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Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, and welcome to this week's UH Saturday

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Speaker 1: edition of Stuff You Should Know, the Selects edition. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is my pick this week, and I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with How Hip Hop Works from July eleven, a little

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Speaker 1: more than four years ago. And I just remember this

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Speaker 1: being a great episode. Um. I learned a lot about it,

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Speaker 1: and I was someone who was into the music side

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Speaker 1: of hip hop in college. But hip hop is much

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Speaker 1: more than music. Uh, It's about an entire culture which

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Speaker 1: encombs as many different things. So give it a listen,

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Speaker 1: and as always, if you've heard it once, you might

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Speaker 1: find something new upon a second listen, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoy it. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from

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Speaker 1: How Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryan, I'm on

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Speaker 1: Mike one, he's on my three. Jerry's on the Wheels

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Speaker 1: and Steel And this is the Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: the podcast. That's right. Terminator X is to our right. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's you, Jerry. That's my favorite. DJ. Is it man?

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable stuff? D J Hurricane was pretty great. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was pretty great. True. Yeah, I mean if you go

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Speaker 1: back and listen to Best Boys stuff, the stuff that

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Speaker 1: he was doing. Yeah, it's like I grew up with it,

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Speaker 1: so I took it for granted. But with many things

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Speaker 1: as a grown up. Now I'm looking back and like

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Speaker 1: that was pretty amazing. Yeah, I'm still gonna go with

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Speaker 1: Terminator X, just like by fractions of a point though. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I put them at the top. Yeah, not like cool

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Speaker 1: hirc Hey, cool hirk Man. He's what they call the

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Speaker 1: O G Chuck spoiler alert. Yeah we should say that. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're fouring in a territory where we have little no

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Speaker 1: business because we're pretty square, but we can still talk

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Speaker 1: about hip hop. That's not true. I was. I was

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Speaker 1: into the stuff at one point. I was into it too.

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Speaker 1: I'm still square. Yeah, but I think we have business,

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Speaker 1: just as much business as we would any other music. Alright, fine,

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Speaker 1: you know we're cool then, man, we're cool to cool?

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Speaker 1: Is that cool? Okay, you don't have any business, so

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Speaker 1: h we're talking about hip hop today. It has a

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Speaker 1: very long tradition that dates all the way back to Africa, which,

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Speaker 1: as we'll see, um, but then the modern incarnation is

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Speaker 1: a little more recent. Still, it's kind of old it's

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Speaker 1: got some pretty surprising and interesting routes. But we should say, um,

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Speaker 1: and this is something that I was always hung up

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Speaker 1: on for a long time. And Catherine Near, who wrote

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Speaker 1: difference between hip hop and rap. They're not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like the square and the rectangle thing. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So moving on, No, hip hop is more like a

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Speaker 1: it's a cultural movement. It's more than just rap. Rap

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Speaker 1: of hip hop. So you can say that rap is

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Speaker 1: part of hip hop, right, but hip hop is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily wrapped like the square in the rectangle. They go

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Speaker 1: hand in hand though, you know. Uh yeah, And you know,

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Speaker 1: say Keith Cowboy Wiggins from Grandmaster Flash, he was definitely

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Speaker 1: say what about sugar Hill Gang or HERK. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's been pinpointed, but it was used

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Speaker 1: this what's become this global international cultural phenomenon. We have

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Speaker 1: seen the birth of a new music for in our lifetimes,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. We have and that's the only one. No,

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Speaker 1: article for sure. You know it's pretty broad and there's

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Speaker 1: to it the four things. And it started out it's

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Speaker 1: just like graffiti, break dancing, MCing, dejaying, and rapping. These

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Speaker 1: Graffiti included in that, but film and other graphic arts,

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Speaker 1: including my favorite crumping. Crumping is pretty cool. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Somebody going nuts. It's awesome, and so like herkey jerky

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Speaker 1: well known as a tagger, like graffiti tagger, which we'll

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Speaker 1: we said, that was ushered in and the original intent

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00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: of hip hop started to get lost at this point.

