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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back season five. All the smoke. We had a

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Speaker 2: nice little break number five. This is your lucky number

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Speaker 2: back a big season four us thanks to you, I

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Speaker 2: guess mellther Green and I'm not talking about trick anyway. Man,

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Speaker 2: we have none other then our brother to yo. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show. What's up bro?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 4: They have you?

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Speaker 2: Man? Don't you buy? I got you by h Man

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, one of the greatest to ever do it.

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Speaker 2: Play for my favorite team. Uh, that's when I fell

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Speaker 2: in love with your game. Which one favorite Niners? Okay,

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Speaker 2: Niners are I'm a Niner guide. So let's talk to

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Speaker 2: us the top three greatest receivers. I put you up there,

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Speaker 2: I put Randy Moss up there. I put jer your

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Speaker 2: rights up there. Where do you rank yourself amongst that mix?

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Speaker 3: I've always asked this question and been consistent with my answer.

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Speaker 3: I would say I'm number two. When you think about,

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Speaker 3: you know, the consistency in which I played the game,

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Speaker 3: how I played the game. I played at every level,

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Speaker 2: Attributes of the game.

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Speaker 3: When you talk about blocking things of that nature, people

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Speaker 3: other things. Like I said that when I came out

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Speaker 3: So when I went to San Francisco, obviously, like I said,

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Speaker 3: Jerry's obviously is going to be number one on my list.

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Speaker 3: We have a lot of similarities in our game. We

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Speaker 2: Some kinds of things that you learned, uh from Jerry.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he's your number one receiver, a lot of our

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Speaker 3: All the responsibility of being a number one guy, some

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Speaker 3: Like I said, it's not just you know, catching the ball,

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Speaker 3: They're like, man, you may have a you know, a

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Speaker 2: Right there already mass speak to his greatness again to

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Speaker 3: Obviously a better talent than I was coming out of

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Speaker 2: What's life flight day to day now? I mean, still

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Speaker 2: Instagram running sub for five and forties, planning in Big Three? Right,

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Speaker 2: what's life like now for you?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: Just just trying to be active. You know, my kids

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Speaker 2: Know, grow grow with that. And so I love me

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Speaker 3: That's that's something that that I that I always kind

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Speaker 2: Did you have low self steak because how dark you were?

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Speaker 3: You know, like I said, I was raised by my grandmom,

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Speaker 5: Of that nature. Hurricane hit that sort of we can

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Speaker 5: get the Red Cross Hamburgers. Well, hey, so you know,

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Speaker 5: like I said, man, my my success. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's it's it's it's always a different path for everybody. Yep, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Exactly so I didn't take the honest I didn't go

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Speaker 3: that's that's that's how I am.

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00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 2: That's where I am with it.

436
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 5: Anytime as a man, though, anytime as a man you

437
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 5: feel disrespected as far as your character or your integrity,

438
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 5: you should feel a SA type of work. You know

439
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Any man should and you should respond.

440
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 5: And unless you're not a man, you know what I'm saying.

441
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 5: And and unless you don't stand on wars or respect,

442
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I'm and for me personally,

443
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 5: any anytime something that's talked about in private and it

444
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 5: shared public, it's gonna cause a problem, right like we

445
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 5: like man said, especially if it's not an understanding before that, you.

446
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. So, uh, a lot a lot

447
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 2: of things.

448
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 5: That's that from my premiere in the what Happened, I

449
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 5: feel like it could be a conversation between y'all because

450
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 5: with the media knowing this and all this stuff being out,

451
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 5: it's a lot of stuff that been said.

452
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 2: That ain't true too. You know what I'm saying, and

453
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: it's lives of it's been insinuated, right, you know what

454
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

455
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Speaker 5: Because everybody's on the outside looking in read So that's

456
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 5: why I feel y'all said down. You know what I'm saying,

457
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 5: y'all might have to get an in box for a minute,

458
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 5: so what or we can just bring some weed too,

459
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. If y'all got a box

460
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 5: one minute, they talk about that's how we do it

461
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 5: in the hood. We got disagreements with, scrap it out.

462
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying that we gonna back to

463
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 5: the stove by kid together. You know what I'm saying,

464
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 5: that that's how we grew up as men. It's gonna

465
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 5: be different. I get that, you know what I'm saying.

466
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 5: But for me, first, I feel like with all the

467
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 5: other shit around it, the being out in social media.

468
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 2: That's makes it harder for y'all to get to understanding

469
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: my person.

470
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: But to your point, and like I said, to add

471
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Speaker 3: some clarity to things like I said, and such things

472
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 3: are misleading, as if he and I and I went

473
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 3: back and somebody sent me a clip of some of

474
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 3: the things that he said, and he's like, oh, he's

475
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: not a liar, He's not this, he's not that. And

476
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: again the thing is the insinuation that you know, I'm

477
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 3: doing stuff for money. You know, like I told you,

478
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 3: I don't have the same amount of money because I

479
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: got taken. There ain't nobody business t o. But he

480
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. He made it everybody business.

481
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: Now.

482
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 3: He got people looking at me sideways. And then even

483
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 3: with the lawsuit thing, I showed you guys, he admittedly

484
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: in the text from my from our text exchange, He's like, oh,

485
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 3: I'm mistaken your your text for a tweet. Yeah, that's

486
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 3: what the attorney was referring to. He admitted that I

487
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 3: showed you guys that that's in our text conversation. I

488
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: ain't got no reason to lie about nothing, and I

489
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: ain't got nothing to hide. So for him to come

490
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 3: out initially when he saw the whole facts thing response

491
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 3: to that and somebody gonna expose me, expose me for

492
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: what I urge you to expose me. But at this

493
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: end of the day, like I said, he feels the

494
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 3: way he feels.

495
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: I feel the way I feel. Like I told you,

496
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: we're not Betty.

497
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: But I don't never have to talk to steven A

498
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Speaker 3: again in it, in my entire life.

499
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: He can sit on.

500
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: ESPN do what it use all the big words he

501
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 3: wants to to impress everybody that doesn't impress me now.

502
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 3: Like I said, he's used that platform to tear some

503
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: black athletes down, and even I'm included that you try

504
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 3: to build him up, tear him down with your words,

505
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: this and that and the other.

506
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Speaker 2: Your monologue.

507
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 3: Bro, I don't I can see past all of that.

508
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 3: But you're not finna just do it to me. A

509
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 3: lot of guys are not gonna.

510
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 5: Say anything now. I feel I feel you. I mean shit,

511
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 5: he still me up. I just the way he talked

512
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 5: about me with the brall shit. So my boy, I

513
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 5: ain't brought it up to him, but he dogged me.

514
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 5: But I didn't let it go because I'm live still.

515
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 5: But but right, but again those things right, but those things.

516
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Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm still him. Yeah right, what he

517
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: done right?

518
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: But like I said, you know, I said, I can

519
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: look at this camera just like he looks into the

520
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: camera and talk to America. And when I tell you,

521
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 3: when I'm serious about that, keep the steam that keep

522
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: that same energy, my guy, Keep that same energy. And

523
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: I put that on Alazon Black, my dude, keep that

524
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: same energy that you did with your podcast. Keep to

525
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: keep it the same.

526
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: That's all I gotta say. I think before it move one. Jack.

527
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 2: I want to come in both of us because we

528
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: both tried to try to try to go to peaceful

529
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: right and I just can't believe it and that ship

530
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 2: for us to do it, it didn't work. It's c Yeah,

531
00:23:53,400 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: it's smoke with spoke bout you guys before this ard

532
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: and we both changed ourselves, didn't never seeing us coming.

533
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: Pat's like, hey, but hey, it's good y'all. Handle your business, man.

534
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: I hope it.

535
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 5: I hope it works itself out. Yeah, man, just keep

536
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 5: what's private, you know. Yeah, op social media. Let's talk

537
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 5: about your upbreaker, bro, because you know, we know we

538
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 5: wanted you to. We want to have you on this show.

539
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 5: Definitely talk about that you and your greatness to you,

540
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 5: our boy, you know what I'm saying. With something on

541
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 5: your mind. This is a platform with people that we

542
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 5: rock with, especially to come say what they need to say.

543
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 5: So we want to get that off first because we

544
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 5: fuck with you like family. No, And that's why I've

545
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 5: wanted to do it.

546
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: What you got it because I'm not going to go

547
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: to another network and have them chop my stuff up

548
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: and edit it. I want to see me you know,

549
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: because over the years, like I said ESPN, They bro,

550
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: they did me wrong. Anything that happened during the course

551
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 3: of my career. I did an hour and a half

552
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 3: two hour interviews, but theyre on the show like maybe

553
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: five or ten minutes of the cliffs controlling there.

554
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: Right.

555
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: So that's why everybody thinks that I'm this person. That's

556
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: why he can go on his podcast and compound some

557
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: of those things and bring some of those things up

558
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: as if I'm that person. Bro, I know what he's doing.

559
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: That's not bro, that's not cool. But he wonders why.

560
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: You know, people, why I said what I said. I

561
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: said it tongue in cheek, but there's always a little

562
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: truth to it. That's why I said the Maxine's black.

563
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 3: I said what people are thinking. But now, like I said,

564
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 3: I never bagged down from it, you know what I mean.

565
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a man in my word. I did,

566
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: and stand on it, stand on what I say, but

567
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 3: it is what it is at this point. And then,

568
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: but often you're talking about some of the things that

569
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: I'm doing now getting ready to do a documentary to say,

570
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: if we're gonna allude to some of it, I'm not

571
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: gonna reveal everything, but yeah, some of how I grew

572
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: up some of the things that are going on, even

573
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: just you know, some of the things, like I said,

574
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 3: me losing millions of dollars you know, through you know,

575
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 3: through the recommendation of my agents at the time, Drew

576
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: and Jason Rosenhouse, you know what I mean, financially, Like

577
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, So again, those are things that people

578
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 3: don't no. But again for Steve and they to use

579
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: this platform to insinuate that I'm desperate, and those are

580
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: the day, those are the that's the word that he used.

581
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 3: And when I asked him about it, he goes, I

582
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 3: didn't tell I didn't say you were desperate. I'm like, yes,

583
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: you did. It's in your tweet. You said I was desperate.

584
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: Then he went in back double down on that with

585
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: his podcast and say that I was doing this stuff

586
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 3: for money. Granted I ain't. It ain't no secret. I

587
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 3: don't have as much money as I used to. But

588
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: I'm alive, I'm blessed, I'm a good I'm a Hall

589
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: of Famer.

590
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: I ain't worried about nothing. I'm good.

591
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 5: I ain't ask him for nothing, So why he worried

592
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 5: about what's in my pockets? They talk about your upbringing,

593
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 5: though we got similar love brings. You was raised by

594
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: your mom and grandmother.

595
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: I was too. Yep.

596
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 5: My mom would work six in the morning, me six

597
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 5: and the even to six in the morning. My whole

598
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: life sotot badly seen her. So I basically stay with

599
00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 5: my grandmother. Talk about having that, having that, Really there's

600
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 5: a blessing to be raised by two strong women.

601
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You was raised by your mama.

602
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: But look at me now, you know what I'm saying.

