third down back type role. But
Speaker 1: then again, like you, then you watch them pastor and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this isn't exactly what I was hoping
Speaker 1: for here. You're like, you know, they're they're shifty, they're small,
Speaker 1: they're athletic, or even some of the bigger guys, right
Speaker 1: who can catch the football out of the backfield. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about some of them in a minute, but like
Speaker 1: they need to be able to do like the most
Speaker 1: important part of being a third down back, which is
Speaker 1: pass protect and I think that sometimes it doesn't always
Speaker 1: show up on film, and I got to remind myself
Speaker 1: to every year we watch this, I'm very very rarely
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this guy's are really a pass
Speaker 1: protector because it's again in they're trying to get guys
Speaker 1: out routes or you're not.
Speaker 3: Asking him to do it.
Speaker 2: That's much, yeah, for sure. And I mean what de
Speaker 2: Q has said, uh he said it before here. If
Speaker 2: you're going to be a running back on this team
Speaker 2: for the Commanders, you're gonna you're gonna get in it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna mix it up with pass blocking. And that's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that they brought in Austin Eckler
Speaker 2: because that's what he It's one of the things he
Speaker 2: loves to do. He will get in there and scrap
Speaker 2: and I wanted to bring that attitude and that energy
Speaker 2: into that running back room. So coaches look for that.
Speaker 2: It's not just EQ and the Commanders, I think almost
Speaker 2: all coaches look for that. You got to be an
Speaker 2: extra special player to not bring that to a team
Speaker 2: and see any time on the field. But I want
Speaker 2: to ask you real quickly about some terms. We do
Speaker 2: this every time of things that you're going to say. Here,
Speaker 2: you already said muddy. So a muddy run. What's the
Speaker 2: money run?
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody run. It's like, you know, you're running inside zone.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of movement, there's maybe a free
Speaker 1: runner in the hole, Like, can you get back to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage? Can you make this? Like? Can
Speaker 1: you keep us on schedule? And there's guy in this
Speaker 1: class who, like I didn't, I don't really like love
Speaker 1: him as a prospect for a myriad of reasons. But
Speaker 1: he does that better than anybody I've seen the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. And that's why he's high on the list,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because your ability to keep
Speaker 1: the offense on schedule. Hey, we didn't block the middle
Speaker 1: linebacker on this run through. But you make a miss,
Speaker 1: you break a tack, you fall forward, you find like
Speaker 1: this tight crease, you're able to cram it in there,
Speaker 1: and a run that should have been tackled for a
Speaker 1: loss of one is now a gain of three. And
Speaker 1: if you can do that matter, and if you look
Speaker 1: at like some of the stuff that happens around the
Speaker 1: NFL when you say, like, what makes this back special
Speaker 1: is their ability to keep you on schedule offensively, because
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in second and ten as
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator if I call a first down run.
Speaker 1: So getting a back that again can elevate your offensive
Speaker 1: line and put you in the best position to be successful. Like,
Speaker 1: to me, that's that is I don't want to say
Speaker 1: the most important thing, but it's definitely like one A,
Speaker 1: one B with some other traits that I look for
Speaker 1: in running backs.
Speaker 2: All Right, how do you determine the vision of a
Speaker 2: running back when evaluating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think the thing is like probably because
Speaker 1: like we did so much stuff here with outside zone,
Speaker 1: gap team stuff with a myriad of teams that I
Speaker 1: that I played with, Right, is you kind of get
Speaker 1: a feel for where the ball should go, and then
Speaker 1: you've watched enough football to know that like if this happens,
Speaker 1: then this should happen, and if that happens, then this
Speaker 1: happens like ABC and then D option right, And so
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're watching a back run, like you can
Speaker 1: kind of feel the way the run is progressing, and
Speaker 1: they call it riding the wave right, So like first
Speaker 1: gaps closed, I got to bounce it back when more,
Speaker 1: second gas closed, got to bounce back when more, Oh
Speaker 1: this gaps open, put my foot in the ground and
Speaker 1: hit it hard, get downhill and drive and attack that
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And so that's kind of what I'm
Speaker 1: looking at. And when I see a back kind of
Speaker 1: run to darkness, like running to the back of the
Speaker 1: offensive line and I try to plow forward for four
Speaker 1: I'm like, you didn't read it out, your vision wasn't.
Speaker 2: Or miss the whole, or it closes too quickly because
Speaker 2: it weren't decisive enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a great way to put it.
Speaker 2: Up, because sometimes you get running backs that when they're
Speaker 2: working on their vision, it is like, like you said,
Speaker 2: like following a wave, okay, this is closed as close
Speaker 2: all right, foot in the ground off.
Speaker 3: But then there's also times where they're too patient.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh this is and by the time they
Speaker 2: that like, oh should I go, it's closed.
Speaker 3: So it's hitting it.
Speaker 2: It's being patient, but also knowing as soon as that opens,
Speaker 2: you got to make a decision and go right.
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. And there's a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that do that really really well in this class.
Speaker 2: And the last one I want to talk to you
Speaker 2: about is contact balance because I felt like a lot
Speaker 2: of guys in this class have good contact balance, so
Speaker 2: we're gonna mention it a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, contact balance, I think is another one of those traits.
Speaker 1: It's like sneaky underrated for a back because even as oh,
Speaker 1: can you make a guy miss, can you hit an
Speaker 1: explosive run, but contact balance is equally as important. There's
Speaker 1: a guy number nine on my list actually who I
Speaker 1: remember watching a game he had against Virginia and he
Speaker 1: just had terrible contact balance and like an arm tackle,
Speaker 1: you know, a defensive tackle be falling off, get an
Speaker 1: arm on him and he'd fall down. You're like, man,
Speaker 1: that's a fifteen yard run if you can get out
Speaker 1: of that arm tackle. And so the ability to like
Speaker 1: keep your balance, survive contact, stay on your feet is
Speaker 1: to me one of I don't again. Like we talked
Speaker 1: about muddy runs and they go. They work so well together.
Speaker 1: Muddy runs and contact balance are so closely tied. And honestly,
Speaker 1: muddy runs they have contact balance. It's got vision in there, right.
Speaker 1: All those things factor in, but it's a big part,
Speaker 1: especially for a bigger back. You better have good contact balance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of the times, like running backs
Speaker 2: very rarely don't get touched, like Saquon was like a
Speaker 2: freak this year because of that offensive line he had.
Speaker 2: He like led the league in most yardage before contact,
Speaker 2: which is insane that you have that end his athletic ability, right,
Speaker 2: So when that's one of the reasons he had such
Speaker 2: an amazing year. But most of the time, you're gonna
Speaker 2: not make someone juke out of their shoes where a
Speaker 2: defender is going to fall down on that put some
Speaker 2: sort of hand or something on you, so they're gonna
Speaker 2: hit you in some way or another.
Speaker 3: It's just can you knit.
Speaker 2: Negate that contact to be hard enough to knock you
Speaker 2: over and it's like I can absorb a little bit
Speaker 2: of that, like take that and keep moving, right, That's
Speaker 2: what you're looking.
Speaker 1: For one hundred percent. So I think those are actually
Speaker 1: some really good terms that you picked out there to
Speaker 1: kind of review because if you have these things, if
Speaker 1: you have contact, contact balance, open field creation, good vision,
Speaker 1: and you can survive money runs like you're good, you're
Speaker 1: good back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we have a lot of good ones. So
Speaker 2: let's start at number ten for you. It is out
Speaker 2: of UCF Central Florida.
Speaker 1: Yeah, RJ. Harvey. So he was a guy at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and really it's like a tie between him
Speaker 1: and DJ Giddon. So I guess we'll talk about both
Speaker 1: those guys right now, just to kind of clear it up.
Speaker 3: Okay, So R J.
Speaker 1: Harvey is a little undersized. He's like five nine two
Speaker 1: and nine pounds, but he is explosive. He is, he's
Speaker 1: a home run waiting to happen. You know. They run
Speaker 1: kind of this spread offenseentate uc They got a little
Speaker 1: speed option in there. If he gets to the perimeter, man,
Speaker 1: he is he's lightning in a bottle and he's got
Speaker 1: the juice. I think he ran a four. He was
Speaker 1: like the third fastest forty at the combine and it
Speaker 1: shows up on tape. He's a great accelerator. I love
Speaker 1: watching him accelerate through the hole. That's something to other.
Speaker 1: Another thing about backs that's kind of underrated. I don't
Speaker 1: really care about the top end speed as much, but
Speaker 1: I want to see you just burst through the hole.
Speaker 1: And I think he's got a good feel for that.
