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Speaker 1: Let's do a Patreon Oh please, everyone likes a call
Speaker 1: in show for crying out loud.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: Cozy woesy today. You know, it's it is. This will
Speaker 1: be one of those amazing episodes where it gets dark
Speaker 1: as I'm recording, which everyone loves, and I will slowly
Speaker 1: be sort of less and less well lit until I
Speaker 1: decide to turn on a lamp that somehow has like
Speaker 1: prison like like a prison like light cast on my face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I will be once again Pamela Anderson Stuns without
Speaker 1: makeup at the U a press screening of the Last
Speaker 1: Showgirl in Detroit.
Speaker 2: The way that that is like such shorthand now like
Speaker 2: when I'm like last night, I was trying to put
Speaker 2: together an outfit and I was like, I like it,
Speaker 2: but it's not Sam Stun's a new photo, like, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I do want Sam Stun's a new photos.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I have to say I've been feeling less. I've
Speaker 1: been feeling less and less George Stun's and recently I
Speaker 1: kind of think there's something about the end of the year.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's up, but up or rap up
Speaker 1: in terms of my own appearance, and yeah, like I
Speaker 1: kind of am not putting effort and I'm like, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five there's gonna be some stunning happening. Do you
Speaker 1: have any goals? Actually, yes, I do. Oh really, I
Speaker 1: mean we could do yeah, we could do one year's
Speaker 1: resolutions before we'd get into call kind of okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually have a goal, which is I want to
Speaker 1: write every day.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good goal.
Speaker 1: I think it's simple enough. It's also flexible. Listen if
Speaker 1: I'm busy, even just sitting down and trying to write
Speaker 1: one stand up joke or something will be enough. Doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be that. I'm working on my big opus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think, uh, having a you know, really committing
Speaker 1: to a daily practice is something I've never done. I'm
Speaker 1: one of these people that like doesn't do anything for
Speaker 1: months and then sits down and has like a really
Speaker 1: productive weekend where suddenly I do everything I've been putting off.
Speaker 1: And I would like to not be like that.
Speaker 2: No, that makes sense. I don't have one yet. It's
Speaker 2: too early. I think what I was saying is I'm
Speaker 2: in such a like just get through the day like
Speaker 2: I'm in such a like.
Speaker 1: Same that's why, yes, And I like.
Speaker 2: I literally don't know where else to find extra time,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is my goal? Like I'm pretty
Speaker 2: regimented during the week, but what is my goal for
Speaker 2: in general? I think I do need to like carve
Speaker 2: out maybe not like a daily thing, but like a
Speaker 2: weekly like check in with myself because I am just
Speaker 2: like letting weeks fly by and being like, well, I
Speaker 2: was busy when I was busy, while I was busy,
Speaker 2: and it's like I think I'm just always going to
Speaker 2: be busy, and I need to start to prioritize me again.
Speaker 1: No, I know it's it's sort of the most cliche
Speaker 1: problem to have, but it is just simply so true.
Speaker 1: Like in order to accomplish anything, you have to basically
Speaker 1: be like a task master. You really have to be
Speaker 1: your own like abuse work manager. It was like sending
Speaker 1: you a slack at a Sunday morning, being like, have
Speaker 1: you done this?
Speaker 2: I'm also feeling like a sort of hangover of like
Speaker 2: in LA I've been so like I need friends, I
Speaker 2: need to find my community, I need to find circles,
Speaker 2: and like I need to get involved with people. And
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like, actually, like I now I know
Speaker 2: enough people. I need to like focus on like working again.
Speaker 2: Like I've sort of been like anything for you just
Speaker 2: gotta make friends. You gotta make friends, and you gotta
Speaker 2: get out there. And now I'm like, okay, I've just
Speaker 2: been out all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, there's the pendulum does swing kind of depending on
Speaker 1: one's mood where you want to be like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do hustle culture. I'm actually going to prioritize
Speaker 1: the things that make me happy. And then you prioritize
Speaker 1: them too much and you're like, okay, well, I'm literally
Speaker 1: just going out and I actually do need to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of hustle culture. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: prioritize that too much, and then because that feels good
Speaker 1: when you really are like, damn, I'm crossing the off
Speaker 1: my to do list.
Speaker 2: But the way, like the way sitting next to me,
Speaker 2: just out of frame is a giant pile of clothes
Speaker 2: that I've just like collected over the week. It's like
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I really got to like figure it out.
Speaker 1: No, I completely agree. I have a you know, I
Speaker 1: have a sort of master to do list that I
Speaker 1: just kind of update. It's all one it's always one document.
Speaker 1: I just kind of like updated as I get things done.
Speaker 1: And I made a new one that was like to
Speaker 1: do before I leave, because I'm leaving for the holidays
Speaker 1: in two days, and of course I put literally everything
Speaker 1: I've had to do for the whole year on it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, so now I have two
Speaker 1: days I can do it. Like I have to mail
Speaker 1: fifteen packages, I have to like rework an entire script,
Speaker 1: I have to you know, buy Christmas presents for every
Speaker 1: single person in my family and Matthew's family. In the
Speaker 1: next forty eight hours.
Speaker 2: This is like, so you coded though, like I know,
Speaker 2: I had a thought. Okay, I don't mean this to
Speaker 2: be offensive. Tell me what you think about this. I
Speaker 2: think sometimes you believe procrastination is real, Like you are like, well,
Speaker 2: if I put it off till tomorrow, I don't have
Speaker 2: to do it till tomorrow, and like in a way
Speaker 2: where I'm like, but you still have to do it,
Speaker 2: like the story telling yourself stories where to Live. If
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, I need to do this, I'll do
Speaker 2: it tomorrow. Is you're very good at believing that. You're
Speaker 2: like where I'm like, well, if I have to if
Speaker 2: I have to think about doing it tomorrow, might as
Speaker 2: well do it now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I And of course you are.
Speaker 2: But it's funny.
Speaker 1: I'm like, then I will say then I also am
Speaker 1: actually very in my own way self sacrificing when it
Speaker 1: comes down to it. It's like, when it needs to happen,
Speaker 1: I will, you know, cancel important plans to do something
Speaker 1: because I don't want to disappoint the person that I
Speaker 1: owe it to.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to like miss a deadline necessarily. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then of course that makes me feel even more
Speaker 1: virtuous when in fact it's a completely self imposed prison
Speaker 1: that I'm in, Like, and then suddenly I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: look at me. I'm like really putting work ahead of
Speaker 1: everything because I cancel this dinner.
Speaker 2: And then the pendulums, I'll swing and the next week
Speaker 2: you're going out all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, sorry to drag you right up top.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to no, no, no, Well, we thought
Speaker 1: it would be a fun thing to do to take
Speaker 1: some calls that have been absolutely burning a hole in
Speaker 1: our inbox. We are you laughing at?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, the transition's tough.
Speaker 1: Shall we Let's okay, so let's take some calls.
Speaker 2: Let's take some calls our listeners, O, dear listeners.
Speaker 1: You know, just treminder you can always call it three
Speaker 1: eight five gay guys. And we listen to literally every call.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna play every call, but we do listen
Speaker 1: to every call, especially the ones that are over three
Speaker 1: minutes long. And then someone calls back and is like, Hi,
Speaker 1: this is Mark again, as I was saying.
Speaker 2: We had a three minute long call.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's many because that's when it cuts off.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I appreciate it. Okay, okay, So
Speaker 1: here is.
Speaker 4: One George Sam.
Speaker 5: Hello.
Speaker 2: I like your podcast a lot. I was wondering if.
Speaker 4: You guys have ever considered that you're like bizarro version
Speaker 4: of Uncle Jesse and Uncle Joey, because you're like Greek
Speaker 4: and Midwestern, respectively. I didn't get much further than that,
Speaker 4: but my husband didn't lull his eyes when I brought
Speaker 4: it up, So I love youa.
Speaker 1: I just thought this was a funny call. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, which one is Joey and it's Dave Coolier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I see it, and so it's.
