1 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags Am on November Wednesday, November twenty ninth, 2 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: This Wednesday, as we get ready for a big matchup 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: against the Bengals this week, I'm Kennannie Stevens, John Over 4 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: and Brian Sexton are with me being prepared for that game, 5 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: and we're gonna go over some of the big things 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: we're looking at this week. Our big thing number one 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: this week is gonna be new goals. 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: For sure. 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: This team was aiming at winning the AFC South, but 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: now then eight and three record, we're looking at seeding 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, maybe trying to get a first round. 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: By Brian, this is something we were discussing earlier this week, 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: and the goals have kind of changed a little bit 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: for this team. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: Well they happen. 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 4: They're realistic, guy, I mean you look, you're just a 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 4: a win behind Baltimore, who's gonna have a bye week between. 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: Now and the Jags game in a couple of weeks, 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: and you're right there. 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 4: You'd feel better about it, John, if you had beaten 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 4: Kansas City, you'd really feel like you were in a 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 4: strong position. But when you look at the way this 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 4: schedule sets up, there's no Joe Burrow this week, the 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: Browns are down three offensive tackles, two running backs, two quarterbacks. 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: Miles Garrett is wearing a sling right now. 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: You don't want to look too far ahead, but when 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 4: you look at the opponents the rest of the way, 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 4: it's possible you could win and end up with home 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 4: field advantage throughout the playoffs. 30 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: And that's a dramatic. 31 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 4: Leap forward for Doug Peterson's football team from where they 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: were a year ago. 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 34 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 5: I think the cool thing is they have a chance 35 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 5: to earn it, meaning it's a i'll call it a 36 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 5: soft schedule, it's a manageable schedule. I think the issue 37 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 5: is there's six games left. You're tied with Kansas City, 38 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 5: but you got to get ahead of them. 39 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: Yep. 40 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 5: So realistically you probably got to go five and one. 41 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 5: I hope they lose two. They're the kind of team 42 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 5: that may not lose too so you've got some going 43 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 5: to do. You control you're destiny against Baltimore, though, and 44 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 5: that's a big thing. You can get the guy who's 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 5: ahead of you by beating that guy. 46 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 4: I like this because you see the six games that 47 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: are left and the Drags ended last season on a 48 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 4: five game winning streak. Okay, do it again, right, I mean, 49 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: get hot right now. In the last two weeks, they've 50 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: gotten hot, and they put themselves in a position where, 51 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 4: you know, Kansas City schedule is tough, but they're not 52 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 4: gonna lose two, so you got to win out. 53 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: It kind of puts them in the same mindset as 54 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: they were last year. 55 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: That brings us along to big thing number two among 56 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: the greats. 57 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: If you want to be getting the number one seed 58 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: in the AFC, you need to beat among the greats, 59 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Ravens, Miami at times, and looking at 60 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: that schedule the rest of the way, it is doable 61 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: to think that they could. 62 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: Go five and one. 63 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Maybe that Ravens game probably the toughest one on the schedule. Yes, 64 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: you needs to take care of business, but that's something 65 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: we're looking at. John, That's something they could do, especially 66 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: when you look at what they were able to do 67 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: at the end of last year. 68 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Bengals aren't gonna be a pusholder and you know, 69 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 5: they're a team that has been in two straight conference 70 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 5: championship games with or without Borrow. They know how to 71 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 5: keep games close. They went with Pittsburgh last week but yeah, 72 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 5: I mean it plays out where if the Jaguars do 73 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 5: what they have done so far this season, which is 74 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 5: usually beat teams they're quote supposed to beat. I would 75 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 5: say most people would say five of the six games 76 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 5: left are those kind of games. The Ravens, to me, 77 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 5: is a toss up if you're looking at it objectively. 78 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 5: So it's there you want to be able to prove that. 79 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 5: I don't think that there's a team in the AFC 80 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 5: they can't beat. I wonder at the NFC, but we're 81 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 5: a long way from that. 82 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 4: Well, when you look at that schedule, and John's right, Look, 83 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 4: the Bengals had Jamar Chase to Higgins, Boyd Drew Sample 84 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: scored a touchdown last week, and of course Joe Mixon 85 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 4: is a guy in the backfield at six two two 86 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: twenty five. They can pound you if you don't play 87 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 4: good defense. They can keep this one close. But this 88 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 4: is a should win for the Jags now that Joe 89 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: Burrow is on injured, deserve the rest of the way. 90 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 4: And I'm looking forward to that Browns game where I 91 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 4: mean Deshaun Watson is gone, I mean all these guys 92 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: are gone. There these become wins. I shouldn't say wins. 93 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 4: These become games you should win. You should be able 94 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: to go on the road and play and win if 95 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: your team that belongs in that conversation, and I think 96 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 4: all of us think that they do belong in this conversation. 