1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg sound On 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: talking about a huge issue. Here is investment in marginalized communities. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: They want to deconstructive package and cherry pick what they 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: like what they don't like. China is surgeon power with 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: major investments. Bloomberg Sound On, the insiders, the influencers, the insides. 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Biden has promised again and again that he will unite 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: the country. Who do you think Biden has to watch 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: in terms of moderate defectors? Infer the structure has always 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: been guard part of Bloomberg sound On on Bloomberg Radio. 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm Jack Fitzpatrick here with Emily Wilkins. We've got Genie Schnzano, 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor on with us. And we're gonna get 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: a call shortly from Congressman Carlos Heimenez, Republican from South Florida. 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: Really good to to get him on the phone briefly 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: to talk infrastructure and everything else. First, you know, this 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: just popped up, so I'll throw my script out immediately. 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: And as Charlie mentioned, the the income tax returns for 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: the president and vice president shows dropping incomes in I 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: don't know if that makes them more relatable I guess 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: that is not necessarily surprising. But we see Joe Biden's 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: income falling to a pretty substantial six hundred seven thousand 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: dollars in twenty twenty a lot of speaking engagements. Uh, 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: we see Biden and the first Lady, Jill Biden, paying 23 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty seven thousand in federal income taxes. You know, 24 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: we always want to see these numbers on on the 25 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: president and vice president and the first lady's income coming in. 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm always curious though, with Joe Biden, Genie, does 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: his middle class appeal stand up as as much as 28 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: it used to When you see the president who has 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: a salary of four hundred thousand making six hundred thousand 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: that was lower than it previously had been. But what 31 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: does what does this mean, Genie when we see these 32 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: numbers falling in? You know, I think it does show 33 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: that prior to coming into office, he was making money, 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: as many former politicians do on the speaking circuit. And 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: so that is something that can you know, make people 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, a little bit of a red 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: flag if you're selling yourself as a you know, as 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned, sort of middle class Joe that said, of course, 39 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: he's not making or he was not making nearly as 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: much of some other public officials, members of the Senate 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: in particular, also our former president, although you know, we're 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: still not quite clear on the income there. So you know, 43 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I do think it's important that that people are paid 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: by the public and as they come into office, we 45 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: understand where their income has been coming as they're making 46 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: policy that can impact those sources of income. Right, well, 47 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: at least we have the numbers. I guess that's one 48 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: way to start off the show. Now, I believe we 49 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: have Congressman Carlos Jimenez joining us, a Republican from South Florida. 50 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Florida's twenty six district, the area 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: south of Miami. Congressman, thanks so much for joining us. 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: I keep telling my boss is you've got to send 53 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: me down there to have an in person interview in 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: the congressman's district, potentially on a beach, but getting you 55 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: on the phone is is also very nice. Thank you 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: for joining us. Congressman. It's it's my pleasure. Whenever you want, 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: we can go down into the keys and that we 58 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: can have a nice interview as by the beach or 59 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: wherever you want? Okay, are all right now? I am. 60 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: I am really glad to have you on, partly because 61 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: you're on the Infrastructure Committee in the House. Uh, and 62 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: we've heard all this back and forth between the President 63 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: and Senate Republicans. Uh. The Senate being traditionally, I guess, 64 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: more bipartisan than the House. But I'm curious what you 65 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: see your role as we're gonna hear apparently from Senate 66 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: Republicans sometime early this week on a counter offer that 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: they send to the president. But do you have an 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: opportunity to shape this infrastructure bill if it really is 69 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: a bipartisan bill, what's your role going to be? And 70 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: how early do you get in on this process to 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: to shape that bill. I hate to hate to throw 72 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: you know what's out with this, but it really all 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: depends if the Democrats feel that they have two D 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: eighteen votes in the House, then the role for the 75 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: Republicans is going to be limited like it's been limited 76 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: for the entire the entire time we've been here. A 77 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: lot of bills have just not even gone through committee. 78 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: They go right to the floor and it's up or down, 79 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: and it's usually a straight party line vote. With very little, 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, talking back and forth, and so you know, 81 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: this infrastructure hope it's a little bit different. I know 82 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: that there are some Democrats that are not really happy 83 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: about some of the proposals of the president hiking taxes, etcetera. Um, 84 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, things that may not be and are not 85 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: considered infrastructure as part of this two point three trillion dollars. 