Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Welcome back season five. All the smoke. We had a
Speaker 2: nice little break number five. This is your lucky number
Speaker 2: back a big season four us thanks to you, I
Speaker 2: guess mellther Green and I'm not talking about trick anyway. Man,
Speaker 2: we have none other then our brother to yo. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the show. What's up bro?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 4: They have you?
Speaker 2: Man? Don't you buy? I got you by h Man
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, one of the greatest to ever do it.
Speaker 2: Play for my favorite team. Uh, that's when I fell
Speaker 2: in love with your game. Which one favorite Niners? Okay,
Speaker 2: Niners are I'm a Niner guide. So let's talk to
Speaker 2: us the top three greatest receivers. I put you up there,
Speaker 2: I put Randy Moss up there. I put jer your
Speaker 2: rights up there. Where do you rank yourself amongst that mix?
Speaker 3: I've always asked this question and been consistent with my answer.
Speaker 3: I would say I'm number two. When you think about,
Speaker 3: you know, the consistency in which I played the game,
Speaker 3: how I played the game. I played at every level,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, even in the field from
Speaker 3: the short and medium and then you know, taking the
Speaker 3: top off and then just other little.
Speaker 2: Attributes of the game.
Speaker 3: When you talk about blocking things of that nature, people
Speaker 3: think just because you're a receiver, that's all you want
Speaker 3: to do, you know what I mean. But uh, there's
Speaker 3: other things. Like I said that when I came out
Speaker 3: of college. Those are some things Like as far as
Speaker 3: the receiving part of the game, I hadn't really mastered yet.
Speaker 3: You talk about bump and run, getting off different coverages,
Speaker 3: reading different coverages, I hadn't really experienced it at another level.
Speaker 3: So when I went to San Francisco, obviously, like I said,
Speaker 3: Jerry's obviously is going to be number one on my list.
Speaker 3: We have a lot of similarities in our game. We
Speaker 3: talked about how we approach the game. But going to
Speaker 3: small schools, I went to ut chat knew that he
Speaker 3: went to a HBCU school in Mississippi Valley State. But
Speaker 3: the coaches, like I said, being drafted to the Niners
Speaker 3: at that time, late nineties, you had the emergence of
Speaker 3: big receivers, you know, six to eight and boves. You
Speaker 3: had your Hermit Moors, your Jake Reed's, your JJ Stokes,
Speaker 3: those type of guys. We kind of set a train
Speaker 3: around that time for big receivers, and I had not
Speaker 3: possessed those physical attributes.
Speaker 2: Some kinds of things that you learned, uh from Jerry.
Speaker 2: Obviously he's your number one receiver, a lot of our
Speaker 2: number one receiver, but being drafted into a situation with
Speaker 2: him there, what were some of the early things you learned?
Speaker 3: All the responsibility of being a number one guy, some
Speaker 3: of those things that I just mentioned, I alluded to,
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's not just you know, catching the ball,
Speaker 3: making plays. But I was still, like I said, understanding
Speaker 3: that position, you're able to get other teammates involved, get
Speaker 3: them open. Even in the running game, you can you know,
Speaker 3: you can help in that situation, uh, and those running
Speaker 3: backs can benefit from the double team coverage and things
Speaker 3: that you that you possessed. So just to work at
Speaker 3: the end itself, I think that came with how I
Speaker 3: grew up. I was raised by my grandmama and my mom.
Speaker 3: So other than that, like I said, just watching his
Speaker 3: approach to the game every day, and after like my
Speaker 3: my my rookie year, into my rookie year and in
Speaker 3: my second year, my coaches they would always pull me
Speaker 3: to the side and they're like, yo, they saw the
Speaker 3: progression that I made from my rookie year to year three.
Speaker 3: Is when I made the big catch against Green Bay.
Speaker 3: They're like, man, you may have a you know, a
Speaker 3: successful career, just keep watching watching that guy.
Speaker 2: Right there already mass speak to his greatness again to
Speaker 2: be mentioned and amidst of those guys, I mean, really
Speaker 2: says a lot about who you were as a player,
Speaker 2: But speak to his greatness as well during his run.
Speaker 3: Obviously a better talent than I was coming out of
Speaker 3: coming out of college.
Speaker 2: He started right away. You know.
Speaker 3: He played at Marshall, a school that we played in
Speaker 3: our division, in our conference. When I was at ut
Speaker 3: chat Nooga, we didn't play against each other, but you
Speaker 3: played with Chad Pennington. And so you think about the
Speaker 3: skill set that he possessed. Dudes, he could fly, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, catch the ball, you know, anywhere.
Speaker 3: His catch radius was out of this world. And so
Speaker 3: again he had that talent that I wish I had
Speaker 3: coming out of college, but I had to develop into
Speaker 3: that like after you know, into my year one to
Speaker 3: year three. So when you think about what he did
Speaker 3: in Minnesota, like I said, I mean, he was doing
Speaker 3: some spectacular things. And I think to his credit to it,
Speaker 3: and he had a lot of great quarterbacks that he
Speaker 3: played early on that was able to get him the ball.
Speaker 3: Like for me, that was a maturation process and the
Speaker 3: progress that I had to do and make to get
Speaker 3: to the point to the level that he was coming
Speaker 3: straight out of college. And then I only played three
Speaker 3: years with Steve Young, who's a Hall of Fame quarterback,
Speaker 3: So I didn't really get to really play with a
Speaker 3: stellar like that, a one quarterback throughout the entirety of
Speaker 3: my career. But I was able to make it work
Speaker 3: because I was able to work hard.
Speaker 2: What's life flight day to day now? I mean, still
Speaker 2: in the goodest shape as you've ever been, as fast,
Speaker 2: as strong as you ever family, still see you on
Speaker 2: Instagram running sub for five and forties, planning in Big Three? Right,
Speaker 2: what's life like now for you?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Just just trying to be active. You know, my kids
Speaker 3: are in college, you in high school. So other than that,
Speaker 3: outside of you know, being a dad and being trying
Speaker 3: to be supportive of them, you know, just you know,
Speaker 3: working on a few business endeavors, like I said, my
Speaker 3: clothing line, wine candle line, things of that nature. And
Speaker 3: then like I said, I do speaking engagements, as well
Speaker 3: talking about you know how you know I talked to
Speaker 3: like real estate companies, that different companies that, what have you,
Speaker 3: and talking about that is just educating them on how
Speaker 3: an athlete's mindset is applicable to what they what they
Speaker 3: do on an every day basis. Because a lot of
Speaker 3: these fortune five one hundred companies and people that work
Speaker 3: at these companies they want they want to be athletes,
Speaker 3: and they want to know what it takes to be
Speaker 3: successful as an athlete. So I always talk about, you know,
Speaker 3: my path to success, which is desired, dedication, discipline. Like
Speaker 3: I said, even with that today, like I said, that's
Speaker 3: why I'm able to stay and look the way that
Speaker 3: I do because of the disciplined part of my career
Speaker 3: because I figured, Okay, early on, when I mentioned I
Speaker 3: wasn't as great as Randy coming out of college, I
Speaker 3: watched Jerry. I watched the things that he did. I
Speaker 3: assessed myself against my peers and the talent around me
Speaker 3: and even the league. Once I started playing, I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: I'm not as good as they are, yet what do
Speaker 3: I need to do to get on that level? And
Speaker 3: so again when I reflect back on, like say, you
Speaker 3: mentioned my Hall of Fame again. When I got inducted
Speaker 3: we actually first got nominated. You know, I was kind
Speaker 3: of blown away because I didn't really know what that meant.
Speaker 3: I didn't know the magnitude of what Hall of Fame
Speaker 3: was because I didn't play the game for that. But
Speaker 3: once I sat back, I was like, Man, how did
Speaker 3: I get here? In my own assessment, I'm like, Okay, desire,
Speaker 3: I had the desire. I dedicated myself. I did what
Speaker 3: you know, obviously, the trainers, the coaches and things of that,
Speaker 3: and that you told me to do. But it's like
Speaker 3: when you think about some of the greatest athletes that
Speaker 3: play every sport you play, you two have played with
Speaker 3: a lot of them. What separates those and you that
Speaker 3: one last d is what always comes up, and that's discipline.
Speaker 3: And so I applied that, like I said, with you know,
Speaker 3: my three pillars of what I call my three pillars
Speaker 3: of success. Prototype eighty one. Prototype eighty one, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: definition of prototype. And like I said, I mentioned my
Speaker 3: physical attributions that that was what a lot of teams
Speaker 3: when I was being drafted, they kept saying that I
Speaker 3: fit the prototype, the prototypical type.
Speaker 2: Of body or what have you.
Speaker 3: And then I looked at I looked up the word
Speaker 3: prototype and the definition is the definition of prototype is
Speaker 3: the basis on which something is made of form. We're
Speaker 3: all prototypes in our own right right. And so when
Speaker 3: I looked at okay Yo, I was born to do this,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I found my way and
Speaker 3: I made my a way to become. Like I said,
Speaker 3: I call myself prototype anyone but everybody has a has
Speaker 3: a is a prototype. And like I said, if you
Speaker 3: figure it out, you can get to the top.
Speaker 2: When when can we find it? I mean, when it's
Speaker 2: coming out. Oh, it's already, it's it's already. I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is actually this. I knew that was it. Hey
Speaker 2: I love me, Hey yeah, I love me me this
Speaker 2: it is. It is part of that.
Speaker 3: It's part of you know, my journey, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Those it's like I said, growing up, I
Speaker 3: got picked on t's this and that and the other.
Speaker 3: And sometimes I had that uh that defense mechanism. Like
Speaker 3: I said, we all go through certain things. And so
Speaker 3: growing up, as I started to play, you know, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I didn't have all this this love and glory. I
Speaker 3: didn't have all the adulation, people you know, supporting me.
Speaker 3: I didn't have you know, people talking about, Okay, you're
Speaker 3: a top five, this your top five that growing up
Speaker 3: in high school, I barely played college, barely played until
Speaker 3: like my sophomore junior year, and I didn't really start
Speaker 3: to like, yeah, my junior year. So these are some
Speaker 3: of the things that I started to kind of like
Speaker 3: realize about myself. And then, like I said, I had
Speaker 3: no self steam growing up because I was darshkin, because
Speaker 3: I wasn't good enough because I was skinny. That's part
Speaker 3: of you know, who we all are. At some point
Speaker 3: we kind of find ourselves and we you.
Speaker 2: Know, grow grow with that. And so I love me
Speaker 2: some me.
Speaker 3: That's that's something that that I that I always kind
Speaker 3: of figured out along the way, Like you gotta love
Speaker 3: yourself first because you're gonna have a lot of people
Speaker 3: they love to hate you and then I hate to
Speaker 3: love you.
Speaker 2: Did you have low self steak because how dark you were?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 2: I had a little self stand Poey was hey that
Speaker 2: that that too, Like I said, growing up in uh
Speaker 2: a low, low, low income household.
Speaker 3: You know, like I said, I was raised by my grandmom,
Speaker 3: and so I bro I stood in lines, the wit lines,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, waiting for the cheese and
Speaker 3: and those things that things.
Speaker 5: Of that nature. Hurricane hit that sort of we can
Speaker 5: get the Red Cross Hamburgers. Well, hey, so you know,
Speaker 5: like I said, man, my my success. Like I said,
Speaker 5: everybody has that path of their journey.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's it's it's it's always a different path for everybody. Yep, exactly.
Speaker 3: And so again that's why I've always been confident. Once
Speaker 3: I started to become confident, I became even more confident,
Speaker 3: especially once I realized what I could do on the
Speaker 3: football field, because it wasn't always there. I never ever
Speaker 3: thought I would play beyond the collegiate level. So and
Speaker 3: I played three years of college basketball as well. So
Speaker 3: again I never really thought that I have the ability
Speaker 3: since got got recruited to play there, but I never
Speaker 3: really thought I had the ability to play beyond.
Speaker 2: You teach at knew them this stephen A situation has
Speaker 2: kind of been ruined of late. I saw, but you
Speaker 2: got brought right. I saw there was an initial situation
Speaker 2: happened back during the Kaepernick thing, and you guys got
Speaker 2: into it and in the world saw that. I don't
Speaker 2: know how it kind of recirculated, but it has Steven
Speaker 2: Asmith one on his podcasts and kind of said his
Speaker 2: reasoning and his piece behind it. You're here now and
Speaker 2: we want to give you the floor to say your piece.
Speaker 2: Before before you say your piece, you know, we got
Speaker 2: a love for both of y'all. A show. I want
Speaker 2: to know, Is there any any light at the end
Speaker 2: of the tunnel. No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because he's used his platform really
Speaker 3: kind of to really tarnish a character, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, who I am as a person, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, so regardless of however he started his monologue
Speaker 3: and his thing with his his podcast trying to build
Speaker 3: me up to break me down, we all see through that,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, and all the people he's talking
Speaker 3: about that has reached out to them just now and
Speaker 3: the other from gms to players and coaches.
Speaker 2: Who gives a who gives a ship?
Speaker 3: To be quite honest, because I've had I've had people,
Speaker 3: you know that have reached out to me, players as well,
Speaker 3: you know, and some of the people that he thinks
Speaker 3: are cool with him, they're not cool with him. So
Speaker 3: before I go on my dial tribe, Steve May can't
Speaker 3: be a solitical because I'm here with these guys, but
Speaker 3: I will address some of those things.