Speaker 1: Like John Stamos and Dave Coolier and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: this actually kind of not to say that we physically
Speaker 1: resemble them that much, but I definitely see the parallel
Speaker 1: and I could see that being maybe a new kind
Speaker 1: of visual that we play with.
Speaker 2: I love the visual. I see it very clearly. And
Speaker 2: is it perfect? Of course not, but nothing nothing is,
Speaker 2: And I think it's it's fun. It's our own sort
Speaker 2: of three tickets to challengers. Please you can see it.
Speaker 1: Okay, next call I Sam and George.
Speaker 6: This is Eric A calling, and I am wondering if
Speaker 6: you two could tell me whether you think we are
Speaker 6: in an optimism deficit or an earnestness deficit, because I
Speaker 6: think that's what our country is experiencing.
Speaker 3: I'd like to hear your thoughts, and this is a
Speaker 3: deep cut, but since I'm here, George, what about Bob
Speaker 3: Sippolski's class was so inspiring to you that you kept
Speaker 3: the Zebra's book wondering and asking for a friend?
Speaker 6: Bye?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Are we in an optimism deficit or an earnestness deficit?
Speaker 1: I know it feels like we've answered this question before,
Speaker 1: but I want to tackle it head on.
Speaker 2: I have one question about this question. Are these two
Speaker 2: separate questions or is this like a binary that's being created.
Speaker 1: I think that there are two separate Okay, great, okay, great,
Speaker 1: because I think those can coexist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. What do you think? You know?
Speaker 1: It's really difficult, so so true. I I know what
Speaker 1: it's tough because we are definitely in an earnestness deficit.
Speaker 1: If you take as earnestness like the lin Manuel Miranda Ethos,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that feels like it
Speaker 1: is on its way out, the kind of like hard
Speaker 1: on your sleeve, vulnerable, constantly on the verge of tears,
Speaker 1: one person show that ends in a pleat for everyone
Speaker 1: to be more civil. Yeah, However, there is an argument
Speaker 1: to be made that that ethos and I'm I don't
Speaker 1: want to call out lemnual Marata specifically, but there's an
Speaker 1: arguments to be me that that ethos sort of was
Speaker 1: always a little bit cynical and I'm taking Hamilton out
Speaker 1: of it, but I just mean, like, was something like
Speaker 1: something like you know at Ted talk about the value
Speaker 1: of kindness, is that earnest or is that in fact
Speaker 1: someone being like, oh the keyword kindness is going to
Speaker 1: do really well with people on ted x dot com.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to sort of like use faulty pop
Speaker 1: science and like anecdotes that are very emotionally manipulative to
Speaker 1: make some stupid point that ultimately does not hold water,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally that.
Speaker 1: But I think whatever that is, whether you defind that
Speaker 1: as earnestness or whether you define that as like a
Speaker 1: cynical similar crum of earnestness that is over like that
Speaker 1: is out. People don't want, you know, people don't want
Speaker 1: a solo show that ends in an uplifting node. People
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want Beyonce to stop a song midway through
Speaker 1: and say the Dictionary definition of feminism.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, they want.
Speaker 1: Something more and something with a little more edge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want crunchy, they want a little bit, they
Speaker 2: want less clear, they want more of like a fuck
Speaker 2: you than a like we all need to love each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And there's actually a way we sort of
Speaker 1: threw the baby out with the bathwater because people were like,
Speaker 1: all you no Miranda adjacent. People are being fake and
Speaker 1: therefore kindness is over, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: I think that the people were like, earnestness is corny.
Speaker 1: Therefore any argument that has as its goal social justice
Speaker 1: or generosity or gratitude or kindness is inherently evil, when
Speaker 1: in fact there are actually like good, pro social ways
Speaker 1: to argue for kindness and social justice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. I think it's it's pretty definitely over,
Speaker 2: and optimism couldn't be more over, I think, I mean,
Speaker 2: with the Trump presidency, I really think it's like no
Speaker 2: side is like this is awesome, like even the side
Speaker 2: that one is like finally there will be suffering, Like
Speaker 2: thank god, I can like make these people suffer. I'm
Speaker 2: fucking sick of these people, and it's like even that's
Speaker 2: not like this is gonna it's not like happy, it's
Speaker 2: like still just like out of anger and stuff.
Speaker 1: I think that the the the little shot of optimism
Speaker 1: we had the single day that Joe Biden dropped out,
Speaker 1: before you could even like contemplate what the next steps
Speaker 1: would be, there was something that was like we were
Speaker 1: being edged for four years and you know, for the
Speaker 1: length of the campaign, let's say, and then finally there
Speaker 1: was like a piece of news that felt good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We didn't even stop to think, like is it actually
Speaker 1: good news. It was just like, well, it's the opposite
Speaker 1: of the thing. We don't want this.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is literally like the Shooter again, Like
Speaker 2: the Shooter also was like it's like, well, this is
Speaker 2: like okay, like maybe maybe something will happen with all this,
Speaker 2: Like this is kind of interesting and it is just like.
Speaker 1: I actually think the Shooter is an example of the
Speaker 1: kind of like it's almost like the Shooter response, which
Speaker 1: is so dark and so enmeshed with like embedded into
Speaker 1: like a sarcastic, ironic tone or something, is like, what
Speaker 1: is replacing optimism and earnestness?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. I think so too.
Speaker 1: So of course, listen, the give and take between earnestness
Speaker 1: and irony is something that is not you and has gone.
Speaker 1: The pendulum has swung back and forth for generations, and honestly,
Speaker 1: neither option is inherently politically better than the other. So
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of how you use irony or
Speaker 1: how you use earnest Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm excited for when the pendulum swings back. I hope
Speaker 2: that we're like because we'll be older, we'll be like
Speaker 2: a little more out of touch. I hope we like
Speaker 2: fully get earnest in a way that's so embarrassing. I
Speaker 2: think that could be really fun.
Speaker 1: It will happen next time the bendulum swings back. We
Speaker 1: will absolutely be like MSNBC moms who are like, why
Speaker 1: can't everyone just get along? Yeah, we have to buy
Speaker 1: tickets to the Nutcracker.
Speaker 2: I really look forward to that for us.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree that it's gonna be an amazing
Speaker 1: moment of just exhalen. Yeah, finally, Okay, this one is
Speaker 1: very you coded.
Speaker 7: Hi Sam and George, first time caller. I have emails
Speaker 7: before I was on like one of the first Earnestness
Speaker 7: Bonanzas a long time ago. Anyway, this is not related
Speaker 7: to that. You told me to watch Adaptation and Madam
Speaker 7: X and it was great and I appreciate it and
Speaker 7: I have grown as a person because of it.
Speaker 8: Anyway, move on.
Speaker 7: I want to sue something creative, but I live in
Speaker 7: the Midwest.
Speaker 9: Is it worth it?
Speaker 7: And like, for context, I don't live in deep Midwest,
Speaker 7: like I live in Detroit, so like I obviously live
Speaker 7: in like a metropolitan area. But it still feels like
Speaker 7: there's no point in doing anything if you don't live
Speaker 7: in New York or LA. So sorry to bring up
Speaker 7: that dichotomy that is well discussed, however, Yeah, is it
Speaker 7: worth like doing something creative? Or do I in the
Speaker 7: Midwest if I have no intention to move to the coast,
Speaker 7: Like that's expensive. It's so much cheaper to live here anyway.
Speaker 10: And it's still expensive to live here.
Speaker 7: Oh that cheeto and chief, thank you, thank you for
Speaker 7: the information or in help.
Speaker 8: Goodbye.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you take this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should still do it, of course, of course.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I'm out? That's insane o, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is of course you should do stupid bitch, you
Speaker 2: dumb bitch.
Speaker 1: Of course you should do, dumb bitch do Your creative
Speaker 1: time is running out. We are on this world for
Speaker 1: one life only, and you're not gonna pursue a creative
Speaker 1: passion because you live in Detroit.
Speaker 2: I mean, honey, go to the damn open mic. It'll
Speaker 2: be the one of the weirdest experiences you ever see,
Speaker 2: and you maybe will find one single friend if you
Speaker 2: go for a few weeks.