603
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 5: So talk about being raised by your grandmother and your

604
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 5: mom in Alabama. Oh man, it's like you know Alexandria, Yeah,

605
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 5: Alexander Sandra City.

606
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Ari, it's in the city. You know.

607
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: Like I said, I've said it a number of times.

608
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: Like I said, being raised by two women, probably, like

609
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 3: I said, probably may have been the best thing for

610
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: me because it shaved me to be who I am,

611
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: you know, unapologetic, you know, in certain certain areas about

612
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: certain things. My grandmama grew up in that segregation era

613
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: where you know, she grew up whereas it was racism

614
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: to the fullest. Growing up, I used to hear her

615
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: talk to her friends about certain things that she had

616
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: to do, grew up doing what they couldn't do. I

617
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: couldn't imagine it and didn't really understand it at that time.

618
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: But as we as I grew up, and as we

619
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: know what has happened over the years, you know, especially

620
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: with the George Flour situation, things being brought to light

621
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: because now they actually see it.

622
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: Now, I know a lot.

623
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: Of what she used to go through, what she used

624
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: to talk about, and what we as black people have

625
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 3: been talking about a number of times. Even when I

626
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: went through got drafted by by the Niners, dealing with

627
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: coach Mary Ucci, there were some things. There was some

628
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 3: tension there. I didn't really think about it too much.

629
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 3: I felt it, I saw it, but I never said anything.

630
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: We talked about systemic racism. It was there, but I

631
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: didn't let it. I didn't let it deter me or

632
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: distract from what I had to do on the football field, because,

633
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: like I said, there were some things. After my third year,

634
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: you had skip Baitis to follow. He was a journalist

635
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: or beat writer or something in San Francis. You would

636
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: followed my career. He fell in love with me, then

637
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: he fell out of love. Then I became somewhat of

638
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: a feelin he started to do his show. Now I

639
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: had a target on my back. Now everybody thought I

640
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: was this way when I actually wasn't a certain way.

641
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: But again, like I said, the things that I I've accomplished,

642
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: the way that I've carried myself. You know what it's

643
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: like to carry your name, you know what I mean.

644
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: I tried to represent myself and my family, and I

645
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: feel like I've done that to the fullest because I said,

646
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: I know right from wrong. You know, as we grow up,

647
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: if you don't know right from wrong, you'll understand with

648
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: trial and trivilations and the lessons that you learned. I've

649
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: never claimed to be perfect. I've made some mistakes along

650
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: the way, and I've made some poor choices along the

651
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: way that made That's what makes us who we are,

652
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: makes us mean. So again, those are some of the things,

653
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: like I said, that I took from from my grandmama,

654
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: my mom, Like she said, she had me in like

655
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: sixteen or seventeen, so she was working a number of

656
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: jobs as well. She was a seamstress growing up. She

657
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: made clothes for everybody in the neighborhood or or like

658
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: just to make ends meet. You know what I mean

659
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: I didn't have the I didn't I didn't have the

660
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: name brand things that a lot of the rich white

661
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: kids were wearing. I saw that, you know. I was

662
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: ran wearing wranglers, you know what I mean, ahead shoes

663
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: that were called pie crust because they didn't have no grip,

664
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

665
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: Those are some of the things.

666
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 3: Like I said, I grew up and feeling less than

667
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: because I didn't have the better of everything.

668
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: And so my mom, like said, she she she made

669
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: she made sure we look good and we were dressed

670
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: no matter what.

671
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: So that's how even like we were some of the

672
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: fashion stuff that I try to get into, even some

673
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: of the things that I was able to accomplish and

674
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: still doing now, she lived by character through me because

675
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: it was cut short because she had kids at.

676
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: A young age. She couldn't do those things.

677
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: So we're telling you about fashion, you know, home to court,

678
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: things that my mom wanted to do.

679
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 5: All those things they and to think about, we went without,

680
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 5: but they replaced it with love. Oh no doubt that

681
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 5: got us through. Like I said, our lives are so similar.

682
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 5: But my dad stayed around the corner for me and

683
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 5: my whole life and I didn't. I didn't actually meet

684
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 5: him and have a relationship with I was about twelve thirteen.

685
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 5: I went to him to.

686
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: Live with him because my older brother was damn, my older.

687
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: Was selling drugs. I wanted to be in a dog game.

688
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 5: So that's why I moved over. Your dad stayed right

689
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 5: across the street. Yeah, I had no idea. You know,

690
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: obviously the neighborhood. You got you know, girls, guy girls,

691
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 5: boys in the neighborhood.

692
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: I as a pre teen, you know, I mean teen,

693
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: left twelve, you know me. You start to see girl

694
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: that I was. You're like, so I started liking one

695
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: of my sisters, and it got to the points like okay,

696
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: it got back to my dad, and so he had

697
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: that conversation.

698
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: Like, oh, you can't know. You didn't know. That was

699
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: just no. Yeah, we were just all in the neighborhood

700
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: saying so popss across street that you didn't I had

701
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: no idea he had kids, Yeah, he had four kids

702
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: at the time.

703
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: The old neighborhood, I don't know, neighborhood. Yeah, but they

704
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: will probably agree now that he was a rolling stone

705
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: at that time.

706
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: Up be news to me.

707
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: I had no idea about his lifestyle, no note, but again,

708
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: he had four girls.

709
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: We all used to play muff and all.

710
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: Types of stuff, uh in the neighborhood, hide and seek,

711
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: things of that nature, and uh yeah. So I started

712
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: having some feelings, you know, uh with one of the

713
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: one of the girls, and it was Lisa. So and

714
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: then got back to my dad because everybody's like, oh,

715
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: terror lights, lease terror lights Lisa. So it got back

716
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: to him and he had that conversation with Joe you

717
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: can't like Lisa, and I'm like, what are.

718
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: You talking about?

719
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: Why Lisa's your sister. So that was kind of like

720
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: how I.

721
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: Found out who my dad was. So did you have

722
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: like he spoke to you, but you just like growing up?

723
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: Well yeah, so again, like I said, my dad he,

724
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: like I said, understanding, Now you know his lifestyle.

725
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: He got around a bit, so he was he was town.

726
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: They played sports left handed, you know, nice at pool,

727
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: all those things that I found out later on, I said,

728
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: Like I said, I did a show on my own

729
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: network with e yallabat ben Zotte where we did the

730
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: show Fix My Life.

731
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: And that was the first time the first time I

732
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: ever saw my dad and my mom and by.

733
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: Next to each other for more than two or three minutes.

734
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: Because as I was growing up, I saw him around

735
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: the town, you know what I mean, the softball games

736
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: and this and that, and we had the rec center

737
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: where everybody congregated to do certain things. I would run

738
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: into him or what have you. That's when I saw

739
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: saw him.

740
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: Or what have you.

741
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: If my mom was with me, I didn't even really

742
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: know what was going he was. I just started with

743
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: just my friend, you know what I mean, how I

744
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: and by you know what I mean. But that was

745
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: pretty much the extent of it. So, you know, like

746
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: I said, mon story short at the end of the day,

747
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: Like I said, even after the show, as I've grown,

748
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: and like I said, he never came to any high

749
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: school college and maybe to maybe a few pro games

750
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: at that. But I commended him that he never really

751
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: reached out to me. It wasn't like he saw that

752
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: I became professional athlete. He knew I had money, and

753
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: he tried to He never tried to do any of that.

754
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: So I commended him on that. But as far as

755
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: our relationship, it's cordial, you know what I mean. Is

756
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: it like what I wish I could have had? No

757
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: But what I didn't have with my father. I've tried

758
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: to do that with my own kids, even though we've

759
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: been in separate house. So and I've and I've talked

760
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: to my kids about that. Even with them, I tried to,

761
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: you know, make sure I don't use the word mistake

762
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: and explain to certain things because you never know how

763
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: a kid may interpret that. So I always say, damn

764
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: made some poor choices, especially when my son got old

765
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: enough that he realized, okay, he had other siblings, you know.

766
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: So those are some of the things, like I said,

767
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: I've taken from you know, how I grew up the

768
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: relationship with him, and how I tried to move forward

769
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: to make it better.

770
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, yeah, what did football coming to play?

771
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: I played football in like junior high high school, but

772
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: I was just on the team stack.

773
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't wasn't that, Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't nothing

774
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: to be talked about, you know me. Uh.

775
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: While I went to obviously junior high, played JV, played

776
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: tight end on JV, then obviously moving transitioning from JV

777
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: to high school high school ball varsity, I still didn't

778
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: really play a lot. I had two guys that were

779
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 3: starting in front of me like my junior senior year.

780
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: They liked that. Yeah, they were better than I was.

781
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 3: And that's the way I've always been rid us about

782
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: my skill set, my talent, you know. And I was

783
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: like said, like I said, I got a story to tell.

784
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: That's why I'm doing that documentary. And so I wasn't that.

785
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: I wasn't that guy I witnessed. I saw the talent

786
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 3: the guys around me. You know, you've seen those guys,

787
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: like I said, you talk about the Lebron's that come

788
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: out straight out of high school, and then you saw

789
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: the natural talent in some of those guys. I was

790
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: around those guys and literally I'm like, man, these guys

791
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: are good, you know what I mean. They were like

792
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: I would say, if you had to carry there, they

793
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 3: would be four or five star athletes. I was never

794
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: that what people saw in my professional career. They would

795
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: have thought that I was that in high school. I

796
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: was that in college. But again it's I always go

797
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: back to my three pinals of success and how I

798
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: how I got to be a Hall of Famers. That

799
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: desire because I had a desire to.

800
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: Play any sport, you know what I mean.

801
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: I played baseball, I ran track in those those sports.

802
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: When I didn't play baseball.

803
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: I ran track.

804
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: When I ran track, I played baseball and I played

805
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: play basketball as well.

806
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 2: So those are some of the.

807
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: Things like I said that I did as an athlete,

808
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: but I was just on the team.

809
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't a top guy. Yeah, I wasn't

810
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: that star athlete. Uh ended up going to UT Chattanooga.

811
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 3: On the hills of a guy that was being recruited,

812
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: recruited from my high school, Derek Hall. They see him,

813
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: they came to see him. You looked at the film.

814
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: This is when we had the reels. They was in

815
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: there watching film on him. And at that time, like

816
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: junior senior, I started I played sparing me. So they

817
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: saw me, you know, make a few plays here and there.

818
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: You know, me long strider had heighth the physical attributes,

819
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, the prototypical type of body, you know for

820
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: a receiver.

821
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: By your senior year, were you as big as you were? No, okay,

822
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: six or maybe one hundred and eighty five pounds.

823
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: When I when I left high school and then when

824
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: I left college, I was maybe probably.

825
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: Like two oh five. So what was a recruiting process like,

826
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: was that the only team that had interest in you. Yeah,

827
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: I didn't really.

828
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a couple of schools Division two schools

829
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: that recruited me for basketball.

830
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: I remember that.

831
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: But then, like I said, some of the offers, like

832
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: a couple of offers that I had, they weren't really

833
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: at big schools. So I just went with Like I said,

834
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: I just followed Derek, you know what I mean. They

835
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: were recruiting him, and again I didn't it was U

836
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: T chat Nook. Like I said, I didn't really follow

837
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: a lot of football and stuff growing up because my

838
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 3: grandmother didn't really let me do a whole lot of anything.