Speaker 2: Flora George bros So. So the initial situation, to backtrack,
Speaker 2: the initial situation was during the Kaepernick situation where he
Speaker 2: was trying to come back. Uh, there was an incident
Speaker 2: where you him and Max were talking and you said
Speaker 2: Max acts a little blacker than you whatever, and that
Speaker 2: kind of got the thing going. So what happened? So
Speaker 2: from there, what happened?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: And on even at the clip, like again you said
Speaker 3: a resurface, It researched it resurface because I guess he
Speaker 3: did an interview with Joe Budden and he explained why
Speaker 3: he didn't like Max or he didn't like working with Max,
Speaker 3: and so obviously Max end up getting fire blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. So fans took to that interview and they
Speaker 3: brought up, okay, well this is why Too said what
Speaker 3: he said. So I kept getting tagged on the video
Speaker 3: and my phone was like, Yo.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: So I saw the comments of what have you and
Speaker 3: I just I haven't backed down from anything. I just
Speaker 3: said facts and just left it at that. He took
Speaker 3: offense to that then he went on his podcast and
Speaker 3: said that I posted it, which I didn't, and even
Speaker 3: in my response to that, and I'm like genius, I
Speaker 3: retweeated it. I didn't actually post it. I didn't go
Speaker 3: out of my way to go bring every thing up.
Speaker 3: It was only a response to that interview that he
Speaker 3: did with Joe Budden about Max that all the fans
Speaker 3: you know, brought it up. So he took offense you know,
Speaker 3: to that, And so that's where all all resurfaced.
Speaker 2: Now he I got a chance to see what he said,
Speaker 2: went back in Washington. He says something about a lawsuit
Speaker 2: at ESPN or something.
Speaker 3: Right, so right, so right, So I guess there was
Speaker 3: something going on. I guess we were talking about the
Speaker 3: Kaepernick situation and somehow there was a text exchange between
Speaker 3: me and him, and he on air he mentioned something
Speaker 3: about the text, which I didn't give him consent to do.
Speaker 2: I had you. But that's that's one rule.
Speaker 5: Somebody takes you, or any type of conversation takes you,
Speaker 5: do not share it on social media.
Speaker 2: None of that, bro, you just.
Speaker 3: Exactly so I didn't take the honest I didn't go
Speaker 3: out of my way to old file a lawsuit. I
Speaker 3: had an attorney to reach out to me like, Yo,
Speaker 3: that's not right. It's copyright infringement something along those lines.
Speaker 2: Oh so someone just reached out and attorney came and
Speaker 2: found you about it, and he said, do you want
Speaker 2: to pursue? Yeah, this is what happens. Like he can't
Speaker 2: do that. So it wasn't really human it was. I
Speaker 2: looked at ESPN.
Speaker 3: ESPN has dogged me over the years, mischaracterized me, having
Speaker 3: people having misunderstandings about.
Speaker 2: Who I am.
Speaker 3: You know, whether whether you know as far as my
Speaker 3: characters is concerned. Everybody's talking about I'm arrogant, I'm selfish.
Speaker 2: Of course I've had disagreements with some players, some coaches,
Speaker 2: but who hasn't Right now, question, I do not to
Speaker 2: cut you off. I don't because I don't want want
Speaker 2: you to finish. I do remember he was one of
Speaker 2: the back so before all this shit hit, you guys
Speaker 2: were cool then, because I remember he used to stand
Speaker 2: up for you a lot. That was the one thing
Speaker 2: he used to do back in the day before the
Speaker 2: ship hit.
Speaker 3: I think everybody realized stephen A was cool with a
Speaker 3: lot of things back in the day. But as time
Speaker 3: has surpassed. A lot of people have a different opinion
Speaker 3: about who stephen was then and who.
Speaker 2: He is now.
Speaker 3: I'm one of those people. So regardless of that, me
Speaker 3: and steven A, we ain't buddy buddy, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Whether he talks good or bad about me
Speaker 3: on his show, whether it's objective or subjective, that's his job.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I didn't know stephen A prior to me. I guess
Speaker 3: our initial meeting.
Speaker 2: I guarantee he knew about me because of my play
Speaker 2: before I knew about him. So we're not We're not.
Speaker 3: Buddy buddy at the end of the day. And so
Speaker 3: again back to my point, they're trying to reached out.
Speaker 3: He said, this is what this is what we want
Speaker 3: to do. He went after, Yes, he submitted the file
Speaker 3: or the claim to ESPN, and that's how how things started.
Speaker 3: But for me, for him to say in the mood
Speaker 3: or insinuate that it's a money grab or something like that,
Speaker 3: that's that's that's that's that's not cool, you know, mean
Speaker 3: to insinuate, oh, I'm broke this nothing the other because
Speaker 3: these are these are certain things. Like I said that
Speaker 3: I it is personal, you know what I mean? It's
Speaker 3: no it's no secret I had. I was represented by
Speaker 3: Drew and Jason Rosenhouse. They referred me to UH pro
Speaker 3: Sports Financial, who was managed, who's a financial.
Speaker 2: Advisor, and Jeff Rubin.
Speaker 3: It's public knowledge, bro, I got taken advantage of. They
Speaker 3: stole a lot of my money. Anybody knows me. I
Speaker 3: didn't just go blow my money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So yet, do I have the means that I had
Speaker 3: back then? Absolutely not. But for him to go on
Speaker 3: TV and in sinuate certain these things that I did
Speaker 3: X Y Z and I'm desperate, that's not cool, Bros.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm gonna I'm not gonna let that slide.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, and I told him,
Speaker 3: I called him, I told him, was Yo, keep that
Speaker 3: same energy. You're gonna call me a sorry ass and
Speaker 3: I'm pathetic things of that that I'm trifling When if
Speaker 3: I ever come across and keep that same.
Speaker 2: Energy, it's not a threat. But you're not gonna use.
Speaker 3: That platform to downgrade me as a person in what
Speaker 3: I've accomplished for your benefit, because you have a platform
Speaker 3: to do that and then talk about and bring up
Speaker 3: all these these these top named people or high qualified.
Speaker 2: I guess in here his name to demean me. You
Speaker 2: mentioning the Donary Vannas of Brian Dawkins, the primes.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Shannon Sharp, you know, talking
Speaker 3: about gms and players to me, I don't go after
Speaker 3: him like that.
Speaker 2: What have I ever done? Then?
Speaker 3: Holding up papers in his podcast like he got something,
Speaker 3: like he got something on me and he's gonna expose me,
Speaker 3: expose me for what? I urge him? Do I give
Speaker 3: him permission to expose me because I've never done anything.
Speaker 3: You don't have anything on me. You got the world
Speaker 3: looking at me crazy like you got something on me.
Speaker 3: So if you do, please let it be known here.
Speaker 2: The one thing I will say about athletes that we
Speaker 2: don't really have too many skeletons, Like all shit is front,
Speaker 2: All of our ship is front and center. So I
Speaker 2: get what you're saying with that. So I mean, is
Speaker 2: there anything else you kind of want to Like I said,
Speaker 2: I want to make sure you get that out or
Speaker 2: anything else off your chest when it comes to that.
Speaker 3: No, I mean again, I just I appreciate the platform because,
Speaker 3: like I said, he had the opportunity to sit in
Speaker 3: front of his in front of him, his audience, his
Speaker 3: millions of subscribers, you know, like you said, he's soliloquy
Speaker 3: to share his thoughts with all the heroes or whatever
Speaker 3: the case may be. But for me, I wanted to
Speaker 3: share that with everybody, to give them some context as
Speaker 3: to what he's saying is not accurate, it's not totally true.
Speaker 3: For him to try to build me up and then
Speaker 3: bash me and and attack my character, that's that's not
Speaker 3: gonna fly with me. I want the same platform, like
Speaker 3: I said, to sit down and really share my story
Speaker 3: and let everybody know, like, yo, he's not who we
Speaker 3: think he is. And Steven A he's walking around like
Speaker 3: just because ESPN has pattered in his pockets with some millions,
Speaker 3: he's walking around like he's up, like he's an athlete,
Speaker 3: like he got.
Speaker 2: That kind of cachet.
Speaker 3: And then, like I said, mentioning guys that oppositely I
Speaker 3: think highly of talking about Dion and Shannon and these
Speaker 3: guys I come across with, you know, on a regular
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, That's not cool to be
Speaker 3: name dropping, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because now I'm around these guys and I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: how do they really feel about me? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? How do they think about me? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: So that's that's that's where I am with it, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So as he said in this podcast,
Speaker 3: we don't ever have to speak again, never ever. But
Speaker 3: make no mistake about it. I don't try to be
Speaker 3: no badass, no nothing, bro. Anybody know me.
Speaker 2: I'm easy going, I'm cool. I've kept my nose clean
Speaker 2: because I was raised the right way, bro.
Speaker 3: Right, But you're not finna sit up here and try
Speaker 3: to bash me and attack my character in front of
Speaker 3: millions and sit on ESPN with your compadres or what
Speaker 3: have you and act like you bad and you this
Speaker 3: and that and the other.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna fly with me.
Speaker 3: But like I told him, keep that same energy. And
Speaker 3: I'm like saying, I'm not condoning nobody, but you're not
Speaker 3: finna disrespect me, you know what I mean. Because when
Speaker 3: it comes to the player that ain't got that has
Speaker 3: nothing to do with that, that has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with this, And you know what I mean, it's me
Speaker 3: for me, like I said, it's it's personal. So at
Speaker 3: this point, like I said, at this point in time,
Speaker 3: that's that's that's how I am.
Speaker 2: That's where I am with it.
Speaker 5: Anytime as a man, though, anytime as a man you
Speaker 5: feel disrespected as far as your character or your integrity,
Speaker 5: you should feel a SA type of work. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Any man should and you should respond.
Speaker 5: And unless you're not a man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And and unless you don't stand on wars or respect,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I'm and for me personally,
Speaker 5: any anytime something that's talked about in private and it
Speaker 5: shared public, it's gonna cause a problem, right like we
Speaker 5: like man said, especially if it's not an understanding before that, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. So, uh, a lot a lot
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 5: That's that from my premiere in the what Happened, I
Speaker 5: feel like it could be a conversation between y'all because
Speaker 5: with the media knowing this and all this stuff being out,
Speaker 5: it's a lot of stuff that been said.
Speaker 2: That ain't true too. You know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 2: it's lives of it's been insinuated, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Because everybody's on the outside looking in read So that's
Speaker 5: why I feel y'all said down. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: y'all might have to get an in box for a minute,
Speaker 5: so what or we can just bring some weed too,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. If y'all got a box
Speaker 5: one minute, they talk about that's how we do it
Speaker 5: in the hood. We got disagreements with, scrap it out.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying that we gonna back to
Speaker 5: the stove by kid together. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: that that's how we grew up as men. It's gonna
Speaker 5: be different. I get that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But for me, first, I feel like with all the
Speaker 5: other shit around it, the being out in social media.
Speaker 2: That's makes it harder for y'all to get to understanding
Speaker 2: my person.
Speaker 3: But to your point, and like I said, to add
Speaker 3: some clarity to things like I said, and such things
Speaker 3: are misleading, as if he and I and I went
Speaker 3: back and somebody sent me a clip of some of
Speaker 3: the things that he said, and he's like, oh, he's
Speaker 3: not a liar, He's not this, he's not that. And
Speaker 3: again the thing is the insinuation that you know, I'm
Speaker 3: doing stuff for money. You know, like I told you,
Speaker 3: I don't have the same amount of money because I
Speaker 3: got taken. There ain't nobody business t o. But he
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. He made it everybody business.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: He got people looking at me sideways. And then even
Speaker 3: with the lawsuit thing, I showed you guys, he admittedly
Speaker 3: in the text from my from our text exchange, He's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm mistaken your your text for a tweet. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what the attorney was referring to. He admitted that I
Speaker 3: showed you guys that that's in our text conversation. I
Speaker 3: ain't got no reason to lie about nothing, and I
Speaker 3: ain't got nothing to hide. So for him to come
Speaker 3: out initially when he saw the whole facts thing response
Speaker 3: to that and somebody gonna expose me, expose me for
Speaker 3: what I urge you to expose me. But at this
Speaker 3: end of the day, like I said, he feels the
Speaker 3: way he feels.
Speaker 2: I feel the way I feel. Like I told you,
Speaker 2: we're not Betty.
Speaker 3: But I don't never have to talk to steven A
Speaker 3: again in it, in my entire life.
Speaker 2: He can sit on.
Speaker 3: ESPN do what it use all the big words he
Speaker 3: wants to to impress everybody that doesn't impress me now.
Speaker 3: Like I said, he's used that platform to tear some
Speaker 3: black athletes down, and even I'm included that you try
Speaker 3: to build him up, tear him down with your words,
Speaker 3: this and that and the other.
Speaker 2: Your monologue.
Speaker 3: Bro, I don't I can see past all of that.
Speaker 3: But you're not finna just do it to me. A
Speaker 3: lot of guys are not gonna.
Speaker 5: Say anything now. I feel I feel you. I mean shit,
Speaker 5: he still me up. I just the way he talked
Speaker 5: about me with the brall shit. So my boy, I
Speaker 5: ain't brought it up to him, but he dogged me.
Speaker 5: But I didn't let it go because I'm live still.
Speaker 5: But but right, but again those things right, but those things.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm still him. Yeah right, what he
Speaker 2: done right?
Speaker 3: But like I said, you know, I said, I can
Speaker 3: look at this camera just like he looks into the
Speaker 3: camera and talk to America. And when I tell you,
Speaker 3: when I'm serious about that, keep the steam that keep
Speaker 3: that same energy, my guy, Keep that same energy. And
Speaker 3: I put that on Alazon Black, my dude, keep that
Speaker 3: same energy that you did with your podcast. Keep to
Speaker 3: keep it the same.
Speaker 2: That's all I gotta say. I think before it move one. Jack.
