1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Sahad Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Patrick. 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Today we have a guest from Baseball America. Baseball America 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: has released their top thirty prospect list for each team. 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: Sign up for a Baseball America subscription today and use 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: the promo code north Side thirty for Northside Territory listeners 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: to get thirty percent off the first year of an 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: annual Baseball America subscription. Today we have Jeff Hance joining 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: us from Baseball America. Jeff, thanks so much for joining us. 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 3: How are you doing great? Thanks to Ottevan Patrick. I'm 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: excited to be here talking about some Cubs probably one 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: of my favorite systems that I cover. I got five 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: of them here at Baseball America, and this is one that's, 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: you know, especially in the top ten, has a lot 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: of positional talent and a lot of players who are 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: close to the majors as well. 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: Right right, Let's I mean, and let's just get right 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: to it about I think not your number one prospect, 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: pretty much the number one prospect across the board. Everybody 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: has Matt Shaw's the Cubs number one prospect kind of 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: varies is how much everyone likes him. What are your guys, 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: He's going to be on this team at some point 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: this season. If it's not opening Day, he'll probably be 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: very soon after. And the only reason it wouldn't be 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: opening day is because something odd has happened. The way 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: it's trending right now, there'd be a surprise move happening 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: if Matt Shaw isn't on this roster to start the season. 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: But well, where are you, guys, Baseball America on where 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: are you personally on him? How do you kind of 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: see that bat and the defense in particular third base? 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that the defense is probably the 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: biggest question mark right now with Shaw. I have a 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: long history with Shaw. He's local to me, grew up 35 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: about fifteen minutes from where I'm sitting with you guys 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: right now. I saw him playing in high school, saw 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: of him in college, so a lot of them in 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: the Cape Cod League, you know, And I think that's 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: really where he established himself as one of the better 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: college players available in that draft class. Really just ran 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: the table from like the beginning of the season to 42 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: the end. Is like the best hitter on the cape, 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 3: and I think the big thing with him is it's 44 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: the bat. It's offensive tools that are above average across 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: the board or really high motor. I think that's something 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: that probably gets lost in this a little bit. Is 47 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: this guy, you know, kind of has that grity mentality. 48 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 3: He's going to show up for the ballpark every day. 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 3: He's going to do the things that he needs to do. 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 3: He's going to put the work in to get better 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: above average bat speed, so or there's impact there as well. 52 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: There's good bats of ball skills. I think he really 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: balances sort of his swing decisions well that he's not 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: overly passive, he's not overly aggressive, but he's willing to 55 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: attack pitches in the zone consistently. He's going to hit 56 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: for power. He's an excellent base runner. You know, it's 57 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: not plus foot speed, but I think when you factor 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: in his reads off of the pitcher, just how Quickie 59 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: is with that first step the second base, he's a 60 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: guy that's going to probably steal about thirty bags. So 61 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: you know, kind of adding another infielder with some speed 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: obviously makes that Cubs line up more dynamic, and you 63 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: know it's not gonna be like Nico Horner, who's an 64 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: excellent hitter but really lacks that sort of twenty plus 65 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: home run power. Shaw has that, and I think, you know, 66 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: as he continues to grow get stronger, you know, works 67 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: with major league hitting coaches, and obviously, you know, the 68 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: Cubs have very advanced you know, hitting development, et cetera, 69 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: that they do lean on metrics all that sort of thing. 70 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that could you know, potentially 71 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: flirt with like twenty five twenty five seasons. I don't 72 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: know if there's thirty home run power in the bat, 73 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: but I think that ballpark and just you know, his 74 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: swing type of guy's gonna hit a lot of doubles 75 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: and you know, probably twenty to twenty five home runs 76 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: while stealing a lot of bases, hitting for a good average. 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: The question is third base. He's never really had the 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: arm to stay on the left side of the infield. 