839
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: Didn't let them watch as much much TV or anything.

840
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 3: Even like I said, we talked about my dad lived

841
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: across the street. I was going over there watching TV,

842
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: you know me know it was proud.

843
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so.

844
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: She didn't let us do a whole lot of TV.

845
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: Watching the things that that we had, The Basic show,

846
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: the Bill, Coxy Show. I watched Wheel of Fortune. Why

847
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: is this they make you turn the TV off? Like

848
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: they ain't still paying kay, like people like they get

849
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: charged extra cousins.

850
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: All yeah, turn that TV off? Yeah yeah right? In

851
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: my bill of my day, I used to didn't let

852
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: us play the Nintendo on the TV because he said,

853
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: well the color up yeah, bro. So yeah, so that's why. Hey, man,

854
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: I remember, Hey, that's how that's that's that's how it was.

855
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Man.

856
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: So like I said, I would like say, I made

857
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: myself into who I am, you know what I mean

858
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: as far as an athlete. But as I got older

859
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 3: I was when I got drafted, I was just receptive

860
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: to the coaches that saw something in me that I

861
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: really didn't see.

862
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: It myself, you know what I mean.

863
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 3: And I just I just kind of just had a

864
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: step yeah, built like his steps back in the chip Man.

865
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: We're speaking on college right now. Someone who's captivated as

866
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: ship the country for sure and beyond possibly our brother

867
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: Prime out there in Colorado.

868
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 6: Uh.

869
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: Someone you're close with from the Jackson State opper, I

870
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: mean from playing days. But then you know you support

871
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: the Jackson State movement, You've been out the Colorado and

872
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: felt the energy out there.

873
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: Uh?

874
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: In your opinion, what do you feel like he's doing

875
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: and bringing to the game right now?

876
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: A lot of eyeballs, you know what I mean, are

877
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: a different way, a different way of doing things. And

878
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: I think what he did at JSU Jackson State kind

879
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: of set the blueprint, really forced some guys to kind

880
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 3: of go do what he did there.

881
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: He had kind of reached his match, Like what else

882
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: can he do there? You know what I mean? White Championships?

883
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

884
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: What else can he do there? You gotta elevate, you

885
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: gotta grow. So his next step, Okay, let's go to

886
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: let me let me take this to one of the pwu's,

887
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that's what he's done,

888
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 3: and I think it can't I mean, what he's wanting

889
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: to do is open the door for a lot of

890
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 3: other brothers out there, black coaches. It can be imitated,

891
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: but it can't be doing there. It ain't gonna be

892
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: the same to do with it. Yeah, yeah, that's d

893
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: being dal It ain't gonna get the same. But he's

894
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: setting and laying down the blueprint.

895
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: It can be done in your all way. Yeah, exactly right.

896
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: And again I think now, like I said, what he's

897
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: doing there at Colorado, in a couple of years, if

898
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: he stays there, Colorado's gonna be Alabama all he needs,

899
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: like I said, And I've heard some of it, and

900
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: I've seen some of the interviews. He's probably seven to

901
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: eight players away, big boys from from being from being

902
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: downb That's that's, that's all he needs because that's where

903
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: the game is kind of won and lost. He has

904
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: the skill positions, and he has those sold up tight.

905
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: You know, they sewn up.

906
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: So front five on both side right exactly, you know

907
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 5: both sides, Yeah, sides of the ball.

908
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 3: You gotta have, uh, those guys up there to obviously

909
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: run the ball. You gotta have a somewhat of a

910
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: balance attack. But you take what they give you and

911
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 3: then nobody's stopping you from the air from from a

912
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: passage that and you pass it till.

913
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: They stop it. But again, that's why the.

914
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: Rushing game has been has hasn't been as what it

915
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: what he would like, you know, I mean what it

916
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: needs to be because yeah, because.

917
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: He got to go in between the tackles, get outside

918
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: of it, and he got some guys to do it.

919
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: But again, it's gonna take time and every game is

920
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: going to be different, you know. I mean, he he

921
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: has those kids leaving. Yeah, well, he let me tell

922
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: you something what he's done. He can go talk to

923
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: some penguins.

924
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: For about a week and he'll make them think they

925
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: can fly. I'm trying to tell you.

926
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell that's how much he got those guys,

927
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: those kids, believe me, I don't even.

928
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: Look at it as coaching. Obviously he's coaching, But to me,

929
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: he's being the leader. Just for what you said he has.

930
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: It's hard for this. Every every generation is different to

931
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: be able to how do you get the attention of

932
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: these young kids and make them believe in, buy in?

933
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: And to me, that's far about being a leader than

934
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: actually coaching. I feel like he's being a leader of

935
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: these young men and like you said, these dudes will

936
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: do anything for him. Oh yeah, absolutely anything.

937
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he understands he's been there, Dias fort Myers.

938
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: He hasn't always had the best of everything either, you

939
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean. He's gone from rags to richies.

940
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

941
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 3: He's going through and whatever scenario these kids think they're

942
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: going through that they think we as athletes or coaches

943
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: haven't gone through. We've been through there. If not, we

944
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: know somebody that has. So he can relate to those guys.

945
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: And again, like I said, the aproach and how he

946
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: approached going into that getting rid of a number of

947
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: a lot of people White America didn't like that. They

948
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: criticized him for that. But how can you criticize a

949
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: man for what he's trying to do with his own team?

950
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, He's bringing in his players.

951
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: It's no different than coaches that get fired or and hired.

952
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: They come in, they bring it, they bring in their coaches.

953
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.

954
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: But why does white America feel like he's done something

955
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: different or he's doing something.

956
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: Wrong standing on the ship or sacking it up. What

957
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: what you just said is what this white guy said.

958
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: This guy the entire reading that's the show, and it

959
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: was a white guy. He said, he loves the y'all.

960
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 2: But he's like, he's just offended. He's like, why you offend.

961
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: He's like, to be honest, why you offend? The white said,

962
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: because we can't do it. That cop, that's not, that's

963
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: not out that yeah he did.

964
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 5: I was like, thank you for being honest, Like I loved,

965
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 5: but I had to say that that's why we offended,

966
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 5: because we can't do it.

967
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: That cop, that's not. That's a personal problem, and you

968
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: can't you can't.

969
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 3: Fault us for how we do what we do. Yeah,

970
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: that part, but again a lot of people think that

971
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: way that really we talk to him every day base

972
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: they may not say it, they're in our faces, smile

973
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 3: on how to fight and.

974
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: Talk about how to back.

975
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: Those are the type of things that we as black

976
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, athletes and people we go through.

977
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: The guys deal with. You said, you're out there work

978
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: on some of the receivers as well. Yeah. Hell, he

979
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: brought me in.

980
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: Like I said, he got a big receiver, Javon Antonio

981
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: that he wanted me to kind of help, you know,

982
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: help him along the way, kind of grooming a little bit.

983
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: And he's rough around the edges. And then like I

984
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: work with Travis, I worked with we were on and

985
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: I worked worked with.

986
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: All those guys and a lot of the guys, like

987
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: I said that, while I was there, they asked me questions.

988
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, talk about Travis as a

989
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: receipt Oh man, let me know what you do on

990
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: the other side of boss.

991
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: Skills is crazy. It's crazy.

992
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: It's freakish.

993
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: It's how I can explain it. You know.

994
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: Like I said, there are some things that need to ease.

995
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: Probably at the next level, he's going to have to

996
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: find tune. But when you think about what he's doing

997
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: as high school, like a high school like this nice

998
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: second in the league, and you see the highlights of

999
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: what he was doing, Bro, it's it's crazy. It's off

1000
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: the charts to just think like and he has that

1001
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: that mindset of wanting to get better, like I said,

1002
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 3: And then you know guys that you know, from speaking

1003
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: from a basketball standpoint, you know guys that have freakis

1004
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: athletic ability to go from from college to the pros

1005
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: and they don't enhance their abilities, they don't work to

1006
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: get better, you know what I mean.

1007
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: There's that they get the money and they're cool with it.

1008
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: They sign up for you say, they sign up for

1009
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: your deal. The first three or four years they cool.

1010
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: Contract year come up, they go to their labs.

1011
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 4: N No.

1012
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: But some of them they're go get in the lab,

1013
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: get their game right. Oh okay, this is the guy

1014
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: we drafted. Then they get paid again, then they fall off.

1015
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: But again Travis is not. He's not gonna be one

1016
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 3: of those guys. He's hungry. He wants to he wants

1017
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: to get, you know, maximized the exposure that Deon is

1018
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: providing for him, and he's learning from Don.

1019
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 2: Too as well.

1020
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: Dean is just not coaching. He's teaching these kids about

1021
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: violent every every day.

1022
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: I can tell you.

1023
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: Saying what was smart, Like you see, nobody ain't go

1024
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 5: talking about it right on this little show. Everybody was

1025
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 5: wonder how he was doing and what happened?

1026
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: How you feel pajamas? All right? Nobody exactly. And that's

1027
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: like I said, even when I was playing dude, like

1028
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: I wish we.

1029
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: Had when when I was playing, I wish I had

1030
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: those type of platforms to the spell some of the

1031
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: things that was going on. I was kind of like

1032
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 3: before my time in the sin like said, Everybody was like, oh,

1033
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: I'm outspoken.

1034
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: They thought out spoken was.

1035
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: Something wrong, you know what I mean?

1036
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: Like, bro, like that's me bing. Yeah, that was me

1037
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: being honest, you know what I mean.

1038
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: And like I said, those are some of that they

1039
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: like said, that was just me being honest. So it's

1040
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: like I don't like her said even with stephen A

1041
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: with some of his stuff, like he tried to use

1042
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 3: all of that to bring his audience in to talk

1043
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: about me and further attack my character, you.

1044
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?

1045
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: But I like what Travis did, Like let me address

1046
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: what it is and I liked his approach to it.

1047
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: He is football, Yeah, you know at the end of

1048
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: the day, Yeah, nobody wants to get hurt.

1049
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: But we know that was a legal hit. You know,

1050
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: we knew it was a cheap shot. You know me, Yeah,

1051
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: I wanted. I think there was a huge question mark

1052
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: coming on can he do it on this level? And

1053
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: I think the composure he showed that last was a

1054
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: ninety eight the Senate over time Yeah eight point oh yeah,

1055
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: but I mean he makes every throw runs when he

1056
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: needs to try to sit in the pot right place.

1057
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: Half and he took tough and small buck. I mean

1058
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: that was that that the play with the dude hurt.

1059
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he snapped jo, But that showed you the poise,

1060
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 3: the character of his team. Again to number eight Tomorrow's credit,

1061
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: I didn't know who he was from Colorado State. He

1062
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: was a blessing and a curse for their team because

1063
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 3: he rick having the first whole game and he but

1064
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: the thing is no discipline, no poise, he calls he

1065
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: caused him the game too. We got you got a

1066
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 3: face mask and then he got the personal file driving

1067
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: at the game twice with me exactly on another one

1068
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: right he's a dog. I said, I didn't know who

1069
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 3: Commuter was for c s U, but I do now.

