1
00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:09,200
Speaker 1: Quody dogs with Joseph's gotten more. Since my kids were little.

2
00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:17,560
Speaker 1: My wife has been insistent upon camping, and I could,

3
00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, regal you with all manner of stories about

4
00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:30,240
Speaker 1: our camping trips, and generally they involve rain. I've never

5
00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,839
Speaker 1: been one for tent camping. I'm an old soldier, so

6
00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,000
Speaker 1: I had to bivohac and that sort of thing over

7
00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,159
Speaker 1: the years, and it was more of a necessary evil

8
00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,879
Speaker 1: for me. Now I don't mind going renting a cabin

9
00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,440
Speaker 1: in an isolated area, you know. I don't even mind

10
00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,600
Speaker 1: necessarily going out in a camper perhaps tent camping though

11
00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,480
Speaker 1: it's just work. It's so much work. Some people live

12
00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,520
Speaker 1: for it. Not my thing. But today we're going to

13
00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:08,480
Speaker 1: talk about someone, a couple that did apparently enjoy camping

14
00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,959
Speaker 1: with a camper. And it's not like a regular camper

15
00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:19,560
Speaker 1: that you would go to some large, you know, sales

16
00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,400
Speaker 1: lot to purchase. This is a camper that was customized.

17
00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,679
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the camper looks much like

18
00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,000
Speaker 1: the transportation buses that we have on campus, kind of

19
00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,840
Speaker 1: short going from a stop to stop along the circle

20
00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,360
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State dropping off students. But they had converted

21
00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:53,200
Speaker 1: it into an actual camper, sleeping area, kitchen, bathroom, with

22
00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,360
Speaker 1: all of the appointments that you would expect for comfort

23
00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,560
Speaker 1: on the road. The only problem is is that the

24
00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,000
Speaker 1: trip that they were taking would end up with one

25
00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:13,880
Speaker 1: of them dead and dismembered. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and

26
00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:23,320
Speaker 1: this is Bodybags. Dave Mac. Have you ever had your

27
00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,239
Speaker 1: kids come to you and say, Dad, I want to

28
00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,079
Speaker 1: go tent camping. I want to go ten camping. I

29
00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,720
Speaker 1: want to I want to lay on the dirt and

30
00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,600
Speaker 1: we're going to cook out by the fire and we're

31
00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,480
Speaker 1: going to sing songs. And they never they never bought

32
00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,200
Speaker 1: into it at all.

33
00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,280
Speaker 2: July fourth, nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, really, and it was

34
00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,880
Speaker 2: Hannah was still a baby. Yeah, but Ladanna's father had

35
00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,520
Speaker 2: just passed away on May fifth of ninety eight, and

36
00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,480
Speaker 2: so we decide, you guys want to go camping. We're

37
00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,760
Speaker 2: going to go camping. And we were tent camping. Okay,

38
00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,000
Speaker 2: we had the big tent. We went out there, did

39
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,480
Speaker 2: the fishing and everything else, and had it fire. And

40
00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,600
Speaker 2: it's about nine o'clock at night. And the area we

41
00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,520
Speaker 2: were camping in it was not rural, it was not

42
00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,800
Speaker 2: rough in camp it was the campsites and things, but

43
00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,919
Speaker 2: also it did have a communal air in area where

44
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,560
Speaker 2: you could go and bathe. You know, it was a

45
00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,080
Speaker 2: walking distance where our tent was pitched, and so I

46
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,600
Speaker 2: went up there to do that because I was filthy

47
00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,480
Speaker 2: from setting up the tin. Because all my kids were

48
00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,480
Speaker 2: young then, you know. Oh yeah, four kids and one

49
00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,200
Speaker 2: that was only six months old. Okay, And so here

50
00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,360
Speaker 2: we are, Daddy, Dave and I came back from the shower,

51
00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,000
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I feel like a new man. My

52
00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,400
Speaker 2: whole family out here in the woods. How cool is this?

53
00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,040
Speaker 2: And I get there and I see the kids running

54
00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,160
Speaker 2: from the van. We had my truck and we have

55
00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,840
Speaker 2: my wife's minivan. I see them running from the tent

56
00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,840
Speaker 2: to the van. I won the world. And I get there.

57
00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,760
Speaker 2: I said, it's nine o'clock at night. Gotta love Alabama summer.

58
00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,560
Speaker 2: And I said, what is wrong with you guys? Why

59
00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,320
Speaker 2: are you? I look inside and Loadonna's got the baby,

60
00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,920
Speaker 2: and the air's running. The van is on, windows are repping,

61
00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,400
Speaker 2: the air's running, and like it's too hot in that

62
00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,040
Speaker 2: ten Dad is just too hot. I'm like, no way,

63
00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,840
Speaker 2: this is ridiculous. Come on, I'm not kidding. So I

64
00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,360
Speaker 2: opened the flap. I said, well, you got to make

65
00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,040
Speaker 2: sure those flaps are open, and the wind, you know.

66
00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,840
Speaker 2: I get in there and I'm not kidding. It was

67
00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,400
Speaker 2: an oven. It was so bad. I poked my head

68
00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,800
Speaker 2: in there and went we're out. We went home. I'm

69
00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,880
Speaker 2: not kidding. We drove home and we're filthy and sweaty

70
00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,719
Speaker 2: because the kids that it was just it was crazy.