97 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 4: It is tough with the Ravens, but hey, I mean, 98 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: that's why it's a Sunday night game. It's going to 99 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: be the marquee and they beat them last year here, 100 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 4: so the thing sets up that they could get there. 101 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: We do want to go to our final big thing, 102 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: which is priorities, because you mentioned the Bengals, and we 103 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: don't want to overlook the Bengals because they're a great 104 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: team and they're coming in obviously without Joe Burrow, but 105 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: they have a lot of talent on that team, and 106 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: as we mentioned John, you mentioned the coaching on that 107 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: team is good. Obviously, they're very familiar with Zach Taylor 108 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: being Press Taylor's brother, so there's that as well. And 109 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: also they kind of remind you a little bit of 110 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: like a desperate team, not desperate in that sense, but 111 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: like the forty nine ers coming in off a losing 112 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: streak as well and kind of wanting to get back 113 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: and prove themselves a little bit as well. 114 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: Well. 115 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 5: They are desperate, they're in it, they're without their quarterback, 116 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 5: they're five and six, So realistically for them, they have 117 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 5: to figure out a way to win different than they 118 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 5: thought they were gonna win coming in. They almost found 119 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 5: a formula last week against Pittsburgh. There's really one mistake 120 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 5: at the end of the game and they win that. 121 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 5: I don't think it's realists think the Bengals make the playoffs. 122 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 5: Maybe they do, but these kind of teams, the ones 123 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 5: that are injured, wounded and who have had success in 124 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 5: the past, they know how to win, they know how 125 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 5: to keep games close. They're very dangerous Brian in moments. 126 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 5: If they have seven games left, they're probably gonna get 127 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 5: three because they're that kind of team. Make sure you're 128 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 5: not one of those three. 129 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: You know, we started the season with the Bills and 130 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 4: the Bengals being two of the best four or five 131 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 4: teams in the conference. And the Bills have had some misfortune, 132 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: some injuries, especially on defense, and the Bengals lose their quarterback. 133 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 4: So they're not hot teams right now. 134 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: You know who are? 135 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: The Texans are still considered a hot team. The Colts 136 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 4: are considered a hot team. How about the Broncos. They 137 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 4: give up seventy in September and all of a sudden, 138 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 4: now they've ripped off four or five in a row 139 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: and they're sitting at six and five and that Texans Broncos. 140 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 4: This game game this weekend is considered one of the 141 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: best games of the weekend. The thing for the Bengals 142 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: is is that they're a team that's starting to fall 143 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: as other teams, legitimate risers are starting to come. 144 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see. 145 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: They will be desperate, but different than San Francisco because 146 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 4: San Francisco was getting healthy, they were getting Trent Williams 147 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 4: and the Deebo Samuel's back, and this is a team 148 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: that's going forward. 149 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: Without the quarterback. 150 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Will certainly be an interesting matchup, but not one to 151 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: take lightly for sure. 152 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: Stay with us here on Jagsam. 153 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, We're going to go around 154 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: the league and go over some of the headlines. 155 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: Welcome back to jag Zam. 156 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: For ten years, Dreamfinders' Homes has been proud to call 157 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: themselves the official home builder of the Jacksonville Jaguars. You 158 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: can visit Dreamfinders homes dot Com for all of the 159 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: available inventory and Go Jaguars. 160 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: Welcome back to jag Zam. 161 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: We've got a little bit of time this week because 162 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: it's Monday Night football, so we're gonna look around the 163 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: league a little bit and talk about some of the 164 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: other stuff that's going on around the National Football League, 165 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: and we're gonna start off with something that shows things 166 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: could definitely be worse here because when we look to 167 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: Carolina with the Panthers who just fired their head coach 168 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: Frank Reich and now their owner David Tepper had in 169 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: his press conference defending his pick of price of Bryce Young, 170 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of that coming because of what CJ. 171 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Stroud has been able to do. But you have to 172 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: remember in Carolina, they gave up a ransom to get 173 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: that pick in the first place. So Bryce Hewn really 174 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: hasn't had much of a chance, no, if. 175 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: They gave up two ones. 176 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 4: And Dj Moore and I watched some of the game 177 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: on Monday night, and even though the Bears didn't score 178 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: a touchdown, Dj Moore was the guy that was moving 179 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 4: the chain to put him in. 180 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: A field goal position. 