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Speaker 1: Greetings everyone, abandon all hope he who enter here. I'm

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Speaker 1: Eli and I'm Diana. Where your horrific hosts for this

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Speaker 1: our first special series of October Fridays on Recryptulus Romance.

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Speaker 1: We're bringing you the spookiest, scariest stories we could find,

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Speaker 1: full of ectoplasmic passion and courtship with corpses. We've been

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Speaker 1: digging up dirt on devilish and depraved stories that are

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Speaker 1: sure to touch your heart and then rip it right

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Speaker 1: through your bones. Oh yeah, very excited about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're fans of Halloween. In case that hasn't come crossed

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Speaker 1: love it. I'll tell you Atlanta is the place to

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Speaker 1: be very Halloween. Very true. I mean, I guess Salem,

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Speaker 1: Massachusetts it's probably really, but that's like going to Belgium

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Speaker 1: for October Fest, Like it's probably a little too much

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Speaker 1: right on. I don't know. Atlanta is very good at

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Speaker 1: celebrating Halloween, that's true. We've got we got stuff to do,

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Speaker 1: good stuff around here. We have to figure out our costumes.

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Speaker 1: Very true. Um, we've had some great ones in the past.

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Speaker 1: Are our standard fallback and we don't have anything else.

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Speaker 1: Of course, is aber zombie and which, um, we'll put

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Speaker 1: pictures up on Instagram of those. Yes, um, well we'll

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Speaker 1: probably do a little slideshow of all our favorite that's

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Speaker 1: a good idea. Yeah, every Friday this month, we've got

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Speaker 1: planned some some spooky horror stories. He'll send us any

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Speaker 1: if you've got some very true put on the doctor

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Speaker 1: for next year. And we know y'all love those depraved weirdos.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you do. Who doesn't. Today's story is about

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Speaker 1: Amanda large Tigue, a pagan medium who found the love

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Speaker 1: of her life beyond the veil, wandering the ethereal plane.

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Speaker 1: Not just any spirit. This man was Captain Jack t

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Speaker 1: a Haitian pirate, executed for his treacherous crimes. But where

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Speaker 1: Amanda thought she found happiness in truth, this s ghoulish

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Speaker 1: groom had darker plans, and it nearly killed her. I've

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Speaker 1: got tangles already. I can't wait. Let's go hay their friends.

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Speaker 1: Letien say you're welcome to Hell. There's no matchmaking romantic teaps.

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Speaker 1: It's just aday coops. As you were lying in crypts,

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Speaker 1: I love my dear. Type of mons goes to a

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Speaker 1: demonic too. But if there's a spirit with the second

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Speaker 1: jets we'll shows a production of I Heart Radio. Amanda

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. She had a British father and an

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Speaker 1: Irish mother. Their wedding was a mix of religious denominations,

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Speaker 1: which was a huge issue back then, right, so they

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Speaker 1: alienated much of their extended family, and Amanda was an

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Speaker 1: for much of her early life. They moved to the

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Speaker 1: Republic of Ireland when she was eight years old, and

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Speaker 1: she was sent to a stereotypically oppressive Catholic school there

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Speaker 1: the True Horror show. Oh yeah, She's like, this is

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Speaker 1: was a big trend in moving and crying Virgin Mary statues,

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Speaker 1: right over ready to have one as well. This one's

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Speaker 1: for that Graham Mary. Mine's a Gucci crying virgin name

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Speaker 1: And then I also laughed when he pinned off the propeller,

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Speaker 1: So will fast forward a few years past Amanda's first marriage. Um.

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Speaker 1: think about it, the stronger it gets. I think we've

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00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: all had a crush like that. Oh yeah, we stop.

423
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: I did not want this, Johnny Depp. No. And Jack

424
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: was actually the one who asked her first if she

425
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: felt something special for him and if maybe they could

426
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: be together. She was like, okay, buddy, all right, it's

427
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: like heart, Wait a second, theory, Laddie, what's so shy

428
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: about this. I am not nailing her accent. I am

429
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: doing generic Irish and she has a very specific accent.

430
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: It's actually white beautiful. Listen to interviews, so I love

431
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: the way she talks um. But she's like, yeah, this

432
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: this that sounds a little that sounds a little crazy

433
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: for me. And he explained to her that spiritual sex

434
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: was a possibility and actually a committed relationship between them

435
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: was even possible. So she went back to the books

436
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: and started researching this. I'm like this, she said, let

437
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: me check this ship out. She's not someone who's just

438
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna walk into something like. She knows what sounds crazy.

439
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: Next time you're on Facebook and you see a random meme,

440
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: just think of Amanda. Go check it out before you share, right.

441
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's kind of great about her. She's

442
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: got that open mind where she's you know, willing to

443
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: Like she found out that yes, this was indeed possible. Okay, great,

444
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm into it. But she didn't just She's not just

445
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: immediately going to believe everything she hears um. And so

446
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: she goes back to the book, she does some research,

447
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: She talks to some people in her community, and she

448
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: learns that indeed, in Shamanism, it was not unheard of

449
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: for a posthumous marriage to take place, for a person

450
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: to marry a spirit, and in fact, in Jack's own

451
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Haitian culture, she said it was very common. Now Editor's note,

452
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: I'll say, in a cursory Google search, I was not

453
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: able to verify any of that about Haitian culture. Uh,

454
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: and it being common to marry spirits, So don't at me.

