WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Mothman 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:16.040 Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know the story is 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.640 of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey guys, 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:25.240 what's up. It's a Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm I'm Devin, 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:31.200 joined as usual by Steve, and I apologize for my 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.400 lack of enthusiasm. It's not a real lack of enthusiasm. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.800 It's just that I have a cold that's waging war 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.400 with my body right now. The creeping crud. It's the 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:47.199 creeping crud crap in a tiny studio. I'm sure we 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.120 all have it at this point. So I apologize if 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.080 like my voice cracks or anything. I think we're gonna 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.200 be okay. I'll take pauses for hydration if we need to, 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.240 but just no, I'm sorry if I get overexcited and 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.880 my voice just loses. That sounds good, Okay, Okay, everybody, 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.720 let's just let's just do this mystery day. My boy 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:06.360 just gotta sound a little funy because I'm working to 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.039 put on a hazmat suit. We'll stiff the mic in 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.839 there with you, don't worry. Okay. So today we're gonna 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.640 do uh, something we haven't done in a long time, 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.280 which is a cryptid Yeah, crypto zoology, and we're gonna 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:26.200 go talk about the moth man. Okay, yeah, the moth person. Okay, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.640 this also listener suggestion like a really long time ago, 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:35.320 I think, yeah, I think it was Tom Tom or Thomas, Yeah, 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:41.520 which he has a long time, probably at least a year. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.280 I apologize it took us so long to get to it, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.880 but I and I know this came through recently on 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:50.080 Twitter too. We've got people. Yeah, I guess the man 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.880 is a very popular one apparently. Yes, so I wrote 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.840 a nice little like lead in which I totally ruined 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.160 with all of our other stuff. So I'm just gonna 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.120 read it. Everybody, get ready, alright, colored by the fire, everybody. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.400 From November nineteen sixty six to December nineteen sixty seven, 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.920 or maybe as late as two thousand, West Virginia, in 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.400 the area of Point Pleasant, kind of the middle of 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.960 the western border of the state was plagued by sightings 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.959 of a very mysterious kind that was good. Right, Why 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:23.400 did I like just run over that it was good? Yeah. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.880 Mothman is perhaps six or seven feet tall, one standing. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.600 He can fold his wings and walk with this like 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:37.639 weird kind of shuffle. People talk about it being penguin, 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:42.520 like penguin, you know, but penguins don't fly, so maybe 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.960 his pants are just down around his ankles. Maybe that's it. Yeah, 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:51.480 when he flies, his wings kind of just unfold. He 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.000 has arms too, right, so that it's not he doesn't 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.840 like lift up his arms and their wings. He unfolds 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.240 his wings from his back and just shoot straight up 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.720 into the air with great speed, is how they say it, 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.960 and then levels out and goes wherever he wants. And 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.359 nobody's ever seen him flap his wings exactly. And they 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:09.960 say he can go like three hundred miles an hour 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.240 or something, right, Yeah, I don't know how people are 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.080 able to Yeah, I don't know either. I mean, you know, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:17.760 it's one thing to be like, oh, I'm driving in 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.640 my car and he's going a significant amount faster than me, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.200 but like that's crazy fast. He apparently he just like 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:29.320 holds his wings out straight and goes spower. I guess 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.160 ill and this this will come to play in the 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.520 theories and later on and all of that stuff. Of course, 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.760 of course, um not to be a tease, but he 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.720 apparently can fly much faster, as Joe was talking about, 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.560 than any kind of bird should be able to fly. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.400 They say it's like three hundred miles an hour, Like 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:54.040 Joe said, Apparently, Mothman's favorite activity is chasing cars, which 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:55.840 is how people are able to tell that he goes 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.240 three hundred miles an hour. I don't know who these 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.440 crazy people are that are like like a dog. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.040 well maybe maybe it's a dog with wings. That would 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:11.000 makes sense kind of, wouldn't it. And he also likes 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.240 to try to tear the roofs off people inside inside 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:20.919 they're just like they're moving anchovy tins. In some versions, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.880 he doesn't have arms. I know, I said he has arms. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.839 I think he has arms. Lots of the pictures that 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.320 I've seen, the renderings I've seen, he does have arms. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.279 But some versions say he doesn't have arms, and he 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.400 just has wings with like no palms or fingers or 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.000 hands or anything like that. So he's like futilely trying 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:44.200 is futileing the right word? Fueling? Futilely, I don't know, 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.680 trying to tear the roof off of cars with like 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.760 no hands or palms. That sounds funny to me, So 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.000 it's not very smart. Yeah, So when the stories of 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.680 him trying to rip car roofs off. I'm willing to 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.080 like say he doesn't have arms, for the pure humor 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.360 of it. I will go with that. All right, So 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.920 here's how the story goes. You guys ready, really cuddle 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.719 up to the fire this time? Do it? You guys 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:16.719 doing it? I'm scared. On November twelve, nineteen six, five 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.479 men who were digging a grave at a cemetery, which 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:24.520 is already totally normal sauce a lot of Yeah, it 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:30.960 does seem like a lot o work. Yeah. Maybe. Uh. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.640 They were in western West Virginia. They claimed to have 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:39.719 seen a man like figure Floyd flying low from tree 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:44.039 to tree overhead. And this is the widely accepted as 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.520 the first sighting of Mothman. Do we have a time 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:52.000 of when that was supposed to have happened? No, probably daylight. 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.159 People don't usually dig graves at night unless they're robbing them. Yeah, 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.440 and that's that's my question because that will pertain later. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.840 But this, but all the other sightings that I've heard 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:08.360 of happened at night, So this could have happened at twilight. Say, yeah, 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.159 I guess it could have been the end of the shift. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.799 I can buy that, you know, maybe they were. It's November, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:18.280 so it gets darker. Yeah, okay, okay, I'll run with that, okay, okay. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:23.320 Then on November of the same year, two young couples 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.560 who were doing total normal things in an area of 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:35.440 Point Pleasant. Uh lovers Lane. Yeah, they were Lovers Lane, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.880 northwest northeast of that's actually yes, that's actually true. It 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.919 was the t N T. It was known as the 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.279 t N T Area, which is the site of former 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.440 World War two munitions plant. They were hanging out there 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.520 for totally normal reasons and then reported to police that 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.400 they saw large white creature whose eyes glowed red when 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.520 the car headlights picked them up, so they reflected they 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.600 didn't glow. I'm just gonna go ahead and make that 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.800 edit right now. As a reasonable human being, if you 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.280 shine a light at something and it reflects that light, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.960 it's reflecting, not glowing. Yes, it's like a cat, yeah yeah, 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.000 or any animal that or like just any animal. Even 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.920 human eyes reflect light to some extent to some degree. Yeah, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:23.080 not red, but yeah, yeah, well maybe who knows, depending 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:27.280 on the person. During the next few days, a lot 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:32.559 of other people started to report sightings to volunteer firefighters. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.200 Um said that they saw a large bird with red eyes. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:42.000 A Mason County sheriff said that he thought the sightings 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.920 were due to an unusually large heron that he nicknamed 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:52.160 a shape folk. I don't know, I really I've read 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.680 that a couple of times. I googled that word and 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:59.080 I couldn't find anything. That's probably the PC way to 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:08.800 say it tokey the origins. So harns do get quite large, actually, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.120 by the way, some of them do, and we can 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.280 talk about that a little bit later. The largest herons 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.960 get think it was sixty seven now sixteen, they get 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:23.400 like a six or seven ft wingspan. Yeah, those herons 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:28.640 only live in South Africa, so probably not that. But 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:33.000 maybe let's get loose from or something. Possibly we'll talk 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.840 about that in a minute. Contractor Newell Partridge, that's how 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.920 you'd say that, right. Newell told this Mason County sheriff, 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.120 whose name is George Johnson, that when he aimed a 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.280 flashlight at the creature in fields nearby his house, they glowed. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.800 The eyes glowed like bicycle reflectors, and also said that 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.199 there were some buzzing noises from his television set that 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.680 were caused by this animal, and that his German shepherd 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.599 dog definitely disappeared because of this creature. I'm going to 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.240 guess this guy's TV antenna was made out of tinfoil 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:12.040 too in the sixties. I'm guessing that's probably what it was. Yeah. Uh. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:17.560 Wildlife biologists named Dr Smith from West Virginia University told 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.480 reporters that he thought that all of the sightings fit 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.240 the description of a sandhill crane, which is the largest 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:30.080 American crane, which can get almost seven foot wingspan, and 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.920 there have reddish coloring around their eyes. Bird may have 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.160 it's that's not its typical migration route. But you know, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:44.520 birds wanders sometimes they aren't sometimes confined by rules. Sometimes 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.440 you get insane bird too, you know. You know, so 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.000 maybe he was a little nuts and just sort of 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.800 like a lot, and maybe maybe his friends ditched him 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.560 with migration self. And this is where having time stamps 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.000 on these would be really helpful because and we'll talk 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.000 about this when we start talking about the theories. But 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.480 I have some problems with the idea that it's a heron. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.960 Given a lot of the time inferred times, I guess 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.719 that these sightings were happening mostly I infer that these 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.719 were happening at night, because everybody says, oh, when I 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:17.400 shined my flashlight the eyes glowed. That's a reasonable Pretty yeah, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.280 pretty reasonable. And it's a lot easier to stake like 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.680 a heron or a crane for you know, a guy 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.400 with wings. You're not really going to do that during 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:30.199 the days. And then this kind of tragic thing happened, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.959 this bridge called the Silver Bridge, which was in Point Pleasant. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.400 I believe is that the Ohio River was Mississippi knows 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.760 the Ohio River. Sorry that I'm thinking about a different 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.800 bridge collapse that we'll talk about again, Like, um, yeah, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.400 it was the Ohio River caused the death of forty 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:55.640 six people. It collapsed on December sixty seven, and right 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:01.720 after the bridge collapsed, Mothman sightings essentially ceased. There are 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.400 a lot of I guess I should rephrase that. I'm 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:10.240 gonna rephrase it to say generally accepted sightings of Mothman ceased. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.040 There are a lot of sightings since then, but almost 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.959 all of them are brushed off as hoaxes or crazy 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.840 people or somebody you know, falling for a prank or 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.240 things like that. I'm about to say your very favorite 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:31.200 word in this entire world, Steve upologistists. Supologist Jerome Clark 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.000 wrote has written a lot about Mothman, and he says 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:40.720 that for many years after the kind of initial events 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.000 that first sixteen months, I guess it is about sixteen months, 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:50.840 members of the Ohio UFO Investigation League reinterviewed everybody who 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.840 had seen the Mothman or claimed to have seen the Mothman, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:58.360 all of whom insisted that their stories were accurate. Yeah, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.400 and there was a There was a woman named Linda Scarberry. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.600 You're welcome for that last name. She claimed that she 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.200 and her husband had seen the Mothman hundreds of times, 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.960 sometimes at clothes range, commenting, it seemed like it didn't 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.360 want to hurt you. It just wanted to communicate with you. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.000 Most likely, otherwise I'd be a lot of dead people first. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.120 Maybe he engineered the ridge collapse. I'm sorry. I I 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:27.120 really have a hard time when somebody is suddenly saying, oh, yeah, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.280 he hangs out on my place all the time, try 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:36.600 to chat. I really, I've got a discount that perspective. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.440 I agree, it's too easy. I agree. There's a crypto 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:46.120 zoologist named Lauren Coleman who did a bunch of reinterviewing 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.080 of witnesses that had been interviewed for a book that 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.120 we'll talk about in a minute. He re interviewed a 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:56.000 bunch of the witnesses and said that the sightings of 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.640 Mothman kind of continue today, and that the mothman was 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.559 a huge creature about seven feet tall, with huge wings 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.040 and red eyes, and they could see the creature flapping 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.319 right behind them as they fled. Sonesses are saying, yeah, 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:15.160 and they say that that Mothman did flap his wings. Yeah, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:20.200 that's a little departure there, which weren't in the original interviews. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:25.560 Apparently don't change over time. I got it. Yeah, I 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.920 mean the truth doesn't change over time. Really. There have 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.000 also been a lot of sightings of cryptids that could 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.679 be described in a very similar way to Mothman, just 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.960 worldwide and in the I guess the most interesting way 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:46.480 that these sightings correlate with the point pleasant sightings is 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:51.840 that they harold kind of big disasters, for instance, impending 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.200 doom for instance, Yeah, moth there were Mothman sightings or 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:02.599 Mothman like creatures sighted pretty close to right before Chernobyl 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:07.040 had the meltdown. Uh, there were Mothman sightings right before 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.760 mine collapse in Germany. Two of the less popular incidences, 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.480 which is one of the one that I was thinking 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.280 of earlier, was that there was a mothman or mothman 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:21.280 like Kryptid sited before the I thirty five bridge in 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.680 Minnesota collapsed on August first, two thousand and seven. That 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.040 was the one that went over the Mississippi Bridge or 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.880 Mississippi River. Sorry, so that that bridge collapsed, and there 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.360 were apparently reported sightings of Mothman or my mothman like 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:38.560 creature around that time. As apparently there were also two 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.800 pictures taken on nine eleven that were of Mothman or 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.800 a mothman like creature. Okay, I gotta stop here. Okay, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.040 So I'm presuming that you've kind of gone through these 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.200 photos that are of Mothman at these events. Have you 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.600 seen these, Joe, They don't look like much. They they 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.880 they're their way off in the distance and their blurry 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:08.280 spots the bridge collapse. There's this protruding dark spot on 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.640 a collapsing bridge, which I'm sorry it is probably a 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.400 part of the bridge breaking away, not a creature hanging 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.360 out on the bridge. Most likely. I don't want to 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.840 poopoo this, but you know, this makes me think a 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:28.880 lot of the watchers in that show Fringe is there's 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.760 the guys who watch all these events, and so it's okay, 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:36.200 so the moth men or the moth creatures watch all 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.880 these events, and there the Harbingers and they're there to 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.680 witness them all. I mean, that's that's kind of where 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.120 this makes me think it's going. But okay, I can 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.240 see how people do that, except none of the photos 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.640 show anything to Yeah, well, I think you know, one 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.920 of the interesting things is that it's it's actually been 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.200 proven that um, the moth of the quote unquote mothmn 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.520 sighting near Chernobyl it was just really made up on 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.440 the internet. Definitely was totally made up, and I think, 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.000 you know, many of the other ones likely were as well. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.200 And I guess it kind of that takes us pretty 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:13.000 nicely into theories because I guess there are only really 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:17.040 two theories here, and that can kind of spread into 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.440 the rest of the sightings. It's either that the mothman 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.200 is real or the mothman is not real. Now the 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.880 Mothman again and some descriptions of them at least and 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.280 most of them actually he doesn't appear to have a head. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.880 It's like he's got shoulders and then he's got the 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.040 two his two glowing eyes are like kind of set 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.880 in his chest. Correct. Yeah, the schwing shoulder thing is 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.840 higher than than head level, I guess is kind of 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:43.000 the way that the faces lower. That's why they call 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.600 it mothman, right, is because it doesn't look like he's 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.880 like a man with the head and wings that come 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.160 out of his shoulders. It looks like his head is 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.680 down on his body more like where you would put 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.520 moth's head. Well. Yeah, if you look at a moth, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:03.880 their torso extends and then it actually ends, but you 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.840 can't really tell that from a little bit of ways 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.280 because their neck is the same size, and so they 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:14.240 look like one kind of cylindrical thing with big eyeballs 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.800 on it. Yeah, pretty much. And I can see like 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.880 an owl too. Yeah. Now it's great. A great analogy 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:24.480 is and the whole is a great analogy. Yeah. Do 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.840 you guys wanna just go ahead and hop into those theories? 