WEBVTT - Jeremy Chinn 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.600 This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.879 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.680 Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John and this 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.640 is cut to it. Good do it, Good do it. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.520 That's getting down to do it, Good do it. We 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.880 asked the questions you always want to know, but no 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:29.040 one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't heard 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.040 am about it? Then we're about to let you know. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:41.640 It's all this story has never been told. Let's go 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.840 what's on your mind? What's on your mentor? So, what's 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:49.560 all my mentor is? We usually don't we usually don't. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.320 We usually do evergreen, But this is gonna be stapled 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.120 with we're gonna marry this with a panther, So we're 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:05.319 gonna go with a Carolina panther. Insider Moose and Smitty, 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.959 Uh conversation. So a conversation when you and Mousie mohammed, Yeah, 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.720 pull it. You're pulling this out the archives in the crates. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:19.000 This is actually I'll say this start off. Moose is 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:24.559 like my big brother. We were super competitive, uber uber competitive. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.679 But there were times where I got on moose nerves 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.440 and Moose got on my nerves as as what happens 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.560 when in brotherhoods. So my rookie wasn't my rookie year, 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:42.320 my second year, one of my years. Uh. Actually Moose 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.400 didn't know it, but Moose kind of made me who 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.320 I was, who who I am today and high Win 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:53.880 is UM coach Richard Williamson was. He was always tough 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:59.800 on me, always tough and um one day in his 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.040 wife Norma, Uh, I loved them, love her she you know, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:09.680 speak to her. I never can say anything negative towards Richard. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.639 He always pushed me to places that I didn't want 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.720 to go, and that's the sign of a great coach. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:21.079 But on this day, Richard was the offensive coordinator. Mike 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.799 McCoy was the wide receiver's coach. Mike McCoy was the 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:28.240 head coach of the same seven UM offense coordinator for 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:33.440 Denver Broncos when UH coach As McDaniels became head coach, 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.720 and then he became head coach of San Diego Chargers 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:42.080 and now he's just at the house chilling. So one day, um, 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.360 so this was my rookie here one day, running the 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.560 wrong routes, old West Coast offense. I came from a 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:52.520 number system out of college and Richard Williamson grabbed me 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.840 and kind of like talked down to me. He was 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.120 a coach, but he talked down to me and told 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:04.280 me how he felt about me that day. That day 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:09.120 he didn't feel really good about me, and he kind 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.360 of grabbed me and it rubbed me the wrong way. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.880 And when he grabbed me, you know, uh, I want 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.480 to say I blanked out, but I was getting close 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:24.080 to grabbing him, and Mike kind of like stepped in 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.960 between us, and you know, and Richard was cussing and 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.240 I said a few choice worst as well. Um, I know, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:35.400 big surprise and um, but Moose did something that just 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.080 kind of got to me. And Moose said, man, you 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.640 from Cali. You're supposed to be one of them Cali dudes. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.880 You like that old man do that to you, And 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.000 Moose just poured it on. So my mom is one 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.960 of thirteen, and I have an uncle named Tim who's 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.200 maybe six or eight years older than me, but he's 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.119 like my big brother. Um. He actually he got kicked 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.200 out of the house from my grandfather, um, my grandpa Alfred. 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.400 He actually when I was in when I was young, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:10.720 he actually lived. He was my roommate, no, and when 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:16.080 he was going to high school and so he's like 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.359 ten years older than me. So I was like a 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.559 first or second grade and I'm rooming with a dude 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:25.159 that's a senior in high school. Super odd, right, But 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.280 you know that's just how it is a close family. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.520 And why is uncle Tim coming into the picture? Well, 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.120 Moose hit me with that, and I just hit it 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.679 didn't sit well with me, and I took my time 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.919 coming home and I remember parking in the driveway and 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.000 I called him. I had texted him and I called him, Well, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:52.279 I actually chirped him because and so he called me. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.280 He's like, what's up? And I told him what happened, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.760 and I told him how Moose and kind of like, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.280 you know how he played this played up the situation 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.560 in a in a on the field in the locker room, 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:10.520 and I just remember crying and I was really emotional 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:18.400 about it. And my uncle said, well, you know, Steven, um, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.360 this isn't Steven. I know, first of all, why are 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.160 you crying like this? And I explained it to him 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.880 and he was like, well, you still haven't told me 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.599 why you're crying like this, because that's not to Steven. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.080 I know, this is not the callie, it's not the 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.440 it's not the family member, the kid that I know. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:43.039 And his response really challenged me. He was he was 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:48.840 not empathetic sympathetic one bit. But what was really cool 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.840 is I remember he said, so, what are you gonna 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.520 do about it? I was like, what you mean? He said, 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.360 what the funk are you gonna do about it? And 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.839 I remember I was like, you know what, all right? 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.240 He said, no, I want you to tell me. And 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.640 I said, well, He's like, the best thing you can 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:14.159 do to get back at Moose is what I don't like. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.600 You know, you're all emotional. I don't know what was asked. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.600 You know, he's He's like, no, what can you do? 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:25.719 From that day forward, moose challenge they ignited me to 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:31.400 the point of and again I say this, really I 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.159 have a great relationship with Moose. But what Moose doesn't 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.360 understand is Moose created me because when I got off, 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.440 when I got off the phone, the things that I 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.880 said to my uncle is which I lived every day, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:49.080 which is my goal was to remove Moose off every 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.080 category in the wire receiver's record books. For the Carolina Panthers. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.040 My goal was to when they say Carolina Panthers wire 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:04.400 receiver Moosie Mohammed's name is not to be mentioned. And 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.720 from that day forward, whatever Moose did, my goal was 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.680 to do it better. If he caught one pass one 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.800 one hand, I want to catch twen. If he called 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.320 two first downs, I want to catch twenty. If he 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.800 finished with twenty yards of yak, I want to catch 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.960 with forty. Every single day from that day forward, my 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:27.960 goal was to remove Moose from the record books. And 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:36.080 there's only gonna be one name my every single day 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:43.160 for four or five years, it didn't matter. Smiled at him, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.400 I loved him still. It's still a colleague, right, But 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.679 my goal was to remove him from the record books. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.440 And the crazy part is because at that moment he 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.680 challenged me and didn't know it, and he invented me 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.920 and every day after that. Because when I first came out, 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.679 I was seven in college, so I wanted eighty seven 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.960 and I asked him. He was like, go see some Well, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.560 I mean I didn't know any better, but you know, also, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.000 all you can do is tell me no. So I 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.600 was like, all right, cool, And so what's crazy is 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.160 you know? No, nobody really knows that the one person 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.680 that really knows it. And he told me he never 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:31.280 he said, never tell him that story. Mr Risa told 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.520 me Moose did not. Don't ever tell Moose that he 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.160 created you. So he didn't even know that. Now he 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.920 doesn't even know that. He probably here because you know 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.720 they're they're probably running. But the fact of the matter is, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.679 that's the reason why it went so hard. That's why 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.760 I never really got along with anybody. My goal was 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:57.880 seeking destroy, remove, eradicate. That's what happened. I was saying, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.640 that's what you did. That's what I did. Not respect Moose. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.320 Love Moose, but from a competitive from a competitive standpoint, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:12.160 competitive standpoint, you didn't have a chance. And it's crazy, 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.280 and a lot of people don't know that. Well, I 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.000 don't have a follow up to that, you nailed it. No, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.080 what am I supposed to say to that? The crazy 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.679 part now, and here's that he's gonna like, fuck no, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.040 I mean, but you gotta respect it. You gotta respect it. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.000 So yeah, but it was cool because my uncle tell me. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.600 He challenged me, he said, what are you gonna do? 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.640 But both dudes did yeah, right, yeah, but he he 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.679 challenged me. I guess my uncle challenged me because I 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:45.600 knew the relationship, right, Me and Moose plays golf and 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.920 with all that stuff. At some point probably here here, 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.240 that's it. He'll be like, So if I wouldn't have 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:58.800 did you're telling me? Yeah, thanks Moose, appreciate it. Appreciate 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:03.240 your Moose. Thank you. Akona Madonna. So, hey, who is going? 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.960 Actually we got Jeremy Chen. That's where we have. It's 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.800 a Panther podcast today, will cut to it coming upon 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.520 the cut to a podcast. We've got Jeremy Chin, a 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.199 second round pick for the Carolina Panthers, the only defensive 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.640 player to have scored touchdowns on consecutive plays. He's a 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.800 two time NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month Award winner 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.319 and a star in the making. Jeremy Chen on the 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:35.400 Cut to It podcast, Yeah for sure, thanks telling me on. Alright, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.640 So our first segment is called get Iced Up. It's 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.280 our version of Icebreakers. You play for the Panthers. You're 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.360 familiar with ice up son and all that stuff, but 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.920 this is our version of icebreakers. So their random questions 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.240 might be a follow up, might not be. These are 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.559 all selected at random. So Smithie, go ahead and get first. 