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Speaker 1: Being said, we have been recently looking into a lot

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Speaker 1: cover looked like you stole it. Yeah. And then we

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00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: Samantha and I were recently in Orlando, and of course

424
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: we went to Disney World, which in August was having

425
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: a Halloween celebration but not so scary, how Mickey is

426
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: not so scary? Halloween party and the show that night

427
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,239
Speaker 1: we watched at midnight. UM was hocus Pocus based and

428
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: it was great. And I've had Season of the Witch

429
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: stuck in my head ever since. They did a phenomenal job,

430
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: all of them that portrayed it and made this. I

431
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: was wondering how they wouldn't do this and not be

432
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: kitchy and over the top. That movie is pretty kitchy. No,

433
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: but it's so well done. Come on and yeah, it's

434
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: a great movie. And I'm excited because I want to go.

435
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I got my ticket yet, but yeah,

436
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: that movie is definitely one for all time record, like

437
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: cult classic level. I want to do next time I

438
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: met karaoke, I want to sing I put a spill

439
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: on you. Um. But yeah, I remember they grown when

440
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: they were like, it's been twenty six years. I think

441
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: all of us just grown, got angry and said why

442
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: did you? Was that necessary? Didn't remind us? But how

443
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: old we were? Dank you? But that's another Um. It's

444
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: a fun one to include on this list, I think

445
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: because their whole thing is that they're gonna suck the

446
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: youth out of your children so that they can stay beautiful.

447
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty consistent theme and a lot of

448
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: our hearts. Definitely like the snow white idea as well. Yeah,

449
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, and then you have yeah so also

450
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: the classic witches of was it of Oz you have Glinda,

451
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: the good Witch, and then the Wicked Witch of the West.

452
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: They're all female, obviously, and they all represented the goodness

453
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: and the bad and all of this, but it was

454
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: all absolutely female. And the one powerful person was a

455
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: fake but it was a man, but he was supposed

456
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: to be the all powerful who could take all of

457
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: these witches out, which I thought was kind of interesting

458
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I don't know, it's the horror movie,

459
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: but shoes sometimes when that scene comes on where she's scared,

460
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: like screeching across the sky about taking your dog when

461
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: she melts, that scared me. Yeah, And the whole idea

462
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: with Poppy Sue and we know the whole book book

463
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: in itself was political, but yeah, I always thought that

464
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: was an interesting Yeah. I debated on including them because

465
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: of Wicked because then they're kind of painted as good,

466
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: right friends and good that they have been, you know,

467
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: But I think that's the whole new thing is to

468
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: take whatever was bad. Miller, But you didn't actually know

469
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: the whole story, like Supernatural does that as well as

470
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: once once upon a time on the ABC Show they

471
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: would do that as well. Well, that's the fun part

472
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: of a complex bill and is usually they have something

473
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: that you can write really to the weird Sisters or

474
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: the wayward Sisters and from Shakespeare. Um, still the female

475
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: alien hybrid from SPC. So we're moving away from which

476
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: is now so we're moving gone, okay, so we got

477
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: the hybrid from which, by the way, super scary movie.

478
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: I just remember the one scene of her kissing and

479
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I pretty much blocked that movie from

480
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: my memory. I saw when I was a kid, and

481
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, beautiful model woman who turns

482
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: into a monster, got it? Um? And then there's Carrie

483
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: from Carrie and I know, like you were talking about

484
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: the fact that this is also probably up there with

485
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: the fact that men are terrified of menstruating women. And

486
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: even though she was not necessarily a monster, she is

487
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: telekinetic and so therefore the mother the evil mother once again. Yeah,

488
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: once again we were coming back to created this monster

489
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: who is carry Yeah, so it kind of goes back

490
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: to that mile and like theory of what is this

491
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: I never would have included carry on this list, honestly,

492
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: but she comes up on a lot of other people's list,

493
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: so I figured we should mention her. But to me,