455
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm just taking Jack's word for it here. I know,

456
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: common seems like a bad choice of word. I've like

457
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: marriage to person is probably more common. Nah, people are

458
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: always married ghosts excuse me, spirits. Let me emphasize that.

459
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: She does point out that a ghost is like if

460
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: you go to like a haunted place somewhere and there's

461
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: like a residual energy that kind of left behind. Um,

462
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: this can be from events and images that are sort

463
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: of trapped. She says, they can be locked in the

464
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: atmosphere through a certain kind of oxidization. That's a ghost.

465
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: But like an individual person who used to be deceased

466
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and now their presence is here, that's a spirit. And

467
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: that's the difference there. Um, Okay, so you're all thinking

468
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: probably what immediately I thought, and what probably you thought? Uh,

469
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: y'all just said spiritual sex. And you can't just drop

470
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: that and leave it there. It isn't tell me more. Yeah, obviously,

471
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: well not just leave that there. Obviously we did not

472
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: what kind of romance hosts would would be if we

473
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: just said spiritual sex and moved on. Yeah, we fully

474
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: poked that bear. And Amanda says in the podcast interview

475
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: that she and Jack had tried to have spiritual sex

476
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: a few times, but she wasn't really sure how it

477
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 1: would work and like what to get out of it,

478
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: so it wasn't very successful. And she says, spiritual sex

479
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: is not masturbation very important note, because that's what we're

480
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: all thinking, is that just laying there there, Yeah, there's

481
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: a ghost and I'm gonna handle my handle my business here. Yeah.

482
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: But she says that if you're just lying there masturbating,

483
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: that's just a spirit watching you masturbate. Like there's no hey,

484
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm not here to yuk somebody's ghostly yum exactly. I

485
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: like it when the spirits watch. So anyway, again, she

486
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: shows that she likes to do her own research, and

487
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: she went to other people in her spiritual community. She

488
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: just heard that spiritual sex was something they had heard of.

489
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: It just wasn't talked about very much for some reason.

490
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: They were like, it's just as taboo is talking about,

491
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, your irregular sex life. Like we're not gonna

492
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: bring it up all the time out of nowhere. Nobody

493
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: wants to hear that. Ship. A number of them had

494
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: actually had spiritual sex, but probably as you say, they're like,

495
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't about to be like, guess, like, guys,

496
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: what I did last night? Then the act itself is

497
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: more about the actual energy transfer. Again, this is really

498
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: blowing me back to Berlin Wall because they talked about

499
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: how they had sex with objects and it wasn't about

500
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: just masturbating with different objects. It's really involving an energy

501
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: transfer and there is some kind of collaboration happening with

502
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: the other party. Um, and this is like that, she says,

503
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Just like when you feel a spirit touched your face

504
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: or the back of your neck, you know, and you

505
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: might get like, who what was that? You know what

506
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean? It's very similar to that, but the it

507
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: touches you more intimately right, and you might go what

508
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: was that? What was that? Try again? Um? And she

509
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: said about four months after they first tried it, they

510
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: finally quote got the fireworks, and ultimately she says, it's

511
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: the best sex she's ever had. Now, I don't know

512
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: whether or not to feel like, oh, do I I

513
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: should try spiritual sex times or if I'm like man,

514
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: the physical sex she had was not very good. Yeah,

515
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: that was incredible. I felt pretty good. I'm not even crying.

516
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't feel sad and alone. It's amazing. Well, I

517
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: hope that's not the case. Mind blowing, right, because it

518
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: was mind blowing tory spelling and scary movie. And she's

519
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: getting like Corrol. Well, now that we've gotten through the

520
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: sexy stuff, Uh, I think we'll take a little break,

521
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: kind of cool off for a second. I need to

522
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: drink some water, and we'll be back with more of

523
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: this haunting tale of iron ghosts right after this Welcome

524
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: back to the show everyone. So with them having figured

525
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: out spiritual sex, Amanda started to think that we could

526
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: take this to the next level, and she started to

527
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: consider the legal possibility of the two of them getting married.

528
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: Now to Jack, marriage wasn't important. When she talked to

529
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: him about it, he was like, Uh, you know, I'm

530
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: not really the kind of the commitment kind of guy.

531
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: You know, I love you, baby, and I'll be here forever.

532
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: But you know, why put a label on it. Isn't

533
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: it more important that we choose each other every tean

534
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: but um Amanda felt like if she was going to

535
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: commit to a monogamous relationship with this spirit she wanted

536
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: him to commit as well. She wanted assurances. She really

537
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: just she just wanted the real deals. She just wanted

538
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: to be married to her lover, so he basically was like,

539
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: all right, he, I'll do it for you. There was

540
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: no precedent in Ireland or the UK for a posthumous

541
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: marriage at the time, meaning that there was nothing saying

542
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: that they legally could do this. But it also meant

543
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: there was nothing saying legally that they couldn't. So yeah, yeah,

544
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: She's like, you didn't say no. So she starts asking around,

545
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: trying to find a church who would marry them, but everyone,

546
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, was turning her down for some reason. Real

547
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: clothes minded. She knocked on the door. I'd like to

548
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: marry me and my fiance Jack would like to get married.

549
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh well, that sounds good. Where is he? He's right here.

550
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Hang on, close your eyes, I'll have him put his

551
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: hand on your neck. Uh. But no, that they're they're

552
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: denying her left and right. But finally she finds this

553
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: pagan church and she spoke to the self described Celtic

554
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: shaman Patrick Amon Carberry. Pedric Aman Carberry, he was a

555
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: legal wedding efficient in Northern Ireland, and he agreed to

556
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: marry them. Now they couldn't do the wedding on UK soil.