79 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: That was always the question mark sort of scouting him 80 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: out in the Cape Cod League. I kind of figured 81 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: he'd be a second baseman. But he's put the work 82 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: in over the last couple of years and I think, 83 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: you know, has shown that you can release the ball 84 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: pretty quickly. It's pretty accurate throws. You have a shortstop 85 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: there that doesn't have the strongest arm in Dansby Swanson, 86 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: but is a good thrower because he's able to get 87 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: the ball out quick, his transitions, his actions are really clean, 88 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: So there's more to it than just arm strength. But 89 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: I am interested to see how he looks at third base, because, 90 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: like I said, kind of just always assumed he was 91 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: a second base. 92 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And Jeff, given your history with Matt Shaw being 93 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 4: kind of in your backyard, there are there any I 94 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: don't know, moments or anecdotes that stand out as you 95 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 4: look back on how he has made some really substantial 96 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 4: leaps over the years to be kind of on the 97 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 4: doorstep of really feel here. 98 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, just kind of talking to 99 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: high school coaches, guys that coached him and born he's 100 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: just a guy that wants to win. And I think, 101 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: you know, it's more than just trying to get better himself, Like, 102 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: he's a guy that really buys into sort of that 103 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: winning mentality. He's a good clubhouse guy, kind of a 104 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: top step kind of guy, you know, if you use 105 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 3: that expression. And I think you know that showed in 106 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: the Cape Cod League that was the best team all 107 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: summer long. They won the Cape Cod League. He hit 108 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: a big home run against Brewster, actually put it off 109 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: of the scoreboard, like naturalist. She didn't blame he didn't 110 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: like her anything, but I remember sitting there at that game. 111 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: It was a fairly close game and I think he 112 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: was a grand It might have been a grand slam 113 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 3: off the scoreboard and it blew the game wide open, 114 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: and you know, you could just see like the pressure 115 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: release as he was just like going crazy around the 116 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: basis So to me, when I see a guy that 117 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: shows that kind of emotion and plays that hard in 118 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: summer ball, where a lot of these guys come out 119 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: here and you know they use it as a vacation. 120 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: They can go to the beach. You know, there's a 121 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: lot of you know, attractive young girls around. They're a 122 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: college athlete. Like it's that for a lot of guys, 123 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: and you'll see it in the numbers sometimes and these 124 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: guys go on and have great pro careers. Shav was 125 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: someone that really from like end to end, was a 126 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: great player and kind of one of the guys. He asked, 127 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: how did this guy not end up on the collegiate 128 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: national team. 129 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: Because we're talking about the cape Cod I think I'm 130 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: right on this. I'm going off memory. I want to 131 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: kind of jump to it. A completely random player that 132 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: didn't play last year is recovering from Tommy john At. 133 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: Cole Mathis was a cape Cod guy. 134 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: Right am I remembering that? Right? 135 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 136 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, He's someone that I got a lot of love 137 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: for when they drafted him. I got text from people 138 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: outside the org really high on him. I know they 139 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: traded Cam Smith, but it feels like Cole Mathis could 140 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: be that type of guy that jumps this season if 141 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: he's healthy. It sounds like he's healthy. What have you 142 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: heard about him? And kind of what are your expectations 143 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five and beyondest. 144 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw a lot of Cole Mathis. I go 145 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: to a lot of Catuit games. It's one of the 146 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: closer parks to me. It's the area that my family 147 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: vacation's in. BA has a close relationship with Katuit as well, 148 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: because Peter Flaherty, one of our college riders, actually interned 149 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: and then sort of worked as an AGM. His brother 150 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: is actually one of the coaches in the bench. So 151 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: I have a lot of My son goes to Katu 152 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: at camps and was coached by Coel and I have 153 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: a friend who's actually involved with his agency. I think 154 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: the thing that people don't realize about Math is because 155 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: of the type of body, the fact that he's like 156 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: a corner, you know infielder. He's actually an outstanding athlete. 157 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: You know, moves really well for how big he is. 158 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: There's even more power projection to come. He does that 159 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: with you know, out a ton of swing and miss. 160 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: There's bats to ball skills and ability that I almost 161 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: wonder if there is maybe some chance this guy, if 162 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: you know, third base isn't the position he ends up 163 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: sliding to the outfield. You know. Obviously how the arm 164 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: and all of that stuff recovers is a big question mark. 165 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: But I think just from a pure bat perspective, there's 166 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: above average to maybe plus power and you know average 167 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: to above average hitting ability, good swing decisions, more or 168 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: less good back to ball skills, and the good swing. 