181 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: He's a really nice football player. Yeah, it would be 182 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: tough right now to be in Carolina because c J. 183 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: Stroud is you'd be remorseful for the fact that you 184 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 4: did not pick him. How did the people that I 185 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: hired to run my football organization to find David Temper, 186 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: how did they not see this? 187 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 3: Because you're paid. 188 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: It's crystal ball business, John, You're paid to look into 189 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 4: that crystal ball and be able to see who's coming 190 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 4: down the pipe. And I didn't think there was any 191 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: I didn't think there was any doubt. I mean, I 192 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 4: thought CJ. Stroud was a better prospect coming out. Now, 193 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 4: I'm no personnel guy. He's gonna have to defend that 194 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: pick for a long time. 195 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 5: Well, the word is that he made the pick. 196 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: I mean Caroline, Bryce Young's parents and all of that. 197 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean so, I don't know that you I 198 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 5: don't know that you can blame your football people if 199 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 5: you made the pick. Fired a lot of coaches in 200 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 5: a very short time. It's what you always hope that 201 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 5: the owner who comes in new to the league has 202 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 5: to learn the league a little bit. That's what it 203 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 5: feels like. I'm not close enough to Carolina to know 204 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: that that's what it is. That's what it looks like 205 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 5: from the outside, shod con for better or for us 206 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 5: over the first turn or twelve years, came in wanting 207 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 5: to stay out of it, wanting to do it the 208 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 5: right way, giving people time. He got criticized for that, 209 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 5: but in the long run, that's really the best way 210 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 5: to do it. 211 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: If you're an NFL owner, you know, just to defend 212 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 4: Bryce Young on this one, and I just got done 213 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: saying I would have taken c J. 214 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: Stroud all day long. 215 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 4: You know, he's a bigger guy that looks better built 216 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 4: to be an NFL quarterback. But you know, Young has 217 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 4: nothing to work with, as you mentioned, and he's there 218 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 4: in Carolina and it's his first year, and you don't 219 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: know that a guy who was eminently successful. He's about 220 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: the size and as big as Russell Wilson. You know, 221 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 4: is built as Russell Wilson, but he's about that height. 222 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 4: You don't know that he can't come on and turn 223 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: things along if the right coach is hired. So maybe 224 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 4: he evolves. Because there were people around the league that 225 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 4: wanted to give up on Trevor Lawrence after one year, 226 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 4: thinking well, he's not he's not the quarterback that we 227 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 4: all thought he was. Despite the horrible situation that he 228 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 4: was put in by the coach who shall not be named. 229 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, we'll see maybe maybe Tepper gets 230 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 4: it right. 231 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Jacksonville's a perfect example. We've it was very 232 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: low before where we are right now. Shud got it 233 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: right and very quickly. That turnaround can happen. So and 234 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: if you have a young quarterback there as well, hopefully 235 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: a good situation comes around for Bryce Young so they 236 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: can turn that situation around in Carolina. Elsewhere around the league, 237 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: we're looking at Aaron Rodgers saying he's aiming to try 238 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: to come back reports say for Christmas Eve to play 239 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: for the Jets, who are very much out of the 240 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: playoff picture. He said, yes, some of it will have 241 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: to do with whether or not they can make a 242 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,239 Speaker 1: playoff push, which doesn't look like that's realistic. 243 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: But he's also just. 244 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Trying to come back and play in about two or 245 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: three months after massive surgery. 246 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: So that's interesting and of itself. 247 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 5: I've heard that's going to bring him in a Kylees. 248 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: I know he's got a brand new one. 249 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: Is this realistic to think he's gonna come back you 250 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: listen to this or is this a. 251 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: The Achilles injury used to be one that was a 252 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: long term injury, kind of like the ACL, and we've 253 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 4: seen in recent years that the ACL is one that 254 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 4: guys can come back from relatively quickly. And I guess 255 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: Cam Akers last year or the year before, the running 256 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: back for the ramsh came back in a short order 257 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: four or five months from the Achilles. I remember having 258 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 4: a conversation last year or the year before well when 259 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 4: James Robinson tore his with a doctor who said that 260 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: they've completely changed the surgery and maybe he can come back. 261 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 4: But he's also forty years old, and that seems to 262 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: me to be a red flag, like, hey, if they're 263 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 4: not going to the playoffs, why would you want to 264 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 4: do this. 265 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, things can advance very rapidly with different kinds of injuries. 