557
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: Something in the legalities there wouldn't allow it, so she

558
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: rented a ship and planned her wedding to be off

559
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: the coast of Ireland in international waters. Pretty cool. And

560
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: for the marriage to be legal there had to be

561
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: verbal consent from both parties. So I mean, obviously Amanda

562
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: couldn't just be like, oh, he just said I do.

563
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: Everything's fine. I swear he told me. Oh, yes, he

564
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: just said I do, and some lovely things about me.

565
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: He also says, your shoes to match your dress. Carol day,

566
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: it was Jack throw in shade from the altar wait

567
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: for the party bro anyway, so they had to find

568
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: an independent, third party medium to channel Jack's vows, to

569
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: channel his vows, and they searched far and wide and

570
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: eventually found someone that connected to Jack, because I guess

571
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: you can't just get any medium, find someone who can

572
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: really tune in to the right vibrations whatever. Um. But

573
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: this medium that was able to communicate with Jack. Her

574
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: name was Crystal Dove. And Jack had another friend named

575
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: Matthew who was going to be his best man. So

576
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: that's cute. He had a best man and he had

577
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: his mouthpiece. I guess, yeah, I mean another medium, I

578
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: guess friend of Arris. Who who was who communicated with

579
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: Jack on his own Yeah, and they were Buddy's cute

580
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: that he had. He had someone on his side of

581
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: the of the wedding. That's pretty cool, um and bonus romance.

582
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: This is so cute. Matthew and Crystal Dove fell in

583
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: love and were engaged later in So that's cute. How

584
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: did y'all meet? What a story. I was the medium

585
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: who was acting as a proxy for a spirit who

586
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: was getting married, and he was that spirit's best and

587
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: it was just love at first site. Amanda had found

588
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: a portrait of Captain Jack Sparrow of Johnny Depp, you know,

589
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: his character, thirty by thirty inch canvas painting. She got

590
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: some dope fan art, even though he didn't look like

591
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: Jack Sparrow, and she knew that already. I think that's

592
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of weird, but whatever, that's okay. She got a

593
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: picture of Jack Sparrow, and she and Jack agreed to

594
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: use that as his proxy during the wedding. So she

595
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: had something kind of like Akihiko having the dollar. You know,

596
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: you have to have something there there, you know, to

597
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: look at and and and speak to and everything. Um.

598
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: So she had this portrait and most of her friends

599
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: travel in the same circles. There very much in the

600
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: spiritual you know, shaman world and stuff. So even though

601
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: they might have been surprised that she was actually marrying him,

602
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: they still accepted it and they came for the wedding

603
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: to celebrate. Yeah. I mean, come on, though, you don't

604
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: turn that wedding invite down. Definitely not. You want to

605
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: get on this boat? Hi? There, friend, why don't you

606
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: come out with me on this boat. We're going to

607
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: sail into international waters and I'm going to marry a

608
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: spirit Oh really, Um, I find my calendar free that

609
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: let me definitely join you there. I'll start packing a

610
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: bag right now. I mean I would go to that

611
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: wedding even if it wasn't an open bar. Oh. Yeah,

612
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: I want to that. Oh I need to be there

613
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: for that wedding. Um. Amanda's mother was certainly dubious the

614
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: whole thing, um, but she did come to the wedding.

615
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: Her father, however, declined his invitation. So after a lot

616
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: of planning and thought and talks with lawyers, they set

617
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: sail for their ceremony on July but that's when things

618
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: started to go wrong. The ship sailed out into the ocean,

619
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: and the waves became shoppier and the trip got rough.

620
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: It took hours to get to the position they'd set.

621
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: Guests began to get sick, even though no one had

622
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: claimed to be prone to seasickness. The sky became gray

623
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: and a squall seemed to be approaching. Soon, the rain

624
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: came crashing down and the wind began to howl. The

625
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: ship was tossed to and fro as guests huddled in

626
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: the cabin. What had started as a cheerful wedding day

627
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: was turning into terror as guests grabbed the rails for

628
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: dear life. Between crashes of thunder, she heard bridesmaids gagging

629
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: and vomiting. One girl fell several times and was nearly

630
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: thrown overboard. Amanda was trying to fight back the tears

631
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: as her dream wedding was becoming a nightmare. After what

632
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: felt like an eternity, they reached international waters. The rain

633
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: let up, but a cold and foreboding wind still blew.

634
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: She hoped for the boat to stabilize as the captain

635
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: wade anchor, but the generator was so loud she could

636
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: barely hear the music. As the ceremony begin, the skipper

637
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: and the officient spoke with her and told her that

638
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: the ceremony would have to be cut short. It was

639
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: like someone was telling her, begging her not to go

640
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: through with it. She came close to calling off the

641
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: ceremony entirely, but she persevered because she believed this was

642
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: true love and no one could understand the way she

643
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: felt for him. They agreed to just perform the legal

644
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: parts of the ceremony. One bridesmaid held the Johnny Depp portrait.

645
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: Another held a candle which was completely impossible to light.

646
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: As they began the ceremony, a guest darted towards the

647
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: rail but missed and threw up all over Amanda's wedding dress.

648
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: A nightmare. I can't imagine a worse story for a

649
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: bride than somebody threw up on my dress at the altar.