424
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah in a big way. Eating eating food that

425
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: you liked and talking about it. Cheer he has for breakfast.

426
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: Ye uh yeah, that was like, you're a pretty pretty

427
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: on the outs as far as hip hop was concerned.

428
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: When nw A came along and started talking about gangster rap, right,

429
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: well not they were side by side there for a while, right,

430
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: and then gangster wrap one out because people are cynical. Uh,

431
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: and of course they gang violence and drug dealing and

432
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: poverty and misogyny hallmarks of of gangster rap. Yeah, which

433
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: is still very much around today. Um. Even though what's

434
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: interesting it's like gangster rap was a sub genre of

435
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 1: hip hop that eventually came over and took over and

436
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: became hip hop, and then now that's broken up into

437
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: other sub genres, but the source materials typically the same. Yeah,

438
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: and I think another difference to just thinking about it

439
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: is gangster rap back then was very much like I'm poor,

440
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: and now it seems to be more like I'm rich,

441
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm still like hail from the ghetto.

442
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: So I've got cred and I'm still very violent and

443
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: i carry a gun and I'm not afraid use it.

444
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff. Yeah, But like n W and

445
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: those guys, they never talked about being having money ever

446
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: because they didn't write. They were there early in their careers.

447
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: They were just poor guys, right, and they were being

448
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: kept down and they were upset about it. That's right

449
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: to say the least. So alongside it, though, you did

450
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: have some great bands, um like a tribe called Quest

451
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: and Day, Las Soul and Far Side who either had

452
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: a positive message or were just like Far Side just

453
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: having a good time. Yeah. Well they're from California. Yeah,

454
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: I love those guys. They had a great Their first

455
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: album was Killer Bizarre Ride to the Far Side. Oh

456
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: yeah that was good. Yeah, totally. Uh Wu Tang came around,

457
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: and of course they launched the careers of like a

458
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: dozen guys that seemed like yeah they were I mean,

459
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: they were kind of a hybrid like they would talk

460
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: about violence and misogyny and all that as well, but

461
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 1: they also it wasn't all it was about like there

462
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: was there was some pretty smart guys involved in Wu

463
00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: Tang Clan. Oh, yeah for sure. Tupac. Yeah, she mentioned

464
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: to have Warrengy and Sir mix a Lot. I wasn't

465
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: so into them. Sir mix a Lot was awesome. He

466
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: was like kind of a throwback, like after the transition

467
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: had been made, Sir mix a Lot was still like

468
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: talking about butts and buttermilk biscuits and all that, you

469
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like he never and he wore

470
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: like floor length mink coats and stuff like that. That

471
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: butt some buttermilk biscuits. In the name of your wrath, Alborith,

472
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: I've got like an accordion on the cover. H cameras

473
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: One was really big in my life too. I was

474
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: a big fan of kras One. He was crazy on

475
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: productions and then um both Gang Star and Black Star.

476
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: I was a big fan of Yeah at the time,

477
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: I like Gangster too. I like DJ Hurricane, but um

478
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: DJ Premier's that he's the gangster DJ really yeah hit

479
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: him and Guru that was gang Star, but and it

480
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: was like, and I like Guru, but the two of

481
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: them together it was always weird to me, Like it

482
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: was so yeah, I was never like really even though

483
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: I really I think Gang Stars co to the Streets

484
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: it's one of the best rap albums ever made. It's

485
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: just like they were each doing their own things side

486
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: by side. It didn't mesh and create something together, but

487
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: it was like two really talented people doing something amazing

488
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: at once. I haven't pulled that one out in a while.

489
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: It's it's a good one. Um, Like you said, more

490
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: sub genres like combining wrap with hard rock music and

491
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: metal music, body Count, Nice Tease, a little band, Yeah

492
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: I saw them, did you Yeah, Lollapalooza yahah think. And

493
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: then things spread down South of course, with two live

494
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: Crew and groups like Outcast and Ludicrous and Timberland and

495
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: Goody Mob very much like Atlanta based Dirty South two

496
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: Luckru was Florida, I think. But yeah, yeah, the dirty side. Well,

497
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: then you have like New Orleans Bounce, and I think

498
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: that's where like Crumping came from, too. Is the South right,

499
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: I think? So I'm not sure though, do you know? Okay?

