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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Friday's just got a little arts here, right, Wow,

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Speaker 3: let me get a no swab for this one.

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Speaker 4: This is Morning Combat, May thirteenth, two thousand and twenty two,

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Speaker 4: trying to set the weekend ablaze here in combat sports.

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Speaker 4: My name is your host on this Friday's. Sometimes they

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Speaker 4: call me the beij one, the BBC with that b

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Speaker 4: d E right right, Brian Campbell. But while you may

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Speaker 4: stay for me, you come I disgusting right.

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Speaker 2: You're the worst person in America.

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Speaker 4: I mean, can I just stop right here?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: Could I just like you know, Pacific Ocean, Caspian Sea,

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Speaker 4: Hudson River, right, just naming waters Bro anything to break

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Speaker 4: up that awkwardness right there. But my co host is

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Speaker 4: Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: What's up dude?

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Speaker 4: Hey? I agree you great to see you, great to

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Speaker 4: be back at it and the award winning best damn

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Speaker 4: combat sports show period.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it is Friday Show.

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Speaker 4: Look, we're only a minute in and you look like

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Speaker 4: you would rather be anywhere else than here right now?

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Speaker 4: Is everything cool?

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Speaker 5: No, everything's good, there's nothing wrong. Godzilla is downtown, she's

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Speaker 5: not here back in this part of Tokyo, and uh yes,

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Speaker 4: All right, let's do it. We got a big weekend,

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Speaker 4: and we got a big show to set you up

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Speaker 4: for that. Of course, we're talking about Bellator back this

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Speaker 4: late afternoon on Showtime. We're talking about big time, Showtime

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Speaker 4: champion boxing Saturday night, the undisputed Junior Middleweight Championship rematch

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Speaker 4: between Jamel Charlow and Brian Castanio. And of course we're

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Speaker 4: talking about a very good UFC Fight Night main event

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Speaker 4: in the light heavyweight division. Floyd's k not gonna box.

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Speaker 4: More on that to come, A couple other good things

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Speaker 5: I'm the most predictable ending for all of that.

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Speaker 2: That whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, ever the hell that was? I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 4: surprised mother efforts. Although this, you know it's not his fault, right,

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Speaker 4: it's not his fault at the end.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's not it's not as

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Speaker 5: it doesn't sound like it's a Floyd like f up.

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Speaker 5: I don't mean to suggest that, but like, the whole

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Speaker 5: this is whatever this is isn't a thing.

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Speaker 2: And then it did turn out to not be a thing.

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Speaker 4: Turns out turns out now more on that to come

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Speaker 4: later in the show. Luke, A lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 4: they spoken, They said Fridays are the best episodes you

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Speaker 4: guys could possibly do, because Luke, it's like when they

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Speaker 4: you know, I can score, bro, but when you let

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Speaker 4: me play stocked in to your malone, Okay, they get,

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Speaker 4: we got, we get you know that. That's that's the

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Speaker 2: Right, all right, if you say so.

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm content to understand, Luke that if I

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Speaker 5: Right, You're like the guy from uh along came Polly?

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Speaker 5: It's Paul Thomas Anderson, whoever the fuck it was oh

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is uh, this is Zoe and she's awesome

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Speaker 4: and she's violent, but she you know, she loves very violently, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Luke, I unfortunately have a detailed history of a

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Speaker 4: New York. All right, all right? Not bad? Not bad? Indeed?

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Speaker 4: All right, Luke, do you have anything else that you

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Speaker 5: I saw Freddy gibbson concert last night. That was cool.

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Speaker 4: Who is Freddy Gibbs? Who is that man?

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Speaker 5: You know? Listen, I don't make any I know who

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Speaker 4: I fell asleep. Listen to Miles Davis's nineteen eighty two

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Speaker 5: Which is pretty Gibs. Freddy Gibbs is a rapper and

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Speaker 5: he's he's got an interesting crowd. Bro. It was a

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Speaker 4: like WrestleMania. No, Luke, it's cosplay Central. Okay, you know

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Speaker 4: Hopefully nobody fast forward. Well if you did, here's the

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Speaker 4: Why because this main event is as good as any

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Speaker 4: fight we're gonna see this weekend, and it's former light

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Speaker 5: A question of not Ratchet's Rackets's baseline ability. Can he

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Speaker 4: Look, you can you can keep winning born You'll get

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Speaker 4: then have Rackage at number three. So I believe in

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Speaker 5: I mean, I get what he is saying, and I

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Speaker 5: it matters significantly less than what his historical record is

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Speaker 5: Granted it's different Bouhovich. I'm not saying it's the same guy.

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Speaker 4: In Evil Luke, I'm gonna make a case to you

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Speaker 4: Jakaray Silva five round fight. Can be very systematic and

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Speaker 4: end rackage. That's his. The one crititique we have again

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Speaker 5: I don't think your concern is at all in misplaced, dude.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of ways that Rakich maybe leg kicks

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Speaker 5: He was really good about not biting on He did

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Speaker 5: all over again BC, where he gets the takedown but

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Speaker 5: Also, you're gonna get a scenario whe Rakitch gets the

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Speaker 5: But you know, Rackats has shown a real capacity for

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that like oh one loss to Glover

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the hope here, I mean, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: you're a technical counter striker, you can look offensively amazing

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00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 4: when someone's coming at you and making you do that.

436
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 4: But short of that, I'm wondering if Rackets just you know,

437
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 4: he's had some fights where he's been a little bit safe,

438
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 4: but he's got the win. He's got to this point again,

439
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 4: it kind of mirrors when Yan pulled out that stinker

440
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 4: against Jocarrasuza just to survive in advance, but when given

441
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 4: the moment granted against a different style of Don Reyis,

442
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 4: boy did Belhovich rise to the occasion. How much would

443
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 4: you be surprised if this was the fight where Alexander

444
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 4: Rackets rises to that occasion where we see you know,

445
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 4: intention combinations, a pace where he not only can get

446
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 4: a big the biggest win of his career here, which

447
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 4: could arguably put him next in line for a title shot.

448
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 4: But we're where we may come out of this weekend

449
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 4: going okay, I love me some Glover versus year. He

450
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 4: can't wait to see he was the champion, but we

451
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 4: may have the new champion right here. How shocked would

452
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 4: you be if this was a reversal of personality here

453
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 4: and we see Rackets become the killer that sometimes he

454
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 4: shows he has the potential to be.

455
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 5: A couple things to keep in mind the due to

456
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 5: late changes in some of how his fights have gone,

457
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 5: he actually hasn't been in a five round contest yet,

458
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 5: or at least I don't think he's fight. None of

459
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 5: his fights have gone to the fifth round. The Smith fight, remember,

460
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 5: I think that was put together a sort of semi

461
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 5: semi last minute or removed last minute. They ended up

462
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 5: making a three round contest.

463
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 4: Look are you gonna forget that? I said that about

464
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: two and a half minutes ago or no, the whole.

465
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Speaker 5: I am going to forget that you said that, Well,

466
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 5: I'm just sort of pointing it out, Okay, to answer

467
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 5: the question in this particular way, what does that do

468
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 5: to his game planning late? Like does he just is

469
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 5: it more of the same or is there a noticeable

470
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 5: change as we move into that phase of the game

471
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 5: You're asking the question was how surprised would I be

472
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 5: if it was a little bit more dynamic and then

473
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 5: racket's really really opening up on the feet? Okay, So

474
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 5: I've made the argument that the style itself doesn't necessarily

475
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 5: give me confidence about that the style of matchups. But

476
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 5: what I would say is this is supposed to be

477
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 5: the time I think in Rakatch's development or that kind

478
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 5: of thing should be presenting itself, maybe not this fight

479
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 5: against this opponent. Again, It's not like, okay, now's the

480
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 5: moment now or never we can clearly say this is

481
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 5: the dividing line. It's hard to know that exactly, but

482
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 5: I just do mean. B see, if you look at

483
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 5: the sense losing to Ustemir in twenty nineteen and beating

484
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 5: Smith and beating Santo's now taking on Bohovich, You've gone

485
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 5: to people who contended for the title to now someone

486
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 5: who held it. This is the moment, and he's not

487
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 5: holding it anymore obviously, But this is the moment to

488
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 5: begin to show what you're made of. Yes, And of

489
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 5: course getting the W is the most important, and I

490
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 5: think even if he doesn't rise to some offensive dynamism,

491
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 5: he will probably still get the win. But I would

492
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Speaker 5: say for all of the style considerations that are worth

493
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Speaker 5: I think taken seriously, it is also true that if

494
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 5: Rackets is to really get the best out of himself

495
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 5: and become the most that he can be, this is

496
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 5: that stage of development where you can handle more difficult

497
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 5: pressures and still maintain greater offensive dynamism. Are we just

498
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 5: going to retreat to what we work because it's more

499
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 5: defensively sound because the offense isn't really there? You create

500
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 5: risks by opening up like solving for that as you

501
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 5: develop is the critical consideration here.

502
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Speaker 2: So what I would say is, I.

503
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Speaker 5: Don't think it's the likeliest possibility BCE, but it shouldn't

504
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 5: be all that surprising because I'm kind of waiting for

505
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 5: him to make that turn.

506
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: Anyway.

507
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 4: Well, you have to wonder Luke, if he can establish

508
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 4: the threat of the takedown earlier early in this fight,

509
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 4: which is something you mentioned earlier, maybe that brings down

510
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 4: Yan's guard high guard. Maybe that turns into Yan looking

511
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 4: to press a little bit more as we enter the

512
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 4: second half of this fight, which could open up those

513
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 4: same opportunities for Rockets. But either way, Alexander is going

514
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 4: to have to step up and be the great in

515
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 4: this moment, and Luke, I agree with you. I think

516
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 4: he will. I think it'll be close. I think it'll

517
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 4: be technical. I think it'll be slow at times. But

518
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 4: when it heats up, I think that's where Rockets is

519
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: gonna separate himself. Luke, do you think he should flip

520
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: the gimmick a little and change his nickname to Rocket

521
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 4: and come out by that same song by def Leppard,

522
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 4: so the crowd could yell Rocket Wreckage? Who Rocket? Who Wreckage? No,

523
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 4: that's it's a tribute to the one Armed drummer it.

524
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 2: Was I thought it was just you jacket off.

525
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 4: No, No, okay, sorry, look, sorry about that whole scenario.

526
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 4: We'll just take that back, maybe maybe delete the intro

527
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 4: to the show as well. But that's your main event, Luke,

528
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 4: looking forward to it, looking forward to see how that

529
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: title fight plays out as well with Glover and Yuri Prahatska.

530
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 4: Just what a few weeks away? Fun times for a

531
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 4: light heavyweight division that still feels in transition post John Jones, Luke,

532
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 4: do you have any type of feeling that we will get,

533
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: you know, not a champion with the length of a

534
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 4: Jones or GSP or Anderson Silva, but that we can

535
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 4: get a face to this division, because it's certainly something

536
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 4: we don't have now in the fallout of John Jones,

537
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: And to be fair, we didn't have before John Jones

538
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 4: won the title. We had a bunch of all the

539
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 4: famers trading the title. Are you looking to see us

540
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 4: maybe end this calendar year with the guy who could

541
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Speaker 4: be the champ for a couple of years.

542
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what people want.

543
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 5: Like John Jones is in the division and everyone's like, oh,

544
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 5: it's kind of boring that he's here because he's just

545
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 5: better than everyone.

546
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: And then he's still winning the fights.

547
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 5: But the last stage of his fights, the Rays fight

548
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 5: wasn't so bad, but he had a bunch of stinkers

549
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 5: in the middle there after the Gust of Sin rematch

550
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 5: that we're just like or whatever. So then he leaves

551
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 5: and everyone's like, oh now we miss Jones because there's

552
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 5: too much parody. I'm like, what the fuck y'all want?

553
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 2: Man, listen? I like both scenarios.

554
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 5: I like certain cases where divisions are dominated by a

555
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 5: preeminent figure and he lords over them and that's kind

556
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 5: of fun for whatever reasons that that situation may be.

557
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 5: I'm loving the parody at Light Heavyweight. To be honest

558
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 5: with you, Glover is the champ as it stands. We'll

559
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 5: see what happens at UFC two seventy five. But you know,

560
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 5: can Rackage become the faith anyone? BC could listen from

561
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: Smith on Up, Smith on caliab Rakitch, Prahadschka, Blakhovich or Glover.

562
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 5: Some of those you would say are more likely to

563
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 5: become the face of the division of the other ones.

564
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 5: But none of those guys, to me, are out of it.

565
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 5: On Calia is a strong candidate, Rackage is a strong candidate.

566
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 5: Any of those guys could potentially take over and really

567
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 5: put their stamp on this division. But to be honest

568
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 5: with you, BC, I don't think it's gonna be like that.

569
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 5: I think these guys are all gonna take turns at

570
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 5: the top, or a few of them anywhere are gonna

571
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 5: take turns at the top. They're gonna pass it around.

572
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: This fight is gonna tell us who might and it

573
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 5: probably will be next, especially if it's rackets.

574
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna give it to them.

575
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 5: So no, I don't think that there's Is it possible

576
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 5: that one guy could be just way better than the rest, Yes,

577
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 5: but the evidence tells us that there's actually that doesn't

578
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: exist right now. There's just too much parody at the top.

579
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 5: And I love it paying the title around.

580
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: I like seeing guys win. It's cool.

581
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 4: I like the way you just throw out casually better

582
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: than the rest, right Green two Rad machin a head.

583
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: Look if the light heavyweight division was a mirror of

584
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: the MMA journalism picture at the moment, and maybe you know,

585
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 4: John Jones in Ariel Hawani would be a like Ariels.

586
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 4: Now moving on to other things like women's boxing and

587
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: and peloton interviews and stuff like that, that must make

588
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: me Yary Prahatska right, and your old ask glover to

589
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 4: shaa right.

590
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 5: I think it makes you more like post trt V tour.

591
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: You know.

592
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: I'll also take that I'll also take that okay.

593
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 5: Good, good, good for three minutes and then everything falls

594
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 5: off that.

595
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: Well in other areas of my life, Luke, I can

596
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: only hope for that type of longevity, believe me on

597
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: that one. Look this card, it's not gonna blow you away.

598
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 4: There are a couple other things worse worth mentioning. How

599
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 4: much opportunity do you see in this co main event

600
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: offering within the same division, Luke, as we see Ryan Span,

601
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: who you know stepped up to the main event level,

602
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 4: took a set back against Ion or Yon or Eon

603
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 4: or you know. Look, I don't really know. I'm gonna

604
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 4: be honest with you. To me, it's Ion Kute Lava.

605
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: You could tell me where I messed up. But do

606
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 4: you like this at all?

607
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: Call him?

608
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 5: Call him Ion Adasania.

609
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I am a dessin Lava. Do you like this

610
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: fight at all? Luke? I mean, there is potential for

611
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 4: fun here, but do you even like this fight?

612
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 5: I like this fight? I mean listen, listen to their

613
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 5: average fight times. Ryan Span five minutes and seventeen seconds.

614
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 5: That's through twenty six well not twenty six fights. That's

615
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: through all his UFC fights. It's through a lot of

616
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: them and then uh, kute Lava His average five time

617
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 5: is eight minutes and twenty three seconds. These dudes probably

618
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: are not gonna make it out of the second round

619
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 5: by average estimations on this, and so what's really not

620
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: to like?

621
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: Now?

622
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: There are a ton of steaks for Ryan Span. He's

623
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: in the top fifteen. I don't think Cute Lava is.

624
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 5: But you know, kute Laba is a fucking wild man

625
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: bro and he's also now with extreme couture training with

626
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 5: Eric NICKXX, so I think they're trying to tighten up

627
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 5: some things with him as well and make them a

628
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 5: little bit better.