86 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: And so let's see what happens in the Senate. And 87 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: in the Senate, UH is going you know back fourth 88 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: and it's not quite the two point three trillion dollars, 89 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: and maybe we can have a voice here on on 90 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: the House side. Well, I guess my real question then, Congressman, 91 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: is do you think it's worth having these bipartisan talks, 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: especially you know last week where we heard from Senator 93 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: Roger Wicker after one of these meetings saying it was 94 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: pretty clear that the President is going to try to 95 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: do something bipartisan on infrastructure at first, but then Democrats 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: can always do something partisan after that, and they can 97 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: use the budget reconciliation process to get something through the 98 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: Senate on maybe the leftovers. Do you how invested are 99 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: you in working with Democrats on this and is it 100 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: worth it to make a bunch of concessions if Democrats 101 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: are going to then just try to get everything they 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: want in a partisan way afterward in a subsequent bill. No, 103 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I think I think it's worth to say, look, this 104 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: is this is the kind of bill that we want 105 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: to present that to the American people. Um, and then 106 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: the Democrats want to go on their own and and 107 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: pass their version. And then they passed their version. I mean, 108 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: that's what the majority holding the majorities all about. I mean, 109 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, we thought that coming into this Congress with 110 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: the Democrats holding a five or six feet you know, majority, 111 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: that hey, there would be a lot more room for 112 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: back and forth between Democrats and Republicans and really come 113 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: to some kind of consensus, you know, compromise. That's what what, 114 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: hopefully it was democracy is all about. But uh, that's 115 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: not hasn't been the case. I gotta take my head 116 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: off to the speaker. She has held her her conference 117 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: with an iron fist. Uh, there's only been i'd be 118 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: I believe in the time I've been here, there's only 119 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: been a couple couple of Democrats that have ever crossed 120 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: them and voted no on a Democrats sponsored bill, and 121 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: that was the COVID relief package, where I believed two 122 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: of them voted against the COVID relief package. Every outside 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: of that, everything has been you know, she's held her 124 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: her conference pretty tight. And so again I think it's 125 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: a good exercise. I hope, I hope we can get 126 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: to it and uh and then come come back and 127 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: give our our version. This is what we want to 128 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: do now, Republicans are we are willing to sit down 129 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: and we we also believe that there is a need 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: for infrastructure. We need infrastructure for our roads, we need 131 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: infrastructure for our bridges, traditional infrastructure, and then maybe some 132 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: non traditional infrastructure. I'd like to see money invested in 133 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: bringing back companies to the United States, companies that are 134 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: critical to our supply chain um and I think that 135 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: that is you know, I can consider that infrastructure and 136 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: then also get that will also you know, barely pay 137 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: for itself versus you know, some of the stuff that 138 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: that the Democrats want to do. That in the end, 139 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: it's just going to call you know, our children and 140 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: our grand child are gonna end up paying for what 141 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: they call infrastructure far into the future. Congressman Emily Wilkins here, 142 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask, since we're on the topic of 143 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: voting and what bills can pass. This week, the House 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: is set to vote on a commission to examine the 145 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 1: riots in the capital on January six, after a major 146 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: breakthrough last week where the top Democrat and Republican on 147 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: the Homeland Security Committee finally came to an agreement as 148 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: to what the commission should look like. Now the House 149 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: needs to vote on it. The writers, they said that 150 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: they were trying to stop the process of certifying the 151 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Electoral College votes. You yourself did vote against certifying the 152 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: vote for Arizona and Pennsylvania. At this point, are you 153 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: planning to vote for the commission to look into the 154 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: January six riots? Well, I got to look into the 155 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: details of it. John Captain are are are very good 156 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: friends and I respect him tremendously. Uh. He had We've 157 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: had some back and forth um text messages between he 158 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: and Homeland Security you know, members, And so I'll look 159 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: at it and then see what if it's uh, he's 160 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: he's uh, you know, he says that we got a 161 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: lot out of it. And if that's the case, then 162 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, I have no problem in examining and examining 163 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, what caused it, what happened? Also why why 164 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: how in the world, you know, people got access to 165 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: the capitol. You know, we need to look also at 166 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: at what was the posture, who who? What were the 167 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: rules of engagement that were given to Capitol police and others? What? What? 168 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: What about communications with different agencies? Was there a breakdown 169 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: there or was there never really a good plan for communicating? 