Speaker 1: We are booking our travel. We're booking our flight to Detroit,
Speaker 1: coming to your house forcibly removing you and taking you
Speaker 1: to a local art opening. You're gonna have a glass
Speaker 1: of orange wine and you are gonna network with the
Speaker 1: local artistic community.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I understand. Maybe it's harder, it's like smaller
Speaker 2: scenes and stuff. I also, you don't specify what type
Speaker 2: of creative pursuit you want, so that I also have
Speaker 2: that question does complicate it. But I think in if
Speaker 2: it's something where there's like it requires sort of a
Speaker 2: social scene, I do feel like there it will be one,
Speaker 2: even if it's smaller and there already is one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, needless to say, at a very basic level,
Speaker 1: you should. You can pursue a creative outlet without wanting
Speaker 1: to monetize it, which I know is almost condesce, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, at the very very
Speaker 1: basic level, if pursuing something creative is gonna give you joy,
Speaker 1: you should do it, period, even if it's literally like
Speaker 1: you're performing in front of like an empty wall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's that. So that's layer one. Layer two is
Speaker 1: every First of all, you're in Detroit, which is a
Speaker 1: major American city, but every city has local scenes in
Speaker 1: every art forum like it. There are just always more
Speaker 1: people than you think around you, especially when you live
Speaker 1: in a city. But also honestly, I often find even
Speaker 1: when you're in a non city environment, and also you know,
Speaker 1: if you you are in the in the sort of
Speaker 1: monetizing direction. I mean, dare I state the obvious that
Speaker 1: we are living in a digital global town square, y'all?
Speaker 2: Y'all?
Speaker 1: And the the Internet actually makes it so that random
Speaker 1: people who are on TikTok in Minnesota can suddenly sell
Speaker 1: out arenas in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Shout out to our boys.
Speaker 1: People that are shout out. People that are selling ceramics
Speaker 1: in Illinois can make an Etsy store, and someone in
Speaker 1: Berlin can.
Speaker 2: Order one, and they'll say I got this from an
Speaker 2: artisanal person in Illinois.
Speaker 1: And people be like, oh, what's the what is Illinois?
Speaker 1: So of course you should pursue it. And I guarantee
Speaker 1: you that it will bring you so much happiness, whether
Speaker 1: it's finding a community, whether it is you know, potentially
Speaker 1: in future, pursuing it in a more professional capacity, or
Speaker 1: whether it's just the fulfillment that comes from following through
Speaker 1: on something you've always wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exploring.
Speaker 1: Oh this is a fun one.
Speaker 6: Hey, Sam and George Mary fucked kill Santa the Grinch
Speaker 6: in Frosty the Snowman.
Speaker 2: Thanks by this feels quite easy to me. And I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to be like super.
Speaker 1: Literal, right, No, I know what you're gonna say, kill
Speaker 1: the Grinch.
Speaker 2: I actually would marry Frosty the Snowman and I would
Speaker 2: fuck Santa. Oh I see yeah, because I don't I
Speaker 2: don't want like to marry a celebrity, like I want
Speaker 2: to have sex with Santa Claus and say like, I
Speaker 2: actually had sex with Santa and people will be like, really,
Speaker 2: what was it? Like? Like that sounds fun to like
Speaker 2: talk about at a party, but it doesn't sound like
Speaker 2: if I were Desanta, it would be like all about
Speaker 2: his work schedule, like everything would be like we'd have
Speaker 2: to relocate to the North Pole.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 2: And the Grinch, I'm just like, I don't care how
Speaker 2: fat that ass is. You are a nasty green bitch.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: So how do you.
Speaker 1: Feel it's funny? I need to investigate this, But my
Speaker 1: initial instinct was fuck the Grinch.
Speaker 2: You want to fuck the Grinch.
Speaker 1: And I think there's something about the Grinch being so
Speaker 1: like such a nasty man that you're like, aybaty, he's
Speaker 1: gonna bed Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, but it's incredible.
Speaker 1: That said, I have to say, you know, on a
Speaker 1: literal level, being intimate with someone with such hairy green
Speaker 1: fingers really freaks me out. And so it would have
Speaker 1: to be I'm sorry to say this, a human person
Speaker 1: with the vibe of the Grench rather than the literal
Speaker 1: green Grinch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the green the face is like, so.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's ugly, he's on a track.
Speaker 2: He's on the track.
Speaker 1: I would fuck Jim Carrey before they put him on
Speaker 1: the makeup chair, yeah, when they were filming the Grinch film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I would. I actually would, maybe Mary Santa,
Speaker 1: really I don't know. Maybe I'm feeling kind of power
Speaker 1: hungry today. I totally get where you're coming from. And
Speaker 1: of course Frosty would be such a sweet, caring husband
Speaker 1: and you would just have this amazing middle class life
Speaker 1: in a cabin in the snow. But there's something. I
Speaker 1: think it's the end of the year. I think it's
Speaker 1: me setting years resolutions. I'm like, I want to be
Speaker 1: the first lady.
Speaker 2: I'll say North Pole, I'll say, you're present hungry. You're
Speaker 2: trying to marry the man that makes and gives all
Speaker 2: the presents.
Speaker 1: I'm present hungry. And you know what else I want
Speaker 1: to be. I want to be a gay mister Clause,
Speaker 1: like a gay Missus Clause. And I want my thing
Speaker 1: to be like doing charity work and hosting galas and
Speaker 1: I see it, you know, kissing babies and shaking people's
Speaker 1: hands and honestly being like on the cover of Out
Speaker 1: magazine and the Advocate as like the first game missus Claw.
Speaker 2: That would be amazing. Also, I imagine I'm playing out
Speaker 2: the scenario and like on Christmas Eve, Santa's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have to go do my thing. You know, my
Speaker 2: ass is getting on scruff Sniffies, grinder, Rowler, all everything,
Speaker 2: and my phone is hot as hell, and I'm saying
Speaker 2: who is nearby? Who is nearby? I have one night.
Speaker 1: If you don't think I'm fucking the elves, you're living
Speaker 1: in a dream world. There's just I think what it
Speaker 1: is is like the Santa world is more developed. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Grinch world is also developed, but you obviously don't
Speaker 1: want to be married to the Grinch. But the Santa
Speaker 1: world is so developed that you're like, oh, fun, it's Christmas.
Speaker 2: I like that. I think that's nice, and I like
Speaker 2: that we have different answers. Yeah, all right, before we can,
Speaker 2: I say something please, I'm kind of Grinch coded this year. Really,
Speaker 2: I'm like I hate presents. I'm like turning into this
Speaker 2: like crank about Christmas in a way that is weird
Speaker 2: where I like the vibe. I like like jingle bells
Speaker 2: and snow falling and lights, but I'm like I hate presence.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 2: Present. It's like pissing me off that I have to
Speaker 2: do this and no one is going to even like really,
Speaker 2: it's not like you're getting something for a child and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh my God, this is amazing. You're just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I found the shirt. Do you like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It is making me violently angry this year.
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 1: I am so frustrated. And it also there is this
Speaker 1: part in the movie Friends with Money where Frances McDormand
Speaker 1: I think, is sort of in a depression and she
Speaker 1: has stopped shampooing her hair and she has this speech
Speaker 1: where she's like, I just realized, Like I just shampoo it,
Speaker 1: then it gets dirty. I shampoo it, then it gets dirty.
Speaker 1: Like what is the point of just like doing this
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life? And that is kind
Speaker 1: of how I'm feeling about presence, where I'm like, I, actually,
Speaker 1: I will end it all if I have to keep
Speaker 1: doing this for the rest of my life every year,
Speaker 1: doing this dance of like basically everyone thinks it's annoying,
Speaker 1: but you have to keep doing it, and of course
Speaker 1: you don't want to be the only one not bringing presence.
Speaker 1: I just I really want to get to a place
Speaker 1: where it's just natural to give your friends presents and
Speaker 1: do thoughtful things for your friends and family year round,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to do this like Big Dog
Speaker 1: and Pony Show once.