266 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 5: And I heard the same thing you did about James Robinson. 267 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 5: If the technology has changed, they can get in there 268 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: and do what they need to do and get the 269 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 5: tension right now that you couldn't do before. One thing 270 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 5: in Rogers's favor, I don't think James ever made it 271 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 5: back because it's an injury that's tough for running back. 272 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 5: It's because it's tough for it to ever be right 273 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 5: again in terms of the pop. In terms of stability 274 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 5: at quarterback, it's sort of like with an ACL. You 275 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 5: don't worry as much about an ACL with a quarterback 276 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 5: because you don't have to have that pop and that acceleration. 277 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 5: So if it's stable, could Aaron come in and as 278 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 5: intelligent as he is, be very be Okay? Perhaps? 279 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: But you know, he's also a quarterback who's known to 280 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 4: move right. I mean, he's not a stand in the 281 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: pocket guy. He's not a statue. He makes a lot 282 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: of his place rolling right with that powerful arm throwing 283 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 4: it back to the left. I wonder if he has 284 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: to change his style of play. The other thing that 285 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 4: I've heard about this is that he feels invested in this. 286 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: There are a lot of players and coaches that he 287 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: asked the Jets or hinted strongly that the Jets should 288 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 4: be interested in and that organization was for him, and 289 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: he feels the need to come back and validate those moves. 290 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 4: But I'm not sure you can validate it this season. 291 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: I'm not sure either. 292 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: And also maybe he can move around himself, but that 293 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: offensive line hasn't been great either, so you've got to 294 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: be able to protect yourself when you get back on 295 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: the football field too. Our final thing we're going to 296 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: look at around the league a little bit closer to home. 297 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Fred Taylor is again among the semi finalists for the 298 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame. Now I think this is 299 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: fifth time in the semi finalists and then there's an 300 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: additional stage. 301 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 4: But here's hoping, right, Yeah, he absolutely deserves this. 302 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 5: The key here for Fred is he's been He's been 303 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 5: a semi finalist four times. I've always thought with Fred, 304 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 5: if he can quote get in the room, meaning get 305 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 5: in the fifteen, that's where they discuss you. In the 306 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 5: next it'd be about a month long discussion. They do 307 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 5: it a little different than they used to, but that's 308 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 5: where they start discussing you, and that's where they really 309 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 5: look at the numbers. That's where they look at stats. 310 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 5: That's where they look at, oh, he's a four point 311 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 5: six yard per carry for his career. Only two guys 312 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 5: in front of him in the all time list are 313 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 5: better than that. It's where you start looking at things 314 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 5: like we're showing and people go, oh, I forgot how 315 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 5: good he was. Tony Biselli was off the radar for 316 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 5: three or four years. In terms of the Hall of Fame. 317 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 5: He got back in the radar when he got in 318 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 5: the room and people started discussing and making calls on 319 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: him and talking to people who played against him. I've 320 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 5: always thought the same thing would happen to Fred once 321 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 5: voters start making calls to former players, talk to guys 322 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 5: on the Steelers, and they would say, I don't know 323 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 5: who else is in, but this guy has to be in. 324 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 5: I think the discussion when Fred can get in, it 325 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 5: will vote very well for Fred. 326 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: Well, there's another actor in this drama, and that is 327 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: the gentleman who has the vote. Every NFL franchise has 328 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: a vote that they give to a member of the media, 329 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 4: and longtime Channel four sportscaster Sam Kubaris has that vote 330 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 4: and has had it since, you know, nineteen ninety five 331 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 4: when the Weaver family gave it to him. So when 332 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 4: he's in the room, he's got to make the case. 333 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 4: He's got to stand up and pound the table as 334 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: he did for Tony Passeli. Now it's changed a bit. 335 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: There are other guys who get involved in this. But 336 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 4: here's why it's important. Because Sam covered Fred from the 337 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: time his career started until the time he left Jacksonville. 