71
00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,720
Speaker 2: And the thing is on the way home because the

72
00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,880
Speaker 2: holiday weekend, we get stocked pulling off the highway to

73
00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,520
Speaker 2: come towards our home. They've got one of these police

74
00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,200
Speaker 2: identification stops on the UI checkpoint, and so I pull

75
00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,159
Speaker 2: up there, my kids are We all look like we'd

76
00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,720
Speaker 2: have been, you know, because I loaded them up. I

77
00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,600
Speaker 2: mean I had just walked out of the shower from there.

78
00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,160
Speaker 2: I like, get in the van, let's go. I left

79
00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,680
Speaker 2: my truck and everything's sitting up there. We're riding now.

80
00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,120
Speaker 2: I mean, we looked like we had been. Oh, it

81
00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,680
Speaker 2: was bad. It was so bad.

82
00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never know what's going to happen on one

83
00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,160
Speaker 1: of these trips because many times the environment does, in fact,

84
00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,120
Speaker 1: yeah dictate you know the behaviors of everybody there. If

85
00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,960
Speaker 1: you're not all on the same sheet of music. It

86
00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,559
Speaker 1: can be the worst experience in your life. But then again,

87
00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,960
Speaker 1: you can have those moments that flash in and it's

88
00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,960
Speaker 1: pure joy. There you go and you know we've.

89
00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,560
Speaker 2: Taken it on wheels. That the end of the day

90
00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,839
Speaker 2: another story. But at least I didn't get mad shoot

91
00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,479
Speaker 2: him in the head and cut him up, you know.

92
00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding.

93
00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,840
Speaker 2: And the craziest thing I've ever heard of. Joe. Yeah,

94
00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,080
Speaker 2: it is anniversary. This is anniversary camping, Joe, this is

95
00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,840
Speaker 2: this is anniversary camping. They've been married one year.

96
00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think that this would be uh, embroidered

97
00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,320
Speaker 1: with joy upon every step along the way, but this,

98
00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,680
Speaker 1: this really did turn into an absolute nightmare with this

99
00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,760
Speaker 1: young couple that again celebrating a one year anniversary and

100
00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,039
Speaker 1: arguably Dave. They live in a region of the country

101
00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,720
Speaker 1: that I have always wanted to visit, and that is

102
00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,680
Speaker 1: Upper New England. Uh, I've never had a chance of

103
00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,640
Speaker 1: being to Boston. Many times. I love Boston, one of

104
00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,120
Speaker 1: the few big cities in America I would actually say

105
00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,840
Speaker 1: that about but I've never gotten up to see the

106
00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,840
Speaker 1: beauty that is, you know, up toward the Canadian border.

107
00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,000
Speaker 1: In either Vermont or New Hampshire, and in this particular case,

108
00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,440
Speaker 1: they're from Vermont, I believe, if that's if that's accurate,

109
00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,320
Speaker 1: and they were heading out on the road to celebrate,

110
00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,680
Speaker 1: and there's so much around you it. You know. I

111
00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,280
Speaker 1: was talking to Kim that we were going to cover

112
00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,359
Speaker 1: this case and she said, wow, this sounds like Gabby

113
00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,000
Speaker 1: Patito and I was like, kind of, But it wasn't

114
00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,480
Speaker 1: like a cross country trip. This is an area that

115
00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,120
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, they're domiciled in. It's not like

116
00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,520
Speaker 1: they're they're they've set out on the road, you know,

117
00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,080
Speaker 1: on the road with Charles Carral remember, uh, They're they're

118
00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,640
Speaker 1: not out on the road to discover America. This is

119
00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of their home country, you know, the area up there,

120
00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,279
Speaker 1: and I've always heard about how beautiful it is, but

121
00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,360
Speaker 1: to visit such horror and truly, Dave, I guess, out

122
00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,280
Speaker 1: of all the cases we've covered this past month, this

123
00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,600
Speaker 1: might be one of the most horrific because I couldn't

124
00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't fathom what had taken place in this converted van.

125
00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,480
Speaker 1: And it's a converted bus. Actually, to be more accurate,

126
00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,520
Speaker 1: it's a converted bus and I'm.

127
00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,040
Speaker 2: Thinking pictures I've seen look pretty good.

128
00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,760
Speaker 1: They do look good, and it looks like it's squared away.

129
00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,880
Speaker 1: But Dave, can you kind of fill into blanks relative

130
00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,160
Speaker 1: to some of the information about the couple, because that's

131
00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,080
Speaker 1: one of the things that's the age I think plays

132
00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,800
Speaker 1: into this. For me, I'm hearing about the age, and

133
00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,360
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of thinking, are we coming from two

134
00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,000
Speaker 1: different worlds here or what's going on? I'm trying to

135
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:51,560
Speaker 1: figure this out.

136
00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,600
Speaker 2: Okay, first things first, you know what, there is an

137
00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,760
Speaker 2: age gap here for a lot. Joseph for Loozzo is

138
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,960
Speaker 2: forty one at the time, his wife twenty two, so

139
00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,600
Speaker 2: she's half his age. That's part one. The problem with it, though,

140
00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,240
Speaker 2: isn't so much the age difference as it is the

141
00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,600
Speaker 2: domestic violence issues that existed in their couplehood. Okay, I'm

142
00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,640
Speaker 2: not going to say that it began the minute they

143
00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,720
Speaker 2: got married. I'm not going to say that at all,

144
00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,360
Speaker 2: because it doesn't happen like that. If you we tend

145
00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,080
Speaker 2: to give a bit of a disclaimer because this does

146
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,200
Speaker 2: deal with domestic violence, and there is just a domestic

147
00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,319
Speaker 2: violence hotline that we will give to you at the

148
00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,520
Speaker 2: end of the show. But This was something that those

149
00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,120
Speaker 2: close to the relationship could see coming. They knew that

150
00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,440
Speaker 2: this couple fought a lot. You know, she seems like

151
00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,400
Speaker 2: a wonderful person. Just everybody loves her. Her dream was

152
00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,400
Speaker 2: to become a cosmetologist, to make people feel good about themselves.

