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Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goals Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Steeler Nation. How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, US two probably not great, Probably not great. It's

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Speaker 3: December along those lines. I have actually not having a

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Speaker 3: jolly Christmas yet pursued It kind of brought me down

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Speaker 3: with this last show he did. But I'm in the

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Speaker 3: same mold as him is. I was talking to Rob

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Speaker 3: and Mike about we all watched the games in different

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Speaker 3: locations or have different responsibilities on game days. I'm very

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Speaker 3: happy with mine where I'm a lazy boy and yep,

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Speaker 3: shorts of us. I'm jealous of yours. Yeah, just me

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Speaker 3: and a laptop and my cat.

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Speaker 2: You know, A fourteen hours first one in, last one out.

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Speaker 3: I kind of do. I come in here. I finish

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Speaker 3: up about two am, but I do it on my terms.

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Speaker 3: And you know, so often I come in on Monday

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Speaker 3: and I start chatting with you or pursuitter. In this case,

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Speaker 3: Max was around Rob and we both we all compare notes.

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Speaker 3: What'd you see? I'm like, oh, I didn't think of

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Speaker 3: that angle, you know, and I'll use that for my own.

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Speaker 3: You know, everyone starts, you know, workshopping a little bit,

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Speaker 3: and on most Mondays after a loss, I feel a

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Speaker 3: little better after a half hour of just seeing you

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Speaker 3: guys chatting, yes, and with the boys. And Mike brought

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Speaker 3: this up. He's like, yeah, except Mom, I feeling any better?

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I like that. There's no silver lining from this, these

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Speaker 3: sixty minutes of football.

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Speaker 2: And what you just laid out there at the end

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Speaker 2: of the second hour might be the biggest reason why

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Speaker 2: because it is so easy, and I sometimes I mock it,

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Speaker 2: but I'm also guilty of it too. It's all in

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Speaker 2: good fun to do. The one hundred and sixty million

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Speaker 2: dollar defense thing that where's the defense? Why aren't they

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Speaker 2: as good as Houston? Aren't they as good as Denver?

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Speaker 2: Why aren't they the best in the league or top

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Speaker 2: three in the league. Why aren't they doing more? Why

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Speaker 2: aren't they elite? Yeah, they're elite at taking the ball

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Speaker 2: away and they're pretty good at getting after quarterbacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but why are they so bad and exposive plays? Why

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Speaker 2: have they been so bad against the run? Why have

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Speaker 2: they been in not so bad against the run? Inconsistent

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Speaker 2: against the run?

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Speaker 3: Why aren't they one of the best defenses?

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Speaker 2: But just the point, the bottom line is the lead

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Speaker 2: headline the league question is why aren't they one of

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Speaker 2: the best two or three defenses in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: Why aren't they the potentially historic defense that everyone was

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Speaker 2: talking about when we were all out in La Trobe

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Speaker 2: and Saint Vincent and I mean everyone I'm talking within

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Speaker 2: the locker room. It wasn't you and I in PURSUITA

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Speaker 2: and Rob King that were saying this is going to

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Speaker 2: be a historic defense. Now one of the guys that

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Speaker 2: was trumpeting that is no longer on the roster. So

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Speaker 2: but still, Matt, I think the biggest concern now though

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Speaker 2: twelve games in large enough sample size we are in December,

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Speaker 2: is the offense is a real issue.

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Speaker 3: It's a real issue with how they lately, even with

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Speaker 2: You know, even with what we all thought was a

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Speaker 2: stabilizing force at wide receiver. We could have argued back

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Speaker 2: in July till the Cows come home, who's better DK

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Speaker 2: and even everybody doing the hindsight thing, now I think

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Speaker 2: we all agreed, you've got you've got more stability with

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Speaker 2: your number one wide receiver than you had, right, Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: we all felt was an upgrade at quarterback for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: The offensive line has gotten better. It's it's an older group.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of young guys on that, you know,

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Speaker 2: but Fraser and Fultanu aren't rookies anymore, even though Futanu

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Speaker 2: barely had to go at it. Mason McCormick isn't a

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Speaker 2: rookie anymore. Roderick Jones is now in year four and

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Speaker 2: is really gonna say, like, look what they did with

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Speaker 2: the tight ends. You know, all these reasons for optimism

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Speaker 3: Matt drafted running back in the third round, who we

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Speaker 2: Right, Lord, to me, the offense is I don't know,

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Speaker 2: to me, Matt, I mean, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: If one of these sides of the ball is gonna

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Speaker 3: I can write the story easier on for the defense.

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Speaker 2: And they're the side that's shown it more throughout the

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Speaker 3: Right, like extended glimpses.

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Speaker 2: Like Matt against Chicago, which was you take away the

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Speaker 2: fact that they turned the ball over or they take

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Speaker 2: the ball away often. He scored twenty one points against

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Speaker 2: that team. Like, I know you had twenty eight, but

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Speaker 2: one of those was a defensive touchdown. And yes, I realize, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Mason Rudolph backup quarterback, maybe a different situation. Yeah, Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: your offense scored twenty points two defensive touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: And that was clearly the worst defense.

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Speaker 2: Worst defense in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at home, at home, it was not the short

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Speaker 2: If your defense doesn't score for you, you win that

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Speaker 2: game twenty to two, twelve. Yeah, or maybe if your

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Speaker 4: Pres ten points against the Chargers Indianapolis twenty seven to twenty,

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Speaker 4: but you had six you had a defensive touchdown and

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Speaker 4: six turnovers force Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like constantly and field goal range.