494
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess she is telekinetic, right, So

495
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: the whole thing is, yes, this horror movie level, But

496
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: is she a monster? She becomes a monster created by

497
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: being an outcast. And of course the very obvious signs

498
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: of blood and menstruating means that she's done something evil,

499
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: which was the most of the mother has translated that

500
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: to be. And so therefore, men, if you're menstruating, your evil. Yeah,

501
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: I guess so that's what I've been told. And I

502
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: suppose along those lines, I'm a fire starter. Yeah, trying

503
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: a child that will set you a fire more as

504
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: a child, pretty scary. Yeah. H. Then there's the main

505
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: character from Teeth, which is a movie I know I've

506
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: mentioned before about Vagina Dentata. Uh, And to be clear,

507
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: Vagina Dentata is not the monster, but she uses it

508
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: in a pretty like monster type way. And yeah, I

509
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: feel like, again this reflects our anxiety around female sexuality.

510
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: You can't trust women, they aren't what they seem, um,

511
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: and this movie kind of falls into a whole genre

512
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: of women wronged and that generally means raped and then

513
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: getting revenge. And this is another genre where the monster

514
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: label can get really murky, really really I mean revenge

515
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: movies in general. Um uh, still monster perhaps, but not

516
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: really in the way we're talking about today. Right. Then

517
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: there's the creepy rogue AI, pretty often voiced by women,

518
00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: sometimes even a female avatar, like in the classic Resident Evil.

519
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking like she or no her, Well, not

520
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: a monster, but it's a um ex makina though that

521
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: is a good example, like a rogue. The new Hilary

522
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: Sweat movie that's on Netflix. She there's an AI that

523
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: takes care of this human child, and then there's a

524
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: battle between who are you going to believe who's the

525
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: actually evil villain? Oh? How interesting? Um. There are a

526
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: lot of female ghosts that are I guess evil, like

527
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: Lady in Black. That's the first one that comes to

528
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: my mind. But so there's that, you know, um, and

529
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: then there is other Mother from Coraline, which by the way,

530
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: I refused to see because it looks creepy as hell

531
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: is like I just saw the button eyes, but and

532
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: I was like, nope, it's good. It's good. Um. They

533
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: have a are they used to at the Center for

534
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: Puppet Yards. They had a little set piece from it

535
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: was haunt me. Um. And speaking of children, there's also

536
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: we see this in children's books. A recent study from

537
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: The Observer found that not only our children's books twice

538
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: as likely to contain male main characters and there are

539
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: far more likely to have speaking roles compared to female characters,

540
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: and villains were eight times more likely to be male.

541
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: And the researchers at that paper are pretty good at

542
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: explaining why that is such a problem, especially at a

543
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: formative age, something you're reading to your children or that

544
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: they're reading. Um, can we talk about why so many

545
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: of the children's books and children's stories have their parents

546
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: killed off? It's because the story wouldn't happen if someone

547
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: was there to be like, hey, kid, go into the

548
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: woods and talk to this creepy already I think it's

549
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: problematic another episode. Um. There are some famous fictional serial

550
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: killers I did want to mention because they have this

551
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: sort of supernatural element to them. Um, Jason's mom from

552
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: the original Friday the Thirteenth, Although Jason is more the

553
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: one that's like if you've seen the whole series, which

554
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: I embarrassingly have. Um, he's like a demon, right, but

555
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: there's a whole thing. Um. And then Mrs Lomas from

556
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Scream Too, because I love Scream Too and I just

557
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: watched it. How did that come up? Yesterday? You were talking,

558
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: oh when you put a reference to that, and no

559
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: one except for Lauren from Saber and we were all like, hell, Cassandra,

560
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Lauren's always got my back, She's got

561
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: your story. Um. And there are some famous, not so

562
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: recent ish examples, like the Bride of Frankenstein from five,

563
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: who doesn't show U until the very end of the film.