Speaker 1: I think he catches the ball pretty good out of
Speaker 1: the backfield and that's pretty exciting, and so I think
Speaker 1: he kind of fits in that mole of like and
Speaker 1: it's funny. After I did my list, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I really thought about this from like a commander's perspective,
Speaker 1: like what would make the commander's offense better? And I
Speaker 1: do think he would make the offense better because he's
Speaker 1: an explosive playmaker that has really good feel as a runner.
Speaker 1: The reason he's ten on my list is because he's
Speaker 1: a little on the smaller side, and also I don't
Speaker 1: think he maximizes muddy runs very well. He runs hard,
Speaker 1: like it's not about a running hard thing. His visions
Speaker 1: to me a little bit sometimes I kind of like
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Like he'll see the cut and
Speaker 1: he's so explosive and so twitchy, but he's a little
Speaker 1: late rush and so like at the NFL level, obviously
Speaker 1: that can get better, but catches the football well. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be definitely a contributor in terms
Speaker 1: of the return game. Really like him, and then so
Speaker 1: I said to kind of ten a ten B here.
Speaker 1: DJ Gettings from Kansas State is the other one. And
Speaker 1: he is a guy that feels like could be a
Speaker 1: starting back in the NFL. Got really good vision, kind
Speaker 1: of sneaky speed, reminds me a little bit like Alvin Kamara,
Speaker 1: kind of this upright running style can make you miss.
Speaker 1: Like you talk about good contact ballos, good open field creation,
Speaker 1: pretty good in muddy run situations, good vision. The thing
Speaker 1: about him that again, I think he catches the ball well,
Speaker 1: like I really like him as a back. And it's
Speaker 1: crazy we're talking about two guys that I like a
Speaker 1: lot at ten here. But the thing about him is
Speaker 1: like there's times where I'm like, how hard are you running?
Speaker 1: Are you running? Like I didn't get the energy from him,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, which is weird, which is weird
Speaker 1: to kind of talk about. But yeah, both those guys
Speaker 1: good football players, and I think, you know, would make
Speaker 1: the commander significantly better. But R. J. Harvey he's on
Speaker 1: the list because he's explosive, catches the ball well and
Speaker 1: brings the juice.
Speaker 3: Man runs hard and Giddings is like right there for you.
Speaker 1: Mean, they're the same. It just depends on schematically, like
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. If you're looking for more like
Speaker 1: a bell cow like first and second down guy with
Speaker 1: some third down upside. I think Giddens is excellent. And
Speaker 1: think about Gidding's again, like there's certain like and this
Speaker 1: is probably me just being like a hard oh like traditionalist,
Speaker 1: like I want to see you finish runs and sometimes
Speaker 1: like he's stepping out of bounds, he's kind of taking
Speaker 1: a knee and you're like, why are we doing that?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Everything else on this run
Speaker 1: was great, let's let's finish with violence and kind of
Speaker 1: set the tone here. But a good player.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So with RJ.
Speaker 2: Harvey, one of the things I think I noticed to
Speaker 2: your explosiveness that like I really liked about him and
Speaker 2: I didn't like it was something that I wasn't looking for.
Speaker 2: It just kind of popped up and I went, oh,
Speaker 2: I should look for this more across all positions. But
Speaker 2: it just popped up with him is that he varies
Speaker 2: his speed really well while running. So what I mean
Speaker 2: by that is like he'll explode and hit the hole
Speaker 2: and he'll start going, and then he'll see that defenders
Speaker 2: are setting up angles on him, so he'll pull back
Speaker 2: the throttle just to hear and then go and then
Speaker 2: back and then go. It was really hard for defenders
Speaker 2: to ever line them up because he was never unless
Speaker 2: he was in open field and he was just out
Speaker 2: running everybody. If there were people coming towards him, he
Speaker 2: was constantly it was almost like foot tapping on the
Speaker 2: gas every now and then to give like it put
Speaker 2: defenders off balance for them and couldn't line up angles.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's really smart. That's just smart running.
Speaker 2: And he did it extremely well. I personally really loved
Speaker 2: with my Jack guys Giddins.
Speaker 3: I think this guy is a sleeper in the draft class.
Speaker 1: Know if he's a sleeper, I mean yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I think I think, I think he's really good.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's weird talking about him,
Speaker 1: because like obviously R. J. Harvey for the Commanders would
Speaker 1: be a better fit potentially, you know, in terms of playmaking,
Speaker 1: pass catching upside potentially, But if you're looking for someone
Speaker 1: to kind of come in and maybe share the load
Speaker 1: with b Rob or you know, kind of work out
Speaker 1: that first and second down back, Giddens would be more
Speaker 1: of a fit. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like he's because again, like he's like I said, I
Speaker 1: just compared Malvin Kamara, like he does some really.
Speaker 3: Really special stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think it's he's a guy that we talk
Speaker 1: about this every show like that I would need to
Speaker 1: get an interview with right to get a feel for,
Speaker 1: like how are you actually wired? Are you competitive? Are you?
Speaker 1: It's really the competitiveness.
Speaker 2: So let me say this to you. Then, because I
Speaker 2: really liked him, I did a little more research on him.
Speaker 2: That tends to be what I do. So, Like, first off,
Speaker 2: holy moly, this dude can juke. Like when we're talking
Speaker 2: about like making people miss, like it's hard for defenders
Speaker 2: to just get their hands on them, and like heard,
Speaker 2: contact isn't enough for him, It ignores it. You've got
Speaker 2: to wrap him up or he's going to keep going.
Speaker 2: But here's what I really liked about about him, other
Speaker 2: than like that smooth, gliding jukie running style. He started
Speaker 2: playing high school or started playing football in his senior
Speaker 2: year of high school, really and he was a walk
Speaker 2: on for Kansas State. So that's why he wasn't high.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I think that's why he's not high on people's board
Speaker 2: right now because he's kind of under.
Speaker 1: He's like the tenth back, like he's gonna go.
Speaker 2: To he's going to be higher than I think he's
Speaker 2: I think he's going to end up being like I
Speaker 2: think I sent you my list, Like he's going to
Speaker 2: be up there in this draft class, I think, And
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of this, Like he's still
Speaker 2: raw and he is a grinder and a worker. This
Speaker 2: just feels like a commander to me. Like I'm not
Speaker 2: saying we should take him or we need to take him.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about is like the the the mentality.
Speaker 2: It just feels like I just started playing football. I
Speaker 2: kind of like this, I'm gonna put work in, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna walk on. I'm like nothing's going to be given
Speaker 2: to me, and I'm gonna go take.
Speaker 1: It on your list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like I don't know, that's what I really
Speaker 2: like about him. I like all these bags, by the way,
Speaker 2: Like there's not one that I'm gonna be upset with.
Speaker 1: I think that's the other thing too. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of like what's your flavor kind of like with receiver,
Speaker 1: it's like what's your flavor? What are you looking for?
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that's really hard to determine for
Speaker 1: a team like the Washington Commanders because this Giddings could
Speaker 1: he be a starting caliber back in the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. Could R J. Harvey be a kind
Speaker 1: of a difference making third down darren Sprolls esque type
Speaker 1: of guy, like just as the archetype of that position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just depends on what your what your vision is
Speaker 1: for the offense and how they think he's gonna fit.
Speaker 1: But I think he's a He's a fun player to
Speaker 1: watch again, Like I want to see him finish runs
Speaker 1: a little bit more violently, but makes people miss good
Speaker 1: good vision can maximize money runs. Like he's a really
Speaker 1: good football player. And the fact we're talking about him
Speaker 1: for me at ten, for you at five is interesting.
Speaker 1: And he always like watching the Todd McShay show. He
Speaker 1: has him at fourteen, so obviously, like.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. He's kind of all over the place.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just a guy that watches.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying this to your point though, is
Speaker 1: the difference between five and fourteen in this class is
Speaker 1: not that much because it's because it's stylistically what are
Speaker 1: you looking for? And I think this is like I
Speaker 1: did a draft show for my other podcast recently and
Speaker 1: everyone was freaking out about something and we're doing the
Speaker 1: show off of my evaluations that I do on this show, right,
Speaker 1: And if you disagree with that, that's part of the
Speaker 1: draft process, right, Like if we were in a meeting
Speaker 1: and and you're the running back coach, you say, Man,
Speaker 1: I love Gettin's as the GM. I'm going to put
Speaker 1: him up the board a little bit because I know
Speaker 1: you're excited to work with him. I know you're excited
Speaker 1: for the skill set, and I also think it fits.
Speaker 1: So like that's where like the subjectivity of the draft
Speaker 1: is like at the forefront.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's stay in kind of the Well,
Speaker 2: it's a little bit outside the DMV area, but I
Speaker 2: bet they are Virginia Tech fans around. So number nine
Speaker 2: for you, who is it?