500
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: I asked, um, things are changing back these days. I

501
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: think with um regards to the gangster thing that's still around,

502
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: but there are other acts out there that Um. Darryl

503
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: McDaniels of Run DMC said that, you know, it's kind

504
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: of coming back around because he's like this, some of

505
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: this music is great to listen to in the club,

506
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: but he's like, what are you gonna do the rest

507
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: of the day, Like we need this to be all

508
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: day music. And like Kanye West, I was a big

509
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: fan of his early on, not so much now. Um

510
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: and uh, who's like a drake He's pretty good. Yeah,

511
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: you listen to that now. I haven't listened to any

512
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: new hip hop in a long time. Knnie get the

513
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: College drop Out from two thousand four. It's unbelievable. That's

514
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: the first one. Yeah, that was amazing. We'll check it out.

515
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: So that's a little bit on music. I guess we

516
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: should talk about graffiti some. Well. Yeah, a lot of

517
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: people say graffiti is its own thing. It's not a

518
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: part of the four you know pillars of hip hop,

519
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 1: and people who are in the hip hops they shut up.

520
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: It is too and uh, most people agree that graffiti

521
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: is pretty much inextractable. Extractable from hip hop, but you

522
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: graffiti came first. Yeah, that's true modern graffiti tagging UM,

523
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: which is another word for it um. And if you're

524
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: into that kind of thing, you should check out our

525
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: surprisingly interesting episode on how aerosol cans work. That's right.

526
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: UM started in the sixties. Uh. And you can actually

527
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: trace this back to its point of origin pretty much too,

528
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: to a guy named um Demetrius. Right, what was his tag?

529
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Tak t a k I not Turk two? No? But

530
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: was that based on him? You think it was inspired

531
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: by that? Yeah, I got you. And it was a

532
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: little Greek kid named Demetrius who in the sixties started UM. Well,

533
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: he was a messenger. He worked for a messenger service,

534
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: and he had a marker and he put that together

535
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: with his nickname Taki and the street. They lived on

536
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: West Street, which is way up there, and he started

537
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: leaving his tag all over the city. Ye. And the

538
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 1: New York Times wrote an article that you can actually

539
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: get on his website. It's like scanned in there. It's

540
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: kind of cool to read from nineteen seventy one called

541
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: Takie spawns pen Pals and uh, it was the first

542
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, it was people like, this guy's writing his

543
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: name on things, but it's not really his name, and

544
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: there's numbers. Yeah, it's so funny thing about now, because

545
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: tagging is just so ubiquitous, you know. Well he got

546
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: he also got kind of good at making it look

547
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: a little pretty. It wasn't just you know, but he

548
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: didn't write any cursive or anything like that, and he

549
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: developed what became a tag like it was the same

550
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: thing every time after a while. Um, and cool Hirk

551
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: actually became a tagger yea. And from that sort of

552
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: emulating tak and that was how people came to new

553
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: No cool hurt before he was a DJ, that's right.

554
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: And of course it just it of all beyond tagging,

555
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 1: as everybody on the planet knows. Um, it became an

556
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: art form of two itself, building murals, entire trains, very colorful,

557
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: uh sort of three dimensional aspects. It's it's you know,

558
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: I feel like you don't he spent too much time

559
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: trying to describe it, because if you don't know what

560
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: graffiti looks like, then just go outside, unless you like

561
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: live in Kansas and they don't do that kind of

562
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: stuff there. Um, it got a little reputable in the

563
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: seventies when Patty Astor actually featured graffiti in the fund gallery,

564
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: her art gallery. And now it's a common thing, you know, Yeah,

565
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: graffiti galleries all the time. And those those hip hop

566
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: historians who say, yes, graffiti is part of hip hop,

567
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: point to um the convergence between hip hop and graffiti

568
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: and say that it's centered around a tagger named Hayes

569
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: who's got a pretty awesome website Eric has. It's like

570
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: this kind of throwback to well, it's like a timeline

571
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: of like hip hopping graffiti. Like if you go through

572
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: his stuff, it's pretty neat. He did to check your

573
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: head font Yeah, and he he was also I guess

574
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: into photography too, because some of the album covers he

575
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: did either he did the fonts for him or or whatever.