Speaker 2: I want to come in both of us because we
Speaker 2: both tried to try to try to go to peaceful
Speaker 2: right and I just can't believe it and that ship
Speaker 2: for us to do it, it didn't work. It's c Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's smoke with spoke bout you guys before this ard
Speaker 2: and we both changed ourselves, didn't never seeing us coming.
Speaker 2: Pat's like, hey, but hey, it's good y'all. Handle your business, man.
Speaker 2: I hope it.
Speaker 5: I hope it works itself out. Yeah, man, just keep
Speaker 5: what's private, you know. Yeah, op social media. Let's talk
Speaker 5: about your upbreaker, bro, because you know, we know we
Speaker 5: wanted you to. We want to have you on this show.
Speaker 5: Definitely talk about that you and your greatness to you,
Speaker 5: our boy, you know what I'm saying. With something on
Speaker 5: your mind. This is a platform with people that we
Speaker 5: rock with, especially to come say what they need to say.
Speaker 5: So we want to get that off first because we
Speaker 5: fuck with you like family. No, And that's why I've
Speaker 5: wanted to do it.
Speaker 3: What you got it because I'm not going to go
Speaker 3: to another network and have them chop my stuff up
Speaker 3: and edit it. I want to see me you know,
Speaker 3: because over the years, like I said ESPN, They bro,
Speaker 3: they did me wrong. Anything that happened during the course
Speaker 3: of my career. I did an hour and a half
Speaker 3: two hour interviews, but theyre on the show like maybe
Speaker 3: five or ten minutes of the cliffs controlling there.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So that's why everybody thinks that I'm this person. That's
Speaker 3: why he can go on his podcast and compound some
Speaker 3: of those things and bring some of those things up
Speaker 3: as if I'm that person. Bro, I know what he's doing.
Speaker 3: That's not bro, that's not cool. But he wonders why.
Speaker 3: You know, people, why I said what I said. I
Speaker 3: said it tongue in cheek, but there's always a little
Speaker 3: truth to it. That's why I said the Maxine's black.
Speaker 3: I said what people are thinking. But now, like I said,
Speaker 3: I never bagged down from it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a man in my word. I did,
Speaker 3: and stand on it, stand on what I say, but
Speaker 3: it is what it is at this point. And then,
Speaker 3: but often you're talking about some of the things that
Speaker 3: I'm doing now getting ready to do a documentary to say,
Speaker 3: if we're gonna allude to some of it, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna reveal everything, but yeah, some of how I grew
Speaker 3: up some of the things that are going on, even
Speaker 3: just you know, some of the things, like I said,
Speaker 3: me losing millions of dollars you know, through you know,
Speaker 3: through the recommendation of my agents at the time, Drew
Speaker 3: and Jason Rosenhouse, you know what I mean, financially, Like
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, So again, those are things that people
Speaker 3: don't no. But again for Steve and they to use
Speaker 3: this platform to insinuate that I'm desperate, and those are
Speaker 3: the day, those are the that's the word that he used.
Speaker 3: And when I asked him about it, he goes, I
Speaker 3: didn't tell I didn't say you were desperate. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 3: you did. It's in your tweet. You said I was desperate.
Speaker 3: Then he went in back double down on that with
Speaker 3: his podcast and say that I was doing this stuff
Speaker 3: for money. Granted I ain't. It ain't no secret. I
Speaker 3: don't have as much money as I used to. But
Speaker 3: I'm alive, I'm blessed, I'm a good I'm a Hall
Speaker 3: of Famer.
Speaker 2: I ain't worried about nothing. I'm good.
Speaker 5: I ain't ask him for nothing, So why he worried
Speaker 5: about what's in my pockets? They talk about your upbringing,
Speaker 5: though we got similar love brings. You was raised by
Speaker 5: your mom and grandmother.
Speaker 2: I was too. Yep.
Speaker 5: My mom would work six in the morning, me six
Speaker 5: and the even to six in the morning. My whole
Speaker 5: life sotot badly seen her. So I basically stay with
Speaker 5: my grandmother. Talk about having that, having that, Really there's
Speaker 5: a blessing to be raised by two strong women.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You was raised by your mama.
Speaker 2: But look at me now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So talk about being raised by your grandmother and your
Speaker 5: mom in Alabama. Oh man, it's like you know Alexandria, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Alexander Sandra City.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Ari, it's in the city. You know.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I've said it a number of times.
Speaker 3: Like I said, being raised by two women, probably, like
Speaker 3: I said, probably may have been the best thing for
Speaker 3: me because it shaved me to be who I am,
Speaker 3: you know, unapologetic, you know, in certain certain areas about
Speaker 3: certain things. My grandmama grew up in that segregation era
Speaker 3: where you know, she grew up whereas it was racism
Speaker 3: to the fullest. Growing up, I used to hear her
Speaker 3: talk to her friends about certain things that she had
Speaker 3: to do, grew up doing what they couldn't do. I
Speaker 3: couldn't imagine it and didn't really understand it at that time.
Speaker 3: But as we as I grew up, and as we
Speaker 3: know what has happened over the years, you know, especially
Speaker 3: with the George Flour situation, things being brought to light
Speaker 3: because now they actually see it.
Speaker 2: Now, I know a lot.
Speaker 3: Of what she used to go through, what she used
Speaker 3: to talk about, and what we as black people have
Speaker 3: been talking about a number of times. Even when I
Speaker 3: went through got drafted by by the Niners, dealing with
Speaker 3: coach Mary Ucci, there were some things. There was some
Speaker 3: tension there. I didn't really think about it too much.
Speaker 3: I felt it, I saw it, but I never said anything.
Speaker 3: We talked about systemic racism. It was there, but I
Speaker 3: didn't let it. I didn't let it deter me or
Speaker 3: distract from what I had to do on the football field, because,
Speaker 3: like I said, there were some things. After my third year,
Speaker 3: you had skip Baitis to follow. He was a journalist
Speaker 3: or beat writer or something in San Francis. You would
Speaker 3: followed my career. He fell in love with me, then
Speaker 3: he fell out of love. Then I became somewhat of
Speaker 3: a feelin he started to do his show. Now I
Speaker 3: had a target on my back. Now everybody thought I
Speaker 3: was this way when I actually wasn't a certain way.
Speaker 3: But again, like I said, the things that I I've accomplished,
Speaker 3: the way that I've carried myself. You know what it's
Speaker 3: like to carry your name, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I tried to represent myself and my family, and I
Speaker 3: feel like I've done that to the fullest because I said,
Speaker 3: I know right from wrong. You know, as we grow up,
Speaker 3: if you don't know right from wrong, you'll understand with
Speaker 3: trial and trivilations and the lessons that you learned. I've
Speaker 3: never claimed to be perfect. I've made some mistakes along
Speaker 3: the way, and I've made some poor choices along the
Speaker 3: way that made That's what makes us who we are,
Speaker 3: makes us mean. So again, those are some of the things,
Speaker 3: like I said, that I took from from my grandmama,
Speaker 3: my mom, Like she said, she had me in like
Speaker 3: sixteen or seventeen, so she was working a number of
Speaker 3: jobs as well. She was a seamstress growing up. She
Speaker 3: made clothes for everybody in the neighborhood or or like
Speaker 3: just to make ends meet. You know what I mean
Speaker 3: I didn't have the I didn't I didn't have the
Speaker 3: name brand things that a lot of the rich white
Speaker 3: kids were wearing. I saw that, you know. I was
Speaker 3: ran wearing wranglers, you know what I mean, ahead shoes
Speaker 3: that were called pie crust because they didn't have no grip,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Those are some of the things.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I grew up and feeling less than
Speaker 3: because I didn't have the better of everything.
Speaker 2: And so my mom, like said, she she she made
Speaker 2: she made sure we look good and we were dressed
Speaker 2: no matter what.
Speaker 3: So that's how even like we were some of the
Speaker 3: fashion stuff that I try to get into, even some
Speaker 3: of the things that I was able to accomplish and
Speaker 3: still doing now, she lived by character through me because
Speaker 3: it was cut short because she had kids at.
Speaker 2: A young age. She couldn't do those things.
Speaker 3: So we're telling you about fashion, you know, home to court,
Speaker 3: things that my mom wanted to do.
Speaker 5: All those things they and to think about, we went without,
Speaker 5: but they replaced it with love. Oh no doubt that
Speaker 5: got us through. Like I said, our lives are so similar.
Speaker 5: But my dad stayed around the corner for me and
Speaker 5: my whole life and I didn't. I didn't actually meet
Speaker 5: him and have a relationship with I was about twelve thirteen.
Speaker 5: I went to him to.
Speaker 2: Live with him because my older brother was damn, my older.
Speaker 5: Was selling drugs. I wanted to be in a dog game.
Speaker 5: So that's why I moved over. Your dad stayed right
Speaker 5: across the street. Yeah, I had no idea. You know,
Speaker 5: obviously the neighborhood. You got you know, girls, guy girls,
Speaker 5: boys in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I as a pre teen, you know, I mean teen,
Speaker 3: left twelve, you know me. You start to see girl
Speaker 3: that I was. You're like, so I started liking one
Speaker 3: of my sisters, and it got to the points like okay,
Speaker 3: it got back to my dad, and so he had
Speaker 3: that conversation.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, you can't know. You didn't know. That was
Speaker 2: just no. Yeah, we were just all in the neighborhood
Speaker 2: saying so popss across street that you didn't I had
Speaker 2: no idea he had kids, Yeah, he had four kids
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 3: The old neighborhood, I don't know, neighborhood. Yeah, but they
Speaker 3: will probably agree now that he was a rolling stone
Speaker 3: at that time.
Speaker 2: Up be news to me.
Speaker 3: I had no idea about his lifestyle, no note, but again,
Speaker 3: he had four girls.
Speaker 2: We all used to play muff and all.
Speaker 3: Types of stuff, uh in the neighborhood, hide and seek,
Speaker 3: things of that nature, and uh yeah. So I started
Speaker 3: having some feelings, you know, uh with one of the
Speaker 3: one of the girls, and it was Lisa. So and
Speaker 3: then got back to my dad because everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 3: terror lights, lease terror lights Lisa. So it got back
Speaker 3: to him and he had that conversation with Joe you
Speaker 3: can't like Lisa, and I'm like, what are.
Speaker 2: You talking about?
Speaker 3: Why Lisa's your sister. So that was kind of like
Speaker 3: how I.
Speaker 2: Found out who my dad was. So did you have
Speaker 2: like he spoke to you, but you just like growing up?
Speaker 3: Well yeah, so again, like I said, my dad he,
Speaker 3: like I said, understanding, Now you know his lifestyle.
Speaker 2: He got around a bit, so he was he was town.
Speaker 3: They played sports left handed, you know, nice at pool,
Speaker 3: all those things that I found out later on, I said,
Speaker 3: Like I said, I did a show on my own
Speaker 3: network with e yallabat ben Zotte where we did the
Speaker 3: show Fix My Life.
Speaker 2: And that was the first time the first time I
Speaker 2: ever saw my dad and my mom and by.
Speaker 3: Next to each other for more than two or three minutes.
Speaker 3: Because as I was growing up, I saw him around
Speaker 3: the town, you know what I mean, the softball games
Speaker 3: and this and that, and we had the rec center
Speaker 3: where everybody congregated to do certain things. I would run
Speaker 3: into him or what have you. That's when I saw
Speaker 3: saw him.
Speaker 2: Or what have you.
Speaker 3: If my mom was with me, I didn't even really
Speaker 3: know what was going he was. I just started with
Speaker 3: just my friend, you know what I mean, how I
Speaker 3: and by you know what I mean. But that was
Speaker 3: pretty much the extent of it. So, you know, like
Speaker 3: I said, mon story short at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: Like I said, even after the show, as I've grown,
Speaker 3: and like I said, he never came to any high
Speaker 3: school college and maybe to maybe a few pro games
Speaker 3: at that. But I commended him that he never really
Speaker 3: reached out to me. It wasn't like he saw that
Speaker 3: I became professional athlete. He knew I had money, and
Speaker 3: he tried to He never tried to do any of that.
Speaker 3: So I commended him on that. But as far as
Speaker 3: our relationship, it's cordial, you know what I mean. Is
Speaker 3: it like what I wish I could have had? No
Speaker 3: But what I didn't have with my father. I've tried
Speaker 3: to do that with my own kids, even though we've
Speaker 3: been in separate house. So and I've and I've talked
Speaker 3: to my kids about that. Even with them, I tried to,
Speaker 3: you know, make sure I don't use the word mistake
Speaker 3: and explain to certain things because you never know how
Speaker 3: a kid may interpret that. So I always say, damn
Speaker 3: made some poor choices, especially when my son got old
Speaker 3: enough that he realized, okay, he had other siblings, you know.
Speaker 3: So those are some of the things, like I said,
Speaker 3: I've taken from you know, how I grew up the
Speaker 3: relationship with him, and how I tried to move forward
Speaker 3: to make it better.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, yeah, what did football coming to play?
Speaker 3: I played football in like junior high high school, but
Speaker 3: I was just on the team stack.
Speaker 2: I wasn't wasn't that, Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't nothing
Speaker 2: to be talked about, you know me. Uh.
Speaker 3: While I went to obviously junior high, played JV, played
Speaker 3: tight end on JV, then obviously moving transitioning from JV
Speaker 3: to high school high school ball varsity, I still didn't
Speaker 3: really play a lot. I had two guys that were
Speaker 3: starting in front of me like my junior senior year.
Speaker 2: They liked that. Yeah, they were better than I was.