169 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: I think, you know, he's a he's a guy that 170 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: could blow up. He slid into the top ten. We 171 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: had him as eleven in the handbook. Cam Smith trade 172 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: happened after our deadline for the handbook, so he is 173 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: a cub in our handbook, but online you'll see that 174 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: Smith is obviously the number one Astros prospect. Now math 175 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: has slid in at ten, so he's already in the 176 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: top ten with some of the guys that could potentially graduate, 177 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: and I think kind of looking at this, there's maybe 178 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: two to three guys that you can kind of definitely 179 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: say might hit that one hundred and thirty bat at 180 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: bat threshold for us. He's a guy that could slide 181 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: in the top five with a good, healthy season. So 182 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: he's definitely a name that if I was, you know, 183 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: a Cubs fan, I'd be plugged in on and following 184 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: mathis and seeing what his journey's like over the course 185 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: of the next year. 186 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: Hey, Jeff, how did you process that Kyle Tucker trade 187 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 4: of the Cubs giving up Cam Smith? A guy who 188 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 4: I feel like at the end of last season, obviously 189 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 4: he was on people's radar, but when the Cubs were 190 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 4: talking about their prospects, he was a little farther away, 191 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 4: not quite an afterthought, but wasn't as near term. And 192 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, once he gets away from 193 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 4: the Cubs, it's like, oh wow, best prospect in the 194 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: Astro system, maybe one of the best in the game. 195 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: What what was your kind of gut feel for that 196 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: deal at the winter meeting. 197 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,479 Speaker 3: Coming off And I do the Astros as well, Okay, okay, 198 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: and I'll say like being the number one prospect in 199 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: the Astro system is not nearly as hard as being 200 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: the fourth prospect in the CUB system. 201 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, in terms. 202 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: Of where they're at. I do think that he was 203 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: probably one of the bigger up arrow prospects throughout the 204 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: off season process for us, just in terms of talking 205 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: to other front offices. One of the processes in our 206 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: Top one hundred that we typically always follow is we 207 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: try to send out that initial top one hundred list 208 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: to as many front offices as we possibly can, and 209 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: the feedback on Smith was some of the loudest in 210 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: the list. I almost wonder if we're still catching up 211 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: in terms of where he could be another guy that 212 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 3: was a big Cape cod League standout. I remember the 213 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: first time I saw him was coming off kind of 214 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: an un even freshman year because he was a draft 215 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: eligible sophomore, but an uneven freshman year at FSU. There 216 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: were some strikeout concerns. He worked with high ends as 217 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: hitting coach, Tino Martinez actually cleaned up some stuff in 218 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: his swing, and we've just really throughout that summer, you 219 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: saw the strikeouts decrease, the swing and miss decreased. He 220 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: kept hitting for impact and was just doing a lot 221 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 3: of good things at the plate that only sort of 222 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 3: got better at FSU. He comes into pro ball and 223 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: it looked like he took even another step. He's another 224 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: guy that, you know, teams are doing a lot more 225 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: advanced athletic testing, whether it's with force plates, you know, 226 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: whether it's with jump tests and run data and that 227 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: sort of thing. Cam Smith is another guy that was, 228 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: you know, sort of top of the draft when it 229 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: came to athletes and we're looking at bigger guys that 230 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: move well, there's projection for power, you know, there's projection 231 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: for speed in some of those things. Yeah, I mean, 232 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: I thought it was the price that they had to 233 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: pay to get arguably a top five to six player 234 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: in the game. Now it's just a question of whether 235 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: they can they can resigned Tucker or not. I also 236 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 3: like the trade because they you know, if they traded 237 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: away parades, I understand why they made the DAL last 238 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: year it kind of didn't work out. He goes to 239 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: a place where his swing is much more tailored for 240 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: those Crawford boxes in Houston, but they open up a 241 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: spot for Matt Shaw, and I think, like, when you're 242 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: looking forward at what this Cub's core is going to be, 243 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: he's going to be part of it. And you know, 244 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: if they can resign Tucker, it's obviously a question mark. 245 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: I think there's probably a pretty good chance at this 246 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: point that he does get to free agency, but they 247 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: have some money to spend. If they can bring him back, 248 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: I think you know that will turn out. You know, 249 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: three four years down the road, if he does come back, 250 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: it's like, all right, this can make a difference. But 251 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: I also think you look at the NL Central and 252 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: you say to yourself, Kyle Tucker on this Cubs team, 253 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: with some of the young players that they have to 254 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: supplement in the case of injuries, they have a lot 255 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 3: of positional depth right now. Pitching can get a little 256 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 3: bit better. They've made some moves more on the low end, 257 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: but they did add some innings. I think it puts 258 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: them into a much better position in terms of making 259 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: the playoffs, and you know, kind of separating themselves from 260 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: the Cardinals and then getting a little bit closer to 261 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: where the Brewers are and maybe even passing the Brewers. 