WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 073121 ft. Q. Ward and Ramses Ja 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.800 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:03.640 rams Is Jah. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:11.480 I think I will be forever known as just q Bard. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.520 Hey that's enough for me, And you're not think so 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.160 well Listen, Like I said that, that works man, because 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.480 we've had we had some interesting changes around here and 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:26.400 Q word floats floats every day, and uh yeah, glad 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.800 to do another episode with you. A lot a lot 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.440 to talk about this episode, and I think we're gonna 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.559 fall on the sword this this one as well, so 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:37.159 be prepared. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.120 I got your back, man. If you falling on the sword, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.559 then we falling on the sword. It's gonna be all 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.559 three of us. It's a sword of swords. Sword is 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:45.440 the sword sword? 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.239 Listen, I can learn a lot, So how about you 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:48.400 tell me and then we'll go with that. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.400 If I'm falling on the sword with the silent w 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.480 then I'm falling on the sword with the silent w. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.639 Yes. Indeed, we'll stick around because we're going to talk 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:02.920 about that with respect to video of an officer throwing 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.640 a baggie into the back of a car and you know, 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.520 planting evidence and it's it's on camera, so we have 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.120 to talk about that. Like I said, fall on sword. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.880 But we also have to talk about another video, and 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.119 it's going to be an interesting show talking about two 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.640 videos and intas having to do with police, and you'll 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.080 find out why in just a bit. But there's another 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.600 video that came out t I actually posted it into 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.120 a video of an officer in Atlanta kicking a handcuffed 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:36.840 woman in the face, and so we're going to talk 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.760 about that as well. We do want to talk about 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:45.600 something that happened here locally where we live in Arizona. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.840 We got a visit from Jesse Jackson, and for our 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:50.960 Way Black History Fact, we're going to talk about Bob 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:52.920 Moses and I'll try to work some Jesse Jackson in 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.200 there as well. The good Reverend. Yes indeed, and you 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.720 know we have an interesting Boba this week as well. 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.360 So Become a Better Ally segment is something that I'm 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.280 very much looking forward to. But I won't dawdle too 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.840 much because I want to talk about some ebony excellence 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:16.520 that ways absolutely right. Well, all I do is win 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.800 no matter what talk to me. There was a movie 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:26.840 trailer for It's called King Richard. King Richard from Compton, Compton, California, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.280 One Time, One if you don't mark, shout out to Compton, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:36.920 place of my birth. Listen. But it basically details the 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:41.080 life of the father of Serena and Venus Williams, the 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.360 tennis stars, and how he was very motivated to, you know, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.320 have his children do better than he did and have 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:52.200 opportunities he didn't have. And I wanted to highlight this 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.600 for our Ebony excellence because I thought that it was 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:02.840 really dope to see positive representation of black fatherhood in 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.240 that space. Now I know that there was a recent 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.360 movie about Kevin Hart taking care of his daughter. I 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.639 think that in the story like the mother passed away 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.079 or something like that. The movie is called Fatherhood there 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.200 it is, Yeah, and so we want to see more 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.200 of that. This movie trailer looks excellent. I'm imagining it's 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:23.080 Will Smith that's playing King Richard, the title character. And 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.400 so just want to put that on your radar, and 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.480 obviously when it comes out, you know, we all need 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:30.440 to go and support that. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.760 The trailer is very compelling. Sure, happened to see it. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.480 You're going to want to see the movie. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.720 Yes, indeed, And you know, we around here know that 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.640 there's been a longstanding myth pervasive myth that black men 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.720 are not good fathers and not present fathers, and we 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.040 are not here for that. No, we're going to talk 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.920 about it soon. We're going to talk about that soon. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:53.960 But actually, if you don't know, the CDC did a 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.440 study in twenty fourteen that found out that actually black 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:01.760 fathers are doing best of everyone overall, the most present exactly. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.400 And so we'll talk about that in a later episode. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.400 But for now, that's our Ebony excellence for the week, 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.240 and it's time for us to get to the falling 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.760 on of the sword. So I'm gonna tell you a 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:22.080 story now. Before the show, before we started taping, Swirl, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.240 our producer and Q and I were talking and I 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.679 mentioned that I wanted to talk about a video where 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.000 and normally I would point you to our social media 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.320 and say, check out this video. But I've taken the 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.600 video down, and I'll explain why I took it down, 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.919 because normally, you know, you leave things up and you 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.040 kind of own it out publicly. But in this show, 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.800 in this space, we have been critical of a lot 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.680 of systems that are in place in this country that 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:57.320 we believe have white supremacist origins and that are perhaps 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:04.039 more harmful to especially to black and brown folks. Then 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.680 many people are aware of and we and so we 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.400 have to be critical of those systems in order to 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.960 bring attention to them. That's that's how we make it work. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.720 There's some people who protest, there's some people who you know, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.840 run for office, and then there's people like us who 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.719 work in media who have to bring attention and we 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:24.000 have to illuminate these disparities and these discrepancies, right. And 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.120 fortunately we live in a modern world where we have 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.239 social media, we're able to share videos and so forth, 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:34.400 and it has really helped bring light to a lot 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.440 of the injustices. But one of the things that comes 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.000 along with working in media is that when you get 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.960 it wrong, you have to own it. You have to 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:49.039 eat crow, and you have to be you know, you 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:55.279 have to make your you know, your recompense as substantial 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.799 as your offense right. And that's this is my belief. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.000 I recognize it. Not everyone else does this. I recognize 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.960 that if this was from the police coming to me, 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.200 that it perhaps would not be the same. But I'm 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.280 of the persuasion that two wrongs don't make a right. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.400 I'm gonna write my story the right way, and whatever 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.719 everyone else does is what they do. But early in 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.520 the week again we saw this video. And the video 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.120 is of a young black man. He's in the front 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:23.000 seat of a car. He's recording a traffic stop. There's 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.480 an officer behind him, and it's a really quick video. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.560 The officer is sort of approaching the car. The camera 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.960 angle is out the back passenger side door. The officer 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:39.400 approaches the open door and tosses a baggie that looks 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:44.279 like there's white powder into the back seat. The young 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.159 man who's in the car says, hey, that's not mine, 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.040 and you just threw that in here something like that, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.880 And to those of us looking at the video, it 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.920 looks like, okay, here's another example of an officer planting 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.799 evidence to have an excuse to make a Right now, 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.839 we know that these things have happened. We've done stories 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.680 about We've done stories of people who've been convicted of 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.880 doing this, you know, for many years. Right, so we're 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.000 well aware, certainly in black and brown communities, of officers 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.560 taking certain liberties or doing whatever it is that they 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.600 can to arrest people. And you know, these people, these officers, rather, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.240 it is our belief that they're prejudiced that they're bad officers, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.680 and on and on and on the whole story. But 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.360 in this instance where we had a video, Oh that's 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.680 a slam dunk, right, we got it. It's on video. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.440 The guy clearly walks up to the car, throws a 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.040 bag looks like powdery substance in the backseat of the car, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.600 and he did it like sort of like it almost 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.480 looked like he was being sneaky and throwing the bag 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:53.040 back there. Right, So naturally I think I might have 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.480 hit swirl. Our show producer is like, hey, so make 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.520 sure you post this on our timeline, on our social 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.080 media on Instagram so that we can discuss this our 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.160 next show. Because here's another example that we need to 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.360 bring light to. There's a lot of folks, allies, people 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.600 with support us. So maybe people in the fringes who 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.640 want to support, but maybe they haven't found the way 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.480 to really get in there. We need to let them 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.960 know these things happen, and we have more video evidence 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.720 of police misconduct and how it is affecting black and 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.040 brown citizens. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.360 And it's something that we knew, something that we know happens, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.520 but like you said, having video confirmation of it goes 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:29.080 along way. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.560 Sure. Sure, And a lot of the other episodes that 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.640 we've done where we've talked about instances like this, The 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.560 one that really stands out of my mind is where 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:40.040 an officer got convicted finally of planting evidence and writing 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.840 false police reports and doing all these sorts of things. 