338 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: He knows everything there is to know about Fred, and 339 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: he is a good salesman and can make a good 340 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 4: pitch for it. 341 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: What happens if this. 342 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 4: Doesn't go on for another ten years, and perhaps Sam 343 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 4: has moved on and doesn't have the vote anymore, then 344 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: you have somebody who's covering the Hall of Fame vote 345 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: who didn't cover Fred. It's not as easy to stand 346 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: up and to make that case and to call the 347 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 4: other voters. I would say, having had this conversation with 348 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 4: Sam recently, he's personally invested in pursuing this and pushing 349 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: the case with bred Taylor, and I expect that that'll 350 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: be a valuable asset as they go and I know 351 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: Fred knows that too. 352 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 5: And it's tough until they get in. At fifteen, you're 353 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 5: almost off the radar in terms of being able to 354 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 5: pound the table for a guy, the fact that he's 355 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 5: been in the twenty five. There were only two first 356 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 5: year guys in that semi finals list this year, so 357 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 5: five got in last year, so they go away a 358 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 5: little bit. I hope from look at the names, we're 359 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 5: biased because we covered Fred and the big truth to 360 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 5: this is every market is biased toward their guy. There's 361 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 5: twenty five guys on that list. There's twenty five conversations 362 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 5: going around the league this morning that guy should be in. 363 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 5: But I think Fred's got a chance to get into 364 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 5: fifteen this year, and I think once he gets into fifteen, 365 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 5: he will stay there for a couple of years, and 366 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 5: then I think he eventually gets in because I think 367 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 5: people who go back and do the research and talk 368 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 5: to coaches and former players will vouch for how good 369 00:16:53,600 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 5: he was. He's a Hall of famer who I would 370 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 5: say already should be. I don't think he was a lock, 371 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 5: but certainly in that second or third level process, uh, 372 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 5: he deserves. 373 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: To be in. Agreed. 374 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: Let's hope he makes that next step and then we 375 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: can get a little bit farther on along the journey 376 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: and we eventually get Fred Taylor there. 377 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: Stay with's here on Jagzam. 378 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: We're gonna look ahead, do a little bit of this 379 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: or that for our matchup this week against the Bengals. 380 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: Price dot Com is the easiest way to save money 381 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: with comparison shopping, cash back coupons all in one. 382 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: It's free. 383 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: Try price dot com today welcome back to jag Zam. 384 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna do a little this or that as we 385 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: look ahead. Monday night football for the first time since 386 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: twenty eleven. I know that's kind of around what your 387 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: this or that is. 388 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's low hanging fruit, but you know, we have 389 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 4: these extra days. So I went with, you know, what 390 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 4: would you rather have a Sunday night game or Monday 391 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: night game? What is the Thursday? I put it in there, 392 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: but Thursday clearly not on the same caliber. 393 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: What would you go with? You know, I favor Monday. 394 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 4: Because it's the only game that day and because it 395 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 4: was the game in my youth. 396 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: I mean, it delivered huge ratings. Monday Night Football was it. 397 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 4: And obviously the product has been diluted over time, and 398 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 4: Monday Night Football fell off when Sunday Night Football rose. 399 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 4: But I think Monday Night Football is making a comeback, 400 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 4: and I think that's the prime time game my brother have. 401 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 5: It's a little bit like in this day and age, 402 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 5: these kind of questions are always dependent on how that 403 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 5: individual person consumes, like what you remember and all day. 404 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: Brian and I are old men, and you know all 405 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 5: there was was a tube TV, so you watched everything right, Well, 406 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 5: three channels. Sunday is the premium game still, So if 407 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 5: all you are is somebody who watches the game, then 408 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 5: Sunday is the game. But Monday certainly has more build up. 409 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 5: If you're the kind of fan who goes home at 410 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 5: five point thirty, gets fired up about the game, sits 411 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 5: starts watching all the ESPN preview, all the stuff leading 412 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 5: up to it. If you're into that sort of excitement, 413 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 5: then Monday I think gives more breathing room for the 414 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 5: respect that everybody wants out of a Monday night game. 415 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 5: So I would probably still go Sunday because that's the 416 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 5: premium game that's been the biggest. 417 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 4: I mean, that's the matchup that the league is Sunday. Yeah, 418 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 4: although you know, ESPN put a ton of money into 419 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: this latest package, and they hired Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, 420 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 4: and each one of them are making top of the 421 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 4: scale to be in that booth, and you're getting some 422 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 4: great games for Monday Night Football this year. You're still 423 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 4: going to get some dogs, you know, when you get 424 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 4: Chicago in Minnesota against each other, and neither one of 425 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 4: them is a premier team this year. But the league 426 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 4: and ESPN ABC is really putting a lot of effort 427 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 4: into trying to take this back. 428 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 5: I guess yeah. I would say for now, Sunday is 429 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 5: still the game that I think most people think of 430 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 5: as the premier game. So I guess I'd rather have Sunday. 