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Speaker 2: You were constantly in great field position and in the

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Speaker 2: most opportune situations you could realistically ask for, and you

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Speaker 2: scored twenty points as an offense.

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Speaker 3: We put you in really, we set you up perfect

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Speaker 2: You had a couple really opportune moments as well to

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Speaker 2: twenty five points. Like, the last time I think we

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Speaker 2: saw a good, full sixty minute offensive performance for the

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Speaker 2: Steelers was all the way back on that Thursday night

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Speaker 2: before Halloween in Cincinnati against the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Every other game, like you could say, oh, they scored

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Speaker 2: twenty seven against the Colts, they had a massive amount

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like, I mean they lead the league

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Speaker 2: That's what you want to put you over the top

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Speaker 3: Good offense, foundational offense, and a foundation's cracking on offense.

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Speaker 2: A defense that in one hundred and twenty minutes against

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati and Chicago scored you three touchdowns. Yeah right, Like,

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Speaker 2: if you've got a B plus offense, if you've got

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Speaker 2: the Peyton Manning Broncos twenty fifteen offense, you can win

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl doing that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh, agreed, agreed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so it hasn't translated too much.

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Speaker 3: Except st my head. But how many defensive touchdowns I

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Speaker 3: had this year? They're at the top of the league

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Speaker 3: for sure. I mean they have to be plenty. They

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Speaker 3: there's more than three. There's been three rate recently.

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Speaker 2: And I think particularly when you consider like Minnesota, the

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Speaker 2: defense didn't score, but TJ. Watt set them up in

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Speaker 2: the red zone. New England the defense I don't think scored,

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Speaker 3: You know that, try going with it.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of those too, where not only has

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Speaker 2: the defense scored, but they've also set them up in

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Speaker 2: goal to go situations, yes, red zone situations.

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Speaker 3: So that's where I was going with this is I

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Speaker 3: don't know where they rank in actual putting the ball

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you it's top two or three or four.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they've got several. But where I know it

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Speaker 3: field position. So that's a direct You know, what you

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Speaker 3: were saying is make a big play. They start to

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Speaker 3: drive it in the red zone already, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. So that combination, and that's by design, is

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Speaker 3: complimentary football, which we're not getting lately, but we have

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Speaker 3: over the year times has made life easier on this

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Speaker 2: Three defensive touchdowns okay, tied for the Seahawks for most

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I knew it had to be at the

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Speaker 3: top of the league? Makes all sense?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Is it only three?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: Was that right? Was it? Just?

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Speaker 2: Was it the two against Cincinnati and one against Chicago?

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Speaker 2: I feel like we might be missing one.

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Speaker 3: I know there's one or two brought back from penalty.

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Speaker 3: There was one, you know. Yeah, again, there's.

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Speaker 2: Been a lot where it's been like, you know, someone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, seeh I got one yesterday too that they.

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Speaker 2: Did that they did. I'll double check that, but that

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Speaker 2: was kind of my quick google. I know they're near

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Speaker 2: the top of the league, but yes, they have, they have.

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Speaker 3: That's why I did incite it direct. They're near the

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Speaker 3: of the league of offensive starting field position. To your point,

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Speaker 3: you know, so they've had a little easier than others

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Speaker 3: in terms of because I was almost going to cite

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Speaker 3: this because I just typed it for next week's Matt's stats.

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Speaker 3: Like the Steelers in terms of points per game or

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Speaker 3: like twelve, that's you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Would again, if you would have told us that back

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Speaker 2: at Saint Vincent College.

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Speaker 3: For five years, if you could be top twenty, you

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Speaker 3: know you should.

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Speaker 2: If you said to us back then when we were

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Speaker 2: kind of going over all those indicators, we need the

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Speaker 2: yards per carry to improve. We need the Steelers to

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Speaker 2: do their birthright thing and get back to the front

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Speaker 2: of the league in sacks. Yeah, your quarterback play is

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Speaker 2: gonna get a little bit better. Your offensive line play

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Speaker 2: is gonna get a little bit better. If you would

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Speaker 2: have told us that twelfth in the league in points scores.

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Speaker 3: It's somewhere in there. It's like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, having

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Speaker 3: the Ravens right, Tactually.

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Speaker 2: This team is gonna win eleven or twelve games, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and be a true contender in the AFC.

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Speaker 3: But what I might have to sort is just offensive

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Speaker 3: points per game, you know, because I bet that's twentieth.

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Speaker 3: It's not twenty, it's not thirty seconds, but it's not

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Speaker 3: still little misleading. It's not in the low teams either, yeah,

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Speaker 3: yeah yeah. And how many long drives have they had?

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Speaker 3: Not many? I mean plays for drive is very very low.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very I completely agree. I mean they're passing

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just that.

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Speaker 3: To me is and they're trending the wrong way lately.

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Speaker 3: Especially those early years when you don't know anything. I

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Speaker 2: I've been hearing the most important people in the Steelers

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Speaker 3: I say, Fields is the only one you acted on,

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Speaker 3: That is playmaking and right, we'll.

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Speaker 2: Week thirteen in the books, month of November, in the

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Speaker 3: All the good stuff was Thursdays and Friday.