170 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: Because look, I was mayor of Miami Dade County and uh, 171 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: and I wasn't I've been an incident commander basically for 172 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: all of my life. I was a firefighter, I was 173 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: a fire chief, I was a city manager and then 174 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: finally mayor strong mayor of Miami Dade County. I was 175 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: also the sheriff of Miami Dade County as being the mayor, 176 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: and so I understand, you know, incident command. And so 177 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's uh something that I really want 178 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: to take a look at and see what exactly happened, 179 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: what caused it, um, you know, and then and go forward. 180 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: But you know, I've got to take a look at 181 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: the details before I commit to saying yes or no 182 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: to that. And by the way, when I voted against 183 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: Arizona in Pennsylvania, that would not have turned over the result. 184 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: The results would have been the same Joe Biden. It 185 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: still would have been the President United States. So I 186 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: didn't go to overturn the election. I just had problems 187 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: with those two states, unlike in two thousand five when 188 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: a number of Democrats wanted to overturner overturn Ohio, and 189 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: that would have actually changed the optimum of that election. So, 190 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think we need to be to be 191 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: consistent and uh, and how we phrase things. Congressman, I 192 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: want to make sure I get in a question on 193 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: the probably the biggest story of the day, on the 194 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: Israel Palestine conflict. I really want to know. I saw 195 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: you put out a statement, I saw it on Twitter 196 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: on the US standing with Israel. But is there any 197 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: degree to which you think the US government has a 198 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: role in trying to lower the temperature pushback at all 199 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: on an ally? You know there's there's uh some pushback 200 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: from the left on a weapons sale to Israel. Is 201 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: there is there any way you think the US government 202 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: has a role to try to h to pull them 203 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: back a bit. I think the US woman has a 204 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: role in in the region and has to, you know, 205 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: try to um bring peace senstability to the region. I 206 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: just you know, I think it's it's an interesting coincidence. 207 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: I guess that a hundred days is into a new administration, 208 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: we were ending up with this kind of fighting going 209 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: on in Israel, and for some time before it wasn't. 210 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: It's probably my thought is that the States, when they 211 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: stand firmly behind Israel, it is a disincentive for for 212 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: Hamas Hezbollah to take them on because the United States 213 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: is firmly behind Israel. Look, in this case, this was 214 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: this started out as an an eviction notice on a 215 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: number of Palestinian families, and this was a conflict that 216 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: have been going on for fifty years. Congressman, I hate 217 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: to cut you off. Thank you so much for joining us. 218 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Carlos Semenez, Congressman from Florida. We'll be right back and 219 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: keep talking about that. Jack Fitzpatrick with Bloomberg. This is 220 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Emily will get 221 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: in here with Bloomberg Government congressional reporter Jack Fitzpatrick and 222 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics politics contributor Jeanie Shanzin. We've just heard from 223 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Florida Republican Congressman Carlos jmenez A. Last week he introduced 224 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: a House resolution condemning the terrorist attacks by Hamas against 225 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: the State of Israel and to reaffirm Congressional support for 226 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: the US Israeli as allions. More than sixty lawmakers have 227 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: signed onto that resolution so far. But Democrats are also 228 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: pressuring Biden at this point, particularly some progressive Democrats who 229 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: are more sympathetic to Palestinians. Uh. We actually had Senator 230 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders in a New York Times op ed, come 231 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: out with some really strong words for prime a Israeli 232 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Netton Yahoo. He criticized Netanyah who's behavior 233 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: as undemocratic and racist and said he was marginalizing and 234 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: demonizing Palestinian citizens. Genie, it sounds like there are sort 235 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: of very strong opinions on on both sides. I don't 236 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: think that's a big surprise with this particular issue. What 237 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: kind of pressure is President Biden under at this point 238 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: to to address the Israeli Palestine in conflict. I thought 239 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: it was a fascinating response to Jackson your questions about 240 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: Israel um from the congressman because, of course, as you mentioned, 241 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: their colleagues in the House and the Senate. The Democrats 242 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: are fractured, and as you mentioned, putting some pressure on 243 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: President Biden. But what I didn't hear the congressman talk 244 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: about was the fact that during the Trump administration, the 245 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: US essentially checked out of the process of being a 246 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: moderating force who could talk to both sides, both you know, 247 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: the Palestinians and the Israelis, and so they've left the 248 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: Biden administration in this position of really having their arms tied. 249 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: It's gonna take a long time for the Secretary of State, 250 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: for the President, for the administration as a whole, for 251 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: the United States to become that sort of moderate broker again. 