Speaker 3: And that's the way I've always been rid us about
Speaker 3: my skill set, my talent, you know. And I was
Speaker 3: like said, like I said, I got a story to tell.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm doing that documentary. And so I wasn't that.
Speaker 3: I wasn't that guy I witnessed. I saw the talent
Speaker 3: the guys around me. You know, you've seen those guys,
Speaker 3: like I said, you talk about the Lebron's that come
Speaker 3: out straight out of high school, and then you saw
Speaker 3: the natural talent in some of those guys. I was
Speaker 3: around those guys and literally I'm like, man, these guys
Speaker 3: are good, you know what I mean. They were like
Speaker 3: I would say, if you had to carry there, they
Speaker 3: would be four or five star athletes. I was never
Speaker 3: that what people saw in my professional career. They would
Speaker 3: have thought that I was that in high school. I
Speaker 3: was that in college. But again it's I always go
Speaker 3: back to my three pinals of success and how I
Speaker 3: how I got to be a Hall of Famers. That
Speaker 3: desire because I had a desire to.
Speaker 2: Play any sport, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I played baseball, I ran track in those those sports.
Speaker 3: When I didn't play baseball.
Speaker 2: I ran track.
Speaker 3: When I ran track, I played baseball and I played
Speaker 3: play basketball as well.
Speaker 2: So those are some of the.
Speaker 3: Things like I said that I did as an athlete,
Speaker 3: but I was just on the team.
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't a top guy. Yeah, I wasn't
Speaker 2: that star athlete. Uh ended up going to UT Chattanooga.
Speaker 3: On the hills of a guy that was being recruited,
Speaker 3: recruited from my high school, Derek Hall. They see him,
Speaker 3: they came to see him. You looked at the film.
Speaker 3: This is when we had the reels. They was in
Speaker 3: there watching film on him. And at that time, like
Speaker 3: junior senior, I started I played sparing me. So they
Speaker 3: saw me, you know, make a few plays here and there.
Speaker 3: You know, me long strider had heighth the physical attributes,
Speaker 3: you know, the prototypical type of body, you know for
Speaker 3: a receiver.
Speaker 2: By your senior year, were you as big as you were? No, okay,
Speaker 2: six or maybe one hundred and eighty five pounds.
Speaker 3: When I when I left high school and then when
Speaker 3: I left college, I was maybe probably.
Speaker 2: Like two oh five. So what was a recruiting process like,
Speaker 2: was that the only team that had interest in you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a couple of schools Division two schools
Speaker 3: that recruited me for basketball.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 3: But then, like I said, some of the offers, like
Speaker 3: a couple of offers that I had, they weren't really
Speaker 3: at big schools. So I just went with Like I said,
Speaker 3: I just followed Derek, you know what I mean. They
Speaker 3: were recruiting him, and again I didn't it was U
Speaker 3: T chat Nook. Like I said, I didn't really follow
Speaker 3: a lot of football and stuff growing up because my
Speaker 3: grandmother didn't really let me do a whole lot of anything.
Speaker 3: Didn't let them watch as much much TV or anything.
Speaker 3: Even like I said, we talked about my dad lived
Speaker 3: across the street. I was going over there watching TV,
Speaker 3: you know me know it was proud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so.
Speaker 3: She didn't let us do a whole lot of TV.
Speaker 3: Watching the things that that we had, The Basic show,
Speaker 3: the Bill, Coxy Show. I watched Wheel of Fortune. Why
Speaker 3: is this they make you turn the TV off? Like
Speaker 3: they ain't still paying kay, like people like they get
Speaker 3: charged extra cousins.
Speaker 2: All yeah, turn that TV off? Yeah yeah right? In
Speaker 2: my bill of my day, I used to didn't let
Speaker 2: us play the Nintendo on the TV because he said,
Speaker 2: well the color up yeah, bro. So yeah, so that's why. Hey, man,
Speaker 2: I remember, Hey, that's how that's that's that's how it was.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So like I said, I would like say, I made
Speaker 3: myself into who I am, you know what I mean
Speaker 3: as far as an athlete. But as I got older
Speaker 3: I was when I got drafted, I was just receptive
Speaker 3: to the coaches that saw something in me that I
Speaker 3: really didn't see.
Speaker 2: It myself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And I just I just kind of just had a
Speaker 3: step yeah, built like his steps back in the chip Man.
Speaker 2: We're speaking on college right now. Someone who's captivated as
Speaker 2: ship the country for sure and beyond possibly our brother
Speaker 2: Prime out there in Colorado.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Someone you're close with from the Jackson State opper, I
Speaker 2: mean from playing days. But then you know you support
Speaker 2: the Jackson State movement, You've been out the Colorado and
Speaker 2: felt the energy out there.
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: In your opinion, what do you feel like he's doing
Speaker 2: and bringing to the game right now?
Speaker 3: A lot of eyeballs, you know what I mean, are
Speaker 3: a different way, a different way of doing things. And
Speaker 3: I think what he did at JSU Jackson State kind
Speaker 3: of set the blueprint, really forced some guys to kind
Speaker 3: of go do what he did there.
Speaker 2: He had kind of reached his match, Like what else
Speaker 2: can he do there? You know what I mean? White Championships?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: What else can he do there? You gotta elevate, you
Speaker 3: gotta grow. So his next step, Okay, let's go to
Speaker 3: let me let me take this to one of the pwu's,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that's what he's done,
Speaker 3: and I think it can't I mean, what he's wanting
Speaker 3: to do is open the door for a lot of
Speaker 3: other brothers out there, black coaches. It can be imitated,
Speaker 3: but it can't be doing there. It ain't gonna be
Speaker 3: the same to do with it. Yeah, yeah, that's d
Speaker 3: being dal It ain't gonna get the same. But he's
Speaker 3: setting and laying down the blueprint.
Speaker 2: It can be done in your all way. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3: And again I think now, like I said, what he's
Speaker 3: doing there at Colorado, in a couple of years, if
Speaker 3: he stays there, Colorado's gonna be Alabama all he needs,
Speaker 3: like I said, And I've heard some of it, and
Speaker 3: I've seen some of the interviews. He's probably seven to
Speaker 3: eight players away, big boys from from being from being
Speaker 3: downb That's that's, that's all he needs because that's where
Speaker 3: the game is kind of won and lost. He has
Speaker 3: the skill positions, and he has those sold up tight.
Speaker 3: You know, they sewn up.
Speaker 5: So front five on both side right exactly, you know
Speaker 5: both sides, Yeah, sides of the ball.
Speaker 3: You gotta have, uh, those guys up there to obviously
Speaker 3: run the ball. You gotta have a somewhat of a
Speaker 3: balance attack. But you take what they give you and
Speaker 3: then nobody's stopping you from the air from from a
Speaker 3: passage that and you pass it till.
Speaker 2: They stop it. But again, that's why the.
Speaker 3: Rushing game has been has hasn't been as what it
Speaker 3: what he would like, you know, I mean what it
Speaker 3: needs to be because yeah, because.
Speaker 2: He got to go in between the tackles, get outside
Speaker 2: of it, and he got some guys to do it.
Speaker 3: But again, it's gonna take time and every game is
Speaker 3: going to be different, you know. I mean, he he
Speaker 3: has those kids leaving. Yeah, well, he let me tell
Speaker 3: you something what he's done. He can go talk to
Speaker 3: some penguins.
Speaker 2: For about a week and he'll make them think they
Speaker 2: can fly. I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell that's how much he got those guys,
Speaker 3: those kids, believe me, I don't even.
Speaker 2: Look at it as coaching. Obviously he's coaching, But to me,
Speaker 2: he's being the leader. Just for what you said he has.
Speaker 2: It's hard for this. Every every generation is different to
Speaker 2: be able to how do you get the attention of
Speaker 2: these young kids and make them believe in, buy in?
Speaker 2: And to me, that's far about being a leader than
Speaker 2: actually coaching. I feel like he's being a leader of
Speaker 2: these young men and like you said, these dudes will
Speaker 2: do anything for him. Oh yeah, absolutely anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he understands he's been there, Dias fort Myers.
Speaker 3: He hasn't always had the best of everything either, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. He's gone from rags to richies.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He's going through and whatever scenario these kids think they're
Speaker 3: going through that they think we as athletes or coaches
Speaker 3: haven't gone through. We've been through there. If not, we
Speaker 3: know somebody that has. So he can relate to those guys.
Speaker 3: And again, like I said, the aproach and how he
Speaker 3: approached going into that getting rid of a number of
Speaker 3: a lot of people White America didn't like that. They
Speaker 3: criticized him for that. But how can you criticize a
Speaker 3: man for what he's trying to do with his own team?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, He's bringing in his players.
Speaker 3: It's no different than coaches that get fired or and hired.
Speaker 3: They come in, they bring it, they bring in their coaches.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
Speaker 3: But why does white America feel like he's done something
Speaker 3: different or he's doing something.
Speaker 2: Wrong standing on the ship or sacking it up. What
Speaker 2: what you just said is what this white guy said.
Speaker 2: This guy the entire reading that's the show, and it
Speaker 2: was a white guy. He said, he loves the y'all.
Speaker 2: But he's like, he's just offended. He's like, why you offend.
Speaker 2: He's like, to be honest, why you offend? The white said,
Speaker 2: because we can't do it. That cop, that's not, that's
Speaker 2: not out that yeah he did.
Speaker 5: I was like, thank you for being honest, Like I loved,
Speaker 5: but I had to say that that's why we offended,
Speaker 5: because we can't do it.
Speaker 2: That cop, that's not. That's a personal problem, and you
Speaker 2: can't you can't.
Speaker 3: Fault us for how we do what we do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that part, but again a lot of people think that
Speaker 3: way that really we talk to him every day base
Speaker 3: they may not say it, they're in our faces, smile
Speaker 3: on how to fight and.
Speaker 2: Talk about how to back.
Speaker 3: Those are the type of things that we as black
Speaker 3: you know, athletes and people we go through.
Speaker 2: The guys deal with. You said, you're out there work
Speaker 2: on some of the receivers as well. Yeah. Hell, he
Speaker 2: brought me in.
Speaker 3: Like I said, he got a big receiver, Javon Antonio
Speaker 3: that he wanted me to kind of help, you know,
Speaker 3: help him along the way, kind of grooming a little bit.
Speaker 2: And he's rough around the edges. And then like I
Speaker 2: work with Travis, I worked with we were on and
Speaker 2: I worked worked with.
Speaker 3: All those guys and a lot of the guys, like
Speaker 3: I said that, while I was there, they asked me questions.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, talk about Travis as a
Speaker 3: receipt Oh man, let me know what you do on
Speaker 3: the other side of boss.
Speaker 2: Skills is crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: It's freakish.
Speaker 2: It's how I can explain it. You know.
Speaker 3: Like I said, there are some things that need to ease.
Speaker 3: Probably at the next level, he's going to have to
Speaker 3: find tune. But when you think about what he's doing
Speaker 3: as high school, like a high school like this nice
Speaker 3: second in the league, and you see the highlights of
Speaker 3: what he was doing, Bro, it's it's crazy. It's off
Speaker 3: the charts to just think like and he has that
Speaker 3: that mindset of wanting to get better, like I said,
Speaker 3: And then you know guys that you know, from speaking
Speaker 3: from a basketball standpoint, you know guys that have freakis
Speaker 3: athletic ability to go from from college to the pros
Speaker 3: and they don't enhance their abilities, they don't work to
Speaker 3: get better, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: There's that they get the money and they're cool with it.
Speaker 3: They sign up for you say, they sign up for
Speaker 3: your deal. The first three or four years they cool.
Speaker 3: Contract year come up, they go to their labs.
Speaker 4: N No.
Speaker 3: But some of them they're go get in the lab,
Speaker 3: get their game right. Oh okay, this is the guy
Speaker 3: we drafted. Then they get paid again, then they fall off.
Speaker 3: But again Travis is not. He's not gonna be one
Speaker 3: of those guys. He's hungry. He wants to he wants
Speaker 3: to get, you know, maximized the exposure that Deon is
Speaker 3: providing for him, and he's learning from Don.
Speaker 2: Too as well.
Speaker 3: Dean is just not coaching. He's teaching these kids about
Speaker 3: violent every every day.
Speaker 2: I can tell you.
Speaker 5: Saying what was smart, Like you see, nobody ain't go
Speaker 5: talking about it right on this little show. Everybody was
Speaker 5: wonder how he was doing and what happened?
Speaker 2: How you feel pajamas? All right? Nobody exactly. And that's
Speaker 2: like I said, even when I was playing dude, like
Speaker 2: I wish we.
Speaker 3: Had when when I was playing, I wish I had
Speaker 3: those type of platforms to the spell some of the
Speaker 3: things that was going on. I was kind of like
Speaker 3: before my time in the sin like said, Everybody was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm outspoken.
Speaker 2: They thought out spoken was.
Speaker 3: Something wrong, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, bro, like that's me bing. Yeah, that was me
Speaker 2: being honest, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And like I said, those are some of that they
Speaker 3: like said, that was just me being honest. So it's
Speaker 3: like I don't like her said even with stephen A
Speaker 3: with some of his stuff, like he tried to use
Speaker 3: all of that to bring his audience in to talk
Speaker 3: about me and further attack my character, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But I like what Travis did, Like let me address
Speaker 3: what it is and I liked his approach to it.
Speaker 3: He is football, Yeah, you know at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, Yeah, nobody wants to get hurt.
Speaker 2: But we know that was a legal hit. You know,
Speaker 2: we knew it was a cheap shot. You know me, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wanted. I think there was a huge question mark
Speaker 2: coming on can he do it on this level? And
Speaker 2: I think the composure he showed that last was a
Speaker 2: ninety eight the Senate over time Yeah eight point oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean he makes every throw runs when he
Speaker 2: needs to try to sit in the pot right place.