629
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this should be a dude, should be a really

630
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: fun fight.

631
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 5: Kute lava a lands nearly five strikes per minutes, super

632
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 5: fucking high. Yeah, I mean he's.

633
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: Fun as balls. Luke, you know, with the way in

634
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: gimmicks that he does with his fighting style, he seems

635
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 4: like he'll fight anybody in a hotel lobby if given

636
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: the chance. Luke just two and three with one no

637
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: contest Kuti Laba in his last six, but did look

638
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: like he was turning in a better direction last time

639
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: out when he got the win. It should be interesting here.

640
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: Ryan SPAN's got some got some explaining to do to

641
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 4: be fair, right, you know, he's lost two of three,

642
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: but there was that moment there that he was pushed

643
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: to the main event level. Is he gonna be be

644
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: a guy he came up empty lot to win back

645
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: in that moment, Luke, when you look up and down

646
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 4: beyond the co Maine and the main know, of course,

647
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: what's jumping out to me is that fight that we

648
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 4: were puzzled by the women's flyweight matchup of a re

649
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: signed Caitlyn Chukajian against an Amanda Hebos who has moved

650
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 4: up from one to fifteen. But I still, even after researching, Luke,

651
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: haven't gotten the idea that it's permanent. It may just

652
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: be an opportunity. Is that the fight that you've got

653
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: circled in the most on the rest of the car.

654
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: What else you got for me?

655
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: No, Well, there's some good ones, uh everywhere, But the

656
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: one that's gonna stand out to me probably the most,

657
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 5: is gonna be if very A jeng Roba taken on

658
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 5: Angela Hill. I think it's a hugely important fight. Angela Hill.

659
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 5: This is gonna be her twentieth UFC fight. Can you

660
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 5: believe that twentieth and she's only been the organization since

661
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen, only fought once that year about granted in December,

662
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 5: So you get the idea and listen. She's lost one, two, three,

663
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: She's lost four of her last five. But here's the thing.

664
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 5: The Kadalia one was super close. The Michelle Waterson one

665
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 5: was super close. Then she beats Ashley Yoder, the Tisha

666
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 5: Torres one. I thought Torres won. I didn't think that

667
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: was super close, and then the Lamosh one, another split decision.

668
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 5: She keeps coming up on just the wrong end of

669
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 5: these split decision ones, And dude, Jeni Roba is a

670
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 5: fucking hammer. She's very good in this division. Her last five.

671
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 5: She is also coming off of some losses to Amanda

672
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 5: Heboss and Mackenzie Dern, but she had some wins over

673
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 5: Harrig and Marada. Like, dude, this is a kind of

674
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 5: an important fight for Angela Hill, not really to get

675
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 5: right with the win streak, but to kind of show,

676
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 5: like what level of opponent you can graduate past?

677
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: A great and you know, just.

678
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: Just coming up on those split decisions all the time

679
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 5: tells you she's in it, but she can't quite put

680
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 5: her stamp on it. She got just to go in

681
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 5: there and put her stamp on one of these people,

682
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 5: and this would be a phenomenal opponent to do it.

683
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: But of course much easier said.

684
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: Than yeah jji row. But looks like she's figured out

685
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: how to consistently beat this level of competition. But it's

686
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: time to rise and do that at a higher one.

687
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: Angela Hill a good test for that. Verna a minus

688
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: one seventy favorite Hill plus one fifty. Also in that

689
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: women's flyweight bot I mentioned minus one eighty is to

690
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: kgen is your favorite one fifty five plus? Heboss, Uh,

691
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: you know, Luke, you're gonna get kg B Lee back.

692
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: I don't know if you care about that. We talked

693
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: about Michael Johnson's return. Yeah, Luke, this fight card sucks.

694
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: Thank you.

695
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

696
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not great. It's really not great at all.

697
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 5: There's a couple of the ones. David Grand versus Lewis

698
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 5: Smoka will be fun. It will be fun.

699
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

700
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: And by the way, I've been mentioning him before, but Tetsuo,

701
00:31:52,320 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 5: excuse me, Tatsuro Tyra taking on Carlos Candelario. Tyra is

702
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 5: worth paying attention to as a potential prospect I mean

703
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: this is his UFC debut, so you know, have very

704
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: much managed expectations, but found someone to keep your eye on.

705
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 4: Indeed, Luke, Okay, yes, indubitably you've got me intimately invested

706
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: in a tyra for the first time since Banks was

707
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: on the cover of that SI Swimson issue.

708
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 5: Luke, So that was that was in high school. I

709
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 5: never wanted to be a grain of sand more in

710
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 5: my life.

711
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: Agreed. Agreed, indeed, all right, Luke. Our second topic sends

712
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: us to London, and again it's gonna go down for

713
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 4: Eastern unless somebody can prove me wrong. Today on Showtime London, England,

714
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: it's Bellator two eighty one, and boy do we have

715
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: a great main event for you, the interim welterweight Championship

716
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 4: on the line. We talk storylines Wednesday, and of course

717
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: the champion, Yaroslav Amasov, who has that very close win

718
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: over Logan Story, had to pull out of this one.

719
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: He's gonna fight the winner. But we've got an MVP homecoming,

720
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: as I said on Wednesday against Logan story, where at

721
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: its face value, what one guy does great. MVP's dynamics

722
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: striking is the kryptonite in some ways, for the other

723
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: guy and Logan story, although he did show improved striking

724
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 4: of course in a backbone against Neman Gracie, but this

725
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 4: ain't Neeman Gracie. And then obviously Logan Storley's wrestling game. Look,

726
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 4: that's the hole in Michael Venam Page's game. If you

727
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: can get him down and if you can lay on him,

728
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: and if you can make it work, very few have

729
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: for long sustained stretches. So, Luke, the only thing I'm

730
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: really surprised about here entering this fight, which I'm really

731
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: straight up being honest. Great matchup gonna tell us so

732
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: much about both, no shortage of stakes, but the odds

733
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 4: makers Logan Storley minus two point eighty Michael Page plus

734
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 4: two twenty five. So Luke, it's a five round bout. Okay,

735
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: Storley's shown us in the past. He's got a gas take,

736
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 4: he's tough, he's all that stuff. I already told you

737
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: he has the style that, if anything, can neutralize MVP.

738
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: But Dude, MVP is a I mean, suckers don't play him, Luke,

739
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: and if they do, they end up looking at the lights,

740
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: bro and including some celebrity suckers along that way, I

741
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 4: don't get these odds at all. Set me straight, Luke.

742
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 5: Well, so there's a couple of things happening here, but

743
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 5: the big one to me is what's happened is that

744
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 5: people are not up to date on what the most

745
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 5: modern fair criticism of MVP should be. So there was

746
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 5: a while there where it was like he wasn't fighting

747
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 5: on he was can crushing, and I certainly wouldn't stand

748
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 5: in the way of that argument. There was a lot

749
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 5: of times where he was just fighting guys and you

750
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 5: were like, they're just setting them up to look good

751
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 5: in this home market, which, by the way, I don't

752
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 5: I don't take I don't take issue with either. I

753
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 5: think UFC should do more of that, to be honest

754
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 5: with you, but neither here nor there. So he does that,

755
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 5: and then he gets to a pretty advanced record twenty

756
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 5: and one, and the argument is still, well, he hasn't

757
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 5: beaten anyone, but of course we know that he has,

758
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: and of course in his last contest he beat he

759
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 5: beat Lima, and Lima is not logan story. So the

760
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 5: so what I want to point out is that the

761
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 5: style contrast and the reasons for enthusiasm for story are

762
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 5: real But this is the point.

763
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: I actually think that Michael Page got.

764
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 5: Better in that time, and there isn't enough acknowledgment of that.

765
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 5: When I say better, I mean not just better about,

766
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: you know, making his offense work, which he always did,

767
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: but he kind of lorded over overmatched opposition. Now his

768
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 5: defense is a lot better, His takedown defense is a

769
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 5: lot better. His space is space seeing, his awareness of

770
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 5: distance is a lot better. His take down along the

771
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: fence line has actually gotten pretty good all things consider,

772
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 5: like this idea that he can just be taken down

773
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 5: for five rounds and you know that once he gets

774
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 5: down there's no hope. Listen, logan story probably should be

775
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 5: favored to do a wrestling heavy game plan and win.

776
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 5: But I don't agree with the odds as far apart

777
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: as they AREBC, because I don't think they account for

778
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 5: at this point through twenty one professional contests, Michael Page

779
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 5: is better than what this than the skepticism and the

780
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 5: criticism of him that was relevant five years ago accounts for.

781
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: I think that would be an argument.

782
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 4: I'll give it fair play that it's hard to put

783
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 4: odds on a guy like MVP because we know he could,

784
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 4: you know, in theory he could finish anyone at any

785
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: time with something that they just don't see coming. He's

786
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 4: also thirty five, so it's like now or never. You

787
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 4: also go up and down that Wikipedia page, Luke, and

788
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, yeah, he won the Paul Daily fight,

789
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: but that was one of the first worst fights in

790
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: him in my history in terms of output and offense.

791
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: Got the split decision win last time against Lima, but

792
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 4: Lima was you know, wrestling and did moments to stay

793
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: in that fight. But look, that's a great win. But

794
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: when you go beyond that, then you're like, Okay, Derek

795
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: Anderson Dann he dominated him and that's a credible walter

796
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: weight contender for Bellatur. But after that, Luke, yeah, it

797
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 4: does go to can't crush your territory. So it is

798
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: a much smaller sample in theory and storly style of wrestling.

799
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 4: Is can be a safe betting proposition, especially considering he

800
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 4: just went five rounds for the first time against Gracie

801
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 4: and like I said, showed us that he's not gonna

802
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 4: guess out, that he's not gonna you know, fall apart

803
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: that he bit down in got through it. But Luke Thomas,

804
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: the difference between these two. While in wrestling it's large

805
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: right striking, I also think it's really large I do.

806
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: I think Logan Stirley has improved his striking and confidence

807
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: to a level where he could be the guy like

808
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 4: Nieman Gracie, to a level where got where he could

809
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: compete against the champ. You are a saw of Amazov,

810
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: but still lose a close thriller. But does he have

811
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 4: the striking if plan A doesn't go his way? If

812
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: MVP can either stuff a takedown which probably isn't that likely,

813
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 4: but more more likely for MVP is you gotta strike.

814
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 4: You've got to put the fear in that that knee

815
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: is there if he shoots. If this has to be

816
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 4: on the feet for long stretches, Luke, I don't think

817
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 4: Logan Sterle is on this level. That's why to me,

818
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: given all those uncertainties, I think it's a pick'm fight.

819
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: I get that odds have to go in a certain

820
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 4: way to induce betting, But am I being a little

821
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 4: bit too harsh here that although it's you know, it's

822
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: nice what he did against Stephen Gracie, that's also not

823
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: an elite striker that he was up against.

824
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't.

825
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 5: It wasn't a very different kind of striker two. But no,

826
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 5: I agree with you if this, if he can't really

827
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: get the takedown, or for whatever reason, long stretches of

828
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 5: the fight are taking place on the feet, unless MVP

829
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 5: is truly cowed into not really opening up by virtue

830
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: of creating any opening. He's like, he's so worried about

831
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 5: the takedown he doesn't want to do anything, which is also,

832
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: by the way in play, We've seen a little bit

833
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: of that from him earlier in his career.

834
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: I think lists less so of late.

835
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 5: But yes, like I do, I think that logan story

836
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 5: can win five rounds on the feet. I absolutely do

837
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 5: not believe that he has. The takedown has to be

838
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 5: a centerpiece of his game, not merely the takedown itself,

839
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 5: but the threat of it, the time it affords, not

840
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 5: standing the opportunity to throw ground and pound from that position.

841
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 5: He needs to cut MVP open. He needs to really

842
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: just absolutely brutalize him, take it to him, just trying

843
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 5: to wrestle his way to positional control. Battles by itself,

844
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 5: it might win the first, second, the third round, but

845
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 5: this one continues MV people hammer him late so yes, dude,

846
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 5: I very much share your assessment. It's not the only

847
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 5: way he has to win. Was the only punishment he

848
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: can dish out on the ground, But that is the

849
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 5: bulk and the most important offense he'll have. That's got

850
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: to be there. It's got to be there otherwise he

851
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 5: can't win.

852
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 4: And look, even though MVP did lose the first leam

853
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 4: of fight, he was a threat and a danger there,

854
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 4: and every time we have seen him step up against

855
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: the best, you can see just how far ahead he

856
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 4: is in the striking game and why they have to

857
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: take such care. I think the best case scenario here, Luke,

858
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 4: is if this fight goes in the championship rounds and

859
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 4: both established themselves, both have rounds in which they are

860
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: controlling the terms, and we can enter a position where, okay,

861
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: you know, whoever finishes strong could win this on the

862
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: cards if we go there. But Luke, in the end,

863
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 4: I don't think we go there. I think that MVP

864
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 4: is gonna get taken down. He's gonna have some compromising situations.

865
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: But when this fight goes deep, I think he's just

866
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 4: so dangerous at all times. Whether this fight goes deep,

867
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 4: because it was boring or not. I think MVP's going

868
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: to be in a position at any point to land

869
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 4: that strike. And even though I love the intention of Storly,

870
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 4: the toughness that South Dakota coda I used to clean

871
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: up on Friday nights in the parking lot of a

872
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: car show type vibe, all that's there, you can still

873
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: get caught with some shit in round four on a

874
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: flying knee from MVP Luke, and I think that's what happens.

875
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 4: I think he finishes Storly. This is the moment in

876
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 4: his career at thirty five, it's been stretched out. We've

877
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 4: been waiting a while for this moment. I think he

878
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: gets it and we start pounding them drums for the

879
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: undisputed championship out against Amasov, the full champ, the unbeaten one,

880
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 4: whenever he's available after this conflict.

881
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 5: I'm going to go the opposite way. I think Story

882
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 5: gets into trouble but gets it done one way or

883
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 5: the other. And we look at the rematch between Amasov

884
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 5: and Story. Amasov story too. And I've said it before,

885
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 5: if you've not seen the first ones, one of the

886
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: best fights a pardon me, one of the best fights

887
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 5: that Bellator has ever put on certainly in that welterweight division.

888
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 5: That says a lot of given who's been in there,

889
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 5: can't wait to see it.

890
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: All right, all right, quick, as we transition here to

891
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 4: the rest of this card, I want to shout out

892
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: one of our great listeners from Houston, Texas, Nick and

893
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: I K looking at you, Luky, he live. DM me said,

894
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: my mom's a huge deaf Leopard fan. So shout out

895
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: to the to Nick and his family.

896
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 5: That's the demo. You fucking are talking to you right now, BC.

897
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: That you.

898
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: That's the demo, you old piece of garbage. That's who

899
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 5: you someone one of our listeners moms, motherfucker.

900
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm here for the moms too, Luke. Okay, all right,

901
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 4: I'm at that age. Okay, rah rah like a dungeon cougar.

902
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: All right, Luke. This cole main event is former UFC

903
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: champion but now not retired, Leota Machedah, who Luke in

904
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 4: this twilight of his career with Bellatour has you know,

905
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: I mean, he shows flashes of being the same guy,

906
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: but you know it's it's a it's a stopping shop

907
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: diet coke version. But to his credit, he's still capable

908
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 4: and he's in there against Fabian Edwards, who's a minus

909
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 4: one sixty betting favorite against the plus one forty Macheetah Luke.

910
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: You would think in the history of combat sports, we

911
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: feed our old to our young. This is an opportunity

912
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 4: for Fabian Edwards to make a statement against a name.

913
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 4: Do you see him as the type of guy who

914
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: makes these type of statements.