576
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: But he did Public Enemy, he did um Young MC.

577
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah he did uh Tone Lookes albums Like. So he's

578
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: doing all these on covers and he's a tagger. So

579
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: from that point on, people are like, Okay, well this

580
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: is part of hip hop. Now, I don't care what

581
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: you did. You see you up in the Air the

582
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: Clooney movie. Yeah, remember I was like, hey, how it ended?

583
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: You're like, that's the name of the movie. Remember that.

584
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: But remember the Young MC when he did the corporate party.

585
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: M he did bust a move. No, I don't remember that.

586
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: They crashed the corporate party and he was like the

587
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: entertainment for the night. But that was in up in

588
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: the air. I thought that was an episode of Scrubs

589
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: or The Office. No, I was in up in there,

590
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: and it really just sort of like nailed that whole.

591
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: Like the Verizon is gonna do a party and we're

592
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: gonna hire a rapper. They get Young MC. It was

593
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah. Are we to dancing it? I think

594
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: we are. We've covered We've covered the music, we've covered graffiti. Yeah,

595
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: now we're onto dancing. Okay, Well, break dancing obviously is

596
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: most synonymous with hip hop, but um, all kinds of

597
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: other dancing, popping and locking, boogaloo, grinding down, rocking, Harlem shake, yeah,

598
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: which an original thing, right. Yeah. There's a video from

599
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: like two thousand six or something that this guy did

600
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was, um, but he's like

601
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: the Harlem Shake is the real one. And if you

602
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: see this and then you see like all the the

603
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: YouTube viral videos that that we're going on recently. You

604
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: just see how far off everybody was from the actual

605
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Harlem Shake. People in Harlem are actually getting mad, like

606
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like this isn't do you even

607
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: know what the Harlem Shake looks like. It was almost

608
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: like YouTube turned into the Bluth Family and everybody was

609
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: doing the Chicken dance, even though none of them have

610
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: ever seen a chicken. But for you know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah,

611
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people were doing with the

612
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: Harlem shade. Gotcha. Um, But breakdancing is what we're going

613
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: to concentrate on because it's pretty cool. Um headspins back

614
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: spins about that video you said, the windmill, Oh yeah,

615
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: just get on YouTube and look at breakdance nineteen forties

616
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: and that's it. That dude is breakdancing. Yeah, and it's

617
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: clearly the nineteen forties. Yeah, I've tried. I was like,

618
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: am I being tricked? Here? Is this some fake? Like

619
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: pretty authentic? I think it's authentic. But that was full

620
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: on breakdancing. Yeah, Like at first I was like, oh,

621
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: that's sort of breakdancing, and then he got on the

622
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: floor and I was like, that's totally breakdance. So it's

623
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: been around he does the worm. Yeah, he sort of

624
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: did the worm. And he was doing that doing like

625
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: windmills and stuff. Well not quite a windmill, but close

626
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: to a windmill. By the way. I was obsessed with

627
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: trying to learn that in my ute, and uh never

628
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: came close. Obviously, I too was a breaker in my youth.

629
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Uh see, I wasn't problem, Oh I was. I took

630
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: breakdancing lesson. I made it on the front page of

631
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: the Peach section, which was the entertainment section of Toledo Blade.

632
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: I was breakdancing and like attraction my mom made me

633
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: by hand. Man, do you have a copy of that?

634
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't know where it is. It might be out

635
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: there somewhere. Um. I had a break in Ohio t shirt.