252 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: And with this fracturing of the Democratic Party that I 253 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: think there are big questions as to whether a democratic 254 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: administration now can do that, and certainly a Republican administration, 255 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: just the previous one at least checked out of that role. 256 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: So to me, I think the United States in a 257 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: very tough position here. Well, Jennie, I I was getting, 258 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: I guess a little confused during the congressman's answer, because 259 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: he did sort of pivot to a, ah, we're in 260 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: the early stages of this Democratic administration and things are 261 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: getting bad. It was maybe a bit of a partisan 262 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: answer there, but I'm I'm not sure how partisan this 263 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: is going to be as it plays out. For one, 264 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: it's not just the Bernie Sanders types who are getting 265 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,479 Speaker 1: outspoken on this. There was a letter with twenty nine 266 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: Senate Democrats. They are Democrats, but that's the majority of 267 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: the Senate Democratic Caucus calling for a ceasefire. And then 268 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: we actually saw that, uh statement yesterday from Senators Chris 269 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: Murphy and Todd Young, the Republican from Indiana, using a 270 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: both sides language, saying both sides must recognize that too 271 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: many lives have been lost, sort of sharing blame with Israel. Uh, 272 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: what is your take on? Is this absolutely a partisan 273 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: issue where Republicans are going to hammer away at Biden 274 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: or is there any chance that Republicans say, look, we 275 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: we agree that Israel shares some responsibility despite the political 276 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: risks of calling out an ally. I don't think you 277 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: know my view, at least at this point, we haven't 278 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: heard many Republicans take the view that they are going 279 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: to hold Israel responsible into any stretch of the imagination. 280 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: So haven't heard that yet. Um, you know, I am 281 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: not even sure that I would define this purely as 282 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: a partisan issue. I think these are long entrenched views 283 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: and put really the Biden administration in a very difficult predicament. 284 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: You know, I was hearing just before we came on 285 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: the air the air that the Secretary of State had 286 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: said that he still had not seen evidence from Israel 287 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: about the hit on the p Al Jazeera building that 288 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: got so much coverage, so you know, the security and 289 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: and what they were looking for in terms of weather. 290 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: In fact, they had you know, grounds to do that. 291 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: I think that, to me was a big statement on 292 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: Anthony B. Lincoln's part to say we want evidence to 293 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: support the claim that there was Hamas operating in that 294 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: building and didn't see it yet. So, you know, they 295 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: are in a tough predicament. And I think that Republicans 296 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: are sticking to where they have been for some time. 297 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: But I think it's this progressive Democrats that are moving 298 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: even further from where they were during say the Obama administration, 299 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: when I think, at least in my view, we started 300 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: to see this movement towards publicly supporting the Palestinians. We 301 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: have news right now just crossing the terminal President Biden 302 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: spoke this afternoon with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netan Yahoo, 303 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: in which the President Biden called express to support for 304 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: a ceasefire. They also discussed US engagement with Egypt and 305 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: other partner is Um. The President this is kind of 306 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: along the lines with what we've already heard from President 307 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: Biden to a certain extent calling for peace in the region, 308 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: calling for both sides to to end this conflict peacefully. 309 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Genie, I think you really made an interesting 310 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: point there and sort of how Biden is holding the 311 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: line in a sense, but you've seen progressive sort of 312 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: go ahead and move a little further to the left. 313 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: We have just a ten ten thirties or so seconds here, 314 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: But how do you think this is going to play 315 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: out with Progressives and Biden. Will they eventually convinced Biden 316 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: to to sort of move more to the Palestinian support 317 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: side of things. I I think he will publicly continue 318 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: this line where Israel has a right to defend itself, 319 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: but publicly also say please move towards the ceasefire and 320 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: let's get some of our partners in there, as you 321 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: mentioned Egypt and others to broker a seap our ceasar. 322 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: To me, the question is what happens after that? Absolutely well, 323 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: this is a story we will definitely be continuing to following. 