Speaker 2: Basically all I want is like buy dinner, Like can
Speaker 2: we all just like take turns buying dinner and that's
Speaker 2: like it like bring a nice bottle of something over,
Speaker 2: bring up fancy candle, like I'm sick by something. When
Speaker 2: you're traveling, Yes, buy me a funny T shirt when
Speaker 2: you're in Paris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's a or I don't know. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, when you do have a perfect gift for someone,
Speaker 1: it's so rewarding, but you just want to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well then let's do that. Let's just do the good part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I will, if I have something in mind for
Speaker 1: someone that's great, then also have to buy five cardigans
Speaker 1: for no reason.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's just too much.
Speaker 1: No, I completely agree, And I'm like, especially this year
Speaker 1: that I'm traveling, just like having to think of which
Speaker 1: gifts can I buy that actually fit in a suitcase,
Speaker 1: and which gifts can I buy in my travels to
Speaker 1: bring back.
Speaker 2: I have the same thing, not international, but still annoying
Speaker 2: as fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's it's also I have to say, I
Speaker 1: feel like there was this era where people would constantly
Speaker 1: talk about how gift giving, how holiday gift giving is
Speaker 1: such a bacchan all of consumerism and how you know
Speaker 1: there are ways to be more sustainable about bah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and then everyone just sort of like let go of
Speaker 1: that notion. Yeah, you know what I mean, like it
Speaker 1: now or maybe that is just a matter of our age,
Speaker 1: Like that's something you think of when you're like in
Speaker 1: your team's twenties, and then you get to your thirties
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I gotta buy you know, my
Speaker 1: friend a baby gift because you just had a baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I even thinking about that. I'm like, I have
Speaker 2: like what feels like one million family members, and like
Speaker 2: we only have two like little babies in our family,
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, do we all get that? Like
Speaker 2: it's fun to buy babies things? But it's like, are
Speaker 2: you guys gonna end up with like a pile of
Speaker 2: shit and be like annoyed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's confusing. Here's what I'll say. You know, the
Speaker 1: trope of successful absent father who has his assistant by gifts.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: I'm officially forgiving that tripe. I think I think too
Speaker 1: that is okay, you know what I mean, Like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: guess what, there are other things that I don't forgive
Speaker 1: him for I mean, he should show up to the recital.
Speaker 1: He should be.
Speaker 2: There at the soccer game.
Speaker 1: Be there at the soccer game. He should you know,
Speaker 1: be considerate of his wives, his wife's needs and not
Speaker 1: constantly undermine her. But like, if you have an assistant,
Speaker 1: by all means, use them to buy your Christmas gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I literally want to be that. Now I'm like,
Speaker 2: who will do my shopping for me? This is like,
Speaker 2: so basically my whole afternoon is going to ruin because
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be online and nothing. I'm not gonna like anything,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna have to pull the trigger on something
Speaker 2: and just be like, sorry, I hope you like it.
Speaker 1: The online thing. I hate this actually hate the online
Speaker 1: thing is also I'm like, they should shut down the
Speaker 1: internet for the month of December and that because guess what,
Speaker 1: limitations are productive? When you have limitations, you make better decisions.
Speaker 1: Only brick and mortar holiday shops shut down the internet.
Speaker 1: Shut down the internet for December. The one yes, we
Speaker 1: can keep giving gifts if everyone insists, But the one
Speaker 1: rule is it has to be from a boutique.
Speaker 2: Not to beat New York versus LA again, but in
Speaker 2: La you can't just go You have to go to
Speaker 2: a mall if you want to shop. And it's like
Speaker 2: in New York you have this like romantic like, oh
Speaker 2: is it gonna snow today. I'm like, I'm walking through
Speaker 2: Williamsburg and going into all the stores and finding the
Speaker 2: perfect thing, and every place has a curated Christmas playlist
Speaker 2: and you're like, this is so like there's something a
Speaker 2: little playful about it. Yeah. And here I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I'm logging onto jcru dot com. It is time to
Speaker 2: see what they have. I will look up gift guide
Speaker 2: for witmen, Gift guide for men, like hoping that something
Speaker 2: feels interesting. I hate it.
Speaker 1: No, it's also I just want to say, the false
Speaker 1: promise of a Christmas market, do not piss on me
Speaker 1: and tell me it's training God, not a single thing
Speaker 1: in a Christmas market is worthy of my money in
Speaker 1: any way.
Speaker 2: We should have a Christmas little and then we should
Speaker 2: vomb it because little that stuff is usable as a gift.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, why would I want like a
Speaker 1: little piece of wood that has a carving on it?
Speaker 1: And it says like, nephew, shut shut up the unit.
Speaker 1: There is nothing worse than the Union Square a Christmas market.
Speaker 1: Every year, I think I'm going to go in and
Speaker 1: like find not even that I'm looking for gifts, obviously,
Speaker 1: but like even find a nice you know, spiced hot
Speaker 1: toddy or something. And somehow every year I come out,
Speaker 1: it's like you know a movie where someone comes out
Speaker 1: of you know, a hurricane or something. It is like,
Speaker 1: my hair is just all over my face, my makeup
Speaker 1: is neared. I don't know where I'm going.
Speaker 2: It's no the Union Square market is actually one of
Speaker 2: the worst in the world. It's crazy that there hasn't
Speaker 2: been an expose on how bad it is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like owned by some fucking real estate
Speaker 1: company or something like some developer.
Speaker 2: This feels like such a healthy expression of our negative feelings.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we're popping off.
Speaker 1: I know, I agree, all right, let's care, hey.
Speaker 11: George and Sam. My question is, unfortunately about gay marriage,
Speaker 11: which you have discussed, is in harony, tacky, and nature.
Speaker 11: I am a Mexican and my fiance is Venezuelan. We
Speaker 11: haven't booked in New York, thank you so much. And
Speaker 11: in terms of tackiness versus chiefanys, we were wondering if
Speaker 11: George could give wedding advice when it comes to languages,
Speaker 11: and we're gonna get married in Mexico, and do we
Speaker 11: do it all in Spanish so there's like a fear
Speaker 11: factor for the Americans, or do we treat some English
Speaker 11: for it to be inclusive? Were there any Greek components
Speaker 11: in your wedding, George, I don't know, trying to make
Speaker 11: this as cool as possible with the ingredients that we got,
Speaker 11: which are not good anyway, how to think?
Speaker 1: Who knows.
Speaker 11: Maybe at this point, if you will still only speak
Speaker 11: one language, I think it's, you know, time to grow up.
Speaker 11: Sorry Sammy, anyways, is thank you by got your fuck?
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't want to be prescriptive here because I
Speaker 1: don't know the details of your family. To me, my
Speaker 1: main point is just there's nothing more shape than a
Speaker 1: bilingual wedding. Like I actually wanted to have more Greek
Speaker 1: at my wedding, and I even told my mom that
Speaker 1: I wanted her to potentially do a reading in Greek,
Speaker 1: and she was just very matter of factly like why
Speaker 1: people wouldn't understand this? And I was like, got my
Speaker 1: ass again? But I so my aunt officiated as sam
Speaker 1: can attest, and there was there was definitely Greek elements.
Speaker 1: She called me by my Greek name. She did a
Speaker 1: little bit of like explaining like in Greece we say
Speaker 1: this about a wedding, and she would say like one
Speaker 1: Greek word and then explain it in a sort of
Speaker 1: in a very like America melting pot kind of a way.
Speaker 1: And we also had a Jewish elements because Matthews Jewish,
Speaker 1: so there was you know, it felt very like coastal
Speaker 1: multi cultural white wedding in that way. If you're if
Speaker 1: you're a Mexican and your boyfriend and your fouancees Venezuela,
Speaker 1: and you're getting married in Mexico, and I think people
Speaker 1: will figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you had gotten married in Greece, how would
Speaker 2: that have changed? Do you think?