564
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: And I read very funny, like two different interpretations of

565
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: this film. Either the bride screwed everything up by rejecting

566
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: the monster because if you don't know at the end,

567
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: she's like no, or the monster was an entitled doe

568
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: got mad't know, lady're rejecting him, which consign sounds one

569
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 1: and the same again because of rejection towards the monster

570
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Man Man Monster. How interesting. Then there's Jacula's daughter from

571
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: ninety six, who tries to overcome the curse of her

572
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: father by finding an immortal mate. Okay, I gotta find

573
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: a man or else you're doing to monster hood. And

574
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: then there's the Invisible Woman who has an invisible baby

575
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: with an invisible man. Of course, oh, how could you

576
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: imagine if it would it be half invisible? So would

577
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: it be like if she went with a not invisible man, oh,

578
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: assuming it had a lot um. Then there is the

579
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: cat Woman from Cat People, which is the n film

580
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: about a woman who can't have sex or she'll turn

581
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: into a panther. I mean we all know that, right

582
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: every time I have sex to a cat of some sorts. Um,

583
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: And that movie plays a lot with gas lighting, because

584
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: even when there is like scientific evidence that yes, she

585
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: does her into a panther she has sex, no one

586
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: believes her. Of course, the evils women in sex. Then

587
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: there is the wasp Woman from The Lost Woman. This

588
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: film depicts a woman who successfully founded a cosmetic company

589
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: but is desperate to find a way to maintain her youth.

590
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: Her cosmetics are not doing it for her, so she

591
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: formulates an anti aging product with royal jelly from bees,

592
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: with herself as the test subject. But of course side

593
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: effects may include turning into a lost woman. I feel

594
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: like we definitely have a theme here with the whole

595
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: age and baby. Definitely blood and sex because I'm just

596
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: thinking about the fact that who who was the the

597
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: woman who bathes herself in blood trying to stay younger,

598
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: but she was an actual woman, um, and that was

599
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that kind of that whole monster

600
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: theme began because of her legend. But anyway, I just

601
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I just find that fascinating. And then we have the

602
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: young pigtailed girl from nineteen The Bad Seed, which, by

603
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: the way, I'm going to these last three movies we

604
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: just talked about. I have no idea what these movies are.

605
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: I've never heard of these movies, and I'm both horrified

606
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: and intrigued. Yeah, well I've seen I haven't seen um like,

607
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: I've seen them maybe once when I was young. Uh,

608
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking they were kind of silly.

609
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: But the Bad Seed did scare me actually, um, but

610
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: worth checking out if you're at all interested in this

611
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: female monster thing. Um. We have some female monsters of history.

612
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,799
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613
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614
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: one of the first female monsters that comes from my

615
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: mind in an old school is the Gorgon slash Medusa

616
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: from Greek mythology is actually one of the first things

617
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: that I was ever proud of drawing. But then I

618
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: had to admit that I traced it when everyone was

619
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: complimenting me and asking me how I drew such a

620
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: good pa, I traced it. I would have believed it. Um.

621
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: To fill you in on her back story, the god

622
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: Poseidon raped her in Athena's temple, uh, and Athena, outraged

623
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: that this could happen in her temple, punished who Medusa.

624
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: This is such a biblical Old Testament idea, the thought

625
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: being with this punishment that she's so hideous men that

626
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: dared to look upon her would turn to stone. Then

627
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: it would never happen again. Of course that's like the

628
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: easiest way. Um. So that is an example of women

629
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: not supporting women and some of that. Yeah, yeah, I

630
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: think that's the pretty we can say that with confidence.