324 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm Jack Fitzpatrick. I'm year with Bloomberg Government reporter Emily 325 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: Wilkins and Bloomberg Politics contributor Jeanie Schanzano. Genie, I've got 326 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: a double back on the big news that just just 327 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: popped up on the Bloomberg terminal. President Biden expressed his 328 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: support for a ceasefire in a call today this afternoon 329 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nutt and Yahoo. I have 330 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: been trying to figure out, you know, especially earlier today 331 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: when White House Press Secretary Jen Saki was asked about 332 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: this issue, and you know, she wouldn't use the word disproportionate. 333 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: She was asked if the White House thinks this is disproportionate, 334 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: and that they were being so careful with the exact 335 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: phrasing that they use, what would offend an ally and 336 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: all of that, Genie, How significant is it for the 337 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: President just to say a ceasefire would be a good idea? 338 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: Is that a really significant step forward? How careful is 339 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: he being right now? They are being careful and and 340 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: I heard Jensaki as well, and and the President has 341 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: been asked about this question about the disprop portunate response. 342 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: In the New York Times this morning, for instance, they 343 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: were talking about war crimes in terms of the disproportionate 344 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: response of Israel, but also of course from the Gaza side, 345 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: the Palestinian side as well. So it's something the President 346 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: is going to be asked as these absolutely horrendous pictures 347 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: keep coming through, and so I think it is significant 348 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: that today he said to you know, arguably our closest Dalet, 349 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: if not one of the closest, that we've got to 350 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: broker a cease fire here. And I don't think we 351 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: can let the domestic side of this go unstated, in 352 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: terms of Benjamin N. Yahoo's position in Israel fragile as 353 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: it was before this started, and also in terms of Hammas. 354 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: You know, people keep saying, and I think it's worth 355 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: underscoring not in Yahoo and Hamas are the political winners 356 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: of a horrific, horrific violence over the last week. And 357 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: the President is going to have to deal with that. 358 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: But given it's our closest ally, he's got to do 359 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: it very very carefully. So I one other thing I 360 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: thought was really interesting from our interview early with earlier 361 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: with Congressman Carlos Jimenez was his kind of laid back 362 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: answer on infrastructure. You know, I asked, what does it 363 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: mean for Republican if it appears that Democrats are likely 364 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: to a work with you on a bipartisan UH infrastructure bill, 365 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: but then try to get everything else they wanted in 366 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: a more partisan way UH in a in a subsequent bill. 367 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: As Roger Wicker, a Senate Republican who met with the 368 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: President last week, said, um, I was a little surprised 369 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: that the Congressman didn't seem to mind and said, well, 370 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: we can work with them, and that's not going to 371 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: throw us off. Emily, what did you make of that 372 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: shrug of the shoulders from the congressman saying well, Democrats 373 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: can try to do whatever they want later. And I 374 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: think one of the key things here is to remember 375 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: that this is a House Republican And there's something that 376 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Chuck schumer Um has said a couple of times that 377 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: if you sort of look at the four quadrants of 378 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: Congress Senate Republicans, Democrats, House Republicans, House Democrats, the worst 379 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: one to be in is the House minority. And so 380 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, you've seen about all these bipartisan 381 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: discussions with President Biden. Those are all senators. So I 382 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: think for a certain extent extent, people like the congressman, 383 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: they are sort of in the waiting to see what 384 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: happens with the Senate. If the Senate is able to 385 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: go through is something, then maybe the House Republicans can 386 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: get a little bit more engaged. But at this point, 387 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean, there doesn't need to be a single House 388 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: Republican to pass an infrastructure bill. It's all in the 389 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: Senate where you need those ten Republicans to sign on 390 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: for anything. Now. Another big piece of news today was 391 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: on vaccine sharing. The news that came out earlier today 392 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: that the US is going to take twenty million doses 393 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: of not astra zeneca, but the vaccines that were planned 394 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: to use to be used in the U s. Fiser Maderna, 395 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson. And that's in addition to eighty million 396 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: astra zeneca shots. It makes me think that maybe this 397 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: is a really significant reflection of where the US is 398 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: in terms of we're actually at the point where we 399 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: we can't get them all out the door here. We 400 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: might as well give some away, Or am I overstating that, Genie, 401 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: What does this say when we're giving away the vaccines 402 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: that that we could have used here in the US 403 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: were approved for the US use uh to other countries. 404 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: You know, I think it says um that the United 405 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: States has to play catch up with places like China. 