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Speaker 1: My idea is that, well, they're about two to three

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Speaker 1: very big. But they're just big enough that people can

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Speaker 1: it's funny. This article is very interesting, thought provoking, has

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Speaker 1: else feared repercussions or anger or being targeted, which says

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Speaker 1: something about our modern politans would say, those rocks aren't cheap.

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Speaker 1: I mean I bought landscaping stuff like that. They're they're expensive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're really big ones. But the there's a picture of

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Speaker 1: or one of the giant boulders depends on the point

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Speaker 1: out of the Flintstone quarry right there right. One of

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Speaker 1: up an anti boulder activist, and Danielle joins us. Now, Danielle,

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Speaker 1: me on good well at the outset. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: look at your you know, your history and your resume

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Speaker 1: and your your creative outputting the rest of it um

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Speaker 1: and it's very very cool. So why are you so

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Speaker 1: against the local residents putting the rocks on that sidewalk? Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a tall waste of money and solves absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 1: Putting rocks on the sidewalk did not actually change the

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Speaker 1: can't be handicap accessible, But also is a total waste

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Speaker 1: could have gone towards either you know, donating to donating

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Speaker 1: for more housing. Well, there's enough money being spent to

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Speaker 1: money being spent to help home most people, zillions of

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Speaker 1: dollars being spent. But did the did the rocks? Were

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Speaker 1: the rocks on the sidewalk long enough to to see

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Speaker 1: if they actually had any effect, whether you're for it

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Speaker 1: didn't do anything. I mean, it just made it more

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Speaker 1: counterpoints to what you said. The local residents spent their

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Speaker 1: But they put their sidewalk, they put their rocks on

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Speaker 1: And the city said, the problem isn't the rocks. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the housing crisis. Yeah, but they the residents on the street,

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Speaker 1: share that sidelaws. We appreciate you, that's a fabulous, fabulous idea.

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