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Speaker 2: I you can't anymore that we we said this leading

441
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Speaker 2: up to the Steelers game. Of like, there was a

442
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: portion of the Steelers fan base and NFL fans at

443
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 2: large that were like, yeah, they're seven and three and

444
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 2: that's great, and they're ahead of schedule, but they haven't

445
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 2: played anybody, and the only good teams they played they

446
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 2: lost to, you know, the Lions and whoever the other

447
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Speaker 2: the Ravens.

448
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Speaker 3: Like they're a good story.

449
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Speaker 2: They still make the playoffs, but we're about to find

450
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Speaker 2: out they haven't played anybody. Well, I mean after becoming

451
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania state champions in the span of and the span

452
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Speaker 2: of a of a of a week here, uh doing

453
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Speaker 2: that in Philadelphia as well, like it looked. I mean,

454
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 2: that was a convincing win for Sakag and Man, there's

455
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: not only angst in western Pennsylvania today, but some anks

456
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: in eastern Pennsylvania as well as the Eagles are not

457
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 2: looking like they're taking flight, like I think a lot

458
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,239
Speaker 2: of us predicted after they added some nice pieces at

459
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Speaker 2: the trade deadline.

460
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Speaker 3: There's a couple of perennial winning teams that are in

461
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 3: tumultuous situations and the team seriers are about to play

462
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: is one. The defending Super Bowl champs is one. Cansas

463
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Speaker 3: City is one, I mean was kind of one, and

464
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Speaker 3: say Buffalo could have been if you have the loser,

465
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Speaker 3: yesterday's game was going to be one. Yeah right, yeah,

466
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Speaker 3: I uh yeah.

467
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Speaker 2: Just the Eagles offense is struggling and their defense is good,

468
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Speaker 2: but I don't think it's quite elite like they need

469
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Speaker 2: it to.

470
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Speaker 3: Be, not to the level right I was. I think

471
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Speaker 3: they're starting to lose time possession a lot too, which

472
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Speaker 3: is that they can't they just can't run, like they

473
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Speaker 3: don't need to dominate.

474
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Speaker 2: Watching that game on Friday with my in laws and

475
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: they're screaming and cutting this and that, and I'm like,

476
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for you guys is you

477
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 2: just can't run the ball like you did last year.

478
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Speaker 2: Right now, That's the biggest thing for the Eagles. It's

479
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 2: very simple, but it's I mean too much hurt. Offensive

480
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: line isn't as good as it was. Because of that,

481
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Speaker 2: Saquon is not getting the opportunities and the run ways

482
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Speaker 2: that he was, and because of that, they're asking too

483
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 2: much of hurts in the past game, and defenses are

484
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: able to queue on the pass game more because the run,

485
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Speaker 2: because Saquan's not knocking sixty seventy yard home run touchdown

486
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Speaker 2: runs every game.

487
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Speaker 3: And people get sick of me probably saying that, but

488
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 3: this has been true since the dawn of time. More defenses.

489
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: Too much defense is bad defense. Yeah, and now then

490
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 3: they're probably on the field more than they should have been, absolutely,

491
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Speaker 3: no doubt.

492
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Matt staying hot. The forty nine ers somehow nine

493
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Speaker 2: to four. Uh as they go in too Cleveland.

494
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Speaker 3: They're going to the playoffs. They're going to playoffs.

495
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Speaker 2: Yeah, professional, comfortable, buttoned up twenty six to eight win

496
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Speaker 2: in Cleveland against the Browns.

497
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Speaker 3: I don't have a lot to add except for Shanahan

498
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 3: should being coach a year conversations with all that they've won.

499
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 3: Party still doesn't look quite right, but it doesn't really matter.

500
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Speaker 3: And the Browns aren't the hardest team the league to

501
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Speaker 3: play against. But the defense is pretty legit. Yes it is.

502
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Speaker 2: In another sack for Miles Garrett, you go one. Yeah,

503
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Speaker 2: he's at nineteen now, I.

504
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Speaker 3: Think so, yeah, number enter December.

505
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Speaker 2: Oh boy, I don't like that he's got a real

506
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: shot to surpass TJ and straighthand for the all time record.

507
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: Certainly something we'll be keeping an eye on as we

508
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: roll along here. We predicted this one, Matt. Not a

509
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 2: lot of surprise in Music City, as the Titans are

510
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: just kind of going through the motions. Can kun on

511
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: three getting ready for their January vacations. Jaguars go in there,

512
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: another simple, effective, buttoned up performance twenty five to three.

513
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: The Jags take care of business, and I'm starting to

514
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Speaker 2: think they're going to the playoffs.

515
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Speaker 3: I would say I think there's a Jaggs Bears correlation here.

516
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Speaker 3: First overall, pick quarterback, brand new head coach, offensive minded,

517
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: first time they coach. Yeah, are they real or not? Now?

518
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 3: And the Bears are ahead of them in the timeline

519
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 3: for the year, and I think they're the better team now.

520
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: But it's like, you keep winning games, I eventually have

521
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: to say, this isn't a fluke anymore. You know, Yeah,

522
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 3: they're in first place.

523
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Speaker 2: They're in first place, and they do have some tough

524
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Speaker 2: games remaining, but they have that tie breaker over the Chiefs,

525
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: which feels like it would loom large if you know,

526
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Speaker 2: Kansas City were to get back into it. And Jacksonville

527
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: would falter AFC South not traight now, it really is,

528
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: it really is. And speaking of the the AFC South, man.