650
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: Disgusting and horrible, and understandably, she burst into tears and

651
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: ran to the cabin, heartbroken that everything was going so poorly.

652
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: But she felt Jack's presence urging her to go on,

653
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to let him down. His energy

654
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: reminded her, I've been jilted before after all, Oh, let's see,

655
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: that's creepy to me, Like it's like a little gas lighty,

656
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: like well if I'm oh, you don't want to do this,

657
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: but if you don't, it's kind of it's kind of

658
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: bad for me. Like, I mean, it's weird too, because

659
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: he wasn't into it in the first place, right here,

660
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: getting pushy like that about come on, Jack, what's doing

661
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: a little weird Jack? So she went back to the

662
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: deck and in a blur, they did what they needed

663
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: to do for the marriage to be legal. There was

664
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: no rush, no excitement. It didn't feel like she was married,

665
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: just kind of disappointment. It was a real let down,

666
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: and Jack said he appreciated her going through with it.

667
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: In the coming days, she was dismayed and heartbroken. She

668
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: asked Jack if they could continue the ceremony somewhere else,

669
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: and he was resistant and strangely adversarial. She convinced him

670
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: to do a hand fasting ceremony, but only if it

671
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: was quiet and a family only affair. A hand fasting

672
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: ceremony is a Celtic tradition where the bride and groom

673
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: hold hands. There's like a rope that's wrapped around both

674
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: their hands. They're tied together. You'd see it in Brave Heart,

675
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: you know some of these older movies, you've seen it.

676
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: Over the next few weeks, everything was more or less normal.

677
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: Six weeks after the wedding, they had planned for their

678
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: hand fasting, but that was also plagued with issues. Amanda's

679
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: daughter had gone into premature labor and her baby had

680
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: to be kept at the hospital. Amanda herself saw the

681
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: first of what would be many abscesses on her skin,

682
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: and in the same week, Amanda's mother was admitted to

683
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: the hospital, but the ceremony went on. It was completed,

684
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: and after the hand fasting, Amanda finally felt like she

685
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: was married. But it was the first of some strange

686
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: health concerns to follow. Over the next few months, the

687
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: abscesses continued. She was plagued with skin issues and started

688
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: to feel sick regularly. She started to miss her periods,

689
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: which had never happened before for her, and a pregnancy

690
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: test came back positive. She told the doctor there was

691
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: no way she could be pregnant. A spirit literally cannot

692
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: impregnant anyone. It's very emphatic about this. Like again, let

693
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: me make sure you all understand that a spirit is

694
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: a spirit and there is nothing physical there. There's no dick,

695
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: there's no nothing. It's all touched and feel in energy. Energy. Yeah,

696
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: there's no I can't see him, I can't hear him.

697
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: He certainly can't make me pregnant. Now that makes no sense,

698
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: but the doctor insisted she must be pregnant because this

699
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: this pregnancy test. As you're pregnant, I'll need to tell

700
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: you man. It turned out that she had a very

701
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: low hormone count, which can trigger a false positive pregnancy test,

702
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: So there was no baby there. She had a spirit

703
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: husband and a phantom baby. Now mostly, she said her

704
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: life was just like any other normal couple who had

705
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: been married. They fought, they made love, they entertained each other,

706
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: and they had their own separate lives. Or I guess

707
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: she had her own separate life and he had his

708
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: own separate death. Well, I guess he had his friend Matthew,

709
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: so he had some other people to talk to. A

710
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: few months later, her dog Toby became very ill. Now

711
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: he was seventeen years old, so it's pretty old for

712
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: a dog. She knew that he would pass soon. Um

713
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: doctors told her he had cancer most of his body,

714
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: and when he died, she gave him a proper funeral

715
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: and had him cremated. But Jack was very resistant to

716
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: helping Toby cross over, and during a trance, while she's

717
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: trying to help her dog cross over to the spiritual realm,

718
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: Toby spirit would not go to him. If your dog

719
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: don't like your boyfriend, get another boyfriend. They fought over it,

720
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: and Amanda stopped speaking to Jack. There you go, girl,

721
00:45:52,880 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: dog first, even the ghost of the dog and how

722
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: to have And she had Toby's pop print and a

723
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: clipping of his fur in a bag, but when she

724
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: went back to look for them, they were gone. That

725
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: would be hard. That would be hard, especially recently, a

726
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: recent death. It would just be hard to lose those things.

727
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: So she offered a reward. She asked all of her neighbors.

728
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: She searched high and low, and finally she she returned

729
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: to her spirituality for the answers. She meditated. She asked

730
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: her deities to help her find the items, and to

731
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: her horror, they showed her Jack. So she went to

732
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: confront Jack about this. She's like, she was just totally

733
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: shocked that that's the image they gave her, and he

734
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: swore that a negative entity came and took these items

735
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: and it wasn't him, It wasn't me, baby, it was

736
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: the demons. I'd never do you like that, But some

737
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: crazy evil bills a Bob came in here took your

738
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: doggies paw print. Now, Amanda's health was continuing to decline here,

739
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: so she's getten a weird feeling about Jack, and she's

740
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: starting to piece together like woy, I really started to

741
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: feel sick and get all these like skin problems and

742
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: everything right after the wedding. So she went back to

743
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: her mentors and she kind of asked them, Hey, is

744
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: is it possible that maybe my spirit boyfriend is hurting

745
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: me in some kind of way bringing me harm? Yea,

746
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: And they said they were like, oh, you know, it's

747
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: likely probably that some curse came upon you and that's

748
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: really all you're dealing with here. Jack. Now, it's probably

749
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: not Jack. It's probably some curse you've got to deal with.