406 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't that long ago that we accounted 407 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: for over a quarter of the world's vaccine production but 408 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: zero of the supply to other countries or beyond our 409 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: own borders, and many, many people were saying that has 410 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: got to change. And so, you know, I think it's 411 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: important as we compete with China to understand that they 412 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: were one of one of the big countries who had 413 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: gotten a real head start on that vaccine diplomacy as 414 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: it's called. So Emily, I wanted to ask you from 415 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: your perspective, has the Biden is the Biden administration a 416 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: little bit too late on this? And can they make 417 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: the case this is in the United States best interest, 418 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: as Jack mentioned, to send our vaccine that can be 419 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: used here to other parts of the world. I think 420 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: that's a really good question. I mean, when President Biden 421 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: today he really got into the specifics of the US 422 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 1: is first foray into vaccine diplomacy today. Let's listen to 423 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: the sound we've got on that. This means over the 424 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: next six weeks, the United States America will send eighty 425 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: million doses overseas. That represents of the vaccines produced by 426 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: the United States by the end of June. This will 427 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: be more vaccines than any country has actually shared to date, 428 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: five times more than any other country. And so I 429 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: think it's sort of interesting with Biden pointing that out 430 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 1: that yes, in a sense, the US is lead to 431 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: the game. China has already been sending out vaccines for months, 432 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: as well as other countries, but Biden is trying to 433 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: make the case that the US is going to be 434 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: sending out more. And I think to a certain extent 435 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: as well, you know, you still have the virus really 436 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: causing havoc and a number of other countries. You saw 437 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: that giant outbreak in India. You're now seeing concerns about 438 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: that string going in the UK. So I think at 439 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: this point, to a sense, the US might be later 440 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: to the game, but I think there's still a potential 441 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: chance that the US is not fully late to the game. 442 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: Also want to touch on. Since we're on President Biden, 443 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: want to touch very quickly on something he said today 444 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: that we're going to have big news domestically. He's announcing 445 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: that in July and the fifteenth of the month and 446 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 1: every month thereafter that those with children will get at 447 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: least two hundred fifty per child per month a direct 448 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: deposit into their account. Jack, what does this mean for Americans? Well, 449 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: I think the biggest part of that is actually the 450 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: announcement from the I R S that most of the 451 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: family is eligible, are going to get this automatically and 452 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: not even have to sign up for that. That's a 453 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: big legislative priority for Democrats. But now a lot of 454 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: people are going to get potentially thousands of dollars in 455 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: tax credit automatically. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On on 456 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. I'm Only Wilkins here with my co host 457 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: Jack Fitzpatrick, and join us as always as Ace Bloomberg 458 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: Politics contributor Jeanie john Zano. Well, Hey, a headline crossing 459 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: the terminal right now. Four Senate Republicans are set to 460 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: meet tomorrow with Transportation Secretary Pete Bude and Commerce Secretary 461 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: Gina Romundo. This is part of that group that met 462 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: with President Biden the other week. They're working on negotiating 463 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: the traditional infrastructure part of the plan, so the roads, 464 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: the highways, the airports. We are expecting soon to see 465 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: an update from this group. They had a proposal that 466 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: they put out last month. They've now met with Biden 467 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: and are planning to update that proposal. But we want 468 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: to check in with one of those Republicans. Pennsylvania Senator 469 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: Pat to me earlier today he spoke with our colleague 470 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: David Weston now to me, he's retiring when his term 471 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: ends in two but we have the sound on his 472 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: prediction about the future of the Republican Party and its 473 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: ties to former President Trump. Most of us learned in 474 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: school that the republic functions best when has a loyal opposition. 475 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: It's better for the Biden administration if it's got a 476 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 1: loyal opposition really challenging it. Right now, that opposition seems 477 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: a little bit fractured, maybe more than a little bit fractured. 478 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: Actually gives a sense of your party right now, particularly 479 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: what happened on the other side of Capitol Hill with 480 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney. Where is that your party going? Where should 481 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: it be going well. So there's uh, certainly there are 482 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: tensions and riffs within our party. But I'd like to 483 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: step back for a second and remember, you know, one 484 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: of the unusual aspects of the American system, unusual among republics, 485 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: is that we've basically divided our political spectrum into two 486 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: big coalitions, one led by the Democratic Party, the other 487 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: led by the Republican Party, and so there are always 488 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: differences of opinions within a coalition that's as big and broad. 