529
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Speaker 3: Huge win for Houston, huge, huge.

530
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Speaker 2: Huge win for Houston is they go to Indianapolis, which

531
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Speaker 2: is not in the South, but there's always outliers in

532
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: these divisions, right the Texans go on the road and

533
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: they've been must win mode now for about a month. Houston,

534
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: it feels like they're playing great twenty to sixteen win

535
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Speaker 2: over Indy to hand the Colts their first home loss

536
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Speaker 2: of the year.

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Speaker 3: Defense is phenomenal, The offense is slowly coming around, slowly

538
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Speaker 3: coming around. Houston's playing as well as anyone in the AFC. Man.

539
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Speaker 2: That division is gonna the NFC West is going to

540
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Speaker 2: be a lot of fun. The AFC South is going

541
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Speaker 2: to be a lot of fun down the stretch here.

542
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Speaker 2: Colts eight and four, Jags eight for Texans seven and five.

543
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Speaker 3: Yeah, coming on really strong, very impressed. I think they

544
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 3: started own three, they started owing three.

545
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Speaker 2: They are now seven and five, and they've had that

546
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Speaker 2: tough first place schedule to deal with.

547
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Speaker 3: They're playing all the big dogs Kansas City.

548
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: And all those teams play each other again down the stretch.

549
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot of fun to watch the

550
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Speaker 2: AFC South unfold here in the month of December and

551
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Speaker 2: into January.

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Speaker 3: Matt. It makes me think more and more too, there's

553
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Speaker 3: not two teams coming out of the North, because now

554
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Speaker 3: I think the Bills are in.

555
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's two teams coming out of the North,

556
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Speaker 2: and I don't think there's three teams coming out of

557
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Speaker 2: the AFC.

558
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: West agreed agreed of of.

559
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Speaker 2: Of Chiefs and Chargers. I feel like one is.

560
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Speaker 3: Is gonna be Denver's.

561
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Speaker 2: Gonna go plus one there, Buffalo is gonna go along

562
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Speaker 2: with New England.

563
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you'll get somebody other South. Yeah.

564
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dolphins continuing and I man, that's one of those

565
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: we talk about how schedule luck and how things fall

566
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: and all of that. I really wish the Steelers would

567
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: have gotten the Dolphins in September. When that came out,

568
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: you were like, Oh, the Dolphins in primetime in Pittsburgh

569
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Speaker 2: in December.

570
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Speaker 3: Great, just don't go to Miami in week one or two.

571
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Speaker 2: Now you're like, I would rather have gone to Miami.

572
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: In yeah, quarter week two, because they're not bad at all.

573
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Speaker 2: The Dolphins are now five and seven after beating the

574
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Speaker 2: Saints twenty one to seventeen in Miami. Dolphins led pretty

575
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: substantially at halftime. Saints were able to make it a

576
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: game in the second half, but the Dolphins continue to

577
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: stack wins. Forget who they have. Let me look next week,

578
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: but it's not, Oh, they're playing the Jets next week.

579
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: That'll probably be another way.

580
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: Rolling along.

581
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Speaker 2: Let me six and seven in all likelihood and heading

582
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: here for that Monday night football clash. Didn't see that

583
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: coming a couple months.

584
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Speaker 3: I did not know. And again things change. If this

585
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 3: was Dolphins Nation Radio week four times be a lot

586
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: more miserable than they are for Steelers Nation Radio right now,

587
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: you know, and you can turn things around.

588
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Speaker 2: Speaking of those Jets, they get their third win of

589
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: the seas. He's in a walk off field goal to

590
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: beat the Falcons twenty seven to twenty four.

591
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 3: The three and nine, Yeah, I don't know what thing

592
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: of Atlanta except for I think they're worse than I

593
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: even thought same.

594
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: They're They're a pretty pretty sizable disappointment, you know, at

595
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: large this year. I laugh though, like the Jets now

596
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: have the sixth pick in the draft, and it's like,

597
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: like I've got a buddy from college who's from Long

598
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: Island and a huge Jets fan. Him and I were

599
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: texting last night and he's like, my team has been

600
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 2: generationally bad since Mark Sanchez and Rex Ryan. He's like,

601
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: only once have we gotten the first overall pick.

602
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: He's like, we always find a way to pick sixth. Okay, no,

603
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: He's like, what are we doing? That's kind of funny.

604
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: So instead of Stafford, they got Sanchez. Yes, yeah, they

605
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: got It's like so much like a Wilson out of

606
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Speaker 3: b Yu And yeah, you get the bridesmaid.

607
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: Yes, they getting a lot of bridesmaids, a lot of

608
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: fifth and sixth and seventh picks instead of you know,

609
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: instead of the first and second pick. But the Jets, yeah,

610
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: they get a They get a walk off win against

611
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Speaker 2: the Falcons to move to three and nine. Falcons fall

612
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: to four and eight, Matt. The Buccaneers bounce back, maybe

613
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: not as decisive as it could have been, but they

614
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: get a much needed win move to seven and five

615
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: as they take care of business at home against the

616
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Speaker 2: Cardinals twenty to seventeen.

617
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Cardinals are starting to show some problems too,

618
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: I mean, like.

619
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Speaker 2: One to nine in their last ten games and they're.

620
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Speaker 3: Just not winning games. They're not as bad as a

621
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: one win team out of ten, but it's.