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.360 And there are a lot of theories out there about mothman. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.240 Of course, as I'm sure all of you know, if 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.120 you're even mildly into cryptids of any kind, Mothman's kind 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.359 of the starter cryptid for a lot of people, I feel. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.440 But we're just gonna do some of them the thing, 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.920 you know, of course, the top contenders. Of course I can't. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.320 We can't do all of them. And as I said, 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.879 we're going to break them into two different sections. Either 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.760 Mothman is real or Mothman is not real. Okay, and 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.119 the lines do get a little fuzzy here, but just 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.639 bear with me. Just doesn't matter anyways. Okay, the first 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:14.879 Mothman is real theory, Mothman is real and an alien. Yeah, 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.200 actually this is really interesting. So, uh, Lauren Coleman, that 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:24.600 zoologist do you remember who went around reinterviewing quote, I'm sorry, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.919 the crypto zoologist who went around re interviewing people was 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:33.160 actually re interviewing people that were described as being interviewed 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.720 in this book written by a man named John Keel. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.600 He wrote it in nineteen five. It's called The Mothman Prophecies, 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.560 and it laid out a lot of investigation. It was 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.920 battered deeply with a lot of personal theories. There was 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.040 a movie made of it with Richard Gear. With Richard Gear, 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:57.040 I know, to talk about Richard Gear, he's in love 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.760 with him apparently. I don't know what's going on here, actually, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:05.040 Richard gear oh no, I know, but he'll has a 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.520 lot of theories about UFO sightings. Apparently there were like 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:13.919 strange lights seen around. Oh, I do remember something about 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.560 lights in the sky at the same time. Yeah, and 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:24.840 he he thought pretty strongly that Mothman was indeed an alien. Okay, 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.240 the alien theories my favorite theory. It is well explains 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.879 a lot, I guess I kind of like the next theory. Okay, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:37.400 it's that Mothman is actually a mutated bird. This is awesome. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.119 So actually, it turns out that that you remember that 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.480 TNT factory, the place or what did they call it, 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:48.040 the ten or whatever that the Yeah, it was Lover's Lane. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.800 It was the old World War two munition storage area. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.040 So it's a hot spot, which, as it turns out, 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.840 was evidently a bird sanctuary prior to that. Afterwards too, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.040 and afterwards, and also it was declared I don't remember 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.840 exactly when, but it was declared a super fun site 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:14.320 at one point it was. Yeah, I don't either, I 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.520 don't remember where I saw that, but yeah, apparently it 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.320 was declared a super fun where young teens in the 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.119 sixties went to make out, so apparently since it was 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.720 a super fun site and a bird sanctuary, if you 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.200 just mixed those disgust it's just I mean, honestly like 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:34.080 that it's that is an origin story legitimately, Like I'm 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.440 sure that I've read that in a comic book somewhere right, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:40.359 Like I'm sure that's how Hawkman was formed. I'm sure 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.560 of it. So the fact that this could be some 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:46.800 kind of mutated bird over the years, like, it's not 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.880 that much of a stretch actually kind of what hawk 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:55.200 Man apparently. Listen, okay, I understand that he was, Yeah, 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.919 and he said like he had a one liner that 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.240 was like totally off topic just so that you could 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:05.800 be in it to continue, I mean, okay, and to 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.119 be fair, yes, I'm sure sure Joe is going to 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.440 do the like naything like well that he never flapped 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.439 his wings and like you take off really fast. Whatever 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.560 Man could too, It's fine, doesn't matter. So the bird 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.960 mutating into a really huge bird with red blowing eyes 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.920 and so well, I don't think the thing is that 