915
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 5: Not to this point, I mean, he he'd lost to

916
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 5: Austin Vanderferd and I realized Vanderford has sort of sullied

917
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 5: his name with the lack of a performance he had

918
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 5: against Musaci. But he can wrestle when he he is good,

919
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 5: So that's not the end of the world. But you

920
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 5: look at like Edwards's wins, there aren't any wins over

921
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: any noteworthy opposition.

922
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: To your point, Macheetah.

923
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 5: Is you know, he's coming up on the MK version

924
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 5: of himself, Like he's I'm not saying he's washed, but

925
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 5: he is definitely very much post prime. So like that

926
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 5: makes it competitive, But like, is there a ton of

927
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 5: reason to believe that Edwards can just waltz in there

928
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 5: and establish himself as you know clearly and demons demonstratively

929
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 5: better it's possible, but he would have to show something

930
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 5: to this point that he hasn't yet.

931
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: I think that's the way I would couch it.

932
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: You know what I would like to do to add

933
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: a little spice onto these fights, like Fabian Edward's the

934
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: assassin right nine and two twenty nine years old that

935
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: has established himself to a certain degree as a name,

936
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 4: fought Austin Vanderford, as you mentioned, although he's coming off

937
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: a two fight losing skid. No Wikipedia page, Luke, you

938
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: know you got to go deep down the food chain

939
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: and go you know, sure dog or tapology to find

940
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: a morsel of information on the ready when you're co

941
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 4: hosting a live podcast, just to remind yourself who this

942
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 4: guy just fought. Shouldn't we just in fights like this

943
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 4: just go okay? If Fabian Edwards wins, we contact Wikipedia,

944
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 4: we get we get a lonely fan out there to

945
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 4: cook him up a nice quick bio. We'll put BC

946
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 4: as the bang bus driver like they did to you,

947
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: Luke on your Wikipedia page. I mean, what is the

948
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 4: I've seen fighters with far less acclaim or a name

949
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: have a Wikipedia page, Luke. Do Why do I care

950
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 4: about such meaningless shit?

951
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 5: I don't know, because I gotta tell you I don't.

952
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 5: You know, I don't.

953
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: It's definitely the difference between you know me and people

954
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 4: who you know enjoyed a much more aggressive social life

955
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: in their prime.

956
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

957
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: I mean I was close, Luke, I was you know,

958
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 4: I was on the back, like, oh, we'll.

959
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 5: Get a lonely person to write this Wikipedia entry. Why

960
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 5: they got to be lonely?

961
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: BC? Maybe they have friends and they just like Wikipedia.

962
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: Uh, Luke Denise Keelholtz, Conna, what Nabby is good fight

963
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: here for Conny?

964
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: Why Nabby?

965
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 5: Jesus could you say that with less acclaim?

966
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 4: My Lord, Luke, I did not like I did something ridiculous,

967
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Come on plus two fifteen, No,

968
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: be your underdog who yes, wants to remove that taste

969
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: in our mouth we had of Liz car Moosh running

970
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: through her on her way to capturing that women's flyweight

971
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 4: Flyway Yeah one twenty five championship. Luke Keelholtz is the

972
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: minus two sixty five favorite here? Can what no be?

973
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: Fill that hole that her striking defense upstairs is not there?

974
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: That Carmosh exposed.

975
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 5: You're you're the worst person in America, I want you

976
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 5: to know that you're the worst person.

977
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: No, I do that was completely unintentional.

978
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 5: Is that why you stopped after saying the word hole?

979
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 2: Is that why?

980
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 4: No?

981
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 5: No?

982
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 4: That look, I'll I'd say a lot, I make a

983
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: lot of shit. I'm I was made for dead wrong Luke, Okay,

984
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 4: I was made for canceling. But no, I did not

985
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: plan that one.

986
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 5: But that's just I would just say. I would just

987
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 5: say this what Nabby is sufficiently offensive and can and

988
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 5: can be a sort of a forward pushing force. But dude,

989
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 5: Kiel Holtz is more athletic, better striker, has great judo,

990
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 5: so you know, great takedowns can mix it up in

991
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 5: the clinch.

992
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: I don't like kill.

993
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: Holtz would really have to have a bad game plan

994
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 5: to me, or be injured or something to lose this contest.

995
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 5: She should absolutely take it to Watt Nabby in this fight,

996
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 5: and maybe it takes her a little bit to get going.

997
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 5: Doesn't happen right away, but I honestly, I would be

998
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: surprised not if this one goes the distance, I'll take

999
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 5: that back. I would be very so. I don't know

1000
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 5: what the odds are, but I'd be surprised if Kilholtz

1001
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 5: loses this one.

1002
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: All right, there you go. Paul Day, as we mentioned

1003
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: also back for I think his last fight is I

1004
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: don't know where he's at.

1005
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 5: With this Student's had like ten last fights. This is

1006
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 5: allegedly his last one, but we'll see.

1007
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 4: Minus three point thirty five. The betting favorite is daily

1008
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: against the replacement when Jacomo at plus two sixty.

1009
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 5: Okay, by the way, Daniel Weischer versus Robert Whiteford on

1010
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 5: the card, Whiteford, I think UFC VET.

1011
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fischel at thirty seven, still hammering, Luke, all.

1012
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 2: Right, still still good.

1013
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 5: Oliver Encamp Also I think a UFC VET on this

1014
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 5: card as well. Take it on Mark Lemoner. So there's

1015
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 5: some other fights up and down this card that are

1016
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 5: sort of worth taking seriously.

1017
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 4: Yes, Conor McGregor, Buddy Charlie Warren as we mentioned also there, Luke.

1018
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 4: Let's go over to topic three, and wow, do we

1019
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: have a big one in boxing this weekend. We mentioned

1020
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 4: it. It goes down Saturday night, tripleheader showtime nine pm Eastern

1021
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: from the world's most famous ring that creates giant action brawls.

1022
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 4: Some call it the punch Bowl. Some call it the uh,

1023
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: the War Grounds, the Den of Sin. You know, you

1024
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 4: can call it dis Dignity Health Sports Park if you

1025
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: want to me. It's the damn StubHub Center. But who

1026
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: cares where they're fighting? Oh, in this case you should

1027
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: because when Jamel Charlot and Brian Coistan you'll meet for

1028
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: a second time Saturday night. There's a lot, a lot

1029
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 4: of things telling us we could be in for great

1030
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 4: theater from the variety of action, not just their styles,

1031
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 4: not just how good. The first fight was last July

1032
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 4: in San Antonio, when we had a very disputed split

1033
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 4: draw on a fight that it kind of felt like

1034
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: Castanio had done enough. But Luke, we have won. Jermeal Charlo,

1035
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 4: who brings three of the one hundred and fifty four

1036
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 4: pound world titles into this undisputed matchup against Castanio, who's

1037
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: got the fourth. Of course, Luke, he says, this week,

1038
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna knock this motherfucker out more or less. I'm

1039
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: you know, you're not gonna see that, Luke. The last

1040
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 4: time that Charlo felt he got wronged or what have you.

1041
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: I get that this is different because when he lost

1042
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: to Tony Harrison in twenty eighteen, he felt he got

1043
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 4: robbed this time. Some people felt Castanio got robbed. But

1044
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 4: here's Charlo. You know what he did to wrong? To

1045
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 4: right that wrong, he knocked Harrison the hell out in

1046
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 4: the rematch one year later. Is that getting you pretty

1047
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: exciting to hear that if we see an offensive minded

1048
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 4: jermeal Charlo not just a counterpuncher, that you know, we

1049
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: not only could see this thing blow up, but Kastano

1050
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 4: better watch out.

1051
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: I think it's possible.

1052
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 5: I rewatched this fight PC in anticipation for today and

1053
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 5: to talk about this with you, and then I watched

1054
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 5: what some other folks had to say about it. So

1055
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 5: I really tried to think about this fight like what

1056
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 5: could be different the next time? And I keep coming

1057
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 5: back to one central thought on this. There's no doubt

1058
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 5: in my mind that the more well rounded, skillful boxer

1059
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 5: of the two is Charlo.

1060
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that's I don't.

1061
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 5: I just don't know how you could look at the

1062
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: tape and say that that Castano's got more skill. Individual

1063
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 5: particular tactics that he used were quite effective that gave

1064
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 5: Charlo some trouble. But again, the well rounded boxing ability

1065
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 5: edge would go to Charlo. And we've talked about the

1066
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 5: fact that he has more room to improve. But dude,

1067
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 5: the one thing that keeps me like making that I

1068
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 5: know this fight is going to be close is when

1069
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 5: it's time for Castano to work. There's not a doubt

1070
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 5: in my mind. He puts on the helmet, grabs his

1071
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 5: lunge pail, and clocks in for his shift. Charlo takes

1072
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 5: time off in a fight, does he not? Like I'm

1073
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: not saying it's the most consequential that he hasn't come

1074
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 5: back from it Tony Harrison and you know, in the

1075
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 5: rematch or whatever.

1076
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: But dude, he takes.

1077
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 5: Rounds of someones, He takes rounds off, he takes big

1078
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 5: moments of rounds off or long stretches. Anyway, I don't

1079
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 5: know if I really believe that Charlo can win, not

1080
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: because he's not better.

1081
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 2: BC.

1082
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 5: I do think he's better, but he has to have

1083
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 5: a sufficient work rate in both his footwork staying off

1084
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 5: the rope line, which he did not do a lot

1085
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 5: of times. And that's where Chastino did very much his

1086
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 5: best work. And I really wonder when he gets tired

1087
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 5: through round six or seven, is he still going to

1088
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 5: be moving on his feet enough to bring all of

1089
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 5: his many talents to life. If he does, no doubt

1090
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 5: in my mind that he wins, But I don't know

1091
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 5: if he does BC, so that really makes it strange

1092
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 5: for me.

1093
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 4: Well, look, there's no shortage of motivation here for Charlo.

1094
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 4: Like I said, you know, he had the hiccup in

1095
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 4: the past against Tony Erson. But let's also ask ourselves

1096
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 4: why did he have that hiccup against Harrison. Harrison's a

1097
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 4: very good boxer, even though we can punch two, and

1098
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: he's a very good counter boxer. And Harrison kind of

1099
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: took away Jermale's jab in their first fight, lowered his

1100
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: output completely and just pit pot shot of him. The

1101
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 4: problem was we didn't see Charlo in that fight step

1102
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: on the gas. Now, even to be fair Luke, in

1103
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: the rematch, we didn't see Charlo step on that gas

1104
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 4: until late. I thought Harrison was out boxing him for

1105
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 4: a while, and then you know, Land, Charlo lands the

1106
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: big one in round eleven to finish him. You're so

1107
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 4: right on work rate. If his jab isn't a factor

1108
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: offensively not defensively, he can't win this fight. Because, Yeah, Castano,

1109
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 4: I think overachieved by how easy he was able to

1110
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 4: get inside. But also let's Giveatanyo a ton of credit

1111
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: for a straight ahead, aggressive, almost brawler. His defense is

1112
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: so on point, head movement, high guard, the swivel. He

1113
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 4: just does not get lit up cleanly with big shots.

1114
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: So Luke, he was able to get inside. As you

1115
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: mentioned Rouns two and three, he pinched Charlo on the ropes,

1116
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 4: he lands big left hooks. I can't see that same

1117
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 4: Charlo again and who's trying to do this Canelo thing

1118
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 4: from the outside and land that one perfect punch to

1119
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: end the fight, because we've already seen it now in

1120
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: two Harrison fights and this first Castano one that it's

1121
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 4: not gonna be enough for every judge. Now, you know,

1122
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 4: Charlo did come on at the end of this first

1123
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: Castano fight and in the last four rounds really stepped

1124
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: up his pace and kind of went after Castano. And

1125
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: there is you know, a subset of people going Look,

1126
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 4: those last three four rounds of that first fight. Could

1127
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 4: could be Jermel finally having figured out him out. But

1128
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: either way, Luke, he figured him out too late. We

1129
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 4: cannot see him giving away rounds early. And to me,

1130
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 4: he loves when he's in it with a guy who

1131
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 4: he perceives. When Charlo perceives his opponent is not as

1132
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 4: quick or technical as him, I think he falls into

1133
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 4: this almost like, oh, oh shit, I'm gonna end him

1134
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 4: with one perfect one. So it's like Luke, when you're

1135
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 4: playing video games against somebody, or you know, you're a

1136
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 4: lot better than you're just screwing around trying to do

1137
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: half cord alley oops and stuff. And I think he

1138
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: maybe came in with that mindset and then got surprised

1139
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: figured Kastano out late, made it close, but not enough. Dude.

1140
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 4: He's got to come out most importantly with that jab

1141
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 4: as a weapon, because you need to stop Kastano from

1142
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 4: getting inside. That's where he is very hard to keep

1143
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 4: down because he's more technical than he looks, his defense

1144
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: is better than he looks, and he has a friggin motor.

1145
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: But even though he's a classed up brawler in some ways,

1146
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 4: and I don't I hate even using that term because

1147
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 4: you know, I don't mean brawler as like caveman. But

1148
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 4: even though he's a classed up cave man, Luke, if

1149
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 4: this fight gets technical, man, he's not on that level,

1150
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 4: so you need to keep him away from the areas

1151
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 4: in which he can be technically raw, and that's on

1152
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 4: the inside. Castano cannot have this same success if he's

1153
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 4: on the outside. So, Luke, when I hear Charlo coming

1154
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 4: in saying, oh fuck, I'm gonna knock this guy out,

1155
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 4: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna show y'all. He has

1156
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 4: no shortage of motivation. He got a mulligan to get

1157
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: this rematch in many ways, and he has a chance

1158
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: to be the undisputed champion. If he loses, he's got nothing.

1159
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: So I think we're going to see a guy who

1160
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 4: comes in and he's gonna have to take more chances.

1161
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: And you know, Luke, I did interview Derek James's trainer

1162
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: a couple months ago that is still available YouTube dot

1163
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 4: com Slash Morning Combat, and I brought up, look, you know,

1164
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: we're always complaining that he's not throwing enough punches, and

1165
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 4: you know, I feel like Charlo can't figure out am

1166
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 4: I better as a boxer or am I as better

1167
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 4: as a puncher? And sometimes that's great, but sometimes it

1168
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: looks like Charlo's miscast. He doesn't know what he should be.

1169
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 4: Now James says, look, this is what makes him great.

1170
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 4: You never know what's coming. What do you want him

1171
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 4: to go in there and just take punishment all the time. No,

1172
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 4: we're not asking him that all the time. But this

1173
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 4: isn't underspeted championship out. I think if Jamel comes in

1174
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 4: with that intention that says, look, I'm gonna I might

1175
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 4: have to get it, may get dirty in the first three, four,

1176
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 4: five rounds, but as long as I establish this foundation

1177
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 4: that if he's gonna get over that line, my jab

1178
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: and of course my right hand, which he can do

1179
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 4: in the upbring, he can do in a variety of

1180
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 4: ways to get people out of there. Luke Charlo wants

1181
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: that big, combustible moment and he likes to wait for

1182
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: it to come to him. He can create that moment,

1183
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: is really what I'm saying off of his jab, and

1184
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 4: I think, although Kastano you have to respect him, I

1185
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 4: think he's gonna find out Castano is a bit more

1186
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: limited when he fights at mid or long range than

1187
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 4: when he is up in your grill. If Charlo can

1188
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: create that space between, yeah, dude, I think he will

1189
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 4: end up knocking Brian Castano out.

1190
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say two things.

1191
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 5: I agree with your jab take, but I really believe

1192
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 5: we should add something to it. I imagine this, Imagine

1193
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 5: that very different fighters, very different fight styles. But imagine

1194
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 5: that Charlo had Arislandi Laura's evasive footwork, in which means

1195
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 5: that Brian Castano never really got a clear opportunity to

1196
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 5: batter Charlo along the ropes. Does Charlo, excuse me? Does

1197
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 5: Castano have a real chance to win that fight? In

1198
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 5: your estimation?