431 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 5: But but I think the key is beyond it enough 432 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 5: where you're on both in the same. 433 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 4: Year, and they are both in three weeks time after 434 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 4: many years of not having it. 435 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 5: I heard, I think and here, which is cool for fans. 436 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think JP Tradgwick told me they haven't had 437 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: Sunday night football since two thousand and eight. 438 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: Is that true? 439 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 5: It's even longer they haven't had Sunday night football. They 440 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 5: had that crew, and that bunch was here for final 441 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 5: game last year and playoff games. 442 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 4: They never had a true Sunday night football game ever. 443 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 4: They had the Sunday Night crew for the Wildcard game 444 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh in two thousand and seven, and then they 445 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 4: fell off so sharply. Right in twenty eighteen, we were 446 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 4: supposed to have the Steelers here on Sunday Night Football, 447 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 4: but we got flexed out because neither the Jaguars nor 448 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 4: the Steelers, well, Steels are always to draw. The Jaguars certainly weren't, 449 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 4: so they flexed us out. 450 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: I think that's the cool thing. 451 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's cool now that you can flex games 452 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: on any day, even Monday now, But Sunday was always 453 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: like you earned it because if you could still keep 454 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: that prime time game on Sunday, that means you were 455 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: the best matchup. 456 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: They expected the best game out of you. So that 457 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: was always cool. 458 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: And it was always like I always felt like Sunday 459 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: night was like you had the full day, and then 460 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: it was like that's the cherry on top of the 461 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: whole day. So Mondays aren't always cool because it's just 462 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: you get through work on Monday to watch football Monday night. 463 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: Well, and here's the thing. 464 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 4: I think people can get used to the idea of 465 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 4: several primetime games. I mean, this is now going to 466 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: be a marquee team with this quarterback, so it won't 467 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 4: really matter whether it's Sunday night or Monday night because 468 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: you're going to be on BOAD. 469 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: Hopefully it becomes a norm. That's always a good thing. John, 470 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: what's or this or that for us? 471 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 5: This way? Oh, is this an opportunity meaning you're on 472 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 5: national TV to show Uh, maybe show the world that 473 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 5: you're not what you were against San Francisco, which was 474 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 5: the last time. Or is it a trap game? And 475 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 5: I uh, I'm not big into the trap game usually, 476 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 5: but this one feels a little bit like a trap game. 477 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 5: As soon as Burrow got hurt. The emails that I 478 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 5: got from fans, which isn't to how players think, but 479 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 5: the emails were, let's when well, you hope that this 480 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 5: team's not thinking that way because the Bengals are good 481 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: enough even without Burrow to make this a three to 482 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 5: seven game in the in the not seven to three, 483 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 5: but a seven to three point game in the fourth quarter, 484 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 5: and anything can happened. So I think it's an opportunity 485 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 5: for it not to be a track game, if that 486 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 5: makes any sense, because you got to play well. It 487 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 5: is an opportunity to show the world that you're good, 488 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 5: and I think they will. But you gotta be careful 489 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 5: because just because Burrow is not in doesn't mean it 490 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 5: seems bad. 491 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 4: Well, and I think this team, I mean, they were 492 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 4: smarting when they left the field against San Francisco. They 493 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 4: felt all of that and more so, I think they'll 494 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 4: take this as an opportunity. 495 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: Plus, when you turn on the tape, you still see Jamar. 496 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 4: Chase and Higgins and Boyd who are game wrecking wide receivers. 497 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 4: Difficult matchups, and you have got to be on your 498 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 4: game because if you give that quarterback to these guys 499 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 4: are going to get open for him. That guy in particular, 500 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 4: I think he's the best receiver in the league. 501 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: I don't know what you think about him. 502 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: I just think he is a money player and he's 503 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 4: going to do everything he can to help his quarterback. 