1070
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: But again that just shows you, like I said, you know,

1071
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: that's that's one of the things that that that that

1072
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: one of the mantras for for d N d LS

1073
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: team is like being smart, being tough, you know what

1074
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: I mean? Care question, Yeah for sure, for sure. Yeah,

1075
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: But your point, he's he should have an L and

1076
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: a D on this thing. I know he just got

1077
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: the L, but he's a leader in a dout, you

1078
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like I said, I wish I

1079
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: wish I could have played for a coach like like.

1080
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: Then, you know, I would have had a dal a lot. Yeah,

1081
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: as up here and I'll see how you not want

1082
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: your kids exactly to the system. And you see that

1083
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: they broke a streaming record. There's they're sold out games national,

1084
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 2: I tweeted. I was like, Dion's got us watching Colorado

1085
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: or Colorado State right now in the morning. One, I said,

1086
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: dian I smoking stale. If I was to stop, if

1087
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: I could stop moving out out.

1088
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 3: I'm driving through a high end area of California. I

1089
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: gotta see a lady walking her dog. She got on

1090
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: a prime hoodie. I'm like, what, I took a picture

1091
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: and I shouldered.

1092
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, this is crazy.

1093
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: When you talk about the prime effect, that's the prime

1094
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 3: effect you got under like uncharacteristicy people wearing wearing your.

1095
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: Stuff because of what you're doing.

1096
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 5: That firston I ever heard this basic blatantly say that

1097
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 5: they hope he don't succeed. So one person, all of

1098
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 5: the mine of them thinking mad dogs, said it. But

1099
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: again I'm not, yeah, exactly, but again.

1100
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 2: A lot of them, a lot of them feel that way.

1101
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: A lot of Yeah, I don't feel that clack that is,

1102
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: he's cut from that bullshit. Right, you already know what

1103
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: it is. But again, let them feel that way, just

1104
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: won't say it. They ain't gonna they're not gonna say it. Yeah, absolutely,

1105
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: Third round, Again, you said you weren't someone who watched

1106
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: a ton of sports to land in the situation as

1107
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: historical as the forty nine ers, Yeah, to play with

1108
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: the greatest receipver bro time and Steve Young was one

1109
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And when you

1110
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: first got there, what was the situation? Like, how was it? Man?

1111
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 2: It was tough. It was overwhelming because like I said,

1112
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: I came from a small school.

1113
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: We didn't have a lot of plays, you know what

1114
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean. We had like a little binder, you know

1115
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: what I mean, but las for the year, things of

1116
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: that nature and game by game. But when I went

1117
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: to the Niners go into training camp, Bro, we had

1118
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: like a pamphlet, not a path. Look, it was like

1119
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: a book. It was like a book, yeah, Bro, that's yeah,

1120
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: a dictionary. That's that's what it looked like. Man. And

1121
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 3: so I literally had the process, you know, really just

1122
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: trying to learn the position, learned to be a receiver

1123
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: because I wasn't playing at a small school. You don't

1124
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 3: play the Power five school. You don't play that tough,

1125
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 3: stiff competition. I didn't play against a lot of dbs

1126
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: that came up and pressed because my ability it wasn't

1127
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: like right, it wasn't like that to even do that.

1128
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 3: So these are things that I had to learn early

1129
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: on in training camp, as well as becoming knowledgeable about

1130
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 3: the playbook.

1131
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: And then my coaches.

1132
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 3: I had my first two years, by well my first

1133
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: year I had two well my first eight years with

1134
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 3: San Francisco, I had two black coaches. Larry Kirksey, who

1135
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: coached the Jerry Rice and the John Taylor's and the

1136
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 3: Charrars and they sinew and he coach dam and then

1137
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: he ended up coaching me as well in JJ Stokes.

1138
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: JJ Stokes was really draft YEP ninety five.

1139
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: They drafted him to be what I did, you know

1140
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: with the following following over Jerry and so I just

1141
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: had to learn everything, Bro, I was.

1142
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: I was wrong. I was green.

1143
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: That's that's the only way, uh, the way to put it,

1144
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But I worked to try

1145
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 3: to figure it out.

1146
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1147
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 3: I knew that I was I wasn't where I wanted

1148
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: to be, where I needed to be those first three

1149
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: years or so. It clicked probably like that after my

1150
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: third year, yeah, going to my fourth year in the league.

1151
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: But when I saw, like Ko, we have one on ones,

1152
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1153
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: You know there's a period you have one on one

1154
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: as you go against the DB's and whatever.

1155
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: So obviously I would go against the regular dbs.

1156
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: When I saw some of the safetiests wanted to get

1157
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: into some of the action played me one on one.

1158
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: Like Bro, I knew that I wasn't that guy. They

1159
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: thought it was funny because we you don't watch film

1160
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: just like we gonna watch fim. After practice of the

1161
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: one on one, I was getting hemmed up left and right,

1162
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: Tyron Drapick, Drakeford Pop, all those guys, Steve Israel, all

1163
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: these guys, like I said, and then Tim McDonald, Merton Hanks,

1164
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: the Safeties started coming out to check me one on one.

1165
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, this is disrespectful. And we got in

1166
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: the film and it.

1167
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 2: Was it was tough for me. It was tough film

1168
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: to watch.

1169
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: And I saw like man Coach would watch it got

1170
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: to a point, like a couple of days of it,

1171
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: he would just go right by me because I wasn't

1172
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: doing anything. So for me it was embarrassing because I'm

1173
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 3: watching Jered run his routes, you know, Mike Harris running

1174
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: his routes. JJ, I mean, smooth transition in and out.

1175
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 3: I'm just getting hemmed up. It was a struggle. Not

1176
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: every time, but it was a struggle. So that's where

1177
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, let me see how I can get better.

1178
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 3: Or I started working with the martial arts guy George

1179
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 3: Chunk every day after practice with the hands. Then I

1180
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: started doing the footwork. Then I started looking at other receivers,

1181
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: I started looking at the slot guy. I started reallying like, man,

1182
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: the guys that are being drafted, free aged that are

1183
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 3: coming in on our team is a reason why they're here.

1184
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 3: If they're not playing outside, they're playing inside for a reason.

1185
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, I want to be like Jerry, but

1186
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 3: I want to be more than Jered because I had

1187
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: the physical side. I had something that he really didn't have,

1188
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: and that was size. And I'm like me and if

1189
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 3: I can incorporate his feet, how he his escapability, how

1190
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: he transitioned in and out of his route, If I

1191
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: can do that, add that to my game, bro, it

1192
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 3: could be it could be a game changer. But it

1193
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: was to my my One day, my coach pulled me

1194
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: to the side. And this is a sign of a

1195
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: good coach. He saw I was struggling. You know, he

1196
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna dog and with it. He pulled me to

1197
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: the side. He said, Yo, don't you like basketball? He

1198
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: knew I loved basketball. Out of my eight my years

1199
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: in playing football, I never trained football stuff ever. In

1200
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: one time is when I when I got traded to

1201
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 3: went to the Eagles, and he wanted.

1202
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: Donovan the words to come to Arizona to work out.

1203
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 3: So that's all I did, was who So my coach

1204
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 3: knew that about me, He knew I played in college.

1205
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 3: He said, Yo, don't you like basketball? And I said yes, sir,

1206
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 3: And he said, look, he said, you're struggling. He said,

1207
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: when you're when a defense did the d back of

1208
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 3: the cornerback is in front of you. He said, all

1209
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: it is is one to one. It's like you're playing

1210
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: basketball and you're trying to get by that defender to.

1211
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: Get to the hoop. Sack. Man, it clicks. Boy, if

1212
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: this was a cartoon, it would be a white Bullok.

1213
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: We go off from the top of my first there

1214
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: was just bricks up there.

1215
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 3: Fact fast bro. Once he told me that it clicked

1216
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: for me, I'm like, man, all I need I just

1217
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: need to get them out of the box, you know

1218
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1219
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 2: Go one way they go and you go the other ways.

1220
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: But then, like I said, you can't hang your hat

1221
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: on that because now you got to elevate your game

1222
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: like that. The good defender, they may stop that. You

1223
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: gotta have a plan. B. They just they stopped playing. B.

1224
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: You gotta go to play and see that's all gotta

1225
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: happen within four seconds, you know what I mean. So

1226
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 3: I had to eventually progressively get better with that every day.

1227
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: And I started doing that after practice every day, started

1228
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 3: catching ball more balls every day, because like I was wrong,

1229
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 3: I was green, you know what I mean. I said

1230
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: I wasn't a top pick. I didn't come in like

1231
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: I alluded to early with Randy straight out of college

1232
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 3: right into the line.

1233
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: He was that guy.

1234
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: I wasn't him.

1235
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 2: This was caming makes. We would have gave him about

1236
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 2: three or four pall.

1237
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: Oh man, I know, yeah, for sure.

1238
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 5: If they would have gave me a book like that

1239
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 5: when I got drafted over, I would have given it

1240
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 5: back to him.

1241
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 2: But this is why I'm playing sports. I don't have

1242
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 2: to read. This is gonna make sense, right, Yeah, I'm

1243
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: playing sports. I don't have to read this year Steve Young?

1244
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. What was one of my favorite quarterbacks? Again?

1245
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: He played for my favorite team. What was his What

1246
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: was he like? I mean, he was someone who was

1247
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: crazy journey to get to where he was at to

1248
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: become one of the greatest efforts. What was he like

1249
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: as a person? He was? I mean, he was a

1250
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: good person.

1251
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean obviously, like I said, going

1252
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 3: there playing on the team really kind of full of stars.

1253
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: They had won the championship a couple of years prior

1254
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: to think ninety four was the last championship they had.

1255
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: And so me just come from Chatanoo, small school, small town,

1256
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: playing with you know, some of some some.

1257
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 3: Of the the very people that won championships and may

1258
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: Semprus the franchise that it has.

1259
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: It was it was. It was like I said, it was

1260
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: a learning thing.

1261
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 3: Because I said, I never had been thrown football with

1262
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, uh from a left hander. So those are

1263
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: things that I had to get adjusted to as well,

1264
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: you know, catching from a right hander because the ball

1265
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: sped is different, hit the hand differently. Really yeah, yeah,

1266
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 3: So even like I said, early on, like I said,

1267
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: I wasn't really working with the ones a lot, Jerry

1268
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: and all those guys, the guys that was playing, they

1269
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: they were working the rest with Steve. And then once

1270
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 3: I started kind of you know, work my way to

1271
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: where I would be on the field with him, I

1272
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 3: could tell, like the balls spun a little different. I

1273
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: had to get used to it coming to me, approaching

1274
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: me a little different. But when thinking about him, I

1275
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 3: wish I could have had him or really a majority

1276
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: of my career. Out of the eight years of San Francisco,

1277
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 3: I only had him for three years. So yeah, when

1278
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: I didn't, Yeah, when I really was trying to found myself,

1279
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: he was gone. Socia Garcia, we had bro We had Garcia,

1280
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: Tim Rita, Jim Mooney called Kamarazi, Elvis Gerbat was there.

1281
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: We drafted no consistency, Yeah, we had we drafted Jim

1282
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: drug Miller. Played with a number of quarterbacks, you know,

1283
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: I mean, uh, throughout that throughout my years in San Francisco.