631
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: And some versions of this tale Perseus state this is

632
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: a well earned punishment for Medusa. That's the most terrifying

633
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: thing of the story. I feel like, yeah, that translates

634
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: a little too well. I know, I'm very uncomfortable with

635
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: how well it translates. So Another female monster from the

636
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: Greek mythology are the sirens, who lured mostly male sellers

637
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: to their destruction with their beautiful songs. The most well

638
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: known depiction is in the Odyssey, ody Has, warned of

639
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: their power, had himself tied to his ship's mass while

640
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: his crew put wax in their ears to block out

641
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: the sirens call. These creatures, by the way, were hybrids

642
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: with the bodies of birds and the heads of women,

643
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: which that's sexy sexy uh. And in some tales they

644
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: were persephonese companions, and when they failed to stop her rape,

645
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: they were turned into sirens, which seems to be a

646
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: common theme in Greek mythology punishing women for rape. It

647
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: seems to be it's already come up twice to exist,

648
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: so the sirens seemed to originate after the Greeks had

649
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: contact with Eastern art. Sirens were extremely confident in their talents.

650
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: They unsuccessfully challenged the Muses, and the Muses being the

651
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: nine Greek goddesses of various arts. Legend goes a sign

652
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: invested in musically by mortal must die. Also in the Odyssey,

653
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: Scilla and Carabas sisters who were cursed to be ugly

654
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: as punishment for their misdeeds. No greater punishment of course.

655
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Um Sila was a six headed rock monster. Why wild

656
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: Cards was a sea monster just snacking on poor loss sailors.

657
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: You know I could do so sad. Then there are heartpies,

658
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: Greek and Roman mythical monsters with the body of a bird,

659
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: usually a vulture, and the face of an old woman.

660
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: In early legends they were not depicted that way, but

661
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: in the legend of Jason and the Argonauts, which is

662
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: probably one of the most well known uh, they were

663
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: portrayed as half bird, half women and quite revolting, like

664
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: they stank. They stole your food, and that was one

665
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: of the first times that it was written this kind

666
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: of signature move of theirs, that they steal your food. Um.

667
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: Their name is derived from a Greek word meaning snatchers.

668
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: They abducted people, usually evildoers, and cruelly punished them while

669
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: taking them to the furies. They are thought to The

670
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: harpies are thought to represent wind spirits, in my opinion,

671
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: most terrifyingly portrayed in the Last Unicorn. And in case

672
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: you're wondering, there is in fact an entire essay written

673
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: about the Feminism of the Last Unicorn, and I have

674
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: read it. Really I love that movie. It's on my

675
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: list of terrifying children's You had to be it, must

676
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: have you must have rented it because you were too

677
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: young for that movie. We owned it. I don't know

678
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: that we're talking about the Tom Cruise movie Tom Crew.

679
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm that's legend. That's legend.

680
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: So confused because legend has it is based on a

681
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: unicorn is Oh my god, and that's Tim Curry being

682
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: a frightening, frightening Well, I want to see this. Its

683
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: poor quality. That's the Last Corn Okay, okay, okay, yeah,

684
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: now I'm there. Never mind keeping two movies to watch. Um.

685
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: This whole thing, the heartbe is where the insult heartpie

686
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: comes from, meaning a foul or unpleasant woman. UM. A

687
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: picture of a rare heartpie eagle went viral yesterday as

688
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: we record this, due to its resemblance to a human. Um.

689
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: It really is cool. Look it up like this. This eagle,

690
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: in in particular, which is named after the herpe from

691
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: Greek mythology, looks amazing and weird and you can't believe

692
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: it exists. So check it out. And that that that

693
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: brings us to the furies or the arenes or the

694
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: human ideas from Greco Roman mythology, and these are the

695
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: goddesses of vengeance, frequently depicted as how with snakes in

696
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: their hair and snakes wrapped around their arms, and blood

697
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: dripping from their eyes, dressed in black, carrying whips. In

698
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: their first incarnation, they were the ghost of murdered people,

699
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: or perhaps like curses comb to life. The Greek poet

700
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: Hessiad conceived of them as the daughters of Gaya Argaia

701
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: birth from the blood of her murdered spouse Urinus, as