636
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't as into the French foreign legion cat. Yeah, yeah,

637
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: I had the whole man. I was a breaker, even

638
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: though I sucked at it. I was a breaker. Could

639
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: you do the window? No, That's what I'm saying. I

640
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: saw every day. That's like really impressive still to me today,

641
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: I could never do that. I get headaches from doing

642
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: headspins and just fall over me. But it was fun.

643
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: The suicide too, Did you already do that? No, that's

644
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: a pretty cool move. That's the one where the guy

645
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: basically she says backflip, but I've most often seen it

646
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: as a front flip. You'd come in and you just

647
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: flip and land on your back, And the whole point

648
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: is to make it look painful, like the more the

649
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: harder it is, and the more people go, oh, it's

650
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: like the most more successful suicide. That's when you know

651
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: you've got the crowd in the palm in your hand exactly.

652
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: You don't stop then, no way, that's no, you can't

653
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: stop breaking you know. Um. You took me to the

654
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: World Breakdance Championships a couple of years ago. Like the

655
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: world was awesome. It was that Relapse Theater, the old

656
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: one on FOURT Street. I was in Atlanta, Yeah, and

657
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: they had it here in this little theater and like

658
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: people from all over the world who were like the

659
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: best at breakdancing, we're just there like in breakoffs and stuff.

660
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: We just stood around for like eight hours and watched

661
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: like the best breakdancing you can possibly imagine. That's right there.

662
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: It was very awesome. So not surprisingly, I think you

663
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: even said earlier breakdancing came from West Africa, as well,

664
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the key elements, um this herky jerky

665
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: all over body movement, UM interaction with the floor like

666
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: not with your just your feet obviously, UM, pantomime and

667
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: improvisation all came from West Africa and migrated on the

668
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: slave ships kind joined up with some uh Caucasian dancing

669
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: like the Lindy Hop and the Charleston Well, a lot

670
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: of those grew out of African American dancing walk, which

671
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: is an African American thing that actually, um like terribly

672
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: you should be this blog post I wrote on it.

673
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: What's the origin of the term cake walk? You'll never

674
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: use it again, but the the idea of people lining

675
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: up and watching other people dancing and then taking turns

676
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: and all that that comes from the cake walk, So

677
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: like people waiting to like jump in and all that.

678
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: And it was in that Breakdancing nineteen forties video you

679
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: said people just kind of standing, somebody else would come

680
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: in and and put somebody else to the side and they

681
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: were taken over. Like that comes from the cake walk.

682
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: It's then later became the soul train, yeah, which is

683
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: some of the best footage like ever. So yes, you

684
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: can put any halfway decent song to like a soul

685
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: train lineup, and it's just brilliant. After that, the other

686
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: thing that influenced too was um uh came from the

687
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: Caribbean as well in South America in the form of

688
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: and I even saw a video on how to pronounce this.

689
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: It's Brazilian martial art. Uh. Capaccia, cap you capaira. I

690
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: don't think that's right, that's what he said. Are you sure, dude?

691
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: It was a video on how to pronounce the word.

692
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: But I'm sure I didn't do it quite right, but

693
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: yours is definitely wrong. Um. But martial arts as a whole,

694
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: like kung fu was really big in that community, and

695
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: so like Bruce Lee and all these guys like tried

696
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: to like emulate those dance moves. Yeah, that's why you

697
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: see so much like fake fighting in breakdancing, because they're

698
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: all really just kind of good kids. They spend all

699
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: their time practicing dance moves, and so like all the

700
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: fighting is all just like hey, I'm getting in your face.

701
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm getting in your face now, and oh

702
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: no you're not. And it's that's it. That's as far

703
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: as it goes, good clean, fun. Yeah, I'm gonna outdance

704
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: you Yeah, and like there's probably no other part of

705
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: the hip hop culture that more carries on the original

706
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: tradition of like just you know, I don't mean any

707
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: real harm or anything like that. Where was having a

708
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: good time and like this is all this is what's cool. Yeah.

709
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: Then then the break dancing aspect of it. Yeah, agreed

710
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: and crumping today, I used to see the same thing,

711
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: Like it's battling each other to see who's the best.