262 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: So it should it should be interesting to see how 263 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: this all plays out. And you know, I don't fault 264 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: them from making that deal at all. I think anytime 265 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: you can get a player like that and acquire and 266 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: you got to do it. 267 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 268 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: The projections Baseball Prospectives had their p CODA projections come 269 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: out and the Cubs were at ninety ninety one wins, 270 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: which is I was a little taken aback by that. 271 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm here, Patrick, and I will we'll talk about that 272 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: later this week in another episode. 273 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: I have a player development question. 274 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: But before we get to that, let's let's take a 275 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. 276 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 5: Hey, Valentine's Day is coming up, and we have the 277 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 5: recommendation for you to check out right now. 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They 305 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: hired Tyler Zombra this past offseason. This off season before that, 306 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: they had a new head of player development in Jason Chandler. 307 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: Curious what your perspective, what stands out about their player development, 308 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: What do they do well? What would you like to 309 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: see them or what would people around the game think 310 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: they need to improve upon. What's the kind of the perception. 311 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's been a long running issue for 312 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: the Cubs just in terms of, you know, internal development 313 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: on the pitching side. I think some of it is 314 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: also the type of traits that they target. You know, 315 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: up until recently, they hadn't had I think up until Steel, 316 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: they hadn't really had a homegrown arm in a long time. 317 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: That's certainly a big issue. I think it's one of 318 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: the things that's kind of held them back over the 319 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: last couple of years. On the positional side, it hasn't 320 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: been I mean, it hasn't been awful. I think that 321 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: you know, some of the swing stuff that they've done 322 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: has been pretty good. They do a pretty good job 323 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: of targeting hitters generally. I think in the drafts they 324 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: do pretty well in that college market. They don't go 325 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: after a lot of high end high school players, which 326 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: is a place that they had done pretty well previously. 327 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: I think some of that is they're a very model 328 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: driven team, so the type of traits that they look 329 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: for are typically guys that have a balance of good 330 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: swing decisions, bats of ball skills and power, and then 331 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: it's just you know a matter of finding a position 332 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: and kind of optimizing some of those traits. I think 333 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: they do do pretty well on the hitting side. I 334 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: wouldn't say it's one of the elite hitting development teams, 335 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: but you know, it has been fairly good. They've brought 336 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of players up to the major 337 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: leagues over the last you know, five to six seven 338 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: years before that, the big issue is pitching. I do 339 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: think it's better than it used to be, and some 340 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: of some of the additions hopefully can sort of bring 341 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: some of those guys up. I mean, they do have 342 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: some decent talent here in terms of pitching, but they 343 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: haven't spent a lot of money at the top of 344 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: the draft. It's hard to buy those guys internationally, and 345 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: more often than not, the trades they've made have necessarily 346 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: targeted pitching prospects, so it's tricky. I mean, I think 347 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: that's the one area that, you know, if I had 348 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: to sort of pick out one place where the Cubs 349 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: need to improve, I think it's I think it's the 350 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: pitching side of things. And you know, you don't have 351 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: to be developing aces, but just being able to have 352 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: those guys that come through the system that are major 353 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: League ready that can even be a fourth or a 354 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: fifth or a sixth starter for you can pay dividends. 355 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: I do think they have a couple of those guys 356 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: right now, and someone like Kate Horton and bird Sell 357 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: to a to a lesser degree. But I think when 358 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: you look at Horton some of its injuries, you have 359 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: questions about, you know, how much can he develop a 360 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: third pitch, which has been you know, one of the 361 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: lingering questions about him, you know, dating back t when 362 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: he was in college. 