702
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: a pretty dark origin story. The first to describe them

703
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: in three, because normally now we think of them in

704
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: threes was Euripides. Eventually they were named Alecto which means

705
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: unceasing and anger tis a phony, avenger of murder, and

706
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: mcgara jealous and I got that pronunciation from the animated Hercules,

707
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: so that is probably not correct, although that is an

708
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: interesting kind of side because there are three I believe

709
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: there's three characters that kind of represent the furies in

710
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: that movie. Um. They the furies were frequently depicted as

711
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: spirits of the underworld that came to the of Us

712
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: to punish the wicked, particularly crimes around family and oaths.

713
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: Their punishment could be something like disease or madness. They

714
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: were so feared by the Greeks that they referred to

715
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: the furies and euphemistic terms like the furies or the

716
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: gracious ones, like be nice to them, call them nice things,

717
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: maybe they'll leave you alone. In the Iliad, they cloud

718
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: people's judgment and reason. Homer wrote that they had no

719
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: pity in their hearts, and they are sometimes called the

720
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: daughters of night. They are the embodiment of righteous rage,

721
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: and as such there are a lot of feminist articles

722
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: written about them as well. A pretty current um also

723
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: now the name of an Australian slasher movie is it? Yeah,

724
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: that's what there was first results when I was searching

725
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: on Google. I feel like I need to try to

726
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: check that out. Of course, there's the succubus or that

727
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: which lies beneath. Check out the full episode in our

728
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: archives are more, but briefly, the succubus is a female

729
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: sexual demon. That's my nickname playing. The legend of the

730
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: psucupus is thousands of years old and transcend culture as

731
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: jins and Arabic cultures. This demons m is approaching men

732
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: while they're sleeping and seducing them. Laura suggests succubus are

733
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: the descendants of Lilith, which we're gonna get into in

734
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: a second, because I know you're super excited about that.

735
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: The succubus has taken on a sort of cultural second

736
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: win lately. You can see that on our classic episode

737
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: Can You Have Sex with a Ghost? Which is okay um,

738
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: And also apparently that's where we talked about y'all talk

739
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: about Kesha reported having sex with a ghost. Yeah, and

740
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: that plays into a lot of um, sleep paralysis. Uh,

741
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: there's very many actually scientific research into that very phenomenon.

742
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, check out that classic for more on that one.

743
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: Then there's Banshees, another pretty famous female monster, although I

744
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: guess she's just kinda trying to warn you generally. Um,

745
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: she's from This is from Irish and Scottish lower. Sometimes

746
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: the ghost of an old maid wailing about your impending

747
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: probably violent death. Sometimes the visage of a beautiful maiden

748
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: weeping about your impending death and some retelling. She can

749
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: be found washing her flooded clothes in the river or

750
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: brushing her hair with a silver comb, and modernly people

751
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: think this this myth originated from the sounds of barn owls.

752
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: And when I read that, I was like, oh, I

753
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: can see that, because I've heard one. I had just

754
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: watched the Mothman prophecies and there was a barn owl

755
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: or a screech owl outside my window and it scared me, so,

756
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, I thought it was a mothman. But

757
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: the next day my neighbor, who's kind of she knows

758
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: a lot about nature, was like, no, that was just

759
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: now you're fine. Um. But they also have kind of

760
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: like white plumage that can look like a face, um,

761
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: And they're very silent when they fly. So I can

762
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: see how you might think it's a wheeling ghost of

763
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: a woman who's warning you about your death because you're

764
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: just anxious all the time. Well, I guess some warning

765
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: would be good. It's a nerving sound. Oh my gosh. Well,

766
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: then we have Grendel's mother from Beowulf, who is described

767
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: as a woman monster wife. Embodying both light and dark

768
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: sides of the feminine seems to be a common theme.