Speaker 2: Half and he took tough and small buck. I mean
Speaker 2: that was that that the play with the dude hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he snapped jo, But that showed you the poise,
Speaker 3: the character of his team. Again to number eight Tomorrow's credit,
Speaker 3: I didn't know who he was from Colorado State. He
Speaker 3: was a blessing and a curse for their team because
Speaker 3: he rick having the first whole game and he but
Speaker 3: the thing is no discipline, no poise, he calls he
Speaker 3: caused him the game too. We got you got a
Speaker 3: face mask and then he got the personal file driving
Speaker 3: at the game twice with me exactly on another one
Speaker 3: right he's a dog. I said, I didn't know who
Speaker 3: Commuter was for c s U, but I do now.
Speaker 3: But again that just shows you, like I said, you know,
Speaker 3: that's that's one of the things that that that that
Speaker 3: one of the mantras for for d N d LS
Speaker 3: team is like being smart, being tough, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Care question, Yeah for sure, for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But your point, he's he should have an L and
Speaker 3: a D on this thing. I know he just got
Speaker 3: the L, but he's a leader in a dout, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like I said, I wish I
Speaker 3: wish I could have played for a coach like like.
Speaker 2: Then, you know, I would have had a dal a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: as up here and I'll see how you not want
Speaker 2: your kids exactly to the system. And you see that
Speaker 2: they broke a streaming record. There's they're sold out games national,
Speaker 2: I tweeted. I was like, Dion's got us watching Colorado
Speaker 2: or Colorado State right now in the morning. One, I said,
Speaker 2: dian I smoking stale. If I was to stop, if
Speaker 2: I could stop moving out out.
Speaker 3: I'm driving through a high end area of California. I
Speaker 3: gotta see a lady walking her dog. She got on
Speaker 3: a prime hoodie. I'm like, what, I took a picture
Speaker 3: and I shouldered.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: When you talk about the prime effect, that's the prime
Speaker 3: effect you got under like uncharacteristicy people wearing wearing your.
Speaker 2: Stuff because of what you're doing.
Speaker 5: That firston I ever heard this basic blatantly say that
Speaker 5: they hope he don't succeed. So one person, all of
Speaker 5: the mine of them thinking mad dogs, said it. But
Speaker 5: again I'm not, yeah, exactly, but again.
Speaker 2: A lot of them, a lot of them feel that way.
Speaker 2: A lot of Yeah, I don't feel that clack that is,
Speaker 2: he's cut from that bullshit. Right, you already know what
Speaker 2: it is. But again, let them feel that way, just
Speaker 2: won't say it. They ain't gonna they're not gonna say it. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: Third round, Again, you said you weren't someone who watched
Speaker 2: a ton of sports to land in the situation as
Speaker 2: historical as the forty nine ers, Yeah, to play with
Speaker 2: the greatest receipver bro time and Steve Young was one
Speaker 2: of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And when you
Speaker 2: first got there, what was the situation? Like, how was it? Man?
Speaker 2: It was tough. It was overwhelming because like I said,
Speaker 2: I came from a small school.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a lot of plays, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. We had like a little binder, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, but las for the year, things of
Speaker 3: that nature and game by game. But when I went
Speaker 3: to the Niners go into training camp, Bro, we had
Speaker 3: like a pamphlet, not a path. Look, it was like
Speaker 3: a book. It was like a book, yeah, Bro, that's yeah,
Speaker 3: a dictionary. That's that's what it looked like. Man. And
Speaker 3: so I literally had the process, you know, really just
Speaker 3: trying to learn the position, learned to be a receiver
Speaker 3: because I wasn't playing at a small school. You don't
Speaker 3: play the Power five school. You don't play that tough,
Speaker 3: stiff competition. I didn't play against a lot of dbs
Speaker 3: that came up and pressed because my ability it wasn't
Speaker 3: like right, it wasn't like that to even do that.
Speaker 3: So these are things that I had to learn early
Speaker 3: on in training camp, as well as becoming knowledgeable about
Speaker 3: the playbook.
Speaker 2: And then my coaches.
Speaker 3: I had my first two years, by well my first
Speaker 3: year I had two well my first eight years with
Speaker 3: San Francisco, I had two black coaches. Larry Kirksey, who
Speaker 3: coached the Jerry Rice and the John Taylor's and the
Speaker 3: Charrars and they sinew and he coach dam and then
Speaker 3: he ended up coaching me as well in JJ Stokes.
Speaker 2: JJ Stokes was really draft YEP ninety five.
Speaker 3: They drafted him to be what I did, you know
Speaker 3: with the following following over Jerry and so I just
Speaker 3: had to learn everything, Bro, I was.
Speaker 2: I was wrong. I was green.
Speaker 3: That's that's the only way, uh, the way to put it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But I worked to try
Speaker 3: to figure it out.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I knew that I was I wasn't where I wanted
Speaker 3: to be, where I needed to be those first three
Speaker 3: years or so. It clicked probably like that after my
Speaker 3: third year, yeah, going to my fourth year in the league.
Speaker 2: But when I saw, like Ko, we have one on ones,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You know there's a period you have one on one
Speaker 3: as you go against the DB's and whatever.
Speaker 2: So obviously I would go against the regular dbs.
Speaker 3: When I saw some of the safetiests wanted to get
Speaker 3: into some of the action played me one on one.
Speaker 3: Like Bro, I knew that I wasn't that guy. They
Speaker 3: thought it was funny because we you don't watch film
Speaker 3: just like we gonna watch fim. After practice of the
Speaker 3: one on one, I was getting hemmed up left and right,
Speaker 3: Tyron Drapick, Drakeford Pop, all those guys, Steve Israel, all
Speaker 3: these guys, like I said, and then Tim McDonald, Merton Hanks,
Speaker 3: the Safeties started coming out to check me one on one.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, this is disrespectful. And we got in
Speaker 3: the film and it.
Speaker 2: Was it was tough for me. It was tough film
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 3: And I saw like man Coach would watch it got
Speaker 3: to a point, like a couple of days of it,
Speaker 3: he would just go right by me because I wasn't
Speaker 3: doing anything. So for me it was embarrassing because I'm
Speaker 3: watching Jered run his routes, you know, Mike Harris running
Speaker 3: his routes. JJ, I mean, smooth transition in and out.
Speaker 3: I'm just getting hemmed up. It was a struggle. Not
Speaker 3: every time, but it was a struggle. So that's where
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, let me see how I can get better.
Speaker 3: Or I started working with the martial arts guy George
Speaker 3: Chunk every day after practice with the hands. Then I
Speaker 3: started doing the footwork. Then I started looking at other receivers,
Speaker 3: I started looking at the slot guy. I started reallying like, man,
Speaker 3: the guys that are being drafted, free aged that are
Speaker 3: coming in on our team is a reason why they're here.
Speaker 3: If they're not playing outside, they're playing inside for a reason.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, I want to be like Jerry, but
Speaker 3: I want to be more than Jered because I had
Speaker 3: the physical side. I had something that he really didn't have,
Speaker 3: and that was size. And I'm like me and if
Speaker 3: I can incorporate his feet, how he his escapability, how
Speaker 3: he transitioned in and out of his route, If I
Speaker 3: can do that, add that to my game, bro, it
Speaker 3: could be it could be a game changer. But it
Speaker 3: was to my my One day, my coach pulled me
Speaker 3: to the side. And this is a sign of a
Speaker 3: good coach. He saw I was struggling. You know, he
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna dog and with it. He pulled me to
Speaker 3: the side. He said, Yo, don't you like basketball? He
Speaker 3: knew I loved basketball. Out of my eight my years
Speaker 3: in playing football, I never trained football stuff ever. In
Speaker 3: one time is when I when I got traded to
Speaker 3: went to the Eagles, and he wanted.
Speaker 2: Donovan the words to come to Arizona to work out.
Speaker 3: So that's all I did, was who So my coach
Speaker 3: knew that about me, He knew I played in college.
Speaker 3: He said, Yo, don't you like basketball? And I said yes, sir,
Speaker 3: And he said, look, he said, you're struggling. He said,
Speaker 3: when you're when a defense did the d back of
Speaker 3: the cornerback is in front of you. He said, all
Speaker 3: it is is one to one. It's like you're playing
Speaker 3: basketball and you're trying to get by that defender to.
Speaker 2: Get to the hoop. Sack. Man, it clicks. Boy, if
Speaker 2: this was a cartoon, it would be a white Bullok.
Speaker 2: We go off from the top of my first there
Speaker 2: was just bricks up there.
Speaker 3: Fact fast bro. Once he told me that it clicked
Speaker 3: for me, I'm like, man, all I need I just
Speaker 3: need to get them out of the box, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Go one way they go and you go the other ways.
Speaker 3: But then, like I said, you can't hang your hat
Speaker 3: on that because now you got to elevate your game
Speaker 3: like that. The good defender, they may stop that. You
Speaker 3: gotta have a plan. B. They just they stopped playing. B.
Speaker 3: You gotta go to play and see that's all gotta
Speaker 3: happen within four seconds, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: I had to eventually progressively get better with that every day.
Speaker 3: And I started doing that after practice every day, started
Speaker 3: catching ball more balls every day, because like I was wrong,
Speaker 3: I was green, you know what I mean. I said
Speaker 3: I wasn't a top pick. I didn't come in like
Speaker 3: I alluded to early with Randy straight out of college
Speaker 3: right into the line.
Speaker 2: He was that guy.
Speaker 3: I wasn't him.
Speaker 2: This was caming makes. We would have gave him about
Speaker 2: three or four pall.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I know, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: If they would have gave me a book like that
Speaker 5: when I got drafted over, I would have given it
Speaker 5: back to him.
Speaker 2: But this is why I'm playing sports. I don't have
Speaker 2: to read. This is gonna make sense, right, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: playing sports. I don't have to read this year Steve Young?
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. What was one of my favorite quarterbacks? Again?
Speaker 2: He played for my favorite team. What was his What
Speaker 2: was he like? I mean, he was someone who was
Speaker 2: crazy journey to get to where he was at to
Speaker 2: become one of the greatest efforts. What was he like
Speaker 2: as a person? He was? I mean, he was a
Speaker 2: good person.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean obviously, like I said, going
Speaker 3: there playing on the team really kind of full of stars.
Speaker 3: They had won the championship a couple of years prior
Speaker 3: to think ninety four was the last championship they had.
Speaker 2: And so me just come from Chatanoo, small school, small town,
Speaker 2: playing with you know, some of some some.
Speaker 3: Of the the very people that won championships and may
Speaker 3: Semprus the franchise that it has.
Speaker 2: It was it was. It was like I said, it was
Speaker 2: a learning thing.
Speaker 3: Because I said, I never had been thrown football with
Speaker 3: you know, uh from a left hander. So those are
Speaker 3: things that I had to get adjusted to as well,
Speaker 3: you know, catching from a right hander because the ball
Speaker 3: sped is different, hit the hand differently. Really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: So even like I said, early on, like I said,
Speaker 3: I wasn't really working with the ones a lot, Jerry
Speaker 3: and all those guys, the guys that was playing, they
Speaker 3: they were working the rest with Steve. And then once
Speaker 3: I started kind of you know, work my way to
Speaker 3: where I would be on the field with him, I
Speaker 3: could tell, like the balls spun a little different. I
Speaker 3: had to get used to it coming to me, approaching
Speaker 3: me a little different. But when thinking about him, I
Speaker 3: wish I could have had him or really a majority
Speaker 3: of my career. Out of the eight years of San Francisco,
Speaker 3: I only had him for three years. So yeah, when
Speaker 3: I didn't, Yeah, when I really was trying to found myself,
Speaker 3: he was gone. Socia Garcia, we had bro We had Garcia,
Speaker 3: Tim Rita, Jim Mooney called Kamarazi, Elvis Gerbat was there.
Speaker 3: We drafted no consistency, Yeah, we had we drafted Jim
Speaker 3: drug Miller. Played with a number of quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, uh, throughout that throughout my years in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: But that's why I ranked myself where I do because
Speaker 3: if I would have had a solid, legitimate quarterback for
Speaker 3: like the tenure, throughout the tenure of my career, at
Speaker 3: least eight to ten of those years, proditional tell him
Speaker 3: what I would have done.
Speaker 2: But I adjusted my game to every quarterback.
Speaker 3: And people don't give me the credit that I do
Speaker 3: that I need because I was aware that I needed
Speaker 3: to change my game. And offense has changed, changed our
Speaker 3: offense based on the quarterback. But for me, I saw
Speaker 3: the limitations with some of our quarterbacks, like a Jeff Garcia,
Speaker 3: because he wasn't a stand in the pocket passer. He
Speaker 3: wasn't the strong arm guy like Steve on backuld throw
Speaker 3: the ball sixty seven yards down the field. That's why
Speaker 3: nobody really knew about my speed till I got till
Speaker 3: I got to feel it. They saw glimpses of what
Speaker 3: I could do, because the West Coast offense is predicated
Speaker 3: on precision and timey slants short, underneath, intermediate, then take
Speaker 3: it to the take a distance. They saw that, but
Speaker 3: then they really saw me take really do what Randy
Speaker 3: was doing. They didn't see that till I got to
Speaker 3: till I got to feel it. And that's where I
Speaker 3: had to adjust my game really kind of with every
Speaker 3: quarterback that I played, and then with the West Coast offense,
Speaker 3: they called something scramble drill. You know what I mean
Speaker 3: when players break down where you are in relationship to
Speaker 3: the quarterback.
Speaker 2: You know, I call it NYA.