1199
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: Do you think if Charlo, and this is in play

1200
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: for his skill set, if you wanted to, if he

1201
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 4: came in with a game plan that was one hundred

1202
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 4: percent circled on, is focused on circling away, jab into

1203
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 4: the body and stepping back, you know, could he win

1204
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 4: that way? I don't know, Luke, because he switches so

1205
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 4: often in his style and then often just sets up

1206
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 4: and shop as a counterpuncher. I tend to have the

1207
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 4: same questions you do if he has the twelve round

1208
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 4: stamina to pull that off, or if he doesn't deviate

1209
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 4: the script, because there are situations where he should deviate

1210
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 4: that script and be that power puncher. So I think

1211
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 4: it's still a gamble if you went with that strategy.

1212
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 5: Okay, So, but here's the point I want to make.

1213
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 5: It's a gamble in that sense. However, if you're denying

1214
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 5: Castano opportunity against the ropes, it's very, very very difficult

1215
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 5: for Castaango to win. If he doesn't have those moment,

1216
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 5: those pronounced moments along the ropes, he can't really outbox Charlo.

1217
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 5: It's just not really possible, and he can't really even

1218
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 5: do his biggest power punching. It only comes when the

1219
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 5: ropes assist Castano in restricting the movement and then limiting

1220
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 5: what kind of offensive and defense of choices Charlo has

1221
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 5: plain his day. So I'm going to say that I

1222
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 5: agree with your jab take. I really want to emphasize

1223
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 5: the footwork take from Tarlo. It's not like he always

1224
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 5: has to be on the back foot, but if he

1225
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 5: is going to be on the back foot, he needs

1226
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 5: to be really on.

1227
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: The move with it.

1228
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 5: And the last thing I'm going to say BC is

1229
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 5: and we should really talk about this a little bit more.

1230
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 5: It's not like Charlo didn't go to the body in

1231
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 5: the first fight, but Castano's defense, while sturdy and surprisingly good,

1232
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 5: it is still a function of a high guard, leaving

1233
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 5: a lot of rib exposed and liver and organs exposed

1234
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna say this, dude like Charlo did not

1235
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 5: take enough advantage of that in the first fight. It

1236
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 5: wasn't like he ignored it. It wasn't like it wasn't

1237
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 5: a part of it. He went to it. But I

1238
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 5: think you really got to hammer Castano with that. I

1239
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 5: think a lot of stuff bounced off of the gloves

1240
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 5: of Castano that didn't count, that didn't hurt, that didn't

1241
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 5: mark him up. And I think a little bit more

1242
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 5: investment in the body works, so you know, you have

1243
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 5: to go with the jab, high low, all that kind

1244
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 5: of stuff. You have to mix it up, and I

1245
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 5: do believe you have to press Castanio backwards. But the

1246
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 5: real key for me, there is a renewed emphasis on bodywork.

1247
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, Charlo can be on his footwork, bey

1248
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 5: on his body work, be on his jab. Kastano has

1249
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 5: no avenue of victory whatsoever.

1250
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 4: In sort of reputation. Jermel's not not overly known as

1251
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 4: as a body puncher. And to your point on the

1252
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: stats from the first fight, he only landed seventeen body punches.

1253
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: Kastanio landed nineteen, So it really wasn't a factor because

1254
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 4: it was in such close and they're both kind of headhunters.

1255
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 4: But Charlo did knock out Jason Rosario with that perfectly

1256
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 4: placed body shot, and he seemed to be targeting it.

1257
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 4: If that can become something where even you, even if

1258
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: Castano breaks that distance and gets in close, if we

1259
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 4: can see Charlo add the rinkle of stepping to the

1260
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 4: side and hooking to the body or just some of

1261
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 4: the things that he doesn't typically do, that certainly could

1262
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: be something to watch out for. But when we're looking

1263
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: at the punch stats from the first fight, they do

1264
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 4: tell kind of what our eyes saw. Kastanio outlanded Charlo

1265
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 4: one seventy three to one point fifty one according to

1266
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 4: copy box, which is close, but it showing you what

1267
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 4: you need to say. See, Charlo did land fifty three jabs,

1268
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 4: just nine landed for Castano. But Charlo wasn't consistent with

1269
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 4: the jab and he certainly didn't land for a good

1270
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 4: percentage at all. Overall, though, Castanio connected on forty one

1271
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 4: percent of his power shots. So if you give him

1272
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 4: that opportunity where you know, I mean, in this fight

1273
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 4: he barely landed any jabs, you know, eighty five percent

1274
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 4: of Castano's output were power punches, and he's gonna connect

1275
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 4: on forty one of those. That shows you he's on

1276
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 4: the inside most of the night and he's having success.

1277
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: Charlo's got to create that even if it takes biting down.

1278
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 4: And by the way, Luke, I think that Charlo is

1279
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 4: such an explosive puncher in the right moment that even

1280
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: if he's even in the battle of trying to draw

1281
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 4: that line between them in terms of space, he still

1282
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: might catch Castano. I'm saying that if we have an

1283
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 4: intentional offensive Charlo here, a knockout can happen at any point.

1284
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 4: But the thing that you have to ask yourself if

1285
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 4: you don't believe in that version of Charlo, or you

1286
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 4: don't believe that version's coming, is what if he doesn't

1287
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 4: get Castanho out of there and Castanio's constant pressure in

1288
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 4: the second half of this fight, where on the guess

1289
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 4: tank of Charlow if he tries to be as offenses

1290
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 4: as I'm saying he is. Look, these are just other

1291
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 4: wrinkles you have to watch out for in this fight

1292
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 4: that really have me fired up. I mean, this could

1293
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 4: be this fight is as good as a pay per

1294
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 4: view fight you can argue whether it would have done

1295
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 4: big business or not, but it's you know, in theory,

1296
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 4: it's a rematch of a disputed Fight of the Year

1297
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 4: contender for the undisputed championship. It's basically a pay per

1298
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 4: view fight. I love that it's on regular showtime this weekend.

1299
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 4: And I can't tell our MMA fans enough that this

1300
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 4: is one of those fights you'll you'll be entertained by

1301
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: the passion, the talent of both what's at stake. This

1302
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 4: is gonna be a good one.

1303
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: It's a full on.

1304
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 5: It's a full on, as BC says, not just the

1305
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 5: unifications for all the marbles in the four belt era

1306
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 5: correctly if I'm wrong, BC, whoever wins this will be

1307
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 5: the first fully unified, undisputed champion in this like junior

1308
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 5: middleway whatever you want to call this weight class, since

1309
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 5: Winky Wright, is that correct?

1310
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he Winky Wright did it in a

1311
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 4: three belt era. But yes, since Winky Wright had all

1312
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 4: the belts at one fifty four, this is the first

1313
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 4: time we're going to get a four belt champion. And

1314
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 4: I want people to realize that even three years ago,

1315
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: right when right after Terrence Crawford became the undisputed champion

1316
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 4: at won forty. Then Usik did it that cruiser weight

1317
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 4: and we were like, oh my god, this never happens.

1318
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 4: It's been happening a lot since then. At least you know,

1319
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: like you have to realize as a fan if you're

1320
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 4: new to boxing, like we don't get undisputed tour belt

1321
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 4: title fights you know every day. In fact, typically we

1322
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 4: never do this run. The last year and a half,

1323
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 4: two years, three years has been great.

1324
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 5: So I'm excited about it. I just really can't wait

1325
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 5: to see what adjustments. And Derek James is one hell

1326
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 5: of a trainer. You saw what he had Eryl Spins doing,

1327
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 5: so we'll see that. They know what to do. That's

1328
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 5: the thing, right b see, Jamel Charlo and Derek James, they.

1329
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: Know what to do.

1330
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 5: The question is will Charlo be actually able.

1331
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: To do it.

1332
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 5: We're gonna find out tomorrow.

1333
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 4: Well, here we go, Lucas, time to put the pencil

1334
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 4: on the paper. Final closing in the odds right now

1335
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 4: minus two twenty Jamel Charlo your betting favorite plus one

1336
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 4: point eighty Castano. Remember it was a split draw the

1337
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: first time around, but really that's like a seven to

1338
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 4: five eight rounds to four fight for Castana. That's what

1339
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 4: my eyes told me. People have differed. Some people like

1340
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 4: Charlo's second half a lot more. Uh luke, where are

1341
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: you leaning?

1342
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 5: I do have my doubts about both Charlo brothers, for

1343
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 5: different reasons, but for sometimes the same ones. I sometimes

1344
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 5: wonder if they have enough humility not to like them

1345
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 5: as people, but to be aware of their own limitations.

1346
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 5: But skills win fights. That's what I usually say, That's

1347
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 5: what I really always say. Doesn't always happen that way.

1348
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 5: Sometimes the less skillful person wins, but out of two,

1349
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 5: the more skillful one should win. And so for that reason,

1350
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 5: I'm going to pick Charlo. But it's a close one, dude,

1351
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 5: That's a really close one.

1352
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 4: Where are you Yeah? I'm of the belief that if

1353
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 4: we get the best version of Charlo, he's gonna win

1354
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 4: this fight by knockout. And Castanya was really good and

1355
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 4: he's than I thought he was entering that first fight.

1356
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: That performance he had in that first fight, he deserved

1357
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 4: the win. He was fantastic. But if you're gonna get

1358
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 4: a Charlo that's committing to using the arsenal that he

1359
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 4: actually has. There's a reason why when I talk about

1360
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 4: either Charlo brother to be fair. Ever, one day fighting

1361
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 4: Canalo and everybody's like, oh, come on, we see Canelo

1362
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 4: defeat everybody. Yeah, we do. Canelo will be a favorite.

1363
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 4: But this combination of speed, power, IQ and nastiness. I mean,

1364
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 4: the Charlo brothers are nasty. They have that edge. It

1365
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 4: comes out when somebody's coming in and knocking on their

1366
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 4: door aggressively. You know, whether it's in an interview or

1367
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 4: in a fight. Sometimes we don't to your point, Luke,

1368
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 4: we don't always get the performance though. That's the full

1369
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: power of them. It's time now for the brothers. They're

1370
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 4: in their thirdly thirties. They had a pay per view

1371
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 4: in the Pandemic where they were the headliners. It's time

1372
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 4: to have those fights against the Triple G's, the Canelos,

1373
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: the who have you, you know, whoever, Terence Crawford, whomever.

1374
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 4: He's got to be that, Luke. If he shows up

1375
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 4: and he is that guy, we're gonna have a big

1376
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 4: knockout for Jamel Charlo in a in a fight that

1377
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: that is gonna be tough early as they jockey for position.

1378
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 4: But once Charlo digs in and we see that that

1379
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 4: oh shit, he brought. He brought his a game tonight,

1380
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 4: that a game of fuck you up.

1381
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: Dude.

1382
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 5: All right, it will he will do the work. The

1383
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 5: question is does Jamel Charlo have enough? Does he really

1384
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 5: have another He needs another gear from the first fight

1385
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 5: or a different, renewed, invigorated approach.

1386
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: I can't.

1387
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 5: It's a really close one, dude, It's a really close one.

1388
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 5: I love this contest. I cannot wait to see what

1389
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 5: I have a feel.

1390
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: Dude.

1391
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 5: I gotta tell you, I'm picking Charlo because that's where

1392
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 5: my head is at. But my gut tells me Kastania

1393
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 5: is gonna win. I'm not trying to do the thing.

1394
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 5: Oh where I see? I told you, no, no, no. If

1395
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 5: Castana wins, I'm in the wrong, but I am. I

1396
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 5: am just trying to be honest. And I know I

1397
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 5: usually play that a little bit like, well, you gotta

1398
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 5: respect the other guy's chances. Here, I'm not even doing

1399
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 5: this like, oh, here's a nod to a prize fighter

1400
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 5: who has a puncher's chance.

1401
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: No, dude, Castano has.

1402
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 5: A very very very very very real possibility of winning

1403
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 5: this one.

1404
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 4: Luke, I would love to hire you to work on

1405
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 4: my lawn and hedge a bit for me because that's

1406
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 4: what you've been on a string of doing lately.

1407
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 5: But I like to hedge BC. Where's my hedge fund, Luke.

1408
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 4: We've talked about it. Get ready, this comin event is

1409
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 4: worth your time on this showtime card Saturday Night because

1410
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 4: unbeating Jeron Boots, Ennis really looks to be the next

1411
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 4: thing in the Welterway division, possibly the sport he does

1412
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 4: virtuoso shit, and this could be that last stop as

1413
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: he enters a number one Contender's about to become the

1414
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 4: mandatory challenger for unified champion Errol Spence Junior when he

1415
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 4: takes on Custio Clayton. So, Luke, we have big expectations

1416
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 4: to see in some ways the show that Boots is

1417
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 4: gonna put on. When he stepped up against Delormee, when

1418
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 4: he stepped up against Lipin Yetes, I mean, he's just

1419
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 4: blowing these guys away. But you know, Clayton's not a stiff.

1420
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 4: The betting odds will tell you you should bet big

1421
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 4: on Boots. In fact, Luke, I'm seeing him as high

1422
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 4: as a minus sixteen hundred favorite, which doesn't fully tell

1423
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 4: the tale. You know, crstill Clayton as a plus nine

1424
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 4: hundred underdog, like some boxing can get real bloated just

1425
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 4: to try to make some money on the other side.

1426
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 4: So Clayton is thirty four from Canada. He's nineteen to

1427
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 4: zero to one. You know, his biggest win is probably

1428
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 4: the draw that he had against Lipinnet's, the former champion

1429
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty. He's beaten some names that either

1430
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 4: you heard over you used to watch ten years ago.

1431
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 4: But no, he hasn't beaten anyone on this level. But Luke,

1432
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 4: if you're looking merely to see Castillo Clayton max out

1433
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 4: and make Boots Ennis go more rounds than normal into

1434
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 4: the eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, this might be that fight.

1435
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: Do you where are you sort of sitting in as like,

1436
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 4: buckle up, the rocket's gonna take off, KO two. I mean,

1437
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 4: how you feeling entering this one?

1438
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 5: I don't know because I have not thought much about

1439
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 5: it other than Boots and this is probably gonna win,

1440
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 5: and he's gonna win looking awesome. I could see a

1441
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 5: scenario where Clayton finds a way to drag it late,

1442
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 5: But to be candid with you, I don't know if

1443
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 5: that's the most probable one. Certainly you couldn't dismiss it,

1444
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 5: but I don't, dude, Boots Ennis just is remarkable. They

1445
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 5: talk about people being switch hitters in boxing who can

1446
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,919
Speaker 5: fight southpaw and and orthodox, but like when they say,

1447
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 5: can let me listen to the words they're saying, He

1448
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 5: look at the video in the opposite stance.

1449
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 4: Dude, look at that highlight run real that's running right

1450
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 4: now over your words? I mean, are you kidding me?

1451
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1452
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 5: He not only can Boots like he's he capable of

1453
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 5: doing it, he is excellent at it from both stances.

1454
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 5: He is highly unusual and mixes it up quite well.

1455
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 5: And you like when he goes to whatever stance he's

1456
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 5: picking for whatever reason, there's there's clear intentionality by it.

1457
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 5: His timing is sick, his reads are impeccable, his power

1458
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 5: is commendable, Like it's enough to get the job done, dude,

1459
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 5: And he lands very very efficiently on these people like

1460
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 5: Cancusio Clayton put up of enough of a fight to

1461
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 5: make it a moral victory and do well enough to

1462
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 5: like that was a pretty good job by him. Sure,

1463
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 5: I don't have any doubt that Boots Ennis is gonna

1464
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 5: get his hand raised at the end of the night.