504 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 4: And if he's throwing the ball, then all of a sudden, 505 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 4: you've got a running game. And I know you talked 506 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 4: to Jeff Hopson this week for the website. Their running 507 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 4: game has really fallen off this year. And so if 508 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 4: you have a quarterback who they want to support with 509 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 4: the run, who's able to throw the ball and they 510 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: can actually run, oh, they can make it really hard 511 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 4: on you. This is still into talented, explosive team. You 512 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: should win the game because they don't have their quarterback, 513 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: but if you don't play well, or if you just 514 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 4: play down a level, then they can get you. 515 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 5: If Steelers decided they were going to shut down the 516 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 5: run and then make the rookie beating or the young 517 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 5: quarterback beat him. I'm assuming the Jaguars will have a 518 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 5: slice of that in the game plan. Look, it's a 519 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 5: game you ought to win, and you got to go 520 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 5: out and play well enough to do it. They've done 521 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 5: that in that situation a lot. I trust this team 522 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 5: to do that. 523 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 4: It's catches like that one we just saw where Jamar 524 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 4: Chase doesn't even look back and puts his hands up, 525 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: kind of just sees it out of the periphery and 526 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 4: makes a touchdown catch. I mean that's he is a 527 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 4: great player, and that means you have to play great 528 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: otherwise he'll keep it close. 529 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: And I mean, I think it's worth saying. 530 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 4: I mean, I at least have some remorse for the 531 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 4: fact that we were not going to see the showdown 532 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 4: between Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow. I mean, that was 533 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 4: a marquee matchup. I wish he was healthy. I know 534 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 4: Trevor said the other day he doesn't want the other 535 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 4: quarterbacks to be. 536 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: Healthy, which he should say say that he. 537 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 4: Just wants the other teams not to be as good. 538 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: But I was looking forward to watching that one. I 539 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 4: thought that was going to be a great game. 540 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: This was the game I was most looking forward to 541 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: this season specifically because of that matchup, and unfortunately we're 542 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: not going to get that. But I think this is 543 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: an opportunity for my This or that I kind of 544 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: looked at, is this an opportunity for Trevor to have 545 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: that breakout offensive performance or do we think it'll be 546 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: a situation where they don't have their starting quarterbacks so 547 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: the defense. 548 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: Will dominate in this game. 549 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at this and I'm saying this based 550 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: I think they're going to take care of business because 551 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: they have had big games before and we've seen them 552 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: two times the Chiefs and the forty nine ers not 553 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: go the way they wanted to go, And I'm thinking 554 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: the third time around, if this is going to be 555 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: the team we expect them to be, they need to 556 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: take care of business in this game. I don't think 557 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: they're going to take it lightly, and I don't know 558 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: how they're going to win. So that's why I kind 559 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: of went with both sides of it, is like, do 560 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: I think Trevor is going to keep improving what we 561 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: see from Titans to Texans to now kind of have 562 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: a breakout offensive performance where people really can't doubt it anymore, 563 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: or is it going to be the defense again that 564 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: paves the day. 565 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 4: Well, you could make the case for either. So I'll 566 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 4: take Trevor's breakout because this defense has been susceptible to 567 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 4: big plays. 568 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: Down the field. 569 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 4: They have one really good pass rusher and a very 570 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 4: solid defensive line, especially with DJ Reader in the middle, 571 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 4: but they're not dominant upfront. And if the Jaguars offensive line, 572 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 4: who didn't give up a sack last week, and the 573 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 4: only sack they'd given up in the last two weeks, 574 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 4: they didn't really give up that was when Trevor ran 575 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 4: out of bounds with the ball in his hand against 576 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: the Titans, So they're playing well. I expect that they 577 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 4: will be able to play well this week, right with 578 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 4: Cleveland in there and Walker back to left tackle where 579 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 4: he is a very comfortable player, and I think they'll 580 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 4: be able to get their shots down the field. 581 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, my guess is that Trevor will play well enough 582 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 5: to have a breakout performance. I don't know if the 583 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 5: game will play out that he needs to have the 584 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 5: breakout performance, because I think the defense will be able 585 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 5: to control Cincinnati. If the Bengals score, then I think 586 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 5: Trevor will have a breakout performance, because I think he'll 587 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 5: need to if the Bengals aren't scoring. I could easily 588 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 5: see them being a little more conservative offensively in the 589 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 5: second half, which would keep Trevor having those numbers that 590 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 5: you're talking about. I think they will. I think they 591 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 5: both will play well and win the game. My guess 592 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 5: is that when people watch it, they will look at 593 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 5: Trevor and say, oh, he played well, two hundred and 594 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 5: thirty yards, a touchdown, no interception, that sort of thing, 595 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 5: and control the game, which gets you a win. And 596 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 5: that's the kind of game I'm expecting. I've been wrong. 