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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, This is Jordan Rod Reagan.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited to share with you a new

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Speaker 2: capsule series for NFL Daily called NFL Daily Power Players.

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Speaker 2: As many of you know, I love football. One of

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Speaker 2: my favorite things about the NFL is learning about how

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Speaker 2: teams are built, how decision makers from coaches to executives

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Speaker 2: to scouts to players think, and the process itself of

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Speaker 2: the sport. How people do football is the coolest and

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Speaker 2: I know you think so too.

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Speaker 1: So in these episodes of.

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Speaker 2: NFL Daily Power Players, We're going to talk to football

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Speaker 2: people and learn from them and pull back the curtain

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Speaker 2: of the sport for you just a little bit further.

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Speaker 2: We'll sprinkle these into your feed from time to time,

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Speaker 2: a little extra treat for our loyal listeners. Today, I'm

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Speaker 2: interviewing Brandt Tillis. He is the executive vice president of

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Speaker 2: football Operations for the Carolina Panthers, and that means he's

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Speaker 2: basically the central hub of a vast commands center. Brant

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Speaker 2: directs everything from how the Panthers use their salary cap

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Speaker 2: and handles contract negotiations. He runs their operations, including analytics, data, video,

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Speaker 2: and related tools. He handles the CBA and other legal

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Speaker 2: NFL rule book matters, and he works with GM Dan

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Speaker 2: Morgan on scouting and talent identification in free agency and

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Speaker 2: the draft. Brandt is a football lifer. He worked his

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Speaker 2: way up through the league for years and spent the

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Speaker 2: last decade and a half helping to shape what we

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Speaker 2: now know as the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty. And yes,

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Speaker 2: that means that he has three Super Bowl rings. He

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Speaker 2: loves to build things, which is what Drew Panthers owner

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Speaker 2: Dave Tepper and GM Dan Morgan to him back in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. And that's great news for us because

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Speaker 2: we love to know how things are built.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Here's Brent Tillis. Brand Hi,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining.

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Speaker 2: Me this week. Welcome to NFL Daily power Players. So

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Speaker 2: now moving forward, I guess you can introduce yourself as

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Speaker 2: Brandt Tillis power player. I know that really would be

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Speaker 2: right up your alley about, you know, kind of fly

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Speaker 2: in league circles.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine, Oh, there's no doubt that people would

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Speaker 3: never give me any kind of grief for calling myself

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Speaker 3: a power player, especially my family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're so happy to have you.

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Speaker 2: We are so excited to talk to you today, and

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Speaker 2: I really want to start with this because this is

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Speaker 2: like you know when you ask people, are you a

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Speaker 2: defining quality and question to discern someone's personality in my book,

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Speaker 2: And that is why football?

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Speaker 1: Why did football become your career? Why?

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Speaker 3: Mainly luck? I was not an athlete growing up. I

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Speaker 3: love sports, but was not a good athlete, and sports

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Speaker 3: was my passion, watching sports, memorizing box scores, baseball cards,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to find a way in I was I've

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Speaker 3: the things I'm good at and apply them to things

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Speaker 3: I'm passionate about? In football? Fit the mold I was.

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Speaker 3: of mine named Mark Benain. Mark is now the president

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Speaker 1: I think it's so cool that you.

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Speaker 2: Being someone that, like you said, had a real acumen

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Speaker 2: I love I love that because you said something. I

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Speaker 3: Time, making myself useful was not easy, but it was

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Speaker 3: I've always been able to connect with different kinds of people.

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Speaker 2: There's such a communal I think process element to it, right,

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Speaker 3: the tension that we all provide to each other, and

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Speaker 3: tension that I can provide with with coach Canals and

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Speaker 3: with Dan and the tension that's happening in those conversations

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Speaker 3: is is what's helping to drive our building process. And

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Speaker 3: then you know, you you combine that with with Coach

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Speaker 3: Canals's positive energy and the fact our players are playing

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Speaker 3: hard and the results are they're they're coming and some

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Speaker 3: of them are there, and and I think the best

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Speaker 3: Panthers football is ahead.

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Speaker 2: Of us well as again near and dear to my heart,

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Speaker 2: that makes me happy to hear. I've had so much

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Speaker 2: fun watching you guys this year too. And a great

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Speaker 2: answer to that question is not going to let you

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Speaker 2: off the hook for your third major decision that that

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Speaker 2: you're making here on Mars.