Speaker 1: Basil Tutin from Virginia Tech. And this one was an
Speaker 1: interesting watch for me because like he's he ran the
Speaker 1: fastest forty at the combine. He had crazy jump numbers,
Speaker 1: Like he is an explosive dude. I watched the game
Speaker 1: against Virginia and I was a little disappointed, and so
Speaker 1: came out of it and I was like, man, he's
Speaker 1: trying to bounce every run. He's not got great contact balance,
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? And I kind of got away
Speaker 1: from it, and then I went and watched the game
Speaker 1: he had against Miami, and I watched the game out
Speaker 1: against Florida State, and I was like, this dude is
Speaker 1: an absolute maniac. And it was really weird to see
Speaker 1: just the total difference in thought. Because you watch him
Speaker 1: against Florida State, he's breaking context. You see the lower
Speaker 1: half strength. Obviously, the four to two shows up at
Speaker 1: every time he touches the football. You're like holding your
Speaker 1: breath like he's like everyone says, Oh, he doesn't like
Speaker 1: you've heard this before, Like he doesn't play that fast,
Speaker 1: Like he for sure plays that fast. Right, So he's
Speaker 1: an explosive. He's got a track background, and so I
Speaker 1: thought again, like if you're looking to add juice to
Speaker 1: an offense in the same kind of mold, he's not
Speaker 1: this player, not this player, but like you think about
Speaker 1: what Jamior Gibbs did for the Troy Lions, he's got
Speaker 1: that ability. He's not as big, his acceleration's not as good,
Speaker 1: but I think when he's at his best, he's got
Speaker 1: good lower half.
Speaker 3: Tree're talking about that type of role, that type of
Speaker 3: role right.
Speaker 1: Right, like where it's like you got like a bell
Speaker 1: cow guy, and here's your change up pitch, and it
Speaker 1: is a fastball right down the middle, and no one
Speaker 1: can touch it because he's so damn fast. So I
Speaker 1: think that's the way I view him as a player.
Speaker 1: And again, when you watch the Miami game, breaking tackles, finishing,
Speaker 1: runs square, and his pads up, maximizing muney runs in
Speaker 1: that game, which is something he didn't do in the
Speaker 1: Virginia game. So I almost didn't have my list. Go
Speaker 1: back and watch these two games, I'm like, Okay, he
Speaker 1: feels like a guy that can make a difference in
Speaker 1: an NFL offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And he's like built, dense and thick in the
Speaker 3: lower en yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like on film he looks sick at the combine.
Speaker 1: When we saw him, didn't look that way, but on
Speaker 1: film he looks like a little bit like a muscle
Speaker 1: hamster kind of guy.
Speaker 3: All Right, So number eight for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah for me, is this is maybe maybe my favorite
Speaker 1: running back in the entire class.
Speaker 3: Okay, So why at number eight.
Speaker 1: Then, Smith Smu I think partially because it's like role.
Speaker 1: It's like where he goes is gonna be really important.
Speaker 1: So he's a converted wide receiver from SMU and I
Speaker 1: love his like slashing style, like you get in the
Speaker 1: football inside zone, Like there's certain guys you get in
Speaker 1: the ball and it's like you don't you don't hold
Speaker 1: your breath, you know. Like even though R. J. Harvey
Speaker 1: is really fast, I'm not like like with him because
Speaker 1: of how he hits the hole, how he gets downhill,
Speaker 1: how he crosses lines, and how he can get make
Speaker 1: people miss. The next level, I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this guy to touch the football.
Speaker 2: He looks like a wide receiver running the ball, not
Speaker 2: in his build, but in like the way like you said,
Speaker 2: hard cuts.
Speaker 1: Hard cuts, gets downhill, can make people miss, and I
Speaker 1: just like, this is what you want in an offense
Speaker 1: that spreads people out. This is a playmaker. This is
Speaker 1: a playmaker, right And the other thing that I loved
Speaker 1: about him, absolutely loved about him, was he's a converted
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So you put him in the slot. You
Speaker 1: can run a fade, you can run a double move,
Speaker 1: you can run a post and go. He's got the
Speaker 1: hands run a choice, and he tracks the football. One
Speaker 1: I thought, just from an offensive personnel standpoint, a player
Speaker 1: like this is a total nightmare to game plan for
Speaker 1: because like we can be an empty personnel shoot even
Speaker 1: here for the commanders, like we could have Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: on the field. He can be on the field that
Speaker 1: we could be in that could be that could be
Speaker 1: twenty one personnel pony twenty one personnel for us, or
Speaker 1: we could be an empty And now you've got to
Speaker 1: match up with all these really good playmatages, like if
Speaker 1: he's in a Kyle Shanahan offense, that kind of tree,
Speaker 1: if he's here with Cliff someone that knows how to
Speaker 1: use that skill set, that is a devastating weapon because
Speaker 1: how he tracks the football.
Speaker 2: That's so funny you said that. My last thing I
Speaker 2: put on here was my God, could you imagine in
Speaker 2: the field with Jayden, b Rob and Deebo it would
Speaker 2: be because defense is how do you don't how do
Speaker 2: you match up with that? There's so many options that
Speaker 2: can come out of that. Yeah, man, he is Joe
Speaker 2: a dynamic weapon. He also has speed that looks like
Speaker 2: you know in Fast and Furious when they push that
Speaker 2: little knas button. He's a competitive extra juice it there,
Speaker 2: like man, he goes And.
Speaker 1: It's funny because even though Basil twone ran a faster forty.
Speaker 1: There's times on film where I feel like Brishard Smith.
Speaker 1: It just ye, it's like he gets a little competitive,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's just out running angles. And the
Speaker 1: reason he's eight on my list is I do feel
Speaker 1: like he's a little bit situational. Like we talked about
Speaker 1: all the things he can be. He's he's a little
Speaker 1: up and down in protection. He Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: does it okay with money runs, but he doesn't maximize
Speaker 1: Muney runs because he's not the biggest guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he's six foot, he's one hundred and ninety five pounds,
Speaker 1: you know. But I dude, I I love him. I
Speaker 1: love I love what he could bring to an offense
Speaker 1: just because yeah, like watching it, like again, this is
Speaker 1: he's we're not talking about receivers here, but like he
Speaker 1: ran like a little like box fade and like mosses
Speaker 1: the linebacker, And I'm like, running backs can't do that.
Speaker 1: They're not built to do that. So to get that
Speaker 1: skill set and offense would be tremendous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I don't want to say a luxury pick,
Speaker 2: but like I'm not I don't think anyone's drafting him,
Speaker 2: going Okay, we're gonna groom this guy into be an
Speaker 2: every down.
Speaker 3: Back for us.
Speaker 2: Maybe he gets here in his career, but it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: how can we put pressure on defenses and just putting
Speaker 2: this guy on the field. And let me tell you
Speaker 2: another thing. I think he'll be a special team star,
Speaker 2: immediately return guy. Immediately he'll do yeah.
Speaker 1: Because he is, like I will say, like for a
Speaker 1: guy who's going to urt a receiver, he runs hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he runs. He reminds me a little bit of Debo
Speaker 1: in that way, like he's a receiver, but he's like
Speaker 1: gonna square his pads up, he's gonna try and run
Speaker 1: you over. And again he's more of a shiftier guy,
Speaker 1: but he runs with good pad like he's got a
Speaker 1: bunch of goal line runs on tape where he gets
Speaker 1: his pad square and like you know, it's able to
Speaker 1: find the crease and cramming in there. So I really
Speaker 1: like what I like the thought of him. Again, situation
Speaker 1: is really important. Usage is really important. And again, like
Speaker 1: you said it kind of a luxury. I think that's
Speaker 1: really good. Uh like analysis like kind of a luxury.
Speaker 1: Like he's not gonna be your starting running back, not
Speaker 1: right away?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, So let's go down to Tennessee
Speaker 2: and talk about Dylan Sampson Number Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a lot of people I know really enjoy
Speaker 1: watching his film, and he's a guy that I didn't
Speaker 1: love on first cut because what I did this for
Speaker 1: the running backs. I watched the highlight and then I
Speaker 1: went and watched the film, Okay, and I felt like
Speaker 1: the film was a lot better than the highlight because again,
Speaker 1: when you watch the Tennessee tape, they're in this like
Speaker 1: spreadout offense. There's light boxes like you've got to make
Speaker 1: they really don't have to make anybody miss because they're
Speaker 1: playing in these soft coverage shells, and you're like, how
Speaker 1: good is this? But then you watch the film and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, like, here's a guy running through the
Speaker 1: A gap, he makes a miss, he finds the hole.