489 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,239 Speaker 1: And by the way, the Democrats have it every bit 490 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: as much as we do, if you consider the radical 491 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: left wing and the Democratic Party against compared to the 492 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: more traditional Democrats. So so we've got that, um, and 493 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: we're going to have to figure out our path forward. 494 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: And I think one of the areas that's going to 495 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: be um very vigorously debated among Republicans is whether we 496 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: adhere to a traditional basically libertarian economic approach or we 497 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: go down the road of a more populoust approach. Um. 498 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: President Trump clearly was a populist on an economic libertarian. 499 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: He was a protectionist out a free trader. He was 500 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: in favor of lots of big government spending where most 501 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: conservatives get a little concerned about that, and there are 502 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: people in the party who saw his success in and 503 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: decided that that's the route forward. I don't think that's 504 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: best for our collech I don't think it's best for 505 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: the country to have those policies. I don't think it 506 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: maximizes economic growth. I don't think it maximizes opportunity. But 507 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: that's that's a big debate we're going to have within 508 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: the party. But to be very clear, do you believe 509 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: the reply Coom Party can win in two and four 510 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: without Donald J. Trump being at the head, if not 511 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: actually on the ticket, sort of the de facto leader 512 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: of the party. Oh? I I don't think he will 513 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: be seen as the de facto leader of the party, 514 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: certainly not by UM And I think we've got a 515 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: very good shot at winning. Remember in election, down ballot 516 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: candidates did better than Donald Trump almost everywhere, and in 517 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: a swing state like mine, it was very much the case. 518 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: We won statewide row offices that we haven't won in many, 519 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: many years. We increased our majority in the state House, 520 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: we held our majority in the state Senate, we held 521 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: all our Republican UM congressional seats. UM so and I 522 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: do think the Biden administration is overreaching and it's going 523 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: too far left. And so the traditional reaction of the 524 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: American people when there's unified government with one party and 525 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: they overreach is to rain them in. So that's no guarantee, 526 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: but it is a reason that I'm optimistic that cycle 527 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: will go well for Republicans. You know, it's so interesting 528 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: to hear Senator to Me saying this less than a 529 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: week after his House colleagues ousted Congresswoman Liz Cheney from 530 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: the number three position because she repeatedly butted heads with 531 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: Trump over the outcome of the election. Jeannie read the 532 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: tea leaves here for us. Why have we seen the 533 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: House and the Senate takes such different paths when it 534 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: comes to the future of Trump and the party? And 535 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: what does that tell us for what the future of 536 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: Republicans will look like? The differences in terms of the 537 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: makeup of the House and the Senate structurally right, the 538 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: fact that members of the else have to serve two 539 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: years and then run for re election, which means, as 540 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: you and Jed know, they are continually running for re election. 541 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I think to me is 542 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: right to be optimistic about Republicans um you know, potentially 543 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: doing very well in twenty two. History tells us that 544 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: the census numbers were on their side. The reapportionmate that's 545 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: likely to occur as a result mostly in the hands 546 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: of Republicans. I think for as a political scientist, what's 547 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: a bit frustrating to me is there's very little talk 548 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: about revising. What is driving all this and that is 549 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: the fact we rely on primaries. Most of these Republicans 550 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: in office don't feel that Joe Biden is, you know, 551 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: not the president. They don't feel the election was stolen. 552 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: They're saying this because they have to run in primaries 553 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: in which the more extreme members of their parties will 554 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: be voting. That's no way to run a democracy. But 555 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: there's a very little discussion of that. You know. There 556 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: are a couple of things really stood out to me 557 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: from that interview. One uh, to me, laid out sort 558 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: of an opposition and to Trump. He called him out 559 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: on big government spending and said he's not a free trader. 