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.840 Get iced up question. Alright, buckle up, buttercup, there we go. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:11:00.440 So you must lose a body part? Which one? Which 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.680 body part are you gonna lose that you feel you 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.920 can lose and comfortably operate through the world after this 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:15.000 A body part, probably arm or something arm. Maybe it 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.440 got to be limb. I don't care. I'm not doing 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:20.920 I'm trying to figure out. You still going to be 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.600 able to make your money on one leg? Look what 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.160 I said, arm, not leg? On, you said, I said, 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:34.560 I said, yeah, we record this, Yeah, we we can go. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.920 We can go into the hood too. Now he said 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:43.599 leg he said, I'm keeping my legs. I'll stay on. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.439 If I had to choose, I mean between between, yeah, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.080 you can. You can take the arm, all right, I'm 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.520 a husband. But if I had to choose, I'm a 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.280 husband and the father. So I'm gonna take the easy 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.840 right out. Just take one of my ears. I'm good, 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:16.440 just the ear chest finger anythink about my answer now 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.080 I'm stunking one on. Yeah, but here's here's the problem, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.679 Jeremy defensive players. Yeah, I think quick, you just just 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:33.319 re react. He reacted. Now he's walking around right. Uh. 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:40.840 Favorite rookie moment. This past season. My favorite rookie moment 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.560 would probably be my first dug in l A. Yeah, 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.160 what about that? Was? It is my first win? Like 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.480 we lost to States and then went out to l A, 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.280 my first time out in l A, my first time 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.320 out west period. Um, and just getting a win on 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.040 the road and the plane ride back on memorable. Got 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:12.280 you your favorite breakfast food? Uh? Specifically? Okay, what's in 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:22.720 your I got onions, mushrooms, Uh, spinach, sausage, they can sometimes. Okay, 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:25.400 there's a lot of stuff in that. It did that 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:30.800 sounds like that I was eating that every morning. Really, Okay, 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.880 let's just jump right into it. You know, um, growing up? 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:40.800 What what sports? What different sports did you play? We're 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:46.120 gonna play basketball, football, and soccer? Track m Okay, what 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.720 position did you play in soccer? I don't know. I 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.359 was I was young. I was at the running around, 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:58.480 so I don't know. I was just cluster to the right, 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.480 cluster to the left. Everybody, let me let me run around? 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.240 All right? Now, the streets say that you can you 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.160 can hoop, and that you got some pretty memorable dunks 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.320 that you got. Don't care, Yeah, I don't. I don't 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.679 know if I still got him all, but yeah, I 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.839 got a few. Okay, I can't get up. Look he 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.040 chees it. We know some people with the horn it man. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.560 So if you gotta, you know, stretch some rolls, we'll 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.800 make some phone calls. Look, I can do that. That's okay, 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.400 that's perfectly fine. We can do that. Who's your favorite 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:37.200 team growing up? The Patients? Jermaine O'Neil, Reggie Miller, Danny Granger, Um, 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:42.920 Jamal Tensley, m all those guys. M his his his 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.400 little Hamsters running Danny Granger. Yeah, Stephen Jackson was on 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.840 those teams, even Jackson, Yeah, run out of test. Where 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.880 are you from and the place you call your hometown. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.120 I'm from Fisher's, Indiana, and I called claud Fisher, Indiana 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:06.960 my hometown. The wearest Fishers you know. Related to say, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:13.920 the combine in Indiapolis's. Indianapolis is about ten minutes ten 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:18.960 minutes from from from Indianapolis, probably about from from the stadium, 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.520 fifteen and twenty from the stadium. Yeah, so you just 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.360 kind of on the outskirts. Yeah, yeah, okay, the small 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:31.760 little suburb then. Yeah, so growing up in Indiana, how 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:37.640 did it influence you today? Growing up in Indiana, especially 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.920 playing football, Like, not a lot of people from Indiana 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.720 make it out playing football. Well, this is a really 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:46.160 big basketball state, So playing football here in Indiana, you 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.400 kind of gotta make it the hard way. You know, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.120 there's not a lot of five star recruits you hear 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.520 about coming from Indiana. When you say make it the 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.440 hard way, what do you mean make it the hard way? 0:15:55.560 --> 0:16:00.280 Because everybody this version of hard way is is different. Yeah, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.440 I would say, m you already just counted out, like 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.680 you from Florida. Um, you know this school is here 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.400 in the state of any of that just go to Florida. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.960 The recruit like, they don't even look at Indiana. So 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.200 I mean that's just yeah, it's just already like all right, 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.280 they're just looking past this already. I heard a lot 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.120 of good stories rast some research on you on your 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:23.280 relationship with your folks and how impactful they were throughout 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.160 your life. Um, you know, kind of walk us through that. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.320 You know, we hear sometimes we hear, oh my, my 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:35.640 folks were uh influential. Um, And I think sometimes that's 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:40.440 the answer that a lot of times we don't get 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.480 the we don't get the opportunity to follow up on 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:48.400 to heal, to hear the details of how they impact, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.240 how they influenced you. So walk us through, you know, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.760 love on your folks, man, tell us what what did 0:16:54.800 --> 0:17:00.160 they instill in you? Um, that impact you? Uh you 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.280 know to be Jeremy. I don't know you personally. All 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.639 I know is what I've seen on a football field 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.879 and what I mean on tape. Uh, you know, preparing 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.520 last year for the combine and seeing what kind of 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:17.040 player you are. Um, those instincts, Uh, that smile, that 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:22.520 infectious smile, that that um active football player you are. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.960 I know you. You know you can't take all the 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:31.040 credit um. Um. So obviously you know you've been coached 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:36.720 by some obviously some coaches, but there's two coaches that 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.480 that that held your hand and raised you up way 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:45.520 before the other sports coaches got got there, got their part. Yeah. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.199 So I mean a lot of that go out to 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.560 my mom. Really. She she basically raised um, me and 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.800 my settlings, my my younger sister and my older brother 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.720 by herself, you know for the most part. Um. And 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.160 they were days like she she would work like late, 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.520 just come home and still make sure that we had 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.840 something to eat before she go to sleep. Um. You know, 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:10.800 she just never complained. I know there was some days 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.160 she was tired, she didn't feel like going to work, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.760 or didn't feel like you know, making sure you know, 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.520 we had something to eat, feel like cooking or whatever 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.040 it was. But um, you know, I never saw her 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.560 complain one time. So that's something I try to take 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.919 from her, and she kind of stood that into me. Um, 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.320 you know, even even through you know, when times get hard, 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.199 like it's gonna be right of days, I feel like, 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.719 right now this is a a bright of time for her, 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.240 especially just seeing me in the position that that I'm 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.439 in now. So, um, you know, life definitely goes full circles. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.160 So you know, I'm blessed to be an ex position 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.320 and look back and be able to give her the 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.760 credit that she deserves. So we we learned of one 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.080 story about your mom to where she actually dropped you 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:55.040 off at practice once and you want crutches. I don't 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.720 know that story for us, and sounds like your mom's 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:04.000 toughness on you. Yeah, um yeah. I think I was 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.800 maybe in the fifth grade of something, and we had 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.800 we had practice like Tuesdays and Thursdays. I think we 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.920 played on Saturdays or something. Um, so I got hurt 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:20.879 whatever like Tuesday. Yeah, um, I I don't remember what 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.440 was going on, but I was like, man, like I'm hurting, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.840 I don't feel like practicing or something like that or whatever. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.080 But we played. We played on Saturday, and you know, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:31.919 in fifth grade, we we played at the at the 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:33.960 high school stadium. So like when you're in fifth grade, 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.199 that's like a big deal. That's like playing in the 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.640 super Bowl, you know, as a fifth grade So, um, 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.840 So I come to practice the next practice on crutches 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.240 and my mom goes up to my coach and he's like, uh, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.280 She's like, yeah, Jeremy, Um, he doesn't really he doesn't 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.639 really need these crutches. I think he just needs, you know, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.800 basically like a kick in the butt whatever. Um he's feeling, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.520 he's feeling some type of way. I don't know, but 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:00.960 you know, end of the story. S long story short, 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.680 I ended up, you know, coming off the crutches. I 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:05.359 didn't need him. You know. I was being a drama 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.240 for me. Same day, same day, next day around that 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:10.960 I could I couldn't do the same day. I had 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:18.119 to lingrate off of you. I had the milk it Uh, well, 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.280 I better the day but now that's basically you know 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.400 what that was. He you said you weren't necessarily hurt. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.240 So where did you get the crutches from? That's actually 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:32.280 a great question. Yeah, we we had because it sounds 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.439 like your mom didn't take you to the doctor. No, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.160 I think we did go to the doctor. I think 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.520 I think we did go to the doctor because we 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.040 didn't just have crutches laying around the house, so we 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.080 had to go to get them from somewhere. So I 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.720 don't got the food details of the story. I was 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.479 a while ago. Um No, but yeah, so I'm off 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.280 the crutches, but she always instilled that toughness in me. 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.239 We have to take a break and the morning thing 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.600 we got paid from bad mm hm, you got checks. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.880 I love cut to It and I love it even 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:13.320 more when you download us and subscribe, and you can 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.840 follow us on social media too, Smithie where where at? 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:20.360 That's at? Cut to It on Instagram? What about Twitter? 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.240 At cut to It? Facebook? Cut to It featuring Steve 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:28.040 Smith singr? What about online? And you can follow us 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.720 at cut to It podcast dot com where you can 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.920 buy merch and you can subscribe to us wherever you 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:38.280 listen to podcasts. I got all my answers questions. Um, yeah, 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:42.040 I got all my questions answered. That's what I'm here for. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:46.600 A brother cut to a podcast dot com. You weren't 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.840 heavily recruited, um because of it, like you said, Indiana, 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.879 but also too, you aren't very you aren't necessarily tall. 0:21:55.000 --> 0:22:00.520 You're five seven. Now what's cool is? Uh? You know 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.760 I'm not I'm not killing him in the height department 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:07.840 myself and with covid hit, my son Boston was like 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:13.480 five four five, size nine nine, a half shoe covid hit. 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:20.679 We've been in quarantine shutdown. August comes. Um, we were 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.600 actually moving and we had a lot of our clothing storage. 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.680 We come back in August. My main gets his closed 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:31.720 out of storage. He's wearing a size twelve and a 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:36.399 half shoe and he's like five nine. He's putting on 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:40.040 like an old pair of sweats and they're flooding. You 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:44.359 had the same thing. Okay, So my sophomore year high school, UM, 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.600 I was five seven, like Max pushing it. He gave 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.399 me five seven, like I'm cheesing, Like I'm all right, 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:57.040 I'm five seven. Um, and then I was probably on 0:22:57.920 --> 0:22:59.560 what were you playing? At that What position were you 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:03.399 playing at that point? I was a corner. I was 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.400 a corner at that point. Yeah. Were you tackling at 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:12.800 that corner? Oh? Yeah, okay, so I'm sorry. It ain't 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.960 that changed. I seen my tape. Yeah, and now I 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:20.960 go cut it on. But um, I like that. I 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.000 like but five shot one through. If I gets ready 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:29.359 over there, go low and go low. Uh five steps 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:30.879 twenty five. You gotta know what you're working with and 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.320 you just come on. You gotta know what you're working with. 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:39.640 So m my junior year, come around, my junior year, 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:43.000 I was about um, like five nine to five ten. 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.920 But I was growing so fast my junior year in 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.320 high school. That ended up missing half my junior year 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:52.080 because like hamstring problems. Um. I was just growing so fast, 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.960 like my body couldn't keep up. Um, Like my muscles 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:56.960 couldn't keep up in my bones and stuff like that. 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.440 So I had some hamstring problems my junior year. UM, 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.639 and that really messed up on my recruiting, just because 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.720 you know, that's a big recruiting year. Junior year. Come around. 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:10.120 My senior year, I was about six ft now probably 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.000 and then I really I mean I've been growing all 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.639 the way through college for the most part. But my 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.480 senior high school that's when I hit six ft. Wow, 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:26.600 she's five seven six, right, I wonder, I wonder, what's 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:34.480 that like? Man? That was problems on the Star over 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:41.640 not for real, not for real. Hey, you know, take 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.280 us through, Take us through the take us through your 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.480 your college process. You know you you you have this 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:52.760 gross fur um. You're not getting heavily recruited. You know 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:57.119 you desire to play football, obviously. Yeah, you wanted to 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.440 play football. You just wanted to run around and play 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.560 some kind of sport. And you you fell in love 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:06.399 with basketball football. What was that? What? What What was that 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.360 recruiting process like for you? And and and and how 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:13.400 did you come up with the decision, um, to go 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.800 to go to college? Yeah? Man, the recruiting process was 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:23.879 so frustrating. It was so frustrating. Um one, just because 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.480 I didn't I didn't get any any attention, any offers 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.600 until I had I had four games after my senior year. 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:32.520 That's when I got my first offer. M Yeah, So 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:36.480 like I got people I'm playing against every every week. Um, 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:40.440 you know, teammates everything college is coming in recruiting. My 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.119 teammates like offering my teammates and I'm just like and 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:46.200 then offering people I'm playing against, like we're going ahead 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:51.400 to the head and you know, I still got no love. UM. 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.679 And then I say camp. It was. It was a 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.480 summer camp before my senior year, and I met the 0:25:56.560 --> 0:26:00.560 decordinary at the time at Southern Illinois. UM. So we started. 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.199