750
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: So she's like, okay, you know what, maybe I judge

751
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: Jack too harshly. She goes back to him, She's like, hey,

752
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: we need to talk um. You know, we've we've been

753
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: at odds over this Toby thing, and I've I've been

754
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: kind of wondering some stuff about you, But I feel

755
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: good about it now. You know what, Let's smooth this out.

756
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: There's a curse screwing with us, and our love is

757
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: stronger than that. No curse is going to screw things

758
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: up here. And they kind of debated a little bit,

759
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: they got back on track, started to feel like their

760
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: relationship was improving again, and then miraculously, Toby's pop print

761
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: and hair clippings reappeared. Now, some might say that she

762
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: misplaced these items and then later found them, but that's cynical.

763
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: We've we may consider that Jack did in fact take them,

764
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: and after there was no you know, conflict between them anymore,

765
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: he decided to bring them back. You know, you decide.

766
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: It seems weird though, for him to take it while

767
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: they were already in conflict and then bring him back

768
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: when they were out of conflict, to make it even weirder. No,

769
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: because he's mad at her and he wants to hurt her.

770
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: So he just took something that was that he knew

771
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: would upset her and he kept it, you know, like,

772
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna destroy it. I'm just like, I just

773
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: want you to to sting for a while and then

774
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: they felt better. He was probably like a hot cheese.

775
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that, all right, And I'm just

776
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: gonna slid it back in here. It's gonna be like

777
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: it was never gone, you know. Okay, classic classic dick move,

778
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah for real? Or you know, she I forgot where

779
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: she put him and then she got him. It's up

780
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 1: to you, you decide. Um, Okay, But before we get

781
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: into the rest of the story. Um, let's take a

782
00:49:47,960 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: quick break and we're back with the chilling conclus illusion

783
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: of Amanda Large Tigue and her husband, the spirit pirate

784
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: Captain Jack Tigue. In June of her illness is worsened

785
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: more open sores on her skin. Eventually she was in

786
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: the hospital with sepsis and they needed to perform emergency

787
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: surgery as a matter of life and death. Now, the

788
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: surgery was successful and it was uneventful, but she says

789
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: it was really painful and she was left traumatized. She

790
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with postoperative PTSD and she had anxiety attacks

791
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: and overwhelming feelings like death was right behind her at

792
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: any time. Yeah, this surgery, she was like really scared

793
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: to go in um and go under. She kind of

794
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: felt sort of spiritually vulnerable to not be in control

795
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: every faculties, especially uh in that she was feeling pretty

796
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: haunted at this point. So she was really nervous about

797
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Um being sedated, and she asked if she could do

798
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: it without anesthesia and they were like, no, this is

799
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: a very invasive. I kind of left some of the

800
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: medical aspects out of what was going on with her

801
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: at this point, but it was very personal and kind

802
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: of gross. UM. So uh, she had to do the

803
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: surgery and again it was fine, but yeah, she was

804
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: she was. She said, it was very painful. It sounds horrible.

805
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: Soon after discussion with others in her community, it became

806
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: clear Jack was sucking her light away. Her last abscesses

807
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: had started right after her last spiritually intimate encounter with Jack,

808
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: just as they had began immediately after their wedding, And

809
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: when she went back and looked at her medical notes,

810
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: they all seemed to be timed with their intimate encounters,

811
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: and when they took breaks, her illness cleared up. So

812
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: she is still questioned in the reality of all this

813
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: and everything, but the patterns were like kind of too

814
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: clear for her to ignore. The illness continued the more

815
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: time she spent with Jack, and she formed a fistula

816
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: that became a chronic issue, and they told her that

817
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: she would probably need this very invasive surgery another one

818
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: and the outcomes were very um sketchy, like there was

819
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: there was a high risk procedure that could leave her

820
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: with a lifetime of incontinence, possibly severe pain the rest

821
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: of her life, maybe even the inability to walk nikes.

822
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: She was on antibiotics indefinitely and were just like, just

823
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: keep taking these because it's not good. She had to

824
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: keep getting this thing drained. Eventually she had to do

825
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: it herself. Psoriasis broke out on her hands. She was

826
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: having trouble sleeping and walking and using the bathroom without

827
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: an incredible amount of pain. What she didn't know at

828
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: this point was if Jack knew what he was doing

829
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: to her. She wasn't sure if she could maintain this

830
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: relationship with them without the consequences. She certainly considered, like, hey,

831
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: we can make this work. Maybe if I sort of

832
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: explained to him what's happening, like he can sort of

833
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: find a way to back off and we can still

834
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: be together. But she had a friend in Germany who

835
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: was also in a relationship with a spirit, but her

836
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: spirit was a deity much more powerful being. The friend

837
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: asked her deity to help Amanda, and the deity came

838
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: to her in an astral dream and he showed her

839
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: Jack pulling Amanda's life force from her, draining her, using

840
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: her energy to keep himself bound to the earth. And

841
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: worst of all, he was hanging his head low in

842
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: guilt and shame because he knew what he was doing

843
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: and what it was doing to her. And Amanda confronted Jack,

844
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: but then she saw a more hostile and aggressive side

845
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: of him like he had never seen before. He refused

846
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: to leave, saying she had promised herself to him and

847
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: that he would kill her before he allowed her to

848
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: abandon him. That is just again classic abuser. Anyone who's

849
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: been in a toxic relationship can probably fill in this

850
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: entire conversation. Um, it's all the same type of tropes

851
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: and how fucked up to be Like I found a

852
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: spiritual husband's still an abusive asshole. You can't even punch

853
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: me and you're still hurt me. It's like it weirdly

854
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: gives the story a lot of credence to me that

855
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, if this was just like a hunky dorry,

856
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: I got married to a spirit and we're all happy

857
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: the rest of my life and may be like, okay,

858
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: sure you are, have fun. I'm not going to interfere.

