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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we've

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Speaker 1: got the top ten running backs. Well it's more like

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Speaker 1: twelve thirteen, fourteen, because this running back class is super deep.

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Speaker 1: We talk who's got the juice that speed those forties,

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Speaker 1: those explosive runs, and who's got the power to run

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Speaker 1: you over and who's got both? And we've got Omar

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Speaker 1: and Hampton and Ash and gent Who's the real number one?

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Speaker 1: Is it closer than people think? It all starts right now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome in the Ticke of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan

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Speaker 1: Paulson here with just the guy, Jason and Jason. It's

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Speaker 1: so fun to be back in the seat talking more prospects. Man,

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Speaker 1: how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, especially because it's running back and running

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Speaker 2: back like wide receiver like quarterback.

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Speaker 3: They're just fun to watch, right.

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Speaker 2: These are the these are the guys that have the

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Speaker 2: crazy juke moves. They're bigger and runs. They're big and

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Speaker 2: run super fast. Some of them are smaller and can

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Speaker 2: run people over. It's just you get the contrasts and

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Speaker 2: body types with what you expect and what they can

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Speaker 2: and can't do.

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Speaker 3: And it's a deep class.

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Speaker 1: I think it is a deep class. It was. It

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Speaker 1: was interesting though, like this is something I didn't talk

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Speaker 1: good reminder this class is deep and there will be

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Speaker 1: starters in this class, a lot of starters and guys

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Speaker 1: like rotational guys for sure, But I'm always reminded like

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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, So I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: is there's only a couple of running backs that run

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Speaker 1: in like pro style systems. It's all these kind of

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Speaker 1: gun runs, like where there's a lot of space, light boxes.

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Speaker 1: You got to make one guy miss, there's a ton

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Speaker 1: of space. Because one of the things I've I evaluate

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Speaker 1: and find those tight creases those tight gaps. And there's

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Speaker 1: something that's so different. So you're like, it feels like,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you watch defensive end, when you watch

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Speaker 1: an offensive linemen, when you watch receivers, you see transferable

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Speaker 1: they're fast or explosive whatever it is. But it's the

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Speaker 1: it's the nuance of the position, like the thing that

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Speaker 1: thing that separates Derrick Henry from just another position. And

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Speaker 1: why you know why Derek Henry is a good example

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Speaker 1: actually why Derek Henry struggled early in his career because

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Speaker 1: And that's something that I think really takes a good

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Speaker 1: to see an element of that when watching film. M'ch

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Speaker 1: these light boxes, they don't get them as much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I actually want to dive into some terms

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because a lot of these guys project

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Speaker 3: Asking him to do it.

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Speaker 2: for the Commanders, you're gonna you're gonna get in it.

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons that they brought in Austin Eckler

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Speaker 2: all coaches look for that. You got to be an

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Speaker 2: to ask you real quickly about some terms. We do

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Speaker 2: this every time of things that you're going to say. Here,

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Speaker 2: you already said muddy. So a muddy run. What's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody run. It's like, you know, you're running inside zone.

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Speaker 1: if you can do that matter, and if you look

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Speaker 1: So getting a back that again can elevate your offensive

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Speaker 2: All Right, how do you determine the vision of a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think the thing is like probably because

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Speaker 1: they call it riding the wave right, So like first

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you didn't read it out, your vision wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a great way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Up, because sometimes you get running backs that when they're

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Speaker 3: But then there's also times where they're too patient.

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Speaker 2: It's being patient, but also knowing as soon as that opens,

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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. And there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, contact balance, I think is another one of those traits.

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Speaker 1: It's like sneaky underrated for a back because even as oh,

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Speaker 1: to me one of I don't again. Like we talked

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Speaker 1: Muddy runs and contact balance are so closely tied. And honestly,

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Speaker 1: muddy runs they have contact balance. It's got vision in there, right.

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Speaker 1: All those things factor in, but it's a big part,

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Speaker 1: especially for a bigger back. You better have good contact balance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of the times, like running backs

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Speaker 2: He like led the league in most yardage before contact,

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Speaker 2: which is insane that you have that end his athletic ability, right,

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Speaker 2: So when that's one of the reasons he had such

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Speaker 3: Man runs hard and Giddings is like right there for you.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, that's really smart. That's just smart running.

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Speaker 3: I think this guy is a sleeper in the draft class.

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Speaker 1: Know if he's a sleeper, I mean yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's weird talking about him,

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like he's because again, like he's like I said, I

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Speaker 3: Really special stuff, you know.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's he's a guy that we talk

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Speaker 1: like how are you actually wired? Are you competitive? Are you?

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Speaker 1: It's really the competitiveness.

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Speaker 2: So let me say this to you. Then, because I

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Speaker 2: That tends to be what I do. So, Like, first off,

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Speaker 2: contact isn't enough for him, It ignores it. You've got

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Speaker 2: But here's what I really liked about about him, other

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Speaker 2: I think that's why he's not high on people's board

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Speaker 1: He's like the tenth back, like he's gonna go.

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Speaker 2: To he's going to be higher than I think he's

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Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of this, Like he's still

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Speaker 2: What I'm talking about is like the the the mentality.

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Speaker 2: It just feels like I just started playing football. I

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Speaker 1: It on your list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like I don't know, that's what I really

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's stay in kind of the Well,

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Speaker 1: you've heard this before, Like he doesn't play that fast,

434
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,320
Speaker 1: Like he for sure plays that fast. Right, So he's

435
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 1: an explosive. He's got a track background, and so I

436
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,040
Speaker 1: thought again, like if you're looking to add juice to

437
00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,840
Speaker 1: an offense in the same kind of mold, he's not

438
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,680
Speaker 1: this player, not this player, but like you think about

439
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,080
Speaker 1: what Jamior Gibbs did for the Troy Lions, he's got

440
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,320
Speaker 1: that ability. He's not as big, his acceleration's not as good,

441
00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,400
Speaker 1: but I think when he's at his best, he's got

442
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,479
Speaker 1: good lower half.

443
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,560
Speaker 3: Tree're talking about that type of role, that type of

444
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,159
Speaker 3: role right.

445
00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,360
Speaker 1: Right, like where it's like you got like a bell

446
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,280
Speaker 1: cow guy, and here's your change up pitch, and it

447
00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,520
Speaker 1: is a fastball right down the middle, and no one

448
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,840
Speaker 1: can touch it because he's so damn fast. So I

449
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,520
Speaker 1: think that's the way I view him as a player.

450
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,240
Speaker 1: And again, when you watch the Miami game, breaking tackles, finishing,

451
00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,760
Speaker 1: runs square, and his pads up, maximizing muney runs in

452
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,480
Speaker 1: that game, which is something he didn't do in the

453
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,719
Speaker 1: Virginia game. So I almost didn't have my list. Go

454
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,080
Speaker 1: back and watch these two games, I'm like, Okay, he

455
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,760
Speaker 1: feels like a guy that can make a difference in

456
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Speaker 1: an NFL offense.