Speaker 3: Make yourself available, You find what a quarterback is, You
Speaker 3: get into his visit because if they're under the rest,
Speaker 3: they're trying to get that ball out out of their hands.
Speaker 3: And so for me, when I understood what I could
Speaker 3: do once I got the ball in my hand, I
Speaker 3: made sure they saw he saw eighty one and when
Speaker 3: I got my hands on the ball, I did what
Speaker 3: I did, and like I said, I progressively got Vetter's receiver,
Speaker 3: you know, throughout my you know, throughout the course of
Speaker 3: my years in San Francisco. But I wish I could
Speaker 3: have played. I mean, you think about Jerry. Jerry had
Speaker 3: no drop off in really countable for quarterbacks. He went
Speaker 3: from Montana, a Hall of famer, to another Hall of
Speaker 3: Famer in Steve Young, and just think about the number
Speaker 3: of yards and the touchdowns and the things that he
Speaker 3: amassed playing.
Speaker 2: With those two quarterbacks back to back.
Speaker 3: I didn't have that, but I accumulated a lot of
Speaker 3: things because I realized when I started, my coaches helped
Speaker 3: push me to believe and see what I could be.
Speaker 3: And here I am Hall of Famer today, you know
Speaker 3: because of that. And I honestly, like I give a
Speaker 3: lot of credit to those coaches, even from Saint fran
Speaker 3: from Larry Kersey, George Stewart, went to Philly, David Cully
Speaker 3: and my other black receiver coach, Ray Sherman, when I
Speaker 3: was in when I was in Dallas, those guys, like
Speaker 3: I said, some of the things, Yeah, and every team
Speaker 3: that I played, those every team that I played on, Bro,
Speaker 3: I falled out, you know what I mean? And I attributed,
Speaker 3: like I said, the lack of a father in my household.
Speaker 3: They were like my dad's you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They pulled me and when all the things that were
Speaker 3: going on, when ESPN was bashing me about things, when
Speaker 3: you had former players that were going into the booths,
Speaker 3: you know, commentating, saying and compounding things that they thought,
Speaker 3: and they heard about me about.
Speaker 2: Who I was the person that's the player.
Speaker 3: My coaches pulled me into We had those private conversations
Speaker 3: and they told me, Bro, you're not doing nothing wrong
Speaker 3: just because I was outspoken, because I was honest.
Speaker 2: That's how I was raised. Yeah, but that's how I
Speaker 2: was raised, Bro, what's wrong with that? Now?
Speaker 3: Those things that was I was heavily criticized for Villa
Speaker 3: five wards to norm It's being embraced now even with
Speaker 3: the touchdown celebrations, Bro, all the things everything that everybody
Speaker 3: really attacked my.
Speaker 2: Karen, We're gonna get to your antics because you definitely
Speaker 2: have some. Man, Hey, I was creative. I was creative,
Speaker 2: like I creative. Absolutely, you joined the Eagles, you guys
Speaker 2: end up hitting the super Bowl in five, You're coming
Speaker 2: off a broken leg. I remember you come back and
Speaker 2: play this game and nine catches one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: two yards. I mean, what was your mental that day?
Speaker 2: How you felt after? I felt fired after honestly I said,
Speaker 2: I scared for you. Ah yeah, rynter roths Loo like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be remiss not to mention this because
Speaker 3: my grandmother, like I said, growing up in her household
Speaker 3: with the church, you know what I mean, she taught
Speaker 3: me about believing in God, having faith, you know, And
Speaker 3: that's obviously what I hung my hat on when I
Speaker 3: had so many naysayers and detractors and doubters that said,
Speaker 3: and even the doctors that my doctor that performed the surgery,
Speaker 3: he didn't even medically clear me to play in the game.
Speaker 3: I had to sign a waiver to play in the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. So yeah, exactly if it would have been
Speaker 3: a liabuilding, he didn't even believe what he had seen
Speaker 3: within those six and a half we leading up to.
Speaker 2: The Super So break that down, not to cut SHO off. So,
Speaker 2: so you broke your leg, at what point Sol came back?
Speaker 2: And so mid December early to mid December, we had
Speaker 2: two or three games left to go in the season.
Speaker 2: I called her.
Speaker 3: I caught her route and I was getting ready to
Speaker 3: go around the defense and Roy grabbed me by my
Speaker 3: shoulder pulled me down.
Speaker 2: And when I when I went down, I heard a pop,
Speaker 2: Like I heard a pop. Wis yeah, Roy Williams, he
Speaker 2: was a yeah.
Speaker 3: He was a safe thing where the Cowboys at the time,
Speaker 3: I was with the Eagles, And so when I went down,
Speaker 3: I heard a loud pop. When I laid down, I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's like I broke my ankle. That's that's how That's
Speaker 3: how bad it felt. So Rick, the training came out.
Speaker 3: He goes, what's wrong.
Speaker 2: What are you feeling?
Speaker 3: I said, Rick, I think I broke my acle And
Speaker 3: so he started doing some little tests and that the
Speaker 3: other and so he's like, he's signaled to the tunnel
Speaker 3: for the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not going. I'm not.
Speaker 3: That's just that that mentality, that toughness that I had,
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not going to go off on the cart.
Speaker 3: So literally I walked all the way to the side
Speaker 3: to help me to the guys helped me to the sideline.
Speaker 3: Then I walked to walked to the tunnel and when
Speaker 3: I got in that tunnel bo I broke down.
Speaker 2: Man, she hurt. So got a next ray. They really
Speaker 2: didn't see anything. So the next day I got an MRI.
Speaker 3: The MRI was took for my anchor because that's where
Speaker 3: all the pain was, and so I'll say the imaging.
Speaker 2: When I got there, the radiologists asked me kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, what are you feeling? Where's the pain?
Speaker 3: So that night I had my leg elevated all night,
Speaker 3: I slept on the couch and at night so I
Speaker 3: had ice here, ice there, and it was just robbing.
Speaker 2: It was robbing.
Speaker 3: So I got there and I was like, man, I
Speaker 3: told the trainer and the radular the dude, I said,
Speaker 3: I said, I was in mad pain. I said this,
Speaker 3: I said, up up by my knee. I said, it's
Speaker 3: hurting real bad. So he was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 3: We're just scanned the whole leg. And that's when they
Speaker 3: found out that I had fractured my fibula. And in
Speaker 3: addition to the MRI images, it's like yo, they said yo.
Speaker 3: And then I had a high severe Cindis moosa spray,
Speaker 3: so I to all the ligaments over here. And then
Speaker 3: one day when they went in for surgery they found
Speaker 3: out that I had snapped my del toy leaguing too.
Speaker 3: So I had they going in looked at I wonder
Speaker 3: I would have had another surgery if they didn't see that.
Speaker 3: So that was part of what the pop that I heard,
Speaker 3: in addition to the break at the same time, because
Speaker 3: it all kind of happened simultaneously.
Speaker 2: So I played with two screws at the surgery. I
Speaker 2: had two screws and.
Speaker 3: The plate really couldn't do anything about the fracture. They
Speaker 3: said they just had to heal. And so then yeah,
Speaker 3: and so, like I said, it was six and a half,
Speaker 3: seven weeks to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So when I came back.
Speaker 7: From them from from the doctor from Baltimore, I was
Speaker 7: in a limo and then I had an interview with
Speaker 7: one of the local radio stations there and they asked
Speaker 7: me about the surgery, how everything, how I felt, and
Speaker 7: then asked me, you know, do I did I think
Speaker 7: I would be ready for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3: And I told him I was honest. I said, yo,
Speaker 3: I said, if they make it to that super Bowl,
Speaker 3: I said, I'll be ready. But that was the faith
Speaker 3: that I had in myself and the things that have
Speaker 3: leading up to that how I took care of my
Speaker 3: body because I didn't get a personal trainer until like
Speaker 3: after my third year. So from year four to like
Speaker 3: now this is five years later. These are the types
Speaker 3: of things, like I said, that allow and enable me
Speaker 3: to recover as fast as I did. And I did
Speaker 3: other things too from Michael Current. I took something obviously
Speaker 3: for the tissue, the car list, things of that nature.
Speaker 3: H and I slept in the hyperbarrier chamber. I was
Speaker 3: doing those cutting yeads things before people even knew about them.
Speaker 3: But I had the team of people who I trained
Speaker 3: with in in in the off season because I lived
Speaker 3: in Atlanta at the time. Those are the people that,
Speaker 3: like I said, I Larry had everybody live with me,
Speaker 3: stay stay at my house. Those six and a half
Speaker 3: we used to living up to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So how long were you supposed to be out?
Speaker 3: Probably three four months at least four months six and
Speaker 3: half season had some weeks yep. And that said the
Speaker 3: only thing that bothered me because they wanted some extra
Speaker 3: protecting I didn't. I never take my ankles, probably like
Speaker 3: the probably after my probably second or third year in
Speaker 3: the league, because I would practice without tape. But then
Speaker 3: guys would tape on, so I was like, man, if
Speaker 3: I'm practicing without on tape, I can play. So I
Speaker 3: never really taped my ankles. So got ready to play
Speaker 3: in the game and they wanted some exprotection for that.
Speaker 3: I tried to go out, so I did my my
Speaker 3: main lower routine. So when I came to the tunnel,
Speaker 3: it was cameras everybody.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I started to run. Dude, that tape was killing me.
Speaker 2: I don't really, I.
Speaker 3: Can't remember if I took a labor if I got
Speaker 3: half weight on the minit I got to go back in.
Speaker 2: Went back in.
Speaker 3: I told Rick, I said, Rick, this is too painful.
Speaker 3: He said, all right, cool, it's cut it off. And
Speaker 3: then I went back out to work out, run, do
Speaker 3: my low routine and then I started feeling pain up
Speaker 3: here and that was where the break was. So when
Speaker 3: I went back in, he explained to me, he goes, yo,
Speaker 3: it's probably not fully healed yet. And he said because
Speaker 3: of weight distribution, that when you when people don't notice,
Speaker 3: but when they when you walk, your bones naturally spread
Speaker 3: a little bit when you walk because of weight distribution.
Speaker 3: So he said that where you're feeling is because you're
Speaker 3: running and that weight dis it's stressing, its stressing the break.
Speaker 3: So what we did was he rolled my stuff down.
Speaker 3: He basically got some tape and he taped it this
Speaker 3: type as he could around the break so it wouldn't
Speaker 3: spread as much.
Speaker 2: And so that helped. And then I took a toward
Speaker 2: doll thanks some toward all pills just to kind of minimize,
Speaker 2: you know, some of the pain.
Speaker 3: I took that before, Boy, minimize some of the pain.
Speaker 3: But I mean, you got all these tattoos and just
Speaker 3: standing there sit down for hours.
Speaker 2: So mean, no, no, I'm talking about that. I took
Speaker 2: the toward off shot and how amazing it was. I
Speaker 2: couldn't my arm. And then I was playing in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hour later. Yeah, he wasn't paying after the game. No, No,
Speaker 2: I really was. I wasn't, And Bro, I was so
Speaker 2: focused on what I said.
Speaker 5: Yeah I was.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm a god fearing god. Bro, No, you're
Speaker 2: gonna crash, you go, you gonna eventually come down. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But it was, like I said, I didn't take a
Speaker 3: lot of things off because I felt good, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: I literally I trusted the rehab. We went into an
Speaker 2: aggressive rehabs.
Speaker 3: Soon as I got back from Baltimore, I thought, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: they're gonna let me rest up for me a few
Speaker 3: days week. Bro. The next day we went to rehab
Speaker 3: and they had the confidence that I could do it
Speaker 3: because they had seen me work, they had seen me practice,
Speaker 3: they saw him on an everyday basis. They saw what
Speaker 3: I brought to the team, you know, I mean that energy.
Speaker 3: And he was just like, and why my approach to
Speaker 3: the game every day. So they're like, yo, we're going
Speaker 3: to attack.
Speaker 2: This like you with us. We said we we with you,
Speaker 2: I with you, you with GM. I broke myself. I
Speaker 2: cut my foot off at the area. What was it?
Speaker 5: What was it like playing for the best team everyen
Speaker 5: put in the NFL history? Cut down kind man?
Speaker 3: It was Uh it was good man again, like I
Speaker 3: said things and didn't go well and uh in Philly
Speaker 3: for obvious reasons, and I had an opportunity.
Speaker 2: I'll say that was a free agent. Uh. Jerry felt
Speaker 2: like I was one of those guys that I said,
Speaker 2: like I said, you had had a guy in Michael Irvin.
Speaker 3: Uh, we had a colorful personality, what have you? Obviously
Speaker 3: that was the stigma of the thing about me, uh
Speaker 3: is that you know, I was that guy. But again
Speaker 3: and my play, like I said, they couldn't deny that,
Speaker 3: And so I brought that to uh to the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: and again I bought out you know, for three years
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 2: So again it was like, you know, I never really.
Speaker 3: Envisioned uh playing for them, like I said, I was
Speaker 3: when I was in San Francisco. End up, I stood
Speaker 3: on the Star. Uh that they saw a lot of people,
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of the cowboy They didn't
Speaker 3: like it. Yeah, but then once I saw they saw
Speaker 3: me on the field and I'm winning games for him. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly the lord he did. Ro tried to take your
Speaker 3: head off. Are you read when you went to the Star?
Speaker 2: That was George t Yeah, that was George Tea.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. But like I said, man, it was it
Speaker 3: was an opportunity. Again, like I said, I took full
Speaker 3: advantage of it. And I think I said with my career, Bros,
Speaker 3: like you can't deny like I said, when I talk
Speaker 3: about desired dedication to discipline, Bro, I took it everywhere
Speaker 3: that I went.
