WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Hip-hop Works 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:04.160 M Hey everybody, and welcome to this week's UH Saturday 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.520 edition of Stuff You Should Know, the Selects edition. Uh. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:09.560 This is my pick this week, and I'm gonna go 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:14.520 with How Hip Hop Works from July eleven, a little 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.639 more than four years ago. And I just remember this 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.000 being a great episode. Um. I learned a lot about it, 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.239 and I was someone who was into the music side 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.120 of hip hop in college. But hip hop is much 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.280 more than music. Uh, It's about an entire culture which 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.680 encombs as many different things. So give it a listen, 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.559 and as always, if you've heard it once, you might 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.720 find something new upon a second listen, and I hope 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:48.600 you enjoy it. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:57.400 How Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.480 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryan, I'm on 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.880 Mike one, he's on my three. Jerry's on the Wheels 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.280 and Steel And this is the Stuff You Should Know 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.600 the podcast. That's right. Terminator X is to our right. Yes, 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.880 that's you, Jerry. That's my favorite. DJ. Is it man? 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.400 Unbelievable stuff? D J Hurricane was pretty great. Yeah, it 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.959 was pretty great. True. Yeah, I mean if you go 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.000 back and listen to Best Boys stuff, the stuff that 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.080 he was doing. Yeah, it's like I grew up with it, 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.280 so I took it for granted. But with many things 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.160 as a grown up. Now I'm looking back and like 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.520 that was pretty amazing. Yeah, I'm still gonna go with 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.600 Terminator X, just like by fractions of a point though. Yeah, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.680 I put them at the top. Yeah, not like cool 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.280 hirc Hey, cool hirk Man. He's what they call the 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.680 O G Chuck spoiler alert. Yeah we should say that. Um, 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.960 we're fouring in a territory where we have little no 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:55.080 business because we're pretty square, but we can still talk 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.080 about hip hop. That's not true. I was. I was 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:58.920 into the stuff at one point. I was into it too. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.480 I'm still square. Yeah, but I think we have business, 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.400 just as much business as we would any other music. Alright, fine, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.040 you know we're cool then, man, we're cool to cool? 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.240 Is that cool? Okay, you don't have any business, so 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.440 h we're talking about hip hop today. It has a 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.080 very long tradition that dates all the way back to Africa, which, 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.919 as we'll see, um, but then the modern incarnation is 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.960 a little more recent. Still, it's kind of old it's 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.560 got some pretty surprising and interesting routes. But we should say, um, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.280 and this is something that I was always hung up 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.080 on for a long time. And Catherine Near, who wrote 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:39.120 this article um goes to too, points us out the 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.840 difference between hip hop and rap. They're not the same thing. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:47.240 It's like the square and the rectangle thing. Yeah, exactly. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.600 So moving on, No, hip hop is more like a 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.760 it's a cultural movement. It's more than just rap. Rap 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.000 is a type of music that falls under the umbrella 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.160 of hip hop. So you can say that rap is 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.920 part of hip hop, right, but hip hop is not 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.280 necessarily wrapped like the square in the rectangle. They go 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.919 hand in hand though, you know. Uh yeah, And you know, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.720 I was trying to find out who coined, uh, the 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.360 term hip hop, and it's one of those things where 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.639 there's a bunch of people that that kind of get 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.680 credit for it. Yeah, everyone from I mean, some people 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.960 say Keith Cowboy Wiggins from Grandmaster Flash, he was definitely 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:25.519 the one, and then other people say, no, it was 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.680 DJ Hollywood or love Bug Star Ski and other people 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.720 say what about sugar Hill Gang or HERK. So I 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.880 don't know if it's been pinpointed, but it was used 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.800 in print in for the first time in the Village Voice, 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.520 although it was surely used in the late seventies and uh, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.600 you know on the street. Yeah, because herk was I mean, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.640 he coined a lot of terms like That's one of 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.080 the interesting things about this is like we can trace 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:53.160 it back pretty confidently and find like actual origins of 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.520 this what's become this global international cultural phenomenon. We have 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.920 seen the birth of a new music for in our lifetimes, 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.840 which is pretty cool. We have and that's the only one. No, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:09.360 that's not true. What about like electronica? Uh yeah, I 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.240 guess so. But you could also say that that well 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:18.160 sort of the same as like synthesizer from like the seventies, right, yeah, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:19.800 but that was like used in rock and roll. I 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.640 don't know, maybe that counts. I think it counts, you do, sure, 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.200 electronica hip hop, um E d M. That's electronica, right, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.279 I think so, Yeah, electronic dance music. So yeah, but 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.880 I would say, yeah, I would say that qualifies. Even still, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.039 it doesn't diminish the birth of hip hop, No, of 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.760 course not. I mean there's two that's better than one, right, 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.440 that's right. So Chuck. When you're talking hip hop and 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.640 you talk to a cultural historian about hip hop and 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.000 say what is hip hop? They're pretty much going to 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.720 give you four aspects that combined make up the cultural 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.960 movement of hip hop? Right. Yeah. And Catherine who wrote this, uh, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:05.560 is a his historical cultural historists historian UM, and I 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.560 can't remember her her graduate degree, but it has something 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.960 to do with this very closely. I just can't remember 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.159 exactly what it was in. So that's why when you 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.000 read this, you're like, man, Catherine really got into this 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.760 article for sure. You know it's pretty broad and there's 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.680 a lot of info here. Yeah, so we should get 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.560 to it the four things. And it started out it's 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.760 just like graffiti, break dancing, MCing, dejaying, and rapping. These 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.760 days you might see it portrayed more as visual arts. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.760 Graffiti included in that, but film and other graphic arts, 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.800 written and spoken word UM. So not just rapping and 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:45.560 m seeing, but performance poetry. Uh. Physical movement UM, which 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.680 is not just breakdancing, but a lot of dance styles, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:54.400 including my favorite crumping. Crumping is pretty cool. It's unbelievable. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:59.000 Somebody going nuts. It's awesome, and so like herkey jerky 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.880 yet controlled and I just I could never in my 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.719 wildest dreams do it, So I think that's why it 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.839 appeals to me. But that's yeah, that's the fact that 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.840 it's not controller, doesn't appear controls what differentiates it from 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:13.000 the Herky Jerky Dancer from Mr. Show, remember, Yeah. And 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.160 then the final one is a style, which is of 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.440 course fashion and you know, just the hip hop style 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:23.560 in general, everything from clothing to to bling and you know, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.919 the lifestyle all right. Like we said, the history of 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.240 of hip hop, especially the music um can be traced 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.080 all the way back to Africa, and we would trace 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.200 the modern birth of it to the South Bronx, the 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.360 South South Bronx. But leading up to that, you would 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:47.200 join the slave ships coming into the West Indies as 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.680 they were called back then, and these slaves who were 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:55.600 captured and transported to the New World, making air quotes um, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:07:00.240 brought with them this tradition called greati is um a long, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.840 which was a form of like familial storytelling. It was 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:07.280 an oral tradition yea very frequently set to drums, yeah, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.440 and there was also very frequently dancing, yeah, and a 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.080 lot of that dancing as you showed me. Um very 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.680 much resembles dancing that you see today hip hop style dance, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.600 not very much like absolutely yeah, you know. Right, so 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:26.000 you've got um this presence of this what's now an 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:33.560 African American um I guess style or um cultural identity, right, 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.160 that's evolved out of Africa, and music and movement and 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.119 drum rhythms are a big part of it, right Yeah, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.880 and uh of course Colin response uh in church was 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.520 a big part of it, um as well as you know, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:51.720 gospel and calypso and salsa and of course jazz and 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:56.000 the blues. It's all rolled up as influences that eventually 0:07:56.200 --> 0:08:00.960 made its way to Jamaica to solders who are American 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.960 soldier station there in World War two. Yeah. So we 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:07.560 made our way from Africa to the West Indies, um, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.720 up to America and then there was that boom that 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.360 birth of like jazz and all that that made it 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.280 then down back to Jamaica part of what we're the 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.600 West Indies. Yeah. It's it's an weird little circle. Um. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.960 So when it gets taken back to the world to 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.840 Jamaican World War two, there was something going on there 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.400 in the Caribbean that was pretty cool and really the 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.720 birth of what hip hop and rap would become. They 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.400 had DJs there who had these big portable sound systems, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.240 and they would go play block parties and house parties 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:43.120 and street parties, and UM started a tradition called toasting, 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.560 which was sort of like early rap. It was um 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.960 kind of like the freestyle stuff in eight Mile, like 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.079 a lot of times they were trying to one up 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.840 other DJs or cut down other DJs, and UM it 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:59.280 was included over the music. And uh, have you have 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.360 you ever listened to a reggae show today, like reggae 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.760 fire on all media, so like you know how like 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.360 they'll just turn on the music for a second, he'll 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.040 say something, they'll turn the music back up, and they'll 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.880 turn it down again, and I think that's toasting. Yeah. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:12.400 I listened to some of it too, like the early 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:17.440 eighties toasting, Am I right? Um? Yeah? Okay uh. And 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.960 that that led to two different types of new reggae music, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.240 which is talk over and dub talkovers kind of what 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.680 we were just talking about, the toasting over music, and 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.720 then dub just you know, changed the song musically with 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.160 like echo and massive amounts of bass or trouble, reverb 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.760 stuff like that. Yeah, it was like what would you'd 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.679 call now, like a remix of a song, but it 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.080 usually followed certain lines, like a lot of echo, always 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.880 a lot more bass than the original version, and they 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.800 would throw that on the B sides of the record, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.240 so you'd have the regular version and the dub version, 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.360 right right, So all this is going on in Jamaica 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.440 and in the sixties, UM there was a kid named 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.679 Clive Campbell who lived in Jamaica and grew up around this, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:05.400 hosting UM street parties, portable sound systems, talk over yeah 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.000 dub you know, basically changing and altering music to make 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:13.320 it sound cooler with a heavier baseline. UM and this kid, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.160 Clive Campbell, he moved to the Bronx in nineteen sixty 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.640 seven and he eventually became somebody known as Cool Hirk, 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.440 who was the DJ who most people say was the 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.640 originator of hip hop. That's right, that's cool with the 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.920 k d J cool Hirk. He's a legend. He oh yeah, yes, okay, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.240 So cool Hirk also, by the way, started the tradition 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.520 of naming yourself as someone else. Oh yeah, you know, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.160 he wasn't Clive he's d J cool Hirk and that became, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.679 of course a tradition in rapping hip hop. It did, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.320 as we'll see. Uh so he had a big gig 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.560 early on his sister. I've heard various things from birthday 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.880 party to back to school party, and um he was 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.679 well known as a tagger, like graffiti tagger, which we'll 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.800 get to in a minute. How that plays the role. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.560 So people just showed up on mass to see who 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.079 this famous tagger was. Like with DJ cool Hirk is 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.880 going to be there, let's go check it out. So 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.679 it was like a lot of folks there. Yeah, they 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.560 came for the tagging and stayed for the DJ though, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.800 because they what they found at that time when we're 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:22.280 talking the seventies right then, maybe the mid to late seventies. Um, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.800 if you went to a party and the DJ was there, 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.440 the DJ just played a record and then ended and 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.000 you know, maybe if they were good, it was like 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.560 the the next one came on right before the first 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.000 one ended, and it was again if you'll listen to 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.840 the How Disco Works episode, this is where you know 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.040 this all came out of, Like was this block party 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.040 right here? Basically this is the birth of just not 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.800 just disco or not just hip hop at disco too. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.160 And um, so they went. They saw that he was 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.679 doing some pretty cool stuff. He had to turn tables 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:00.120 and a microphone and um he uh. He saw that 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.960 when people were dancing, they would just kind of stand around. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.319 Then when like a really good part of the song 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.320 and come up with lots of great beats or whatever, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.600 they dance. And he figured out along the way, and 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.479 I think he figured out before this block party happened, um, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.720 that if you just take two versions of the same record, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.440 you can keep that one part going over and over 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.560 again and just switch back and forth between the records 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.120 playing that same part and people will dance all the time. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.000 So when all those people turn out for a sister's 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.560 party to see that graffiti tagger HERK, they came up 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.480 against this djaying and that was that. Yeah, it was. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.679 It's called a break beat, and it's typically like a 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.079 drum break and that's what the DJ is doing if 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:41.880 you don't know anything about it. When they have the 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.160 little headphones up to their ears, is there queuing up 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.319 the spot on the second record so they can cross 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.920 fade or toggle in the early ages right over to 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.360 that next one without missing a beat, right, and like 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.040 you said, the dance party would just keep going on 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.880 and on. This is insane. Yeah, they were like, is 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.800 this record ever gonna end? No? But cool Hirk also 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.040 did something else too that would give rise to this, right. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.320 He was big into toasting, that's right, So he started 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:11.040 doing the talk over. Uh. Evidently the djaying became a 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.360 little too complicated, because I mean this was It's much 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.600 easier nowadays with your your eye devices to fake all 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.840 this stuff. But back then they were like pioneering electronics 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.680 and like figuring this stuff out. And in fact, Grandmaster 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.360 Flash was like the real guy. Well he was invent 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.920 at the cross Fader and like he was really into 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.520 electronics and figuring that junk out. Right. So, because it 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.680 got more and more technical, it wasn't just playing a 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.840 song and then like kind of turning down the volume 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.280 for a second talking over and turning the volume back up. Um, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.079 if you wanted to toast. It was tough to kind 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.040 of balance those two things. So cool Hirk and listed 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.360 the aid of Cokelar Rock and Clark Kent to come 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.400 toast for him. The Herculoids, Yeah, that's who they became, 0:13:55.040 --> 0:14:00.680 and they inadvertently established drapping. Yeah, Cookle Rock is generally 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.720 regarded as the first rapper that's so cool. Man. DJing 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:09.240 got too technically involved, so they had to get somebody 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:14.040 else to toast and that became rapping. That is so 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.400 cool that like you can trace it back to that instance. Yeah, 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.320 and they they started freestyle dancing too, and they're known 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.640 as the first b boys, which is another term. I 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.560 think that Herk coined the boys and be Girls, which 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.680 are breakdancwers. Um. So things start really kind of exploding 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:35.480 from here with it. On the DJ scene, UM Africa Bambata, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.920 who like you point out, was not born with that name. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:44.080 He named himself Kevin Donovan. Yeah, same with Um Grandmaster Flash. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.000 His parents did not name him Grandmaster. His name was 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.880 Joseph Sadler. Uh. They were early on UM in the scene. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.280 Bimbado was actually a former gang member, and so he 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:57.280 saw the bad effects, the ill effects of gangs and 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.560 decided to form the Zulu Nation, which is like an 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.720 aware and scroup to steer kids in a more positive 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.880 direction in life. And that was sort of the foundation 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.600 of hip hop early on, was positivity and silliness. Yeah, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.920 doing the right thing talking about food you like to eat, 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:17.680 or in contrast, talking about having a bad experience during 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.520 a meal at another friend's house. Yeah, was that a 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.880 song my bad Meal? I can't remember which song it was. 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.440 It might have been like like the extended version of 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.800 records to like, but one of those really early songs. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.920 Um like they talked about going to your friend's house 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.920 and then mom can't cook because sweet, and then yeah, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.760 super and and it was all very positive to uh So, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:43.080 Grandmaster Flash was a key um innovator because, like I said, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.600 he was really into electronics, built the first cross vader Um. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.840 He is the first one that started punch phrasing, which 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.080 is it's usually like a horn blast and just inserting 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.360 a very short quick bit of another song over a song. Right, 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.600 it's not. It's using two records, but not necessarily the 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.360 same record, two version to the same record, but you're 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:05.640 still working them together. That's like modern d jaye, that's right. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.040 And it's used to just like punctuate something, um scratching. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:13.560 He did not invent. That was Grand Wizard Theodore supposedly. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:15.920 And the story goes there is that he's in his 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.080 bedroom playing a record and his mom comes in, like 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.360 turn that stuff off and you know, he stops it 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.640 with his hand. Then he's like, wait a minute, that 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.360 sounded kind of cool and just started doing it and 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.120 uh then grand Master Flash like, you know, really perfected it. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.320 That's awesome. As a mom came into his room to 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:37.640 tell us the story. I love it UM and beat Box, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.920 which is not UM the Fat Boys stuff, right, No, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.120 but they're you know, they're pretty good at it. Nothing 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.400 that's beatboxing. Oh yeah, he created the beatbox was just 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.240 hooking a drum machine up to your turntables and just 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.800 going to town. Yeah, and I think that would help 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.000 UM segue from one song to another to create just 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.400 like a seamless effect. Alright, So this is all going 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.600 on in the in the early eighties. Then they started 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.720 act These were just like parties at first. Then they 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.600 actually started recording hip hop music, got played on the radio. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.840 Mr Magic's Rap Attack premier in New York City the 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:17.120 first hip hop show, and then uh MC started kind 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.320 of coming to the forefront more. It's like, you know, 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.360 the leader of the band instead of the DJ. Yeah, 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.320 you remember the huge confusion that DJ jer Z Jeff 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.639 and the Fresh Prince ran into every Yeah, they named 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.960 it like their second album, like I'm I'm the rapper, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.600 He's the DJ, yeah, because everybody thought the Fresh Prince 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.040 was DJ jer Z Jeff, because they were caught in 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.359 this transition where it's like, wait, I thought the DJ 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.880 was supposed to be the frontman of a group. But yeah, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.679 it was was like no, no, no, no, yeah, so 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.880 they named they named an album to clear things up. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.720 Do you remember that? I don't remember that. He's the 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.879 perfect example of those early sweet songs though, because his 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.879 were all about you know, I'm hanging out with my 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:01.000 buddies in we're playing some games, you know. Although there's 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.240 one about an extended uh, an extended story about a 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.680 traffic accident that leads to a court case and he's 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.399 sure that it's not his fault, but the lady's fault 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.800 was like he was a double parked or something. No, no, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.560 she hit m okay about a fenderbinder. Yes, that's as 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:22.639 dark as he got until the millennium. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Um, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.920 So now we're in the nineteen eighties, Um, things start 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.280 kind of crossing over. Of course with Blondie's Rapture, which 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.280 we all knew and loved, right and the classes, Magnificent Seven, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:39.199 which is very much hip hoppy in tone, and some 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.119 genuine stars start to kind of pop up on the 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.200 scene like Run, DMC, fab five, Freddy Hello, cool j Yeah, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:51.040 Beastie Boys. We already mentioned the sugar Hill Gang, right, 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:53.879 I don't think we did we dude, we have to 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.960 mention the sugar Hill of course, they had the first 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.000 hit rap record ever, Rappers Delight, and it was really 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:05.240 say think in maybe the same year as Raptat came out, 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.440 and it was like that put rap on the map. Yeah, 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.240 and people are like, what is this music? And chuck. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.160 Those who listened again to the Disco podcast will note 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.880 that they made that record using the sheks good times. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.040 That's right. It all happened together. Yeah, sampling too. I 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.240 think we cover that in Yeah boy. This is really 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.000 all coming together and man it is all right. So 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.040 the industry is changing a little bit at the time 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.359 as well. Sugar Hill Records closes, Deaf Jam pops up. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.040 Women all of a sudden are in the mix with 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.440 Salt and Pepper and uh MC light yeah, Queen Latifa 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.840 of course. Um. They paved the way for people like 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.320 Lauren Hill. I think just filed for bankruptcy. Did she? 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.479 I think so she fell on rough time since you yeah, man, 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.280 the Fuji said that one album. There there's quite a 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.560 few rap groups that had like one classic album and 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.879 then that was it. Yeah, like Black Star and uh 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:03.080 Fuji's and um I was trying to think those one more. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.400 But you know, usually they would break up like they 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.320 did and become their own independent artists. That's how that happens. Yeah, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.399 like Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg or n w A 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.880 and Dr Dre. Yeah, or um Retain Clan Goody Mob 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:31.800 of course, yeah, c Low that's why s game that 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:45.040 you should know why A definitely should know Jo Clark. Um, 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:46.919 so where are we? Oh yeah? Public Enemy comes on 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.760 the scene with like the Black Nationalism movement, um MTV 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.520 gets on it because it spreads from the East coast 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.360 to the West coast. Yeah, yo, MTV raps came out 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.000 and I remember being so happy that that happened. I 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.960 remember being that age and thinking like where are the 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.919 rap videos, like come on, and they'll be waiting for 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.280 them to do this, and they finally did, and then 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.679 after that it was like, okay, you can start playing 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:14.800 these through the day and then they finally did about 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.040 a year later, apparently according to this article, Yeah, after 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.199 you it was like exclusively on your MTV graps like 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.199 which was like a half hour an hour, and that 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:25.840 was it. And I think they started making it more 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.879 than just once a week. But then finally it's just like, 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.840 forget it. We'll just put we'll put wrap on alongside 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.400 of def Leppard, Right, I don't think the world will 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.960 end or we'll put Run DMC in the same video 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.360 as Aerosmart. Yeah, And I wonder if that helped pave 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:41.840 the way to just kind of like break the cell 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:45.040 walls between these genres on MTV. You know, yeah, I 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.239 think for sure. Yeah, it knocked down some walls. Run 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.720 DMC Super Pioneers knocked down walls, remember the video. Yeah, 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.840 they kicked walls down. They kicked balls down literally, metaphorically 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:59.400 and figuratively. Wait, I messed that up big time, literally 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:05.400 and metaphorically, right, I said metaphorically and figuratively and literally. Three. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.560 So we are are now progressing onto a gangster rap 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.840 um in w a of course and iced tea. Um. 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:16.880 Snoop Doggy Dog at first, yes, now Snoop Lion, Yeah, 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.560 then Snoop Dogg in between the Dirty Dirty d o G. 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.800 You c So was it what I mean, was it 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:28.080 n w A? Were they the first gangster rap um? 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.320 She mentioned someone called school e D who haven't heard 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.200 of So I don't know if school D was, but 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.439 I've never heard of stuff. Yeah, but I mean for 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.520