1284
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: But that's why I ranked myself where I do because

1285
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: if I would have had a solid, legitimate quarterback for

1286
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: like the tenure, throughout the tenure of my career, at

1287
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: least eight to ten of those years, proditional tell him

1288
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 3: what I would have done.

1289
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: But I adjusted my game to every quarterback.

1290
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: And people don't give me the credit that I do

1291
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: that I need because I was aware that I needed

1292
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: to change my game. And offense has changed, changed our

1293
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: offense based on the quarterback. But for me, I saw

1294
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 3: the limitations with some of our quarterbacks, like a Jeff Garcia,

1295
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: because he wasn't a stand in the pocket passer. He

1296
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: wasn't the strong arm guy like Steve on backuld throw

1297
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: the ball sixty seven yards down the field. That's why

1298
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: nobody really knew about my speed till I got till

1299
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: I got to feel it. They saw glimpses of what

1300
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: I could do, because the West Coast offense is predicated

1301
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: on precision and timey slants short, underneath, intermediate, then take

1302
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 3: it to the take a distance. They saw that, but

1303
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: then they really saw me take really do what Randy

1304
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: was doing. They didn't see that till I got to

1305
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: till I got to feel it. And that's where I

1306
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: had to adjust my game really kind of with every

1307
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: quarterback that I played, and then with the West Coast offense,

1308
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: they called something scramble drill. You know what I mean

1309
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: when players break down where you are in relationship to

1310
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 3: the quarterback.

1311
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, I call it NYA.

1312
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 3: Make yourself available, You find what a quarterback is, You

1313
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: get into his visit because if they're under the rest,

1314
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 3: they're trying to get that ball out out of their hands.

1315
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 3: And so for me, when I understood what I could

1316
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 3: do once I got the ball in my hand, I

1317
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: made sure they saw he saw eighty one and when

1318
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 3: I got my hands on the ball, I did what

1319
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: I did, and like I said, I progressively got Vetter's receiver,

1320
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 3: you know, throughout my you know, throughout the course of

1321
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: my years in San Francisco. But I wish I could

1322
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: have played. I mean, you think about Jerry. Jerry had

1323
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: no drop off in really countable for quarterbacks. He went

1324
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: from Montana, a Hall of famer, to another Hall of

1325
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 3: Famer in Steve Young, and just think about the number

1326
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: of yards and the touchdowns and the things that he

1327
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: amassed playing.

1328
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: With those two quarterbacks back to back.

1329
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 3: I didn't have that, but I accumulated a lot of

1330
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: things because I realized when I started, my coaches helped

1331
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: push me to believe and see what I could be.

1332
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 3: And here I am Hall of Famer today, you know

1333
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 3: because of that. And I honestly, like I give a

1334
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: lot of credit to those coaches, even from Saint fran

1335
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: from Larry Kersey, George Stewart, went to Philly, David Cully

1336
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: and my other black receiver coach, Ray Sherman, when I

1337
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: was in when I was in Dallas, those guys, like

1338
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: I said, some of the things, Yeah, and every team

1339
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: that I played, those every team that I played on, Bro,

1340
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 3: I falled out, you know what I mean? And I attributed,

1341
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 3: like I said, the lack of a father in my household.

1342
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: They were like my dad's you know what I mean.

1343
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: They pulled me and when all the things that were

1344
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: going on, when ESPN was bashing me about things, when

1345
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: you had former players that were going into the booths,

1346
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 3: you know, commentating, saying and compounding things that they thought,

1347
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: and they heard about me about.

1348
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: Who I was the person that's the player.

1349
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: My coaches pulled me into We had those private conversations

1350
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 3: and they told me, Bro, you're not doing nothing wrong

1351
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: just because I was outspoken, because I was honest.

1352
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: That's how I was raised. Yeah, but that's how I

1353
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: was raised, Bro, what's wrong with that? Now?

1354
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: Those things that was I was heavily criticized for Villa

1355
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 3: five wards to norm It's being embraced now even with

1356
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 3: the touchdown celebrations, Bro, all the things everything that everybody

1357
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: really attacked my.

1358
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: Karen, We're gonna get to your antics because you definitely

1359
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: have some. Man, Hey, I was creative. I was creative,

1360
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: like I creative. Absolutely, you joined the Eagles, you guys

1361
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: end up hitting the super Bowl in five, You're coming

1362
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: off a broken leg. I remember you come back and

1363
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 2: play this game and nine catches one hundred and twenty

1364
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: two yards. I mean, what was your mental that day?

1365
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: How you felt after? I felt fired after honestly I said,

1366
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: I scared for you. Ah yeah, rynter roths Loo like.

1367
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be remiss not to mention this because

1368
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: my grandmother, like I said, growing up in her household

1369
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 3: with the church, you know what I mean, she taught

1370
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 3: me about believing in God, having faith, you know, And

1371
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 3: that's obviously what I hung my hat on when I

1372
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: had so many naysayers and detractors and doubters that said,

1373
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: and even the doctors that my doctor that performed the surgery,

1374
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: he didn't even medically clear me to play in the game.

1375
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: I had to sign a waiver to play in the

1376
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. So yeah, exactly if it would have been

1377
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 3: a liabuilding, he didn't even believe what he had seen

1378
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: within those six and a half we leading up to.

1379
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: The Super So break that down, not to cut SHO off. So,

1380
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: so you broke your leg, at what point Sol came back?

1381
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: And so mid December early to mid December, we had

1382
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 2: two or three games left to go in the season.

1383
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: I called her.

1384
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 3: I caught her route and I was getting ready to

1385
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 3: go around the defense and Roy grabbed me by my

1386
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 3: shoulder pulled me down.

1387
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: And when I when I went down, I heard a pop,

1388
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 2: Like I heard a pop. Wis yeah, Roy Williams, he

1389
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: was a yeah.

1390
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 3: He was a safe thing where the Cowboys at the time,

1391
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 3: I was with the Eagles, And so when I went down,

1392
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 3: I heard a loud pop. When I laid down, I'm like, Oh,

1393
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: it's like I broke my ankle. That's that's how That's

1394
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 3: how bad it felt. So Rick, the training came out.

1395
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: He goes, what's wrong.

1396
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: What are you feeling?

1397
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: I said, Rick, I think I broke my acle And

1398
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 3: so he started doing some little tests and that the

1399
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: other and so he's like, he's signaled to the tunnel

1400
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 3: for the car.

1401
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not going. I'm not.

1402
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 3: That's just that that mentality, that toughness that I had,

1403
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not going to go off on the cart.

1404
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 3: So literally I walked all the way to the side

1405
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: to help me to the guys helped me to the sideline.

1406
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: Then I walked to walked to the tunnel and when

1407
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: I got in that tunnel bo I broke down.

1408
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: Man, she hurt. So got a next ray. They really

1409
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: didn't see anything. So the next day I got an MRI.

1410
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 3: The MRI was took for my anchor because that's where

1411
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: all the pain was, and so I'll say the imaging.

1412
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: When I got there, the radiologists asked me kind of like,

1413
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, what are you feeling? Where's the pain?

1414
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 3: So that night I had my leg elevated all night,

1415
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: I slept on the couch and at night so I

1416
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 3: had ice here, ice there, and it was just robbing.

1417
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: It was robbing.

1418
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 3: So I got there and I was like, man, I

1419
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 3: told the trainer and the radular the dude, I said,

1420
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 3: I said, I was in mad pain. I said this,

1421
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 3: I said, up up by my knee. I said, it's

1422
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: hurting real bad. So he was like, all right, cool,

1423
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 3: We're just scanned the whole leg. And that's when they

1424
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: found out that I had fractured my fibula. And in

1425
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 3: addition to the MRI images, it's like yo, they said yo.

1426
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 3: And then I had a high severe Cindis moosa spray,

1427
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 3: so I to all the ligaments over here. And then

1428
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 3: one day when they went in for surgery they found

1429
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 3: out that I had snapped my del toy leaguing too.

1430
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: So I had they going in looked at I wonder

1431
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 3: I would have had another surgery if they didn't see that.

1432
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 3: So that was part of what the pop that I heard,

1433
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 3: in addition to the break at the same time, because

1434
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 3: it all kind of happened simultaneously.

1435
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 2: So I played with two screws at the surgery. I

1436
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: had two screws and.

1437
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 3: The plate really couldn't do anything about the fracture. They

1438
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 3: said they just had to heal. And so then yeah,

1439
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 3: and so, like I said, it was six and a half,

1440
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 3: seven weeks to the Super Bowl.

1441
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: So when I came back.

1442
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 7: From them from from the doctor from Baltimore, I was

1443
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 7: in a limo and then I had an interview with

1444
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 7: one of the local radio stations there and they asked

1445
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 7: me about the surgery, how everything, how I felt, and

1446
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 7: then asked me, you know, do I did I think

1447
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 7: I would be ready for the Super Bowl?

1448
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 3: And I told him I was honest. I said, yo,

1449
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 3: I said, if they make it to that super Bowl,

1450
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 3: I said, I'll be ready. But that was the faith

1451
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 3: that I had in myself and the things that have

1452
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 3: leading up to that how I took care of my

1453
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: body because I didn't get a personal trainer until like

1454
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: after my third year. So from year four to like

1455
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,479
Speaker 3: now this is five years later. These are the types

1456
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 3: of things, like I said, that allow and enable me

1457
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: to recover as fast as I did. And I did

1458
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 3: other things too from Michael Current. I took something obviously

1459
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: for the tissue, the car list, things of that nature.

1460
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 3: H and I slept in the hyperbarrier chamber. I was

1461
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: doing those cutting yeads things before people even knew about them.

1462
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 3: But I had the team of people who I trained

1463
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 3: with in in in the off season because I lived

1464
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: in Atlanta at the time. Those are the people that,

1465
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: like I said, I Larry had everybody live with me,

1466
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 3: stay stay at my house. Those six and a half

1467
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: we used to living up to the Super Bowl.

1468
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 2: So how long were you supposed to be out?

1469
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 3: Probably three four months at least four months six and

1470
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: half season had some weeks yep. And that said the

1471
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 3: only thing that bothered me because they wanted some extra

1472
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 3: protecting I didn't. I never take my ankles, probably like

1473
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: the probably after my probably second or third year in

1474
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 3: the league, because I would practice without tape. But then

1475
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 3: guys would tape on, so I was like, man, if

1476
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 3: I'm practicing without on tape, I can play. So I

1477
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: never really taped my ankles. So got ready to play

1478
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: in the game and they wanted some exprotection for that.

1479
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 3: I tried to go out, so I did my my

1480
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: main lower routine. So when I came to the tunnel,

1481
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 3: it was cameras everybody.

1482
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 4: Man.

1483
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: I started to run. Dude, that tape was killing me.

1484
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't really, I.

1485
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 3: Can't remember if I took a labor if I got

1486
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 3: half weight on the minit I got to go back in.

1487
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: Went back in.

1488
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: I told Rick, I said, Rick, this is too painful.

1489
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 3: He said, all right, cool, it's cut it off. And

1490
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: then I went back out to work out, run, do

1491
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: my low routine and then I started feeling pain up

1492
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 3: here and that was where the break was. So when

1493
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: I went back in, he explained to me, he goes, yo,

1494
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 3: it's probably not fully healed yet. And he said because

1495
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 3: of weight distribution, that when you when people don't notice,

1496
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 3: but when they when you walk, your bones naturally spread

1497
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 3: a little bit when you walk because of weight distribution.