769
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: When she's first mentioned in the poem, she's described as

770
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: an avenger once against avenge revenge. There is a lot

771
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: of themes of like getting justice, punishing people for doing wrong, um,

772
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: and then there This is one of the most interesting

773
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: inclusions on our list. I think Baba Yaga here we

774
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: go from Russian folklore. I had to really try to

775
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: keep raining in and they will not make the whole

776
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: upset about her. She lives in a hut that has

777
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: chicken legs. In some versions it spins on top of

778
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: eggs and is bodecked in skulls, and she travels herself

779
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: via mortar, mortar and festal. When someone visits her, she

780
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: may eat you or offer to help you. That's the

781
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: interesting thing about Bobby Iaga that a lot of UH

782
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: historians think is unique is because in the very same

783
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: story she can be like a trickster, murderer, a helper

784
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: all in one woman. We contain multitudes um. Bobby i

785
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: Aga is frequently depicted as an old woman crone or

786
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: hag could be applied here nar old and toad like

787
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: with long stringing gray hair and iron teeth or no teeth.

788
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes she has written as traveling with death and feeding

789
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: on deaths, newly released souls and yes, when looking at

790
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: the wealth of information that has been written about her,

791
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: she is sometimes maternalistic and others cannibalistic. Probably the most

792
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: famous instance of Bobby Aga in literature is from Vasilisa

793
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: the Beautiful. This Russian fairy tale follows Vashalisa, whose mother

794
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: died when she was young. Before her death, the mother

795
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: gave her a doll like no other doll in the world,

796
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: instructing her daughter to never let anyone see it and

797
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: carry it with her always. Those dolls, Those damn dolls,

798
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: Those damn dolls. I actually, I actually pitched a whole

799
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: episode on why do we think dolls are creepy? And

800
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: everyone was like, no, I wanted to know. Um okay,

801
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, if she's carrying it with her always and

802
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: if she's ever threatened by evil sorrow, the mother tells

803
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: Vashaaliza to find an isolated corner or someplace that people

804
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: won't see her, take the doll out, feed it, give

805
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: it a little something to drink, and then tell it,

806
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: um what's bothering her? And then the doll gets her

807
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: some advice or will. And not soon after her mother's death,

808
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: vashially said does this, She takes up the doll feeds

809
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: it a little, gives it a drink, and then tells

810
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: it about her grief of her mother dying, and the

811
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: doll listens and then says, grief is worse at night

812
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: and morning is wiser in the evening, and suggested that

813
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: Vashalisa go to sleep, and Vashi Lisa found that she

814
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: did feel better the next day. Meanwhile, her father had

815
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: found a new wife, a widower about his age with

816
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: two daughters. The woman and her children moved into their house,

817
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: and Vasha Lisa quickly realized that her father's new wife

818
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: was quite cruel. She wanted her father's wealth, and her

819
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: and her daughters were envious of vasha Lisa's beauty. By

820
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: giving her a lot of menial and difficult chores, they

821
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: hoped to diminish her beauty, but Vashaalisa was resilient and

822
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: she has that special doll. Years went by this way

823
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: until Vasha Lisa reached marrying age oh no, and everyone

824
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: wanted to marry her, of course, um and this made

825
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: her stepmother and sisters even angrier. So when Vashelisa's father

826
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: left to make a journey to another sardom, his wife

827
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: packed up to all the stuff sold his house and

828
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 1: moved everybody herself were daughters and Bashaalisa to a sad

829
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: neighborhood bordering the wild woods outside of town, and every

830
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: day her stepmother sent bass Elisa into the woods to

831
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: compete various tasks. The stepmother did this knowing that Boba

832
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: Yaga lived in these woods, who people believed eight people

833
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: like one eats chickens and delicious. Her hope was that

834
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: Vasha Lisa would encounter Boba Yaga and be eaten. The

835
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: doll knew of Bobby Yaga and warned Vasha Lisa not

836
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: to approach the hut on chicken legs fair, But the