153
00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,680
Speaker 2: It was something she had dealt with in her life

154
00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,360
Speaker 2: where she didn't always feel the best about herself. And

155
00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,520
Speaker 2: here comes Joseph Forlozzo, and I think he played upon

156
00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,000
Speaker 2: that he was able to wrangle her any You know

157
00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,960
Speaker 2: a lot of domestic violence men who commit domestic violence,

158
00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,440
Speaker 2: they control every situation and gaslight their partner to the

159
00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,920
Speaker 2: point where the other person thinks they're always wrong. Whatever

160
00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,920
Speaker 2: they've done is wrong, and they deserve whatever bad comes

161
00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,240
Speaker 2: their way. And in this particular case, they've been married

162
00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,720
Speaker 2: for one year and they go on their camping thing.

163
00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,959
Speaker 2: But Joseph Farlozzo comes home and her parents say, well, well,

164
00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,000
Speaker 2: what's up with Emily? Where's Emily? You know, you guys

165
00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,160
Speaker 2: went on a camping trip to celebrate your one year

166
00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,640
Speaker 2: anniversary of being married, and you come home without her?

167
00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,880
Speaker 2: What happened? He tells his mother in law, or is

168
00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,199
Speaker 2: Emily's stepmother, and her name is Prudy Schwartz because I

169
00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,840
Speaker 2: wanted to share this with you. Prudy Schwartz says he

170
00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,960
Speaker 2: came in and just said that they got into an

171
00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,480
Speaker 2: argument and she ran off. So you're out camping your wife,

172
00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,760
Speaker 2: you get into an argument so bad with your wife

173
00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,040
Speaker 2: that she just takes off away and you come home

174
00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:07,240
Speaker 2: without her. That's what he actually came home with by himself.

175
00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,000
Speaker 2: She ran off, deaf for an argument. Who thinks that's

176
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:10,520
Speaker 2: going to work?

177
00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea. And let me say something in

178
00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,960
Speaker 1: addition to this, she may have had a low self image,

179
00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:26,400
Speaker 1: but she's a lovely young woman. Ye absolutely beautiful, and

180
00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,319
Speaker 1: a smile, you know, one of these thousand watt smiles.

181
00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,880
Speaker 1: It looks like and I think that you're right about.

182
00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,559
Speaker 2: He looks horrible. He looks like somebody they should have

183
00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,000
Speaker 2: married a blind person, you know.

184
00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, or someone that lives under a bridge and eats

185
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:48,240
Speaker 1: billy goats. He's horrible, and he probably he probably is

186
00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,240
Speaker 1: an individual that perhaps, as you had mentioned, gas lighting,

187
00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,520
Speaker 1: she's revealed this to him about herself. And I can

188
00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,720
Speaker 1: just of the conversation. Well, I'm the best you'll ever get.

189
00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,120
Speaker 1: You better be counting your lucky stars. And I think

190
00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,480
Speaker 1: that a lot of these people that perpetrate, you know,

191
00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:16,000
Speaker 1: domestic violence on their partners like this, they have that

192
00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,280
Speaker 1: ability and they can diminish people, that can demean people.

193
00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,679
Speaker 1: There are folks right now that are within the sound

194
00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,720
Speaker 1: of my voice that are either going through that right

195
00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,600
Speaker 1: now or perhaps have encountered that in the past, where

196
00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,760
Speaker 1: you're you feel completely diminished and worthless, and then you

197
00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,400
Speaker 1: have an ogre like this that enters your life, you know,

198
00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,240
Speaker 1: and just further exacerbates these you know, these images, these

199
00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,840
Speaker 1: self image issues that you have. And you know, he

200
00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,360
Speaker 1: he's certainly the ugly one in this case, ugly for

201
00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,120
Speaker 1: a number of reasons, not just physical appearance, but what

202
00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:57,120
Speaker 1: he wants up perpetrating, Dave. The thought is, and here's

203
00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,200
Speaker 1: another thing, kind of going back to camping, if you

204
00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,760
Speaker 1: want to control somebody, you get them in a camper.

205
00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,920
Speaker 1: If you have sinister plans that you're looking to perpetrate,

206
00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,840
Speaker 1: get them in a camper. Maybe it's something you've worked

207
00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,920
Speaker 1: hard on. You're a control freak, you're a gas lighter.

208
00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,160
Speaker 1: No one's going to hear anything. You're there. It's not

209
00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,040
Speaker 1: like you're on a plane flying somewhere. It's not like

210
00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,560
Speaker 1: you're going to some fancy resort to celebrate your first anniversary. No,

211
00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,559
Speaker 1: you've planned this because in this I believe, as will reveal,

212
00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,280
Speaker 1: there is planning that goes in to this horrific crime.

213
00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,760
Speaker 1: He has the ability to control her movements where they're

214
00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,400
Speaker 1: destined to and I think probably in the end where

215
00:12:48,480 --> 00:13:05,680
Speaker 1: he would take her life. You know, I know that

216
00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:14,240
Speaker 1: there are outward signs I think probably through behavior perhaps

217
00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:20,360
Speaker 1: of people that have been abused and mistreated in their behaviors.