1498
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 3: So he said that where you're feeling is because you're

1499
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 3: running and that weight dis it's stressing, its stressing the break.

1500
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 3: So what we did was he rolled my stuff down.

1501
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: He basically got some tape and he taped it this

1502
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 3: type as he could around the break so it wouldn't

1503
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: spread as much.

1504
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: And so that helped. And then I took a toward

1505
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: doll thanks some toward all pills just to kind of minimize,

1506
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: you know, some of the pain.

1507
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 3: I took that before, Boy, minimize some of the pain.

1508
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 3: But I mean, you got all these tattoos and just

1509
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: standing there sit down for hours.

1510
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: So mean, no, no, I'm talking about that. I took

1511
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: the toward off shot and how amazing it was. I

1512
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 2: couldn't my arm. And then I was playing in the playoffs.

1513
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hour later. Yeah, he wasn't paying after the game. No, No,

1514
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: I really was. I wasn't, And Bro, I was so

1515
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 2: focused on what I said.

1516
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 5: Yeah I was.

1517
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: Bro.

1518
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 2: I said, I'm a god fearing god. Bro, No, you're

1519
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: gonna crash, you go, you gonna eventually come down. Yeah.

1520
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 3: But it was, like I said, I didn't take a

1521
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: lot of things off because I felt good, you know

1522
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1523
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: I literally I trusted the rehab. We went into an

1524
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: aggressive rehabs.

1525
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 3: Soon as I got back from Baltimore, I thought, I'm like, Okay,

1526
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna let me rest up for me a few

1527
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 3: days week. Bro. The next day we went to rehab

1528
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 3: and they had the confidence that I could do it

1529
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 3: because they had seen me work, they had seen me practice,

1530
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 3: they saw him on an everyday basis. They saw what

1531
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: I brought to the team, you know, I mean that energy.

1532
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: And he was just like, and why my approach to

1533
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 3: the game every day. So they're like, yo, we're going

1534
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 3: to attack.

1535
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: This like you with us. We said we we with you,

1536
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: I with you, you with GM. I broke myself. I

1537
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 2: cut my foot off at the area. What was it?

1538
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 5: What was it like playing for the best team everyen

1539
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 5: put in the NFL history? Cut down kind man?

1540
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 3: It was Uh it was good man again, like I

1541
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 3: said things and didn't go well and uh in Philly

1542
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 3: for obvious reasons, and I had an opportunity.

1543
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: I'll say that was a free agent. Uh. Jerry felt

1544
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: like I was one of those guys that I said,

1545
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: like I said, you had had a guy in Michael Irvin.

1546
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: Uh, we had a colorful personality, what have you? Obviously

1547
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 3: that was the stigma of the thing about me, uh

1548
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 3: is that you know, I was that guy. But again

1549
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 3: and my play, like I said, they couldn't deny that,

1550
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 3: And so I brought that to uh to the Cowboys,

1551
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 3: and again I bought out you know, for three years

1552
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: with them.

1553
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: So again it was like, you know, I never really.

1554
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 3: Envisioned uh playing for them, like I said, I was

1555
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 3: when I was in San Francisco. End up, I stood

1556
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 3: on the Star. Uh that they saw a lot of people,

1557
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of the cowboy They didn't

1558
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 3: like it. Yeah, but then once I saw they saw

1559
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 3: me on the field and I'm winning games for him. Hey, yeah,

1560
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 3: exactly the lord he did. Ro tried to take your

1561
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 3: head off. Are you read when you went to the Star?

1562
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: That was George t Yeah, that was George Tea.

1563
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. But like I said, man, it was it

1564
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 3: was an opportunity. Again, like I said, I took full

1565
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 3: advantage of it. And I think I said with my career, Bros,

1566
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 3: like you can't deny like I said, when I talk

1567
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 3: about desired dedication to discipline, Bro, I took it everywhere

1568
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 3: that I went.

1569
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 2: Bro. I live by that.

1570
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 4: Bro.

1571
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, and I didn't really think about

1572
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 3: it at that time. But the things that made me

1573
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 3: to a receiver, I brought that same package, even though

1574
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 3: the package on the house side, the.

1575
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 2: Rapping was different. What was on the inside, yeah that

1576
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 2: what was on the inside never changed. So I brought that.

1577
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 3: You know what I mean when people talk about complete receiver.

1578
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 3: That's why I say that I'm two behind Jerry because,

1579
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 3: like I said, we've me and ran and we talked

1580
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 3: about it.

1581
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: Like he played when he wanted to. You know, he

1582
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 2: did a certain things. But again, like I said, it's like, okay,

1583
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: who do you want? You know what I mean? I

1584
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: had those disrespectful games. I guess us, was you a

1585
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 2: ring y'all? Destroyed?

1586
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 3: Is hey?

1587
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: Like I said, that's why we That's why we we

1588
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: were mentioned top three for best of the best. But

1589
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: what we did got a relationship with Jerry? No, not

1590
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 2: really not I'm feeling no.

1591
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 3: I mean he backdoored me after I had signed a

1592
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 3: UH deal Crazy two thousand and nine, Crazy and.

1593
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 2: Yo Ol six, the whole nine I had.

1594
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 3: But it was my three years after that third year,

1595
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 3: Jery called me going into the off season standing my

1596
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 3: contract had four years from the five million dollars deal

1597
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 3: and Then two months after that, he flew the Slaughter,

1598
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 3: him and Stephen Jones and my agent. They had some

1599
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 3: owners meeting or whatever they called. My agent he called

1600
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: me like, yo, he want to meet with us. I'm

1601
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 3: thinking it's like this is the year right before they

1602
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 3: played in the new stadium. So right after after the season,

1603
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 3: he had already asked me, like, what do we need

1604
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: to get over the help? What do we need to

1605
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 3: do to compete for a championship?

1606
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1607
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: Me looked at him calling me, I'm like, oh, this

1608
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: is good. I'm looking at me as a veteran, you know,

1609
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 3: a post of what we can do offensively.

1610
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: So I told him that.

1611
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 3: Then, like I said, fast forward, a couple of months later,

1612
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 3: he advites us to Fort Lauderdale.

1613
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 2: We go into some hotel. We went in the back.

1614
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 3: It was started, the restaurant was closed. We were sitting

1615
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 3: at this table. It was a cloth on the table,

1616
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 3: and so it was Jerry Steven and then my two agents,

1617
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 3: and so he started rambling us, talking about you know,

1618
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: the organization, things of that nature.

1619
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 5: Uh.

1620
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 3: Then he was mentioning something about me. And then as

1621
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 3: he was doing it, every time that he mentioned something

1622
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 3: about the Dallas Cowboys. You know, he would put something

1623
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 3: about Dallas Cowboys over here when he mentioned something about me,

1624
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 3: and he would put t o over here, Dallas Cowboys

1625
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 3: over here. He was mentioning all these things, you know,

1626
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: their approach and this, that and the other what I

1627
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 3: brought to the team. And then he had a pin

1628
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 3: writing all this. And then in between all this writing,

1629
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 3: he did a line and he said, we got to

1630
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 3: part ways. Bro. I was I looked around, I'm like

1631
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: my agent looking at meaning, I'm looking at him like

1632
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 3: what's going on? And then Drew I think I recalled

1633
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: Drew saying are you are you serious?

1634
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 2: Like what do you mean?

1635
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 3: But that's that's how that's how I was cut from

1636
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,879
Speaker 3: from from the Cowboys.

1637
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: He borderline, I don't know. I don't know what the

1638
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 2: borderline was. I didn't want it. I was hoping you'll

1639
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: figure out that. I have to say the other one

1640
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 2: corterline race, I don't.

1641
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I think everybody can speculate, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1642
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 5: sad right again.

1643
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 3: You can speculate that, or like you said, you articulate

1644
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 3: things to make you think certain things. But I think

1645
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 3: there has been instances where if that was or if

1646
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 3: you think that he was racist. He could because it

1647
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 3: came out of his mouth, right, he could have come

1648
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 3: out and said certain things. You know, there's things that

1649
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: have happened since the George Force thing where again he

1650
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 3: told you know, some of this player, if you do this,

1651
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 3: you're not.

1652
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 2: Gonna be on the team. You know, when guys wanted

1653
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: to kind of be in solidarity with the cause and

1654
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: he prevented them from doing that.

1655
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 3: He suppressed them. Yeah, I mean, you know, they didn't

1656
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: have a voice when they wanted to have a voice.

1657
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 3: So again, could he be Yeah, just because you do

1658
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 3: some some great things, or you do some stuff for

1659
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 3: some people that have played you and played for you

1660
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 3: and warn you some championship, that doesn't make you not

1661
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 3: a racist.

1662
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 2: I don't. But he hasn't really done anything with them.

1663
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: They earned that much, I get. But there are gonna

1664
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: be some players.

1665
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 3: They're gonna be players that obviously are going to be

1666
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 3: advocates for him because of what they what they what

1667
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 3: he's done for them, you know, I mean, yeah, you

1668
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: think about the micro urbans, the image sperienced and guys

1669
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 3: like that that they're going to stand on his stand

1670
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 3: on his back because of he's probably helped them out

1671
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 3: in certain situations.

1672
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: He helped them out right, you know what I mean?

1673
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 2: So so yeah, so yeah, I would, I would. I

1674
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: would probably need more to say he is than he's not. Yeah. Fact,

1675
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 2: you were in a time where social media, well when

1676
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 2: when you were at your greatest, didn't really exist.

1677
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 6: Uh.

1678
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: If they did, some of your celebrations obviously would have

1679
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: been viral. Go through some of your celebrations and just

1680
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 2: what was going through your mind when it happened, And

1681
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 2: won't start with the one that did Jack likes the most.

1682
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 2: When you had the test down and you just spread

1683
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 2: it from one side, stood on the star in two

1684
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: thousand against the Cowboys. Oh you know your mind right there?

1685
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 2: We travel Did you do it twice? Yeah? Did it twice?

1686
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: So we traveled the day before the game to go in.

1687
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 3: You know, you go through walkthroughs, you go through the

1688
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 3: plays before the day of the game, and you know

1689
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 3: for forty thirty forty minute workout, you know, just walk

1690
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 3: through the plays. And then so before we get back

1691
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 3: on the bus, well you know whatever grouping receivers running

1692
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 3: backs over.

1693
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: Everybody gets in the group, and we just happened to

1694
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: be in the middle of the start. We didn't. I

1695
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 2: didn't think anything of it. So my coach, like I said,

1696
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 2: he knew that I'm I'm one of the guys like

1697
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: the offense kind of goes through me, like if I

1698
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 2: go to, the offense goes So you know, this is

1699
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: a at a time like, Okay, I know I'm that guy, and.

1700
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 3: So I knew I was going to score, you know,

1701
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: at some point. And so you know the we was

1702
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 3: that Dallas, the Texas Stadium with the hole in the room. Yeah,

1703
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 3: at that time. And so you know obviously that the

1704
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 3: I guess the story behind the whole in the Yeah, no,

1705
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 3: it said it's in Dallas. Yeah, the hold in the

1706
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 3: rugs because God can look down on America's team. So

1707
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 3: he basically told me, hey, it.