859
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: But these stories, I'm like, this is how a person

860
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: would act, you know, an abusive like leech of a person. Uh,

861
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: this totally tracks. Makes the story way more believable to me.

862
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: Very true. Fortunately, though, Amanda stood her ground and she

863
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: told Jack that he would not win and it was

864
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: time for the big guns. You know. She couldn't just

865
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: handle this by herself. So Amanda went back to her

866
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: spirit guides and deities, and she knew she had to

867
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: apologize for having ignored the warning signs they sent her

868
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: about Jack a little crow. She wasn't even sure if

869
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: they would help her. The one earthly friend of hers,

870
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: who had warned her explicitly about this pirate, was more

871
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: than willing to help her now. Fortunately, so in December eighteen,

872
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: they scheduled a soul extraction to be performed by three shamans.

873
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: This is a very delicate process and she needed to

874
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: be certain that Jack was gone. She didn't know what

875
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: this would do to Jack or where it would send him,

876
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: but she knew he had to go, and at this

877
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: point she didn't really care because all she felt for

878
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: him was hatred at this point. So they get together

879
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: and they begin this ritual, and I imagine they're candles everywhere,

880
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: you know, old Oh yeah, that's sure, sure, a big

881
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: old tomb of sorts, uh and and a wind picks

882
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: up from nowhere in the Shamans are all standing in

883
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: a three points of a star. Shaman's call out, Jack,

884
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: we called to you, You're I'm here, And Amanda could

885
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: feel his presence in the room. Your skin started to

886
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: crawl and and Jack looked to her and he said,

887
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm so sorry for what I've been

888
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: doing to the Amanda. I just I can't. I don't

889
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: feel good about it. It's just all I could do.

890
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: I just you know, you know, I've been through out myself,

891
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, so honestly, maybe maybe I mode an apology,

892
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, like Stamons are like, don't look at her,

893
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: look at me. You gotta go, Jack, you gotta go.

894
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: And so Jack comes around, He's like, okay, okay, yes,

895
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: I sucked the thought you so I could survive. But

896
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: isn't that kind of what you're doing to me? Now? No, no, no, Jack,

897
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: Now you're not going to pull that one on us.

898
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: That is such classic abusive boyfriend bullshit again. You know,

899
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: just uh oh, I'm abusing you. Well, maybe you're abusing

900
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: me by calling me an abuser. Now you're making me

901
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: feel bad about making you feel bad. Such a classic

902
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: gas lighting. He's swirling around the room and Amanda began

903
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: to feel her hatred kind of turned to sympathy. Jack

904
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: had been acting out of fear for losing his identity,

905
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: and he had been doing so for three hundred years.

906
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: The Shamans called forth a deity Hella to move Jack on.

907
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: Can can some Shamans call Hella for me? Please? She

908
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: looks like Blanche. Yes, I saw Ragnarok and I definitely

909
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: want Hella to be summoned to me. Called forth Hella,

910
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: please and thank you. I'll take it. Hey if she

911
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: throws a you know, six ft spear straight through my face,

912
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: but it was Hella who didn't. It's Hella. Good to me.

913
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: But Hella revealed to Amanda that she and Jack actually

914
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: had been soulmates and had Jack reincarnated when he died,

915
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: rather than staying in the spirit world, they would have

916
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: been together in life. Oh man, that's that's heartbreak. Yeah.

917
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: But since he did not, this was the only way

918
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: that they were able to find each other. M hm.

919
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: So Jack eventually said, Okay, I'll go, but I ask

920
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: you to forgive me, and instead of annulling the marriage,

921
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: please consider yourself widowed and try to remember the good times.

922
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: You know, all the all the ghostly porking we did,

923
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: the best sex of your life. Yeah, even though it

924
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: gave you painful abscesses. Has to remember that time that

925
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: I railed ye. Amanda agreed to remember all the times

926
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: that he railed her. No, she agreed to consider herself widowed.

927
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: And she felt the spiritual energy of a kiss on

928
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: her cheek, and Jack asked permission to channel himself into

929
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: one of the shamans so that he could hug her

930
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: one last time. And even though she wanted him gone,

931
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: it was painful to let go again. Probably anyone who's

932
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: been in a toxic relationship can speak to that as well.

933
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: But finally the embrace ended and Amanda felt like something

934
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: was being physically pulled out of her body and she collapsed.

935
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: The ritual was over. Jack was gone. Within days, her

936
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: body started to recover. The psoriasis cleared up, her fistulas

937
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: stopped giving her issues entirely. Her doctors were amazed that

938
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: she healed as well as she did without a serious

939
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: invasive surgical procedure. That is incredible. That's amazing. I mean,

940
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: like you said, lend some credence that her health problem

941
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: started right around the time she's marrying this spirit and

942
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: then they're over action. I mean, like that's I don't know.