457
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And he's like built, dense and thick in the

458
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:55,240
Speaker 3: lower en yeah.

459
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like on film he looks sick at the combine.

460
00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,720
Speaker 1: When we saw him, didn't look that way, but on

461
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,639
Speaker 1: film he looks like a little bit like a muscle

462
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,480
Speaker 1: hamster kind of guy.

463
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,199
Speaker 3: All Right, So number eight for you.

464
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah for me, is this is maybe maybe my favorite

465
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Speaker 1: running back in the entire class.

466
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Speaker 3: Okay, So why at number eight.

467
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 1: Then, Smith Smu I think partially because it's like role.

468
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 1: It's like where he goes is gonna be really important.

469
00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,440
Speaker 1: So he's a converted wide receiver from SMU and I

470
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,119
Speaker 1: love his like slashing style, like you get in the

471
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,560
Speaker 1: football inside zone, Like there's certain guys you get in

472
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,360
Speaker 1: the ball and it's like you don't you don't hold

473
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,920
Speaker 1: your breath, you know. Like even though R. J. Harvey

474
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 1: is really fast, I'm not like like with him because

475
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 1: of how he hits the hole, how he gets downhill,

476
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,440
Speaker 1: how he crosses lines, and how he can get make

477
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 1: people miss. The next level, I'm like, oh my gosh,

478
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,159
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this guy to touch the football.

479
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,479
Speaker 2: He looks like a wide receiver running the ball, not

480
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,880
Speaker 2: in his build, but in like the way like you said,

481
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 2: hard cuts.

482
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,159
Speaker 1: Hard cuts, gets downhill, can make people miss, and I

483
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 1: just like, this is what you want in an offense

484
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 1: that spreads people out. This is a playmaker. This is

485
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 1: a playmaker, right And the other thing that I loved

486
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: about him, absolutely loved about him, was he's a converted

487
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So you put him in the slot. You

488
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 1: can run a fade, you can run a double move,

489
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 1: you can run a post and go. He's got the

490
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 1: hands run a choice, and he tracks the football. One

491
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: I thought, just from an offensive personnel standpoint, a player

492
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 1: like this is a total nightmare to game plan for

493
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: because like we can be an empty personnel shoot even

494
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: here for the commanders, like we could have Deebo Samuel

495
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: on the field. He can be on the field that

496
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 1: we could be in that could be that could be

497
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: twenty one personnel pony twenty one personnel for us, or

498
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: we could be an empty And now you've got to

499
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: match up with all these really good playmatages, like if

500
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: he's in a Kyle Shanahan offense, that kind of tree,

501
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 1: if he's here with Cliff someone that knows how to

502
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: use that skill set, that is a devastating weapon because

503
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Speaker 1: how he tracks the football.

504
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: That's so funny you said that. My last thing I

505
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 2: put on here was my God, could you imagine in

506
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: the field with Jayden, b Rob and Deebo it would

507
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: be because defense is how do you don't how do

508
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 2: you match up with that? There's so many options that

509
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: can come out of that. Yeah, man, he is Joe

510
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: a dynamic weapon. He also has speed that looks like

511
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: you know in Fast and Furious when they push that

512
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: little knas button. He's a competitive extra juice it there,

513
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 2: like man, he goes And.

514
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: It's funny because even though Basil twone ran a faster forty.

515
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: There's times on film where I feel like Brishard Smith.

516
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 1: It just ye, it's like he gets a little competitive,

517
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, and he's just out running angles. And the

518
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: reason he's eight on my list is I do feel

519
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: like he's a little bit situational. Like we talked about

520
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 1: all the things he can be. He's he's a little

521
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: up and down in protection. He Yeah, I think he

522
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: does it okay with money runs, but he doesn't maximize

523
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: Muney runs because he's not the biggest guy. You know,

524
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: he's six foot, he's one hundred and ninety five pounds,

525
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: you know. But I dude, I I love him. I

526
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: love I love what he could bring to an offense

527
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: just because yeah, like watching it, like again, this is

528
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: he's we're not talking about receivers here, but like he

529
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: ran like a little like box fade and like mosses

530
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,719
Speaker 1: the linebacker, And I'm like, running backs can't do that.

531
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 1: They're not built to do that. So to get that

532
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 1: skill set and offense would be tremendous.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I don't want to say a luxury pick,

534
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: but like I'm not I don't think anyone's drafting him,

535
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 2: going Okay, we're gonna groom this guy into be an

536
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: every down.

537
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 3: Back for us.

538
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: Maybe he gets here in his career, but it's like, okay,

539
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: how can we put pressure on defenses and just putting

540
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: this guy on the field. And let me tell you

541
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: another thing. I think he'll be a special team star,

542
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: immediately return guy. Immediately he'll do yeah.

543
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: Because he is, like I will say, like for a

544
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: guy who's going to urt a receiver, he runs hard. Yeah,

545
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: he runs. He reminds me a little bit of Debo

546
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: in that way, like he's a receiver, but he's like

547
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 1: gonna square his pads up, he's gonna try and run

548
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: you over. And again he's more of a shiftier guy,

549
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: but he runs with good pad like he's got a

550
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: bunch of goal line runs on tape where he gets

551
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: his pad square and like you know, it's able to

552
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: find the crease and cramming in there. So I really

553
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: like what I like the thought of him. Again, situation

554
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: is really important. Usage is really important. And again, like

555
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: you said it kind of a luxury. I think that's

556
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: really good. Uh like analysis like kind of a luxury.

557
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: Like he's not gonna be your starting running back, not

558
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: right away?

559
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, So let's go down to Tennessee

560
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: and talk about Dylan Sampson Number Tennessee.

561
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a lot of people I know really enjoy

562
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: watching his film, and he's a guy that I didn't

563
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: love on first cut because what I did this for

564
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: the running backs. I watched the highlight and then I

565
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: went and watched the film, Okay, and I felt like

566
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: the film was a lot better than the highlight because again,

567
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: when you watch the Tennessee tape, they're in this like

568
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: spreadout offense. There's light boxes like you've got to make

569
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: they really don't have to make anybody miss because they're

570
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: playing in these soft coverage shells, and you're like, how

571
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: good is this? But then you watch the film and

572
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, like, here's a guy running through the

573
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: A gap, he makes a miss, he finds the hole.

574
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: That's a five yard run. They should have been a

575
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: three yard loss. Kind of like that thing I was

576
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: talking about with Muddy Runs. I felt like there was

577
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: a lot of really good feel for Muddy runs, and

578
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: he's got some explosive high home run ability to him.

579
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's okay in pass protection right,

580
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: which is why he's ahead of some of those other guys.