712
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun to watch. Um. In the eighties,

713
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: it was like break dancing became a across the board

714
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: commodity big time again. I had a Breaking Ohio T

715
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: shirt that my mom purchased for me. Yeah, probably like

716
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: pennies or something. Yeah. Um, the movie Wild Style, which

717
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: is the first hip hop movie, UM led to Style Wars,

718
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: Breaking of course, Breaking two Electric Boogaloo. I got that

719
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: soundtrack in my Easter basket one year Beat Street. I

720
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: was a little too old, I guess for Breaking maybe

721
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: so or now. I was just I was listening to

722
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: the Almond Brothers and stuff. That was the deal. I

723
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: clearly remember my Tooler sisters having a conversation while we

724
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: were all watching Break in two and they agreed that

725
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: the girl was really more of a flash dancer than

726
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: a breakdancer. I'll never forget that. Well, the other one

727
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: went flashdance, had a little uh breaking style. Everything had

728
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: to burger King commercials. Apparently Wrangler had a line of

729
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: jeans ready to go in nineteen eighty four called rapid Transit,

730
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: starting with the W like a Wrangler that didn't get

731
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: off the ground. The moonwalk, of course, which was not

732
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: invented by Michael Jackson. No, but he was good at it. Well, yeah,

733
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: he was great at it. Um. The the guy I

734
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: could find was in nineteen fifty five, Bill Bailey at

735
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: a showtime at the Apollo Show. It's on YouTube, is it?

736
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: Is it as good as Michael Jackson's Can anybody top

737
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's moonwalk? It's not as good, but he clearly moonwalks.

738
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: It's not like, well this is a version. I mean

739
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: he moonwalks off the stage in nineteen fifties. Well, okay,

740
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: so moonwalking goes back to the fifties. They say, uh,

741
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: and they being I think cool Herker Africa Boombada. One

742
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: of the two said that they think break dancing finds

743
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: its origins and a James Brown dance to get on

744
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: the good Foot from that song, yeah, which is from

745
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: the from I believe the sixties. It's based on that

746
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: and backsliding is what they the originators callman walking by

747
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: the way. Um. So, like we said, it's commodity, it's

748
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: a video games, it's clothing lines. They start selling you know,

749
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: gear and kneepads and special mats to use. You know,

750
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: when all you needed was a refrigerator box. Exactly what

751
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: was that for it for? Or slicker or whatever. So

752
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: you're not like doing a um like a headspin on gravel. Yeah,

753
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: that was a dumb question actually, But like I said,

754
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't into it. Things started to die down in

755
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: the eighties though, but it came back big time in

756
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: the nineties. It did, like the latest nineties and it's

757
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: still around like it never really went away. Yeah, and

758
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: that led to crumping, like we said, which is my

759
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: favorite thing to watch on the internet right now. Did

760
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: you see the crump off on Venice Beach that one?

761
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: I did see that one. That was pretty great. That

762
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: was good. It's just not well, it looks just so

763
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: out of control, but it's it's not. That's what makes

764
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: it so great to me. I think Crumpin is pretty great.

765
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree. So are we onto fashion?

766
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: I think we are a pillar four. Well, let's talk

767
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: about it. Comfy clothes is really how it started. Yeah,

768
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: if you have ever seen the TV show What's Happening

769
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: remember rerun? Yes, he was dressing pretty hip hop at

770
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: the time, suspenders. He wore a beret, but it could

771
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: have very easily been a kanga hat. I think he

772
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: wore a converse, you know, comfy shoes, adid this is

773
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: really the brand though, or was it was? UM? But

774
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: at the time that was super hip hop. Yeah, just loose,

775
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: comfortable clothing with a T shirt underneath that you could

776
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: break dance to. Um. She even contends that the comfort

777
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: level of the sneakers was why they left them untied

778
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: early on, just to be even looser in the shoes

779
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: and not have like your shoes tight. I don't know

780
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: about that though. Apparently out west it was military inspired

781
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: and boots were a little more popular on the West Coast?