Speaker 1: I just honestly, I can't even tell you because I
Speaker 1: had never even considered that. I mean, I think if
Speaker 1: it was a Greek, if I was straight, I was
Speaker 1: marrying a Greek person, it was Or even if I
Speaker 1: was marrying an American person, if I was straight and
Speaker 1: I was getting married in Greece, it would probably be
Speaker 1: in a church, and it would probably be like more traditional,
Speaker 1: and there's less, there's fewer opportunities for customization because it's
Speaker 1: just like it's a every wedding is the same, Like
Speaker 1: there's just like certain things that have to be said,
Speaker 1: there are certain traditions that have to be done, and
Speaker 1: then I'm sure the toast would have been like half
Speaker 1: in English, half in Greek and like whatever. But I
Speaker 1: think the wedding itself, people would not have cared that
Speaker 1: it was in Greek because it's basically the equivalent of
Speaker 1: being in like ancient Greek, because you're in a church.
Speaker 1: But I I'm trying to think, you know, I went
Speaker 1: to I went to a lesbian wedding in Mexico. As
Speaker 1: everyone knows lesbian.
Speaker 2: Wedding that rocked the podcast world.
Speaker 1: I will say that was both brides were Spanish speakers,
Speaker 1: but that was all in English, and I have to
Speaker 1: say I appreciated it, of course, because I could understand
Speaker 1: everything that was being said and it was a very
Speaker 1: multicultural crowd. But what I have also founded really chic
Speaker 1: if it was all in Spanish, yeah, and I would
Speaker 1: have actually kind of loved that. So my current mood
Speaker 1: tells me lean into Spanish. But I also think as
Speaker 1: long as you love one another. And as long as
Speaker 1: your families are there and everyone is happy and healthy,
Speaker 1: you really can't go wrong.
Speaker 2: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: Do you were there things at my wedding, Sam that
Speaker 1: you were like, I want to where I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that at mine? Not to trick you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, who the hell is your ghosts?
Speaker 2: I was like, this wedding's for George. Get your ghosts out,
Speaker 2: Show me where this your ghost is and get him
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it was. Your wedding was incredibly chic all around.
Speaker 2: And in the new year, I'm going to ask.
Speaker 1: You how ooh oh yeah this by the way, this year,
Speaker 1: You're year's asolution is figure this out to plan your
Speaker 1: way out. Yeah, that's your year's resolution. Okay, oh, this
Speaker 1: one is a fun one. By the way, I just
Speaker 1: want to say to everyone, we specifically ask for spicy
Speaker 1: and controversial questions, and our listeners are so sophisticated, well read,
Speaker 1: and absolutely addicted to nuance that every single question is like,
Speaker 1: can you please unpack this philosophical question I just had?
Speaker 12: All right, Hi Torton fam, big fan of the podcast.
Speaker 12: You guys are truly my comfort listen in these trying times.
Speaker 12: I want to ask, how do you think about familiarity
Speaker 12: and comfort versus novelty and excitement in your lives? Do
Speaker 12: you have a mixed do you value one more than
Speaker 12: the others? I'm twenty nine and I recently moved to
Speaker 12: Europe for grad school, and I'm now in a long
Speaker 12: distance relationship my grad school plans way before my partner
Speaker 12: and I started dating last year, but the experience of
Speaker 12: it has been pretty challenging, especially for him, which I
Speaker 12: think is understandable. But it's gotten me thinking about why
Speaker 12: I like seeking out novelty and new experiences. And I
Speaker 12: think it's because that's how I feel like I'm personally growing.
Speaker 12: But theoretically, I could also find a way to feel
Speaker 12: like I'm growing without leaving my partner and moving halfway
Speaker 12: around the world, by building community and deepening my relationships
Speaker 12: at home. I guess is one better than the other?
Speaker 12: Is it selfish of me to prioritize personal growth?
Speaker 3: Like this?
Speaker 12: Okay, thank you? Excited to hear it.
Speaker 1: That's by interesting question, is yeah, like, how do we
Speaker 1: do we prefer familiarity and comfort over novelty and excitement?
Speaker 1: And how do we conceptualize the place each of those
Speaker 1: two things has in our lives.
Speaker 2: I feel like I am it's different. Different segments of
Speaker 2: my life are different. When it like when it comes
Speaker 2: to food, it really I really prioritize familiarity and comfort
Speaker 2: in a way that is like almost like I'm like
Speaker 2: selling myself short, like but because like I hate when
Speaker 2: I go to a restaurant and I'm annoyed. It's like,
Speaker 2: one of my least favorite feelings is when like being
Speaker 2: annoyed at like a supposedly nice restaurant, and so like,
Speaker 2: if I'm not if I'm even slightly feeling unstable in
Speaker 2: my life, I'm like, no, I have to go to
Speaker 2: a restaurant I'm familiar with because I just can't do it.
Speaker 2: But that being said, I feel like when it comes
Speaker 2: to other let's say it sometimes sex stuff, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's new, what's new, what's new, what's fun?
Speaker 2: What's fun? What's fun? Anyway, it's like chill out so interesting,
Speaker 2: So it's hard to tell. What do you think?
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely think, if I may be so bold,
Speaker 1: both of us are into familiarity and comfort when it
Speaker 1: comes to like our primary romantic relationships. I think we're
Speaker 1: both relationship girls. Yes, and I think we really value
Speaker 1: we really like. Yes, we love going out, Yes we
Speaker 1: love exploring, but we love being cozy with our man.
Speaker 2: It's true, and it feels less juicy to talk about,
Speaker 2: so we don't talk about it as much, but it's true.
Speaker 1: We love a like Sunday morning of you know, having
Speaker 1: having our coffees together. We love a dinner at home.
Speaker 1: We love being with each other's families. To an extent,
Speaker 1: we love we you know, I think like I think
Speaker 1: we like building a home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do cancers, not to not to beat that,
Speaker 2: but it's very cancer I will say.
Speaker 1: I definitely it's complicated because I want to, like, when
Speaker 1: it comes to art, I seek out the unfamiliar. That's
Speaker 1: like what I want to say about myself. But then
Speaker 1: ultimately it's like I seek out a very specific kind
Speaker 1: of unfamiliar, which is like I want something that feels
Speaker 1: that feels like it would be like written up in
Speaker 1: an art magazine, you know what I mean. Like I'm
Speaker 1: actually not gonna seek out the unfamiliar by you know,
Speaker 1: opening myself up to more fantasy and sci fi for example,
Speaker 1: which is something I've historically never like quite done A
Speaker 1: deep dive on I'm not gonna even with books. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm very interested in reading new types of books, but
Speaker 1: only within the kind of confines of my own taste.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think as I've gotten older, I've become up slightly
Speaker 1: better about that, But I don't know. And then I
Speaker 1: also I think my thing, here's what I'll say. I
Speaker 1: think my thing with novelty is I get very antsy
Speaker 1: when I'm in the same position for too long. I'm
Speaker 1: like always having a new job. I'm always Before I
Speaker 1: met Matthew, I was always moving. I like move apartments
Speaker 1: every year. When I finished high school, I like immediately
Speaker 1: went to college, like the farthest I could possibly go.
Speaker 1: I if I had a sort of more stable professional life,
Speaker 1: I would definitely travel more. I like feel the need
Speaker 1: to take trips.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: So I think in my day to day, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think big picture, I like stability, but small picture day
Speaker 1: to day, I'm like, oh, I want to wake up
Speaker 1: the next day and like go on a trip.
Speaker 2: That's very interesting. I feel like maybe I'm more towards
Speaker 2: the familiar, Like I really like having all my like knowing,
Speaker 2: like I'm obsessed, Like when I was in New York
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with, like I need to find an
Speaker 2: apartment that I can stay in for a long time
Speaker 2: because I don't want to have to think about apartments
Speaker 2: or like I want to find like I'm obsessed with
Speaker 2: like finding stability in order to be in like be
Speaker 2: able to just like have free freedom in my mind.
Speaker 2: And I think because I want to be a little crazy,
Speaker 2: but I need everything to be I feel like I
Speaker 2: can't be crazy until everything's settled, right.