Speaker 1: That's a five yard run. They should have been a
Speaker 1: three yard loss. Kind of like that thing I was
Speaker 1: talking about with Muddy Runs. I felt like there was
Speaker 1: a lot of really good feel for Muddy runs, and
Speaker 1: he's got some explosive high home run ability to him.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's okay in pass protection right,
Speaker 1: which is why he's ahead of some of those other guys.
Speaker 1: And I do feel like he could project to a
Speaker 1: bigger role in an offense, maybe not like maybe not
Speaker 1: every down, but definitely like a rotational guy in first down.
Speaker 1: Like it's interesting, Like I kind of looking back on it,
Speaker 1: I probably should DJ Giddens higher because I think he
Speaker 1: could be a starting caliber running back, like be your guy,
Speaker 1: So he probably should have been higher. But Dylan Smith,
Speaker 1: I think has that kind of the ability to do
Speaker 1: something really explosive but also do the hard stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: I just worry about his body size at the next level,
Speaker 1: but really like the player, really like very just very
Speaker 1: solid film I felt like.
Speaker 2: And speaking of his body size, here's the thing that
Speaker 2: translates that I'm going to bring up a couple of
Speaker 2: times because unfortunately it pops up in this class. He
Speaker 2: had four fumbles lost this past season, has a little
Speaker 2: bit of trouble holding on to the ball.
Speaker 3: I think that's.
Speaker 2: Because of his size, and like you were talking about,
Speaker 2: he doesn't mind the muddy runs and that you mentioned
Speaker 2: this before. Maybe it's a mentality thing with him that
Speaker 2: can get kind of cleaned up where it's like take
Speaker 2: the yards that are given to you because sometimes fighting
Speaker 2: for that extra yard is that extra time for that
Speaker 2: and other defender to come and he yanked that ball
Speaker 2: out from you. But if he cleans that up, I
Speaker 2: agree with you and everything.
Speaker 1: Again, you know, we talked about, you know, Basil Tuten's
Speaker 1: pass pro or r. J. Harvey's pass pro. Dylan Simpson,
Speaker 1: there's times where he looks totally lost in passpor like
Speaker 1: lost in passpor And again I was trying to remember
Speaker 1: which game was maybe Alabama or Georgia game, right, And
Speaker 1: Georgia does some complicated stuff with their pressures, more complicated
Speaker 1: stuff than that sm you saw the entire year, right,
Speaker 1: So to compare them is tough. But there's times where
Speaker 1: I'm like where your eyes, Like what are you looking at?
Speaker 1: And you know, like with Rishard Smith, Basil twon, r J. Harvey,
Speaker 1: like they're going to cut you down. They're not the
Speaker 1: biggest guys in the world. But I'm talking Dylan Simpson's
Speaker 1: like not going to the right guy sometimes. So yeah,
Speaker 1: getting that cleared up, I think is going to be
Speaker 1: a big deal for him. But really just in terms
Speaker 1: of the muddy runs, ability to maximize good contact balance,
Speaker 1: like all those things we talked about. The top good vision.
Speaker 1: I feel like he showed me the more film I
Speaker 1: watched in a big game against Georgia an NFL running style.
Speaker 3: Your number six is probably my favorite.
Speaker 1: He's a fun guy to watch.
Speaker 3: He's my favorite.
Speaker 2: He's so like, so let's oh no, let's talk about
Speaker 2: Cam Skataboo from Arizona State.
Speaker 3: I want to get his name in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the same way that Vishard Smith is like
Speaker 1: my favorite because of what he can be like when
Speaker 1: you're just watching the film. Cam Skattaboo is a ton
Speaker 1: of fun to watch. And he's got great contact balance.
Speaker 1: He understands how to break tackles, he knows how to
Speaker 1: maximize money runs. He's got very solid vision, he's got
Speaker 1: a great feel. He catches the ball well, like really
Speaker 1: does a great job with that stuff. So why don't
Speaker 1: you Why is he number six on my list? The
Speaker 1: thing I'm worried about is he's not a big frame.
Speaker 1: You know, he waged two nineteen one of the heavier backs,
Speaker 1: So pretty big guy, right, But he takes so many
Speaker 1: impossibly hard shots. I'm like, how long can you do that?
Speaker 1: The NFL level? Like I played it with a guy
Speaker 1: here named Robert Kelly, and maybe some fans remember him,
Speaker 1: who ran like an absolute maniac, and I just said, man,
Speaker 1: I was I remember I went to the Bears right
Speaker 1: afterwards and said, man, I really enjoyed playing with Rob
Speaker 1: because he runs so hard. And the scout was like, well,
Speaker 1: how many years can he do that for? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I never really thought of that. And Rob
Speaker 1: was out of the league in two years because of
Speaker 1: injury related stuff because he just ran so hard. It
Speaker 1: was the same thing with Ivory from you know, New Orleans.
Speaker 1: He just when you run like that, when you run
Speaker 1: with like seeking that contact, taking those shots, and you
Speaker 1: don't have a Derrick Henry, you know, tyle frame, I
Speaker 1: just worry like you're going to have him for three
Speaker 1: years and it's gonna be like, man, that was awesome
Speaker 1: three years, but he's done so again contact balance, like
Speaker 1: watching him against Texas, So Texas they've got Collins, they've
Speaker 1: got all these great defensive linemen. They're in the backfield.
Speaker 1: He's making guys, he's fine an angles, making guys miss
Speaker 1: like literally every run, he's fighting for his life. And
Speaker 1: that's cool to see a guy do that. And I
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for him as a player,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, I want a guy, if I'm
Speaker 1: going to take him in the second or third round,
Speaker 1: to be a part of me building forward. And if
Speaker 1: you run like that. He hasn't had an issue in college.
Speaker 1: He's not very injury prone, but it just seems very
Speaker 1: unlikely with how our people hit and how well people
Speaker 1: tackle the next level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely lives off the contact like. I don't
Speaker 2: see him ever eliminating that from his game. It's part
Speaker 2: of his mentality, it's part of who he is, it's
Speaker 2: part of what makes him great. He is a smaller guy. Hey,
Speaker 2: look the fumbles are back again. He has ten since
Speaker 2: is twenty twenty two season. That's a lot of fumbles.
Speaker 2: But it makes sense with the way he runs and
Speaker 2: how it like. But here's the thing, all right, one
Speaker 2: draft night, Cam Skataboo is going to go higher than
Speaker 2: anyone expects.
Speaker 3: A team is going to fall in love with this.
Speaker 2: Guy, and he because of how he plays and because
Speaker 2: of what he can do and all the positives that
Speaker 2: come with it. And I hear what you're saying about
Speaker 2: like the longevity of this, But there are other players
Speaker 2: that I've found that play like him that had pretty
Speaker 2: solid careers. So when I watched him run, he looks
Speaker 2: like Austin Eckler to me, same size, same type of frame,
Speaker 2: same mentality he And here's the thing, man, he has
Speaker 2: weird loose hips even though he's not juke anybody. Right,
Speaker 2: there's a nice clip where the uh we were able
Speaker 2: to get the end zone look like the tight end
Speaker 2: zone look from the TV broadcast where he's running straight
Speaker 2: and his feet don't.
Speaker 3: Move, they say on the same line, but his.
Speaker 2: Hips just shift and a guy just whiffs right, Like
Speaker 2: it's that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: That way he can wiggle and run. And then at
Speaker 3: the end of that play, he.
Speaker 2: Lowers his shoulder and runs a guy over for another
Speaker 2: two yards, right, Like that's who he is, and some
Speaker 2: team's going to see that.
Speaker 1: And go whoa, Yeah, I think again, like the stuff
Speaker 1: he does is special and the other so worry about
Speaker 1: the longevity. And also I worry about his top end
Speaker 1: vertical speed. You know, that's something else I worry about too.
Speaker 3: I don't know that it matters for him, to be honest.
Speaker 1: But again, like there's times where he's in the open
Speaker 1: field and you're like, unhook the trailer man. Let's get running.
Speaker 1: And so I think maybe I'll say this is my
Speaker 1: own bias as a talent evaluator. I like to be
Speaker 1: able to like, this is the bucket you're going in.
Speaker 1: You're a scat back, You're an explosive piece. You're a
Speaker 1: first and second down back, right, I like to be
Speaker 1: able to say that about people. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what he is at the next level. Is he
Speaker 1: a third down back? Is her first and second down back?