363 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff, that's like the quick snapshot of this farm 364 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 4: system on pitching side. It's like, there's Kate Horton, and 365 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 4: is there anyone else? And even Kate Horton kind of 366 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: got hot at the right time, got drafted very very high, 367 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: and seems to have been dinged a little bit and 368 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: probably fairly what is your outlook on CAD and then 369 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 4: just the rest of that pitching group for twenty twenty five. 370 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: We're a little bit higher on more, I think than 371 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: some of the other sites that are out there. You know, 372 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: he's obviously had a tricky injury history. He didn't pitch 373 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 3: much in college. I think when you look at that 374 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: one season with Oklahoma where he really broke out in 375 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: the second half, the beginning of that year was almost 376 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 3: like a rehab for him. Showed some good things when 377 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: he came into pro ball, you know, unfortunate timing with 378 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 3: injuries last year. It sounds like he's a full go 379 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: this year. I think it's just a matter of like 380 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 3: is there a third pitch, you know, does he have 381 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: a cutter or something, you know, the curveball. Can he 382 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: get that change up to a point where it's even 383 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 3: a fringe average pitch? I mean we put a forty 384 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: on it, below average grade. I think that's the biggest 385 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: question mark. It's an above average fastball. It's a plus 386 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: to double plus slider when it's on. Any questions about 387 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: the shape last year I think could be injury related. 388 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: So I kind of want to throw out twenty twenty 389 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 3: four with Kate Horton. But if you know if he's 390 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: healthy and he's ready, I do think that it's a 391 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: major league quality arm. He's probably more of like a 392 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: five and dive guy right now, just because he's not 393 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: super efficient, doesn't have a ton of innings built up 394 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: throughout his career. There's some chance that he can end 395 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 3: up as a reliever. If he ends up as a reliever, 396 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: he's going to be a high leverage guy. And I 397 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: know that, like as a big a Cubs fan, you 398 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 3: don't necessarily want to hear that, but that's still a 399 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: really good outcome. If it's like a power reliever that 400 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 3: can handle you know, high leverage innings, those guys are 401 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: super valuable to becoming more valuable in this day and age. 402 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: So you know, I think there are a lot of 403 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: folks throughout the industry that I think got a little 404 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: too ahead of themselves in terms of like writing off 405 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 3: Horton just because of an injured season. We'll see what 406 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: he comes back. I do think anytime you have a 407 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 3: pitcher here who's super athletic, who has you know, velocity 408 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 3: and the fastball power is not a question maybe getting 409 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 3: a little bit more of his fastball shape, which backed 410 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 3: up a little bit this year. But he's got a 411 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: plus maybe double plus pitch and that can go a 412 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 3: long way. So you know, if you can even get 413 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: that change up to a point that he just uses 414 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: it situationally or like I said, as a cutter, or 415 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: you know, something that can sort of give him that 416 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 3: that bridge pitch between you know, the fastball and the slider, 417 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: I think it will pay dividends. And that's not to 418 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 3: say it's not going to happen. I mean he's still 419 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: very young in his career. And I think the other 420 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: thing we see with with pitchers in particular is so 421 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 3: much development happens at the major league level when they 422 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 3: it's so hard to replicate major league at bats, like 423 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: I can you know, all these teams or most of 424 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: them have trajet machines now which replicate you know, the 425 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 3: perfect movement and spin and release point and velocity of 426 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: like Garrett Cole's best fastball, and that's what you're always facing. 427 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: You're always facing, and you could I mean, there were 428 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 3: guys in Triple A here in Worcester that were plugging 429 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: in the guys in Triple A before they faced them 430 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 3: and taking VP, you know, before the game against the 431 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: guy they were going to face. You can't really do 432 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 3: that with you know, major league lineups unless you have 433 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 3: a major league lineup for these guys to face, and 434 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 3: it's not you know, it's not an easy thing to 435 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: get you know, nine major league hitters together in a 436 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: non major league game. So I think like that's something 437 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 3: that's always sort of the learning curve of Like it 438 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: may take a year for this guy to settle in, 439 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 3: and it could be rough early on, but I do 440 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: think the traits, the underlying traits and abilities are there, 441 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 3: and we'll see how much attitude he has in terms 442 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 3: of adding that third pitch and improving him. 443 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, one other thing I heard early last season before 444 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: the injury, his mechanics were kind of about whack. He 445 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: came into camp and they were trying to work that, 446 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: and right as they were correcting that, that's when the 447 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: injury kind of popped up and derailed his season. We'll 448 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: see if that's legit, if he's if he comes in 449 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: with a couple extra takes in the basketball shape is 450 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: back obviously that I think he'll quickly bounce back in 451 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: other people's eyes as far as his prospect status goes. 452 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm curious you guys were pretty aggressive with the international 453 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: class this year. Where you rank them? 454 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: What? Uh, tell me about these guys? 455 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: I know, like these are the types of guys we're 456 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: gonna know almost nothing about, right, Like what what. 457 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: What stands out about their talent? 