782
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: Is that where public enemies from? Are they West Coast? Um?

783
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: They're New York right? Yeah? I mean Chuck de lives

784
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: in Atlanta now and has for a while I would

785
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: like to meet Chuck d too. But they were not Um,

786
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: Chuck b meet Chuck Dyah. Yeah, but they they weren't

787
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: from Atlanta obviously, where it was Republican me from I

788
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess New York. But they weren't one

789
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: of those that they didn't talk about where they were from.

790
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: They weren't like they were. They were worldwide exactly. Uh.

791
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: And then run DMC of course brought in the cool

792
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: black jeans and black leather and they had the movie

793
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: Tougher Than Leather. Was that a movie? Yeah? I never

794
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: saw that. I'm sure you did. I didn't, didn't know.

795
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: And one of the few movies I've ever walked out

796
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: on in my life was Disorder at least the Fat Boys. Yeah,

797
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: I was in sixth grade and I was like, this

798
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: is unwatchable. Well, everyone was trying to tap into that

799
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: thing crush Groove thing. Yeah you've seen that one. Oh yeah,

800
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: Crush Groove was pretty good. None of these Age well

801
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: by the way, Oh no, I haven't seen any of one,

802
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: the Long Team, even the good one Stone Age well. Um,

803
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: and then the Adidas of course with run DMC, and

804
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: they also ushered in the the kan goals in earnest

805
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: in the big rope gold chains and lots of them,

806
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: and who else did she credit with that? Oh? Um,

807
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: Curtis Blow. That's right, Curtis Blow. We got to the

808
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: bottom of that one. Uh. And along with the black

809
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: nationalism and the sort of remember our roots back to

810
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: Africa came a big clothing boom. I remember very well

811
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: in high school. Um, African inspired clothing and the red,

812
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: yellow and black and green huge. Yeah, everything that every

813
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: everybody was wearing in the late eighties was super African inspired. Yeah,

814
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: just bold prints and all that, Like everything cann play

815
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: we're wearing. Yeah, remember that dance too where they like

816
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: jumped through that they'd hold their foot. I could never

817
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: do that. There's no way I could do it. Now.

818
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: I would like hill myself in that way. But criss

819
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: cross of course, Um, we're backwards clothing. Yeah, one of

820
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: those guys just died, I know, very sad. And then

821
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: the basketball jersey. Um, really baggy baggy clothing started to

822
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: become the norm through the nineties and that's still sort

823
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: of the style today. Yeah. And supposedly that that comes

824
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: from a like prison ware where you're not allowed to

825
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: wear a belt Yeah, that's the where the seg came from. Yeah,

826
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: that's the CNN is quoted as the sourcer, So take

827
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: that with a grain of salt. Uh. And also with

828
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: the do rag supposedly is another prison wear thing. Yeah.

829
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: And then just like with breakdancing, hip hop style became

830
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: a pretty big business commodity to Yeah, like Russell Simmons

831
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: started a fat farm, which is I think still around today. Right. Yeah,

832
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 1: if you look at most any rap mgul now it'll

833
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: say like producer, rapper, clothing designer, like they're too smart

834
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: to maximize their brand. Yeah. It says here that jay

835
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: Z sold rock Aware for two hundred four million bucks.

836
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: Everything that guy touches turns to gold, yeah, or platinum

837
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: because platinum, Josh, is where the gold went. It kind

838
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: of transformed transformed into platinum, right, It's like alchemy. Yeah,

839
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: like shiny silvery platinum and diamond encrusted grills, bling grills

840
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Speaker 1: very popular that started out as just like the one

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Speaker 1: gold cap and then turned into like the girls that

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Speaker 1: you can get today are just unbelievable. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think we could ever have a converse sation about hip

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Speaker 1: hop fashion without mentioning wearing a huge clock as a

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Speaker 1: pendant around a necklace, yeah, or wearing a stolen Mercedes

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Speaker 1: hood ornament as a necklace. The Beast boys. I thought