Speaker 1: You know, like talking about here in Washington. I think
Speaker 1: he'd be a great fit for some of his zone
Speaker 1: read stuff because he can maximize muddy looks. But do
Speaker 1: you want to be living with him doing that all
Speaker 1: the time or is he part of a first and
Speaker 1: second down two back rotation, which you're probably fine, But again,
Speaker 1: like that's where I get like, you got to save
Speaker 1: him from himself a little bit, and he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be playing all the time because of that. So, like,
Speaker 1: what's his actually? Is he a good player? Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Is he fun to watch? Absolutely? Can he catch a football,
Speaker 1: maximize money runs, good vision, good contact, bounce. Yes, it
Speaker 1: lacks the top end explosiveness, But I worry about role
Speaker 1: and that's that's the only concern I have.
Speaker 2: His role over one more thing I'm bringing up not
Speaker 2: to be just to be Devil's advocate, I guess a
Speaker 2: little bit, but I want to hear your take on this.
Speaker 2: Is last year we talked a lot about Jaye and
Speaker 2: Daniels and the types of hits he took and the
Speaker 2: types of ways he ran. And you're like, man, we
Speaker 2: got to clean that up because you cannot do that
Speaker 2: in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And he cleaned it.
Speaker 2: Up, and like it's competitiveness, and he says, I'm going
Speaker 2: to put my body on the line in certain situations where.
Speaker 3: It's needed running back. You can't really do that, right,
Speaker 3: So out of him a little bit, or do you
Speaker 3: even want to?
Speaker 1: Do you want to? I think that's the thing with
Speaker 1: him is like I never want to go to Camp
Speaker 1: Scataboo and be like, don't do that, because that's what
Speaker 1: makes him special. Like he's like a crash test dummy
Speaker 1: that like has a million lives and he runs like
Speaker 1: a maniac. He's got great balance. And again, his ability
Speaker 1: to take a lost run, break a tackle, make a
Speaker 1: guy miss, get you back to two is literally incredible,
Speaker 1: Like it's incredible to watch. It's but like I was
Speaker 1: watching who they were playing Arizona and he took one
Speaker 1: of the hardest hits I've ever seen on like a
Speaker 1: four yard game, and I'm just like, god, man, like,
Speaker 1: you don't need to be living like that all the time.
Speaker 1: But that's who he is and that's why you love him.
Speaker 1: It's just what does that look like? Is that as
Speaker 1: who else took that hit? The defender?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's another day. I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just like,
Speaker 2: he's a part of me with like my my jag mentality.
Speaker 2: This is dumb, just a guy thinking. Is like sometimes
Speaker 2: I sit back and I go, all right, if he
Speaker 2: were on a team that I dislike, like the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: and we were playing them that week, I would be like,
Speaker 2: I don't like this. And that is something I put
Speaker 2: into it, is like I would rather I want this
Speaker 2: guy on my team.
Speaker 3: I do not want to play against him.
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to say to this, and
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a great point is I might
Speaker 1: be okay with it because of the lack of explosiveness
Speaker 1: in the touches. That's the other thing too, is you're
Speaker 1: gonna like there's times where like that he makes a
Speaker 1: nice read and he's in space and I want basiltoot
Speaker 1: and getting that touch, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: that's a touchdown. Yeah here, and with him it's a
Speaker 1: it's a sick run. It's a ten yard game. But
Speaker 1: I want you know, Brishard Smith, Basil Tuton and r
Speaker 1: J Harvey shoot, even DJ Gidden's getting that touch because
Speaker 1: that's that could be a Toiles house call, you know,
Speaker 1: because of the explosiveness of their game. So that's where
Speaker 1: if another team's given him a lot of touches, great,
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna run hard, he's going to make it tough.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be in a lot of good down and
Speaker 1: distance as an offensive quarter and that's really frustrating. But ultimately,
Speaker 1: like he's not going to kill you the way that
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. Like what makes Sakuon Barkley special?
Speaker 1: What makes uh the guy from Detroit special? The running
Speaker 1: back I can't remember his name right now, but you
Speaker 1: know what makes yeah gives what makes him special, it's
Speaker 1: that home run ability.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing.
Speaker 2: If he goes to the Eagles, Like if that was
Speaker 2: a thing, and he's sus like relief, Like I am,
Speaker 2: I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: But I think that's the thing. It's like they have
Speaker 1: they just they just signed aj Dillon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying it's going to happen. It's it's
Speaker 3: that weird.
Speaker 1: I think I'd probably, I think i'd be okay with it,
Speaker 1: because again, he's he's gonna run hard, but he's not
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be death by a thousand cuts, and
Speaker 1: teams don't play that way anymore. I mean, Philly maybe does,
Speaker 1: but like on the whole, like it's the lack of
Speaker 1: explosiveness is a big thing for me too, and plus
Speaker 1: the play style, like I just don't know how sustainable
Speaker 1: it All.
Speaker 3: Right, let's move on the number five for you.
Speaker 2: And it's our first running back from Ohio State, which
Speaker 2: one is it?
Speaker 1: Logan quin Shawn Jenkins from Ohio State. And I was
Speaker 1: it was weird. It was weird watching this film. I
Speaker 1: was happy with this film, but also a little bit
Speaker 1: disappointed with this film. I think I had this expectation
Speaker 1: that he was going to be and like so I
Speaker 1: kind of broke the backs up into tiers. I thought
Speaker 1: he was going to be in that kind of first tier,
Speaker 1: fringe first tier the way a couple other guys are.
Speaker 1: But he play's physical, he's great in past protection, he's good,
Speaker 1: he's a good blocker, runs hard. He kind of got
Speaker 1: this like my ability to accelerate through and into contact
Speaker 1: at a high level. Like all this stuff about finishing runs,
Speaker 1: the physicality that kind of football players, football player, it's
Speaker 1: all there for him. And he's a bigger body frame
Speaker 1: than Skataboo, and he understands kind of like when the
Speaker 1: fight's over a little bit better than Skataboo, which I appreciate.
Speaker 1: So I liked the player. The thing that stood out
Speaker 1: to me is I felt like there were times where
Speaker 1: like he's trying to make the right cut but gets
Speaker 1: a little bit foot heavy in the hole, and a
Speaker 1: gain where he's like going in the right direction could
Speaker 1: have been a five six yard gain, is a tackle
Speaker 1: for one or a loss of one because of some
Speaker 1: footwork stuff at and around the line of scrimmage. So
Speaker 1: I think I like the football player. I like what
Speaker 1: he brings. I like his projection a lot too. I
Speaker 1: think he could be a really good again one to
Speaker 1: two in the NFL because of the physicality that he
Speaker 1: plays with, but I think he needs to clean up
Speaker 1: some stuff in terms of vision at and around the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage when runs aren't perfectly blocked. I think
Speaker 1: would be the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not overly shifty, yes, right of a runner,
Speaker 2: but man, doesn't he have like a silly acceleration through
Speaker 2: the hole. I mean when he hits it, it's good,
Speaker 2: it's fast, and it's faster than you think it would
Speaker 2: be for a guy his size.
Speaker 1: He's like two twenty one and he's not like top
Speaker 1: end fast, but again, like he's got this.
Speaker 3: It's that burst.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he's got that. Man, we talked about acceleration. Now,
Speaker 1: that's important for a back. He's got that kind of
Speaker 1: factor to him. And he's not going to be hitting
Speaker 1: a ton of home runs, but he's going to gash
Speaker 1: you and hard, and he's big and he's physical, and
Speaker 1: I just the only reason I'm not a little bit
Speaker 1: higher on him, and there's the guy that's at four
Speaker 1: is above him, is I just worry about the vision. Man.
Speaker 1: Just it was something that came out. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's just one game. Watch the next game would pop
Speaker 1: up A couple of times you're like, man, like that
Speaker 1: seems like something that's pretty consistent for him, right, and
Speaker 1: everything else is really good. So like I didn't really
Speaker 1: know what to do with him, so popped him right
Speaker 1: there in the middle instead of like the projection like
Speaker 1: what he can be like his kind of attitude and
Speaker 1: approach hopefully gets that figured out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I mentioned this analogy before, or like
Speaker 2: how cars run, Like a lot of people get caught
Speaker 2: up in the horsepower. It's like, oh man, it's got
Speaker 2: great horse power, but there's another thing that's involved.
Speaker 3: It's the torque.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Torque means how quickly do you get from basically zero
Speaker 2: to sixty?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: How fast is that?
Speaker 2: The immediate right off the line, Because you can do
Speaker 2: a drag race at a quarter mile and a guy
Speaker 2: can beat you off the line and like get way
Speaker 2: out ahead of you, but he doesn't have the horsepower
Speaker 2: that top speed will catch up and win the race.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have that horsepower, right, but he's to beat
Speaker 2: you off the line like he's got some torque. All right,
Speaker 2: let's move to Caleb Johnson from Iowa. This is your
Speaker 2: number four? Can I say something about him real quick?
Speaker 1: For that?
Speaker 3: I want you to go off of.