Speaker 1: You need a home base that you can always return
Speaker 1: to so that you can go have your adventures.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even like travel, I like I like going places,
Speaker 2: but it is like it feels like like there's something
Speaker 2: about it, like traveling in excess. I'm like, well, that
Speaker 2: would be wasteful, Like there's something where I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can go on one trip like every three years,
Speaker 2: like which isn't true, like you can just go somewhere, but.
Speaker 1: No, you can, and you can actually do it in
Speaker 1: an affordable way. Like you you know, you develop such
Speaker 1: or I develop such resentment for people that are constantly
Speaker 1: traveling because I'm like, oh, you stupid, rich bitch. And
Speaker 1: then you realize that actually, if you just prioritize it
Speaker 1: and you, and that is where your money goes, rather
Speaker 1: than fucking restaurants and living in New York City. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then there is in fact a way to do it
Speaker 1: on a budget. Yeah yeah, I say next to Q. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do next Q. I do think both of us
Speaker 1: feel the push and pull of familiarity and in a
Speaker 1: way that actually often is paralyzed.
Speaker 2: Say that. Damn. I love Collin shows.
Speaker 1: I know it's so fun.
Speaker 5: I need some advice. What would you do if you
Speaker 5: really like someone, you want to be their friend, but
Speaker 5: you despise their partner. Yeah, let me know, excell So.
Speaker 2: This is a tough one. This is a tough one.
Speaker 2: This I'm trying to think who I have in my
Speaker 2: life that's even like this. Okay, I've got one.
Speaker 1: Damn that didn't take that.
Speaker 2: It does make it complicated. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: the sad part is it will affect the friendship no
Speaker 2: matter what. There's no way to avoid it, and it
Speaker 2: just is like you have to sort of compartmentalize a bit.
Speaker 1: This is something straight people are great at. Just to
Speaker 1: bring it back to gay versus straight, there is something
Speaker 1: I when my when a friend of mine starts dating someone,
Speaker 1: I don't like I take it as this like huge
Speaker 1: momentous event that I will have to navigate, and I'm like, okay, guys,
Speaker 1: like let's all get together and figure out what our
Speaker 1: approach is because this is code read, you know. And
Speaker 1: then for straight people, they basically all hate each other's
Speaker 1: husbands off.
Speaker 2: It's like assumed.
Speaker 1: It's like it's assumed, and it's this weird or not weird,
Speaker 1: but this just like unspoken undercurrent that run through everything.
Speaker 1: And in that sense, they're almost, in their own way
Speaker 1: more evolved because they can actually like hold two thoughts
Speaker 1: in their brain at the same time. Like imagine dinner
Speaker 1: party that's three straight couples and basically all the wives
Speaker 1: like I think the rest of the husbands are assholes.
Speaker 1: And then all the husbands they have like inappropriate sexual
Speaker 1: feelings towards one wife they think another one is too mouthy.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's a mouthy rod.
Speaker 2: Well, you're pointing something. I think it's almost like a
Speaker 2: technique so that monogamy is enforced because you're like if
Speaker 2: you if your wife like thinks that guy is cool
Speaker 2: and like likes, then she's then they're gonna hook up.
Speaker 2: Like it's like no, you have to dislike your girlfriend's
Speaker 2: husband because because if not, then are you trying to
Speaker 2: steal him?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, no, it's basically just psycho sexual mind games. Yeah, constantly,
Speaker 1: well via conversations about like real estate advocation.
Speaker 2: And this is why it's gave us as straight too,
Speaker 2: because if you're hanging out with another gay couple and
Speaker 2: you're like you are vibing with the partner, you can
Speaker 2: almost be like, wait, are we all going to hook up?
Speaker 2: Like so you were like you want to get along
Speaker 2: with everybody.
Speaker 1: I have to say I recently had an experience where
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to really anonymize this, but I
Speaker 1: had an experience where I met someone and I was like,
Speaker 1: I like, turn to my friend and I was like,
Speaker 1: do you know who that is? Why does he have
Speaker 1: such an insane energy? And then my friend was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like we're hooking up and like I brought him here?
Speaker 1: I was like what I And I actually genuinely did it.
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to take an off ramp
Speaker 1: off of my like I had to say like two
Speaker 1: more half bitchy things before I could stop. I actually
Speaker 1: found myself being like, sorry, but I can't stop at
Speaker 1: this day, like.
Speaker 2: The breaks have been cut exactly.
Speaker 1: Like I can't just go go right to being like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: I was kidding, he's actually great. I was like I
Speaker 1: said something. I was like, well, he has a very
Speaker 1: particular energy. I was just like, sorry, I can't. I can't, like,
Speaker 1: I can't just pretend this isn't real. I already broke
Speaker 1: the seal. I'm sorry, I made my first faux pas.
Speaker 1: I just have to make it clear that this person
Speaker 1: is so often.
Speaker 2: I love that you had like double Jeopardy rules where
Speaker 2: you're like, well, already you can't arrest me again. I
Speaker 2: already made the faux pall. Now I'm going to live.
Speaker 1: I could feel myself. I could feel I mean, I
Speaker 1: used to be much worse about things like this when
Speaker 1: I was younger. I would like openly roll my eyes,
Speaker 1: but like, I do feel like I've gotten better, but
Speaker 1: I just couldn't. I don't know, I couldn't. There's also
Speaker 1: something about gay guys. There's just so many of them,
Speaker 1: and you meet them all the time, and you're sort
Speaker 1: of like, life is too short for me to interact
Speaker 1: with this person or so many other gay guys.
Speaker 2: I could be interact I know, life is so short.
Speaker 1: I will say, we're not necessarily giving advice to this
Speaker 1: to this caller. I mean, I think.
Speaker 2: You have to suck it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you just have to suck it up, sorry,
Speaker 1: because it's not worth losing a friend over it.
Speaker 2: And the more that you dislike this partner, the more
Speaker 2: they're going to fall in love with each other for
Speaker 2: some reason one. So you have to like be chill
Speaker 2: about it and then let it happen on its own.
Speaker 1: And it's okay to occasionally, you know, have some friend
Speaker 1: time that isn't with plus one.
Speaker 2: It's great to do that. And sometimes you find little
Speaker 2: glimmers of liking that person that sucks, and you're like, well,
Speaker 2: that was fun, that's true.
Speaker 1: I actually had that this is not someone's romantic partner.
Speaker 1: But last night at Max's there's this one person who
Speaker 1: I've always found. I'm sort of like, why is everyone
Speaker 1: pretending this person is in our community because I don't
Speaker 1: like them? And then last night I actually had a
Speaker 1: great conversation with him. But I was like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: my prejudices.
Speaker 2: Wow, love that. Yeah, that's nice to have happened.
Speaker 8: Hi, this is Shannon. I'm calling to ask you if
Speaker 8: you got turned into a vampire, how much of your
Speaker 8: current lifestyle would have to change and how long do
Speaker 8: you think it would take other people to notice feeling
Speaker 8: like all the usual like can't go out of the
Speaker 8: suddenly you gotta drink blood to live? What would that
Speaker 8: change about how.
Speaker 9: You're currently living your life? All right, have a good day. Bye.
Speaker 2: Well I think people would notice pretty quick here in
Speaker 2: sunny Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 1: Here's my question. Am I allowed to have my laptop
Speaker 1: in my little casket? Because that would definitely make things
Speaker 1: a lot easier if I could, you know, be on
Speaker 1: slack beyond email, potentially read the news while I was
Speaker 1: while I was down there during the day, and then
Speaker 1: you know, at nighttime I'm going to basement.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd really have to focus on the night life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think that it would actually be
Speaker 1: an amazing way for me to go out more, which
Speaker 1: is something I've been wanting to do. Yeah, is if
Speaker 1: I just was a vampire?
Speaker 2: Has there been a movie about a vampire who's just
Speaker 2: like a club kid New York?