622
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: They're not as bad as the Titans or the Raiders.

623
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: But I don't think they're much better either. Now.

624
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: They're not showing much signs of life there. But I

625
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: do like Tampa's chances, although CAROLINEA is not going away.

626
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: I mean, as you mentioned last segment.

627
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Yeah, the Panthers at home one of

628
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: the more surprising results of the weekend, maybe the most

629
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Speaker 2: surprising of the weekend. They beat the Rams, who we

630
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: all had at top of our power right.

631
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Speaker 3: Here, rightfully showing I probably still keep them there.

632
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: Thirty one to twenty eight. The Painters move to seven

633
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: and six. They stay with that slight advantage over the

634
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: Bucks and matt For you know, for teams like the

635
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: Falcons and the Raiders that have really underperformed expectations this season,

636
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: the Panthers have to be one of the more, maybe

637
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: along with the Colts, one of the more positive stories

638
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: in that regard. It is December and they are in

639
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: the playoff hunt.

640
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the division take that in a thousand years.

641
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: I mean, that's huge for that organization. For how bad

642
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: they've been to.

643
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: Cam Newton, who I mentioned in the last second. They've

644
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: been in this position since Cam Newton.

645
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: Probably not, I don't think, and again maybe he should

646
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: get the Coach of the Year conversation. I mean, yeah,

647
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: they're right there with any team in the league for

648
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: maximizing the talent they have because they don't.

649
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: Have a ton No, you know, they're running the ball effectively.

650
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they run the ball almost every week.

651
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: The defense had been a disaster, they've at least stabilized

652
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: that bad.

653
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

654
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you give up twenty eight points to the Rams,

655
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: That's that's a winning effort.

656
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: Although I hate this, like put this wet blanket on it.

657
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: I'm I don't know what to think of Bryce Young,

658
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: but he's coming back next year, and I kind of

659
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Speaker 3: thought that maybe they'd be better off when three games

660
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: and moving on for him, you know, But so be it.

661
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: I mean, a guy playing Steelers. Yeah, it could be

662
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: one team that somebody else out of the quarterback mark. Yeah, yeah,

663
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: but you're right point it could be a maybe Miami

664
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: and Carolina or out of the quarterback market now.

665
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: That would help. Yeah, Seahawks, they roll Matt. Speaking of best.

666
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: Teams, their defense is defense is unbelievable.

667
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: Twenty six to nothing. They shut out Minnesota.

668
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: And Minnesota was totally Justin Jefferson caught like one pass.

669
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, he got me zero fantasy

670
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: this week. Zero as not his fault, none, Yeah, and

671
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: it's not his fault. I keep thinking every week, should

672
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: I bench Justin Jefferson? And I'm like, bench the best

673
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: or second best receiver in the NFL? But like, yeah,

674
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: zero points, one catch, doesn't have a quarter.

675
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: He probably me throwing them the football. They've had the

676
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: worst quarterbacking of any team in the league that started

677
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: to finish this year. Three different three different culprits now

678
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: but last.

679
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's probably some others in the conversation, but I

680
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: think they take the cake.

681
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: So side note, I just find this. This is a

682
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: very side note. This is nuts, Max Brosmer, Depending how

683
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: you look at it, was the first Minnesota Gopher to

684
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: ever start an NFL game at quarterback.

685
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: Yes, not that saying one, no, because Doungee did that.

686
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Dongee came off the bench for the Steelers. Like Jim

687
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: Wexell wrote to me, I put this on Twitter and

688
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: Jim Wexel wrote, He's like well, Dongee threw an interception

689
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: and caught an interception the same game. I'm like, that's cool,

690
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: but did he start the game. No, he was the

691
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: emergency quarterback after Bradshaw and someone else got hurt. Yeah. Yeah,

692
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: because he was a he was a quarterback at Minnesota,

693
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: but he never started an NFL game as a fun quarterback.

694
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: True, Like if you look at their list of like,

695
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, quarterbacks in the past.

696
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: A couple of people mentioned somebody during a strike season.

697
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: I don't think that counts.

698
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: No, I mean, technically it does, but.

699
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 3: Not for the for this exact conversation. This conversation, somebody

700
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: brought up spurgean Win, which you probably never heard that name,

701
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: and I forget exactly what it was. But he started

702
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: two games in the in the NFL, but none at Minnesota.

703
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: So I'm like, so I don't I'm almost certain and

704
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: no one's one hundred percent told me this on Twitter

705
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: because I just heard it randomly. But I don't think

706
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: anyone has started a game for the Gophers and in

707
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: the NFL and back in like the old timey days,

708
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: like in the fifties.

709
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: Right, that's when it's that's when it's great.

710
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: They were a really good they were really good college program.

711
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: Oh they had they had they had a run back

712
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: then when they were win a national championship, they were.

713
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: One of the best program in the country, right, Like,

714
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: that's so nute to me.

715
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Like Tanner Morgan was on the Steelers practice squad for

716
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: a year, guys that made the Latti Weber was on

717
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: the Broncos practice squad. But they're all they're all time

718
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: quarterback like leaders are a bunch of names you've never

719
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: heard of.

720
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure, but I'm almost certain. And there's some caveats there.

721
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.

722
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: Started a game at Minnesota and started a game in

723
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Speaker 3: the NFL. I think you're right. I think there's zero

724
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: of those. I think Brosmaer is the only one.