Speaker 2: He runs zone so well, and that's what they asked
Speaker 2: him to do all the time. So how do you
Speaker 2: take a zone scheme to running back have him so
Speaker 2: high because maybe you're not running zone all the time
Speaker 2: with him. What did you see with him that says, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're doing a lot of zone in college, but you
Speaker 2: can fit our scheme even if it's not so.
Speaker 1: I think it was just trusting that his vision was
Speaker 1: so good. Okay, it's like he just and again it's
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but like man, like his feel
Speaker 1: was so good, like you know, like, hey, this run
Speaker 1: is not blocked well, but I'm gonna I always kind
Speaker 1: of find the right hole. I find that because I
Speaker 1: didn't honestly like the athletes a little bit mid. For me,
Speaker 1: it's like he's run like a high four to five
Speaker 1: at the combine, didn't jump very well. It doesn't pop
Speaker 1: off on film in terms of like being super explosive
Speaker 1: or twitch you're being able to make people miss. But
Speaker 1: but he just he just does it right. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a bunch of singles right like
Speaker 1: where I'm hitting the right hole all the time. And
Speaker 1: I just was like this is this the floor of
Speaker 1: this is so high, right, Yeah, Like if you put
Speaker 1: him as your starting back or like rotational guy in
Speaker 1: the NFL, like you're not getting maybe the home run
Speaker 1: out of the park shots, but like keep it on schedule.
Speaker 1: It's going to keep you on schedule. And again, he
Speaker 1: does have enough ability at the second level to make
Speaker 1: people miss. He scores a lot of long touchdowns too.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason. I'm not sure if he just didn't
Speaker 1: test well, it'd be interesting to look at the GPS
Speaker 1: stated for him, But I think I think his vision
Speaker 1: was so good, like you know, like if we're talking
Speaker 1: like matting rating, it felt like it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: like we were watching I was watching the Nebraska game
Speaker 1: and the defensive tackle that we scattered for Nebraska was
Speaker 1: killing their offensive guard. But he just was consistent, held
Speaker 1: his line, was making these nice cuts, gashing him for
Speaker 1: forty here, gash him for twenty here, and I just
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is what you This is
Speaker 1: what NFL running is. And maybe that's why I felt
Speaker 1: so good about it. Like I was watching an NFL
Speaker 1: running back run NFL runs and I was like, the
Speaker 1: transfer is like one to one, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why I felt so comfortable about it.
Speaker 2: All Right, let's go to the next Ohio state running
Speaker 2: back and talking about home run hitters and talking about
Speaker 2: drag racing, like this guy is the first fast and
Speaker 2: furious movie, that little VW bug that just like took
Speaker 2: off or it's just a little Jetta, not the bug,
Speaker 2: the little Jetta. But like he doesn't I don't know.
Speaker 2: To me, he doesn't look like there's nothing that looks
Speaker 2: special about him. Yeah, he looks just like your average
Speaker 2: running back. But he's got that gear.
Speaker 1: He's got the gear. And I think the thing is
Speaker 1: like watching him in twenty twenty three, you're kind of
Speaker 1: like a visions a little bit whatever, how hard is
Speaker 1: he running? And then you watch him in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four and you're like, man like his ability to get
Speaker 1: to the right spot in the run, to make someone miss,
Speaker 1: to finish a run downhill, like when you compare him
Speaker 1: to quin Shawn Jenkins, like I like Dunkins a lot,
Speaker 1: but like there was just a polish and explosiveness and
Speaker 1: like a hold your breath factor to his game. And
Speaker 1: just when they needed something like here's a screen versus Texas,
Speaker 1: here's a big space here's a big run versus Oregon
Speaker 1: where I find the right hole and break out. And
Speaker 1: he didn't run a fast He didn't he ran a
Speaker 1: fast forty. He was like a four to two, a
Speaker 1: four to four to two, so not crazy fast, but
Speaker 1: no one catches him, Like, no one catches him, and
Speaker 1: you're just like, what's going on here? Like for example
Speaker 1: versus Texas, like the corner there at number seven, who
Speaker 1: ran a four to three, Like he runs away from him,
Speaker 1: and so you're just kind of like, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Like everyone says, oh, like he's the Gibbs of this
Speaker 1: year's class, And I think Gibbs, like I loved his
Speaker 1: college film. I think he was a little bit different
Speaker 1: than this in terms of explosiveness, acceleration and the and
Speaker 1: the numbers at the combine hash that out. But he's
Speaker 1: got a little bit of that to him. And I
Speaker 1: think he does the other stuff well, like finishing runs,
Speaker 1: getting downhill, and he catches the football well out of
Speaker 1: the backfield, and he feels like a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to be a playmaker for your fence, yeah right away.
Speaker 1: And again probably more of a rotational guy. So if
Speaker 1: you're looking for like a starter, maybe Caleb Johnson's more
Speaker 1: like your cup of tea, you know, because he's a
Speaker 1: bigger guy can take those shots. Maybe even Quichahn Jenkins
Speaker 1: is more that guy. But to me, I just thought
Speaker 1: the explosive playmaking ability of Henderson was just a tick above,
Speaker 1: you know. And like you know, we talked about Brishard
Speaker 1: Smiths and Basiltuton and r J. Howvey, they're very in
Speaker 1: the same mold. But I felt like the level of competition,
Speaker 1: the consistency that he played with and the other stuff,
Speaker 1: the tough runs, the muddy runs, getting to the right
Speaker 1: spot in the read was just was just so consistent
Speaker 1: with Travon Henderson. Like I don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: bad things to say about his film other than that
Speaker 1: he's a little bit small in In twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: he didn't do those things, but I kind of looked
Speaker 1: at that, look at that as a benefit, Like he
Speaker 1: improved in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got better.
Speaker 2: And with the Jamier Gibbs comparison, because I wrote that down,
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't.
Speaker 3: Think I'm saying he's going to be him.
Speaker 2: It's the role, right, that's what you want. You want
Speaker 2: a sonic and knuckles, and he's your sonic if you're
Speaker 2: building that, right, So if you are, you have your knuckles,
Speaker 2: this guy is going to be your sonic.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: He may not be as good as Jamior Gibbs, he
Speaker 2: may not be as exposed good m Gibbs as special. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you saw him in person in that Detroit game where
Speaker 2: the Commanders beat them to beat Detroit and.
Speaker 1: We saw we saw him with the combine man Ran,
Speaker 1: I think it was our four to nine. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's got the same yeah, like it's a different speed, right, but.
Speaker 3: He's not that. But the role is I.
Speaker 1: Think the role could be very similar. And I think
Speaker 1: when you're looking at the running back position, he to
Speaker 1: me embodies the evolution of the position of this dynamic
Speaker 1: playmaking element back there. And I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why if you look at my running back list,
Speaker 1: it's got a lot more value at the in that
Speaker 1: type of slot, because I think those guys change games.
Speaker 1: You need that, you need the knuckles, right, but the
Speaker 1: sonic is the one that's gonna it's going to change
Speaker 1: the way defense is approached.
Speaker 3: Stresses M. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, Number two.
Speaker 1: Dude, these two guys are really good football players.
Speaker 3: How close are all right?
Speaker 2: So your number one is clearly going to be gent Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's every buddies number one.
Speaker 3: There's a reason.
Speaker 2: But it may be closer than people think with these two.
Speaker 2: So how close would you say you have them? Were
Speaker 2: you like debating at all?
Speaker 1: Or are you like I not really, I mean maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit. They're really close, Like it's just closer
Speaker 1: than people think. Yeah, and I think like because like, oh,
Speaker 1: Marion Hampton, I think it's more of a testament to
Speaker 1: Marion Hampton than it is a knock against Ashton. All right, great,
Speaker 1: because like Ashton Genty is dude like man like everything
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we'll talk about him in the soccer. So
Speaker 3: let's do a Maria and.
Speaker 1: Inputs Maryon Hampton, Like, so a Maryon Hampton is big.
Speaker 1: He's bigger than I thought he was. He measured at
Speaker 1: the combine, bigger than I thought he was. He's got
Speaker 1: enough juice to hit a home run. He ran a
Speaker 1: four to four to eighth the combine that shows up
Speaker 1: on film. He's two twenty one, by the way, catches
Speaker 1: the football well and he's got maybe the best contact
Speaker 1: balance in the class, like maybe the best contact ballots
Speaker 1: in the class. So that combination of like you're talking
Speaker 1: about Scataboo maybe or gent like, but he just got this.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys that have it.
Speaker 1: Strong lower half. He can break tackles, and he's explosive
Speaker 1: for a guy that side. So to see it back
Speaker 1: that big that can carry the workload the way he does,
Speaker 1: like he's a starting caliber running back in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and he has pass game upside and he's got explosive ability.