1465
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 4: I really don't Luca, he's twenty four years old. Boots Us,

1466
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 4: he's twenty eight. In Oh. I mentioned the two real

1467
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 4: notable step up fights and he boy, did he just

1468
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 4: slam dunk. I mean it was, it was incredible. And

1469
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 4: I was ringside for the one against DeLorme in Las

1470
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 4: Vegas last winter and last fall. Excuse me and Luke.

1471
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just when you get to see it

1472
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 4: that close. I was lucky enough to be sitting on

1473
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 4: the ring Apron. You just it's a I mentioned the past.

1474
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 4: It's a Roy Jones like reminder that there's some shitty

1475
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 4: pulls off and Terrence Crawford can do this obviously in

1476
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 4: flashy moments as well, because he's great where you're just like, man,

1477
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've seen anyone do that move

1478
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 4: right there, you know what I mean? Or how he

1479
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: reacted with his timing and his foot placement and the creativity,

1480
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 4: there's something special here. It's hard for us to get

1481
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 4: age how special until it's truly time against those super elites.

1482
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 4: But he's so freaking special that that time is freaking now.

1483
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 4: I mean, in some ways, this almost feels like a

1484
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 4: step backward although he's got to go up the ladder

1485
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 4: rung after rung and become the mandatory contender because nobody

1486
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 4: wants to fight him. And in that way, you know,

1487
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 4: as Dan Kenobi I was on his show this week,

1488
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 4: he mentioned, it's kind of like when Spence was coming up,

1489
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 4: the other welterweights were going whoa, whoa. You know, Spence

1490
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 4: had to do the same thing, became kel Brooks mandatory

1491
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 4: and went to England. Luke if this was not Clayton

1492
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 4: in front of him and instead was Keith Thurman, or

1493
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 4: you know, Terrence Crawford, Virgil Ortiz Junior, Erol Spence Junior,

1494
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 4: any other welterweight in the world. Is there anything stopping

1495
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 4: you from potentially making him the betting favorite because of yeah,

1496
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 4: we don't know it yet, but your eyes are just

1497
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 4: like fucking hell, this guy's he's coming, he's coming on.

1498
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 5: He would have to show something very special for me

1499
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 5: to say betting favorite. But whatever the odds are, he's

1500
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 5: not going to be far apart. And we're also talking about,

1501
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 5: you know, whether it's Bud or whether it's Errol or

1502
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 5: whoever it ends up being next for him. At that

1503
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 5: part remains very much unclear. You know, the fact that

1504
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 5: you are even close in odds, to say nothing of

1505
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 5: being potentially favored over them tells you all you need

1506
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 5: to know already. Like, obviously, what everyone wants to see

1507
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 5: is Spence versus Crawford next. But I have to tell you,

1508
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 5: for some reason that doesn't happen and they end up

1509
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 5: finding a way to make Spence versus Ennis next. Dude,

1510
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 5: I know, like all your hopes and dreams of Spence

1511
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 5: versus Crawford might get blown up by Jiran Ennis. So

1512
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 5: we actually better hope that we actually get that one first,

1513
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 5: because I don't know if you're actually gonna wind up

1514
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 5: getting it if Ennis gets his hands on him before

1515
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 5: Crawford does.

1516
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 4: I haven't felt the spirit since you know rookie year Lebron.

1517
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I really mean it. It's something very now.

1518
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 5: B See, we talked to gett a shit also about

1519
01:09:55,240 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 5: we talked to what we have promoted. Let me let

1520
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 5: me explain to my friend who's only ever lived in.

1521
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 4: This Jesus, I have no idea what he just said.

1522
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 2: A gang of ship. You never heard that expression again?

1523
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought you said g a y shit And

1524
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, whoa bro? Whoa. I mean, you know, we

1525
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 4: don't get down like that. I mean, you.

1526
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 5: Know, you like, stop saying the N word on the air.

1527
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm really not.

1528
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 4: I'm actually I mean I could go back to doing

1529
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 4: this if you want. Luke, I mean, come on, Wow, his.

1530
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 5: Name escapes me because my brain is broken and I

1531
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 5: fell asleep at my desk last night. The gentleman with

1532
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 5: the red hair mohawk who got served that we had

1533
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 5: said was also potentially going to be the next big thing.

1534
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 5: Carlisle no in boxing from Brooklyn. What's his name?

1535
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 4: Jacobs?

1536
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: We got pieced up on showtime recently.

1537
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 4: Oh oh, Chris Colbert.

1538
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 5: Chris Colbert, Yes, Chris Colbert. We have We've had We've

1539
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 5: told the audience guys like that, were like, Oh, this

1540
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 5: guy's gonna go in there and do well, and he

1541
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 5: got mopped up. So what what can we say about that?

1542
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 5: Or nis that maybe we're missing that we're for the

1543
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 5: audience that might be saying him saying nice things.

1544
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 4: Those guys go, yeah, yeah, when we talk about I mean,

1545
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 4: I mentioned Roy Jones' name, I mentioned Lebron James's name,

1546
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 4: like it's it's a little bit different. It's next level.

1547
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 4: It's human. He has everything. He's got size, length, speed, power, quickness,

1548
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 4: i Q intangibles meaning like you know him and his

1549
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 4: dad is a trainer and manager. They're like they've been,

1550
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 4: they've been day one, preparing for this moment, Like this

1551
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 4: is like, this is the guy, you know what I mean?

1552
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 4: Other guys show flashes of being the guy, even if

1553
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 4: he comes out and loses this fight. I'm telling you,

1554
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 4: this is the guy, Like this is it, like you

1555
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 4: know it when you know it, you know. So that's

1556
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 4: what makes it different. And you know, tune in Saturday

1557
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 4: night and you'll find out. But because I'm not seeing

1558
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 4: not only am I not seeing holes, I'm not seeing

1559
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 4: any when when he goes when he hits the video

1560
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 4: game buttons and does his his thing and inevitably finishes guys. Luke,

1561
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 4: you dude, you can't prepare for that on any level. Okay,

1562
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 4: That's why Keith Thurman will not mention Boots tennis is

1563
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 4: name in a sentence. It's like that's not even in play.

1564
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 4: Nobody's trying to fight this guy like they don't want.

1565
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 5: He looks to be the genuine article. But but it

1566
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 5: just sort of goes to show in boxing BC. We

1567
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 5: have thought a couple other guys with a genuine article

1568
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 5: and they warn't. So he's got to go and do it.

1569
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 5: He has to make it happen. Let's see what happens.

1570
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 5: But there have been wrong and we should we should

1571
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 5: say that.

1572
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 4: You and I sat there and watched Daron Pico in

1573
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 4: Madison Square Garden right lose that debut.

1574
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 5: And then yeah, and I never said he was the

1575
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 5: greatest prospect of them in my history.

1576
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: ESPN said that that was no.

1577
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 4: Komoto said that it was read in particular.

1578
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, whatever, I mean.

1579
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 5: I've I've had a series of doozy claims myself. But

1580
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 5: all the more reason, all the more reason to just

1581
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 5: sort of acknowledge the audience we've been We've been down

1582
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 5: this path with some other guys and they didn't turn up.

1583
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 4: But look, normally I can't.

1584
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 5: But it would also it last thing I'll say this,

1585
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 5: It would be malpractice BC if we didn't also say,

1586
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 5: holy shit, this guy looks amazing.

1587
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 4: Yes he does. And by the way, if you're asking

1588
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 4: if he can't fight Spence next, who does he fight?

1589
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 4: It might be I'm Montesstaniosis, the Lithuanian fighter who won

1590
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 4: that brawl against Blue. About that I would care about

1591
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 4: that for that secondary title? Who cares about that? Luke?

1592
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 4: Every time, I can't bring up one of my best

1593
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 4: friends in the industry, brettal Komodo without you trying to say,

1594
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 4: oh you will, I think you want a beading room.

1595
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1596
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 4: But looke that comment that Yoanna made that one time.

1597
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 4: The reason why I harp on it is because you know,

1598
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 4: if I, if I can have, I got some goals

1599
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 4: in this business, right, Like you know, I want to

1600
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 4: call fights, I want I want to do some ship Luke, Okay,

1601
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 4: I want to do big boys shit, right, That's why

1602
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 4: we're here. How do I get how do I get

1603
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 4: that narrative changed? How does one day you want to

1604
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 4: on a microphone say I was wrong, it's actually you.

1605
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 2: BC.

1606
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 5: You would have to get major facial reconstruction, and you

1607
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 5: have to be like John Travolta and Nick Cage and

1608
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 5: face off and then also go to the gym for

1609
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 5: a decade.

1610
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 4: What if what if you what if you gave me

1611
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 4: like six full months and you're like, BC, all that

1612
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 4: ship you talk, Oh no, I'm gonna really get in shape. Blah,

1613
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 4: blah blah, No, you're really you really have to do it.

1614
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 5: Six months is actually not that much time to get

1615
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 5: in shape. I know that sounds kind of crazy. I

1616
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 5: would actually say it takes a couple of years to

1617
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 5: get in like actually good shape. Maybe not quite that long,

1618
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 5: but a long time.

1619
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

1620
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 4: Imagine if if at the end of that six months

1621
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 4: or maybe you know, maybe we do it next year,

1622
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 4: you want a champion again, Luke, that could happen. Okay,

1623
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 4: it could happen. Then we sit down for the big

1624
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 4: you know, Morning Combat interview, and then we find out

1625
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 4: that's the moment we say, you know, Brett's a nice guy, but.

1626
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 5: No, she's gonna be She's gonna be like that scene

1627
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 5: from Dumb and Dummer. You're gonna be like, what's the

1628
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 5: chance she's gonna be like one in a billion? And

1629
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 5: he's like, so you're telling me there's a chance.

1630
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 2: I know it.

1631
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 4: It's unprofessional at best Showtime's Tripleheader nine pm Eastern. You

1632
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 4: can get it for free showtime dot com. Get your

1633
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 4: thirty three days right now. Pound the sand at the end.

1634
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 4: If you don't understand what we're doing on this side

1635
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 4: of the track, I mean, who doesn't.

1636
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: Want Who doesn't want to watch fights? I guess some

1637
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 2: people don't, but.

1638
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean who doesn't like Bill Cosby?

1639
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 5: Right, you're the worst person in America.

1640
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 4: No, that documentary I show Time is fantastic. W kmalll

1641
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 4: my man. All right, Luke, let's keep the fun going

1642
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 4: topic for Luke. Uh Nate Diaz. Dude, we can't stop

1643
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 4: talking about Nate Diaz not getting a fight to end. Hiss,

1644
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 4: UFC deal, We've already done the oh crap, this is ridiculous, UFC.

1645
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 4: Why are you doing this? Well, this narrative keeps going, Luke,

1646
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 4: and it's Na Diez on Twitter trying to basically tell

1647
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 4: the company like, like, fuck off, what do I have

1648
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 4: to do? Give me the fight right now? Everybody wants

1649
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 4: to fight me, Chandler, Poorier, there's nobody that doesn't want

1650
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 4: to fight me. Let's go to the the tweet from

1651
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 4: Thursday that sort of brought this back again, Luke, probably

1652
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: because Nate Diaz did go seemingly next level posting a

1653
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 4: picture which I can assume is him pissing outside the

1654
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 4: UFCP I in Vegas. But Luke, I've been to Vegas.

1655
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 4: I don't think I've seen trees like that? Have you?

1656
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 4: Is that the pi?

1657
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 5: I don't know the point here. I've been, I've been there,

1658
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 5: but I don't I don't know.

1659
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 4: I mean, they can grow anything in Vegas with the right,

1660
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 4: with the with the out of water, which they're gonna

1661
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 4: run out of. So I hope that doesn't happen.

1662
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 5: Luke.

1663
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 4: Okay, you know, eventually you name the waters, there won't

1664
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 4: be any Okay, you know there's not gonna be any.

1665
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 4: Uh So, Luke, you're so dumb. Yeah, yeah, brilliantly dumb.

1666
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 4: That's my That's fine.

1667
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 2: I know you're brilliantly dumb. I mean I acknowledge it is.

1668
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 2: It is truly brilliant, I will admit. But you are

1669
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 2: also so dumb.

1670
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 5: It's fucking hilarious.

1671
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 4: Okay, great, Uh Luke, should this have been enough of

1672
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 4: a statement. I'm pissing on your facility and posting it

1673
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,759
Speaker 4: for somebody. And now again we don't know the inside,

1674
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 4: so it's like hard to tell. But somebody to pick

1675
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 4: up the phone and say, yeah, I'm Nick Diaz or

1676
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 4: Natiez his manager. Sorry, actually I'll represent Nick too. Can

1677
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 4: we get him a fight? But first, can we get

1678
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 4: Nate a fucking fight. I mean, are these conversations just

1679
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 4: not happening.

1680
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 5: I mean, on the one hand, I think people look

1681
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 5: at this and they're like, wow, dude, he's.

1682
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 2: Really you know, he's really sticking it to the man here.

1683
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 5: But really, all this underscores is how the man is

1684
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 5: sticking it to him. It's like, yes, you can urinate

1685
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 5: on their property, and you can say, oh, I can

1686
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 5: do this because as I you know, they won't cut you.

1687
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 5: But like that, the only part of this that matters

1688
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 5: is the very last line, they won't cut me.

1689
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:07,759
Speaker 2: Dude.

1690
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 5: He is reliant upon them for the freedom that he

1691
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 5: craves to be able to make choices about his career,

1692
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 5: about who he fights next. Think about how crazy that is.

1693
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 5: And I know we're so used to just taking management

1694
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 5: side because when management has control, the fans get a

1695
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 5: little bit more of what they want in terms of

1696
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 5: how direct and consistent it is. But at the same

1697
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 5: time that comes at a cost. And for me personally,

1698
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 5: I don't really enjoy the cost of having fighters' careers

1699
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 5: not minimized, but they're earning potential minimized by virtue of

1700
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 5: the promoter having an outsized version of control. So it's

1701
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 5: like on the one hand, BC, I get how this

1702
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 5: is like very class clown, but the joke is always

1703
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 5: on the class clown, because like, dude, you're the one

1704
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 5: stuck in class, you're the one stuck in detention.

1705
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: You're in there with them, They're not in here with you.

1706
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,480
Speaker 2: And really that's what all of this kind of underscores

1707
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 2: to me.

1708
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 4: Well, Dustin Pourier would end up responding basically saying, a

1709
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 4: real man would have ship.

1710
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, in fairness, I have seen people in the military

1711
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 5: who got detained use feces as a weapon.

1712
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he.

1713
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 4: Didn't look like yeah, old Dana White hate shit. Lukey

1714
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 4: called the ship poop. I mean it's great, right.

1715
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 5: So it's Dustin twice and get chee once getting their

1716
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 5: back taken.

1717
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when they posted a picture of all the

1718
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 4: other guys getting subbed out, saying these guys suck. And

1719
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 4: then he put out a and here's middle finger emoji

1720
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:38,799
Speaker 4: for bitch ass venom UFC gear too. That's Nate Diaz

1721
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 4: tweeting Luke, and a lot of people uh retweeted that too.

1722
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 4: It was hilarious, Luke.

1723
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 5: You know, I mean the venom, I gotta say venom

1724
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 5: and the Rock. They are in principle no different than

1725
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 5: what Reebok did to the Fighters, Yet for some reason,

1726
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 5: everyone just decides that they get a pass.

1727
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 4: So would you agree though, that the rebox stuff is

1728
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 4: like just way more professional looking. The Venom shit sucks?

1729
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 5: Luke, No, I would actually disagree. I thought Venom stuff

1730
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 5: looks better, but that's irrelevant. It's like we shouldn't be

1731
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 5: looking at it at all.

1732
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,440
Speaker 4: So no, I I see, I stand firm on disagreeing

1733
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 4: with that historically, and it has.

1734
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 2: Not really bad for this.

1735
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 4: It's not, dude, Seriously, when you like, remember like Triple

1736
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 4: A Baseball. I know that the Major League does it now,

1737
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 4: so it's hard to make this comparison. But like you know,

1738
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 4: when we were growing up, Major League Baseball had stadium

1739
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 4: walls that were clear, but like Triple A Baseball had

1740
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 4: like Joe's car works on there or you know, twenty

1741
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 4: four hour massage signs on the home run wall. Right,

1742
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Luke, It's just kind of carnival,

1743
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 4: you know, Barnstorm and BS. When I go, when I

1744
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 4: see the flashes of the highlight reels of these fighters

1745
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 4: and it shows the pre Rebok era, it just it

1746
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 4: jumps out as like a minor league to.

1747
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 5: Be taken possibly disagree.

1748
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 6: More, to be taken this serious, dude, But they put

1749
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 6: up a condom station for where the fighters got their

1750
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 6: hands round. Yeah, there's tone adacity to talk about whether

1751
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 6: or not the the the kits are littered without.

1752
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 4: Am I nailed this, Luke. I actually this is a

1753
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 4: great call by me. The point is this, Luke, they

1754
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 4: want to be taken super serious, and at this point

1755
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 4: they should look at how much they sold for look

1756
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 4: at the TV deal. I mean look, I mean Dana

1757
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 4: White and Company like you're absolutely legit. Although yes, Luke,

1758
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 4: they're still very tone deaf in some hilarious and largely

1759
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 4: disappointing areas. But dude, when it's night and day, when

1760
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 4: I see those and then I see them in the

1761
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 4: rebox here and it look they look like uniformed employees.

1762
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 4: And I don't mean any of that to the financial issue.

1763
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 4: That is really the hate that was thrown at Rebok

1764
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 4: from the beginning. It wasn't the look, Luke. It was

1765
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 4: the financial side, right Well.

1766
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 5: No, it was the look too. The early looks were

1767
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 5: panned for looking like painters. Remember that, Okay, but you.

1768
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 4: Don't think it looks more uniform and professional to try

1769
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 4: to arems.

1770
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 5: But like, so what so are you.

1771
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 4: Saying no lipstick on the pig?

1772
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: Dude?

1773
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 4: It's fucking cage fighting, right, that's what you're saying.

1774
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: Listen.

1775
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,600
Speaker 5: I don't well, I mean, okay, so I have a

1776
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,919
Speaker 5: different opinion about the Venom gear, but by itself, esthetically,

1777
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 5: you prefer the Rebok gear. Esthetically, I prefer the Venom gear.

1778
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 5: So the Venom gear to me, I don't think looks

1779
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 5: bad like I actually feel like it looks quite nice.

1780
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 5: So in that sense, I do appreciate the look of it. However,

1781
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 5: it's not the point. The point is not Gee as

1782
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 5: the consumer, is this situation very pleasing to me or not?

1783
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 5: The question is what is appropriate? And number one, I'm

1784
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 5: not really bothered by the ad. I mean, look, this

1785
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 5: is what this all comes down to. The UFC decided

1786
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 5: we get to litter all of our spaces with ads. You,

1787
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 5: as the fighters, don't fuck off.

1788
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: If you don't like it. That's what.

1789
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 5: There's nothing else to this argument. There's no other part

1790
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,799
Speaker 5: about well esthetically on camera there really, it's got nothing

1791
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 5: to do with it. The only thing that matters is

1792
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 5: we're up here, you're down there. If you don't like it, tough,

1793
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 5: that's it. Everything else is a fucking distraction here. And

1794
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 5: so for me to sit here and be like, well,

1795
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 5: the UFC can just fucking paste ads everywhere and the

1796
01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 5: fighters can't.

1797
01:21:59,320 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 3: This.

1798
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 5: This is what it comes down to, that all this

1799
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 5: sudden shit you're discussing is meaningless.

1800
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 4: Luke. Your your mimic of like a stupid person's voice,

1801
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 4: which you do often, is one of your best moves.

1802
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 4: But it's also the same voice in face you do

1803
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 4: in other sort of celebratory things. Is that also your

1804
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 4: O face? Luke? Is it really just one face?

1805
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: Is like?

1806
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 4: That's that's the one thing you got there?

1807
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: Are you dying to see my face? I don't think

1808
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: it was.

1809
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 4: It was awkward asking the question to be faced. Like

1810
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 4: when you're fake rapping, that's the same face you got

1811
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 4: to Luke. Okay, you're not picking up slowly on your manager?

1812
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit. There's a little bit there. There's

1813
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 5: a little bit there. I mean, you know, all right,

1814
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 5: don't have many of them. I'm not I'm not Alpha ran.

1815
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 5: I can only do you know.

1816
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 4: Nate had two more tweets, scorching the Earth one of

1817
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 4: them said, shut up, bitch, go to sleep, and your

1818
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 4: last fight sucked too, pumped up amateurs, And there was

1819
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 4: a video of Dan Hooker chaoing Gilbert Burns. So this

1820
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 4: is a response to Gilbert. I'm assuming, uh. And then

1821
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 4: one more said, don't worry about Burns, He's stupid as shit.

1822
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 4: So there we are, Luke, I mean, look, everybody wants

1823
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 4: to fight in eight there's no shortage, so just give me.

1824
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 2: Really just out here making friends.

1825
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, I mean it's the best Luke. Topic five.

1826
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 4: In the aftermath of Rose nami Unis's women's strawweight title

1827
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 4: loss to Carlos Barza in the rematch last weekend UFC

1828
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 4: two seventy four and boring his balls unfortunately, Luke Pat Barry,

1829
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 4: the coach and fiance of Rose, appeared on Arioljuani's MMA

1830
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 4: Hour and Luke, they went damn near an hour, Rose

1831
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 4: jumping in and explaining, and you know, I'll give aerial credit.

1832
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 4: He asked some very hard questions from Sean Strickland's grooming

1833
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 4: comments all the way to the strategy in the fight

1834
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 4: and whether Pat is too close to the situation as

1835
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 4: both full time assistant coach and fiance, not to mention,

1836
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 4: also asking him, are you talking too much in the corner?

1837
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 4: Maybe should coach Whitman be there? So, Luke, that's a

1838
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 4: lot to begin with. Pat's answers, along with roses, were

1839
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 4: interesting as well. What do you what was your biggest takeaway?

1840
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 4: I know you to be fair, not as a stand

1841
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 4: against Ariel or Canada. You didn't get a chance to

1842
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 4: watch this. I read all the Yeah, did read the

1843
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 4: aggregation about the interview. What was your biggest takeaway from

1844
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 4: a you know, pretty damn revealing, you know, look into

1845
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 4: this couple's life to some degree.

1846
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 5: Okay, two things. One on the fight itself. It seems

1847
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 5: very clear to me that, like, I don't know what

1848
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 5: the right role for him is, but I do know

1849
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 5: that it can't be everything, like this idea that like

1850
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to be the romantic life partner, which is

1851
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 5: not my business. There are adults in that sense that

1852
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 5: we'll talk about that part in a second, but for

1853
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 5: for the purposes of this argument, like, there's nothing wrong

1854
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 5: with being coach or fiance and maybe you can be both,

1855
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 5: but I have a feeling he can't, and that's very,

1856
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 5: very difficult to do. I don't know that a lot

1857
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 5: of people could do. It seems to me like one

1858
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 5: is kind of influencing the other and then you're not.

1859
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 5: That role should be distinct. It seems to me, if

1860
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 5: you're gonna you could, which is gonna say you couldn't

1861
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 5: do it like in the training room day to day,

1862
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 5: week to week, but like on fight night, I think

1863
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 5: Trevor Whitman needs to take the lead, Like there needs

1864
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 5: to be some separation there. It just felt too involved,

1865
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 5: two hands on to managing every part of the life

1866
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 5: right Like. That was the weird read that I got

1867
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 5: was that, like, yeah, it just felt like that there's

1868
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 5: a lot of decisions that were professional related that bled

1869
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 5: into the personal, but that bled back into the professional,

1870
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 5: and that he seemed to be feeling like he had

1871
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 5: a role in all of it. I don't know if

1872
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 5: that Again, everyone's gonna live their life differently, but it

1873
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 5: just seemed to me for professional purposes, a firewall should

1874
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 5: be created there and lived out. I think you would

1875
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 5: get better outcome. That was the first lot I had.

1876
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 4: No Yeah, I thought that's a very sober way of

1877
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 4: summing it up, because it is like I get, like,

1878
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 4: I what I mean is this. I thought the interview

1879
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 4: was so and sort of oddly intimate in a way

1880
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 4: that like I got to really understand Pat Berry and

1881
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 4: I came away with equal feelings of like, you know,

1882
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 4: some questions in some areas, mostly what you're saying in

1883
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 4: terms of the roles and it bleeding too much into

1884
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 4: the assistant coach role. But also you know, the guy

1885
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 4: knows that he can't win no matter what he does

1886
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 4: give in the situation, and they seem to have come

1887
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 4: to terms to a large degree with that as a couple,

1888
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 4: which is good for your mental sanity. But it does

1889
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: feel like when a fighter or basketball player has a

1890
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 4: dad that's also the coach that you know, it becomes

1891
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 4: can become problematic in cross lines. Did I love that

1892
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 4: you know Pat didn't even mention Coach Whitman's name or

1893
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 4: really put some proper respect on him, you know, like

1894
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 4: I get Pat doubling down and protecting his role so

1895
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 4: that people realize that, Yes, I'm sure behind the scenes,

1896
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 4: especially in terms of encouragement and the mental game, there

1897
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 4: is probably a monster role that of course there is,

1898
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 4: we know, you know, look at the fun moments between

1899
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 4: Pat and Rose through the years. You know, when she

1900
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 4: won back the title and that whole spiel and all

1901
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 4: that great, I cried, I was wonderful. But you know

1902
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 4: sometimes it's like does he does he while he wants

1903
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 4: to protect to the public that that I am valuable

1904
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 4: in this regard. I didn't like the not only the

1905
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 4: lack of at least, you know, in words, the respect

1906
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 4: to coach Whitman, but the way that I sort of

1907
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 4: like talked about Rose as a fighter, almost painting this

1908
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 4: picture that you know, the coaches are pulling all the

1909
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 4: strings behind the scenes, and you know, talking about the

1910
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 4: deviating the game plan, like look look in terms of

1911
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 4: the fight. After listening to them at length, basically my

1912
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 4: opinion is they got got they got they got called.

1913
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 4: You know, they went all in and Carlos Sparza called

1914
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 4: them and they and they didn't have you know, enough

1915
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 4: time or enough you know, all altering to the game

1916
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 4: plan to do enough to make sure they won that

1917
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 4: and they got called and they are I get why

1918
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 4: Team nomin Units is happy to have. Okay, if we

1919
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 4: had to lose, let's lose that way. She didn't get solved.

1920
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 4: It was more of just a disappointing scratch your head moment,

1921
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 4: but they seem almost too that. And also, you know

1922
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 4: some of this comments Pat making about I don't just

1923
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 4: some I mean I could pick it apart, but just

1924
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 4: some of the terms right there, I do wonder, you know,

1925
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 4: I don't like seeing them almost saying like, you know,

1926
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 4: we had a trick Rose in a way which the

1927
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 4: first time she ever followed the game plan, and then

1928
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 4: round five when she needed to be more offensive, we

1929
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 4: told her not to because we knew that she would anyway,

1930
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 4: so we were almost it's like, what are you trying

1931
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 4: to trick her? And then the one time she doesn't

1932
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 4: do it, then it's a it's a it's just luke,

1933
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 4: Do you get what I'm saying here, It's it was

1934
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 4: just a little bit weird, Like.

1935
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get I don't I don't know the best

1936
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 5: way to give Rose advice.

1937
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know her. I don't you know.

1938
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 5: I do leave that up to her coaches, but I

1939
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 5: always get a weird vibe. And by the way, this

1940
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 5: is like a different way. I mean, I don't want

1941
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 5: to bring the COVID debate into this, but this is

1942
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 5: sort of what the CDC has been credibly accused of,

1943
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,959
Speaker 5: which is rather than just give you what the information

1944
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 5: is and allowing you to make a choice, We're actually

1945
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,759
Speaker 5: gonna say something that's slightly or potentially way off because

1946
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 5: by doing that, we're gonna shape actions as an incentive

1947
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 5: structure by giving false or you know, misleading information. Again,

1948
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 5: a fight corner versus a broad sort of public policy

1949
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 5: are very different things. But the point I'm trying to

1950
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 5: make is you can do that kind of stuff, and

1951
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 5: you can do that kind of stuff, I think to

1952
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 5: certain kinds of fighters. But dude, they just didn't have

1953
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 5: a winning strategy. Like whatever the answer they wanted to

1954
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 5: give about we'll were trying.

1955
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 4: To you know, it was so here's what he said.

1956
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 5: The strategy behind it was never going to get them

1957
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 5: there anyway.

1958
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 4: Well, I want to cut you off in just it's

1959
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 4: a defense of them, but it's also an explanation to

1960
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 4: what you said about the winning strategy. Basically, how Pat

1961
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 4: summed it up at length Ariel was that they were

1962
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 4: gonna they knew that they were gonna get booed, but

1963
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 4: they knew there was going to be a moment in

1964
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 4: time that would open up in the fight where Carlo

1965
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 4: would do something and when she did that thing whatever

1966
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 4: tell that was that she was going to do. Rose

1967
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 4: was going to land the knockout blow in some form,

1968
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 4: and they thought it was going to come in the

1969
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 4: first round. But what ended up, saying Luke, was that

1970
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 4: the moment came up twice where the opening was there,

1971
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 4: and this is where it got weird. He says, Rose

1972
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 4: slipped both times because the octagon is very slippery, and

1973
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 4: Pat thinks you have it might be right, but look

1974
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 4: before you cut me off. The whole point of me

1975
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 4: cutting you off was to end with this. Then Pat

1976
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 4: went on like there's almost like spiritual powers against Rose winning,

1977
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 4: and then like it's almost like they're content with the

1978
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 4: loss because they didn't take damage and they believe that

1979
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 4: there's powers outside pushing them to a like that whole part,

1980
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 4: Luke was it was a little beyond me.

1981
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 5: Yes, like again the through line there for me is right, well,

1982
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 5: like we had these ideas and we try again to

1983
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 5: be clear, They didn't go to say Rose is at fault,

1984
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 5: that that's not like, go listen for yourself, you'll hear

1985
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 5: that that's not what they really did. Everyone's trying to

1986
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 5: be as respectful an understanding, I think as they can

1987
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 5: be but there was this undercurrent of you know, well

1988
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 5: I tried, you know, I tried in all these areas

1989
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 5: to be like this greater you know, invisible hand or

1990
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 5: direct hand of influence. And you know, whether or not

1991
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 5: that was adhere to is a different story than whether

1992
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 5: or not I was actually this sort of you know,

1993
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 5: benevolent force. And it's like, I do believe you can

1994
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 5: be a benevolent force. I think that part is true,

1995
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 5: but not in all capacities, in this all knowing in

1996
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 5: every situation kind of way, it seems like that message

1997
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 5: got lost and the roles got unclear, and they did

1998
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 5: not have a winning strategy or a frankly, a winning

1999
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 5: implementation strategy. And I think the bigger issue is there

2000
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 5: need to be clearly defined roles, and I think that

2001
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 5: are strategizing next time.

