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Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, another magical night of baseball. Last

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Speaker 1: night we are live in Chicago. It's the Herd wherever

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Speaker 1: for making us part of your day. A lot of baseball.

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Speaker 1: First hour, great co sal top of next hour. We'll

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Speaker 1: go to New York later in this show. My buddy

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Speaker 1: in O'Connor is gonna stop by. Who's been covering the

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Speaker 1: Yankees for a long long time.

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Speaker 3: Jmac.

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Speaker 1: It's just the wild card round. See, this is what

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Speaker 1: the NBA should do games. You don't need to go

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Speaker 1: back and forth. If you're a top seed or a

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Speaker 1: better seed. We don't need to go to Fenway and

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Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. We're playing in New York. It's three games,

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Speaker 1: it's three in a row. You earned it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know who I like to two young pitchers going in

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Speaker 1: Game three tonight. But the bottom line is massive urgency

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Speaker 1: NBA first Round seven games. I don't have to watch.

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Speaker 1: You have to watch these games. I mean, just unbelievable

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Speaker 1: last night. Now we get a game three to night

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Speaker 1: with two young arms going. So let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: The best thing the Yankees had going for him last

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Speaker 1: night is that Garrett Crochet wasn't pitching for Boston. Basically

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Speaker 1: is I mean, left handers had won sixty six on

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Speaker 1: them all year, so hit it. He didn't pitch, and

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Speaker 1: it was the Yankees who had the better starting pitcher.

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Speaker 3: Last night.

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Speaker 1: Red Sox went to their pen early. So the Yankees

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Speaker 1: have Carlos Roodon going. He won eighteen games. So before

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Speaker 1: And the annaly palytics department, thanks analytics department, they allowed

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Speaker 1: So now they got the better pitcher. Now the analytics

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Speaker 1: he gives them power. But what this game was about

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Speaker 1: is on this night, it was the Red Sox that

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the fifth inning.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Judge hits the ball to left field, usually reliable

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Speaker 1: So in Game one, it was the Yankees making the

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Speaker 1: The Red Sox had another opportunity. Two runners on, nobody out,

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Speaker 3: But again a high.

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Speaker 1: Leverage moment, and the Yankees are the ones that deliver.

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Speaker 1: Now we go to the bottom of the eighth. Jazz Chisholm,

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Speaker 1: who should play every game, give me a break. Athletics defense,

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Speaker 1: throw Austin Wells delivers, so again high leverage moments. The

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Speaker 1: analytics department, you guys love the crush Kora and crush

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Speaker 1: Aaron Boom. The guys upstairs are setting the lineup. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Ben Rice is allowed to play bang jack two nothing,

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Speaker 1: Jazz Chisholm needs to be on the field. Athlete, defense,

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Speaker 4: I thought our defense tonight was, you know, really really good.

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Speaker 4: Turned a couple of big, big time double plays, did

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Speaker 4: some good things on the bases, a homer by Benny

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Speaker 1: But what a game, so Jazz Chisholm reportedly will play tonight.

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Speaker 1: Should I mean again, you're watching the Yankees play. You're

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Speaker 1: He's got to play will Ben, We'll see. But he's

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Speaker 1: He's been on a heater hitting in September. I'd play

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Speaker 1: or four weeks, just play him, Just play him. Baseball

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Speaker 1: postseason has always been about stars in big moments delivering,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think there is a favorite.

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Speaker 1: You got young pitchers who knows okay, let's talk Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: You know, for as much money as they spent, it's

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Speaker 1: a terrifying experience to watch the Dodgers in the seventh

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Speaker 1: they had thirteen hits and eight runs. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the all time great lineups. Rookie Bets last night's insane

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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets gets four hits, three RBIs. Remember early in

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Speaker 1: Scored eight runs without a home run. So it's interesting

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Speaker 1: It's not just home runs. They can grind out at bats.

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Speaker 1: They also got Yamamoto. Yashinobu Yamamoto, their best pitcher came in.

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Speaker 1: He was dealing after a kind of a rocky start.

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Speaker 1: But then you went to the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: They threw forty one pitches in the eighth inning the

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Speaker 1: Dodger bullpen. In fact, in the sixth, seventh and eighth innings,

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers bullpen through eighty four pitches. Watching a Dodger game,

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Speaker 1: if you're a Dodger fans literally like watching a horror

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Speaker 1: the glimmer of hope for the Dodgers is, Okay, can

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Speaker 1: to win. You hold your breath. They didn't hit a

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Speaker 1: bunch of home runs last night. They grind out at bat.