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:27.399 I'm going to human beings. I'm not sold on the 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.040 like glowing eyes thing. I really like I think all 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.440 of the descriptions were that they were reflective, and lots 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.120 of things glow red when you shine something. I mean, 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.880 like cat's eyes do that all the time. We talked 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.639 about that already. Yeah, so I'm not I mean, I 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.359 don't think that that's so much of a problem for me. Okay, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.080 but now that But the trouble with the mutation theory 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.760 is that it's that exposure to chemicals can cause mutations, 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.560 but those those typically manifest as cancer, not as you know, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.600 magic properties and you know, like you know, sudden changes 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:03.120 in your size. Excuse me, those chemicals don't automatically equate 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:07.600 to getting the three eyed fish in the Simpsons. It 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:12.680 doesn't just automatically wolf something new automatically evolved, but over 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:17.640 over generations and decades of breeding in a bird sanctuary 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:21.080 that also is a super fun site. So why isn't 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:25.080 the Mothman actually at Chernobyl if that's the case, because 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:32.840 it wasn't a bird sanctuary radiation but anyway, but but yeah, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:37.240 my logic is just full proof baffled. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.280 is a normal part of the of the of the 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:46.600 whole process of evolution works. Just let me have my fun, Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.240 thank you, but okay, Nick theory, Mokman is real and 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.440 actually a different kind of cryptid or the other kind 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:58.840 of cryptid, is it? It's hard to tell people. Yeah, 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:04.439 he's he's actually a transformer. Uh. You know a lot 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.800 of people have suggested that Mothman actually might be a 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:12.800 thunderbird from Native American war or or that, or that 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.480 I'm just gonna keep talking here, or that thunderbirds were 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:21.680 actually Mothman. I'm not totally clear on which went which way, 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:26.920 but lifted from Wikipedia, the plural thunderbirds could shape shift 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.000 into human form by tilting back their beaks like a 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.480 mask and removing their feathers as if they were feather 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.960 covered blankets. Their stories of thunderbirds in human form marrying 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.880 into human families, and some families can trace their lineage 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.600 to such an event. Uh. This of course would mean 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:44.760 that Mothman would date to the sixteen hundreds, if not earlier, 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:49.560 or that moth Man is a type of animal. It's 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:55.000 like a like a classification, not one super shy creature 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:59.760 that we rarely see. This the leopards and stuff that 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.080 live the mountains that are seen once every thirty years 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.280 or something is that what you're getting at. Or Bigfoot, Yeah, 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:09.280 sort of Bigfoot like creature totally. Maybe Bigfoot got exposed 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.520 to all these chemicals and humutiated. Maybe it was actually 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:16.320 makes sense. Yeah, I'm not really sold on this whole. 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:20.400 Like thunder thunderboard birds are pretty much accepted as lore, 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:22.680 even by the people who perpetuate the myth. I mean, 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.800 you know, back at back, you know, eons ago in 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:28.359 places like New Zealand, I think here too in the US, 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.480 there were enormous eagles and things like that. I mean 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:33.840 they were like in New Zealand, animals that were big 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.160 enough to carry away a child. Well, I mean he's 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:40.200 still kind of I mean, like California condors are huge still, 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.080 and they're like not even that big compared to how 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.960 big birds used to be. Certainly that existed, does it anymore? 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.639 Would be used with Mothman in the sixties at the 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:53.560 well and I was going to say, is that if 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.600 we're going to go down the thunderbird route, that is 0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:00.480 a legend that was passed down in an oral addition 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:06.520 for who knows how many hundreds of years. It's kind 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:10.680 of like when we were talking about the progress into 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:14.760 the New World and that there would be some prehistoric 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.240 creatures like mammoths and stuff like that. So there's big, 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.840 large creatures around and then the stories and they probably 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.600 weren't as big as they were described, but of course, 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.400 as with all good lore, it evolved. So it goes 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:32.960 from a five or ten foot wide wing span to 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:37.879