2002
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 4: I agree. It's like they allowed this imtimate portrait to

2003
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 4: explain themselves. And again I have to like some areas,

2004
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 4: you got to stand up for them and say, you know,

2005
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 4: I thought Pat fielded the whole grooming thing and Sean

2006
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 4: Strickland thing perfect, you know, and and sort of saying like,

2007
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 4: you know, I don't care what other people think. That's

2008
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 4: not the truth and given the roots of the origin

2009
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 4: of the stories written in what things were told, falsely, whatever,

2010
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 4: But in terms of her being the best she can be,

2011
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 4: as she's one of the all time great talents, it does,

2012
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 4: unfortunately give in too close of an intimate look. Now

2013
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 4: makes you wonder should his role be reduced, should coach

2014
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 4: Whitman get more of a say. I mean, it's you know,

2015
01:31:58,280 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 4: we don't know, We're not there every day. That's why

2016
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 4: it's always hard to speak to what the relationship between

2017
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 4: coach and fighter. But when that relationship is also a

2018
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 4: deeper at home relationship, then it's more intense and it's

2019
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 4: more highly scrutinized. And this was a fight where we

2020
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 4: did not get the best out of the champion and

2021
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 4: she lost her belt, and frankly it was her fault.

2022
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 4: So look, the only other thing I want to say

2023
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 4: on this part of the topic, specifically, do you believe

2024
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 4: it all on the trends and the numbers, because I

2025
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 4: think it was Jed Goodman or someone else on Twitter

2026
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 4: was really pumping up beforehand that Rose was on a

2027
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 4: stretch ever since she lost to Carlos Barza and the

2028
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 4: inaugural strawweight title fight in twenty fourteen were she won

2029
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 4: three in a row, then lost, then one three in

2030
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 4: a row, then lost, and now this, if she had

2031
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 4: lost here, it would have kept that pattern going. So basically,

2032
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 4: Pat's saying that because this loss, which was part of

2033
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 4: the pattern, wasn't damaging, now we should get ready for

2034
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 4: I think, in theory three more dominant wins in her

2035
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 4: regaining the title.

2036
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 5: Yes, I don't believe in superstitions, so but isn't it

2037
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 5: weird though, that that's played out that way? That's really

2038
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,759
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like, isn't that it's unusual? It's slightly

2039
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 5: it's definitely, it's definitely unusual. It's definitely unusual. But like dude,

2040
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 5: the like, oh, now I can just count on three wins.

2041
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 5: No you can't. No, you definitely cannot. You're in the

2042
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 5: Ultimate Fighting Championship at the highest level. You can't count

2043
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 5: on shit happening. Obviously, Rose is a tremendous talent. It

2044
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 5: wouldn't surprise me if she had three or thirty more

2045
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 5: wins and are like, that's not crazy, but like this

2046
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 5: sort of expect this expectation that it will just happen,

2047
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 5: Like no, like, no, no, that's not at all how

2048
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 5: life works now.

2049
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 4: And Luke, finally, as people could see on this lower third, yeah.

2050
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 5: I've never been able to count on w's happening. Sometimes

2051
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 5: they happen, yeah, but I can never count on them.

2052
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 4: No, no, no. All I do is expect to win, win, win,

2053
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 4: no matter what, Luke. Sometimes it just falls apart, Luke.

2054
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 4: The other bit of news, of course, was that Rose

2055
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 4: and pap Berry revealed that they had reached out to

2056
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 4: Team You Want To Young j Check at American Top

2057
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 4: Team and said, look, we'd we wouldn't mind training with

2058
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 4: you or helping you in any way to prepare to

2059
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 4: fight Wailey for her rematch. So Luke, Ariel had Yan

2060
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 4: on right after and asked her about it. And everyone

2061
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 4: seems super excited about this happening. Are you surprised at

2062
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 4: all by this?

2063
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 5: I mostly don't care to be candid. Am I surprised?

2064
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 2: You know?

2065
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,679
Speaker 5: I would have been years ago, But I've seen enough

2066
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 5: now where when people get to a certain level in

2067
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 5: their career, there's a degree of open camaraderie with former

2068
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 5: opponents that it doesn't happen for every kind of senior

2069
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 5: level fighter or more advanced fighters. It's not universal, but

2070
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 5: you do tend to see a little more stately reach

2071
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 5: across the aisle kind of thing to people. You've really

2072
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 5: had some long and intense and difficult and frankly kind

2073
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 5: of final battles with Sylvan Wideman having a late kind

2074
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 5: of friendly peerie kind of relationship sort of testament to that.

2075
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 5: But there's been many, many others, So it's it's in

2076
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 5: a vacuum. It is unusual, but in the broader context

2077
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 5: of the game, it does make some sense, actually, and

2078
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 5: it's good thing to see, I suppose.

2079
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like to see the friendship side of it,

2080
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 4: considering how tenuous it was in the at least in

2081
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 4: the first Rose versus Joanna outing Luke, she basically said

2082
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 4: Rose in the end she laughed, but she said, Whosuhudo

2083
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 4: had some you know, talking some crap before her rematch

2084
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 4: with Wayley, so she'd liked to get him back. She said,

2085
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 4: she was just kidding, but that's at least part of

2086
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:27,839
Speaker 4: her motivation there. The interesting stakes now on this Yuanna rematches.

2087
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 4: We talked about the other day, Luke, that number one

2088
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 4: contender at stake here against Wayley a second time, and Luke,

2089
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 4: you know, we were talking about this glory era of

2090
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 4: this division. Think about it. This division is seven and

2091
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 4: a half years old. There's been five champions, they're all

2092
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 4: still active and in the title picture right now, and

2093
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 4: they've all faced each other multiple times, with the exception

2094
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 4: of Carla Asparza versus Andrage, and every single fight between

2095
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 4: these five, to be honest, has been like memorable or

2096
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 4: action or you know, something monster happened, and we could

2097
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 4: be seen Saturday right with the exception of Saturday, although

2098
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 4: it has produced some large talking points, certainly with the

2099
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 4: exception of Saturday. And now they're all gonna just keep

2100
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 4: fighting each other because we're gonna get you Wanta Wailey too.

2101
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 4: The winner's gonna fight uh freakin' uh as far as

2102
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 4: up potentially on Drod's right there, right there, Rose is

2103
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 4: gonna need a big name opponent coming back, probably in

2104
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 4: some form of a rematchro trilogy. Like holy shit, Luke,

2105
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:26,719
Speaker 4: this is as good.

2106
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 5: As it gets, dude, Yeah, this is This is a

2107
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 5: hell of a division and makes some of the debates

2108
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,759
Speaker 5: about goat at this weight class a little silly, although

2109
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 5: they're an inevitable, like it's not a silly question to

2110
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 5: be like, hey, who's the best ever in this weight class.

2111
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 2: That's a very normal question.

2112
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 5: But it just goes to show we're at such a

2113
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 5: stage of it that, yes, you can probably come up

2114
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:47,759
Speaker 5: with an answer, and and it's a good one given

2115
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 5: the current set of circumstances. But in the range of

2116
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 5: what's possible here over the course of time, this is

2117
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 5: still the infancy stage of everything. So it's a great

2118
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 5: position to be in, but an early one just the same.

2119
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 4: Indeed, good stuff there. Quickly on the way out of

2120
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 4: the news topics of the week, luke that fight this weekend,

2121
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,600
Speaker 4: the boxing sort of double header type deal that we

2122
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 4: cared about pay per view from Dubai the Burj Khalifa

2123
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 4: helicopter pad. There was supposed to be one hundred and

2124
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 4: twenty spectators who paid something like one hundred and fifty

2125
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 4: thousand dollars each in at least in British pounds, not dollars.

2126
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 4: The point here is it was going to be Floyd

2127
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 4: Mayweather versus some guy Don Moore in the main event,

2128
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 4: and Anderson Silva versus some guy from Brazil and the Colemane.

2129
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 4: Now the card's called off less than what twenty four

2130
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,799
Speaker 4: hours later because the president of the UAE has passed

2131
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,879
Speaker 4: away and the country has, you know, put forth distinct

2132
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 4: timeframe of mourning and fasting and what have you. But Luke,

2133
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 4: they say they're going to reschedule it. This should be

2134
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 4: the moment for everybody to just go like, we can

2135
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 4: we just fold this shit or sell it to freaking

2136
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 4: Trailler At this point.

2137
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 5: I don't just I mean, well, Triller overpays for everything.

2138
01:37:58,479 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 5: Would they overpay for this?

2139
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,719
Speaker 4: You think probably? Probably?

2140
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 5: Probably Flay would come out and be like, I had

2141
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 5: my greatest payday ever. Yeah, God, damn dude, Triller just

2142
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 5: burning money.

2143
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 4: Speaking of Triller, they're back this weekend. But it's like,

2144
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 4: it's like, here's the criticism. It's not boxing versus MMA

2145
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 4: and this triangle ring and you know, it's real boxing,

2146
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 4: and it's kind of interesting. So former light heavyweight king

2147
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 4: and pound for pounder Sergei Kovalev hasn't fought since being

2148
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 4: knocked out by Canelo and their title fight what four

2149
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 4: years ago ish, and he's back at cruiserweight now taking

2150
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,719
Speaker 4: on the brother of Kubrat Phulev Turmel, who's thirty six

2151
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 4: and unbeaten. Bud isn't a killer, but Kubrat's also on

2152
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 4: the card against somebody you don't care about, Luke. So

2153
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 4: in the end, do you care at all? We're gonna

2154
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 4: get the sons of Fernando Vargas on the undercard, and

2155
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 4: probably Holyfield son too. I don't know what.

2156
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 5: Tell you what if you put it on. Have you

2157
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 5: seen this shit on Monday, I'll care about it.

2158
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 4: Short of that, You're like, if I see it in

2159
01:38:54,760 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 4: the toilet as a flush, I'll watch it. Yeah, Okay. Finally, Luke,

2160
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 4: thirty five year old Amir Khan has followed kel Brooke,

2161
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 4: the man who just knocked him out and there finally

2162
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 4: celebrated all England. Duel has retired himself aged thirty five. Luke,

2163
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,440
Speaker 4: I have so many great things to say about American

2164
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 4: in the career he's had in the balls he's had,

2165
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 4: but he's also, at times sometimes too willingly, been somebody

2166
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 4: that's gotten made fun of a lot in boxing for

2167
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 4: certain reasons. How do you sort of sum up from

2168
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 4: your vantage point what to say about what Amir Khan

2169
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 4: gave the sport.

2170
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 5: I think he sorry from the Olympics, representing both Great

2171
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 5: Britain but also of being of Pakistani heritage. I think

2172
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 5: it engaged those parts of the world dramatically and energized them.

2173
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 5: Especially when he was a young stud just coming into

2174
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 5: the pros. He was electrifying for a time. He fought

2175
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 5: a lot of tough guys. He was in some big fights,

2176
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 5: he won some big fights, and he was for a

2177
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 5: t time, you know, certainly one of the most fun

2178
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 5: guys to watch in boxing for a short amount of time.

2179
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 2: I would say that's true.

2180
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 5: But I think the latter story about him and really

2181
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 5: like you know, quitting against Terrence Crawford the way he did,

2182
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 5: and Kelbrook beat his ass, and you know, taking L's

2183
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 5: the way he did against Canello and some other guys too,

2184
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 5: where you know, his chin was gone, his legs were gone,

2185
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 5: his speed was not really what it once was, and

2186
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 5: so you know, he was a very diminished version of

2187
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 5: himself at the end here. But for a time, you know,

2188
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 5: and I remember him coming out of the Olympics as well,

2189
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 5: for a time he was an electrifying star. I mean,

2190
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 5: he was boxing, and so he had a great career.

2191
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 4: You're right, he was a legitimate superstar and he carried

2192
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 4: himself like one, which is something I always respected. Whether

2193
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 4: he got knocked the hell out or not. He came

2194
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,719
Speaker 4: back talking like a champion, acting like one. It became

2195
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 4: comical with some of the big losses, the fact that

2196
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 4: he never really had a chin as a pro unfortunately,

2197
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:53,559
Speaker 4: and it followed him now. In some ways, you have

2198
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,640
Speaker 4: to give him credit. He sustained despite having one of

2199
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,719
Speaker 4: the worst elite chins we've ever seen, and his offensive

2200
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 4: skill at his best. I mean, they're sublime as hell,

2201
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 4: but never could put it together. There was some off

2202
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 4: the ring weirdness. Luke, remember when he accused Anthony Joshua

2203
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 4: of sleeping with his wife. There was that weird masturbation

2204
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 4: video that floated around. There's been some l's, but at

2205
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 4: the end of the day, why do you love a guy?

2206
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 5: Right?

2207
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 4: If he's a superstar, he's gonna be on your TV

2208
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 4: whether you love or hate him. I love the intention

2209
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 4: that amir Con had of fighting anyone who was available.

2210
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 4: I think that the biggest letdown in his career, if

2211
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 4: there's even a tragedy in there, is that he never

2212
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 4: got Pacchiao in the ring because they had the same

2213
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 4: trainer for long stretch of Freddie Roach. Although those I

2214
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 4: hear there's legendary sparring matches and he never got Mayweather

2215
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 4: in the ring, and Luke, it wasn't for lack of trying,

2216
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,879
Speaker 4: and it wasn't for lack of deserving. Now, look, inevitably,

2217
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 4: I think he's always gonna get knocked out by Floyd Mayweather.

2218
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 4: But I still wonder at times because there were points

2219
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 4: where Floyd slam dunk. It should have been a mir

2220
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 4: con right, big money, big people would care and he

2221
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 4: would probably knock him out. But we always wanted to

2222
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 4: see what that would have looked like for the first

2223
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 4: four or five rounds, because Con could be that good off.

2224
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 4: We never got that. But give him credit. He went

2225
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 4: up two divisions of my canelo. He would have fought anybody, dude,

2226
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 4: and he fought in Melanagi. I mean, he fought everyone

2227
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 4: that he could, Luke. So shout out to Amer Khan,

2228
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 4: please don't come back.

2229
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a good career. It's over.

2230
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 5: Thank you had a great career.

2231
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 4: Saw him and Floyd posing yesterday, Luke, and it was awkward.

2232
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It was very awkward, all right, Luke.

2233
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 4: What else is awkward is they allow us to speak

2234
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 4: into a microphone largely unfiltered. We do pay the piper

2235
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 4: every Friday, when you send an email to Morningcombat at

2236
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 4: gmail dot com and you point out with receipts that

2237
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 4: BC and Luke squatted on that L. Right, take that

2238
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 4: L like a naked man on a chain link fence,

2239
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 4: because we.

2240
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 5: Were dead wrong, dead wrong on.

2241
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 4: Big Meat called me. Larry Hoover. All right, Hey, Tyler's here,

2242
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 4: he says, Hey, Donks, I'm coming for both of you. Luke,

2243
01:42:58,479 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 4: how does that make you feel?

2244
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 2: I don't care, but go ahead.

2245
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, if Tyler is coming on, I guess. So.

2246
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 4: When discussing Rogue One, BC says that Cherue Eimway, played

2247
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,719
Speaker 4: by Donnie Yen, is a Jedi. This would be dead wrong.

2248
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 4: He's a guardian of the wills and not a Jedi. Okay, Luke,

2249
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 4: I will take that L. But I don't want to

2250
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 4: know that. Do you know what I'm saying?

2251
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 5: I know, like he wasn't a Jedi, but he was

2252
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 5: definitely like the force adjacent.

2253
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had the ship. He I mean, he was

2254
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 4: blinding me.

2255
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 5: I mean, he was like, I am with the force,

2256
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:31,719
Speaker 5: the forces with me. I am with the force the forces.

2257
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean he was real Jedi type shit

2258
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 5: kind of thing.