581
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: And I do feel like he could project to a

582
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: bigger role in an offense, maybe not like maybe not

583
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: every down, but definitely like a rotational guy in first down.

584
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: Like it's interesting, Like I kind of looking back on it,

585
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: I probably should DJ Giddens higher because I think he

586
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: could be a starting caliber running back, like be your guy,

587
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: So he probably should have been higher. But Dylan Smith,

588
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: I think has that kind of the ability to do

589
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: something really explosive but also do the hard stuff. Well,

590
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: I just worry about his body size at the next level,

591
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: but really like the player, really like very just very

592
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: solid film I felt like.

593
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: And speaking of his body size, here's the thing that

594
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: translates that I'm going to bring up a couple of

595
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: times because unfortunately it pops up in this class. He

596
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 2: had four fumbles lost this past season, has a little

597
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: bit of trouble holding on to the ball.

598
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 3: I think that's.

599
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: Because of his size, and like you were talking about,

600
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 2: he doesn't mind the muddy runs and that you mentioned

601
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: this before. Maybe it's a mentality thing with him that

602
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: can get kind of cleaned up where it's like take

603
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: the yards that are given to you because sometimes fighting

604
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: for that extra yard is that extra time for that

605
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: and other defender to come and he yanked that ball

606
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: out from you. But if he cleans that up, I

607
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: agree with you and everything.

608
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: Again, you know, we talked about, you know, Basil Tuten's

609
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: pass pro or r. J. Harvey's pass pro. Dylan Simpson,

610
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: there's times where he looks totally lost in passpor like

611
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: lost in passpor And again I was trying to remember

612
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: which game was maybe Alabama or Georgia game, right, And

613
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: Georgia does some complicated stuff with their pressures, more complicated

614
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: stuff than that sm you saw the entire year, right,

615
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: So to compare them is tough. But there's times where

616
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm like where your eyes, Like what are you looking at?

617
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: And you know, like with Rishard Smith, Basil twon, r J. Harvey,

618
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: like they're going to cut you down. They're not the

619
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: biggest guys in the world. But I'm talking Dylan Simpson's

620
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: like not going to the right guy sometimes. So yeah,

621
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: getting that cleared up, I think is going to be

622
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: a big deal for him. But really just in terms

623
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: of the muddy runs, ability to maximize good contact balance,

624
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: like all those things we talked about. The top good vision.

625
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: I feel like he showed me the more film I

626
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: watched in a big game against Georgia an NFL running style.

627
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: Your number six is probably my favorite.

628
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: He's a fun guy to watch.

629
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: He's my favorite.

630
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: He's so like, so let's oh no, let's talk about

631
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: Cam Skataboo from Arizona State.

632
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: I want to get his name in there.

633
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the same way that Vishard Smith is like

634
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: my favorite because of what he can be like when

635
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: you're just watching the film. Cam Skattaboo is a ton

636
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: of fun to watch. And he's got great contact balance.

637
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: He understands how to break tackles, he knows how to

638
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: maximize money runs. He's got very solid vision, he's got

639
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: a great feel. He catches the ball well, like really

640
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: does a great job with that stuff. So why don't

641
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: you Why is he number six on my list? The

642
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: thing I'm worried about is he's not a big frame.

643
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: You know, he waged two nineteen one of the heavier backs,

644
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: So pretty big guy, right, But he takes so many

645
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: impossibly hard shots. I'm like, how long can you do that?

646
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: The NFL level? Like I played it with a guy

647
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: here named Robert Kelly, and maybe some fans remember him,

648
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: who ran like an absolute maniac, and I just said, man,

649
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: I was I remember I went to the Bears right

650
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: afterwards and said, man, I really enjoyed playing with Rob

651
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: because he runs so hard. And the scout was like, well,

652
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: how many years can he do that for? And I

653
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: was like, I never really thought of that. And Rob

654
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: was out of the league in two years because of

655
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: injury related stuff because he just ran so hard. It

656
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: was the same thing with Ivory from you know, New Orleans.

657
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: He just when you run like that, when you run

658
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: with like seeking that contact, taking those shots, and you

659
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: don't have a Derrick Henry, you know, tyle frame, I

660
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: just worry like you're going to have him for three

661
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: years and it's gonna be like, man, that was awesome

662
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: three years, but he's done so again contact balance, like

663
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: watching him against Texas, So Texas they've got Collins, they've

664
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: got all these great defensive linemen. They're in the backfield.

665
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: He's making guys, he's fine an angles, making guys miss

666
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: like literally every run, he's fighting for his life. And

667
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: that's cool to see a guy do that. And I

668
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for him as a player,

669
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, I want a guy, if I'm

670
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: going to take him in the second or third round,

671
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: to be a part of me building forward. And if

672
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: you run like that. He hasn't had an issue in college.

673
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: He's not very injury prone, but it just seems very

674
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: unlikely with how our people hit and how well people

675
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: tackle the next level.

676
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely lives off the contact like. I don't

677
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: see him ever eliminating that from his game. It's part

678
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: of his mentality, it's part of who he is, it's

679
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: part of what makes him great. He is a smaller guy. Hey,

680
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: look the fumbles are back again. He has ten since

681
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: is twenty twenty two season. That's a lot of fumbles.

682
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: But it makes sense with the way he runs and

683
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: how it like. But here's the thing, all right, one

684
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: draft night, Cam Skataboo is going to go higher than

685
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: anyone expects.

686
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: A team is going to fall in love with this.

687
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: Guy, and he because of how he plays and because

688
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: of what he can do and all the positives that

689
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: come with it. And I hear what you're saying about

690
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: like the longevity of this, But there are other players

691
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: that I've found that play like him that had pretty

692
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: solid careers. So when I watched him run, he looks

693
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: like Austin Eckler to me, same size, same type of frame,

694
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: same mentality he And here's the thing, man, he has

695
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: weird loose hips even though he's not juke anybody. Right,

696
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: there's a nice clip where the uh we were able

697
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: to get the end zone look like the tight end

698
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: zone look from the TV broadcast where he's running straight

699
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: and his feet don't.

700
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: Move, they say on the same line, but his.

701
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: Hips just shift and a guy just whiffs right, Like

702
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: it's that sort of thing.

703
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: That way he can wiggle and run. And then at

704
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: the end of that play, he.

705
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Lowers his shoulder and runs a guy over for another

706
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: two yards, right, Like that's who he is, and some

707
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: team's going to see that.

708
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: And go whoa, Yeah, I think again, like the stuff

709
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: he does is special and the other so worry about

710
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the longevity. And also I worry about his top end

711
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: vertical speed. You know, that's something else I worry about too.

712
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't know that it matters for him, to be honest.

713
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: But again, like there's times where he's in the open

714
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: field and you're like, unhook the trailer man. Let's get running.

715
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: And so I think maybe I'll say this is my

716
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: own bias as a talent evaluator. I like to be

717
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: able to like, this is the bucket you're going in.