Speaker 1: Like it reminded me of like Eddie George kind of
Speaker 1: you know, that big guy that's got that next gear
Speaker 1: that can run you over then hit the gas. I
Speaker 1: do think I get a little bit on the fence
Speaker 1: about his vision sometimes because he is big. He just
Speaker 1: kind of crams it in there sometimes and like moves
Speaker 1: the pile and then they'll score it out the other side.
Speaker 1: But he's missing the cut. So that's something that I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned about. But I thought the other
Speaker 1: stuff was so was so good, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like the contact balance, the home run ability, the way
Speaker 1: he caught the football, like so he's able to make
Speaker 1: people miss like's it was really good film. It was
Speaker 1: really good running back film, and like then when I
Speaker 1: went through it, it was like definitively like, Okay, these
Speaker 1: two are up here. And then there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a step to kind of the next group, which
Speaker 1: would be like Trevon Henderson, Caleb Johnson, quinch On Jenkins,
Speaker 1: and then Scataboy and then there was like another step
Speaker 1: down just in terms of like quality of prospect.
Speaker 2: Hampton is a big guy who runs like a little
Speaker 2: guy but isn't afraid to run like a big guy.
Speaker 1: Dude. I think that's a great one. I think you
Speaker 1: captured the what he is, the dichotomy of what he
Speaker 1: is so well there because he can do little guy
Speaker 1: stuff and he does it well, but he.
Speaker 3: Also is big by the sacrifice of that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And so usually you get a guy like
Speaker 1: sometimes you get big guys you run small, and he
Speaker 1: can do small guy stuff, but he runs with such power,
Speaker 1: like he's like his lower half. I'd be interesting to
Speaker 1: see him like what he squats and stuff. He's got
Speaker 1: like such good balance and his ability to absorb contact
Speaker 1: is just different.
Speaker 2: And when you said like he'll hit a hole and
Speaker 2: like he's somehow like pout out the other side, like
Speaker 2: you spoke to that, I was like, I don't know
Speaker 2: how he gets so skinny and those holes. I don't
Speaker 2: see it. I can't quite see it. It's just he
Speaker 2: hits it. You're like, okay, there's a three are what
Speaker 2: it's ten yards? Just kind of like, I don't know
Speaker 2: how he does and.
Speaker 1: I think it's just he's he seems really really strong,
Speaker 1: like a really really strong football player, and it just
Speaker 1: felt like a little bit like a man playing with
Speaker 1: amongst boys at Carolina. So when he was at North Carolina,
Speaker 1: so I really like the prospect. I like him a
Speaker 1: lot more so people were like, would you take a
Speaker 1: running back of twenty nine? And I kind of was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not a first round running back guy, and I'm
Speaker 1: not a first round running back guy, but I think
Speaker 1: I would take either one of the one of the
Speaker 1: top two at that spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going. I think he's going to be a
Speaker 2: true third down back. Third down back, I mean I
Speaker 2: mean three down Yeah, that's what I think, because he could.
Speaker 3: Catch the ball, he can run hard, and he can
Speaker 3: be ex.
Speaker 1: I forget what game it was, but I saw him.
Speaker 1: He caught a screen and you're like, he's great vision
Speaker 1: to set the screen up. Great catch on the screen,
Speaker 1: kind of a weird throw, cut the ball awkwardly and
Speaker 1: then breaks a tackle, makes a guy miss, and then
Speaker 1: has enough juice to just finish the run. It was
Speaker 1: like a sixty yard reception for a touchdown. You know,
Speaker 1: he had sixty catches this over sixty catches this last
Speaker 1: year in college. Like, yeah, dude, he's uh, he's like
Speaker 1: someone said, Joe Mixon. I think he's a little he plays.
Speaker 1: He plays bigger than Joe Mixon to me. And so
Speaker 1: like that's where the Eddie George Komp feels a little
Speaker 1: bit more real to me.
Speaker 2: I like that comp a lot, all right, Boise State,
Speaker 2: Ashton Gent He's pretty much to consensus number one.
Speaker 3: You kind of see why, right, Like there's not too.
Speaker 1: Much the level of competition. Maybe it would be the
Speaker 1: only thing.
Speaker 3: He's a little smaller.
Speaker 2: Yeah five and a half yeah, five nine, like a
Speaker 2: little bit smaller.
Speaker 1: But what do you wait too? Ten two eleven to
Speaker 1: eleven Yeah, so good size for a guy that height.
Speaker 1: But so maybe the number one statistic that I look
Speaker 1: at with running backs when I'm evaluating them is miss
Speaker 1: tackles forced. And he has the highest misstackles force rate
Speaker 1: in the history of PFF keeping that metric, it's crazy
Speaker 1: and it's almost a full half point, which is a
Speaker 1: significant fifty percent higher than are full twenty five percent
Speaker 1: higher than John Robinson who had the highest rate prior
Speaker 1: to that. So when you watch the film, like again,
Speaker 1: Penn State, everyone gives them, gives them crap about the
Speaker 1: Penn State game.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why, dude, you've.
Speaker 1: Made everybody miss He took like he took one yard
Speaker 1: losses and tournament of five yard games consistently.
Speaker 2: So Penn State one of the best defenses this past year.
Speaker 2: All right, Abdul Carter's on that team. He was, he
Speaker 2: was a little banged up, but he was out there playing.
Speaker 2: They have they have several draftable players on defense on
Speaker 2: that team. Who on Boise? Are they keenan one? Do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean aston gents, and that's it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: nobody's sole goal.
Speaker 2: So you have draftable NFL defensive players on the other
Speaker 2: line in a great college defense that are saying, you're
Speaker 2: the only guy we're trying to stop. And while Boise
Speaker 2: lost the game, he still got his he still carried
Speaker 2: the ball, He still make guys missed. There weren't those
Speaker 2: big explosive things that you see in like the level
Speaker 2: of competition. That's probably why his stats were so gaudy
Speaker 2: as some other schools, like.
Speaker 1: Well could get like when you're playing like a corn
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell school is playing, like he makes
Speaker 1: the two guys miss and then and then then he's
Speaker 1: sitting home run. Yeah for some here, but like it
Speaker 1: was to me in some ways, the Penn State game
Speaker 1: was like more impressive in the same way like the
Speaker 1: Texas game for Camp Scataboo was incredibly impressive. Like there's
Speaker 1: no big runs in that game, but we're we're doing
Speaker 1: the running back stuff right at a really high level.
Speaker 2: You're giving your team a chance to win, right, and
Speaker 2: you know what. They also played Oregon. Yeah, he did
Speaker 2: really well against Oregon. Oregon's they're not a Penn State defense,
Speaker 2: but they're good a defensive players.
Speaker 1: Think about when we did defensive line rankings, they have
Speaker 1: defensive tackles that we both like, right, they got an
Speaker 1: edge and Birch, who's one of the biggest strongest guys
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Like, they have a linebacker who'll be
Speaker 1: probably top fifteen in the draft. This year, So like
Speaker 1: what do you want from him? Right? Right?
Speaker 3: Like he catches the.
Speaker 1: Ball, he doesn't, I guess people say I didn't catch
Speaker 1: the ball a ton like when they throw it to
Speaker 1: him and cut the ball fine, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fine, Yeah, he's fine catching the ball. I
Speaker 2: think I think he's better than catching the ball than
Speaker 2: people think. I think he hasn't ice hands. The thing
Speaker 2: about him is like it's the contact balance. I think
Speaker 2: it's elite, right, like better than some of these guys.
Speaker 2: You know, you ever watch Jurassic World. You have kids,
Speaker 2: you know that, remember when they get in like that
Speaker 2: gyro spear where they're rolling out of the dinosaurs just
Speaker 2: hitting them And it doesn't matter how hard this dinosaurs
Speaker 2: hitting them, it just stays. That's him, Like he's a
Speaker 2: small little dude. People are hitting them. He's just well,
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's just still going like that. It's
Speaker 2: a cop for one thing with him, Like he's kind
Speaker 2: of like a minime Le'Veon bell le'vy on bell is better.
Speaker 2: But like I feel like he runs kind of like
Speaker 2: that patient and then quick bursts.
Speaker 3: I mean it's perfect, like the style.
Speaker 1: And he ran. And I think the other thing too
Speaker 1: about him is Le'Veon Bell was good, but like, I've
Speaker 1: never seen anybody force misstackles the way this guy forced. Mister. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's the stuff.