2259
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Dooku was no longer a Jedi, but

2260
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 4: that guy still used the good arts and mixed it

2261
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 4: with the dark right.

2262
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 5: And had that dick. He was sith, yeah, all.

2263
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,600
Speaker 4: Right, Uh but Luke, now it's time for Tyler to

2264
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 4: come after you, to go one step further. Luke, you

2265
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 4: said that I am the force to forces with me.

2266
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 4: That's dead wrong too. It's I am one with the force.

2267
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 4: The force is with me. Yes, I'm a nerd.

2268
01:43:58,360 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 2: I want to look at me. Do you think I

2269
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 2: care about getting them?

2270
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 4: Well, here's what Tyler said. Yes, I'm a nerd, and

2271
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 4: I will see my low tee self out the door.

2272
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 2: It's yeah.

2273
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 5: I mean this guy hasn't had his DST and probably.

2274
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 4: You know he doesn't. Thug chigs is where you're going

2275
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,600
Speaker 4: with that? Look, Okay, this one comes in from a

2276
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 4: few guys before them, but it's Jordan from Hawaii. He

2277
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,599
Speaker 4: was making the larger statement, he says. Hey Don's episode

2278
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 4: two ninety eight. Around the forty five minute mark, Brian

2279
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 4: mentions how Trevor Whitman coached three fighters on one UFC

2280
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:31,719
Speaker 4: pay per view event last year, referencing Gaichee versus Chandler

2281
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 4: Rose versus Wayey and quote the Woodley fight, presumably talking

2282
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 4: about Usman BC. Not sure what year you think last

2283
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 4: year was, but Ustman fought Coffington at UFC two sixty

2284
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 4: eight on November sixth. Woodley was already gone from the UFC,

2285
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 4: about one month out from rematching Jake Paul loved the show,

2286
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:54,600
Speaker 4: great interviews, looking forward to more content. Thank you, Thank you.

2287
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 2: Jordan. That's a fair one. That's a fair one.

2288
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 4: All right, all right, Joe, you think Jordan's a big

2289
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 4: Holloway guy or more of like a a Kai Kameca fan.

2290
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 4: Who the guy with the best tattoos in all of MMA? Yeah? Yeah,

2291
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 4: fights for Bellator, he.

2292
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 5: Has wins, phenomenal tattoos.

2293
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 4: Great tattoos. Yeah, this comes from Jared. He's got a

2294
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 4: picture to show us. But let me read the description first.

2295
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,719
Speaker 4: He says. At one hour three minutes on Monday, Luke said, quote,

2296
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,759
Speaker 4: we had Nate Diaz tweeting last night saying the trilogy

2297
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 4: is done or whatever. End quote. Nate did post a date,

2298
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 4: but it was a spoof translator account that said the

2299
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 4: trilogy it's on. It looks like McGregor even applied to

2300
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 4: the account. Take this l and I'd like to get

2301
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 4: some praise for my time stamp as well. Y'all are

2302
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 4: the best. Keep building the brand. It's Jared, fair enough.

2303
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 5: I'll take that L. All right, I'll take that L.

2304
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 4: Any chance you think it's Jared from Subway from tweeting

2305
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 4: from the from the can right now, Luke, I.

2306
01:45:56,680 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 5: Don't understand strapped bro sig sourj at least six hour.

2307
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 4: Is I don't speak crumblin, Luke.

2308
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 5: Six hour is a weapons manufacturer. They make handguns and

2309
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 5: they need more than that. But but they're they're known

2310
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:13,839
Speaker 5: for it, and it's spelled wrong anyway.

2311
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 4: I don't do you think I can last in in

2312
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 4: their in their crumblin hood, Luke?

2313
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 5: No, No, dude, you're from a working class place.

2314
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 4: That's still one eighth Iris though.

2315
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:28,720
Speaker 5: All right, okay, what does that mean? That means you're

2316
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 5: not Irish?

2317
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 4: My great grandmother was a break That means.

2318
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 5: You're seven eighths not them. Yeah, you're not Irish? All right?

2319
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 4: Well, Rose and I Luke are both Lithuanian and that's

2320
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 4: my dominant trait at the moment. One of them is, yeah,

2321
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 4: we got another Jared. This guy has two rs. Though

2322
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 4: he says, hey, Donk's on Monday Show. When discussing titles

2323
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 4: being surrendered, Luke, BC and Bronstead Are all said Machetah

2324
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 4: dropped his title to Forrest. I believe you're thinking of

2325
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 4: the first Machiita versus Showgun. As Aaron would say, fight Shogon. Sorry,

2326
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:02,640
Speaker 4: there was little activity, but Machidah did win. So you

2327
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,719
Speaker 4: donks are dead wrong. Force Griffin never fought the Dragon.

2328
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 2: Wait, what I thought we said that Forest?

2329
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,799
Speaker 4: No, we said that rampage and four speed.

2330
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 5: Rampage lost to Forest is what I thought we had said,

2331
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 5: which is definitely true.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's what we said. I think this guy, Jared

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Speaker 4: is dead wrong.

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01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 5: This might be the guy's dead wrong, and maybe we misspoke,

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01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 5: but I'm pretty sure I don't recall us saying it

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Speaker 5: that way.

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01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 4: Now he needs to bring a time stamp of his

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Speaker 4: attempt at the first time.

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Speaker 5: This is why the time stamps are crucial, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have the time though, to go back

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01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 4: and stamp you for it like the tramp you are Jared?

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01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 4: All right? Shit, I mean I fucking hate Jared with

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01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 4: two rs, right.

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01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 5: Like, put some more RS in your name, Jared Jarred.

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01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, all right, uh, this is from uh Mark

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01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 4: and Wasabi. I don't know if that's his last name

2348
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 4: or his partner Luke, but hey, Luke and Brian, I

2349
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 4: got a dead wrong for signor Luke. On this week's

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01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 4: Wednesday show, at OR fifty five, Luke said that the sorry.

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01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 4: At the one hour four minute in fifty five, Mark

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01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 4: Luke said, the MK audience are mostly boxing fans, get

2353
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 4: out of your Delta eight section.

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01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:15,560
Speaker 5: Would I ever PC Have you ever heard me express

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01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 5: that opinion? In fact, oh, they're saying I did say

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01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 5: shid Mikey said.

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01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 4: Mikey Mormo said, you did say Okay.

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01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 5: I did say this, but I may have our producers

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01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 5: saying I misspoke, but I did say it.

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01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 5: If I said it, then clearly that is wrong. But

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01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:29,640
Speaker 5: I hope the fans understand BC. Did we not have

2363
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 5: a huge meeting about this where I made very much

2364
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 5: not that point true or false?

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01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, So we need to get out of the

2366
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 4: routine of putting dead wrongs that are just like okay,

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01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 4: obviously he said the wrong name, right. Dead wrongs are

2368
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 4: supposed to be like you think you're smart, but really

2369
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 4: you're you're you're wrong. You know you're fucking wrong on

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01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 4: that fact.

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01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:51,880
Speaker 5: You anyway, I don't anyway believe that MK fans are

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01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 5: predominantly boxing fans.

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01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 2: I don't believe that for two seconds.

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01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 4: All right, well, let's hear his rant. Get out of

2375
01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 4: your Delta eight flight and get some sleep, you old bastard,

2376
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 4: because this is a dead wrong, since MK fans hate

2377
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:05,679
Speaker 4: it when you guys talk about boxing and are mostly

2378
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 4: here for that sweet UFC content you guys produce. In

2379
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 4: all seriousness, it's a small, dead wrong. But tell Luke

2380
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,719
Speaker 4: to get eight hours of sleep instead of some Delta

2381
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 4: eight gummies. Love you keep up the great shit. I don't.

2382
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 4: There's some life advice, Luke, He says, get better sleep

2383
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 4: what I need.

2384
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 5: I fell asleep at my desk last night due I fell.

2385
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 5: I fell asleep right here doing this number, yeah, like

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01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:28,599
Speaker 5: with my head like this, And so when I woke up, dude,

2387
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 5: I had the biggest fucking criok in my neck in

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01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 5: hur Wait.

2389
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 4: Did you have so much spit like going down? You're

2390
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 4: like gutt and stuff that was discussed.

2391
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 5: No, I've had that on planes where I sit up.

2392
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 4: You're like Peter North? Is that you Peter?

2393
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 5: At one time fell asleep. I had like a pint.

2394
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:46,679
Speaker 5: I had fallen asleep almost this back of my drinking days,

2395
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 5: and I fell asleep like this, but it was just

2396
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,880
Speaker 5: level and so while I was asleep it was fine.

2397
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 5: And then the minute I woke up, it just poured

2398
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 5: all right in two my yeah, all of my drink

2399
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 5: and I'll I should have just stayed asleep.

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01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,360
Speaker 4: We have a final dead wrong from Greg. He says,

2401
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 4: my main man, BC is largely responsible for turning me

2402
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 4: on to the sport of boxing several years ago, and

2403
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 4: he remains my go to boxing analyst and journalist to

2404
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 4: this day, to this day, to this date. However, even

2405
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:22,679
Speaker 4: the best make mistakes, and BC was dead wrong multiple

2406
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:26,559
Speaker 4: times last week for the same simple error on Wednesday

2407
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 4: show and in his CBS Sports recap of the Canelo fight,

2408
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 4: BC claimed Canelo first moved up to light heavyweight to

2409
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:37,919
Speaker 4: challenge Sergei Kovalev for the WBC belt in twenty nineteen.

2410
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 4: This is dead wrong because Canelo actually claimed the WBO

2411
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 4: strap from Covalev, not the BC ps. Are you guys

2412
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:48,640
Speaker 4: still planning to do a live show in Vegas for

2413
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 4: International Fight Week? If so, I'll see you both there

2414
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 4: with three beers and a shoe cheers from Canada. It's Greg.

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01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 5: Wow, Luke, Wow, it's actually a good dead wrong.

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01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a good dead rung. I was dead wrong.

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01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 4: I was wrong. Thank you, thank you Greg. Yeah, Luke,

2418
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 4: we are right. We are going to be doing a

2419
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:11,920
Speaker 4: live show because that's why you guys voted for us

2420
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 4: to win that damn podcast award. Okay. We reward our people.

2421
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:17,720
Speaker 5: Which one BC, I've lost track all day.

2422
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 4: We feed our cats, right, you know, homeless or not,

2423
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 4: We're feeding them here. We're feeding all the day.

2424
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 5: How many of these are we doing?

2425
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 4: This is not a bit, Luke. It's Shabanis has become

2426
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:30,639
Speaker 4: our part of our lives everyone. It's just what. It's

2427
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 4: what it is, Luke.

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01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean it's partly true, but you also have

2429
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 5: sort of, you know, intentionally made it that way.

2430
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,719
Speaker 4: So dude, the guys famous is all over the place.

2431
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 2: You up.

2432
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 4: You tend to model people that are successful. I know, right,

2433
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 4: It's not my fault he's so successful, Luke. Okay, let's

2434
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 4: close out the show. Luke. A reminder you can send

2435
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 4: in your fans, ubs, dead wrongs, stick picks, whatever you

2436
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 4: got to Morning Combat at gmail. Dot com and only

2437
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 4: offer sticks here because I don't feel that email address,

2438
01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 4: so it's up to them to deal with HR. Also, Luke,

2439
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 4: we got great merch. Okay, we got this show right here.

2440
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 4: All right, you want this mug, I'll sell you this

2441
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 4: exact mug without washing it. All right, It'll be an

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Speaker 4: extra four ninety nine a COVID test. Morningcombat dot store

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Speaker 4: now offering flat rate international shipping. So, Luke, what do

2444
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 4: you think about maybe your Colombians, your your wife's cousins,

2445
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 4: ense uncles. Everybody wears MK this year? What do you

2446
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 4: think flat rate?

2447
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 3: Luke?

2448
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:29,600
Speaker 2: I have And I'm being dead serious about this.

2449
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 5: I've never told well, I mean, I've sort of told

2450
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 5: you this, but like I really have had like a

2451
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 5: real moment of clarity. I don't tell my like I've

2452
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 5: been like sort of stewing for fourteen years about the

2453
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 5: lack of any career progress I've made with anyone I love. Dude,

2454
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 5: I have I had a moment of clarity. I have

2455
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 5: completely given up, Like I don't I don't care at

2456
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,639
Speaker 5: all about sharing anything about this at all with them.

2457
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 5: So you're asking, like, will they wear merch? I don't

2458
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:57,759
Speaker 5: know if at gunpoint. Anyone in my family could name

2459
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,760
Speaker 5: this show at gun Oh boy, no, my wife could.

2460
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 4: My wife are doing skitz and bits here, I mean,

2461
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 4: come on.

2462
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 5: My wife could, but no one else in the family could.

2463
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 5: And it's certainly not either on the Thomas side or

2464
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:08,599
Speaker 5: her side.

2465
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:10,840
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.

2466
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:12,680
Speaker 2: Luke. No, dude, it's okay. It's no.

2467
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,760
Speaker 5: No, no, like it soundly built, it's actually liberating. It's like

2468
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 5: Eddie Alvarez after the loss to Connor McGregor. It's like,

2469
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 5: you know, you hit that low. There's just really your fine.

2470
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I interviewed Eddie Alvarez after that loss. He

2471
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 5: was like, it was liberating. I feel free to do

2472
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 5: all the things I wanted to do. Now that's how

2473
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 5: I feel BC. I got liberated.

2474
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 4: More time to masturbate, Yes, that's right.

2475
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't need much though. It doesn't take very long.

2476
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 4: Right there? It is. Wow, Hey, Long Island, Luke on

2477
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 4: the ones and twos is all over it today. If

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Speaker 4: this summer. If you want more MK though, you can

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Speaker 4: interviews Rich Franklin have won championship. Very good. Luke's got

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: It is, Yes soon one day.

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Speaker 4: Morning Combat channel Instant Analysis. It's gonna get intense. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna talk one five four. I love it.

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01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 5: I need we need a Delta eight sponsor.

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01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:49,080
Speaker 4: I want it line one and two at the moment. Okay,

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01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 4: we have been in contact. Okay, all right.

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01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I think it would go well with

2505
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 5: this show. Like we use Athletic Greens, I use NordVPN. Well,

2506
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 5: there's a lot of products I use that we could

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01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 5: be making money off of that we don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I do have limits, Luka of good taste

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01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:08,400
Speaker 4: and all that. So I know you're close with the

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01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 4: folks that Bang bros. Or so I'm not. We're not

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Speaker 4: wearing that, not wearing.

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Speaker 5: That at all.

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01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 4: Thank you to our great team, Mikey Mormile, Long Island,

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01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 4: Luke there, Corey's Linger and gaff It safe travels. But Luke,

2515
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 4: we got the best team in the game, right, I

2516
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 4: mean we really do. I mean that piece of shit

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01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 4: Matt Snyder's not here right now.

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01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 5: But besides that, right, yes, and other than the guy

2519
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 5: who you know is the sort of the head guy

2520
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 5: for us at showtime being totally absent on today's show,

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01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 5: yes we are.

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01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 2: Well.

2523
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:37,880
Speaker 4: I love that guy. I do love that guy though.

2524
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 4: I love doing this show and I love you listener viewer,

2525
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 4: thank you so much for dialing in and doing what

2526
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 4: we do here for the great and I mean it,

2527
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 4: Luke Thomas right in my family and in yours. Okay.

2528
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 4: I am Brian Campbell reminding you right. Take good care

2529
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 4: of what's up here. Okay, guys, do do the right thing.

2530
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 4: Take good care of yourself. Tomorrow is gonna happen. It's

2531
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 4: gonna come okay. And if it's coming on, it's coming on.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 4: Remember that this is BC with love. Two words we

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01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 4: out