1708
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: Was a round. I said. Everybody said that. The coaches

1709
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 2: know it, and everybody it's we we gott to be

1710
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: doubt as fucked the Cowboys from RS exactly. It's it's

1711
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: it's in the comferentce too. It's the end the CEA East. Yeah,

1712
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So he's like, yo, tomorrow,

1713
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: so look at Jack. I can't like that. So it's like,

1714
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 2: uh so it's like you know, he's like yo, tea.

1715
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 3: Showing who who you know, who God gonna be looking

1716
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 3: down on tomorrow, not just America's team, Like, hey, you

1717
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 3: want the gods child's kids too.

1718
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 2: So that's what I did. That's what it was. No

1719
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: disrespect towards.

1720
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 3: Them, you know, I'm just giving, Yeah, giving how much

1721
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 3: you know the guy that works me up every day

1722
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 3: that I brry.

1723
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I did.

1724
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 3: So when you look at the actual clip, I went

1725
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 3: straight there.

1726
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 2: That's all I did. I did. I wasn't looking at them,

1727
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 2: no nothing, look greight up. I didn't know like that

1728
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 2: dude was burrowing down on him. And then he hit me.

1729
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 2: And then, like you know, people they exaggerate things. He

1730
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: knocked you.

1731
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 3: He closed like, bro, he with it will speed. And

1732
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 3: then even with that, bro, I've taken hits harder than

1733
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 3: that during the game.

1734
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah that.

1735
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so uh so, yeah I did it, you know

1736
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 3: what I mean? And then uh so after that, you know,

1737
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: my coach didn't say anything. Head coach didn't say anything

1738
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 3: about it, no nothing. This is why I don't really

1739
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 3: deal with coach Mary or she because he didn't even

1740
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 3: have my back even after this game. So I did

1741
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 3: it the second time that's when Emmy Smith, well Emmer

1742
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 3: Smith did it after I did it, and then the

1743
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 3: second time I did it. You know, it was obviously

1744
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: he got in retaliation because they couldn't stop me. So

1745
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: after that, you know, also go back the games that

1746
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 3: we won and then Mary she suspended me like that.

1747
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 3: During that week he he came and then they rupt you.

1748
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 3: He suspended me. The league didn't suspend me nothing. It

1749
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 3: was so media, so much media and hype. Like you said,

1750
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 3: it would have gone viral. It wasn't crazy, So the

1751
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 3: league didn't suspend me. He was so pressured from the

1752
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 3: outside that he felt like he needed to do so.

1753
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 3: It's almost like the hit on on on Travis with

1754
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: it with the guy that the the.

1755
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean.

1756
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 3: It was so much he talking about Henry Blackbirds like

1757
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 3: his coaches felt pressure. He would have suspending it. That's

1758
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: what my coach did to me. He didn't have to,

1759
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 3: but that let me know that he didn't have my

1760
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 3: back and our relationship it went.

1761
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,520
Speaker 2: Down to drain after that popcorn.

1762
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 3: It was improper to I didn't I scored the touchdown

1763
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 3: and the dude was in the back of the end

1764
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 3: zone with the popcorn thing. So I just got it,

1765
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1766
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: I was hungry Jack, you know, I just said I

1767
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: was served. You know what I was just I was

1768
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: chat man, I was putting Yeah when you when you

1769
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: when I.

1770
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 3: Go to the movies, that's why excuse to eat popcorn,

1771
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 3: because it's entertainment. I realized at this point in time, like, Bro,

1772
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 3: I'm putting on a show. I mean, it's not only

1773
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 3: just me playing, and I'm I'm doing what I need

1774
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 3: to do for person goal, team goals. But I'm starting

1775
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 3: to realize now, like bro, people would come to see

1776
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 3: eighty one, you know. I mean then I started like

1777
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 3: it was on ESPN and like that and that, like

1778
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 3: what is he gonna do next? So I started to

1779
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 3: try to do things to kind of one up myself.

1780
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 3: So everything is not calculated, right, Like with that, it

1781
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 3: was just imprompt too, Like I didn't.

1782
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: I didn't, I.

1783
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 3: Didn't propping back there yo, he persisting him back there

1784
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 3: with the popcorn.

1785
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, let's get it yo in your sock though.

1786
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 2: That that was that was.

1787
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was that was it. Yeah, it was

1788
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 3: just impromptu. Bro.

1789
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 2: It's the feeling of going.

1790
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 5: To the game.

1791
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: You worry about what I would do because I know

1792
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm a score when I get that.

1793
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 3: Then at that time going against a guy like showing

1794
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 3: spray like again, Ohio, sate me, you teach chat knew

1795
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 3: hm you.

1796
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 2: Look at that message like who's gonna get the best?

1797
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 6: Who?

1798
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's it's the players to watch, you know,

1799
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 3: I mean for the week.

1800
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: So I figured he let me let me do what

1801
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: I do, you know, I mean, So that's what I did.

1802
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 3: I scored and then like I said, I signed the thing.

1803
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 3: Like I said, I just I didn't even think too

1804
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 3: much about it. It was like during right before the series,

1805
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 3: I asked the trainer, you know, for for sharpish and

1806
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 3: he was like he thought I was gonna mark out something.

1807
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: Give it back, y'all you're good. He didn't know.

1808
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: I just put it in my socking. In the next series,

1809
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 3: I go out you know what I mean.

1810
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, cheerleaders.

1811
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 3: It was just spurred them on, you know, I mean

1812
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 3: head prompt too. I scored a drag dude into their zone.

1813
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: Yo, mad. So I'm like, I didn't have nothing plan.

1814
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 2: So I just saw those cheerleaders and I was like, hey,

1815
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 2: let me just get in on there.

1816
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1817
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: So again that's just that's just me like saying this

1818
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 2: just timmans you thought about doing but then reconsider nah man,

1819
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 2: like I did a number thing bro.

1820
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 3: Then, like I said, even with me starting to become

1821
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 3: so popular with the touchdown celebrations, then the NFL started

1822
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 3: to intervene, like telling us what we couldn't do and

1823
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 3: things of that nature like and then Chad on my

1824
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 3: my homie O Yo Sinko, he was in Cincinnati doing

1825
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 3: his thing, and then it was just like it became

1826
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 3: a competition. I didn't really know Chad at that time,

1827
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 3: so it became a competition like O who was gonna

1828
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 3: one up each other?

1829
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 2: Bro?

1830
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 3: But I just did it for creativity and at the

1831
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 3: same time, it was motivation for me to get into

1832
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: the end zone because I know if I'm doing what

1833
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm doing and I'm scoring, we got we can win,

1834
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So that's that's how that's how,

1835
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 3: that's how I used my that added motivation. Like I said,

1836
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 3: we all are required to do something. The better our

1837
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 3: skill set, the better I you know, to help better

1838
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 3: personally and then as a player.

1839
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 2: But you know, for me, I just knew that I'm

1840
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: like Okay, if I get my hands on the ball, and.

1841
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 3: The more times I'm more involved and I'm in the

1842
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 3: end zone, it increases our chance of winning.

1843
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 2: With the NBA crack down on our pregame sh oh man,

1844
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 2: so bam, let me go and break it down for

1845
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 2: a lot of people that don't know game. So bam.

1846
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 5: So I just you know, having the incident I shot

1847
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 5: the strip club, I burnt out when y'all hit you know,

1848
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 5: by car and all that. So bam, I get suspended

1849
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 5: seven games soon as I get traded to Golden State.

1850
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 2: Okay, so my.

1851
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,480
Speaker 5: Burnout teammate right here once come up with a handshake

1852
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 5: where I slap everybody, and when I get to him,

1853
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 5: I put my hands up, but he patted me down.

1854
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 6: But he certain we need this like two or three times,

1855
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 6: a stern call like hemn no wet even be doing

1856
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 6: Dallas playoff?

1857
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 2: Wow, but for more time. But it's good. He liking

1858
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 2: the worries to speak me anyway. Yeah, guy's had a

1859
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 2: bad name already. This got on the team, right.

1860
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 3: But if you think about it, the opposite of like,

1861
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 3: you know, you're not really doing anything wrong.

1862
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: Having fun. Yeah you was laughing at you mad the

1863
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 2: light of a bad situation. You know what I mean. Okay,

1864
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: you you came out of it, you know what I mean,

1865
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 2: because it.

1866
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 3: Could have been a part you didn't. You know what

1867
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 3: I mean. It's almost a point you wouldn't even be

1868
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 3: there to be doing that, you know what I mean?

1869
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 2: All right, quick hit this first thing to come to mind.

1870
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: Let us know, top five receivers in the NFL today,

1871
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 2: oh tonight, it would be a top five receiver. People

1872
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 2: played overt. I don't know, they got nice today.

1873
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 3: I would say, you gotta say, Jefferson, Uh, what's the

1874
01:22:50,920 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 3: guy in Cincinnati Bingles chased? Uh, Davante Adams Uh oh yeah,

1875
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 3: definitely Tyreek Hill and uh and I say, I'm gonna

1876
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 3: put my guy DK Metcalf in there. I'm yeah, yeah,

1877
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 3: that's yet yeah yeah, yeh prototype you know.

1878
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 4: What I mean.

1879
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,799
Speaker 2: Which they were to get in the Jets Garrets Wilston.

1880
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's early, you know what I mean? Yeah?

1881
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you look at the look at the

1882
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 3: play that he made the other night. If you think

1883
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 3: about they caught it, they could have easily lost that game. Yeah,

1884
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,679
Speaker 3: we're gonna praise Zach Wilson for winning. And then obviously

1885
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 3: to walk off with is a kick return to pumper turn.

1886
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 3: But but again that was a difficult catch. He had

1887
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 3: to go across his body to make that happen. If

1888
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 3: you think about that's not an accurate throw. He made

1889
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: the quarterback look good in that.

1890
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 2: Situation, you get what I'm saying.

1891
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 3: So to do that then gain control by control catch it,

1892
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 3: and they needed that, you know, based on the on

1893
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 3: the heels of what it transpired, Like said, with Aaron

1894
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 3: going down, you know and four plays in that that

1895
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 3: city needed that at that time. So again, like I said, Garrett,

1896
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 3: well he's on his way. But again you can't, like

1897
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 3: I say, you can't like great recognition. But it's like

1898
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 3: a lot of guys, even with Obj that's my guy,

1899
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 3: a lot of people like, yeah, he's progressively, like he

1900
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 3: was trending, yeah, to be one of those guys, but

1901
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 3: then injury's played it a little bit. So again, Mike Gavin,

1902
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: I mean, but again it's one of those he's quiet,

1903
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 3: one of those quiet guys.

1904
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 2: He's massing the numbers. Even Chris God went over there.

1905
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: He's good as well, you know what I mean.

1906
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 3: But you think the guys are like really making noise

1907
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,799
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, that's really standing out, that's trending.

1908
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 2: Well, there's the top ten. Who's that.

1909
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 3: There's Bryant I don't know, and the top ten I

1910
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 3: don't know if he's in the top top of.