943
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: And now she focuses on her own happiness. She decided

944
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: never to do mediumship or spirit work again. She almost

945
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: abandoned the life completely, but her patron god is Heckade

946
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: guided her to maintain her relationships with her spiritual team

947
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: and told her that she would be guided on where

948
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: to go when the time came. And now she wants

949
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: to encourage others not to make the same mistakes that

950
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: she did, and to help educate people about the potential

951
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: dangers of spiritual relationships. She says it's not her goal

952
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: to encourage people to break from their partners, but just

953
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: to make them aware of what may happen. You never

954
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: know if that's really Johnny Depp's ghost or if this

955
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: guy is sucking the life out of you, I'm going

956
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: to put you in the hospital. She says self love

957
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: and preservation is not selfish, it's necessary. And she says

958
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: that energy attracts like energy. She was in a bad

959
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: place at the time and she brought something bad to her.

960
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: But now she says, I have fallen in love finally

961
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: with the right person, and it's me and it's the

962
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: greatest love of all. She dedicates herself now to animal rescue.

963
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: Get throwback to Toby, and she sees all living beings

964
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: as having a soul and an identity, and proceeds of

965
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: her book A New Attitude. Go to Dogs Aid and

966
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: Lucy's Trust, which are animal rescue groups in Ireland. That's cool. Yeah,

967
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: go check out the book. I mean I picked it

968
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: up my self and uh, it's on it's on kindall

969
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: there's a few bucks and goes to help dogs and

970
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a wild read. There's a lot more

971
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: in there. Obviously this is a condensed version of that story,

972
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: but she talks a lot about, you know, her personal

973
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: life and all the time that she spent with Jack,

974
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: both good and bad. That's a lot more fleshed out,

975
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's certainly a fascinating read. And I'll

976
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: tell you what. There's you know, there's two sides of

977
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: me and they have totally different opinions about this. And

978
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: that's okay because I'm like, you know, she's not hurting anybody.

979
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: This is how. There's a professor named T. M. Lerman

980
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: who's uh psychological anthropologist at Stanford University. She studies modern

981
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: day witches and like charismatic Christians and these sort of

982
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: religions that kind of suck people in and how trauma

983
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: kind of plays into that, I think. And she says

984
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: that the trauma of Amanda losing her son may have

985
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: caused her to go into a dissociative trance like state

986
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: that could sort of create dreamlike experiences. And so instead

987
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: of becoming memories, right, these experiences someone has while in

988
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: a trance can actually remain alive and sort of stay

989
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: with you, so the person kind of keeps going back

990
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: to them. It's not like, oh, I was in this

991
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: trance and I experienced this thing. It's a perpetual experience

992
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: that continues to go on, so it might manifest itself.

993
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: Is sort of like a relationship you're having or a

994
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: person you've been speaking to regularly. Um, So you know,

995
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 1: I kind of call her professor party pooper because sort

996
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: of takes the fun out of it. But I'm like, hell,

997
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: if that's what she's doing, if she's manifesting this reality

998
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: to help cope with that trauma, then great. I mean,

999
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, as she's dealing with it in her own

1000
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: way and what's not doing right And she didn't hurt

1001
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: anybody in the meantime, right, And I'm not going to

1002
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: come in and interrupt her dealing with that by saying, Hey,

1003
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: this isn't real. You're making this all up. This is

1004
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: a fantasy. Like that's just disruptive and you know, harmful.

1005
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: And then yeah, if it helps you to have a

1006
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: soul extraction to get something you know, funked up out

1007
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: of you, then do it. I mean, it's it kind

1008
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: of reminds me of like people after a breakup or something,

1009
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: or or even just in a transitional period of their

1010
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: life or whatever, they'll write things and then burn Yeah, sure,

1011
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: like that whatever they want to let go of and

1012
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: then burn the paper. But it's a very similar thing

1013
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: that nothing really happens there that you can see that

1014
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people when they do it, they really

1015
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: do feel like I've let something go it. I feel lighter,

1016
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I really have done something. Can we

1017
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: argue with that? I mean, you know, not really. It's

1018
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: just like any psychology work where you're like, I've been

1019
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 1: doing therapy for a while and now I feel better.

1020
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: You can't see it, but like, does it make it

1021
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: any less true? Look at the breakdown here. She lost

1022
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: her three month old son, and she starts questioning life

1023
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: and death obviously, and then she finds a spirit who

1024
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: is still here that she can commune with and have

1025
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: a relationship with. Like that very much sounds like a

1026
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: coping mechanism that that works. And then she starts to

1027
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: have she goes through a traumatic health crisis, and what

1028
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: does she have with her that is able to absorb

1029
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: that blame that she's able to point to and say,

1030
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: this isn't just a random thing in a chaotic universe.

1031
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: This is a negative entity that is causing this to

1032
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: happen to me. That makes so much more sense. That's

1033
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: easier to deal with than it's just the way things are.

1034
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: It just random. And then when her brain is sort

1035
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: of one with that, and it's like, we feel better. Uh,

1036
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: we're healing, and we've we've dealt with the trauma of loss.

1037
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: Now we can get rid of this thing. And so

1038
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: it creates the story of I'm blaming on him and

1039
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: we're going to exercise this spirit and now it's gone

1040
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,479
Speaker 1: for good. And her brain never tells her, by the way,

1041
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: I made this all up for you. Her brain just says, like,

1042
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: I found an escape. Now we're out. Now we can

1043
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: move past it. We'll keep spirituality in a little box

1044
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: here in case we need it again, but let's just

1045
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: go out and live a happier, healthier life now. And like,

1046
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: who can argue with that. Great good for your brain

1047
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: for being your therapist in a way, you know, like

1048
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: that your brain created what it needed to to get

1049
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: you through that ship, and then it got past it

1050
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: and no one was harmed in the process. You came

1051
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: out on the other side stronger and happier. That's awesome.