837
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: stepmother was determined and with the help of her daughter's

838
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: orchestrated a situation where Vasha Lisa had to go to

839
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: Baby Yaga to get more fire um. But Vasha Lisa

840
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: does all of this instead of getting eaten. Bobby Iaga

841
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: just is like, here's some impossible to ask, Let's see

842
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: if you can do them. And because she has that doll,

843
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: Vasha Lisa succeeds in these tasks and as a reward,

844
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: Bobbyaga gives her one of her skull lanterns Awesome when

845
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: Vasha Lisa returns home. The lantern sets the home of

846
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: her terrible new family flame, killing them, and then she

847
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: goes on to marry the Tsar the end however, after

848
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: in this story, it's a great example Babba Yaga fiel

849
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: filling many roles um, similar to what we discussed in

850
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: our episode around the Mother Destroyer. Sometimes in other stories

851
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: she is depicted as a goddess um or in others

852
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: the manifestation of winter storms. Perhaps because of this enigmatic nature,

853
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: she has become quite the popular figure on the internet,

854
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: and yes is sometimes it's jokingly referred to as a

855
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: feminist icon. I'm not mad that no, No, she unseated

856
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: the Mermaid and Jezebel's next top creature race, beating out

857
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: the Siren. That's fantastic. And in two thousand thirteen, the

858
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: feminist website The Hairpin launched an advice column called Asked

859
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: Baba Yaga that eventually became a book called Asked Babba

860
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: Yahuga Otherworldly Advice for Everyday Troubles. The book's author, Tasia

861
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: Kaskaya said of Baba Yaga that image of an old

862
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: woman living in the woods doing whatever she wants all

863
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: day long continue used to be the dream for myself.

864
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: I love that I'm with her. I want to be there. Um.

865
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: And then, when trying to get to the bottom of

866
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: Bobba Yaga's popularity, academics thought it might be due to

867
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: her ability to house a paradox the good, the evil,

868
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: and the in between, to live outside moral codes and

869
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: for women, specifically, her rejection of society's rules. Yeah, boom,

870
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: I could see it, because I mean clearly I got

871
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: I was you are like and you know what with

872
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: all that? Yeah, let me do that. Um. And if

873
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: you want to learn more about Bobby Yaga, you should

874
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: check out the Stuff you missed in History Class episode,

875
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: which is our podcast done by some of our wonderful

876
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: co workers here, wonderful Piz Didira and Bobby Yaga. And briefly,

877
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: if you're wondering, Pizza Diira is a supernatural crone from

878
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: Brazilian folklore who lies and wait on roofs at night,

879
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: waiting for some poor soul with a full stomach to

880
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: fall asleep on their backs, stomach pacing up so that

881
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: they can jump and trample on them. H And yeah,

882
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: there is an entire scientific study examining Pizza Diira and

883
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: her connection to sleeper elsis specifically her. That's a great monster.

884
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: Roll over, just roll over. Now, all they do is

885
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: jump on your stomach. It's like a cartoon coming to

886
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: Life's amazing. Well, you know, I'm sure it's probably pretty violent.

887
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: I sure. I mean if you really get down to it.

888
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: But then at the time time you're like what my

889
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: cousin used to tell me that if I fell asleep

890
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: on my back, I wouldn't survive to see the morning.

891
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: Into this day, I can't sleep on my back. Yeah,

892
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: it's because she said there was something like waiting under

893
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: your bed and it would it could only stab you

894
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: through the back. So to this day, I cannot sleep

895
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: on my back. A really specific tale, it was. It

896
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: was quite specific. Speaking of specific tales, this brings us

897
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: is probably my favorite part, right. Lilith lilith Um and

898
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: some Jewish religious interpretations. Lilith, who was Adam's first wife,

899
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: went on to become the mother of all the monsters,

900
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 1: so the mother of everything we're talking about here, after