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Speaker 1: They moved the runners over it singles, doubles, driving in people.

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Speaker 1: But the primary concern against ball market Cincinnati is once

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Speaker 3: And here's Dave Roberts in the locker room. There's a

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Speaker 4: My only ass is that every single guy be ready

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Speaker 3: Keep your mind right. We're gonna eat every single one

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Speaker 5: Stay in it, stay focused, keep playing for each other.

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Speaker 3: Let's go it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's all hands on deck against the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: I think my gut feeling is I would take the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: You know, all lines that are bad can't win Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes been blown out twice in Super Bowls. A

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Speaker 1: This bullpen problematic all year long. I will say this,

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Speaker 1: it keeps every Dodger game interesting, Like every Dodger game

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Speaker 1: two young pitchers, I mean, who delivers. But I do

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting, you know, managing the Yankees. I've known

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Speaker 1: Aaron Boone for one while managing the Yankees is I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just different.

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Speaker 3: Games in New York are different.

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Speaker 1: It's like like games at Georgia Alabama just feels different.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are just certain parts of the country

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Speaker 1: all hands on deck. I mean with the Yankees. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: Red Sox bring in Garrett Crochet for two batters?

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Speaker 1: I mean, wild Wild Card Round got three games, you're

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Speaker 1: I think it's all hands on deck. J Mack, that

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Speaker 1: It won't be nearly as much fun tonight. Is the

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Speaker 5: Well we'll talk about that soon. But a big week

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Speaker 6: Yankees win last night in a thriller.

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Speaker 7: They're probably winning today, and you know the Jets are

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't know about the Giants.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they'll say this this year.

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Speaker 1: The Red Sox have played great at Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, everybody, it's like banging on Major

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Speaker 3: It is hard. Jay Macklin News.

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Speaker 5: Start with the biggest story in the NFL, and that's

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Speaker 8: I really don't have any information on that, and I

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not really what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's doing a great job, you would.

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Speaker 2: Say, David, David ten, I just don't say anything.

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Speaker 3: That's what I would do.

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Speaker 6: I just don't want to take a eight tight at him.

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Speaker 3: And we'll just I mean, wait, you out four.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the injury thank you, The injury report will be

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Speaker 5: Yeah, real funny. I mean we gamble on this league.

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Speaker 6: He cares. The least you can do. The least you

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Speaker 2: Just say it.

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Speaker 6: He's not practicing.

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Speaker 7: And there is a chasm, a difference between when Lamar

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Speaker 1: I've told you without him, I've told you before. I've

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Speaker 1: ban the injury reports.

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Speaker 3: Oh stop it, come on.

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Speaker 1: I think the NFL should ban injury reports.

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Speaker 3: Who care?

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Speaker 6: Come on, we're not attacking injury. Come on, you have

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Speaker 7: I listen, I don't need specifics on the exact injury,

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Speaker 6: That's huge. You're just taking that out now, and we're

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Speaker 6: just about this.

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Speaker 1: If I miss a day of work, Fox cannot tell

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Speaker 1: people why. And I'm just a radio TV guy. But

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, a pro league worth billions, if a

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Speaker 1: player is hurt, you got to be specific.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know you are a quarterback in high school.

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Speaker 6: But you're you're a TV radio guy.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't. I just I don't like the injury.

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Speaker 1: If I was a coach, I would be Bury, John Harbaugh, Belichick.

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Speaker 7: I'd be like, we'll see, well, it looks like it's

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Speaker 7: Cooper Rush and the Texans are favored by one and

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Speaker 7: a half. Next up Colin another injury plagued game, and

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Speaker 7: that's tonight, Thursday Night football.

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Speaker 6: I know it doesn't have.

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Speaker 7: The glimmer that it usually would when shanahan and mcvego

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Speaker 7: at it. But no Purty, no Jennings, no Pearsol, no Ayuk.

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Speaker 7: So that's wide receivers one, two and three and QB

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Speaker 7: one and Kittles out and Bosa's out. I mean, this

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Speaker 7: is this is rough and you can see what the lines.

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Speaker 3: At least they have that, at least they have their

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Speaker 3: best quarterback playing. Wow.

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Speaker 7: Wow, Mac Jones, he and Christian McCaffrey and Fred Warner

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Speaker 7: basically against the entire Rams team.

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Speaker 6: I'm just curious. This is a divisional matchup.

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Speaker 3: No, it'll be close because it'll be a touchdown game.

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Speaker 6: Are you taking the eight and a half.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I already told you it's it's five and a half.

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Speaker 1: I loved the rams. This is one of those lines

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Speaker 1: you had to jump on early. That's not always the case.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you do get better lines closer to the game.

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Speaker 1: This line and all the you kind of hemming and

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Speaker 1: hauling on the injuries, We're all like, oh, they're kind.

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Speaker 3: Of beat up.

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Speaker 1: This was the second best bet on the board on

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Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday. Now it's a stayaway game.

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Speaker 6: Now, listen.

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Speaker 7: The injuries are a story in the London game. They're

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Speaker 7: all over the league. It's a thing. I am gonna

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Speaker 7: just ask you this.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that Shanahan is a little tick that

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Speaker 5: he's got to play a Thursday game against his division rival.

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Speaker 3: I don't think early on.

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Speaker 7: The season, he's just like, guys, just sit out. We

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Speaker 7: don't need I mean, are we going to see McCaffrey

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Speaker 7: get shut down after a quarter and a half?

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Speaker 6: Two quarters?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think coaches like Thursday games. But it's the

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Speaker 1: machine known as the NFL. So some streamer comes in

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Speaker 1: and gives them billions of dollars and they say, okay.

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Speaker 5: Yes, final story Colin, Oh gosh, we got to talk

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Speaker 5: about him briefly. The Shedure pantomime yesterday I mean, we've

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Speaker 5: never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 7: The internet was just went crazy. But of course Deon

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Speaker 7: Sanders keeps the flame going. He went on Instagram and

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Speaker 7: backed up his son. Here we go, good one, son.

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Speaker 7: You did that with like a bunch of laughing moojis.

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Speaker 1: Well, he said, Dad he should support He doesn't care

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Speaker 1: what we think. Dad should support their son.

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Speaker 6: Do you think he cares what the NFL thinks?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's I mean, that ship feels like

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Speaker 1: it's almost saled. People have made their mind up on

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders as a kind of marginal talent who's a

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Speaker 1: little silly. And but you know, this is such a

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Speaker 1: weird story. I like it, said, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: pick on sh Sanders.

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Speaker 6: Well, people think that, but we're not. Remember I was here.

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Speaker 7: The week of the draft saying I think Schador's going

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Speaker 7: top five.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna be come.

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Speaker 1: On, I thought he was a late first early second

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Speaker 1: round quarterback. I watched him played fifteen times, ten times

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Speaker 1: at Colorado. Accurate, move well, tough, he got sacked all

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 3: He was a tough kid.

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Speaker 7: But you know it, just so everybody knows, Like no

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Speaker 7: people who analyzed the draft thought he was dropping in

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Speaker 7: the fifth round. So this clearly is something that everybody

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Speaker 7: missed that teams were in lockstep on, like we don't

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Speaker 7: want to get in bed with this, we just don't listen.

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Speaker 1: I've put some of the blame on Dion. I think

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Speaker 1: going Super Bowl week on radio, going to Radio Row

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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, we don't want certain teams to draft him,

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Speaker 1: I thought was a huge, huge mistake. It by the way,

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Speaker 1: sometimes dads moms love their kids so much, you know,

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Speaker 1: they squeezed too hard, and so I thought that was

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Speaker 1: a huge, huge mistake. And the NFL said, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: and then we find out the Ravens and the Eagles

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Speaker 1: were interested, and basically the memo, the message was sent out,

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Speaker 1: now we don't want to be backups to Lamar and

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a mistake.

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Speaker 1: I think when you're in your twenties and are really

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Speaker 1: good corporation calls and they don't pay it quite what

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Speaker 1: you want, and you don't get the position quite what

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Speaker 1: you want, take it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you do that when you have.

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Speaker 1: Kids in your thirties or your forties and fifties, but

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Speaker 1: in your twenties opportunities from great companies don't happen. We've

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Speaker 1: seen all these great college athletes go to horrible teams and.

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Speaker 3: Have their careers wrecked.

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Speaker 1: If the Ravens and the Eagles call, go, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying if you're an establish later, but go. There's just

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Speaker 1: not that many well run NFL teams.

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Speaker 7: If Google comes to your college campus is like, yeah,

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Speaker 7: we're interested in you, it's gonna be You're not going

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Speaker 7: to rise to the top instantly.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Google, I'm coming on board. Let me get my

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Speaker 6: foot in the door.

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Speaker 1: Somebody told me this when I moved to the Northeast

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Speaker 1: for eleven years. They said, when you go to a

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Speaker 1: private school in the Northeast that they have legendary boarding schools.

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Speaker 1: It's not for the academics, it's for the connections you go.

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Speaker 1: You know, people always say that about Stanford. Cal is

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Speaker 1: easier to get in, but they'll flunk you out. Stanford's

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Speaker 1: impossible to get in, but once you get in, they

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Speaker 1: don't want to flunk you out. It's all the relationships

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Speaker 1: you make. It's the same thing. Go to the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: go to the Eagles. Somebody will spot you at practice. Eventually,

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Speaker 1: get a job somewhere else and go that Shader kid

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Speaker 1: was a hard worker at practice. I mean, how often

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Speaker 1: does that happen in the NFL? Well, where a coach

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Speaker 1: hires a coach or a player follows a coach because

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Speaker 1: they really formed a bond and they're not like stars,

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Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, no, no, I coached him over here.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring him on and give him a bigger role.

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Speaker 1: So it's I mean, like, if you go look at

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald's career, he goes to San Francisco and Shanahan's like,

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Speaker 1: I love the guy.

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Speaker 3: And then Sean.

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Speaker 1: McVay is talking to Kevin O'Connell and Kevin O'Connell's like,

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Speaker 1: calls Kyle Shanahan. They're all buddies, and Kevin O'Connell's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go buy Sam Donald well, because he was with

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Speaker 1: the Niners, not playing, he was a backup, and they're

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Speaker 1: all buddies and they're all talking. And that's how Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald's career started, sitting on the bench in San Francisco

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Speaker 1: watching Shanahan and Shanahan calling people in the league and

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Speaker 1: saying I love the kid. He practiced hard, He's a great,

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Speaker 1: great teammate, that's life. That's how it works when you're

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Speaker 1: in your twenties. Jmck with the news, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: The herd line.

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Speaker 1: We said this yesterday, Cubs Padre is going to a

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Speaker 1: third game. I think I like Chicago here. San Diego

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Speaker 1: has a way to play. I mean they went to

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Speaker 1: the bullpen. They pulled their starter in the fourth inning.

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Speaker 1: He hadn't given up a run. They just want to

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Speaker 1: get to their amazing bullpen. And so in this game

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Speaker 1: at Wrigley, San Diego scores first, and their two best players,

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Speaker 1: tatis and Manny Machado. You know, they provide the offense yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So Manny Machado comes up, fifth inning, Bang, there it goes.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly it's three nothing. They scored in the first inning.

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Speaker 1: You get two runs there. Tatisa walked, Machado Jackson out

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Speaker 1: three nothing. Yep, with that bullpen, good night. I mean

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Speaker 1: they surrendered that bullpen for San Diego surrendered one hit

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Speaker 1: in five innings.

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Speaker 3: And again they pulled their starter in the fourth he

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Speaker 3: hadn't given up a run.

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Speaker 1: They want to take a quick lead and they want

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Speaker 1: to get to the bullpen, and the bullpen most notably

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Speaker 1: is Mason Miller, who throws absolute gas one O two,

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Speaker 1: one oh three. He actually threw a one oh four

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Speaker 1: point five pitch, an all time postseason baseball record. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, this is how they have to play.

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Speaker 1: They're two best players, Machado and Tatis have to create

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Speaker 1: offense and then they want to go to the bullpen early.

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Speaker 1: So San Diego had the force fourth most wins in

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Speaker 1: baseball scoring three runs or fewer. So immediately when they

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Speaker 1: take a one nothing lead, you're like, I mean, seriously, that.

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Speaker 3: May win it for you.

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Speaker 1: You just got to get to the bullpen.

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Speaker 3: And here's Machado on the w pust is about man.

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Speaker 9: It's it's a beautiful, beautiful thing to be playing here

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Speaker 9: and in front of these crowds, and you know what's

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Speaker 9: on you know, what's he stake. So, uh, you know,

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Speaker 9: our boys went out there and you know, competed as

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Speaker 9: well as well as you can. Sometimes you gotta hit

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Speaker 9: a stoft and not hit it as hard, you know,

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Speaker 9: to get stuff going. But uh yeah, I mean swing's

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Speaker 9: there's just got to continue doing it and continue rinding and

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Speaker 9: having good at bats.

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Speaker 1: You know, most teams, now Milwaukee can beat you. With singles.

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Speaker 1: They can beat you with starting pitching. Milwaukee can beat

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Speaker 1: you with a bullpen. They've got power, Milwaukee's rare. They

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Speaker 1: can beat you in a million ways. The Dodgers, by

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Speaker 1: the way, beat you with home runs. They can grind

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Speaker 1: out at bats, they can beat you with starting pitching.

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Speaker 1: Everything's about avoiding the bullpen until you get to know

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Speaker 1: the very last closer. So the reality is, most teams

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Speaker 1: in baseball have a way to win, even though there's

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Speaker 1: not a salary cap. Some markets, there's limitations. San Diego,

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Speaker 1: Machado's got a hit. Tatis has to be somewhat productive

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Speaker 1: on offense. Let's get to the bullpen by the fifth

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Speaker 1: or sixth inning or sooner. That's what they did yesterday

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Speaker 1: and they even.

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Speaker 3: Up the series.

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Speaker 1: Urban Myers around the corner. Greg cost Sell huge college

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Speaker 1: weekend last weekend. I've got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny, Oregon. All these former Pac twelve coaches

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Speaker 1: are complaining now about the Big Ten travel, And my

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Speaker 1: take is you're the ones that we're begging to get

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Speaker 1: into the conference, and now.

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Speaker 3: They're all like, well, we traveled too much.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, nobody was watching you when we were playing

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Speaker 1: the other conference, and you want to be in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten. It gets cold, and well you complain about

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Speaker 1: the weather again. I mean it's you're making a lot

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Speaker 1: more money in the Big Ten. Gee, the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: yesterday did some I think they're doing a two billion

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Speaker 1: dollar deal. Like, I don't want to hear it. It's

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Speaker 1: not hurting Oregon. Oregon keeps winning.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern not a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: Cubs, Padres, Yankees, Red Sox. We'll have more on that

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Speaker 1: coming out. We just had one of the great college

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Speaker 1: football weekends of all time, and Urban Meyer is going

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Speaker 1: to join me.

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Speaker 3: So Urban, you.

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Speaker 1: Went four and one against James Franklin, and I have

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Speaker 1: defended him forever. I defended Ryan Day when he was

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Speaker 1: losing to Georgia and Harbaugh. I'm like, Okay, who's he

661
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Speaker 1: losing to? And I've defended James Franklin. But when you

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Speaker 1: have an NFL quarterback the offensive roster, you're favored, you're

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Speaker 1: at home, you gotta win that game. And I thought

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Speaker 1: landing in Dante more like I think for the first

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Speaker 1: time ever, Urban, I thought James Franklin deserves criticism.

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Speaker 3: Is it fair?

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Speaker 10: We certainly it's fair whenever you had a blue blood place,

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Speaker 10: and Penn State is. But I brought this up on

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Speaker 10: Big Noon, Colin. I might have said this to you

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Speaker 10: last week that I've been at Columbus when you lose

671
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Speaker 10: a game and walking off that stadium and life ends

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Speaker 10: as you know it. I mean, the world goes dark

673
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Speaker 10: and ann arbor you lose a game, and I mean

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Speaker 10: the nasty et cetera, etc. That you see there at

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Speaker 10: Penn State, the pageantry and the white out is second

676
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Speaker 10: to none. However, I've been at Penn State when we

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Speaker 10: won some close games and I walk off the field

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Speaker 10: in the you know, it's tay close, seeing a couple

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Speaker 10: of years and the nicest people, and I'm thinking, I wonder,

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Speaker 10: I wonder if deep down that I'm not saying it's

681
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Speaker 10: good enough. But it's just it's not life or death.

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Speaker 10: So I don't I think he's doing a great job.

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Speaker 10: I think, you know, you talk, Ryan Days got a

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Speaker 10: wolver Raine problem, and and Penn State's got a couple

685
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Speaker 10: of problem Oregon. Everybody's got their little flaws that they

686
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Speaker 10: just got to work out. So is criticism right to

687
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Speaker 10: answer your question, yes, Is it time to make a

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Speaker 10: change or even talk about that?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: So you coached in the SEC, and I've told people before,

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Speaker 1: is I knew the SEC was different? When I worked

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Speaker 1: in Tampa. I was a sportscaster and I went to

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Speaker 1: cover to do a Florida Gator story. Spurrier was the

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Speaker 1: coach and a body Bowden was at Florida States and

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Speaker 1: it was Wednesday, and I showed up to Gainesville and

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Speaker 1: there were people parked in the parking lot on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I grew up a Husky fan, Like

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Speaker 1: we love the game, but we didn't shum up till

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Speaker 1: Friday night or Saturday morning. And so I felt kilin

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Speaker 1: de boor beating Georgian Athens, and I'm counting Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: I don't know of a bigger regular season win at Alabama.

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Speaker 1: I went back last night and googled it. In the

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Speaker 1: last six years you've been there, you watched that. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of how hard it is at these

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Speaker 1: traditional powers to get support.

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Speaker 10: Oh, it's beyond heard, and it's not something you just

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Speaker 10: get overnight. It's something that got to be sustained. And certainly,

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Speaker 10: you know you talk about that win. I don't want

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Speaker 10: to say that was a job saver, but it was

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Speaker 10: a job saver. I mean that was incredible. That was

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Speaker 10: to go into to between the hedges there. You know,

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Speaker 10: I've never been there. I've never been to Athens, Georgia.

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Speaker 10: But everything, you know, first of all, you'd be a

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Speaker 10: great team. But also, and I made a comment on

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Speaker 10: Big Noon, that is a big boy win with there

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Speaker 10: must be some some tough ass guys in Alabama locker

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Speaker 10: room because they came back from I mean they were

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Speaker 10: dead and buried after that first loss. People are counting

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Speaker 10: them out. Now they're not being count out at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I thought the coaching was great. I thought, and

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Speaker 1: I currently Smart's great. I thought Kalen out coached him.

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Speaker 1: And I think in that mattered. It wasn't a flukey play,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't officials. It was like that was a game plan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I watched Ohio. I thought Ohio State would win.

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Speaker 1: I thought be closer. And I gotta tell you it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think Ohio State is playing with so much confidence

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Speaker 1: off winning a national championship. It's like when I watched

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Speaker 1: that Texas game, I'm like, they just were really confident.

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Speaker 1: They didn't panic, they slowed down the offense. I watched

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Speaker 1: them at Husky Stadium. That place has engulfed great coaches.

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Speaker 1: There is something about winning a Natty. But when I

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Speaker 1: watch them now, they feel different than they did that

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Speaker 1: moment they lost as a favorite to Michigan. The last

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Speaker 1: four or five games they played. Coach, it feels different

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Speaker 1: for Ohio State.

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Speaker 10: And it does with the whole new set of coordinators,

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Speaker 10: a new quarterback, and a bunch of new players and

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Speaker 10: Ryan Day. You know, someone showed me that he met

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Speaker 10: passed Newt Rockney. You start whenever you say the words

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Speaker 10: Newt Rockney, the name Newt Rockney and your name next

742
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Speaker 10: to it. That's pretty cool. So we've won a few

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Speaker 10: national championships. The year after some times can be really hard,

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Speaker 10: at times miserable. I don't feel it at all, and

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Speaker 10: talk to a lot of guys still within the program,

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Speaker 10: and I think what him and his staff are done

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Speaker 10: is nothing less than maybe the best coaching job yet.

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Speaker 10: To have two wins, to beat Texas, to go on

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Speaker 10: the road across the country and go into that environment

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Speaker 10: against that That quarterback, to me is a stud demon.

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Speaker 10: Williams Junior I mean, he's a monster to hold them.

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Speaker 10: They're playing a whole different level of defense than anybody

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Speaker 10: else in the country right now.

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Speaker 3: You play defense like that, Colin, you don't lose.

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Speaker 10: If you think about this, walk into the offensive staff

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Speaker 10: room and say, if we score two to three touchdowns,

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Speaker 10: we win that game.

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Speaker 3: That's what they're doing right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's Miami looks the part. They're big physical.

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Speaker 1: I always thought Miami was about seventy percent a college

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Speaker 1: football job and thirty percent a pro football job because

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Speaker 1: they don't.

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Speaker 3: They don't.

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Speaker 1: They're not like college. It's not about the band. They

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Speaker 1: don't have this massive following. It's a pro market, and

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Speaker 1: so it's interesting. There isn't quite the pressure that you

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Speaker 1: get in the big ten of the SEC, but it's

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Speaker 1: also harder sometimes to revenue and keep assistance. Do you

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Speaker 1: think Miami is officially back or it's just nil it's

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Speaker 1: this year? What do you make of their kind of

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Speaker 1: resurgence here?

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Speaker 10: What I like the best is their coaching staff, their

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Speaker 10: head coach, and consistency. He's been fairly consistent. I went

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Speaker 10: back as I'm doing part of Big Newton, I'm going

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Speaker 10: to cover this game the Florida State, Miami and not

776
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Speaker 10: that long ago, Colin the winner of this game won

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Speaker 10: eight national championships. So it's great to see. There's a

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Speaker 10: little bit of a think about that. The winner of

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Speaker 10: this game back in the Bobby Bowden and the Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 10: you know that era, Larry Coker era, they won eight

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Speaker 10: national titles a winner of this game. I'm not saying

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Speaker 10: it's there yet, but I like consistency. I've always had

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Speaker 10: respect for Crystal Ball. I know that's his home. If

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Speaker 10: he can't do it, then I'm not sure in our

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Speaker 10: lifetime Miami will ever be back.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not saying it.

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Speaker 10: Back yet, but this is as close as it's been

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Speaker 10: in fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely passed the eye test. I've always said

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Speaker 1: college football is better when Texas, Miami and us ERE winning.

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Speaker 3: It just feels bigger. It just feels bigger.

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Speaker 1: By the way Dante Moore, all these Pac twelve coaches now,

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Speaker 1: I just saw a story this morning. They're all complaining

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Speaker 1: about the travel and the Big ten, and it's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: stop it.

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Speaker 3: It's not hurt in Oregon.

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Speaker 1: I think Dante Moore, if I was an NFLGM, Dante

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Speaker 1: Moore would be my first pick. I'm serious. I thought

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Speaker 1: he blew me away in that game. What did you

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Speaker 1: make of it? We've covered him, I stood next to him.

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Speaker 1: He's not really the biggest guy, but I've watched him play.

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Speaker 1: His performance at the end of that game and overtime

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Speaker 1: was phenomenal. He is the most humble, lead by example

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Speaker 1: type guy. The coach loves him, Dan Lanny loves him.

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Speaker 10: I would just I've always pumped the brakes on that

806
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Speaker 10: because I think that's the one position that you need time.

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Speaker 10: You need to be time tested. He has not been

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Speaker 10: time tested yet. You know it's gonna You know. I

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Speaker 10: had Dwayne Haskins's rest of soul, But when people started

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Speaker 10: saying the word he should leave after one year, I

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Speaker 10: would always pump the breaks and say not that position.

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Speaker 10: And he left, and I still think Dwayne would have

813
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Speaker 10: been maybe the number one pick overall if he came back.

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Speaker 10: I just think that position, there's none like it in

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Speaker 10: all and once I'm not well versed enough in the

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Speaker 10: other sports I am, in football, there's no position like quarterback. Yeah,

817
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Speaker 10: the amount of stress that's put on you every snap,

818
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Speaker 10: knowing what everybody has to do, not having a bad day,

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Speaker 10: not having a bad snap. So I think at some

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Speaker 10: point he will be I would pump the brakes and

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Speaker 10: just his body work has to grow.

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Speaker 3: I love the kid though. Yeah, Stoic calmb and all

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Speaker 3: that pressure really emotional. See an emotional after that one? Did?

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Speaker 3: I want see him get emotional after that big win?

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Speaker 3: I was beautiful. It was a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it's just a neat I mean I

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Speaker 1: covered the Oregon program. That was one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: games in the history of the program. I really believe

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Speaker 1: that that was an unbelievable for them to travel three

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Speaker 1: thousand miles and win that game is something else that's

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Speaker 1: I'm we watch Bama going to Athens, Oregon go East.

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Speaker 1: Those were huge wins for those programs. Urban Meyer, great senior.

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Speaker 3: Zoas Thanks Collin saved you.

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Speaker 1: Urban and I worked together last weekend. We were on

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Speaker 1: that college football show. Reportedly in that segment waiting, I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing the biz popped.

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Speaker 3: We'll check for yourself, be pop. Greg co Selma