1052
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: Or she married a spirit or or it all just happened.

1053
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Speaker 1: I mean. And it's like, if it sounds crazy that

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Speaker 1: your brain would make up such an elaborate scenario, you know,

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Speaker 1: the brain is weird, man. If it can make you

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Speaker 1: forget whole traumatic events in your life so that you

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01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: can wake up every day and keep going going. Um,

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01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: why not? Why couldn't it make up an illusion for

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01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: you to to find some comfort in or some kind

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Speaker 1: of explanation for things that you can't deal with? And

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01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: why do people outside of that? I feel like they

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: need to interrupt it and bring it back to reality,

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01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: Like uh uh no, no, what you're doing isn't real.

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01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: I need to get in there and change it to

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01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: match my reality, right, Like, no, just let it be right? Well, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: just because you said that right after my repressed memories thing,

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: I think there are definitely you have to get in there.

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01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes they can do you harm without you realizing it.

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01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: You're not remembering, but you have certain survival instincts that

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01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: pop up and keeping you from things because of that

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01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 1: repressed memory, and you just don't know why they're there.

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: So just to say, that's a great time to dig

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01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: in and let me figure this out. But yeah, but yeah,

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: if someone's like, I'm marrying a ghost and then I

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01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: divorced the ghost to help me really work through some ship,

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: then I don't care I work through you ship. I mean,

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01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: therapy is important and invaluable and uh necessary for many people.

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01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: You can always just imagine a ghost to get yourself

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: through some trauma. I wish my brain would imagine me

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: a ghost, all right, ship, but it will not do it.

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01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: It's just like that. Ain't that ain't a thing? Girl? Sorry,

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: you need the trade therapist, you need a science thing.

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I'll say too that she when asked, you know,

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: she's aware people call her crazy or a publicity horror.

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01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: She said something. She hears a lot. She's just doing

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01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: this for the attention, blah blah blah, but mostly like

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01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: you're a cook, you know, this never happened. And she says, Look,

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01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: people every day speak to God. They pray or they eve,

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01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: uh you know, in horoscopes, or they get their tarot

1090
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: cards read, or their fortunes told. They go to church,

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01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: they they they sit and have conversations with God in

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: their minds and then their hearts. How is that any different?

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01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: You know? Uh, It's it's all just energy. And she says,

1094
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: it's just an energy transfer. And this is how it

1095
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: is for me, and it might be different for you.

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: But I'm not out here telling you that your thing

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: is false and you're crazy for thinking it. Um, she's

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01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: just kind of shocked that people can't sort of translate

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01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: that information to different areas well. Band, I hope this

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01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: story gave you a fright. I know it was a

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01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: good one. I liked it. It challenged me, challenge it was.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very inclined to laugh at somebody like

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01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: Amanda f Tique, So I'm glad that we went in

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01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: and and looked at it with an open mind. Definitely,

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01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, she's not she's making me

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: a believer. I'm personally I'm glad to hear that from you,

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01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: because I was definitely like reading this story and I mean,

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm not it's really a spiritual person. Uh, I'm not

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01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: really a ghost believer. But I also was reading this

1110
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: story like, I can't laugh at this. You know, I'm

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01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm very firm in my beliefs, but I also am

1112
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: completely aware that all the time, people are very firm

1113
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: in their beliefs that end up being completely wrong. I mean,

1114
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: we were firm in beliefs of all kinds of nonsense

1115
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: for thousands of years. Um, So that you know I can,

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01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: I can very strongly stand up for what I believe

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: in and also say, but you know, at the end

1118
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: of the day, who knows. Um. So I really liked

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01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: coming at this story is just very open mind and um,

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01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's easy to laugh at, but I think

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: it's more fun to not. I had a better time

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: accepting it. Yeah, But like you say, the world's more

1123
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: fun and it's more interesting if you can say, Okay, sure,

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01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: let me go with you on this and see where

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01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: it leads, um before I judge it. If it leads

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01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: somewhere funked up, then I'll judge it all day. But um,

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Speaker 1: but just because I have never had an experience with

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Speaker 1: a ghost, UM, doesn't mean I disbelieve everybody who I

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01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: know who has had an experience of with some kind

1130
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: of haunting or some kind of unexplained phenomenon or whatever,

1131
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: because that would be, I mean, kind of egotistical of

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01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: me to be like, well, how whatever I can see

1133
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: is real and whatever you can see is maybe not real.

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01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: I had to tell me first and let me decide.

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01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: Like like we said about mediums, I think people are

1136
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: also kind of in tune to different frequencies sometimes, and

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01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm not in that I'm not in tune with that frequency.

1138
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: But somebody else might be and I can only take

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01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: them at their word. Well, I hope you took us

1140
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: at our word and uh and please tell us your thoughts. Uh.

1141
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: This is these kinds of stories are what are what

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: Spooky October is all about. So we've got a few

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Speaker 1: more coming up for you. Thanks for tuning in, and

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,519
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Speaker 1: hear from you guls and goblins very soon. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: on other recryptulous romance. Yeah, it's time to leave, but

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