218
00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, they don't do well with large groups of people.

219
00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,200
Speaker 1: If they're in the presence of their abuser, they will

220
00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,680
Speaker 1: put on a show or act for that person so

221
00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,600
Speaker 1: that they're behaving in a manner that they think is

222
00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,920
Speaker 1: acceptable to the person that's in control of them. But

223
00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,719
Speaker 1: then there are the other things, you know, they're in

224
00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:48,640
Speaker 1: this particular case, Dave, there is a record of domestic

225
00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,240
Speaker 1: abuse and from what I understand, Emily actually presented in

226
00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,080
Speaker 1: the past with injuries on her body. Is that accurate.

227
00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,320
Speaker 2: The family actually talked about this that when Joseph lots

228
00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,880
Speaker 2: so they go camping in Vermont, he returns home to

229
00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,160
Speaker 2: New Hampshire without his wife and tells the family that

230
00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,680
Speaker 2: she stormed off and that's why they called police. They

231
00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,360
Speaker 2: didn't find out right away either. I don't know if

232
00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,400
Speaker 2: I mentioned that. It was like forty eight hours before

233
00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,040
Speaker 2: he even told them that she started. You know, he's

234
00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,160
Speaker 2: been home two days and doesn't even bother to tell anybody.

235
00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,840
Speaker 2: When mom or stepmom starts checking up, he then says, yeah,

236
00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,440
Speaker 2: she stormed off, We got no fight, and she calls

237
00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,000
Speaker 2: the police.

238
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's one of the things. That's one of the

239
00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,760
Speaker 1: things that my wife had mentioned about this case, and

240
00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,480
Speaker 1: with similarity to the Potito case. You know, because of

241
00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,360
Speaker 1: this the dead air, if you will, you know, no

242
00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,880
Speaker 1: one knows what's going on, and isn't that Isn't that fascinating?

243
00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,280
Speaker 1: I often wonder you what, how does that actually happen?

244
00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,960
Speaker 1: I think actually it goes to this idea of they're

245
00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what they're going to do next, right,

246
00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,920
Speaker 1: and so they'll stammer and they'll stumble on their words

247
00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,120
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. But yeah, I mean, I

248
00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,280
Speaker 1: don't know that anybody could have anticipated the storm that

249
00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:02,720
Speaker 1: was coming.

250
00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,360
Speaker 2: But that's where Prudy Schwortz, the stepmom, says, who waits

251
00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,520
Speaker 2: two and a half days to even tell anybody their

252
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,480
Speaker 2: significant other is missing, even if you have to wait

253
00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,080
Speaker 2: forty eight hours to call the cop. You tell family something.

254
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,120
Speaker 2: And you know what, that actually was probably the most

255
00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,720
Speaker 2: honest thing I've ever heard anybody say. What she is

256
00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,760
Speaker 2: saying is, look, you killed somebody, all right, You at

257
00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,040
Speaker 2: least tell your family what's going on. You know, you

258
00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,400
Speaker 2: don't lie to everybody close to you while you figure

259
00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,520
Speaker 2: out what you're going to tell is your story. But

260
00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,880
Speaker 2: in this case, he doesn't tell anybody that she's gone. Okay,

261
00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,800
Speaker 2: if you believe his story, I mean, to believe his story,

262
00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,320
Speaker 2: one has to believe that they were camping for their

263
00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,000
Speaker 2: one year anniversary, having a romantic time, and for whatever reason,

264
00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,120
Speaker 2: they got into an argument. And even though you're still

265
00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,480
Speaker 2: in the honeymoon phase in your first year of marriage,

266
00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,680
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not, you married the wrong person.

267
00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,120
Speaker 2: And in this case, he comes home and doesn't tell

268
00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,120
Speaker 2: anybody that she left, that he doesn't know where she is.

269
00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,320
Speaker 2: It's the most ridiculous thing. But you know, he's probably

270
00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,720
Speaker 2: pulled off so many other lies in his life. And

271
00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,480
Speaker 2: the worst part is to find out that the family

272
00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,840
Speaker 2: you mentioned she presented the family mentioned that while police

273
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,440
Speaker 2: had been called, and by the way, police are oftentimes

274
00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,200
Speaker 2: called to loud arguments that are not physical. They haven't

275
00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,360
Speaker 2: turned physical yet. In this case, the family said they

276
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,840
Speaker 2: saw the cuts and bruises, they saw the marks, they

277
00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,400
Speaker 2: saw the things that they knew they believed were from

278
00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,160
Speaker 2: her husband. You know, first, it is so weird to

279
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,280
Speaker 2: have two different Lodonna things in the first in this show.

280
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,000
Speaker 2: When we first got married Laddanna had been a career

281
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,360
Speaker 2: person and had always you know, had a career, and

282
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,200
Speaker 2: so we decided to raise our children with her at home.

283
00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,760
Speaker 2: It's something she wanted to do back that's so weird,

284
00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,800
Speaker 2: single fan household. But she was so used to doing

285
00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,840
Speaker 2: things during the day that she would move furniture all

286
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,640
Speaker 2: day long, moving it from one point. I mean, I'd

287
00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,400
Speaker 2: come home and trip over something. It was like Dick

288
00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,400
Speaker 2: van Dyke in the Hassock because it was never in

289
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,280
Speaker 2: the same way two days in a row. But the

290
00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,359
Speaker 2: thing is she also bruised very easy. So we're at church,

291
00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,159
Speaker 2: been married about three months and the ladies group at

292
00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,879
Speaker 2: church pulled it on a side when we got to

293
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,880
Speaker 2: church one day and they sat her down and said,

294
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,760
Speaker 2: you're going to tell us what's going on? We see

295
00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,440
Speaker 2: the bruises. What is he doing to you? They were

296
00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,560
Speaker 2: not tolerating.