560 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: There's an ideological argument pretty much against Trump as the 561 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,239 Speaker 1: head of the Republican Party. But one thing I've been 562 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, and I really am curious, genie, 563 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: what you make of this? Is nobody treated John McCain 564 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: like this after two thousand and eight. You know, the 565 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: Republicans in the recent past have successfully transitioned to a 566 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: minority party that's positioned to bounce back successfully as they 567 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: did in after two thousand eight went badly for them. 568 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: And I just am confused by a party losing the majority, 569 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: losing the House, Senate, and White House, and then rallying 570 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: around one head of party figure rather than as they 571 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: did leading up to a grassroots approach. Whatever you think 572 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: about the Tea Party that helped Republicans bounce back very 573 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: quickly after losing, can you explain to me, I mean, 574 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: is this a party Genie that just uh, it doesn't 575 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't prepared to go into the minority, or how 576 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm confused about their strategy becoming a minority party and 577 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: trying to bounce back. You're right to bring up the 578 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: the ideological fissure, which which is real. You know. My 579 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: reading of this is that the members feel that Donald 580 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: Trump is still popular in their districts, and again they 581 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: have to run in primaries. They have to raise money 582 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: to win these primaries in order to win their districts. 583 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: I think that's what's explaining this. A lot of people 584 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: talk about Trump and a cult of personality, but the 585 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: fact is he is they The thinking is he remains popular, 586 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: but there's some evidence he's not. You know, look at 587 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: the r n c C not giving its own members 588 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: numbers which show his decline in support in key districts. 589 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: So I think it's a big question mark. I do 590 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: think Republicans do well in two but I think it's 591 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 1: in spite of Trump and not because of him. Absolutely. Well, Hey, 592 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: it is five pm, it is Monday. Congratulations, you've made 593 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: it through the first day of the week. Hopefully everyone 594 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: had a good weekend and managed to stay more dry 595 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: than Jack and I did. We went to a colleague 596 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: of ours going away party, bon Voyage Sean will miss you, uh, 597 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: and we both got slightly drizzled on on our route there. 598 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: But you know what, that's behind us. We survived and 599 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: we are looking forward to the week ahead. Jack, We've 600 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: got Congress is in session, obviously, always a lot going 601 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: on with President Biden. What are you keeping an eye 602 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: on in the upcoming week? Yeah, so I think there's 603 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: going to be a busy upcoming week because Congress is 604 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: supposed to leave soon after this week, so they try 605 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: to cram everything at the end of their voting period. 606 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, the House is supposed to vote on this 607 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: January six commission, this bipartisan commission that there was I 608 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: guess a handshake deal on in a bipartisan way among 609 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: House members, and then the next day on Thursday, they're 610 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: supposed to vote on this Capital Security bill. For anybody 611 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: listening in the DC area, I know this is such 612 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: a local issue, but it's they're not doing a permanent 613 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: fence as part of this bill. It's a retractable fence 614 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: or pop in fencing. But they've got a bill to 615 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: try to uh bolster security in Congress. One interesting thing though, 616 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: is this really has been led by the House, and 617 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: it seems that there has not been a ton of 618 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: communication even with Senate Democrats. We've heard from the Senate 619 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: Appropriations chairman is in charge of spending over their Patrick 620 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: Lahy saying I'd like to see this commission go through 621 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: before we redo security at the Capitol. So it's got 622 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of a muddled path forward. But this 623 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: January six stuff is gonna be very interesting this week. Yeah, 624 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: and you know it's taken them so many months to 625 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: actually get to this point. Even though Jack is you 626 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: correctly point out the path forward isn't clear, at least 627 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: we have finally seen some progress here after just months 628 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: and months of hanging the wall. Genie, we only have 629 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: about a minute left. But I want to know. I 630 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: need to know what you are going to be watching 631 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: for this week, And I'm sorry you both got wet 632 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: on your weekend. Um. I am watching for Secretary of 633 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: State Blinkin and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey leave Roth are 634 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: going to be meeting in the Arctic Council and they 635 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: may discuss a possible summit between President Joe Brian and 636 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: President President Vladimir Putin. I think if that happens, that 637 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: is going to be fascinating. So I am watching b 638 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: Lincoln on his trip. Yes, and we definitely saw Blincoln 639 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: I think begin today on his trip, UH, definitely talking 640 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: to individuals who are over from the US and overseer 641 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: serving in Europe. As well as talking, I think he 642 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: did quickly also mention the Israeli Palestinian conflict, UH, saying 643 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: that like people everywhere, both groups Palestines and Israelis have 644 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: the right to live in safety and security, so will 645 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: continue to really watch what Secretary Blinkin's messages while he's 646 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: in Europe. Obviously, the relationship that the U s has 647 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: with its allies is such a key part to the 648 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: Biden administration and to how they are approaching the bigger 649 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,959 Speaker 1: international issues. Well that isn't for today's show. Huge thanks 650 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: as always to Genie for joining us into my co 651 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: host the one, the only Jack Fitzpatrick. I'm Emily Wilkins. 652 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg