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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Litle Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: York Giants. I am John Schmelk, coming to you from

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Speaker 1: the Hack and Sack and Briny Hell podcast studio. Keep

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Speaker 1: getting Better. A man that needs no introduction, We welcome

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Speaker 1: in former head coach of the New York Football Giants,

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Speaker 1: super Bowl champion, Tom Coughlin, and now we are joined

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Speaker 1: by a man that needs no introduction, the Giant fans,

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Speaker 1: two time Super Bowl champion and said coach of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Tom Cofflin. Coach. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for the time today. Appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 2: Hi, John, Nice to see you all right.

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Speaker 1: According to reports, Coach, you had a couple of conversations

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Speaker 1: with John Harbaugh as he decided whether or not he

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Speaker 1: with them in those conversations.

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Speaker 2: Well, number one, okay, John's a friend of mine. Okay,

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Speaker 2: And I text John when he was let go by

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Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens to tell him to congratulate him on

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Speaker 2: his run. Tremendous run with the Baltimore Ravens. And John

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Speaker 2: came back to me and at the bottom of his

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Speaker 2: little paragraph he said, and by the way, if you

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Speaker 2: have a minute, I could use some advice, okay, John,

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Speaker 2: So I called him. And initially it was just you know,

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Speaker 2: tertiary stuff. It was it was the New York Giant franchise,

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Speaker 2: the Mara and the Tish families, how they interacted in

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Speaker 2: their ownership role of the New York Giants. And then

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Speaker 2: it was, you know, the chain of command in the building,

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Speaker 2: who is the you know, the GM and so on

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Speaker 2: and so forth, some of the coaches that were still there,

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Speaker 2: the front office people and that type of thing. And

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Speaker 2: then you know, just a little bit of conversation here

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Speaker 2: and there about that. But basically what happened was just

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Speaker 2: as if any friend or anyone would call me and

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Speaker 2: ask me about the New York Giants, That's where the

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Speaker 2: conversations all began, okay. And then it involved further conversations.

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Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned two, there's more than two. But

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Speaker 2: they were always of a nature of John, in his

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Speaker 2: own way, trying to do his investigation, if you will,

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Speaker 2: of the New York Giants franchise.

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Speaker 1: Well, coach, you know how this building operates. You know

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Speaker 1: more than anyone how the Marin Tish family operates. You

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Speaker 1: know the type of person that John Harbaugh isn't the

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Speaker 1: type of coach that he is. Why do you think

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a good match.

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Speaker 2: Well, John Harbaugh is a man of principle. Okay, he

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Speaker 2: grew up his dad was a coach, so he's been

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Speaker 2: in that particular environment all his life. He loves coaching,

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Speaker 2: he loves working with people. He has an excellent personality.

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Speaker 2: His whole theme is about everyone word looking together to

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Speaker 2: be the very best that you can possibly be. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's something that keep in mind about everyone

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Speaker 2: at a championship level. And that's what John Harbaugh will

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Speaker 2: be looking at as he investigates, you know, the people

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Speaker 2: He has great respect for the game, great respect for

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Speaker 2: the NFL. So it's it's going to be easy for

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Speaker 2: you to understand that he's he's he's got a good

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Speaker 2: John will be easy to engage with. However, you cross

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Speaker 2: the line the other way, you know, as in the

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Speaker 2: players who want discipline, they want accountability. They've openly said

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Speaker 2: I think it starts right out with effort. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Historically, as someone that worked with the two families for

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Speaker 1: as long as you did, why is that a good

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Speaker 2: Well, because, for example, the Marra family goes back to

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Speaker 2: So with that, knowing what history is and knowing the

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Speaker 2: that this dream of yours and the Giants can come

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Speaker 1: You coach against John Harbaugh teams. What are some of

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Speaker 1: the telltale signs and the identity of a John Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: team when you are preparing to go against them?

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Speaker 2: Tough, tough, physical, strong, aggressive, powerful, defensive football, run the ball,

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Speaker 2: and outstanding. Remember what John was now, John was a

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Speaker 2: special teams coach who eventually became a secondary coach and

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Speaker 2: then right out of the blue, is the guy that

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Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens hired. Okay, at the time that John

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Speaker 2: they get after it, they're nasty, you know that type

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Speaker 1: This is a very kind of twenty thousand foot question, coach,

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Speaker 1: and it's a very generic one. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: I've ever asked it to you. You know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people talk about, you know, a creative offense of mine,

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Speaker 1: create a defensive mind. But what, in your opinion, are

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Speaker 1: the most important characteristics a good head coach has to

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Speaker 2: Expertise at his position, expertise in his role. But more

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Speaker 2: than that, more than that, the power of team. If someone,

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Speaker 2: by reputation is an individual, you know, a standout is

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Speaker 2: not going to work with, John Harbaugh. Okay, it's not

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Speaker 2: gonna work. But despite your ability, what have you If

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Speaker 2: you're willing to pay the price, if you're willing to

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Speaker 2: work hard, if you're willing to be a part of

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Speaker 2: this thing is all about? The game, John, today is

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Speaker 2: so totally different from what I experienced. I might have

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Speaker 2: and it will be those who are in are in.

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Speaker 2: And if you're not, if you're one of those guys

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Speaker 2: look at me III, or what's my next job going

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Speaker 2: to be? That's not going to fly with John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: Well, coach, you went there, so I guess I'll follow

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Speaker 1: up there. You know, the first big step has to

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Speaker 1: be building a staff, right, So what are some of

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Speaker 1: the important things as a head coach you're looking for

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Speaker 2: Well, as I said, they have to be experts at

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Speaker 2: to work as a team in the best interest of

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Speaker 2: the New York Giants. Okay, and as as you say

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Speaker 2: to anyone else, any young coach, you know, I used

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Speaker 2: there will be none. And that's just the way the

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Speaker 2: game is. That's the way that it's always been from

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Speaker 2: its very basics, and that's the way it remains today.

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Speaker 1: Hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: com slash Giants. You were a coach that did not

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Speaker 1: call plays on either side of the ball. When you

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Speaker 1: were coach of the Giants, you had multiple defensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: a couple of offensive coordinators. How specific were you when

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Speaker 1: you talk to your coordinators about specifically the type of

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Speaker 2: Well, when I was when I first took over in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 2: And here's how I want this to be done. Like,

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Speaker 2: and what I'm watching in Seattle, for example, that's like

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Speaker 2: the old Giant playbook. You know, great offense and defensive

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Speaker 2: that's right out of the script of the new York Giants. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So whatever it is, and I'm telling you what I

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Speaker 2: against it. That will be the nature, whether you're the

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Speaker 2: If I didn't like something, Boom, it was taken care

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Speaker 2: And that's the way it'll be with John. So you'll have, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or it won't work.

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Speaker 1: I think culture is an overused word, coach, But you

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Speaker 1: talked about the importance of team and expressing that to

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Speaker 1: the players. What are some of the first things you

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Speaker 1: you got the guys in the building in the springtime.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that I know for John

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Speaker 2: what your expectations are as the head coach? What is

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Speaker 1: Now, part of this process is roster building. Obviously, John

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 1: The final two questions coach. Anything unique that John Harbo

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Speaker 1: That's two time Super Bowl champion and former head coaching

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Speaker 1: John Schmulck. Thank you so much for joining us on

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