Speaker 2: Bro. I live by that.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, and I didn't really think about
Speaker 3: it at that time. But the things that made me
Speaker 3: to a receiver, I brought that same package, even though
Speaker 3: the package on the house side, the.
Speaker 2: Rapping was different. What was on the inside, yeah that
Speaker 2: what was on the inside never changed. So I brought that.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean when people talk about complete receiver.
Speaker 3: That's why I say that I'm two behind Jerry because,
Speaker 3: like I said, we've me and ran and we talked
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Like he played when he wanted to. You know, he
Speaker 2: did a certain things. But again, like I said, it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: who do you want? You know what I mean? I
Speaker 2: had those disrespectful games. I guess us, was you a
Speaker 2: ring y'all? Destroyed?
Speaker 3: Is hey?
Speaker 2: Like I said, that's why we That's why we we
Speaker 2: were mentioned top three for best of the best. But
Speaker 2: what we did got a relationship with Jerry? No, not
Speaker 2: really not I'm feeling no.
Speaker 3: I mean he backdoored me after I had signed a
Speaker 3: UH deal Crazy two thousand and nine, Crazy and.
Speaker 2: Yo Ol six, the whole nine I had.
Speaker 3: But it was my three years after that third year,
Speaker 3: Jery called me going into the off season standing my
Speaker 3: contract had four years from the five million dollars deal
Speaker 3: and Then two months after that, he flew the Slaughter,
Speaker 3: him and Stephen Jones and my agent. They had some
Speaker 3: owners meeting or whatever they called. My agent he called
Speaker 3: me like, yo, he want to meet with us. I'm
Speaker 3: thinking it's like this is the year right before they
Speaker 3: played in the new stadium. So right after after the season,
Speaker 3: he had already asked me, like, what do we need
Speaker 3: to get over the help? What do we need to
Speaker 3: do to compete for a championship?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Me looked at him calling me, I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is good. I'm looking at me as a veteran, you know,
Speaker 3: a post of what we can do offensively.
Speaker 2: So I told him that.
Speaker 3: Then, like I said, fast forward, a couple of months later,
Speaker 3: he advites us to Fort Lauderdale.
Speaker 2: We go into some hotel. We went in the back.
Speaker 3: It was started, the restaurant was closed. We were sitting
Speaker 3: at this table. It was a cloth on the table,
Speaker 3: and so it was Jerry Steven and then my two agents,
Speaker 3: and so he started rambling us, talking about you know,
Speaker 3: the organization, things of that nature.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Then he was mentioning something about me. And then as
Speaker 3: he was doing it, every time that he mentioned something
Speaker 3: about the Dallas Cowboys. You know, he would put something
Speaker 3: about Dallas Cowboys over here when he mentioned something about me,
Speaker 3: and he would put t o over here, Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 3: over here. He was mentioning all these things, you know,
Speaker 3: their approach and this, that and the other what I
Speaker 3: brought to the team. And then he had a pin
Speaker 3: writing all this. And then in between all this writing,
Speaker 3: he did a line and he said, we got to
Speaker 3: part ways. Bro. I was I looked around, I'm like
Speaker 3: my agent looking at meaning, I'm looking at him like
Speaker 3: what's going on? And then Drew I think I recalled
Speaker 3: Drew saying are you are you serious?
Speaker 2: Like what do you mean?
Speaker 3: But that's that's how that's how I was cut from
Speaker 3: from from the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: He borderline, I don't know. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: borderline was. I didn't want it. I was hoping you'll
Speaker 2: figure out that. I have to say the other one
Speaker 2: corterline race, I don't.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think everybody can speculate, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: sad right again.
Speaker 3: You can speculate that, or like you said, you articulate
Speaker 3: things to make you think certain things. But I think
Speaker 3: there has been instances where if that was or if
Speaker 3: you think that he was racist. He could because it
Speaker 3: came out of his mouth, right, he could have come
Speaker 3: out and said certain things. You know, there's things that
Speaker 3: have happened since the George Force thing where again he
Speaker 3: told you know, some of this player, if you do this,
Speaker 3: you're not.
Speaker 2: Gonna be on the team. You know, when guys wanted
Speaker 2: to kind of be in solidarity with the cause and
Speaker 2: he prevented them from doing that.
Speaker 3: He suppressed them. Yeah, I mean, you know, they didn't
Speaker 3: have a voice when they wanted to have a voice.
Speaker 3: So again, could he be Yeah, just because you do
Speaker 3: some some great things, or you do some stuff for
Speaker 3: some people that have played you and played for you
Speaker 3: and warn you some championship, that doesn't make you not
Speaker 3: a racist.
Speaker 2: I don't. But he hasn't really done anything with them.
Speaker 2: They earned that much, I get. But there are gonna
Speaker 2: be some players.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be players that obviously are going to be
Speaker 3: advocates for him because of what they what they what
Speaker 3: he's done for them, you know, I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 3: think about the micro urbans, the image sperienced and guys
Speaker 3: like that that they're going to stand on his stand
Speaker 3: on his back because of he's probably helped them out
Speaker 3: in certain situations.
Speaker 2: He helped them out right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So so yeah, so yeah, I would, I would. I
Speaker 2: would probably need more to say he is than he's not. Yeah. Fact,
Speaker 2: you were in a time where social media, well when
Speaker 2: when you were at your greatest, didn't really exist.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: If they did, some of your celebrations obviously would have
Speaker 2: been viral. Go through some of your celebrations and just
Speaker 2: what was going through your mind when it happened, And
Speaker 2: won't start with the one that did Jack likes the most.
Speaker 2: When you had the test down and you just spread
Speaker 2: it from one side, stood on the star in two
Speaker 2: thousand against the Cowboys. Oh you know your mind right there?
Speaker 2: We travel Did you do it twice? Yeah? Did it twice?
Speaker 2: So we traveled the day before the game to go in.
Speaker 3: You know, you go through walkthroughs, you go through the
Speaker 3: plays before the day of the game, and you know
Speaker 3: for forty thirty forty minute workout, you know, just walk
Speaker 3: through the plays. And then so before we get back
Speaker 3: on the bus, well you know whatever grouping receivers running
Speaker 3: backs over.
Speaker 2: Everybody gets in the group, and we just happened to
Speaker 2: be in the middle of the start. We didn't. I
Speaker 2: didn't think anything of it. So my coach, like I said,
Speaker 2: he knew that I'm I'm one of the guys like
Speaker 2: the offense kind of goes through me, like if I
Speaker 2: go to, the offense goes So you know, this is
Speaker 2: a at a time like, Okay, I know I'm that guy, and.
Speaker 3: So I knew I was going to score, you know,
Speaker 3: at some point. And so you know the we was
Speaker 3: that Dallas, the Texas Stadium with the hole in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 3: at that time. And so you know obviously that the
Speaker 3: I guess the story behind the whole in the Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it said it's in Dallas. Yeah, the hold in the
Speaker 3: rugs because God can look down on America's team. So
Speaker 3: he basically told me, hey, it.
Speaker 2: Was a round. I said. Everybody said that. The coaches
Speaker 2: know it, and everybody it's we we gott to be
Speaker 2: doubt as fucked the Cowboys from RS exactly. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's in the comferentce too. It's the end the CEA East. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So he's like, yo, tomorrow,
Speaker 2: so look at Jack. I can't like that. So it's like,
Speaker 2: uh so it's like you know, he's like yo, tea.
Speaker 3: Showing who who you know, who God gonna be looking
Speaker 3: down on tomorrow, not just America's team, Like, hey, you
Speaker 3: want the gods child's kids too.
Speaker 2: So that's what I did. That's what it was. No
Speaker 2: disrespect towards.
Speaker 3: Them, you know, I'm just giving, Yeah, giving how much
Speaker 3: you know the guy that works me up every day
Speaker 3: that I brry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I did.
Speaker 3: So when you look at the actual clip, I went
Speaker 3: straight there.
Speaker 2: That's all I did. I did. I wasn't looking at them,
Speaker 2: no nothing, look greight up. I didn't know like that
Speaker 2: dude was burrowing down on him. And then he hit me.
Speaker 2: And then, like you know, people they exaggerate things. He
Speaker 2: knocked you.
Speaker 3: He closed like, bro, he with it will speed. And
Speaker 3: then even with that, bro, I've taken hits harder than
Speaker 3: that during the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so uh so, yeah I did it, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? And then uh so after that, you know,
Speaker 3: my coach didn't say anything. Head coach didn't say anything
Speaker 3: about it, no nothing. This is why I don't really
Speaker 3: deal with coach Mary or she because he didn't even
Speaker 3: have my back even after this game. So I did
Speaker 3: it the second time that's when Emmy Smith, well Emmer
Speaker 3: Smith did it after I did it, and then the
Speaker 3: second time I did it. You know, it was obviously
Speaker 3: he got in retaliation because they couldn't stop me. So
Speaker 3: after that, you know, also go back the games that
Speaker 3: we won and then Mary she suspended me like that.
Speaker 3: During that week he he came and then they rupt you.
Speaker 3: He suspended me. The league didn't suspend me nothing. It
Speaker 3: was so media, so much media and hype. Like you said,
Speaker 3: it would have gone viral. It wasn't crazy, So the
Speaker 3: league didn't suspend me. He was so pressured from the
Speaker 3: outside that he felt like he needed to do so.
Speaker 3: It's almost like the hit on on on Travis with
Speaker 3: it with the guy that the the.
Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It was so much he talking about Henry Blackbirds like
Speaker 3: his coaches felt pressure. He would have suspending it. That's
Speaker 3: what my coach did to me. He didn't have to,
Speaker 3: but that let me know that he didn't have my
Speaker 3: back and our relationship it went.
Speaker 2: Down to drain after that popcorn.
Speaker 3: It was improper to I didn't I scored the touchdown
Speaker 3: and the dude was in the back of the end
Speaker 3: zone with the popcorn thing. So I just got it,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was hungry Jack, you know, I just said I
Speaker 2: was served. You know what I was just I was
Speaker 2: chat man, I was putting Yeah when you when you
Speaker 2: when I.
Speaker 3: Go to the movies, that's why excuse to eat popcorn,
Speaker 3: because it's entertainment. I realized at this point in time, like, Bro,
Speaker 3: I'm putting on a show. I mean, it's not only
Speaker 3: just me playing, and I'm I'm doing what I need
Speaker 3: to do for person goal, team goals. But I'm starting
Speaker 3: to realize now, like bro, people would come to see
Speaker 3: eighty one, you know. I mean then I started like
Speaker 3: it was on ESPN and like that and that, like
Speaker 3: what is he gonna do next? So I started to
Speaker 3: try to do things to kind of one up myself.
Speaker 3: So everything is not calculated, right, Like with that, it
Speaker 3: was just imprompt too, Like I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't propping back there yo, he persisting him back there
Speaker 3: with the popcorn.
Speaker 2: I'm like, let's get it yo in your sock though.
Speaker 2: That that was that was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was that was it. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: just impromptu. Bro.
Speaker 2: It's the feeling of going.
Speaker 5: To the game.
Speaker 2: You worry about what I would do because I know
Speaker 2: I'm a score when I get that.
Speaker 3: Then at that time going against a guy like showing
Speaker 3: spray like again, Ohio, sate me, you teach chat knew
Speaker 3: hm you.
Speaker 2: Look at that message like who's gonna get the best?
Speaker 6: Who?
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's it's the players to watch, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean for the week.
Speaker 2: So I figured he let me let me do what
Speaker 2: I do, you know, I mean, So that's what I did.
Speaker 3: I scored and then like I said, I signed the thing.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I just I didn't even think too
Speaker 3: much about it. It was like during right before the series,
Speaker 3: I asked the trainer, you know, for for sharpish and
Speaker 3: he was like he thought I was gonna mark out something.
Speaker 2: Give it back, y'all you're good. He didn't know.
Speaker 3: I just put it in my socking. In the next series,
Speaker 3: I go out you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cheerleaders.
Speaker 3: It was just spurred them on, you know, I mean
Speaker 3: head prompt too. I scored a drag dude into their zone.
Speaker 2: Yo, mad. So I'm like, I didn't have nothing plan.
Speaker 2: So I just saw those cheerleaders and I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: let me just get in on there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So again that's just that's just me like saying this
Speaker 2: just timmans you thought about doing but then reconsider nah man,
Speaker 2: like I did a number thing bro.
Speaker 3: Then, like I said, even with me starting to become
Speaker 3: so popular with the touchdown celebrations, then the NFL started
Speaker 3: to intervene, like telling us what we couldn't do and
Speaker 3: things of that nature like and then Chad on my
Speaker 3: my homie O Yo Sinko, he was in Cincinnati doing
Speaker 3: his thing, and then it was just like it became
Speaker 3: a competition. I didn't really know Chad at that time,
Speaker 3: so it became a competition like O who was gonna
Speaker 3: one up each other?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 3: But I just did it for creativity and at the
Speaker 3: same time, it was motivation for me to get into
Speaker 3: the end zone because I know if I'm doing what
Speaker 3: I'm doing and I'm scoring, we got we can win,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So that's that's how that's how,
Speaker 3: that's how I used my that added motivation. Like I said,
Speaker 3: we all are required to do something. The better our
Speaker 3: skill set, the better I you know, to help better
Speaker 3: personally and then as a player.
Speaker 2: But you know, for me, I just knew that I'm
Speaker 2: like Okay, if I get my hands on the ball, and.
Speaker 3: The more times I'm more involved and I'm in the
Speaker 3: end zone, it increases our chance of winning.