458 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: And where kind of where does this class rank as 459 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: far as international classes go. 460 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: I think it was one of the better international classes. 461 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: Just talking to Ben Badler, He's an expert on that. 462 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 3: You know, Uh, in terms of firsthand experience. I don't 463 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: have a ton of first hand experience with Tomos and 464 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 3: these other guys, but you know, we do have somebody 465 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: in Badler who works these guys you know, or this 466 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 3: this market you know for many many years, has connections 467 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 3: down there. He goes and sees players, so he's got 468 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 3: a lot of firsthand experience and also gets a lot 469 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: of buzz in terms of of, you know, leading up 470 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 3: the signing day, who's ascending, who's getting better? And I 471 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: think that's always the big question that. 472 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: A lot of the. 473 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: Guys are signing at you know, fourteen fifteen years old 474 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: in reality or agreeing to deals at fourteen or fifteen 475 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: years old, And I mean think about what you were 476 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 3: like at fourteen versus what your body would like at 477 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: fifteen seventy. I mean it was. It's a massive difference, 478 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: you know, And and I think that's the craziest thing 479 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 3: that you know, teams can even scout these guys and 480 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: do it fairly well. That said, Wan Tomas was probably 481 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: one of the more exciting players in any international class. 482 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: He's athletic, he's got size at I mean he's listed 483 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: at six two one seventy seven. I've heard he's at 484 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 3: in an inch and he's actually six y three now, 485 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: super projectable build. We have above average power on him. 486 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: He's a plus runner, you know, at least average skills 487 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: in the in the field. So you never know if 488 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: these guys are going to stay at shortstop because like 489 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: I said, he's sixteen. We don't know how it's going 490 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 3: to project over the next couple of years. I do 491 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 3: think he's got the actions and just the stuff that 492 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 3: I've seen in video and the things I've heard from 493 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 3: Ben that he's gonna stick in the dirt. And that's 494 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: really the biggest question mark. Does he have a position right? 495 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: You can hit the bat can be great, you know, 496 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: if you don't have that sort of supporting skill, that's 497 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 3: certainly a question. The other guy, and I think he 498 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: actually got a bigger bonus than Tomas was wil Free 499 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: de la Cruz, another big guy has you know, six 500 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 3: foot three again, has a chance to add weight, still 501 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 3: pretty wirey, wiry. I think, you know, Badler said that 502 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: it's even possible this guy could add you know, twenty 503 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: to twenty five pounds of muscle over the next couple 504 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: of years. He's a switch hitter, you know, kind of 505 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: similar skills too, average hitter. There's power projection. He's a 506 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: tux slower than Thomas, but has a bigger arm and 507 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 3: might be more likely to stick a shortstop. Maybe just 508 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 3: doesn't have the offensive upside. But I think when you're 509 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: talking about players like this that are that are signing 510 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 3: in our nationally and getting into top thirty lists, you 511 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: have to be pretty special to beat out some of 512 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: these names. And you know, like I like a lot 513 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: of the guys that are in this sort of eleven 514 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: to twenty range. I think there's some sleepers when you 515 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 3: look at you know, Sipaida who had a inhel Cipaida 516 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: shortstop that signed a couple of years ago, actually a 517 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: native of New Jersey, but signed out of the Venican Republic. 518 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: One of those deals had a really good season in 519 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: the in the UH the Arizona Complex League. The underlying data, 520 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: even beyond the slash line, was really really good. I 521 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: think there's more power there than people even probably realize. 522 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: You know, he had a one oh two zero point 523 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: two mile per hour nine eight percent dial. His max 524 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: EV this year was one O eight point eight. That's 525 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: well above the average for that agent level. That's something 526 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: to keep in mind. I think Ronnie Cruz is interesting. 527 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: He's got a lot of folks in the front office 528 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: excited and like, yeah, he'll you know, Melendez has some 529 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 3: some tools as well. So I think overall it's a 530 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: good international class, especially when you put it in the 531 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 3: perspective of some of the other young players around him 532 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: that have already come Stateside and shown ability. So I 533 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: think this is definitely something for Cubs fans to be 534 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: excited about. They did pretty well in this international market 535 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 3: just based on the early returns. 536 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 4: Jeff, you make a great point about development from when 537 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 4: these guys you know, agree to deals to come to 538 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 4: the States to putting some context around say moisspal Sterios, 539 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 4: I ready to report great stuff for our listeners. Like 540 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 4: can he catch? And like how soon will he he 541 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 4: be hitting bombs at Ridley Field. 