297
00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,280
Speaker 1: It, totally smokes.

298
00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like I didn't find this out

299
00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,439
Speaker 2: till after the church service, but yeah, I freaked out.

300
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, you know, stop moving furniture, you know.

301
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,600
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing is like, why don't people

302
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:31,960
Speaker 2: do that?

303
00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:32,720
Speaker 1: You know?

304
00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,119
Speaker 2: In our case, it was very innocent and explainable, and

305
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,679
Speaker 2: thank god, her mother was like, no, it's that's the

306
00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,560
Speaker 2: way she's always been. But if you care about somebody,

307
00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,879
Speaker 2: step in the gap. Somebody needed to be there for

308
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,560
Speaker 2: If you're going to tell me that after she's dead,

309
00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,280
Speaker 2: that you saw this coming and you did nothing.

310
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:56,520
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, we uh. We had a case recently.

311
00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,560
Speaker 1: I think we covered it last week where the grandparents

312
00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,119
Speaker 1: or the grand father had seen something, remember, and didn't

313
00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,720
Speaker 1: report it, and of course the child wound up deceased.

314
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm amazed by this, you know that, because look, you know,

315
00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,800
Speaker 1: it's one of these circumstances. You get one shot at

316
00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,919
Speaker 1: protecting somebody and you might not want to be embarrassed,

317
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,000
Speaker 1: but it would be better to be embarrassed and be

318
00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:32,120
Speaker 1: sure that nothing had happened as opposed to well, them

319
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,240
Speaker 1: going on a vacation and they're coming back, and so yeah,

320
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,560
Speaker 1: you think about the price that has to be paid,

321
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,399
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's a tough bit of business, you know,

322
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,600
Speaker 1: to even have this discussion. I think for many people

323
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,520
Speaker 1: there in the midst of these sorts of things. Here's

324
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,280
Speaker 1: another bit to this with for lots of story, which

325
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,400
Speaker 1: is so super bizarre. You know how I told you

326
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to go and visit Vermont in New Hampshire.

327
00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,760
Speaker 1: People out there that are listening, don't take this the

328
00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 1: wrong way. I don't want to be around people. I

329
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,679
Speaker 1: really don't. It's not that I dislike everybody that I

330
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 1: come across, but if I'm going to go and get away,

331
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: I want to get away and I don't want to

332
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,440
Speaker 1: be bothered. You know. I think ideally it would either

333
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,639
Speaker 1: be a small little shack on the beach or maybe

334
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 1: up in the north Woods quiet, you know, my dog there,

335
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 1: having a fire, reading a book, nice, getting a nice

336
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 1: bottle of wine.

337
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 2: Y'all have to understand the reason for that is because

338
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,159
Speaker 2: in your professional life, you're constantly on. You have to

339
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 2: always when you're doing an appearance on network television, doing

340
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 2: the podcast, doing the other shows that you do. And

341
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 2: by the way, being a professor at a college and

342
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 2: being a teaching professor, you've got to constantly be on

343
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 2: your game in front of other people and engaging, and

344
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 2: after giving so much of yourself for a while, you

345
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 2: do need that time to be alone and recharge your batteries.

346
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 2: So I understand it hundred percent. I've been around Joe

347
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 2: and his wife enough to know he loves people. But

348
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,360
Speaker 2: you got to get away too well.

349
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 1: I find I find that when I do finally get

350
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,959
Speaker 1: a bit of quiet, tom, I choose to sit in

351
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,479
Speaker 1: my chair and I go to sleep, and then I

352
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: forget it, so that i've we.

353
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: Would do that battle. One time I told Lodna I

354
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 2: would live in the bat cave. I really would like

355
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 2: to have a million I'd like to have a mile

356
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 2: long driveway that just drops off into the woods where

357
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 2: you don't even know where it went. And day the

358
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: next day when I show up at work, you know.

359
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder about this relative to for Lasso. He's

360
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 1: saying that this young woman who you know, by the way,

361
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 1: you know when it comes to marriage, and I view

362
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: myself and you know, I don't care if I offend

363
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: anybody by saying this, I view myself as my wife's protector.

364
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm a fierce protector of my wife. And so you're

365
00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: telling me that this young woman suddenly out of nowhere,

366
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 1: literally walks off into the wilderness. Inarguably not in the

367
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: entirety of America, but I would say probably east of

368
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River, one of the single most isolated areas.

369
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 1: And we're talking seriously rural east of the Mississippi River.

370
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: You're saying, just so that I get this straight, mister philosophy,

371
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 1: you're saying that she is up after an argument, decided

372
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: to wander off and leaving everything behind. I can't That's

373
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 1: hard to fathom from me. When if I'm sitting there

374
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: and I'm listening to this individual and I'm interviewing him

375
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: from an investigative standpoint, and he's telling me the story,

376
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: it just doesn't add up because either you know that

377
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: something horrific has happened to her, or you're one of

378
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,719
Speaker 1: the biggest beasts on the face of the planet absent

379
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: any kind of compassion and love, which this is all about.

380
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: Remember they're going on there the celebration of their first anniversary.