Speaker 1: I'm sure there has, Yeah, because it much like yeah,
Speaker 1: much like our point about how if you live in Detroit,
Speaker 1: there are more people than you think that are interested
Speaker 1: in your creative pursuit. There are always more vampire media
Speaker 1: properties than you have literally done it. They have explored
Speaker 1: every possible angle. Yeah, and I'm actually sort of like, good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like vampires. I'm like, I get why this is
Speaker 1: a kind of like one of these cultural tropes that
Speaker 1: we returned to. I get it more than more than
Speaker 1: a lot of more than like superheroes.
Speaker 2: Well, they're literally the sexiness is like built in, Like
Speaker 2: vampires are supposed to be sexy, So it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well that's fun.
Speaker 1: Here's another thing about being a nightlife vampires, Like you
Speaker 1: actually meet so many annoying people when you're out late
Speaker 1: at night that you wouldn't feel bad about eating them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I think that's a really smart point.
Speaker 1: So I guess it would take a few weeks for
Speaker 1: he will note.
Speaker 2: You know, what I've never understood about vampire lore is like,
Speaker 2: I understand they want to drink blood and they're like sexy,
Speaker 2: but like, do they have sex? Still?
Speaker 1: Well, if you're watching interview with a gay interview with
Speaker 1: a vampire on a AMC Plus or whatever streaming platform
Speaker 1: it's on, you better believe they're fucking.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, okay.
Speaker 1: But it you are right though, that like the the
Speaker 1: sensuality comes from the forbidden nature of the touching. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Twilight too. That's literally why it's a warm
Speaker 1: in metaphor because he like, he was like, if I
Speaker 1: come anywhere near you, I will be too tempted to.
Speaker 2: Suckle blood issue.
Speaker 1: So but but wait, is that so you're you're asking,
Speaker 1: which I think is an important question for them, is
Speaker 1: the blood sucking the sex?
Speaker 2: Sex? Yeah? Like, is it all just a trap in
Speaker 2: order to get blood? Or is it? Like, but today
Speaker 2: I actually am horny, didn't want to have sex.
Speaker 1: I'm googling do vampires have sex?
Speaker 2: It's crazy because I can actually see your screen.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yes, vampires can have sex. Okay, well
Speaker 1: that's an AI answer. A vampire's bite is not a
Speaker 1: metaphor for sex. Vampires have sex. Oh, they have grade sex.
Speaker 1: Oh they also need to feed on human blood to survive. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they do both. There you go, Well, that's fun.
Speaker 2: That's fun. That's good to know. I was. I was
Speaker 2: just saying that how much I like, we were saying,
Speaker 2: we like that they explore vampires every way, And I'm
Speaker 2: actually like, I'm now questioning whether or not that's true
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Say more, Well, I'm like.
Speaker 2: I actually, whenever something is a vampire thing, I'm actually
Speaker 2: a little bit like I don't want to see that.
Speaker 1: Have you seen a girl walks home alone at night? No,
Speaker 1: it's really good, it's a it's a vampire move.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I here's what I think about virus. I think that
Speaker 1: the darkness of it makes it so that a lot
Speaker 1: it weeds out a lot of people who would make
Speaker 1: super corny art about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, do I believe that.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course there is a lot of corny
Speaker 1: art about vampires, but I'm just thinking, like, uh, it's
Speaker 1: so much easier to make corney art about like.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was about to say ghosts, but that's not true. Actually,
Speaker 1: ghosts are way more interesting than vampires because it's about
Speaker 1: a relationship with death.
Speaker 2: I feel like vampires it's like it's a very teen esthetic.
Speaker 2: It's very like like the mood, the gothiness is so teen,
Speaker 2: and then like.
Speaker 1: It's Emily the strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like the horniness that's like not really horny,
Speaker 2: where it's like I shouldn't I should, I shouldn't I should.
Speaker 2: That's very teen, even like being like I have fangs
Speaker 2: is so like MySpace coded in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's a lot to be appreciated in
Speaker 1: the an Rice universe. And I do wonder if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for her, if vampires would have fallen off, so
Speaker 1: to speak, because otherwise we have obviously Dracula, yeah, which
Speaker 1: you know, sort of vintage but like outdated. And then
Speaker 1: of course there's all the teen stuff like True Blood Twilight.
Speaker 1: True Blood was cool when it came out.
Speaker 2: I remember, did are you excited to see No Sparatu? Sure?
Speaker 1: I actually haven't seen any of his movies none. Wait
Speaker 1: did he do the Vivic Yeah? Okay, then I have
Speaker 1: seen that.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that one. I saw The Northman.
Speaker 1: Wait, no, not Dave Eggers. What's his name?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Not it Dave Beggars is the author? It is he
Speaker 1: is Robert Eggars. Yeah, okay, so yeah, I've only seen
Speaker 1: The Witch. I know people love the north Man. I
Speaker 1: also was always curious about the Lighthouse with Robert Potwell.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I meant to see that, but but I
Speaker 2: would I would see us Farau too sure. I think
Speaker 2: it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: I I've been uninspired. I know there's there's some good
Speaker 1: movies that right now, but I don't know, I've been
Speaker 1: a little uninspired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what you mean. I mean, even like
Speaker 2: the way that people are like trying to gig guy
Speaker 2: ifi baby girl. I'm like, I'll watch it. I'm excited,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, but I don't feel it deep in
Speaker 2: my soul. Like when Challengers came out, I was excited
Speaker 2: in this. I'm like, yeah, like I'm Nicole Kidman whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: I've heard she's amazing in it, and I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see it. Nicole Kidman works too much and we don't
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to miss her before she comes back.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just remember, like when Mary of Eastown came out
Speaker 1: and Kate Winslied came onto the screen, I was like,
Speaker 1: thank god you're back. Like, and she also works a lot,
Speaker 1: it's not like she was she had disappeared. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: with Nicole Kidman, she's just constantly doing something and I
Speaker 1: somehow find a way to watch everything, and so it
Speaker 1: sort of just feels like seeing a family member again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I'll enjoy it. I'm be excited.
Speaker 2: But the gay guyification fields manufactured or something.
Speaker 1: There's something something about the Oscar season this year. It's
Speaker 1: not hitting in a way I wanted to Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, I'm like, where's the anatomy
Speaker 1: of a fall?
Speaker 2: I even felt like Anora. I thought it was gonna
Speaker 2: be like everyone's talking about it all the time, and
Speaker 2: it like kind of came and went like people were
Speaker 2: like that was really good, and then that's the end.
Speaker 1: I know. I wonder if they pushed her, pushed Mikey
Speaker 1: too soon and people have Mikey Madison fatigue by the
Speaker 1: time it's a time to vote for the Oscars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then you know who they really pushed too early?
Speaker 1: Demi Moore. Mm hmm. People barely remember that.
Speaker 2: Did I say this on the podcast? Already one of
Speaker 2: my dumbest statements yet? If I did, if I think
Speaker 2: I've ha said this, but so sorry, Why is it
Speaker 2: Demi Levado? This is?
Speaker 1: This is well, this is I remember when you said,
Speaker 1: why isn't it Julie Art since it's in art school?
Speaker 2: Well, I would always forget is it Julliard or Juliar
Speaker 2: Jilliard or Juliart.
Speaker 1: Once again, it's so frustrating that after three hours of
Speaker 1: talking on Zoom we can't just like have a drink.
Speaker 2: It's actually quite tough being by coastal. This podcast so hard,
Speaker 2: and it's it's really weird because like when everyone record,
Speaker 2: it's always a bad time for one of us, like
Speaker 2: I am like, and it's hard to quantify, and it's
Speaker 2: even hard to like like when we're in New York. Yes,
Speaker 2: scheduling is annoying, and then we hang out and it's normal,
Speaker 2: and we can be like, well, now it's normal, and
Speaker 2: now we're scheduling all the time and never hanging out,
Speaker 2: and it's like, it's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I feel like it creates. Yeah, it's it's frustrating.
Speaker 1: It is a relationship literally no one would ever be
Speaker 1: able to understand unless they also had a similar, like
Speaker 1: professional experience like it is. It is one of the
Speaker 1: strangest experiences in the world to have a friend that
Speaker 1: you have to constantly schedule chats with to then release
Speaker 1: into a paywall. And then sometimes I will think of
Speaker 1: something and I'll be like save it for the pod.