718
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: You're a scat back, You're an explosive piece. You're a

719
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: first and second down back, right, I like to be

720
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: able to say that about people. You know, I don't

721
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: know what he is at the next level. Is he

722
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: a third down back? Is her first and second down back?

723
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: You know, like talking about here in Washington. I think

724
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: he'd be a great fit for some of his zone

725
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: read stuff because he can maximize muddy looks. But do

726
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: you want to be living with him doing that all

727
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: the time or is he part of a first and

728
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: second down two back rotation, which you're probably fine, But again,

729
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: like that's where I get like, you got to save

730
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: him from himself a little bit, and he's not gonna

731
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: be playing all the time because of that. So, like,

732
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: what's his actually? Is he a good player? Yeah? Absolutely?

733
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: Is he fun to watch? Absolutely? Can he catch a football,

734
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: maximize money runs, good vision, good contact, bounce. Yes, it

735
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: lacks the top end explosiveness, But I worry about role

736
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: and that's that's the only concern I have.

737
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: His role over one more thing I'm bringing up not

738
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: to be just to be Devil's advocate, I guess a

739
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: little bit, but I want to hear your take on this.

740
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: Is last year we talked a lot about Jaye and

741
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: Daniels and the types of hits he took and the

742
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: types of ways he ran. And you're like, man, we

743
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: got to clean that up because you cannot do that

744
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

745
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: And he cleaned it.

746
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: Up, and like it's competitiveness, and he says, I'm going

747
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: to put my body on the line in certain situations where.

748
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: It's needed running back. You can't really do that, right,

749
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: So out of him a little bit, or do you

750
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: even want to?

751
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: Do you want to? I think that's the thing with

752
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: him is like I never want to go to Camp

753
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Scataboo and be like, don't do that, because that's what

754
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: makes him special. Like he's like a crash test dummy

755
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: that like has a million lives and he runs like

756
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: a maniac. He's got great balance. And again, his ability

757
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: to take a lost run, break a tackle, make a

758
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: guy miss, get you back to two is literally incredible,

759
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: Like it's incredible to watch. It's but like I was

760
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: watching who they were playing Arizona and he took one

761
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: of the hardest hits I've ever seen on like a

762
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: four yard game, and I'm just like, god, man, like,

763
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: you don't need to be living like that all the time.

764
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: But that's who he is and that's why you love him.

765
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: It's just what does that look like? Is that as

766
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: who else took that hit? The defender?

767
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's another day. I understand what you're saying.

768
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just like,

769
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: he's a part of me with like my my jag mentality.

770
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: This is dumb, just a guy thinking. Is like sometimes

771
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: I sit back and I go, all right, if he

772
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: were on a team that I dislike, like the Cowboys,

773
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: and we were playing them that week, I would be like,

774
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: I don't like this. And that is something I put

775
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: into it, is like I would rather I want this

776
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: guy on my team.

777
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: I do not want to play against him.

778
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to say to this, and

779
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a great point is I might

780
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: be okay with it because of the lack of explosiveness

781
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: in the touches. That's the other thing too, is you're

782
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: gonna like there's times where like that he makes a

783
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: nice read and he's in space and I want basiltoot

784
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: and getting that touch, you know what I mean, because

785
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: that's a touchdown. Yeah here, and with him it's a

786
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: it's a sick run. It's a ten yard game. But

787
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: I want you know, Brishard Smith, Basil Tuton and r

788
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: J Harvey shoot, even DJ Gidden's getting that touch because

789
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: that's that could be a Toiles house call, you know,

790
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: because of the explosiveness of their game. So that's where

791
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: if another team's given him a lot of touches, great,

792
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna run hard, he's going to make it tough.

793
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna be in a lot of good down and

794
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: distance as an offensive quarter and that's really frustrating. But ultimately,

795
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: like he's not going to kill you the way that

796
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. Like what makes Sakuon Barkley special?

797
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: What makes uh the guy from Detroit special? The running

798
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: back I can't remember his name right now, but you

799
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: know what makes yeah gives what makes him special, it's

800
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: that home run ability.

801
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: So here's the thing.

802
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: If he goes to the Eagles, Like if that was

803
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: a thing, and he's sus like relief, Like I am,

804
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: I'm terrified.

805
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: But I think that's the thing. It's like they have

806
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: they just they just signed aj Dillon.

807
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying it's going to happen. It's it's

808
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: that weird.

809
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: I think I'd probably, I think i'd be okay with it,

810
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: because again, he's he's gonna run hard, but he's not

811
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be death by a thousand cuts, and

812
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: teams don't play that way anymore. I mean, Philly maybe does,

813
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: but like on the whole, like it's the lack of

814
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: explosiveness is a big thing for me too, and plus

815
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: the play style, like I just don't know how sustainable

816
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: it All.

817
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: Right, let's move on the number five for you.

818
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: And it's our first running back from Ohio State, which

819
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: one is it?

820
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: Logan quin Shawn Jenkins from Ohio State. And I was

821
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: it was weird. It was weird watching this film. I

822
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: was happy with this film, but also a little bit

823
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: disappointed with this film. I think I had this expectation

824
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: that he was going to be and like so I

825
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: kind of broke the backs up into tiers. I thought

826
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: he was going to be in that kind of first tier,

827
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: fringe first tier the way a couple other guys are.

828
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: But he play's physical, he's great in past protection, he's good,

829
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: he's a good blocker, runs hard. He kind of got

830
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: this like my ability to accelerate through and into contact

831
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: at a high level. Like all this stuff about finishing runs,

832
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: the physicality that kind of football players, football player, it's

833
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: all there for him. And he's a bigger body frame

834
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: than Skataboo, and he understands kind of like when the

835
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: fight's over a little bit better than Skataboo, which I appreciate.

836
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: So I liked the player. The thing that stood out

837
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: to me is I felt like there were times where

838
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: like he's trying to make the right cut but gets

839
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: a little bit foot heavy in the hole, and a

840
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: gain where he's like going in the right direction could

841
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: have been a five six yard gain, is a tackle

842
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: for one or a loss of one because of some

843
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: footwork stuff at and around the line of scrimmage. So

844
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: I think I like the football player. I like what

845
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: he brings. I like his projection a lot too. I

846
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: think he could be a really good again one to

847
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: two in the NFL because of the physicality that he

848
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: plays with, but I think he needs to clean up

849
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: some stuff in terms of vision at and around the

850
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage when runs aren't perfectly blocked. I think

851
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: would be the thing.

852
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not overly shifty, yes, right of a runner,

853
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: but man, doesn't he have like a silly acceleration through

854
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: the hole. I mean when he hits it, it's good,

855
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: it's fast, and it's faster than you think it would

856
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: be for a guy his size.

857
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: He's like two twenty one and he's not like top

858
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: end fast, but again, like he's got this.