597 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: You know, you take you take a steady win because 598 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 4: while we have more time this week, the flip side 599 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: of Monday night football is you have less time next 600 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: week to get ready to go to Cleveland, where the 601 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 4: weather will be a factor, and you know it will 602 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 4: be a physical game because that's the way the Browns 603 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 4: are built. 604 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: True, although it feels like Cleveland weather outside right now, 605 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: so they should be mentally prepared by then. I was 606 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: told I was sold Florida was I was not going 607 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: to need. 608 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 2: A coat here, and I'm still well upset about it. 609 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: I got my sweater on today anyway, Are. 610 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 3: You glad you can wear a sweater? 611 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: I do, Actually, I do have a whole winter warndrobe night. 612 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: It's true, this is true. All right, say with us. 613 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna preview the rest of the week coming up 614 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: after the break here on Jagsam DAGs fans. If you 615 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: want to customize Jaguars furniture for your home, check out 616 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: zipchare dot com to browse all customizable options. 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You'll spect your teammateers, fight boom, 625 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 6: honored with. 626 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 5: Your game, Honor this game with two places as a 627 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 5: little kid. 628 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 3: Honor it, man. 629 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: That's all you gotta do. 630 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 6: On Pharmis you give it everything you've got, and I 631 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 6: promised you come outing for you what's that man? 632 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: I say, all right, JaQuel Bars. 633 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: Sounds of the Game out on YouTube and Jaguars dot Com, 634 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: and it's a good one this week. You definitely want 635 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: to check it out. Whenever there's a last second play, 636 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: that's always a good one. 637 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 4: You know, when you when you see some of the 638 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 4: guys who are in that shot. You see Za Jones 639 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 4: and Trayvon Walker, and Dewey's there, Devin Lloyd is there, 640 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 4: Andre Cisco, Johnny's are all guys who a. 641 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: Year ago weren't versed in what this part of the 642 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: year is like. 643 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 4: They had to go through it that every Sunday feels 644 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: like a playoff game because if you lose, you're out. 645 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 4: They would have fallen back in the standings and they 646 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: wouldn't have made the postseason. It's one of the reasons 647 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 4: why I have optimism, besides the schedule that lays out 648 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: over the next couple of weeks, that they can make 649 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 4: a run at the number one seed, because you got 650 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 4: a lot of young, talented guys who are playing better 651 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 4: than they did last year and they know. 652 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: Now what it takes. 653 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 5: Well. It's a mentally a tough team. I mentioned on Monday, 654 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 5: they're mature teams. So they're a good team. They've won 655 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 5: eight straight road games. It's not inconceivable that you could 656 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: go through this road schedule, you know, knock on whatever, 657 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 5: But I mean it's set up. The reason I think 658 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 5: they've got a chance at it, meaning getting that number 659 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 5: one seed, is that they are such a focused and 660 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 5: good road team that it gives them a shot to 661 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 5: get through some games that could be hiccup games. This 662 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 5: team has not hiccuped very often since in the middle 663 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 5: of the last season. They've lost to the Lions, a 664 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 5: good Texans team, the forty nine ers, and the Chiefs. 665 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 5: Usually you got to be pretty good to beat this team. 666 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: Do you remember when what was a losing streak on 667 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: the road? Nineteen or twenty straight game? 668 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 5: It was many, I mean it was it was until 669 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 5: they won their first win twenty or twenty one. Right. 670 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 4: The last road win they had was in Cincinnati in 671 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen. That was the last time they'd won on 672 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 4: the road until last year when they won and I 673 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: forget which was the first road win against Doug and 674 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 4: now they've. 675 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 3: Won every one since. 676 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 4: It was the Chargers out there a week three. Yeah, 677 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 4: that's right, when they won in Los Angeles last year. 678 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 4: It broke a twenty game losing streak on the road 679 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 4: and now they've got eight straight, so right, and that's 680 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 4: a remarkable tournam. 681 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: It really is. 682 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 4: What they've done here is remarkable, and it's why Doug 683 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 4: feels so confident, saying we haven't done anything yet. There's 684 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 4: much more ahead for where they want this franchise to be. 685 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: So it is, but it's in the works and we're 686 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: witnessing it as it happens. So tomorrow on Jackzam, we're 687 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: going to deep dive into that Bengals matchup. Get you 688 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: guys ready for Monday night football, the first Monday Night 689 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: football since twenty eleven here in Jacksonville. All right, we'll 690 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: see you on Thursday morning here on jack Zam.