381
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: You're telling me that you are going to go home

382
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 1: abandoning the person that you have, you know, stated that

383
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: you love more than anybody in the world. You're supposed

384
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: to love more than yourself, by the way, and you're

385
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: going to leave her up there in this wilderness. It

386
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense, Dave No.

387
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: And the part about it that when he says that

388
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: she ran off, you know that, you're saying she ran

389
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: off into the woods. You know that, and I think

390
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: you're accurate in that assessment. That's what he claims to believe.

391
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: But he actually spends it around okay, when nobody believes

392
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: this story of her just getting lost, because you know,

393
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: she's not an idiot, smart person, early twenties, in good health,

394
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: she would have been able to find civilization. Right. She's

395
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: been gone two days by the time he even reports

396
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: her two and a half days, but well before her

397
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: family reports are missing. He never did, and so the

398
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 2: idea that she's out there wandering around angles sleep doesn't

399
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: hold water either. So they're like, what happened? Now, That's

400
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: when they start turning the screws. That's when they bring

401
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: him in and say, excuse me, Joseph Forlotzo, you're forty

402
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: one years old, you married a girl half your age.

403
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: Come on and talk to us. Now, Now you're going

404
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: to actually and this is what I always picture happening, Joe,

405
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: and you correct me if I'm wrong. I always picture

406
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: people like this. Men that are like this towards are

407
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: so weak. They are not the kind of guy that

408
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: has friends, because they're horrible people. They're all about controlling

409
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: another person who they deem weaker, and that's how they

410
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: get their jollies or whatever in life. Now this type

411
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: of individual is going to have to sit down with

412
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: some real men. And if a woman is investigating this

413
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: as a detective as well, she's going to be able

414
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: to stand right in his face. They're going to get

415
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: the best and worst out of this guy in no time.

416
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: Is that a fair assessment of how that interview is

417
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: going to take place.

418
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: Yes, it's very very true. And they you know the

419
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: old adage about good cop back cop, And if you've

420
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: got a group of investigators sort of work working this,

421
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: this thing is scripted. Before they ever begin to talk

422
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: to him, they'll say, Okay, I'm going to observe. I'm

423
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: going to ask the questions, and the person that is

424
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: asking the questions will pretty much stand on task unless

425
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: they have pre arranged for them to suddenly interrupt because

426
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: you're trying to elicit a response because you know, you

427
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: don't initially you don't know where the young woman is. Okay,

428
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: she's out in the wilderness for all you know. You

429
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: just want to know where she is, and you try to.

430
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: I think in many of these quote unquote missing persons cases,

431
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 1: you try to appeal to their humanity. But here's the problem.

432
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: If you're absent humanity and compassion, what the hell are

433
00:24:46,760 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: you appealing to. Well, we hit a jackpot here, Dave,

434
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: with this particular case. I am proud to say that

435
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: once again we have another person, an accused perpetrator, who

436
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: is trying to use the famous I blacked out defense.

437
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I love the fact that you talked

438
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: about putting the screws to him, this idea of you know,

439
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: we're going to get some answers from you, and if

440
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: we have to stay here all day, you're going to

441
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: stand up and answer for what has happened to Emily.

442
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. When Emily, or all that remained

443
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: of Emily is finally discovered, I'm just amazed that, first off,

444
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: the police could contain themselves to the point where they

445
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: didn't feel like their heads were going to explode or

446
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: that they were going to great bodily harm, because what

447
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: they wound up finding relative to Emily would shock the

448
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: most stalwart among us to your absolute core. He finally

449
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: admits that he did in fact kill her. However, Yeah, I.

450
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 2: Got to ask you something because yeah, yeah, in that

451
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: interview room, you and I have watched these and you've

452
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: seen the end results of these. But when they start

453
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: talking and they listen to him, you know, they get

454
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: the story. Okay, you guys got into an argument and

455
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: she left. They're talking to him about his story, and

456
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: it obviously doesn't hold water for what you just explained

457
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: a minute ago. I mean, what kind of man is

458
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: going to let, and this particular case, a much younger

459
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: woman leave and beyond her own in the woods. I mean,

460
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: are you a real man to do that? And I

461
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: would imagine that alone would cause him to go. Look,

462
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: we got into a fight, but it's not my fault

463
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: because that's what he did. It's not my fault. She

464
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: was the aggressor. We hadn't We don't know what the

465
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: argument was about. By the way, I don't think he

466
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: ever copped to make it up anything. But she was

467
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: the aggressor. He was the punching bag. He's the victim. Joe,

468
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: have you.

469
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: Seen these two? Have you seen the image? This guy

470
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: towers over her like bigfoot, this guy, I mean, she's

471
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: the minutive, you know, long, pretty blonde hair, and he

472
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: stands over her. I don't know, he's two feet taller

473
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: than her. He almost looks like and okay, so let

474
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: me get this straight. And I'm not saying that somebody

475
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: that is short of sature cannot be an aggressor. All right,

476
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: we all know that that's not the case. However, Okay,

477
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: you're a grown man, and you're saying she's the aggressor. Yeah,

478
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: he talks. He talks about she initiated the physical violence

479
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: relative to I think, throwing candles at him, hurling insults

480
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: at him, all these sorts of things. And she lays

481
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: down on the sofa, apparent at some point in tom

482
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: and if I remember correctly, she says something like okay,

483
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: that's it. He claims Dave that she reached beneath the

484
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: throat pillar on the sofa, emerged with a handgun, points

485
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: it at him and mysteriously he winds up. He discovers

486
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: that he is holding a glock pistol with a suppressor

487
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: screwed onto the end of it, and as it gets

488
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: into the throes of uber violence, he dispatches her and

489
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: kills her. That's the story you're going with, Well, that's

490
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: the one that he ran with. That's his defense story.

491
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: And it gets better after that, doesn't it.

492
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well, I'm trying to get to that point

493
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: with him where he's actually saying this, you know, and

494
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: he's able to make this up. And it goes back

495
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 2: to that gaslighting thing where no matter what happens, he's

496
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: pretty ejecting everything onto her. And so you have to

497
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: assume that he had planted the glock, because who has

498
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: a glock with the silencer that's not planning on killing somebody.

499
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: Think about that for a minute. I have plenty of

500
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: people that I know that have guns. I don't know

501
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: any that have a silencer.

502
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: Well, they're easy, they are easy to get. It requires

503
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: if you're going to get one, you have to get

504
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: a particular there's a special form that you have to

505
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: fill out and there's a waiting period to get one.

506
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: But if you have a weapon. First off, you have

507
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: to have a weapon that has a suppressor adapter on

508
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: the end of it. In other words, the end of

509
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: the barrel has to be threaded in order to accommodate

510
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: screwing on the suppressor, and it has to the suppressor

511
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: has to actually fit the weapon. Well. He has all

512
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: of these components, Dave, all right, and it's that weapon

513
00:29:53,360 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: that actually ended Emily's life. The other part this is

514
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: that he remains with her body in this van, this

515
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: camper that they've created out of a bus, sleeps with her,

516
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: remains in the bus for many hours, gets up the

517
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: next morning, goes and has breakfast with his sister, all

518
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: the while Emily's body is in the van. It's at

519
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: some point in time that he acquires or has already

520
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I believe, has already a saw, and it's the saw

521
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: and the knives out of the knife block in their

522
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: little kitchenette that are used in order to huh, cut

523
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: Emily's body into eight separate pieces. And he was prepared

524
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: with he was prepared with black garbage bags as well

525
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: to place her body in. And it's not like this

526
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: guy took her body after he had dismembered it and

527
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: then went out into the woods and decided to place

528
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: each individual bag in an unseen location. Maybe he buried it,

529
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: maybe he took it to a body or no, no, no, no.

530
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: He takes all of her remains and then goes into

531
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: the bathroom of their van slash camper and retains them.

532
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: Then he gets bleach and tries to clean up the scene.

533
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's when you begin to take the toll

534
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: of what this guy did. It's really amazing. And Dave,

535
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: there's one piece of evidence that they found. There were

536
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: eight bags. Actually, there was one piece of evidence that

537
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: they found in one of these bags that completely changed

538
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: the story. Do you remember the pillow that I was

539
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: talking about she was laying on. Yeah, yeah, she had

540
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: her head resting on this pillar rade. Well, he claims

541
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: that she that it is something like out of a

542
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: spy movie or something. She you know, sticks her hand

543
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: under the pillow and produces a weapon and then threatens him,

544
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: and then you know, she says something like this is it,

545
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, or you're dead or whatever it is. Yeah,

546
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: that pillow comes into play. You know why it comes

547
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: into play because he took that pillow. He put it

548
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: over this beautiful young woman's head and then takes that

549
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: glock pistol equipped with a suppressor and fires through the

550
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: pillow into her skull and kills her dead right there

551
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: while she was apparently laying on the sofa on her phone.

552
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: This is that's a big time thread.

553
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: Joy, It is a big time thread. They can kill you,

554
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I'll tell you what. It's amazing, isn't it.

555
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: This might be one of the most gutless things that

556
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: I have heard of. And sometime it's it's bad enough

557
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: that he did this to her after having, you know,

558
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: mal treated her for so long with domestic abuse. It's

559
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: not enough just to kill her. Now he's got to

560
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: dismember her remains and ride around with him in a

561
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: bus and then lie about it to the people that

562
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: loved her. This is like the ultimate insult, Dave.

563
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: If it's a defense thing where you're you know, you're

564
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: afraid for your life and you're having to shoot somebody,

565
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: and again your your wife in this case, why would

566
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: you shoot them twice in the head? I mean, wouldn't

567
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: one time be enough if you were if you were

568
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: afraid for your life. With her laying on the couch

569
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: and playing on her phone, where it's scaring you to death,

570
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: and you're shooting just to try to back her off,

571
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, and fear that she's going to I guess,

572
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: psychically kill you. And he shoots her twice in the head.

573
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: Then do you think that maybe he because we know

574
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: that he chopped her up. But unless you have planned

575
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: on this, unless you know a good bit about the

576
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: human anatomy, it's not an easy task to cut up

577
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: a body. We've covered this many times. Yes, we have

578
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: her easy.

579
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: And it's not clean either. And you know he had

580
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: laid out, you know, plastic bags on the floor of

581
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: this thing in order to facilitate that hints he had

582
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: to go back and bleach. But you know, there's one

583
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: big piece that I forgot to tell you about, Dave.

584
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: We know that he dispatched her with this glock pistol,

585
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: but after having laid around in this converted bus with

586
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: her remains, I mean, after hours, he decides with these

587
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: knives from the knife block, he takes one, Dave, and

588
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: he stabs her body. I think it was like upwards

589
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: of fifteen times in a post mortem state. This is

590
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: before he ever begins his dismemberment. Now you go and

591
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: you tell me can we take the measure of how

592
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: polluted this guy's mind would be. And you know, those

593
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: stab wounds because you're you know, I'm kind of stating

594
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: the obvious here. You're stabbing a corpse when you were

595
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: when you would examine those wounds, and I can only

596
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: can you imagine being the pathologist in you're you're there

597
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: and you're you've got bags. There were six bags containing

598
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: human remains. So you're opening gently, opening each back and

599
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: you're taking out And what we do with dismembered remains

600
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: is that we will try it. We don't. You can't

601
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: rearticulate a body, but you lay it out on a table.