1911
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: I have to see another top of. I have to

1912
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 2: see bro. There's a lot of receivers. But I didn't

1913
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, not this Brian. I said, this

1914
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 2: is Brian. I'm thinking, see lamb. Excuse me, oh city Lamb.

1915
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: He's on his way.

1916
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 3: He's trending. He's had the true JAC three is there?

1917
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 2: See hey?

1918
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 3: But again, my thing with those guys like to be

1919
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 3: a number one, you got to be a game change.

1920
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 3: You got to be a playmaker, not just a playmaker.

1921
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 3: You got to be a game changer. If you're not

1922
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 3: that for your team in that game changing situation these

1923
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,879
Speaker 3: years that they've been on the cusp of making the playoffs,

1924
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 3: not making the playoffs, he has to be that guy

1925
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 3: when their running game wasn't where it was. You got

1926
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 3: to be that guy to change the game that they

1927
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 3: go to like yo, I can make a play, I

1928
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 3: can turn something into nothing. Granted he has the skill

1929
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 3: set and ability to do what he's doing. But do

1930
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 3: you see him as a game changer?

1931
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 2: Right? Type of player play? You get what I'm saying.

1932
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's one thing to you know, talk

1933
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 3: about being a number one, but what is being number

1934
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 3: one receiver?

1935
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: Me?

1936
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 3: Like you got to be that Like, yeah, you gotta

1937
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 3: be that dog, you know what I mean, like coach

1938
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 3: dialing up plays I want. I didn't know this until

1939
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 3: I started to become who I became with, you know,

1940
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 3: underneath behind Jerry, like they had a game plan, our

1941
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 3: regular game plan. They had game plans where they had

1942
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 3: Jerry plays where they know, like in certain situations down

1943
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 3: or we go un to him and this play.

1944
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: Bro.

1945
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 3: They started doing that for me. Bro when they got

1946
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 3: rid of him, for me to feel his shoes, Bro,

1947
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 3: I knew I was hour at that point. I knew

1948
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 3: You're right, Yep.

1949
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't to say it. I'm him. I don't even

1950
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 2: want to say I'm here, But I was that guy,

1951
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1952
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 3: Because like I said, I fill some shoes everybody for

1953
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 3: the number of years that he played there, and they

1954
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 3: again they drafted JJ to do what I eventually end

1955
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 3: up doing. But I learned a lot, not only from

1956
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 3: JJ and Jerry, But I learned a lot from everybody

1957
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,560
Speaker 3: that came every receiver that came in there, because it

1958
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 3: was something special about him. That's what made me wanted, like, man,

1959
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 3: how can I get you know, look, this little will

1960
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 3: go to my game, get you know, get away the

1961
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 3: capability I had, I had the physical part. I had

1962
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 3: to add some of the finess part to the game.

1963
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 3: Then I just it just started just building every year.

1964
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 3: Then I started doing with the smaller guys. You making

1965
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 3: guys miss catching out on them. That's what made me me.

1966
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 3: You think all teams need to be playing on grass,

1967
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 3: I mean, they're they all have is their advantages and disadvantages.

1968
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 3: Of course, like I said, you know, for running backs

1969
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 3: or like say, receivers. We feel like sometimes playing on

1970
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 3: turf makes you faster, you know what I mean. But

1971
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 3: I understand the safety part of it as well. You know,

1972
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 3: turf doesn't give like grass, you know what I mean.

1973
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 3: So there are some injuries that probably not probably that

1974
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 3: would have been prevented had they been played on grass

1975
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 3: as opposed to the turf. So you know, like I said, it's.

1976
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 2: Up for players.

1977
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 3: Like I said, we can say what we want, voice opinion,

1978
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 3: what we need, but it's ultimately up to the league

1979
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 3: to do what they need to do to make Yeah,

1980
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 3: if you want to talk about player safety, just you know,

1981
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 3: all all across the board.

1982
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 2: Sound track Peel like three songs. Oh man, that's crazy.

1983
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 2: He sounds. Oh man, y'all throw we went on here, boy,

1984
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: songs are artists. You don't want artists, man, I like, uh,

1985
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 2: I like two chains like some of this stuff. Uh

1986
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 2: uh uh Tupac.

1987
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 4: And uh.

1988
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah Tupap. I mean I get throw Biggie in there too. Man.

1989
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 2: If you look at it, are you wrong? Yeah, you

1990
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 2: can't do wrong.

1991
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, any of those right there. If I can find

1992
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: the soundtrack in some of those songs.

1993
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 8: You know, with some of those artists to go with me,

1994
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, if you could lake up

1995
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 8: with one QB with the big through your career, yeah,

1996
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 8: Joe Montanna, Like I said, just you look at.

1997
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 3: The production that Jerry Rice had with Joe. Look at

1998
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 3: his production that he had with Steve. It's it's crazy.

1999
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 3: I mean he didn't have a off off really in quarterback.

2000
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 3: One was right in and one was left handed. It

2001
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 3: was nice, you know what I mean, both of them lights,

2002
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 3: both of them Hall of famers.

2003
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: I seen what Randy did with T Brady, I would

2004
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 2: love to see. That's what I'm saying, Bro, exactly.

2005
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 3: Like again, I understand I had to tailor my game

2006
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,679
Speaker 3: obviously to Jeff Garcia's game, our offense tailor to Jeff

2007
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 3: Garcia's game, because he wasn't those typical pro typical quarterbacks that.

2008
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 2: We were mentioning there weren't.

2009
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 3: He wasn't a stand in the pocket presence, big arm

2010
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 3: can make every throw from from either side of the field.

2011
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 2: But again, we made it work, you know what I mean.

2012
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I had to make it work,

2013
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: you know I mean.

2014
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 3: Because those are, like I said, all the quarterbacks, like

2015
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,759
Speaker 3: I said that, you know, I know they probably wouldn't

2016
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 3: have the career.

2017
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 2: I know I wouldn't have the career that I had,

2018
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I masked the numbers

2019
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 2: that I did without a quarterback. But equally they got

2020
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 2: to say too that they.

2021
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 3: You know, if they didn't have me, they weren't able

2022
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 3: to do you know the things.

2023
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 2: That they did. Is right. I've done a guess that

2024
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 2: are alive you plus five, I'm gonna go. I go.

2025
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 4: Uh Martin Luther King Uh Obama, I go Jordan's uh

2026
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 4: I go, I go Oprah and uh.

2027
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,560
Speaker 3: I guess about like Warren Buffett, Warren Buffett, you know

2028
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 3: somebody you know that's that's monster. Yeah, but yeah, who

2029
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 3: would you like to see on all the smoke?

2030
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 2: But before you answer that question, you have to help

2031
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 2: us get your answer. Well, I ain't missed, I ain't, mister,

2032
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,759
Speaker 2: right back right back to older smoke. Definitely a gimmick

2033
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 2: to it.

2034
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 3: Oh wow, wow, who would I like to hand on

2035
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 3: older schmokes?

2036
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,560
Speaker 2: You can remember. You gotta help us so, but you

2037
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 2: know a lot of folks, Oh man, that's crazy.

2038
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 3: But the first person that came to my mind was MJ.

2039
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 3: But to get him in here in this seat, you know,

2040
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta got Kobe in here, you know

2041
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 3: what I mean?

2042
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it I did. I didn't text MJ.

2043
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 5: And any other text he can get to remind him

2044
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 5: that I text him to them on the show would

2045
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 5: be beneficial.

2046
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, I got a direct line. Yeah yeah, yeah,

2047
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 2: you know, just tell them to check them my message. Okay, man,

2048
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 2: I tell I gotta I got it. I got it

2049
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 2: the roll now, Well, T Man, we appreciate you best

2050
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 2: of luck with everything right. This was over long, overdue.

2051
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 3: Oh man, I appreciate it, man, Yeah, man, I didn't

2052
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 3: know if it was just gonna be about this, but

2053
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

2054
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's good man. I mean it came around.

2055
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't really know how I wanted to

2056
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 3: go about it, but I know I wanted to respond

2057
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 3: and I needed a platform where, like I said, nobody's

2058
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 3: not gonna judge me down and go cut up nothing,

2059
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, so people can hear my voice.

2060
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. We just hope you know

2061
01:31:59,280 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 2: how it from me.

2062
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's y'all. Boy though, I mean, that's that's

2063
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 3: y'all you want to that's but y'all got more. I

2064
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 3: didn't hung with you. Me and them ain't never hung out. Yeah,

2065
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 3: but I mean you asked me hung out.

2066
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. But I mean I just say, from a standpoint,

2067
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 2: and I'm the first one of this, I haven't been

2068
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 2: in my life come from disrespect, So I get what

2069
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 2: you're saying. But I just think at this point, but

2070
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 2: it's for me, bro, It's just like the damage has

2071
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 2: been done.

2072
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 3: Bro, Like, like people are now, like I said, from

2073
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 3: going forward, like I said, you're talking about gems, nothing

2074
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 3: to call you players coaches?

2075
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Like what what does that mean? Like what do you imply?

2076
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 2: Like what is that supposed to me?

2077
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 3: But he's, like I said, millions of people are hearing

2078
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 3: him say this, like there are businesses, they're come there,

2079
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 3: they're hearing him say this right.

2080
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's messing, like going out his weight right

2081
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 2: to do it right. And then I want to add

2082
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 2: this to please. But the fact that he says, I

2083
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 2: don't have no money.

2084
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 3: I don't I'm broke, this and that and the other

2085
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 3: that that further makes me want to kick his ass

2086
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 3: because if I kick his ass, you ain't got nothing get.

2087
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 3: You're giving a song. Since I ain't got nothing, you

2088
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 3: ain't got nothing to get. So all the slick words

2089
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 3: that you know, I feel that he was you know

2090
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,600
Speaker 3: how he would to come about it If that's the

2091
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 3: casion you want to senuate to America what you think

2092
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 3: you know about me? Like again, what you said about me?

2093
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 3: What you thought you said? You're gonna expose me for

2094
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 3: bro it's public knowledge.

2095
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 5: How about this man, y'all reach out to me and

2096
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 5: Matt let us give us the bag and we'll give

2097
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 5: them in the ring.

2098
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: Make sure they get a bag, and then they'll be

2099
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 2: over after that.

2100
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 3: And and I'm telling you right now, I'm signing up.

2101
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna. I'm signing. I'm signing. I'm signing up, Bro,

2102
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm signing. Ain't right here. We're promoting this fike

2103
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 2: right now. Already know I'm telling steven A not to

2104
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 2: sign up, Bro, already, I already know to yourself. But

2105
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna try to take the high room and oh no,

2106
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 2: I'm using it unless we all see them go viral

2107
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 2: for his boxing. But I don't want to see. I know.

2108
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm going around talking and like you, what you're saying

2109
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 2: this is going to keep that same energy, right, But

2110
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 2: you told it.

2111
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 3: You look into the camera talking about you this and

2112
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,640
Speaker 3: you ain't scared of nobody. Bro, I'm not scared of

2113
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 3: nobody either. Promote, I'm telling you.

2114
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 2: And he took his glasses off. Hey man, that's around

2115
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 2: ko one of the greatest to ever do it. You

2116
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 2: catch us on show Time Basketball, YouTube and the Ihearted

2117
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 2: platform Black Effects. See y'all next week.