Speaker 1: It's like that is so humiliating.
Speaker 2: This morning, I woke up with glee that I was
Speaker 2: going to be able to tell you about the pulling
Speaker 2: dick out story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to listen to the
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Speaker 2: That's true. Mama Malma.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, well, I just want to say, first
Speaker 1: of all, I'm very grateful for you.
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful for you as well.
Speaker 1: And we are both so grateful to all our callers. Today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna I'm going we're gonna play a couple more
Speaker 1: calls after this as a little button because I think
Speaker 1: they're entertaining in fun calls that we didn't have time
Speaker 1: to answer. And thank you everyone for calling in. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if we didn't get to your call. But I
Speaker 1: think we're going to try to start putting calls you know,
Speaker 1: here and there and in other episodes too.
Speaker 2: And if you're in San Francisco, come to our sketch
Speaker 2: best show please January seventeenth.
Speaker 1: Is that it seventeenth? Please tell your friends it's a
Speaker 1: Friday night, It's gonna be so much fun, or a
Speaker 1: Saturday night.
Speaker 2: Or Friday, but it is a Weekenday night.
Speaker 1: It's a. It's a Friday night. It's gonna be so
Speaker 1: much fun. I really want to get some good guests
Speaker 1: because you know so many of you are going to
Speaker 1: be in. That's me so fun. We can go need
Speaker 1: to act fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's also kind of a late show.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm proposing. Oh Martinez on stage. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you've never done that before.
Speaker 1: I know, we've never We're such little good at two shoes.
Speaker 2: We really are. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: I'm also feeling like twenty twenty five, we're gonna mix
Speaker 1: things up. I'm thinking I'm thinking new merch. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: new artwork for the pod. I'm thinking potentially even new segments.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking even like mixing up the live show in
Speaker 1: a way. I'm thinking we do little you know, impromptu
Speaker 1: games or something like that. I'm like, it's it's time
Speaker 1: to innovate.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Folks. Marry Christmas, Happy
Speaker 2: New Year, Happy holidays.
Speaker 1: All which is on Christmas Day this year.
Speaker 2: Hey, so that.
Speaker 1: Is called bipartisanship.
Speaker 2: That is amazing. So no matter where you stand religiously,
Speaker 2: that day is gonna pop off. Oh yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 1: I love this, like very slow ending that we're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just we keep talking slower and less focused for
Speaker 1: like ten minutes. I'm actually loving it, like I'm transitioning
Speaker 1: into not podcasting live.
Speaker 2: Oh you're hearing it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm now just chatting and I no longer
Speaker 1: have in my mind. I'm no longer like I hope
Speaker 1: this is coming off as entertaining.
Speaker 2: Wow, Well that's how you know the podcast really be good.
Speaker 1: What are you having for dinner?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's only two pm here, you know,
Speaker 2: I haven't even thought about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for going a lout.
Speaker 2: I've only had a bagel so far.
Speaker 1: A bagel in La Now, honey, let me tell you
Speaker 1: it was gross, but I bet it was bit but
Speaker 1: old habits die hard. Do you like a warm, wintry cocktail,
Speaker 1: like a hot like a hot toddy, or like a
Speaker 1: mould wine?
Speaker 2: I can I can get into it.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna have that
Speaker 1: be part of my identity in the next two weeks. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: big announcement, So look out, folks.
Speaker 2: The way that I'm gonna pretend it's like zero degrees
Speaker 2: when I'm in New York, even though it's not like.
Speaker 1: I'd been pretty cold, has it. Yeah, it's been cold
Speaker 1: this week. I was I actually bought new gloves, believe
Speaker 1: it or not.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so excited. Fuck.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well guess what. If you're listening to
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Speaker 2: You know what this ending is? What it's so like? No,
Speaker 2: you hang up like we have something like neither of
Speaker 2: us were like resisting ending it in a funny way.
Speaker 1: Because I'm also I have errands to do after this,
Speaker 1: and I really don't want to do them. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do to prevent mysel because I've
Speaker 1: already eaten. Normally I would be like, oh, perfect, I
Speaker 1: can eat now and then run my errands, but that
Speaker 1: would be lying to myself. Yeah, although I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make a smoothie.
Speaker 2: Yum. Oh, I want to treat. Yeah, I get a treat.
Speaker 2: I want to go to aralone and get a twenty
Speaker 2: dollars to wait, I deserve.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah you do.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And I would even go further. I would say, get
Speaker 1: a smoothie, but then also get a little snack.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wait, this sounds so good. Okay, done,
Speaker 2: I'm going.
Speaker 1: Okay, done, all right. And by the way, this you
Speaker 1: know we're we know we're being this way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is self aware, so you can't make.
Speaker 1: Fun of This is not what most Patreon content is.
Speaker 1: We are focused. Then, we are literally discussing a film
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: We just don't want to go do our days.
Speaker 1: We just don't want to go do our days. And
Speaker 1: guess what. It's Sunday, December fifteenth.
Speaker 2: And this is I'd like to see our last recording
Speaker 2: of the years, our.
Speaker 1: Last recording of the By the way, I like to
Speaker 1: see what everyone else, what everyone else is doing right
Speaker 1: now at five pm month, Sunday, December fifteenth. Are you
Speaker 1: guys being super smart and super insightful? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. If you're judging us right now,
Speaker 2: look in the mirror and judge yourself.
Speaker 1: Literally look in the mirror, because I know what you've
Speaker 1: done and you will be punished.
Speaker 2: Well, George, you're making them rock hard all over again.
Speaker 1: Well, if that makes your card, then you met to
Speaker 1: listen to the previous page one episode because I have
Speaker 1: to say, I'm like, when you were telling that Penis story,
Speaker 1: I was like, I could see people being horny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was sexy. It was sexy and
Speaker 2: and weird, but but sexy. All right, Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: A holidays, love you, bye bye.
Speaker 10: Hey, Sam and George. I don't know if you're still
Speaker 10: using this voicemail box after the earnest of Bonanza, but
Speaker 10: I just saw Wicked yesterday and I thought of a
Speaker 10: straight shooter and I just felt the need to share
Speaker 10: it a hell to share it. So anyway, here it
Speaker 10: is the boy is Mine or the girl is Green. Okay,
Speaker 10: that's pretty much it. Love you guys, bye a Stradio lab.
Speaker 11: This is some gay guy living in New Jersey driving
Speaker 11: a Volvo to pick up some dinner. I forget why
Speaker 11: you set up this phone line and what it was used.
Speaker 8: For last time, but I liked talking to you.
Speaker 3: That's pretty much it.
Speaker 11: I hope you have a blessed day.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 9: Hello, so crazy. I'm calling because I just listened I
Speaker 9: have a very boring job right now, and so was
Speaker 9: sort of letting Spotify rip and it was playing the
Speaker 9: old episode in which Sam says, I'm sure that makes
Speaker 9: sense and I'm so beautiful, and then immediately afterwards says
Speaker 9: something so infinitely relatable, which is not really understanding exactly
Speaker 9: why a bullet would kill something. He's like, how does
Speaker 9: it go through and why would it? Why would it
Speaker 9: kill it? And George tries to explain in a you know,
Speaker 9: sort of logical way, but just seeing like I don't
Speaker 9: get it, somebody explain it to me.
Speaker 8: I have this all the time.
Speaker 9: I think this is like constantly sort of like no,
Speaker 9: but literally why. And one of my things that I
Speaker 9: often think about and feel almost freaked out that nobody
Speaker 9: else is thinking about, is like how a refrigerator works.
Speaker 9: I feel like nobody's ever thinking about how their refrigerator works.
Speaker 9: But it's one of the only things in our life
Speaker 9: that just makes things colder, and nobody's ever thinking about
Speaker 9: how that happens. Anyway, I'm obviously stoned, but it's just
Speaker 9: one of those things and I felt kinshit and I
Speaker 9: wanted to share that with someone, So thank.
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