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Speaker 1: you were going to say the multi finger ring. Yeah

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Speaker 1: you got that too. That was that was big because

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Speaker 1: of uh and do the right thing, love and hate?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the two rings? Who was that? The guy

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Speaker 1: with the radio rachime? Yeah? Yeah, I saw that again

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Speaker 1: the other day. Man, that movie just blows me away. Still,

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Speaker 1: it's very powerful. I like his later work more. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he liked it when he got away from like inside

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Speaker 1: man in it was a lot. I still like to

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Speaker 1: do the right thing, but it's like him branching out,

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00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: I hear you. Um. And also designer labels became a

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Speaker 1: big thing, like a Tommy Hill figure and stuff like

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00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: that became really popular. Uh. And now, of course, you

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Speaker 1: go anywhere on planet Earth and you're gonna see hip

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Speaker 1: hop and pretty much any country you go to. Sure

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Speaker 1: it is all over the world. Is a global product.

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Speaker 1: And hey, squares and parents, it ain't going anywhere, so

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Speaker 1: just get used to it. That's right. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people thought it was a flash in the pan.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, like this rap won't be around long. Yeah, suckers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's outlasted a lot of other stuff, agreed. So we

868
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: got electronic music to do next, or we did that

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Speaker 1: that dubstep article. Yeah, I don't know. Uh. If you

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Speaker 1: want to learn more about hip hop, you can type

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Speaker 1: on it um and I think I said hip hop.

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Speaker 1: So it's time for message and now listen to mail

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Speaker 1: Time Josh. Since we're talking about international things. Towards the

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Speaker 1: end of that show, I'm gonna give a couple of

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Speaker 1: international shouts because we like hearing from my listeners and

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Speaker 1: foreign lands. So the first one is from France, and

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Speaker 1: we actually asked that our Three Musketeers cast if we

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Speaker 1: had French listeners. Hi, guys, I just wanted to drop

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Speaker 1: you a few lines because I was just listening to

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Speaker 1: your podcast and the the Musketeers. You were wondering if

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Speaker 1: there were any French up there listening to you. I

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Speaker 1: am one of them. I've been listening to all of

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Speaker 1: your podcasts from the beginning when even the podcast was

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Speaker 1: not even the great pair of you. I am talking

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Speaker 1: about your podcast to all my friends, and I feel

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Speaker 1: that I know you well from all these hours spent

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Speaker 1: with you. I always laugh when you make fun of

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Speaker 1: the French and our accent. I do not always understand

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Speaker 1: your US references, but love to hear about new things.

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Speaker 1: Take care from Paris and that's Julie. Thanks a lot,

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Speaker 1: uh and then uh, Hi, guys, Josh, Chuck and Jerry.

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Speaker 1: My name is Daniel. I live in Jerusalem, working at

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Speaker 1: bakery in the city and love listening to you guys

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Speaker 1: while I work. I want to share a funny little story.

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Speaker 1: One day at work, my boss got mad at me

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Speaker 1: And then I told him I was listening to a

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Speaker 1: learning podcast and not music, so to prove I'm not distracted.

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Speaker 1: Is the boss like nurds ratchet or something like that,

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Speaker 1: I guess so uh. To my surprise, he asked, what's

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Speaker 1: the name of the podcast? Confused me a little bit,

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Speaker 1: with the stuff you should know. So you guys will

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Speaker 1: help me get through long depressing shifts with your humor

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Speaker 1: and knowledge. And that is from Daniel in Israel. Nice Daniel,

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Speaker 1: thank you for that. Daniel and Julie, Yeah from France.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys. We appreciate you listening over there and standing

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Speaker 1: up to your boss and he's all like, hey, you

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Speaker 1: can listen to music. They can listend the stuffer should

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Speaker 1: Know and bake. We're like international ambassadors, basically agreed. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if you want to tell us how we're ambassadors in

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Speaker 1: the problem. Just do it. You can tweet to us

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Speaker 1: Discovery dot com. I'm ready for this one to be done,

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