859
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: It's that burst.

860
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he's got that. Man, we talked about acceleration. Now,

861
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: that's important for a back. He's got that kind of

862
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: factor to him. And he's not going to be hitting

863
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: a ton of home runs, but he's going to gash

864
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: you and hard, and he's big and he's physical, and

865
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: I just the only reason I'm not a little bit

866
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: higher on him, and there's the guy that's at four

867
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: is above him, is I just worry about the vision. Man.

868
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: Just it was something that came out. I was like, oh,

869
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: that's just one game. Watch the next game would pop

870
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: up A couple of times you're like, man, like that

871
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: seems like something that's pretty consistent for him, right, and

872
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: everything else is really good. So like I didn't really

873
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: know what to do with him, so popped him right

874
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: there in the middle instead of like the projection like

875
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: what he can be like his kind of attitude and

876
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: approach hopefully gets that figured out.

877
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I mentioned this analogy before, or like

878
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: how cars run, Like a lot of people get caught

879
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: up in the horsepower. It's like, oh man, it's got

880
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: great horse power, but there's another thing that's involved.

881
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: It's the torque.

882
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Right.

883
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 2: Torque means how quickly do you get from basically zero

884
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: to sixty?

885
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: Right?

886
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: How fast is that?

887
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: The immediate right off the line, Because you can do

888
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: a drag race at a quarter mile and a guy

889
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: can beat you off the line and like get way

890
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: out ahead of you, but he doesn't have the horsepower

891
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: that top speed will catch up and win the race.

892
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: He doesn't have that horsepower, right, but he's to beat

893
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: you off the line like he's got some torque. All right,

894
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: let's move to Caleb Johnson from Iowa. This is your

895
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: number four? Can I say something about him real quick?

896
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: For that?

897
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: I want you to go off of.

898
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: He runs zone so well, and that's what they asked

899
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: him to do all the time. So how do you

900
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: take a zone scheme to running back have him so

901
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: high because maybe you're not running zone all the time

902
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: with him. What did you see with him that says, Okay,

903
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: you're doing a lot of zone in college, but you

904
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: can fit our scheme even if it's not so.

905
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: I think it was just trusting that his vision was

906
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: so good. Okay, it's like he just and again it's

907
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but like man, like his feel

908
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: was so good, like you know, like, hey, this run

909
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: is not blocked well, but I'm gonna I always kind

910
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: of find the right hole. I find that because I

911
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: didn't honestly like the athletes a little bit mid. For me,

912
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: it's like he's run like a high four to five

913
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: at the combine, didn't jump very well. It doesn't pop

914
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: off on film in terms of like being super explosive

915
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: or twitch you're being able to make people miss. But

916
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: but he just he just does it right. You know.

917
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a bunch of singles right like

918
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: where I'm hitting the right hole all the time. And

919
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: I just was like this is this the floor of

920
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: this is so high, right, Yeah, Like if you put

921
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: him as your starting back or like rotational guy in

922
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: the NFL, like you're not getting maybe the home run

923
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: out of the park shots, but like keep it on schedule.

924
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: It's going to keep you on schedule. And again, he

925
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: does have enough ability at the second level to make

926
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: people miss. He scores a lot of long touchdowns too.

927
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: For whatever reason. I'm not sure if he just didn't

928
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: test well, it'd be interesting to look at the GPS

929
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: stated for him, But I think I think his vision

930
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: was so good, like you know, like if we're talking

931
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: like matting rating, it felt like it was just like, oh,

932
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: like we were watching I was watching the Nebraska game

933
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: and the defensive tackle that we scattered for Nebraska was

934
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: killing their offensive guard. But he just was consistent, held

935
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: his line, was making these nice cuts, gashing him for

936
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: forty here, gash him for twenty here, and I just

937
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is what you This is

938
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: what NFL running is. And maybe that's why I felt

939
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: so good about it. Like I was watching an NFL

940
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: running back run NFL runs and I was like, the

941
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: transfer is like one to one, and I think that's

942
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: why I felt so comfortable about it.

943
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: All Right, let's go to the next Ohio state running

944
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: back and talking about home run hitters and talking about

945
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: drag racing, like this guy is the first fast and

946
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: furious movie, that little VW bug that just like took

947
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: off or it's just a little Jetta, not the bug,

948
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: the little Jetta. But like he doesn't I don't know.

949
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: To me, he doesn't look like there's nothing that looks

950
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: special about him. Yeah, he looks just like your average

951
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: running back. But he's got that gear.

952
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: He's got the gear. And I think the thing is

953
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: like watching him in twenty twenty three, you're kind of

954
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: like a visions a little bit whatever, how hard is

955
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: he running? And then you watch him in twenty twenty

956
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: four and you're like, man like his ability to get

957
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: to the right spot in the run, to make someone miss,

958
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: to finish a run downhill, like when you compare him

959
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,240
Speaker 1: to quin Shawn Jenkins, like I like Dunkins a lot,

960
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: but like there was just a polish and explosiveness and

961
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: like a hold your breath factor to his game. And

962
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: just when they needed something like here's a screen versus Texas,

963
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: here's a big space here's a big run versus Oregon

964
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: where I find the right hole and break out. And

965
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: he didn't run a fast He didn't he ran a

966
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: fast forty. He was like a four to two, a

967
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: four to four to two, so not crazy fast, but

968
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: no one catches him, Like, no one catches him, and

969
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: you're just like, what's going on here? Like for example

970
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: versus Texas, like the corner there at number seven, who

971
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: ran a four to three, Like he runs away from him,

972
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: and so you're just kind of like, whatever it is.

973
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Like everyone says, oh, like he's the Gibbs of this

974
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: year's class, And I think Gibbs, like I loved his

975
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: college film. I think he was a little bit different

976
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: than this in terms of explosiveness, acceleration and the and

977
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: the numbers at the combine hash that out. But he's

978
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: got a little bit of that to him. And I

979
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: think he does the other stuff well, like finishing runs,

980
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: getting downhill, and he catches the football well out of

981
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: the backfield, and he feels like a guy that's going

982
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: to be a playmaker for your fence, yeah right away.

983
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: And again probably more of a rotational guy. So if

984
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: you're looking for like a starter, maybe Caleb Johnson's more

985
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: like your cup of tea, you know, because he's a

986
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: bigger guy can take those shots. Maybe even Quichahn Jenkins

987
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: is more that guy. But to me, I just thought

988
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: the explosive playmaking ability of Henderson was just a tick above,

989
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: you know. And like you know, we talked about Brishard

990
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: Smiths and Basiltuton and r J. Howvey, they're very in

991
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: the same mold. But I felt like the level of competition,

992
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: the consistency that he played with and the other stuff,

993
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: the tough runs, the muddy runs, getting to the right

994
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: spot in the read was just was just so consistent

995
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: with Travon Henderson. Like I don't have a lot of

996
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: bad things to say about his film other than that

997
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: he's a little bit small in In twenty twenty three,

998
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: he didn't do those things, but I kind of looked

999
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: at that, look at that as a benefit, Like he

1000
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: improved in twenty twenty four.

1001
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got better.

1002
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: And with the Jamier Gibbs comparison, because I wrote that down,

1003
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't.

1004
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: Think I'm saying he's going to be him.

1005
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 2: It's the role, right, that's what you want. You want

1006
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: a sonic and knuckles, and he's your sonic if you're

1007
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: building that, right, So if you are, you have your knuckles,

1008
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: this guy is going to be your sonic.

1009
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: Right.

1010
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: He may not be as good as Jamior Gibbs, he

1011
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: may not be as exposed good m Gibbs as special. Yeah,

1012
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: you saw him in person in that Detroit game where

1013
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: the Commanders beat them to beat Detroit and.

1014
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: We saw we saw him with the combine man Ran,

1015
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: I think it was our four to nine. He's like,

1016
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: he's got the same yeah, like it's a different speed, right, but.

1017
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: He's not that. But the role is I.

1018
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: Think the role could be very similar. And I think

1019
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: when you're looking at the running back position, he to

1020
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: me embodies the evolution of the position of this dynamic

1021
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: playmaking element back there. And I think that's one of

1022
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: the reasons why if you look at my running back list,

1023
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: it's got a lot more value at the in that

1024
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: type of slot, because I think those guys change games.

1025
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: You need that, you need the knuckles, right, but the

1026
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: sonic is the one that's gonna it's going to change

1027
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: the way defense is approached.

1028
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: Stresses M. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, Number two.

1029
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: Dude, these two guys are really good football players.

1030
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: How close are all right?

1031
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: So your number one is clearly going to be gent Yeah,

1032
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: it's every buddies number one.

1033
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: There's a reason.

1034
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: But it may be closer than people think with these two.

1035
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: So how close would you say you have them? Were

1036
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: you like debating at all?

1037
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: Or are you like I not really, I mean maybe

1038
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. They're really close, Like it's just closer

1039
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: than people think. Yeah, and I think like because like, oh,

1040
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: Marion Hampton, I think it's more of a testament to

1041
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: Marion Hampton than it is a knock against Ashton. All right, great,

1042
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: because like Ashton Genty is dude like man like everything

1043
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: you want.

1044
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we'll talk about him in the soccer. So

1045
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: let's do a Maria and.

1046
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: Inputs Maryon Hampton, Like, so a Maryon Hampton is big.

1047
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: He's bigger than I thought he was. He measured at

1048
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: the combine, bigger than I thought he was. He's got

1049
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: enough juice to hit a home run. He ran a

1050
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: four to four to eighth the combine that shows up

1051
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: on film. He's two twenty one, by the way, catches

1052
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: the football well and he's got maybe the best contact

1053
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: balance in the class, like maybe the best contact ballots

1054
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: in the class. So that combination of like you're talking

1055
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: about Scataboo maybe or gent like, but he just got this.

1056
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys that have it.

1057
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: Strong lower half. He can break tackles, and he's explosive

1058
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: for a guy that side. So to see it back

1059
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: that big that can carry the workload the way he does,

1060
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: like he's a starting caliber running back in the NFL,

1061
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: and he has pass game upside and he's got explosive ability.

1062
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: Like it reminded me of like Eddie George kind of

1063
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, that big guy that's got that next gear

1064
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: that can run you over then hit the gas. I

1065
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: do think I get a little bit on the fence

1066
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: about his vision sometimes because he is big. He just

1067
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: kind of crams it in there sometimes and like moves

1068
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: the pile and then they'll score it out the other side.

1069
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: But he's missing the cut. So that's something that I'm

1070
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned about. But I thought the other

1071
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: stuff was so was so good, you know what I mean,

1072
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: Like the contact balance, the home run ability, the way

1073
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: he caught the football, like so he's able to make

1074
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: people miss like's it was really good film. It was

1075
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: really good running back film, and like then when I

1076
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: went through it, it was like definitively like, Okay, these

1077
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: two are up here. And then there's a little bit

1078
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: of a step to kind of the next group, which

1079
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: would be like Trevon Henderson, Caleb Johnson, quinch On Jenkins,

1080
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: and then Scataboy and then there was like another step

1081
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: down just in terms of like quality of prospect.

1082
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: Hampton is a big guy who runs like a little

1083
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: guy but isn't afraid to run like a big guy.

1084
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: Dude. I think that's a great one. I think you

1085
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: captured the what he is, the dichotomy of what he

1086
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: is so well there because he can do little guy

1087
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: stuff and he does it well, but he.

1088
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: Also is big by the sacrifice of that.

1089
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And so usually you get a guy like

1090
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: sometimes you get big guys you run small, and he

1091
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: can do small guy stuff, but he runs with such power,

1092
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: like he's like his lower half. I'd be interesting to

1093
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: see him like what he squats and stuff. He's got

1094
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: like such good balance and his ability to absorb contact

1095
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: is just different.

1096
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: And when you said like he'll hit a hole and

1097
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: like he's somehow like pout out the other side, like

1098
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: you spoke to that, I was like, I don't know

1099
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: how he gets so skinny and those holes. I don't

1100
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: see it. I can't quite see it. It's just he

1101
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: hits it. You're like, okay, there's a three are what

1102
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: it's ten yards? Just kind of like, I don't know

1103
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: how he does and.

1104
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: I think it's just he's he seems really really strong,

1105
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: like a really really strong football player, and it just

1106
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: felt like a little bit like a man playing with

1107
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: amongst boys at Carolina. So when he was at North Carolina,

1108
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: so I really like the prospect. I like him a

1109
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: lot more so people were like, would you take a

1110
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: running back of twenty nine? And I kind of was like, no,

1111
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm not a first round running back guy, and I'm

1112
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: not a first round running back guy, but I think

1113
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: I would take either one of the one of the

1114
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: top two at that spot.

1115
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going. I think he's going to be a

1116
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: true third down back. Third down back, I mean I

1117
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: mean three down Yeah, that's what I think, because he could.

1118
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: Catch the ball, he can run hard, and he can

1119
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: be ex.

1120
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: I forget what game it was, but I saw him.

1121
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: He caught a screen and you're like, he's great vision

1122
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: to set the screen up. Great catch on the screen,

1123
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: kind of a weird throw, cut the ball awkwardly and

1124
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: then breaks a tackle, makes a guy miss, and then

1125
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: has enough juice to just finish the run. It was

1126
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: like a sixty yard reception for a touchdown. You know,

1127
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: he had sixty catches this over sixty catches this last

1128
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: year in college. Like, yeah, dude, he's uh, he's like

1129
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: someone said, Joe Mixon. I think he's a little he plays.

1130
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: He plays bigger than Joe Mixon to me. And so

1131
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: like that's where the Eddie George Komp feels a little

1132
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: bit more real to me.

1133
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: I like that comp a lot, all right, Boise State,

1134
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: Ashton Gent He's pretty much to consensus number one.

1135
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: You kind of see why, right, Like there's not too.

1136
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: Much the level of competition. Maybe it would be the

1137
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: only thing.

1138
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: He's a little smaller.

1139
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah five and a half yeah, five nine, like a

1140
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: little bit smaller.

1141
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: But what do you wait too? Ten two eleven to

1142
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: eleven Yeah, so good size for a guy that height.

1143
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: But so maybe the number one statistic that I look

1144
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: at with running backs when I'm evaluating them is miss

1145
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: tackles forced. And he has the highest misstackles force rate

1146
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: in the history of PFF keeping that metric, it's crazy

1147
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: and it's almost a full half point, which is a

1148
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: significant fifty percent higher than are full twenty five percent

1149
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: higher than John Robinson who had the highest rate prior

1150
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: to that. So when you watch the film, like again,

1151
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: Penn State, everyone gives them, gives them crap about the

1152
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: Penn State game.

1153
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: I don't understand why, dude, you've.

1154
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: Made everybody miss He took like he took one yard

1155
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: losses and tournament of five yard games consistently.

1156
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: So Penn State one of the best defenses this past year.

1157
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: All right, Abdul Carter's on that team. He was, he

1158
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: was a little banged up, but he was out there playing.

1159
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: They have they have several draftable players on defense on

1160
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: that team. Who on Boise? Are they keenan one? Do

1161
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: you think?

1162
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean aston gents, and that's it. Yeah, that's

1163
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: nobody's sole goal.

1164
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: So you have draftable NFL defensive players on the other

1165
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: line in a great college defense that are saying, you're

1166
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: the only guy we're trying to stop. And while Boise

1167
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: lost the game, he still got his he still carried

1168
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: the ball, He still make guys missed. There weren't those

1169
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: big explosive things that you see in like the level

1170
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: of competition. That's probably why his stats were so gaudy

1171
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: as some other schools, like.

1172
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: Well could get like when you're playing like a corn

1173
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell school is playing, like he makes

1174
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: the two guys miss and then and then then he's

1175
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: sitting home run. Yeah for some here, but like it

1176
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: was to me in some ways, the Penn State game

1177
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: was like more impressive in the same way like the

1178
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: Texas game for Camp Scataboo was incredibly impressive. Like there's

1179
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: no big runs in that game, but we're we're doing

1180
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: the running back stuff right at a really high level.

1181
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: You're giving your team a chance to win, right, and

1182
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: you know what. They also played Oregon. Yeah, he did

1183
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: really well against Oregon. Oregon's they're not a Penn State defense,

1184
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: but they're good a defensive players.

1185
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: Think about when we did defensive line rankings, they have

1186
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: defensive tackles that we both like, right, they got an

1187
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: edge and Birch, who's one of the biggest strongest guys

1188
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Like, they have a linebacker who'll be

1189
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: probably top fifteen in the draft. This year, So like

1190
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: what do you want from him? Right? Right?

1191
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: Like he catches the.

1192
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: Ball, he doesn't, I guess people say I didn't catch

1193
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: the ball a ton like when they throw it to

1194
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: him and cut the ball fine, Like.

1195
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fine, Yeah, he's fine catching the ball. I

1196
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: think I think he's better than catching the ball than

1197
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 2: people think. I think he hasn't ice hands. The thing

1198
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: about him is like it's the contact balance. I think

1199
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: it's elite, right, like better than some of these guys.

1200
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: You know, you ever watch Jurassic World. You have kids,

1201
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: you know that, remember when they get in like that

1202
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: gyro spear where they're rolling out of the dinosaurs just

1203
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: hitting them And it doesn't matter how hard this dinosaurs

1204
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: hitting them, it just stays. That's him, Like he's a

1205
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 2: small little dude. People are hitting them. He's just well,

1206
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's just still going like that. It's

1207
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: a cop for one thing with him, Like he's kind

1208
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: of like a minime Le'Veon bell le'vy on bell is better.

1209
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: But like I feel like he runs kind of like

1210
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: that patient and then quick bursts.

1211
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 3: I mean it's perfect, like the style.

1212
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: And he ran. And I think the other thing too

1213
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: about him is Le'Veon Bell was good, but like, I've

1214
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: never seen anybody force misstackles the way this guy forced. Mister. Yeah.

1215
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's the stuff.

1216
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: You're talking about, like it's it's like sometimes they run

1217
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: you over. But he also has this ability to like

1218
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: just change the angle. You were talking about it with

1219
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: J Harvey. R. J Harvey just changed the angle on

1220
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: just a little bit where the guy misses and then

1221
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm keeping my balance, like and then I'm able to

1222
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: accelerate his ability to It's he's a special prospect, man,

1223
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: And I think you see that. I didn't really get

1224
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: it until I watched him, but you see why people

1225
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: have him as like a top five prospect in the

1226
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: entire class, and it's because of his ability to elevate

1227
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: offensive lineman again to make people miss it a way

1228
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: that nobody prior to this has been able to do.

1229
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: So I think both these guys are really good. On

1230
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: Myra Hampton and National Gent. I mean, shoot, I think

1231
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: all these guys are good. I think they're all going

1232
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: to play, going to make an impact on NFL roster.

1233
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the ability to consistently make people

1234
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: miss was so unique to him, you know, I loved

1235
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: Jon Robinson film. I loved it, and I thought this

1236
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: film was better.

1237
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: Like he's just as smooth.

1238
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: It looks just as smooth like that. That's that's a

1239
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: good way, the smoothness. But just I can make you

1240
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: miss by juking you. I can make you miss by

1241
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: changing my angle. I can make you miss through acceleration.

1242
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: I can make you miss through running you over like

1243
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: it was it was. There's not a lot of bad

1244
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: things to say. And I even if if you're one

1245
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: of criticisms of the Penn Stake, like, I don't really

1246
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: care because I actually liked that film a lot, you

1247
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I fumbled once. Maybe that's

1248
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: why you're upset about it, but it was a good

1249
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: film to me. Yeah.

1250
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: So here's here's why I think about this draft class overall,

1251
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: and that uh, there's this standing now that is kind

1252
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: of out there where it's running back so.

1253
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: You can just get later, so you just don't draft

1254
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: them high.

1255
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: And then you have these blue chippers come along like

1256
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 2: a Bijon like Jamior Gibbs, right like, and they go

1257
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: higher than people anticipate. Maybe not Bijean, but like Gibbs

1258
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: did when he went to the lines. It was like

1259
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 2: a surprise.

1260
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: I was really high on him. I love Gibbs, and

1261
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: I was like, no second round place.

1262
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: You could get one there. But here's the thing.

1263
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: When you're drafting a running back or it seems like,

1264
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: if you're going to draft a running back, if your

1265
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: team is set to have the star running back, just

1266
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: take them, even if it's in the first round. And Saquon,

1267
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: I think, is a great example of this. The Giants

1268
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 2: drafted them really high. Saquon's talent was never in doubt,

1269
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: but they were ready for him to be on that

1270
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 2: Giants team. He goes to the Eagles and look what

1271
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: happens because they're ready to have that star running back.

1272
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: So if Genty, Hampton, like these guys go to a

1273
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: team that is ready, they are going to be stars

1274
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: right away. And I don't think that there is that

1275
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: mitigating risk you talk about.

1276
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 3: I think it's gone at that point.

1277
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: If you're not set with your offensive line, if you're

1278
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: not set with your offense, if you don't feel comfortable

1279
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: and you take Ashton Genty, he's not going to do

1280
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: anything for you.

1281
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the thing about Ashton Genty, which

1282
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: makes him maybe unique in this situation compared to Saquan specifically,

1283
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: is Ashton Genty is like he does his vision, his

1284
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: ability to find cuts, his ability to maximize money runs

1285
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: is good. It's like a plus, and sae Quon's was

1286
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: never there. Right, So maybe you could bring a guy

1287
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: like this in kind of like Rhys Jones Drew did

1288
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: when he went to Jackson Jacksonville, right, and make your

1289
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Speaker 1: offensive line better because they're so good at the running

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Speaker 1: back stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's not going to elevate, but what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying it's like it that's it's just a different kind

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Speaker 1: of prospect, but it's your analysis one hundred percent sound.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying like he's even more unique than that

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Speaker 1: because of this other stuff that he does so well.

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Speaker 1: So I could see a team and like we'll shoot well,

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Speaker 1: we think like Las Vegas for example, like our offensive

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Speaker 1: line is not great, but he's so good at what

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Speaker 1: he does that we might not be getting peak Ashton

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Speaker 1: Genty the way that Philly got the peak Peace Stateman Barkley,

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Speaker 1: but he's going to make us better this year because

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Speaker 1: of his talent.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me say to that that's perfectly fine. Like

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Speaker 2: a team can do that, but have a plan for.

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Speaker 1: Him, right, that's the thing plan for all these guys really, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But like if you're going to take gent now

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Speaker 2: and it's like blue Chipper, we want him on our team.

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Speaker 2: He's going to elevate us, then you need to say, also,

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Speaker 2: I'm committed to making this line better immediately, whether it's

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Speaker 2: next year or the year after, Like I'm going to

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Speaker 2: focus on that to maximize what we have here, because

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Speaker 2: you'll run into a situation that we see I think

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Speaker 2: quite often, and is why the conversation is, we'll just

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Speaker 2: take a later round running back because later around running

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Speaker 2: backs can perform very well with good offensive line. But

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Speaker 2: a special running back with a good offensive line, that's

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Speaker 2: where the magic acts.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think we're just talking about it,

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Speaker 1: like DJ Gidden's a good football player. Is he going

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Speaker 1: to make your team better?

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Speaker 3: If you have a good offensive line and you draft him,

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Speaker 3: he's going to be great.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 2: But if you have a bad offensive line you draft him,

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Speaker 2: he's going to struggle. But they all will. Right, It's

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Speaker 2: like again, gent Hampton. They may elevate it a little

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Speaker 2: bit and have good seasons.

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Speaker 1: But that's why they're in a different tier than the

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Speaker 1: exactly right. Yeah, and that was fun.

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Speaker 3: Run running backs was great.

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Speaker 1: Running backs is fun, and it was fun because they're good,

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Speaker 1: like they're good players, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 1: again it's kind of like what flavor ice cream you're

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Speaker 1: looking for? You looking for the big guy, looking for

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Speaker 1: the small guy. And we'll say there's not a bunch

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Speaker 1: of really great power runners this year, but in terms

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Speaker 1: of guys that can elevate your offense and make plays,

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Speaker 1: it's an exciting class.

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Speaker 2: And for our Commanders fans, there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: running backs here, a lot of them that if they

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Speaker 2: come here with what Cliff has going, I think that's

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Speaker 2: Jaden and what you already have in that room with

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Speaker 2: b Robin Eckler and McNicol, right, Like with those guys

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Speaker 2: in there, adding a young piece that compliments with what

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Speaker 2: they're trying to do or adds another stress to the

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Speaker 2: defenses we're playing, I think I think there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of guys here that could be big impacts in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, shoot, like even a guy like

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Speaker 1: Jordan James from Oregan, you know his ability to like

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Speaker 1: he's like he's not going to test grade. He's not

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Speaker 1: gonna run anybody over, but like he's just a good back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And like that's a guy that you can get in

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Speaker 1: the third, fourth, fifth round and just be like, oh, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this guy's going to be a starting rotational piece for

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Speaker 1: me as a fifth round pick. Or like cal Mullings

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Speaker 1: from Michigan, Like he's a guy that played linebacker at Michigan,

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Speaker 1: converted late in his career, big heavy dude that gets

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Speaker 1: downhill and is still learning how to run because he

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Speaker 1: played linebacker. But yep, those are good football players, man. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: we're excited.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is great running back classes.

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Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a really good

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Speaker 2: class at the end of at the end of it all,

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Speaker 2: like when we look back in three years, I think

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Speaker 2: we're going to say there were I'm not saying there

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Speaker 2: is a bunch of superstars in it, but there are

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Speaker 2: going to be a lot of solid players in Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like when Fred and Santana talk about their draft

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Speaker 1: class and they're like, this guy in the fifth.

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Speaker 3: Risk, Yeah, that was a crazy draft two thousand and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know when yeah when I think, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: but that's going to do it. For today's show on

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Speaker 1: running back and please make sure you like it subscribing.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there's a running back we missed, throw

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Speaker 1: it in the comment. Maybe that's what we're doing now.

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Speaker 3: Are running backs we miss? For sure, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of good ones.

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Speaker 1: But like one of the things I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: because of this other show I did, if there's a

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Speaker 1: guy you want us to talk about, leave it in

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Speaker 1: the comments.

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Speaker 3: Put it in there because we're getting to a point.

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Speaker 1: Now where we're done ranking positions and we'll kind of

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Speaker 1: go through maybe a fan, a fan selected position guy

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Speaker 1: or group of guys and we can talk about.

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Speaker 2: All these Yeah, give us give us your fans. We

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Speaker 2: collected ten of them. We'll talk about the fan the

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Speaker 2: fan top ten.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that was bad, well whatever.

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Speaker 1: Whatever, but that's going to do it for today's show.

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Speaker 1: Please make sure you like the subscribe where we get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts, and that's it.