Speaker 2: With the NBA crack down on our pregame sh oh man,
Speaker 2: so bam, let me go and break it down for
Speaker 2: a lot of people that don't know game. So bam.
Speaker 5: So I just you know, having the incident I shot
Speaker 5: the strip club, I burnt out when y'all hit you know,
Speaker 5: by car and all that. So bam, I get suspended
Speaker 5: seven games soon as I get traded to Golden State.
Speaker 2: Okay, so my.
Speaker 5: Burnout teammate right here once come up with a handshake
Speaker 5: where I slap everybody, and when I get to him,
Speaker 5: I put my hands up, but he patted me down.
Speaker 6: But he certain we need this like two or three times,
Speaker 6: a stern call like hemn no wet even be doing
Speaker 6: Dallas playoff?
Speaker 2: Wow, but for more time. But it's good. He liking
Speaker 2: the worries to speak me anyway. Yeah, guy's had a
Speaker 2: bad name already. This got on the team, right.
Speaker 3: But if you think about it, the opposite of like,
Speaker 3: you know, you're not really doing anything wrong.
Speaker 2: Having fun. Yeah you was laughing at you mad the
Speaker 2: light of a bad situation. You know what I mean. Okay,
Speaker 2: you you came out of it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because it.
Speaker 3: Could have been a part you didn't. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's almost a point you wouldn't even be
Speaker 3: there to be doing that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: All right, quick hit this first thing to come to mind.
Speaker 2: Let us know, top five receivers in the NFL today,
Speaker 2: oh tonight, it would be a top five receiver. People
Speaker 2: played overt. I don't know, they got nice today.
Speaker 3: I would say, you gotta say, Jefferson, Uh, what's the
Speaker 3: guy in Cincinnati Bingles chased? Uh, Davante Adams Uh oh yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely Tyreek Hill and uh and I say, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: put my guy DK Metcalf in there. I'm yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's yet yeah yeah, yeh prototype you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean.
Speaker 2: Which they were to get in the Jets Garrets Wilston.
Speaker 2: I mean it's early, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you look at the look at the
Speaker 3: play that he made the other night. If you think
Speaker 3: about they caught it, they could have easily lost that game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're gonna praise Zach Wilson for winning. And then obviously
Speaker 3: to walk off with is a kick return to pumper turn.
Speaker 3: But but again that was a difficult catch. He had
Speaker 3: to go across his body to make that happen. If
Speaker 3: you think about that's not an accurate throw. He made
Speaker 3: the quarterback look good in that.
Speaker 2: Situation, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So to do that then gain control by control catch it,
Speaker 3: and they needed that, you know, based on the on
Speaker 3: the heels of what it transpired, Like said, with Aaron
Speaker 3: going down, you know and four plays in that that
Speaker 3: city needed that at that time. So again, like I said, Garrett,
Speaker 3: well he's on his way. But again you can't, like
Speaker 3: I say, you can't like great recognition. But it's like
Speaker 3: a lot of guys, even with Obj that's my guy,
Speaker 3: a lot of people like, yeah, he's progressively, like he
Speaker 3: was trending, yeah, to be one of those guys, but
Speaker 3: then injury's played it a little bit. So again, Mike Gavin,
Speaker 3: I mean, but again it's one of those he's quiet,
Speaker 3: one of those quiet guys.
Speaker 2: He's massing the numbers. Even Chris God went over there.
Speaker 2: He's good as well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But you think the guys are like really making noise
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, that's really standing out, that's trending.
Speaker 2: Well, there's the top ten. Who's that.
Speaker 3: There's Bryant I don't know, and the top ten I
Speaker 3: don't know if he's in the top top of.
Speaker 2: I have to see another top of. I have to
Speaker 2: see bro. There's a lot of receivers. But I didn't
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, not this Brian. I said, this
Speaker 2: is Brian. I'm thinking, see lamb. Excuse me, oh city Lamb.
Speaker 2: He's on his way.
Speaker 3: He's trending. He's had the true JAC three is there?
Speaker 2: See hey?
Speaker 3: But again, my thing with those guys like to be
Speaker 3: a number one, you got to be a game change.
Speaker 3: You got to be a playmaker, not just a playmaker.
Speaker 3: You got to be a game changer. If you're not
Speaker 3: that for your team in that game changing situation these
Speaker 3: years that they've been on the cusp of making the playoffs,
Speaker 3: not making the playoffs, he has to be that guy
Speaker 3: when their running game wasn't where it was. You got
Speaker 3: to be that guy to change the game that they
Speaker 3: go to like yo, I can make a play, I
Speaker 3: can turn something into nothing. Granted he has the skill
Speaker 3: set and ability to do what he's doing. But do
Speaker 3: you see him as a game changer?
Speaker 2: Right? Type of player play? You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's one thing to you know, talk
Speaker 3: about being a number one, but what is being number
Speaker 3: one receiver?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 3: Like you got to be that Like, yeah, you gotta
Speaker 3: be that dog, you know what I mean, like coach
Speaker 3: dialing up plays I want. I didn't know this until
Speaker 3: I started to become who I became with, you know,
Speaker 3: underneath behind Jerry, like they had a game plan, our
Speaker 3: regular game plan. They had game plans where they had
Speaker 3: Jerry plays where they know, like in certain situations down
Speaker 3: or we go un to him and this play.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: They started doing that for me. Bro when they got
Speaker 3: rid of him, for me to feel his shoes, Bro,
Speaker 3: I knew I was hour at that point. I knew
Speaker 3: You're right, Yep.
Speaker 2: It wasn't to say it. I'm him. I don't even
Speaker 2: want to say I'm here, But I was that guy,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Because like I said, I fill some shoes everybody for
Speaker 3: the number of years that he played there, and they
Speaker 3: again they drafted JJ to do what I eventually end
Speaker 3: up doing. But I learned a lot, not only from
Speaker 3: JJ and Jerry, But I learned a lot from everybody
Speaker 3: that came every receiver that came in there, because it
Speaker 3: was something special about him. That's what made me wanted, like, man,
Speaker 3: how can I get you know, look, this little will
Speaker 3: go to my game, get you know, get away the
Speaker 3: capability I had, I had the physical part. I had
Speaker 3: to add some of the finess part to the game.
Speaker 3: Then I just it just started just building every year.
Speaker 3: Then I started doing with the smaller guys. You making
Speaker 3: guys miss catching out on them. That's what made me me.
Speaker 3: You think all teams need to be playing on grass,
Speaker 3: I mean, they're they all have is their advantages and disadvantages.
Speaker 3: Of course, like I said, you know, for running backs
Speaker 3: or like say, receivers. We feel like sometimes playing on
Speaker 3: turf makes you faster, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 3: I understand the safety part of it as well. You know,
Speaker 3: turf doesn't give like grass, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So there are some injuries that probably not probably that
Speaker 3: would have been prevented had they been played on grass
Speaker 3: as opposed to the turf. So you know, like I said, it's.
Speaker 2: Up for players.
Speaker 3: Like I said, we can say what we want, voice opinion,
Speaker 3: what we need, but it's ultimately up to the league
Speaker 3: to do what they need to do to make Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you want to talk about player safety, just you know,
Speaker 3: all all across the board.
Speaker 2: Sound track Peel like three songs. Oh man, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: He sounds. Oh man, y'all throw we went on here, boy,
Speaker 2: songs are artists. You don't want artists, man, I like, uh,
Speaker 2: I like two chains like some of this stuff. Uh
Speaker 2: uh uh Tupac.
Speaker 4: And uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah Tupap. I mean I get throw Biggie in there too. Man.
Speaker 2: If you look at it, are you wrong? Yeah, you
Speaker 2: can't do wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any of those right there. If I can find
Speaker 3: the soundtrack in some of those songs.
Speaker 8: You know, with some of those artists to go with me,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, if you could lake up
Speaker 8: with one QB with the big through your career, yeah,
Speaker 8: Joe Montanna, Like I said, just you look at.
Speaker 3: The production that Jerry Rice had with Joe. Look at
Speaker 3: his production that he had with Steve. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean he didn't have a off off really in quarterback.
Speaker 3: One was right in and one was left handed. It
Speaker 3: was nice, you know what I mean, both of them lights,
Speaker 3: both of them Hall of famers.
Speaker 2: I seen what Randy did with T Brady, I would
Speaker 2: love to see. That's what I'm saying, Bro, exactly.
Speaker 3: Like again, I understand I had to tailor my game
Speaker 3: obviously to Jeff Garcia's game, our offense tailor to Jeff
Speaker 3: Garcia's game, because he wasn't those typical pro typical quarterbacks that.
Speaker 2: We were mentioning there weren't.
Speaker 3: He wasn't a stand in the pocket presence, big arm
Speaker 3: can make every throw from from either side of the field.
Speaker 2: But again, we made it work, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I had to make it work,
Speaker 2: you know I mean.
Speaker 3: Because those are, like I said, all the quarterbacks, like
Speaker 3: I said that, you know, I know they probably wouldn't
Speaker 3: have the career.
Speaker 2: I know I wouldn't have the career that I had,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I masked the numbers
Speaker 2: that I did without a quarterback. But equally they got
Speaker 2: to say too that they.
Speaker 3: You know, if they didn't have me, they weren't able
Speaker 3: to do you know the things.
Speaker 2: That they did. Is right. I've done a guess that
Speaker 2: are alive you plus five, I'm gonna go. I go.
Speaker 4: Uh Martin Luther King Uh Obama, I go Jordan's uh
Speaker 4: I go, I go Oprah and uh.
Speaker 3: I guess about like Warren Buffett, Warren Buffett, you know
Speaker 3: somebody you know that's that's monster. Yeah, but yeah, who
Speaker 3: would you like to see on all the smoke?
Speaker 2: But before you answer that question, you have to help
Speaker 2: us get your answer. Well, I ain't missed, I ain't, mister,
Speaker 2: right back right back to older smoke. Definitely a gimmick
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, wow, who would I like to hand on
Speaker 3: older schmokes?
Speaker 2: You can remember. You gotta help us so, but you
Speaker 2: know a lot of folks, Oh man, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But the first person that came to my mind was MJ.
Speaker 3: But to get him in here in this seat, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta got Kobe in here, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it I did. I didn't text MJ.
Speaker 5: And any other text he can get to remind him
Speaker 5: that I text him to them on the show would
Speaker 5: be beneficial.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, I got a direct line. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, just tell them to check them my message. Okay, man,
Speaker 2: I tell I gotta I got it. I got it
Speaker 2: the roll now, Well, T Man, we appreciate you best
Speaker 2: of luck with everything right. This was over long, overdue.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I appreciate it, man, Yeah, man, I didn't
Speaker 3: know if it was just gonna be about this, but
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's good man. I mean it came around.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't really know how I wanted to
Speaker 3: go about it, but I know I wanted to respond
Speaker 3: and I needed a platform where, like I said, nobody's
Speaker 3: not gonna judge me down and go cut up nothing,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, so people can hear my voice.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. We just hope you know
Speaker 2: how it from me.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's y'all. Boy though, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 3: y'all you want to that's but y'all got more. I
Speaker 3: didn't hung with you. Me and them ain't never hung out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I mean you asked me hung out.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. But I mean I just say, from a standpoint,
Speaker 2: and I'm the first one of this, I haven't been
Speaker 2: in my life come from disrespect, So I get what
Speaker 2: you're saying. But I just think at this point, but
Speaker 2: it's for me, bro, It's just like the damage has
Speaker 2: been done.
Speaker 3: Bro, Like, like people are now, like I said, from
Speaker 3: going forward, like I said, you're talking about gems, nothing
Speaker 3: to call you players coaches?
Speaker 2: Like what what does that mean? Like what do you imply?
Speaker 2: Like what is that supposed to me?
Speaker 3: But he's, like I said, millions of people are hearing
Speaker 3: him say this, like there are businesses, they're come there,
Speaker 3: they're hearing him say this right.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's messing, like going out his weight right
Speaker 2: to do it right. And then I want to add
Speaker 2: this to please. But the fact that he says, I
Speaker 2: don't have no money.
Speaker 3: I don't I'm broke, this and that and the other
Speaker 3: that that further makes me want to kick his ass
Speaker 3: because if I kick his ass, you ain't got nothing get.
Speaker 3: You're giving a song. Since I ain't got nothing, you
Speaker 3: ain't got nothing to get. So all the slick words
Speaker 3: that you know, I feel that he was you know
Speaker 3: how he would to come about it If that's the
Speaker 3: casion you want to senuate to America what you think
Speaker 3: you know about me? Like again, what you said about me?
Speaker 3: What you thought you said? You're gonna expose me for
Speaker 3: bro it's public knowledge.
Speaker 5: How about this man, y'all reach out to me and
Speaker 5: Matt let us give us the bag and we'll give
Speaker 5: them in the ring.
Speaker 2: Make sure they get a bag, and then they'll be
Speaker 2: over after that.
Speaker 3: And and I'm telling you right now, I'm signing up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna. I'm signing. I'm signing. I'm signing up, Bro,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm signing. Ain't right here. We're promoting this fike
Speaker 2: right now. Already know I'm telling steven A not to
Speaker 2: sign up, Bro, already, I already know to yourself. But
Speaker 2: he's gonna try to take the high room and oh no,
Speaker 2: I'm using it unless we all see them go viral
Speaker 2: for his boxing. But I don't want to see. I know.
Speaker 2: I'm going around talking and like you, what you're saying
Speaker 2: this is going to keep that same energy, right, But
Speaker 2: you told it.
Speaker 3: You look into the camera talking about you this and
Speaker 3: you ain't scared of nobody. Bro, I'm not scared of
Speaker 3: nobody either. Promote, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: And he took his glasses off. Hey man, that's around
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