Speaker 1: You're talking about, like it's it's like sometimes they run
Speaker 1: you over. But he also has this ability to like
Speaker 1: just change the angle. You were talking about it with
Speaker 1: J Harvey. R. J Harvey just changed the angle on
Speaker 1: just a little bit where the guy misses and then
Speaker 1: I'm keeping my balance, like and then I'm able to
Speaker 1: accelerate his ability to It's he's a special prospect, man,
Speaker 1: And I think you see that. I didn't really get
Speaker 1: it until I watched him, but you see why people
Speaker 1: have him as like a top five prospect in the
Speaker 1: entire class, and it's because of his ability to elevate
Speaker 1: offensive lineman again to make people miss it a way
Speaker 1: that nobody prior to this has been able to do.
Speaker 1: So I think both these guys are really good. On
Speaker 1: Myra Hampton and National Gent. I mean, shoot, I think
Speaker 1: all these guys are good. I think they're all going
Speaker 1: to play, going to make an impact on NFL roster.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the ability to consistently make people
Speaker 1: miss was so unique to him, you know, I loved
Speaker 1: Jon Robinson film. I loved it, and I thought this
Speaker 1: film was better.
Speaker 3: Like he's just as smooth.
Speaker 1: It looks just as smooth like that. That's that's a
Speaker 1: good way, the smoothness. But just I can make you
Speaker 1: miss by juking you. I can make you miss by
Speaker 1: changing my angle. I can make you miss through acceleration.
Speaker 1: I can make you miss through running you over like
Speaker 1: it was it was. There's not a lot of bad
Speaker 1: things to say. And I even if if you're one
Speaker 1: of criticisms of the Penn Stake, like, I don't really
Speaker 1: care because I actually liked that film a lot, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I fumbled once. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: why you're upset about it, but it was a good
Speaker 1: film to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So here's here's why I think about this draft class overall,
Speaker 2: and that uh, there's this standing now that is kind
Speaker 2: of out there where it's running back so.
Speaker 3: You can just get later, so you just don't draft
Speaker 3: them high.
Speaker 2: And then you have these blue chippers come along like
Speaker 2: a Bijon like Jamior Gibbs, right like, and they go
Speaker 2: higher than people anticipate. Maybe not Bijean, but like Gibbs
Speaker 2: did when he went to the lines. It was like
Speaker 2: a surprise.
Speaker 1: I was really high on him. I love Gibbs, and
Speaker 1: I was like, no second round place.
Speaker 3: You could get one there. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: When you're drafting a running back or it seems like,
Speaker 2: if you're going to draft a running back, if your
Speaker 2: team is set to have the star running back, just
Speaker 2: take them, even if it's in the first round. And Saquon,
Speaker 2: I think, is a great example of this. The Giants
Speaker 2: drafted them really high. Saquon's talent was never in doubt,
Speaker 2: but they were ready for him to be on that
Speaker 2: Giants team. He goes to the Eagles and look what
Speaker 2: happens because they're ready to have that star running back.
Speaker 2: So if Genty, Hampton, like these guys go to a
Speaker 2: team that is ready, they are going to be stars
Speaker 2: right away. And I don't think that there is that
Speaker 2: mitigating risk you talk about.
Speaker 3: I think it's gone at that point.
Speaker 2: If you're not set with your offensive line, if you're
Speaker 2: not set with your offense, if you don't feel comfortable
Speaker 2: and you take Ashton Genty, he's not going to do
Speaker 2: anything for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the thing about Ashton Genty, which
Speaker 1: makes him maybe unique in this situation compared to Saquan specifically,
Speaker 1: is Ashton Genty is like he does his vision, his
Speaker 1: ability to find cuts, his ability to maximize money runs
Speaker 1: is good. It's like a plus, and sae Quon's was
Speaker 1: never there. Right, So maybe you could bring a guy
Speaker 1: like this in kind of like Rhys Jones Drew did
Speaker 1: when he went to Jackson Jacksonville, right, and make your
Speaker 1: offensive line better because they're so good at the running
Speaker 1: back stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's not going to elevate, but what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying it's like it that's it's just a different kind
Speaker 1: of prospect, but it's your analysis one hundred percent sound.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like he's even more unique than that
Speaker 1: because of this other stuff that he does so well.
Speaker 1: So I could see a team and like we'll shoot well,
Speaker 1: we think like Las Vegas for example, like our offensive
Speaker 1: line is not great, but he's so good at what
Speaker 1: he does that we might not be getting peak Ashton
Speaker 1: Genty the way that Philly got the peak Peace Stateman Barkley,
Speaker 1: but he's going to make us better this year because
Speaker 1: of his talent.
Speaker 2: Well, let me say to that that's perfectly fine. Like
Speaker 2: a team can do that, but have a plan for.
Speaker 1: Him, right, that's the thing plan for all these guys really, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like if you're going to take gent now
Speaker 2: and it's like blue Chipper, we want him on our team.
Speaker 2: He's going to elevate us, then you need to say, also,
Speaker 2: I'm committed to making this line better immediately, whether it's
Speaker 2: next year or the year after, Like I'm going to
Speaker 2: focus on that to maximize what we have here, because
Speaker 2: you'll run into a situation that we see I think
Speaker 2: quite often, and is why the conversation is, we'll just
Speaker 2: take a later round running back because later around running
Speaker 2: backs can perform very well with good offensive line. But
Speaker 2: a special running back with a good offensive line, that's
Speaker 2: where the magic acts.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think we're just talking about it,
Speaker 1: like DJ Gidden's a good football player. Is he going
Speaker 1: to make your team better?
Speaker 3: If you have a good offensive line and you draft him,
Speaker 3: he's going to be great.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2: But if you have a bad offensive line you draft him,
Speaker 2: he's going to struggle. But they all will. Right, It's
Speaker 2: like again, gent Hampton. They may elevate it a little
Speaker 2: bit and have good seasons.
Speaker 1: But that's why they're in a different tier than the
Speaker 1: exactly right. Yeah, and that was fun.
Speaker 3: Run running backs was great.
Speaker 1: Running backs is fun, and it was fun because they're good,
Speaker 1: like they're good players, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: again it's kind of like what flavor ice cream you're
Speaker 1: looking for? You looking for the big guy, looking for
Speaker 1: the small guy. And we'll say there's not a bunch
Speaker 1: of really great power runners this year, but in terms
Speaker 1: of guys that can elevate your offense and make plays,
Speaker 1: it's an exciting class.
Speaker 2: And for our Commanders fans, there are a lot of
Speaker 2: running backs here, a lot of them that if they
Speaker 2: come here with what Cliff has going, I think that's
Speaker 2: Jaden and what you already have in that room with
Speaker 2: b Robin Eckler and McNicol, right, Like with those guys
Speaker 2: in there, adding a young piece that compliments with what
Speaker 2: they're trying to do or adds another stress to the
Speaker 2: defenses we're playing, I think I think there are a
Speaker 2: lot of guys here that could be big impacts in Washington.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, shoot, like even a guy like
Speaker 1: Jordan James from Oregan, you know his ability to like
Speaker 1: he's like he's not going to test grade. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna run anybody over, but like he's just a good back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like that's a guy that you can get in
Speaker 1: the third, fourth, fifth round and just be like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy's going to be a starting rotational piece for
Speaker 1: me as a fifth round pick. Or like cal Mullings
Speaker 1: from Michigan, Like he's a guy that played linebacker at Michigan,
Speaker 1: converted late in his career, big heavy dude that gets
Speaker 1: downhill and is still learning how to run because he
Speaker 1: played linebacker. But yep, those are good football players, man. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we're excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is great running back classes.
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a really good
Speaker 2: class at the end of at the end of it all,
Speaker 2: like when we look back in three years, I think
Speaker 2: we're going to say there were I'm not saying there
Speaker 2: is a bunch of superstars in it, but there are
Speaker 2: going to be a lot of solid players in Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like when Fred and Santana talk about their draft
Speaker 1: class and they're like, this guy in the fifth.
Speaker 3: Risk, Yeah, that was a crazy draft two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know when yeah when I think, but anyway,
Speaker 1: but that's going to do it. For today's show on
Speaker 1: running back and please make sure you like it subscribing.
Speaker 1: You know, if there's a running back we missed, throw
Speaker 1: it in the comment. Maybe that's what we're doing now.
Speaker 3: Are running backs we miss? For sure, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of good ones.
Speaker 1: But like one of the things I was thinking about
Speaker 1: because of this other show I did, if there's a
Speaker 1: guy you want us to talk about, leave it in
Speaker 1: the comments.
Speaker 3: Put it in there because we're getting to a point.
Speaker 1: Now where we're done ranking positions and we'll kind of
Speaker 1: go through maybe a fan, a fan selected position guy
Speaker 1: or group of guys and we can talk about.
Speaker 2: All these Yeah, give us give us your fans. We
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