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Speaker 3: You are you already answered it because once, I think,

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Speaker 3: once you have those two things in place, once you've

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Speaker 3: got your vibes, and once you know how you want

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Speaker 3: to lead, you can then figure out, all right, who

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Speaker 3: is going who fits these these parameters and who is

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Speaker 3: going to lead us, who's going to be our head coach,

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Speaker 3: who's going to be our GM, who's going to be

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Speaker 3: our quarterback? Like those So while the fans are getting

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Speaker 3: excited about who it's going to be, and they're you know,

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Speaker 3: you're they're reading the lists of the candidates and who

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Speaker 3: it could be, the hardest part about that process is

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Speaker 3: looking within yourself. And that's the first two questions and

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Speaker 3: now the rest of it, it just it just answers itself.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I wasn't I wasn't lucky enough to

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Speaker 3: be I wasn't able to be part of the interview

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Speaker 3: process with with coach Canalis. But I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: the same process that we used when we hired a

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Speaker 3: lot of good people who who work here now who

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Speaker 3: are helping us win, like Denny Callington, our head trainer

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Speaker 3: and vice president of medicine, Josh Hanks, our director of performance,

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Speaker 3: and Erki Or our vice president of analytics. This is

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Speaker 3: the same process we did for that. It's at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, it's hr and it's really not

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Speaker 3: that much different than scouting, right It's just like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: these are the things we need, Let's find somebody who

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Speaker 3: fits those things. Rather than being compelled by a great

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Speaker 3: interview right like right now, I'm wearing a vest right now,

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Speaker 3: like I look like I just gave a really good

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Speaker 3: PowerPoint presentation. Don't be fooled by this. It's all about

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Speaker 3: what you actually are.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I love that, And that speaks again to

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Speaker 2: kind of your more anthropological.

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Speaker 1: Nature and the curiosity.

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Speaker 2: It's a breath of fresh air brand honestly, because you know,

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Speaker 2: there is so much curiosity in that building and a

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Speaker 2: thinking of you know, what's around the next corner, and

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Speaker 2: how do we do it? Together and you feel it,

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Speaker 2: and I've felt it for a couple of years there now,

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Speaker 2: and it's exciting times.

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Speaker 1: I'm very aware.

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Speaker 2: We've taken up way too much of your time today,

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Speaker 2: but I love I love talking to you about this.

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Speaker 1: I love talking about how people.

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Speaker 2: Build things, and I know you love to think about

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Speaker 2: how to build things. And so we're real grateful to

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Speaker 2: you for joining us on power Players. If you don't

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Speaker 2: introduce yourself one time, at least as a as an

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Speaker 2: NFL daily power Player over the course of like the

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Speaker 2: Combine or something like that, you know I'll have an

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Speaker 2: ear out for it.

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Speaker 3: I think send a T shirt. Make get T shirts

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Speaker 3: made it, send it.

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Speaker 1: That will get you.

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Speaker 2: Actually, we'll get you a vest you're wearing a ghast.

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Speaker 2: We'll put it right next to the little Carolina Panthers head.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 3: Perfect or socks.

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Speaker 1: I guess Dave Tepper would notice if you had it on.

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Speaker 3: I definitely noticed the socks. May have a video from

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Speaker 3: the draft room of him making fun of my socks too.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible brand, what a pleasure. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jordan, it was great.

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Speaker 2: That was Brent Tillis. We thank him for his time.

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Speaker 2: I honestly I could have talked with him probably all

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Speaker 2: day about how he thinks about team building. I especially

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Speaker 2: loved how he has such a mathematical and analytical background,

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Speaker 2: but he it truly is a translator and an anthropologist

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Speaker 2: in that he takes this really human and culture based

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Speaker 2: approach to team building and really resetting an organization in

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Speaker 2: a very, very in depth and layered way, and getting

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Speaker 2: the steps of the process right before thinking.

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Speaker 1: So much about the results.

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Speaker 2: I loved what he said about being really honest about

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Speaker 2: what's lucky and what's actual process. I think that that's

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Speaker 2: actually kind of a rare way to look at things

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Speaker 2: across the league, especially we get so caught up in

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Speaker 2: wins and losses. So thank you Brandt for your insight today,

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Speaker 2: thank you for your time, Thank you to our listeners

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Speaker 2: for helping to make this happen. We are going to

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Speaker 2: be back with more episodes of NFL Dailies Power Players

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Speaker 2: as a season and off season continue, and you can

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