1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know the story is 2 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey guys, 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: what's up. It's a Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm I'm Devin, 4 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: joined as usual by Steve, and I apologize for my 5 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: lack of enthusiasm. It's not a real lack of enthusiasm. 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: It's just that I have a cold that's waging war 7 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: with my body right now. The creeping crud. It's the 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: creeping crud crap in a tiny studio. I'm sure we 9 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: all have it at this point. So I apologize if 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: like my voice cracks or anything. I think we're gonna 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: be okay. I'll take pauses for hydration if we need to, 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: but just no, I'm sorry if I get overexcited and 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: my voice just loses. That sounds good, Okay, Okay, everybody, 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: let's just let's just do this mystery day. My boy 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: just gotta sound a little funy because I'm working to 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: put on a hazmat suit. We'll stiff the mic in 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: there with you, don't worry. Okay. So today we're gonna 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: do uh, something we haven't done in a long time, 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: which is a cryptid Yeah, crypto zoology, and we're gonna 20 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: go talk about the moth man. Okay, yeah, the moth person. Okay, 21 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: this also listener suggestion like a really long time ago, 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think it was Tom Tom or Thomas, Yeah, 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: which he has a long time, probably at least a year. 24 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: I apologize it took us so long to get to it, 25 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: but I and I know this came through recently on 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Twitter too. We've got people. Yeah, I guess the man 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: is a very popular one apparently. Yes, so I wrote 28 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: a nice little like lead in which I totally ruined 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: with all of our other stuff. So I'm just gonna 30 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: read it. Everybody, get ready, alright, colored by the fire, everybody. 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: From November nineteen sixty six to December nineteen sixty seven, 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: or maybe as late as two thousand, West Virginia, in 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: the area of Point Pleasant, kind of the middle of 34 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: the western border of the state was plagued by sightings 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: of a very mysterious kind that was good. Right, Why 36 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: did I like just run over that it was good? Yeah. 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: Mothman is perhaps six or seven feet tall, one standing. 38 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: He can fold his wings and walk with this like 39 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: weird kind of shuffle. People talk about it being penguin, 40 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: like penguin, you know, but penguins don't fly, so maybe 41 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: his pants are just down around his ankles. Maybe that's it. Yeah, 42 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: when he flies, his wings kind of just unfold. He 43 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: has arms too, right, so that it's not he doesn't 44 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: like lift up his arms and their wings. He unfolds 45 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: his wings from his back and just shoot straight up 46 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: into the air with great speed, is how they say it, 47 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: and then levels out and goes wherever he wants. And 48 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: nobody's ever seen him flap his wings exactly. And they 49 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: say he can go like three hundred miles an hour 50 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: or something, right, Yeah, I don't know how people are 51 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: able to Yeah, I don't know either. I mean, you know, 52 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: it's one thing to be like, oh, I'm driving in 53 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: my car and he's going a significant amount faster than me, 54 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: but like that's crazy fast. He apparently he just like 55 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: holds his wings out straight and goes spower. I guess 56 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: ill and this this will come to play in the 57 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: theories and later on and all of that stuff. Of course, 58 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: of course, um not to be a tease, but he 59 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: apparently can fly much faster, as Joe was talking about, 60 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: than any kind of bird should be able to fly. 61 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: They say it's like three hundred miles an hour, Like 62 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Joe said, Apparently, Mothman's favorite activity is chasing cars, which 63 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: is how people are able to tell that he goes 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: three hundred miles an hour. I don't know who these 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: crazy people are that are like like a dog. Yeah, yeah, 66 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: well maybe maybe it's a dog with wings. That would 67 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: makes sense kind of, wouldn't it. And he also likes 68 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: to try to tear the roofs off people inside inside 69 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: they're just like they're moving anchovy tins. In some versions, 70 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't have arms. I know, I said he has arms. 71 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: I think he has arms. Lots of the pictures that 72 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: I've seen, the renderings I've seen, he does have arms. 73 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: But some versions say he doesn't have arms, and he 74 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: just has wings with like no palms or fingers or 75 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: hands or anything like that. So he's like futilely trying 76 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: is futileing the right word? Fueling? Futilely, I don't know, 77 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: trying to tear the roof off of cars with like 78 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: no hands or palms. That sounds funny to me, So 79 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: it's not very smart. Yeah, So when the stories of 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: him trying to rip car roofs off. I'm willing to 81 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: like say he doesn't have arms, for the pure humor 82 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: of it. I will go with that. All right, So 83 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: here's how the story goes. You guys ready, really cuddle 84 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: up to the fire this time? Do it? You guys 85 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: doing it? I'm scared. On November twelve, nineteen six, five 86 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: men who were digging a grave at a cemetery, which 87 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: is already totally normal sauce a lot of Yeah, it 88 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: does seem like a lot o work. Yeah. Maybe. Uh. 89 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: They were in western West Virginia. They claimed to have 90 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: seen a man like figure Floyd flying low from tree 91 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: to tree overhead. And this is the widely accepted as 92 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: the first sighting of Mothman. Do we have a time 93 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: of when that was supposed to have happened? No, probably daylight. 94 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: People don't usually dig graves at night unless they're robbing them. Yeah, 95 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: and that's that's my question because that will pertain later. 96 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: But this, but all the other sightings that I've heard 97 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: of happened at night, So this could have happened at twilight. Say, yeah, 98 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: I guess it could have been the end of the shift. 99 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 1: I can buy that, you know, maybe they were. It's November, 100 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: so it gets darker. Yeah, okay, okay, I'll run with that, okay, okay. 101 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: Then on November of the same year, two young couples 102 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: who were doing total normal things in an area of 103 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Point Pleasant. Uh lovers Lane. Yeah, they were Lovers Lane, 104 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: northwest northeast of that's actually yes, that's actually true. It 105 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: was the t N T. It was known as the 106 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: t N T Area, which is the site of former 107 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: World War two munitions plant. They were hanging out there 108 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: for totally normal reasons and then reported to police that 109 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: they saw large white creature whose eyes glowed red when 110 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: the car headlights picked them up, so they reflected they 111 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: didn't glow. I'm just gonna go ahead and make that 112 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: edit right now. As a reasonable human being, if you 113 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: shine a light at something and it reflects that light, 114 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: it's reflecting, not glowing. Yes, it's like a cat, yeah yeah, 115 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: or any animal that or like just any animal. Even 116 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: human eyes reflect light to some extent to some degree. Yeah, 117 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: not red, but yeah, yeah, well maybe who knows, depending 118 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: on the person. During the next few days, a lot 119 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,559 Speaker 1: of other people started to report sightings to volunteer firefighters. 120 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: Um said that they saw a large bird with red eyes. 121 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: A Mason County sheriff said that he thought the sightings 122 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: were due to an unusually large heron that he nicknamed 123 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: a shape folk. I don't know, I really I've read 124 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: that a couple of times. I googled that word and 125 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything. That's probably the PC way to 126 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: say it tokey the origins. So harns do get quite large, actually, 127 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: by the way, some of them do, and we can 128 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit later. The largest herons 129 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: get think it was sixty seven now sixteen, they get 130 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: like a six or seven ft wingspan. Yeah, those herons 131 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: only live in South Africa, so probably not that. But 132 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: maybe let's get loose from or something. Possibly we'll talk 133 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: about that in a minute. Contractor Newell Partridge, that's how 134 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: you'd say that, right. Newell told this Mason County sheriff, 135 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: whose name is George Johnson, that when he aimed a 136 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: flashlight at the creature in fields nearby his house, they glowed. 137 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: The eyes glowed like bicycle reflectors, and also said that 138 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: there were some buzzing noises from his television set that 139 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: were caused by this animal, and that his German shepherd 140 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 1: dog definitely disappeared because of this creature. I'm going to 141 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: guess this guy's TV antenna was made out of tinfoil 142 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: too in the sixties. I'm guessing that's probably what it was. Yeah. Uh. 143 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: Wildlife biologists named Dr Smith from West Virginia University told 144 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: reporters that he thought that all of the sightings fit 145 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: the description of a sandhill crane, which is the largest 146 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: American crane, which can get almost seven foot wingspan, and 147 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: there have reddish coloring around their eyes. Bird may have 148 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: it's that's not its typical migration route. But you know, 149 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: birds wanders sometimes they aren't sometimes confined by rules. Sometimes 150 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: you get insane bird too, you know. You know, so 151 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: maybe he was a little nuts and just sort of 152 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: like a lot, and maybe maybe his friends ditched him 153 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: with migration self. And this is where having time stamps 154 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: on these would be really helpful because and we'll talk 155 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: about this when we start talking about the theories. But 156 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: I have some problems with the idea that it's a heron. 157 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: Given a lot of the time inferred times, I guess 158 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: that these sightings were happening mostly I infer that these 159 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: were happening at night, because everybody says, oh, when I 160 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: shined my flashlight the eyes glowed. That's a reasonable Pretty yeah, 161 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: pretty reasonable. And it's a lot easier to stake like 162 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: a heron or a crane for you know, a guy 163 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: with wings. You're not really going to do that during 164 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: the days. And then this kind of tragic thing happened, 165 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: this bridge called the Silver Bridge, which was in Point Pleasant. 166 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: I believe is that the Ohio River was Mississippi knows 167 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: the Ohio River. Sorry that I'm thinking about a different 168 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: bridge collapse that we'll talk about again, Like, um, yeah, 169 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: it was the Ohio River caused the death of forty 170 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: six people. It collapsed on December sixty seven, and right 171 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: after the bridge collapsed, Mothman sightings essentially ceased. There are 172 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: a lot of I guess I should rephrase that. I'm 173 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: gonna rephrase it to say generally accepted sightings of Mothman ceased. 174 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: There are a lot of sightings since then, but almost 175 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: all of them are brushed off as hoaxes or crazy 176 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: people or somebody you know, falling for a prank or 177 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: things like that. I'm about to say your very favorite 178 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: word in this entire world, Steve upologistists. Supologist Jerome Clark 179 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: wrote has written a lot about Mothman, and he says 180 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: that for many years after the kind of initial events 181 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: that first sixteen months, I guess it is about sixteen months, 182 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: members of the Ohio UFO Investigation League reinterviewed everybody who 183 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: had seen the Mothman or claimed to have seen the Mothman, 184 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: all of whom insisted that their stories were accurate. Yeah, 185 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: and there was a There was a woman named Linda Scarberry. 186 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: You're welcome for that last name. She claimed that she 187 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: and her husband had seen the Mothman hundreds of times, 188 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: sometimes at clothes range, commenting, it seemed like it didn't 189 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: want to hurt you. It just wanted to communicate with you. 190 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Most likely, otherwise I'd be a lot of dead people first. 191 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: Maybe he engineered the ridge collapse. I'm sorry. I I 192 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: really have a hard time when somebody is suddenly saying, oh, yeah, 193 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: he hangs out on my place all the time, try 194 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: to chat. I really, I've got a discount that perspective. 195 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: I agree, it's too easy. I agree. There's a crypto 196 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: zoologist named Lauren Coleman who did a bunch of reinterviewing 197 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: of witnesses that had been interviewed for a book that 198 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a minute. He re interviewed a 199 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: bunch of the witnesses and said that the sightings of 200 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: Mothman kind of continue today, and that the mothman was 201 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: a huge creature about seven feet tall, with huge wings 202 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: and red eyes, and they could see the creature flapping 203 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: right behind them as they fled. Sonesses are saying, yeah, 204 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: and they say that that Mothman did flap his wings. Yeah, 205 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: that's a little departure there, which weren't in the original interviews. 206 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: Apparently don't change over time. I got it. Yeah, I 207 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: mean the truth doesn't change over time. Really. There have 208 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: also been a lot of sightings of cryptids that could 209 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: be described in a very similar way to Mothman, just 210 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: worldwide and in the I guess the most interesting way 211 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: that these sightings correlate with the point pleasant sightings is 212 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: that they harold kind of big disasters, for instance, impending 213 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: doom for instance, Yeah, moth there were Mothman sightings or 214 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 1: Mothman like creatures sighted pretty close to right before Chernobyl 215 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: had the meltdown. Uh, there were Mothman sightings right before 216 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: mine collapse in Germany. Two of the less popular incidences, 217 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: which is one of the one that I was thinking 218 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: of earlier, was that there was a mothman or mothman 219 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: like Kryptid sited before the I thirty five bridge in 220 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: Minnesota collapsed on August first, two thousand and seven. That 221 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: was the one that went over the Mississippi Bridge or 222 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: Mississippi River. Sorry, so that that bridge collapsed, and there 223 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: were apparently reported sightings of Mothman or my mothman like 224 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: creature around that time. As apparently there were also two 225 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: pictures taken on nine eleven that were of Mothman or 226 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: a mothman like creature. Okay, I gotta stop here. Okay, 227 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: So I'm presuming that you've kind of gone through these 228 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: photos that are of Mothman at these events. Have you 229 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: seen these, Joe, They don't look like much. They they 230 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: they're their way off in the distance and their blurry 231 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: spots the bridge collapse. There's this protruding dark spot on 232 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: a collapsing bridge, which I'm sorry it is probably a 233 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: part of the bridge breaking away, not a creature hanging 234 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: out on the bridge. Most likely. I don't want to 235 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: poopoo this, but you know, this makes me think a 236 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: lot of the watchers in that show Fringe is there's 237 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: the guys who watch all these events, and so it's okay, 238 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: so the moth men or the moth creatures watch all 239 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: these events, and there the Harbingers and they're there to 240 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: witness them all. I mean, that's that's kind of where 241 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: this makes me think it's going. But okay, I can 242 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: see how people do that, except none of the photos 243 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: show anything to Yeah, well, I think you know, one 244 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: of the interesting things is that it's it's actually been 245 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: proven that um, the moth of the quote unquote mothmn 246 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: sighting near Chernobyl it was just really made up on 247 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: the internet. Definitely was totally made up, and I think, 248 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, many of the other ones likely were as well. 249 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: And I guess it kind of that takes us pretty 250 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: nicely into theories because I guess there are only really 251 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: two theories here, and that can kind of spread into 252 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the sightings. It's either that the mothman 253 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: is real or the mothman is not real. Now the 254 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: Mothman again and some descriptions of them at least and 255 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: most of them actually he doesn't appear to have a head. 256 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: It's like he's got shoulders and then he's got the 257 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: two his two glowing eyes are like kind of set 258 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: in his chest. Correct. Yeah, the schwing shoulder thing is 259 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: higher than than head level, I guess is kind of 260 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: the way that the faces lower. That's why they call 261 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: it mothman, right, is because it doesn't look like he's 262 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: like a man with the head and wings that come 263 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: out of his shoulders. It looks like his head is 264 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: down on his body more like where you would put 265 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: moth's head. Well. Yeah, if you look at a moth, 266 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: their torso extends and then it actually ends, but you 267 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: can't really tell that from a little bit of ways 268 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: because their neck is the same size, and so they 269 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: look like one kind of cylindrical thing with big eyeballs 270 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, pretty much. And I can see like 271 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: an owl too. Yeah. Now it's great. A great analogy 272 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: is and the whole is a great analogy. Yeah. Do 273 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: you guys wanna just go ahead and hop into those theories? 274 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of theories out there about mothman. 275 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: Of course, as I'm sure all of you know, if 276 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: you're even mildly into cryptids of any kind, Mothman's kind 277 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: of the starter cryptid for a lot of people, I feel. 278 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: But we're just gonna do some of them the thing, 279 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, of course, the top contenders. Of course I can't. 280 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: We can't do all of them. And as I said, 281 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: we're going to break them into two different sections. Either 282 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: Mothman is real or Mothman is not real. Okay, and 283 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: the lines do get a little fuzzy here, but just 284 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: bear with me. Just doesn't matter anyways. Okay, the first 285 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: Mothman is real theory, Mothman is real and an alien. Yeah, 286 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: actually this is really interesting. So, uh, Lauren Coleman, that 287 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: zoologist do you remember who went around reinterviewing quote, I'm sorry, 288 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: the crypto zoologist who went around re interviewing people was 289 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: actually re interviewing people that were described as being interviewed 290 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: in this book written by a man named John Keel. 291 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: He wrote it in nineteen five. It's called The Mothman Prophecies, 292 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: and it laid out a lot of investigation. It was 293 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: battered deeply with a lot of personal theories. There was 294 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: a movie made of it with Richard Gear. With Richard Gear, 295 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: I know, to talk about Richard Gear, he's in love 296 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: with him apparently. I don't know what's going on here, actually, 297 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: Richard gear oh no, I know, but he'll has a 298 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: lot of theories about UFO sightings. Apparently there were like 299 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: strange lights seen around. Oh, I do remember something about 300 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: lights in the sky at the same time. Yeah, and 301 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: he he thought pretty strongly that Mothman was indeed an alien. Okay, 302 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: the alien theories my favorite theory. It is well explains 303 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: a lot, I guess I kind of like the next theory. Okay, 304 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: it's that Mothman is actually a mutated bird. This is awesome. 305 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: So actually, it turns out that that you remember that 306 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: TNT factory, the place or what did they call it, 307 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: the ten or whatever that the Yeah, it was Lover's Lane. 308 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: It was the old World War two munition storage area. 309 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: So it's a hot spot, which, as it turns out, 310 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: was evidently a bird sanctuary prior to that. Afterwards too, 311 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: and afterwards, and also it was declared I don't remember 312 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: exactly when, but it was declared a super fun site 313 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: at one point it was. Yeah, I don't either, I 314 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: don't remember where I saw that, but yeah, apparently it 315 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: was declared a super fun where young teens in the 316 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: sixties went to make out, so apparently since it was 317 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: a super fun site and a bird sanctuary, if you 318 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: just mixed those disgust it's just I mean, honestly like 319 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: that it's that is an origin story legitimately, Like I'm 320 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: sure that I've read that in a comic book somewhere right, 321 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: Like I'm sure that's how Hawkman was formed. I'm sure 322 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: of it. So the fact that this could be some 323 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: kind of mutated bird over the years, like, it's not 324 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: that much of a stretch actually kind of what hawk 325 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: Man apparently. Listen, okay, I understand that he was, Yeah, 326 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: and he said like he had a one liner that 327 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: was like totally off topic just so that you could 328 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: be in it to continue, I mean, okay, and to 329 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: be fair, yes, I'm sure sure Joe is going to 330 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: do the like naything like well that he never flapped 331 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: his wings and like you take off really fast. Whatever 332 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: Man could too, It's fine, doesn't matter. So the bird 333 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: mutating into a really huge bird with red blowing eyes 334 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: and so well, I don't think the thing is that 335 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: I'm going to human beings. I'm not sold on the 336 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: like glowing eyes thing. I really like I think all 337 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: of the descriptions were that they were reflective, and lots 338 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: of things glow red when you shine something. I mean, 339 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: like cat's eyes do that all the time. We talked 340 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: about that already. Yeah, so I'm not I mean, I 341 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: don't think that that's so much of a problem for me. Okay, 342 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: but now that But the trouble with the mutation theory 343 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: is that it's that exposure to chemicals can cause mutations, 344 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: but those those typically manifest as cancer, not as you know, 345 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: magic properties and you know, like you know, sudden changes 346 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: in your size. Excuse me, those chemicals don't automatically equate 347 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: to getting the three eyed fish in the Simpsons. It 348 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: doesn't just automatically wolf something new automatically evolved, but over 349 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: over generations and decades of breeding in a bird sanctuary 350 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: that also is a super fun site. So why isn't 351 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: the Mothman actually at Chernobyl if that's the case, because 352 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't a bird sanctuary radiation but anyway, but but yeah, 353 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: my logic is just full proof baffled. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 354 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: is a normal part of the of the of the 355 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: whole process of evolution works. Just let me have my fun, Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, 356 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: thank you, but okay, Nick theory, Mokman is real and 357 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: actually a different kind of cryptid or the other kind 358 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: of cryptid, is it? It's hard to tell people. Yeah, 359 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: he's he's actually a transformer. Uh. You know a lot 360 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: of people have suggested that Mothman actually might be a 361 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: thunderbird from Native American war or or that, or that 362 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep talking here, or that thunderbirds were 363 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: actually Mothman. I'm not totally clear on which went which way, 364 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: but lifted from Wikipedia, the plural thunderbirds could shape shift 365 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: into human form by tilting back their beaks like a 366 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: mask and removing their feathers as if they were feather 367 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: covered blankets. Their stories of thunderbirds in human form marrying 368 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: into human families, and some families can trace their lineage 369 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: to such an event. Uh. This of course would mean 370 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: that Mothman would date to the sixteen hundreds, if not earlier, 371 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: or that moth Man is a type of animal. It's 372 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: like a like a classification, not one super shy creature 373 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: that we rarely see. This the leopards and stuff that 374 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: live the mountains that are seen once every thirty years 375 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: or something is that what you're getting at. Or Bigfoot, Yeah, 376 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: sort of Bigfoot like creature totally. Maybe Bigfoot got exposed 377 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: to all these chemicals and humutiated. Maybe it was actually 378 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I'm not really sold on this whole. 379 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: Like thunder thunderboard birds are pretty much accepted as lore, 380 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: even by the people who perpetuate the myth. I mean, 381 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, back at back, you know, eons ago in 382 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: places like New Zealand, I think here too in the US, 383 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: there were enormous eagles and things like that. I mean 384 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: they were like in New Zealand, animals that were big 385 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: enough to carry away a child. Well, I mean he's 386 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: still kind of I mean, like California condors are huge still, 387 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: and they're like not even that big compared to how 388 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: big birds used to be. Certainly that existed, does it anymore? 389 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: Would be used with Mothman in the sixties at the 390 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: well and I was going to say, is that if 391 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: we're going to go down the thunderbird route, that is 392 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: a legend that was passed down in an oral addition 393 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: for who knows how many hundreds of years. It's kind 394 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: of like when we were talking about the progress into 395 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: the New World and that there would be some prehistoric 396 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: creatures like mammoths and stuff like that. So there's big, 397 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: large creatures around and then the stories and they probably 398 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: weren't as big as they were described, but of course, 399 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: as with all good lore, it evolved. So it goes 400 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: from a five or ten foot wide wing span to 401 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: a thirty foot wing span over time. Is a story evolved. 402 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: So I can see how that could be a story. 403 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: I just have a hard time with rapping into the bothman, 404 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: I agree. Uh so two things I don't I don't 405 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: want to discuss, but I just want to say. Also, 406 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe mothman is an angel, or also maybe 407 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: a dude with wings, because that's different than an angel 408 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: the angels from doctor who know what? The biblical thing 409 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: kind of I would like weeping angels. Okay, so we're 410 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: talking like like a scary old Testament angels. Are we 411 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: talking like like it's a beautiful, yeah, penevolent kinds of things? 412 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: Or it's a dude with wings, which again a guy 413 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: in a flying suit. Well, actually, okay, that's may as 414 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: well just talk about that now, that's actually dude in 415 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: a flying suit or with a personal flight suit is 416 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: in my Mothman is a hoax slash not real theory. See, 417 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: I was going a dude with wings, actual wings, right, 418 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't just hawkman, which we've already 419 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: talked many Okay, so personal flight suit Okay, And I guess, 420 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: like for me, I'm willing to jump down this rabbit 421 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: hole to use a term that we use like all 422 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: the time, apparently probably overused. We do. We definitely do, evidently, 423 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: but that gets overused a lot. Evidently we evidently use 424 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 1: evidently just evidently too much. I actually really like this 425 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: theory if I can get over the like nineteen sixties, 426 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: the technology probably didn't exist, especially for like semi silent, 427 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: pretty quiet flight. You know, that's the like kind of 428 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: crux of this whole argument. Are you talking like what 429 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: they referred to as the squirrel suit suit like wings 430 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: with propulsion systems? Oh okay, just making sure not like 431 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: the glider the guys you do the base jumps with 432 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: the squirrel sites. This would have had to have a 433 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: propulsion system because he took off, and also from the 434 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: point it was silent. So some sort of or at 435 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: least alien, Yeah, some sort of very expanding I'm thinking 436 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: some sort of alien anti gravity technology something like that. 437 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm thinking that probably it's alien origin and the 438 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: military got ahold of the alien and mugged him and 439 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: took a special suit and dressed up one of their 440 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: test pilots in it. Yeah. I I just I like 441 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: the idea that unknown technology flight suit totally testing people 442 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: are jerks mess with people sometimes. Also, things like night 443 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: vision goggles that glow red. They do have the red 444 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: night they have the red lenses. So if you were 445 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: to flashlights at some that somebody wearing those, they would 446 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: maybe reflect red. I don't know, it makes sense to me. Again, 447 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit, but we'll talk 448 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,239 Speaker 1: about it's more very large heron Yeah really, I mean 449 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: herons do get pretty big. They do, but they aren't 450 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: super nocturnal, especially not super nocturnal like chasing cars. Yeah, 451 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: they're not known for that. Actually. Okay, here's the thing 452 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: about birds. The majority of birds have no night vision. 453 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: That's why birds roost at night is they they can't 454 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: see at night. So let's just suppose that there is 455 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: a bird roosting somewhere and it gets disturbed. I've got 456 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: a bird, and if it's dark and he gets lose. 457 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: He freaks out and he flies around like a crazy creature, 458 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: running into things because you can't see where he's going, 459 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: and he goes for the one spot of light so 460 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: I could see. Let's just let's just propose that there's 461 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: one of these heron's and I can't remember what is 462 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: the name of the heron with the big red circles 463 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: around its side. It's that was a sandhill crane. Okay, 464 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: it's a crane. Sorry I was calling it inherent, but 465 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: the crane thing essentially, if it's something spooks it from 466 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: where it is roosting or sleeping, and it's automatic reaction 467 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: is to get away and fly. It then can't see 468 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: where the heck it's going, so it's gonna go to 469 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: a point of light where it can see to land, 470 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: which would explain why it was following a car. Totally 471 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: totally explain it. It was a bird, Yeah, it could 472 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: have could have just been a really really huge owl too, 473 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: because that was the other thing. Yeah, And they do. 474 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: The other thing about owls that's like super interesting is 475 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: especially like barn owls, Like if it was a really 476 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: large barn owl, for instance, they have they have those 477 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: legs that like look kind of like tiny men legs. 478 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: They are, they're a little stubby, but they are also 479 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: kind of thicker, or at least with all the feathers 480 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: and stuff, they do kind of look like little dude legs. 481 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: And they look kind of furry a little bit. And 482 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, I haven't done my research on how big 483 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: certain owls get, but if it was a particularly large 484 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: owl and people were set well, and if people were 485 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: seeing it as a distance at a distance, and it 486 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: just happens to be in that area, I think that, 487 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, the idea of it being a barn owl 488 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: could make a lot of sense. They fly so silently, 489 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: we're a great horned owl. They get even bigger. And 490 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: then and for both of those owls, they appear to 491 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: have no heads. Yeah, they're they're torso just segways completely 492 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 1: up and they're sort of square, just like yeah, just 493 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: like yeah. And another support for this series isn't a 494 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: little known fact at that couple that was chased down 495 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: Highway sixty two six they were driving a Volkswagen rabbit 496 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: that he made it up. But it was good. It 497 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: was good. No, I mean, you know, I like that 498 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: theory probably the best. And then the last theory is 499 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: that it was just a hoax. It was a hoax, 500 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: and it probably was just a hope. I mean, you know, 501 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: I think that I'm willing to say that, like that 502 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: first sighting probably happened. They were tired, there were five 503 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: of them. He was getting dark. They've probably been drinking 504 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: a little bit. They saw probably an owl or something 505 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: that was pretty large fly. They weren't used to seeing. 506 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of the time of year where things are migrating. 507 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: It's totally possible a bird was migrating through there. They 508 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: saw it go past the corner of their eye and 509 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: one of them was like, oh, dude, you see that, 510 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: And he's like, oh yeah, it looks super creepy. Looks 511 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: like a dude flying. We should get out of here 512 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: because it's creepy already, because it's dark and we're in 513 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: a cemetery and we're digging a grave. Let's get out 514 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: of here. They told they told somebody about it. These 515 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: kids were out at the T and T Place or 516 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: whatever they call it. Got also probably spooked by the 517 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: same animals close enough, you know that, or they didn't, 518 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: and they just like freaked themselves out. So, I mean, 519 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's it's really easy for somebody 520 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: to uh, either say hey, I want to be cool 521 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: and have seen the Mothman, said oh crap, I saw 522 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: them offman and this is my story. Or a bunch 523 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: of teenagers or you know whatever, being jerks and going 524 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: out and dressing up like the Mothman and creeping a 525 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: bunch of people out. You know, it's equally easy that 526 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: it could just be like a whole mix of a 527 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: bunch of that stuff, and then you know, the rest 528 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: is history, do you do? You know? The thing is 529 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: what I never I expected to find in the research 530 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: of the theories on this and the explanations and disclaimers 531 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: and all of that, but I never saw mass hysteria. 532 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean that's kind of the hoax idea, right, 533 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: But but as as the you know, on the detractor 534 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: side of the Mothman is real, I expect to just 535 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: find something that talked about it was mass hysteria, because 536 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: mass hysteria is typically a bunch of people in the 537 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: same area all begin to believe very seriously that they're 538 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: seeing the same event or experiencing the same thing, and 539 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: that can go on for a while. And I could 540 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: see you know, the story ends very abruptly with that 541 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: bridge collapse, which is a huge shocking tragedy, which would 542 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: really rattle that that continued thing that people were quote 543 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: unquote experiencing. Well, that'shole time, that's the thing is like, 544 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's like they lived in a very small town. 545 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you've gone and looked 546 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: at Point Pleasant on Google Maps, yeah, it's a really 547 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: small town. Not a lot going on. And I could 548 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: see why something like this would become kind of a 549 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: fat not necessarily mass hysteria, but just something kind of 550 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: fun to break that they break the monotony, and I 551 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: can see where a lot of people would sort of 552 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: get in on the act. And that of course it 553 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: all ended with a class to the bridge because suddenly 554 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: this whole thing was just knocked out of everybody's minds 555 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: because you have this huge tragedy and suddenly this this 556 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: this silly moth Man stuff just seem kind of pointless 557 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: and stupid when you have this massive die off of 558 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: so many people you knew. I guess my argument against 559 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: the mass hysteria thing would be that to explain mothman 560 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: sightings as mass hysteria would be the same as trying 561 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: to explain most like UFO sightings as mass hysteria. Well, 562 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: but but the caveat is that this is in such 563 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: a small area, in a very small window of times, 564 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: very small window of time, whereas UFOs tend to be 565 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: spread over a wider geographical area. I don't have the 566 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: sense that the sightings were so rampant that the legitimate 567 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: sorry quote unquote, legitimate sightings were so rampant that it 568 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: would be attributed to mass hysteria. I think it was 569 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: a handful of people who and I guess to make 570 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: mass hysteria be a valid theory, we would have to 571 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: accept all of the reports during that time frame, which 572 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: we're we've said we've kind of discounted a number of them. 573 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that many reports actually, I think a 574 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: lot of them have been just sort of tacked on 575 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: over the years. I would agree with that. Yeah, So 576 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: with that, that's the end of the theories we've talked about. 577 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: My favorite, which is the flight suit somehow also mutated 578 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: bird thoughts. Yeah, I think it's a combination aliens and 579 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: flight suit alien technology flight suit, Yeah, I think so. 580 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: I really I really buy into the bird theory. Whether 581 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: it be a you know, a crane or an owl 582 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. I think that that's more likely it cool 583 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: not mutated, just a regular bird. Actually, I think most 584 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: likely that actually is probably really hunting a VW rebbit. Yeah, 585 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: you can find links to some of our research on 586 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: our website, which is thinking site was podcast dot com. 587 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: You might be listen to us there. 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We have a Facebook 604 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: page and group you can guess and join us. I guess. 605 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: We also have a Twitter Thinking Sideways without the G 606 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: because we're so hip and cool, and you can always 607 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: send us an email. If you are the moth Man 608 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 1: and you do have fingers and palms, send us an email. 609 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: That email address is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. 610 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of email, this is something we haven't done in 611 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: a while. We've been at about that. We just we've 612 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: got to have to hire a couple of interns. We 613 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: might actually have to at this point. You guys are 614 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: sending up so much stuff better I might need to 615 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: get better. Yeah, well we did. We talked about this, 616 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: I think a couple episodes ago where I was just like, wow, 617 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: you guys have just suggested literally every unsolved mystery that 618 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: any of us have ever heard of. So cool, we're 619 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: listeners suggestions for the next three years. Awesome. Anyway, this 620 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: one actually was not a suggestion, um, and I'm really really, 621 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: really really happy we got it for chains to the 622 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: Bill Brennan episode Who's the Guy from Las Vegas from 623 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: Las Vegans. Yeah, and it's from a girl named Rachel. 624 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: And she says, hey, there, I'm sure you received a 625 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: lot of email about this, but I just wanted to 626 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: let you know that the Stardust sign is actually located 627 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: in the Neon Museum in Las Vegas, So no worries, 628 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: it's safe and sound. I highly recommend a trip to 629 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: the museum if you find yourself in Las Vegas. And 630 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: then she of course says that she loves our show 631 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: and everything's perfect and wonderful in this world. Well, no, 632 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: I'm really glad. Yeah, I had no idea that wasn't 633 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: Neon Museum. That's awesome. So I bet that thing is spectacular. 634 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 1: I bet, yeah, I would. I need to find a 635 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: reason to go to Vegas, mainly because I need a 636 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: reason to go to Vegas. Are you getting married soon? Like? Yeah, 637 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: you just do that? Yeah, that might have to be 638 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: a well I'm I don't like to spend money, but 639 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: that might be a bachelor thing or just like take 640 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: your lovely fiance and like, don't spend money on a wedding. 641 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying I know she'd be 642 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: totally into it. I don't think she'd be totally into that. 643 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: That would not go over well. Well, we do have 644 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: one other email that I wanted to share. Yeah, um, 645 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: so this is from Jason, and Jason said, you've probably 646 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: heard this a thousand times so far, but I recently 647 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: discovered your podcast. And he did what so many people do, 648 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: he binge listened to the whole catalog. I like, that's cool. 649 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: That's a lot of listening. Well, there's lots of listening 650 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,479 Speaker 1: to our stupid voices, Jason, Jason, I hope you didn't 651 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: like neglect your personal hygiene or eat or anything like that. Well, 652 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: Jason did say that, you know, of course, thanks for 653 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: all the great work, which I appreciate and thank you, uh, 654 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: and he really enjoyed it. But this is what I 655 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: found so great is that he said that he's never 656 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: really listened to podcasts, so ours was the first one 657 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: of only two that he does listen to, which I 658 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: I really I find that kind of a little feather 659 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: in our cap. What's the other one? He didn't say, 660 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: But you know what what I did like is, and 661 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: just paraphrase this, is that he, uh, he likes stories 662 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: like what we cover. But he was having a hard 663 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: time finding someplace to explore him and talk about him. 664 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: I guess he had tried to go on message boards 665 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,720 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He got to web sluices, which 666 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: kind of evidently, well, web slues gets a little depressing 667 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: after a while, and he'd gone to some of the 668 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: paranormal boards, but of course because he was trying to 669 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: put up some alternate theories, they didn't like him so much. 670 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: So Jason, we like you. You're totally welcome here and 671 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: we are totally glad you you found the show, and 672 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: thank you for sending this the email. Thank you, I 673 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: gotta say, is careful kind of hard to slock to ca. Yeah, No, 674 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: you can't spend a lot of time and we should 675 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: be careful. Yeah. Anyways, with that having been said, to 676 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: steal a phrase, We're gonna get out of here. I'm 677 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: gonna not flap my wings and fly away. I'm gonna 678 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: shoot straight up, straight up in the air, and then 679 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm not just goodbye. Everybody who