542 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: It could be later this year. I think the biggest 543 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 3: question mark with him is just how, you know, how 544 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: is the catching going to? Yeah, the body improved a 545 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: lot yere Okay, I think people need to understand that 546 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 3: I was watching. I watch a lot of video of 547 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: Cubs guys, a lot of games live. I'm not near 548 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: a ton of those affiliates, so I see him some 549 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: in spring training, and then it's more like I get 550 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: back from the ballpark from seeing East Coast teams and 551 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: I'm I'm putting on different Cubs affiliates and watching those games. 552 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 3: The body was big. It was now ajndro Kirk sort 553 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: of body he showed up at. We have a prospect 554 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: pad that we put on. It's part of our sponsorship 555 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 3: and stuff in the Futures Game, So it's when these 556 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 3: guys come in the day before the Futures Game. He 557 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 3: walked in. We didn't recognize him. Wow, it looks a 558 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: lot more like Francisco Alvarez. He's still heavy, but it's 559 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 3: more like a catcher's build than like this is unusual, 560 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: Like is this guy you know too big? To stay 561 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: behind the plate. I don't know how he's looked over 562 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: the offseason. I don't know how that went. I was 563 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: told by some folks with the organization that I think 564 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: from like April to like JUNI dropped almost like fifty pounds. 565 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 3: And the hitting ability is like I mean, barrel control. 566 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 3: There aren't many guys I see that have the sort 567 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: of bats of ball ability and the ability to put 568 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 3: the ball where they want. They had some of the 569 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 3: skill competitions that they did before the few or after 570 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 3: Futures game this year. One of them was sort of 571 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: placing the ball in different spots throughout the infield, in 572 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: the outfield. He was the best at that. I think 573 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 3: he was actually leading after that competition. You know a 574 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: guy that could just put the ball any place that 575 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: he wants. He doesn't sell out for power. He does 576 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 3: have bat speed the underlying exit velocity data as well 577 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 3: above major league average. At this point, I think he 578 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: had like a one oh five or one oh six 579 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: ninetieth percentile. I'd have to double check, but it was 580 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: in that range. I think this is a plus hitter. 581 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: I think the bat's probably good enough that if he 582 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,239 Speaker 3: ends up at first base or he ends up as 583 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: a DH, it's fine. It could be one of those 584 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: things where you know, he's a platoon catcher that's you know, 585 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 3: catching twice a week and sees them at bats as 586 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: a DH and see some bat at bats at first base. 587 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 3: But it's a really special bat And I think we 588 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 3: have him higher than other places because wh as I 589 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: was talking to scouts, as I was talking to folks, 590 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 3: even with the Cubs, it seemed like they really have 591 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: a lot of belief that he's going to hit at 592 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 3: the major league level. And I think you got to 593 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 3: put in pspect he's only he was only twenty years old. 594 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: I think he just turned twenty one. Yeah, and as 595 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 3: in the cusp of the major league's already in Triple A, 596 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: he's going to have all that experience. And I think, 597 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 3: you know, they've had a couple of guys that, you know, 598 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: like Owen Casey's another one that gets that full year 599 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: of Triple A experience that pays dividends once those guys 600 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: get up to the majors and they're doing it at 601 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 3: really young ages and showing advanced abilities. 602 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: Jeff, So, the CUB system pretty top heavy as far 603 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: as guys at the upper levels right now, you look 604 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: at that top you know, of the top ten, like 605 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: six seven of them, I wouldn't be shocked if they 606 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: either graduate or are trade it. If the Cubs are 607 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: in contention, I could see some of these guys moved 608 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: as well. Can you paint a scenario where they a 609 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: lot of guys graduate, they trade some guys, but they 610 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: don't completely fall off a cliff. What needs to happen? 611 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: Who are the guys that you're watching that say, this 612 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: guy's a chance to develop. This guy can keep them 613 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: in as a top you know, fifteen or top you know, 614 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: make sure they don't become twenty five or worse as 615 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: far as farm systems just because of graduations. 