725
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: I think my quick little research here of going through

726
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 2: their top five or six quarterbacks in terms of passing

727
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: yards for their career, they all were like practice squad

728
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: guys or like you know, played in the CFL a

729
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: little bit like their they're list of quarterbacks and program

730
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: history or not.

731
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Speaker 3: I meant to bring them last week, though, Like that

732
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: blows me away. I mean, that's a lot of years.

733
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: It is crazy. I mean, that's like eight decades. That

734
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: is that is crazy.

735
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: Tony Doungee tenth all time and passing touchdowns for quarterbacks

736
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: he was.

737
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Speaker 3: At defensive back. I got a picture on my wall

738
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: the seventy eight Steelers. He's wearing number twenty one.

739
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: You want to talk about Minnesota golden golfers in the

740
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: hockey arena of different world.

741
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: Right, right, right? But that is that bonkers? He's crazy? Yeah, yeah, well,

742
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: not the worst program ever.

743
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: Max Brosmer, good luck pal for for interceptions.

744
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: He's not a ring endorsement. That to try it again either.

745
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: Let's see a couple more here. Chargers take care of

746
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: business against the Raiders thirty one to fourteen, Matt.

747
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: Unfortunately a lot of the good teams played Thursday. There

748
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: there wasn't a ton of great games, no feature games

749
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: or you know.

750
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: And the Chargers move to eight and four. They stay

751
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: right in that wild card hunt. In conversation, Herbert broke

752
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: his hand, but that was going to say the bigger

753
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: story is that they might be missing Herbert for a

754
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: substantial amount of time here with a broken hand, Raiders.

755
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 3: Are horrendous, terrible yeah yeah.

756
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: Although brock Bowers, my goodness, yeah, had a second touchdown

757
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: catch that he had.

758
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just fine.

759
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: He's just fine. And finally, Matt last night an exciting one,

760
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: a thrilling game, overtimes, two point conversion at the end,

761
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: decides that I wanted to go to bed like seven

762
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: different times, but they kept me awake. Broncos Commanders. Commanders

763
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: kick a field goal late to tie. It goes to overtime.

764
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: Broncos march right down the field and score. Commanders get

765
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: their shot. They march down the field and score. They

766
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: go for two, it gets deflected and the Broncos hold

767
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: on to stay at ten and two, winning overtime against

768
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: the Commander's twenty seven to twenty six.

769
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: Really enjoy game.

770
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: Like I said, I was exhausted.

771
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: You know.

772
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: I didn't get home till like eleven o'clock from the stadium,

773
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: so this was already in the fourth quarter, and I

774
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: was like, all right, come on, Denver, just put this

775
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: thing away to bed. And then Commanders kick a field

776
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: goal to make it a three point game, and I'm

777
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: like okay. And Commander's got a chance to tie it

778
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: at the end and I'm like okay. And then it

779
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: goes the overtime and the Broncos scored, and I'm like, okay,

780
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: it was a great game.

781
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: It was, and Mariota played pretty well and you know,

782
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 3: against a great defense, and yeah, it was a very

783
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: even game where I kept thinking Denver just gonna end

784
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: this thing. It was. I did not say play by

785
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: the way, who is Nix is starting to play?

786
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: Start to play a little bit? Yeah, starting to play

787
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 2: a little bit better? Is bow Knicks and that Broncos

788
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: offense a little bit better.

789
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: Still not great, but kind of receiver by committee and

790
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: you know, running back by committee.

791
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: If they can just kind of continue to steadily improve

792
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: that offense bow Knicks week by week with what that

793
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 2: defense is, they're gonna have a shot.

794
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: They're gonna have a shot. They might be the best

795
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: team NFC. I don't know who is I don't know

796
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 3: playing the best. I don't know. Maybe it's New England

797
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: at night. I don't know.

798
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh, that's a good point by you New

799
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: England tonight, Matt, before.

800
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: We uh mage the Giants before we Yeah.

801
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find the it was just right there.

802
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: Where did it go? The spread on that one?

803
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: New England's seven and a half point favorites at home

804
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: against New York Patriots cover weird stuff happening.

805
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 3: I'd probably take the points. I think i'd take the point.

806
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: Tyler found this guy because that someone tweeted me about

807
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: Mike Hanes. This is this is a he started games

808
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: at Minnesota and for the Bears, but it was during

809
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: the strike year. I am not counting that because he

810
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: would not have been their starter. Yeah, I mean I

811
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: think that it was this like mid eighties. Jim McMahon

812
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 3: was their starter. He was not the Bears starting quarterback.

813
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: He was. McMahon was just on.

814
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: He started two games during the strike of eighty seven,

815
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: threw four.

816
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: Touchdowns and only one interception. You know, I mean, come on,

817
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 3: went from Minnesota to the USFL. Two and oh yeah,

818
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 3: also on Pittsburgh's arena team at the time.

819
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: Hey, two and oh is a starting quarterback in the NFL, undefeated,

820
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: never lost.

821
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: And again TV digs up Spurgeon Wynn, who I mentioned

822
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: started at Minnesota, went to Texas State.

823
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: Doesn't count, doesn't count where you finished.

824
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: So again, there's some fine lines here, but let's just

825
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: say there's not been a whole lot of Gophers. Don't

826
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: give me that, but it's starting quarter.

827
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: Don't give me that Russell Wilson a whole pack of

828
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: Badgers or whatever he tries to do, or Jordan Addison

829
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: usc pit. Nah, it's wherever you wherever you got drafted from,

830
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: whatever it's set on that note card that Roger Goodell

831
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: are d that's where That's where it counts. Although it's

832
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it is always funny when Russell Wilson did

833
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: like four years in NC state and won at Wisconsin.

834
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: But listen, I don't make the rules. I just enforced him.

835
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

836
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: In his bio it says Wisconsin as much as he

837
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: wants to say pack.

838
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: A Badger segment. Though the league is very topsy turvy.

839
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: Right now, very topsy turvy.

840
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: I don't know who's good in the AFC, but I'm

841
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: not saying the Steelers are playing great.

842
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: Real quick, if I told you this team wins the

843
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: a f C, would you be surprised?

844
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: Yes? Or no? Denver you mean, like goes to the

845
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: Super Bowl or goes to the.

846
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: Super Bowl Denver, No, New England.

847
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: Yes, Buffalo yes, I mean yes, surprised on all those

848
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: yeses are surprised no.

849
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: Jacksonville yes, Jack Baltimore yes, Steelers yes.

850
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: Correct Chiefs No. But I'm not sure they can get

851
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: in watch they're going to get.

852
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: There, So right now you would say Denver, And who

853
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: is the other one?

854
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: Houston, Buffalo, Houston, Houston and Kansas City.

855
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: Buffalo might be the one where I know their passing

856
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: attack is still a lot to be desired. But what

857
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: if they start to figure it out in the month

858
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: of December and they get hot at the right time.

859
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: And possible, I just don't know who's catching passes and

860
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: if they can stop the run. Let's wrap this thing up.

861
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: On the other side, a couple tweets to get to

862
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: before we get out of here and say our goodbyes.

863
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: On this Monday was Shuler.

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00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: Matt Williams said, It's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio

865
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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

867
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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Closing down the Drive here on a Monday, and we've

869
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Speaker 2: just we've left it short for the final segment. Once again, Matt,

870
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: we have a tendency we love to talk about, but

871
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: plenty to talk about. We've just got a couple of

872
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: minutes here in our final segment before we have to

873
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: go to break. I do want to try and get

874
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: to some tweets, maybe one or two, depending on how

875
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: much time we have here. But this one from Checker

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00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: I thought was a nice change of pace for today.

877
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: Checker says, aside from the doom and gloom and despair,

878
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: I would love to hear you guys thoughts and take

879
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: on what we do now with Roger Jones going into

880
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: the off season. Has he proven enough to pick up

881
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: his fifth year option? How would you guys handle that,

882
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: especially if he doesn't play the rest of the year. Matt,

883
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: I've got a pretty clear, concise, confident answer on this,

884
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: but I want to hear what you have to say first.

885
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do as well, and I was having a

886
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: conversation earlier today. Do you pick up the fifth year

887
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: option just so you have a left tackle? Because frankly,

888
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: you're in a dilemma now in terms of early picks

889
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 3: going forward, left tackles the second hardest one to achieve,

890
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: and quarterback has to be here first. Those are luxury items, yeah,

891
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: and they're just scarcera up.

892
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 2: I want to shop at Mercedes, Benz and Porsche and

893
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 2: not going to Uncle car a lot down the street.

894
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: I just don't think he's been good enough to pick

895
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: up the fifth year option, though, but it's all said

896
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: and done. Yeah, but he will be back next year

897
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: no matter what. Yes, I mean, so people, that's what's

898
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: weird about the fifth year old. He's in his third year. Yes,

899
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: so he will be your tackle next year, maybe the

900
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback. Maybe not. Maybe he won't have a first

901
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: round pick after that because you traded it. But I

902
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: might just have to jump off that bridge when I

903
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 3: come to it and draft one. I think they're crazy

904
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: if they don't use like a third round pick on

905
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: a tackle or a reasonably high pick almost every year,

906
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: but next year in particular, with extra picks. Maybe that

907
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: guy turns into somebody in his second year that can

908
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: replace Broderick, which would be his fifth when he leaves.

909
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: But I don't think I do. Don't think it's he's

910
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: warranted his play to get this picked up, but it's sticky.

911
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: I mean, it'd be so much better if he did.

912
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: And this injury doesn't help.

913
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: No, this injury does not help. But I'm still leaning

914
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: heavily towards picking it up.

915
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: I understand. Yeah, two reasons why.

916
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: One, the number is about nineteen million dollars a little

917
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: bit more than that two years from now in the

918
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: scope of what that's going to be for your salary cap.

919
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: There's nothing backbreaking there. Dan Moore junior, Dan Moore junior

920
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: just made more than that on the open market.

921
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, you don't want to be shot. That's the

922
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: worst idea, So go agency.

923
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: It is a little like you could still go quarterback

924
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 2: first round next year and have Progerck for one more

925
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: year and then go back to the offensive line the

926
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: following year.

927
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: So if you have that pick, it's it's that's what

928
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

929
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: That Zach exactly right, And so I would rather err

930
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: on the side of maybe I overpay Broderick to be

931
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: an average slightly below average left tackle.

932
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: For a year hopefully improving.

933
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: Hopefully improving, and and in the offensive line around him

934
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: improving two which kind of rises all all tides, you know,

935
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: a high tide rises all ships type thing.

936
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 3: I and I just Matt.

937
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: They've invested so much on the offensive line recently, two

938
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: first round picks, a second round pick McCormick was a

939
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: fourth rounder four. But like, I don't want to go

940
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: back to that well and spend another first round pick

941
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: on offensive tackle, like.

942
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: I and you can't make a wrong business decision just

943
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: for that reason. But that's the strongest case to do it,

944
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: you know.

945
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: So that's the side of caution. There's no easy right

946
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: answer either way.

947
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: No, there isn't.

948
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: But I would rather air on the side of hanging

949
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: on for him a year longer than giving up on him.

950
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: A year only based on the position he plays. Oh yes,

951
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: I mean if here's any other position on the field,

952
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: the answer is not.

953
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that, right, But I just

954
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to go back to that. Well,

955
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: and and that would be what drafting a you know,

956
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: a left tackle in the first round three out of

957
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: six years, Like, I don't want to do that if

958
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: I do that at all, If I do that at quarterback,

959
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: that's one thing. I don't want to do it at

960
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: left tackle or anywhere on the offensive line, yeah, anywhere

961
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: that's not quarterback.

962
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: Now, you might look back fifteen years now and be like,

963
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 3: you ended up with a great set of tackles because

964
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: number one missed, Number two hit number three hit. Sure

965
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: you know, and you're you're the envy of the league

966
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: with these awesome book ND tackles and two out of

967
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: three is not a bad hit rate. And it's not

968
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: like Jones has been nothing, you know, I mean he's

969
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: played for you, you know, he has not been on

970
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 3: the bench. Now, one side note, when the season ends,

971
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 3: we're going to do an exercise and we know how

972
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: many picks the Steelers have and I'm not even saying where,

973
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: but they're probably going to be around ten. They're gonna

974
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: have a lot of picks, you know, a lot of

975
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: more mid round and compicks, et cetera. But I'm gonna

976
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: still want them to draft too offensive linemen because every year,

977
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: this last year, almost every year, you should draft one

978
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: every year. Last year they didn't draft any.

979
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: Correct and you were picked short because of the DK trade, Right.

980
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: And they go in the difference. Right, But even if

981
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 3: it's a sixth rounder that turns into Spencer Anderson, great,

982
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 3: But I want them to take an into your guy

983
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: and attack no matter what happens with Jones, no matter what,

984
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: no matter what, no matter what you know. And then

985
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 3: this is a much bigger conversation. It's not off season

986
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: time just because they lost the building. I'm with you

987
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: on that.

988
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, but I did think that

989
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: one and the scope of the.

990
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: Current it's really important because it was new injury too. Absolutely,

991
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 3: he has no more resume to build.

992
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: You know, hopefully he misses what would have to be

993
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: three more games and then is the least able to

994
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: return for your.

995
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: Last couple or the playoffs.

996
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get a couple more data points. But yeah,

997
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: that decision was already a sticky one becomes obviously even

998
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: more difficult when you're going to miss him for at

999
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: least four games down the stretch.

1000
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 3: Here, you might need a corner too, and those are

1001
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: usually first round picks, and we need the expensive stuff

1002
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: all of a sudden.

1003
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: I also, if I'm feeling good about this offensive line

1004
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: two years from now, let's go pie in the sky

1005
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: feeling good about this offensive line. I'm heading into sophomore

1006
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: year with first round twenty twenty five quarterback, and we

1007
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: think we got our guy. Yeah, I might in the

1008
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: first round want to go get this guy a Ferrari.

1009
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: I might want to go get him a you know, hey,

1010
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: here's a tech McMillan buddy.

1011
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, here's a you know here, here's a Jamar.

1012
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: And I don't think they're going to be picking high

1013
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: enough to get a Jamar Chase or a Jeremiah Smith

1014
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: or but you get what I'm saying, Like I might

1015
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: want to say, hey, we've got the offensive line build up,

1016
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 2: we think we have the quarterback. Here's a luxury item

1017
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: for you. Yeah, here's a's a penthouse on South Beach.

1018
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: Maybe this is much bigger conversation we have time for.

1019
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, we we'll talk about it

1020
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: in the coming months, weeks, et cetera. But it's a

1021
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: good it's a good receiver draft. Austin's up.

1022
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: Here's here's a Justin Jefferson. Yeah, here's a tech McMillan.

1023
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I they need a number two receiver.

1024
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I just I want all options on

1025
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: the table for quarterback and yeah. But again, it's a tough,

1026
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: tough one that we will spend plenty more time on

1027
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: when the season actually does end, and we have all

1028
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 2: the data points in the full scope of this twenty

1029
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: twenty five regular season. But that will do it for

1030
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: us today. A lot of tweets. We'll get to more

1031
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: of those as the week rolls along. Big thank you

1032
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: to Rob King for joining us. Big shout out, as

1033
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: always to our video producer Tyler v mister TV for

1034
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: making sure we look handsome on YouTube, and a big

1035
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: thank you to the great one Matt Williamson. Take care everybody.

1036
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: Tomorrow Mike Tomlin press conference, we'll have some injury updates.

1037
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: We'll have more news from that our Tuesday rewind thoughts

1038
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: as well. Plenty to get to on a Tuesday, and

1039
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: we'll do that about twenty two hours from now. Take

1040
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: care until then. I'm West Shouler, He's Matt Williamson, and

1041
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,000
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1042
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,320
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