602
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: We do the same thing with skeletal remains as well,

603
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: and the board you lay you lay the body out

604
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: as best you can in its correct anatomical orientation, and

605
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: that way you can kind of appreciate where everything is.

606
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: And as simplistic as it sounds, one of the things

607
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: you're also trying to do is see if you're missing anything,

608
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: because there are you know, there are dismemberment cases where

609
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: people will take trophies, you know, and it's kind of absurd.

610
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: More no, it's not. There's really nothing off limits in

611
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: the world of death investigation. There is no absurdity that's

612
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: too absurd. You have to consider all of this. But

613
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: can you imagine being that pathologist and you're looking at

614
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: this body. You have the head, and probably the heads

615
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: the first thing you're going to go to, and you

616
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: see that she's been tapped twice in the head. Okay,

617
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: I've seen that before. But then you go to look

618
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: at these other injuries and I'm not talking about the

619
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: areas of dismemberment where you're disarticulating the body. I'm talking

620
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: about knife wounds. And you're sitting there and say, my god,

621
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: every one of these knife wounds is post mortem. There's

622
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: no hemorrhage in them whatsoever. It's you know, you look

623
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: at this and you try to drink all of this

624
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: in everything that he tried to do with her body,

625
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: but he couldn't seal the deal at the end as

626
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: far as just trying to, I don't know, in some

627
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: way discard her body or place her body, get as

628
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: much distance from him and the body the mortal remains

629
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: as he possibly can. I have a real hard time

630
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: understanding that. And you know, we've we've had cases like

631
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: this where people will kill individuals and then bury them

632
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: in their own backyard.

633
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: Dave, you know, I was thinking about something along the

634
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: lines of for Loozzo Junior and his father, you know,

635
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: they when he come up with the crazy story like

636
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: he did, and later confessing, and it did come up

637
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: in court, by the way, the defense did not want

638
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: his confession to police to be entered in. But again,

639
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: remember he claimed self defense. You know, it was in

640
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. Okay, Now this happened in twenty

641
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: twenty one, so we're talking it's four years ago. But

642
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: in twenty nine, twelve years before, Joseph Forlozzo Junior is

643
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: accused of shooting his wife twice in the head on

644
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: a camping train and cutting her body up. Joseph for

645
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: Loozzo Senior, Joseph Junior's dad, Well, he owned massage parlors

646
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: in Reading, Reading, Pennsylvania, and his wife managed. Her name

647
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: is jong he Lim for Lootzo. Well, his salon had

648
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: been raided earlier by cops, you know, because of prostitution

649
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: going on at the salon, and he comes home from

650
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: the grocery store in the midst of all this criminal

651
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: activity and his wife, young he Lim Falazzo, has been

652
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: killed with a knife. She's been stabbed to death. And

653
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: he was the only you know, because happened when nobody's home.

654
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: He comes home from the grocery store late at night

655
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: and finds his wife dad, and they never convicted him

656
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: for it, Joseph for Loozzo Senior. So twelve years later,

657
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: his own son, his wife ends up dead and I'm

658
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: wondering he shut her twice in the head? Did he

659
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: stab her in? Is some kind of tribute to what

660
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: his father did allegedly to his stepmother?

661
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: Just a thought, Wow, And that's an amazing piece to this.

662
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting? How if an individual, maybe even someone

663
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: much younger, had born witness to that level of violence,

664
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: do they become numb to it? I have no idea.

665
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked a lot about control relative to

666
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: this case, control and gas lighting and those sorts of things.

667
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: When you look at you look at a case like

668
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: this and you have a subject that would go to

669
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: all of this trouble relative to obviously the murder and

670
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: then the dismemberment and not want to get rid of

671
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: the body, you have to think that there's something else

672
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: going on here. That's why I believe that many people

673
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: that hang on to remains, bearing them in the backyard,

674
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: putting them in the basement, put them in a cross space,

675
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: putting them up in the attic, which does happen. They

676
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: want to.

677
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: Still put those murder victims under the house, under the house.

678
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Wayne Gacy did that with I don't know

679
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: it was what thirty thirty or approximately thirty young men.

680
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: I think that that control element continues on after death.

681
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: They still have the desire to control the circumstances in

682
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: their life, to control those that they've always had control over,

683
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: even in death. And yeah, you could say, well, Morgan,

684
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: it's part of not wanting to get caught that you

685
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: can kind of dictate the comings and goings. But I

686
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: think it's something much deeper. It's a matter of individuals

687
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: that want to say in their own way that I

688
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: am in control of the world around me, and I

689
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: defy anybody to find me guilty or maybe just accuse me.

690
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: But in this case, Joseph for Lazzo in fact found

691
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: guilty and now he'll spend probably the rest of his

692
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: days in jail. Please hear me, right, If you are

693
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: anyone that you know is suffering in a relationship involving

694
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: domestic abuse. I urge you, with everything that is within

695
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: me to reach out for help, and there is help.

696
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: You can call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at one

697
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: eight hundred seven nine nine seven two three. That's one

698
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: eight hundred seven nine nine seven two three three, or

699
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: go to the hotline all one word dot org. That's

700
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: the hot line dot org. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and

701
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: this is Bodybacks