616 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: I think some of those international guys that we talked about, 617 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: you know, I have a tough time believing that Al Kantara, 618 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: I mean, he could get traded. I have a tough 619 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: time believing he's going to be up in the major 620 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: leagues for a good chunk of the year. I think 621 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: another year or a full season at Triple A's going 622 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: to do him some goods. Probably I would imagine spends 623 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: most of the year at Triple A. Probably maybe not 624 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: enough at bats to graduate. But the key guy here 625 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: is Jefferson Rojas. He came into last season entering twenty 626 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 3: twenty four, Rojas was one of the big up arrow 627 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: prospects and you know, super advanced off obviously the lower 628 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 3: levels in terms of what he can do. Let's see 629 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: what happens this year. I think, you know, he's a 630 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: guy that could rebound in a big way with somebody 631 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 3: that was pushing up to or was around the top 632 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: fifty last year. He fell off of that. He's out 633 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: of the top one hundred now. But I think it 634 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: really good season from him, just so in some gains 635 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: at the plate, showing a little bit more power, a 636 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: little bit more impact and game because he has the 637 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: supporting skills that he's a guy that could really move 638 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 3: up quite a bit. I think you look at maybe 639 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 3: like Jackson Wiggins, who has really good stuff. If he 640 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: can continue to sort of show that you know, he's 641 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: more than a reliever, that he can be a starter, 642 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: he can go deeper into starts and hold that stuff, 643 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: he's another one. And then I think a lot of 644 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: these international guys that we had mentioned, and you know, 645 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 3: whether that be this class or the twenty three class, 646 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: like Cipado or some of the guys that they took 647 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: chances on in the draft, like Ronnie Cruz or even 648 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: Pedro Miraz. I mean, Pedro Ramirez kind of gets lost 649 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: in the shuffle. Really good signing for them out of Venezuela, 650 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 3: cheap bonus at seventy five dollars seventy five thousand, and 651 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 3: you know, he's continued to hit. I think there's more 652 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: power there just based on the exit velocity data than 653 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: what is slugging percentage has shown. Some of that is 654 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: also the lower levels for the Cubs. They're not playing 655 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: in plus offensive environments and that sort of changes once 656 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: they get to double A and triple A. But I think, 657 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: you know, sometimes when we're looking at overall numbers and 658 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: there's a lot of folks, you know, publicly, they don't 659 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: have access to advanced, you know, stat cast data like 660 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: we've had for the last couple of years, it's tough 661 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: for them to project out power. I think there's a 662 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 3: lot of sort of sneaky guys in that eleven to 663 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 3: twenty range that could jump up next year, and then 664 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: you know, you'll see how the draft goes as well. 665 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 3: I think that's probably the biggest part of it. We 666 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: don't start ranking farm systems until after the trade deadline, 667 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 3: after the draft and the signees. That's when we sort 668 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: of do our second ranking in the second half of 669 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: farm systems. A good draft, and you know, some of 670 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: those guys taking step forwards I think would definitely allow 671 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: them to stay in the top half. They're they dropped 672 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 3: a little bit under Camsmith. I think they were like 673 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: thirteen or fourteen. I think what's going to come out, 674 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 3: They're going to be more like seventeen or eighteen. But 675 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 3: in the reality of it, like eight to twenty are 676 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 3: already close. You know that it's it's a matter of 677 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: a couple of high end players and just sort of 678 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 3: where they rank out. But you know, it's it's still 679 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: a pretty good system, and yeah, it'll be interesting to see, 680 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 3: you know, like what they do with some of these 681 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: guys like Casey who have had you know, a full 682 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 3: year triple A experience is pretty good there. He saw 683 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: it in the field. He showed a lot of growth 684 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 3: just from a bad ball perspective, and you know, always 685 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 3: had the underlying power and I think he can kind 686 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 3: of marry that. He's still young enough for all that 687 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: to come together. So I think that's all part of it. 688 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 3: But I'm interested to see if they make any more 689 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,239 Speaker 3: trades here because they do have some trade chips and 690 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: probably players that teams would be interested in because some 691 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 3: of them are sort of plug and play major leaguers 692 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: at this point. 693 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 4: Right, Jeff, you've kind of finished my thought right there. 694 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 4: Of you know, this trade deadline I think is going 695 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 4: to be used for Jed Hoyer. You know, we'll see 696 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: if he what he does here before the start spring training. 697 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 4: I think we're operating on the assumption that this will 698 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 4: be the last year of his contract and then they'll 699 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,239 Speaker 4: revisit with ownership after the year. And so I do 700 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 4: think all of those games you mentioned will be it'll 701 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 4: be fascinating to watch to see how much Jed kind 702 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 4: of pushes in further for this season or not. 703 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Jeff, thanks so much for joining us. Everyone make 704 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: sure to check out Baseball America. Their top thirties are 705 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: all out. 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Thanks everyone 715 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: for listening, Take care. 716 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff. 717 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 6: Never anything really day, anything to 718 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: D