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.000 And there was hundreds of arrests over a career, and 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:47.920 the officer finally was convicted, and a lot of those 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.680 arrests and convictions were overturned well after the fact, after 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.360 many years of this guy being on the job. And 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.040 that's just one we've talked about. And I'm not talking 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.720 about lived experience yet. I could you know again, I'm 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.760 from Compton, So that's the LAPD For those that don't know, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.440 the LAPD, especially in the eighties and the early nineties, 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.200 was really known for being like lightweight, a criminal organization. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:16.040 Back to this video, so I really wanted this video 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.200 to be posted on our timeline to share it with people. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.480 And then of course, once we posted it and it's 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.720 already out in social media, we just shared the video 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:28.120 the same as anyone else, and all of the people 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:34.240 that support the show, that follow Civic Cipher immediately started commenting, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:35.880 like in the video like, oh my gosh, this is 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.600 a disgusting you know, blah blah, you know, police this 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.400 that and the third right, and that was that we 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.160 let the video sit there for however long, and obviously 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.760 you didn't know that it was sitting there. And I 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.040 think that maybe Swirl posted or maybe I posted. I'm 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.280 not sure, but just sat there did what it did, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.560 and then I'll call it a few days later, So 0:09:55.600 --> 0:10:02.280 this might have been Wednesday, Thursday some like that. I 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:11.439 saw another video on another website. It was the same interaction, 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.400 but it was from the officer's webcam. And that's the 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.360 funny thing about bodycam. Bodycam. That was it webcam, sorry, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.560 his bodycam. So the funny thing in the original video, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.320 the man in the passenger seat, the young black man 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.040 in the passengers seat that was filming the interaction. He says, hey, man, 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.640 I got you on video throwing that in the car, 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.360 and the officer responds says, oh, it's all good, man, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.280 I got you on video too. Is so we're all 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.760 good here, right, And it was almost like the only thing, 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.240 it looked like it was the only thing that he 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.360 could say in response to being filmed. Right, He's playing and. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.920 Got caught and can't respond like he got caught, so 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:49.640 he got to play. 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.640 It cool, like he didn't get caught. You used to happen. Right, 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.640 As it turned out when he released that bodycam footage, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.000 it shows what happened leading up to that. Now you 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:03.880 don't know this, right, Q. You don't know what happens. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.920 I have no idea, Okay, Swell, you don't know, okay. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:14.960 So the longer video shows the driver of the car 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.520 standing in front of the police car with the officer 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.000 in question and another officer I believe, Right, the driver 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.199 is searched, and there they pull a baggie out from 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.319 the driver's pocket or something like that. Right, the baggie 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.800 is empty. There's no because there were no arrests made. Right, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.080 the baggy is empty, but there is like a powdery 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.720 subs right, and it's not enough quantity for them to test, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.440 so it's you know, but it was assumed that it 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.560 could have been you know whatever. Right, So the officer 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.800 takes it, examines it, and then walks it into the 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.400 car to the backseat of the car, throws it in 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.320 the backseat of the car. Right that the guy was 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.679 just driving, And then of course the interaction, Hey bro, 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.840 why are you throwing this in the car? That's that's 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.000 not mine? You just threw that in here. I got 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.959 you on camera. Hey man, I got you on camera, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:07.760 so it's all good. Right. So it says the same 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.440 thing and then walks back or and then there's a 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.760 little bit more to the dialogue and he's like, man, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.360 I just didn't want to carry that in my hands, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:20.280 you know, you know whatever, And that's why we're eating 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:25.280 crow today, especially me because hey, let me now, I 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.720 would love to get your thoughts right, because your immediate 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.080 reaction I need, I need everyone listening to know what 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.680 that is. But I want to say this, there is 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:41.640 something to be said about waiting for the full story, right, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.360 you know, there are sometimes I don't like what I'm 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.760 about to say. You're not gonna like what I'm about 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.120 to say if you're listening to my voice. But there 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.440 are some times when we do have to wait for 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.000 there to be in the full story to be told. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.320 And I know that it's hard for us to trust 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.880 that because typically what that means is they're doing, quote, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.880 an investigation, They're going to change a couple of pieces around, 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.600 They're going to rewrite part of the story and then 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.760 when it comes out, they've exonered, they've you know, they're 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:15.719 not liable for anything, right. But I think that what 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:20.160 this has taught me at least is, you know, your 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:27.440 reactions are are well founded. Ramses, my name is Ramses. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.840 If you don't know, yes, so I'm talking to myself here. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.400 Your reactions are well founded. This is this is Maybe 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:38.440 it's cognitive bias, but this certainly reinforces your worldview, you know, 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.720 and if you get more and more of the same, 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.840 you know, your immediate reaction is to be angry and 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.960 upset and afraid and so forth, and to you know, 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.280 be doubtful of you know, what the future holds. You know, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.200 why am I coming and doing shows like this every 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.240 week if I don't believe that the world is going 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.680 to change for the better by our efforts here. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.240 Right, That's a great question I have to ask myself 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.400 from time to time, exactly. 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:10.080 But it was very humbling to watch that video where 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.439 I was like, ooh, because he the guy that was 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.400 driving the car, he had a baggie on it. And 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.040 I'm not gonna pretend like that bag was just flower. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.640 It looked exactly like what I think it was and 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.120 what you would think it was. Right. Now, that's a 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:29.320 whole separate conversation. Why are people forced to do these 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.400 sorts of things to feed their families and to take 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.160 care of themselves and have a decent living and make 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.240 their rent. You know, this guy wasn't driving a huge 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.280 escalator or anything like that. It was just a regular car, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.160 you know what I'm saying. So this guy probably is 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:42.560 just a guy trying to make ends meet the best 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.920 way he can, not making excuses for anybody. But you know, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:50.760 there's some context. But in terms of me being angry 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.160 at this officer, I recognized, like oof, you know, it's 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.840 you know, and then for all of us again waiting 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:02.640 for that whole story and having to to get on 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.040 a microphone on a show where we admittedly are very 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:10.880 critical of policing practices policing in general, and say, h 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.920 we got that one wrong. Is a part of I 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.120 think our story, and it's going to keep us honest 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.960 as we attempt to keep everyone else honest. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:29.920 Please cute falling on the sword eating crow. I think 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:34.360 that is our responsibility. Okay, And you know, we have 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.280 to hold ourselves and each other accountable to the young 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:43.160 man in the passenger seat. However, I don't think he 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.480 has to eat crow. I think to him it looked 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.960 like exactly what we thought when we saw it. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:51.160 Right. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:56.200 Imagine yourself sitting there, the officer walks up towards you 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.400 and tosses something in the back seat, and you legitimately 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.520 don't know where that came from. Like he, I think 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.880 in that space, I don't think he was like. I 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.800 don't think he was playing dumb. I think he was like, Yo, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.880 what are you doing because I'm not trying to go 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.600 to prison because you're tripping and you don't like black people. 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.640 He was wrong, but I don't think in that moment, 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.160 the way he responded was not authentic. Like, I think 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.360 he thought he saw exactly what we thought we saw, right, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.520 So it's I think it's us eating crow and falling 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.960 on the sword more than that, gentleman. I don't think 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:30.920 he set us up for the okie duck with that video, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.120 is what I mean. Like, I don't think he had 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.000 false pretensions like I'm about to pretend to be the 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.040 victim here so people can feel sorry. I think in 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:42.920 that moment, he legitimately thought, this dude is planning evidence 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:44.680 and trying to take us to jail for something that 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.480 we didn't do. Maybe maybe, And you know, I said 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.240 that for what it's worth, like, I don't. I don't 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.560 think that that video was posted by that young man 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.480 to sell us a false narrative. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:55.320 Right. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.760 The officer's body cam just had a more complete story 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.080 than even that young man and had in his position. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.360 There's no way to not. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.080 Ecro You can't even go into all the reasons why 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:14.960 we shouldn't have to and man, it's been done to 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.760 it so many times. No, No, when you're wrong, you 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.760 just are. You can't use other examples to make this. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:21.840 It's just like. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:24.879 You know, if you are a person in all of 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:29.720 your interactions with black people have been bad, you don't 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.080 get to treat me like I'm awful when you meet me. 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:34.760 And you can't point. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.480 To all these other experiences and say this is the 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.119 reason why and think that that's okay. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:44.480 So we can't do that either. We were wrong, and. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.840 Our hasteful reaction is based on some history, of course, 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:48.840 but when you're wrong, you still. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.320 Have to say so. Now, first off, thank you, because 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.800 I didn't know. That's a tough thing to deal with, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:02.720 and having a like as sort of a benevolent Well 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:04.600 that's not the right word. What am I thinking of 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.199 humbling myself? You know what I mean? And being the 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.240 only one with that energy. That's a much more scary 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.200 place to be in. But I appreciate you understanding, you 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:17.960 know why I wanted to talk about this and not 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.000 letting me spill the b and c before we did that. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:25.679 But I think there's another part of this too that 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.199 it it somebody has to go first. Here's what I 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:39.919 mean when I say that it could be you know, 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:44.640 in modern history, we'll start with the Panthers, the Black Panthers, yes, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:50.080 and we'll start with and the Oakland Police Department, right, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.960 And these two groups were at war with each other 0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:00.320 for all intents and purposes because the Panthers felt that 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:09.600 the police were overstepping brutalizing, terrorizing, robbing, killing in the 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.240 black community. And the Panthers are organized, and they bought guns. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.480 And that's why there's a lot of gun laws now 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.400 because people got real scared because you know that right 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.040 to bear arms is tricky when you know, when it's 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.800 a bunch of black people with afros and berets. Apparently, 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:29.840 in the late sixties, so anyway, the panthers in the police, right, 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.000 So you know, in terms of like a modern relationship 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.800 with black folks in the police, having it being contentious 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.800 and organized, I think that that's a great place to start. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:47.080 But I don't think that any of us on any side, 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.440 because there's a lot of police officers who are black. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.720 Granted back then there probably were way less. But we're 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:57.400 talking about the system more than just the platonic ideal 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.280 or the what pops in your mind the white male 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:05.160 police officer, because then that makes it a race thing, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.560 and it's not necessarily that it certainly runs along that line. 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.800 But there's a lot of I know, and I hope 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:14.439 that I can say his name, because I will, and 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.000 I do want to give him credit. There's an officer 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.560 that I know is his sergeant in Arizona. His name 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:24.080 is Kevin Gilliland, and I've known this man for years. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.840 He's a kind man. He did a security gig for 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:32.639 many years. When I would DJ at a jewelry store, 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.960 they did a yearly party, paid me a ton of money, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.600 and he was a security guy there and he thought 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.119 everything I did was cool. He listened to me on 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.040 the radio, and you get to know the human being. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.440 And obviously, you know, there's many years of police killings, 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:48.560 and you know, black people losing their lives at the 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.920 hands of police, you know, needlessly. And granted we only 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.520 have our powwows once a year, but he would stay 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.720 in touch with me. Maybe that had to do with 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:59.359 the fact that I was cool and I was on 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.639 the radio and I could give him concert tickets and 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.520 that sort of thing. But I like to think that 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:08.320 he actually had a heart and I provided a way 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:14.920 for him to express that. And because of the contentious 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:22.880 nature between some black organizations and the police historically, you know, 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:24.760 and because I know that we're not born to die. 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.480 That's not gonna be my story. That's not gonna be 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.880 your story. This whell is not gonna be yours. It's 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.159 not gonna be our children's story. We're not born to 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.280 go to war for our whole lives. We're not meant 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.400 to born to fight. I believe that we're born to love. 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:40.560 You know me, If you listen to the show, I'm 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.159 gonna say it a million times. I don't care if 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.040 you believe it or not. That's my belief and I'm 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:45.680 entitled to it. Plus I'm on the radio and you're 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:52.800 not so love each other right boom. But I think 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:58.640 above all of that, somebody has to go first. Somebody 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.199 has to to stop slinging mud. Somebody has to say, Okay, 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:08.199 I was wrong and start there. And if I'm in 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.480 a position where there's a microphone in front of me 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.159 and there's an audience listening, I don't mind doing that 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:20.040 because once you take off that uniform, what my father 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:27.800 taught me, Reverend Doctor Rudolph Wayne Taylor, is that all 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.160 men are my brothers and all women are my sisters. 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:33.919 I will not forget that lesson. I will not forget 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.359 it now, and I will not forget it when I 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:41.439 eat Crow for being hasty and posting my video. But 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.919 that's on me more than it's on YouTube, you know. 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:49.240