901
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: refusing to submit to the missionary position like sexual mission. Yes, cool, Okay,

902
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: So this whole idea of like the missionary position and

903
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: all that this comes from a medieval Jewish text called

904
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: the Alphabet of Binsurah, which a lot of historians believe

905
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: could be satirical. Um. But okay, Lilith was created with

906
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: the earth, as was Adam, and had many strong opinions

907
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: from love. Very start, she said to Adam, I will

908
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: not lie below, to which he responded, I will not

909
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: lie beneath you, but only on top, for you are

910
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: fit only to be in the bottom position, while I

911
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: am to be the superior one. Lilith snapped back, we

912
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both

913
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: created from the earth. And then when Adam still wouldn't

914
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: like listen to her, she flew away. She she took

915
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: God's name in vain, which was a huge Judeo um,

916
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: and flew away. And then Adam was like, oh God,

917
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: like literally God, she flew away, What will I do?

918
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: And God sent three angels after her to persuade Lilith

919
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: to return, inform her that if she refused, one of

920
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: her children, a ka demons would die each night. And

921
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: lili refused. She said nope, I'm not coming back, and

922
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: she promised to leave children human children who wore an

923
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: amulet to ward her off alone. So because she was like,

924
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: I won't eat all of your human children as long

925
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: as they take some precautions. They threatened to drown her

926
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: in the I think the Red Sea, when that's why

927
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: she agreed. Um, and yes, there was an ancient practice

928
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: of giving children an ambulance inscribed with the names of

929
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: the three angels that was meant to keep Olilith away.

930
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: Lilith also is frequently condemned for wondering about at night,

931
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: vexing the sons of men and causing them to defile themselves.

932
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: Oh jeez. Lilis story is complex and fascinating. The first

933
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: known reference of her goes back to Samrian list of

934
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: demons from two thousand, four hundred BC. Lelu demons were

935
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: similar to Succuby, who seduced sleeping men in order to

936
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: produce demonic children. Iterations of her appeared in ancient Egyptian, Greek,

937
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: and Israeli legends. Got the name checked her and Fast

938
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: in Ulysses by James Joyce, she is labeled as the

939
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: patron of abortions. In C. S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia,

940
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: she is the ancestor of the White which I didn't

941
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: know that She's mentioned in the Chronicles of Naria. A

942
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: tablet from the seventh or eighth century BC found in

943
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: Syria mentioned Lilith, ohe you who fly in the darkened room,

944
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: be off with you? This instant Lilith, thief, breaker of bones,

945
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: so scary like that, I'm gonna put that out somewhere.

946
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: In some versions of the story she made it with

947
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: the archangel Samuel. In other versions a demon which I've

948
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: seen versions where she's sister God, not necessarily the darkness

949
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, but not necessarily the wife of Adam. Yeah,

950
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's another thing, is there is interpretation around

951
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: that she never was Adam's wife. Um. A lot of

952
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: discussion around the lift. But when we wanted to touch

953
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: on Judas Plasco wrote a parable in nineteen seventy two

954
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: about her about Lilith called the Coming of Lilith, reframing

955
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: the story in a similar way that Wicked did with

956
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz as we could win to the West.

957
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: In the parable, she fled for refusing to be treated

958
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: as lesser than Adam, who she regarded as her equal,

959
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: and was viciously slandered for it. And then she and

960
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: even looking for some women some support, they became fast friends,

961
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: and Lilis sort of became a feminist hero after that,

962
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: an image helped along by the nineteen six launch of

963
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: Lilith magazine, complete with the tagline independent, Jewish and frankly feminist.

964
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: And in the all female music festival, it is fair,

965
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: of course, a little fair. I love that. And then

966
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, as you were talking about the retelling of

967
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: the stories, and like a lot of the pop culture,

968
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: which has been a new thing to bring Lilith back

969
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: up supernatural that kind of revamped her story and that

970
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: as well, and she was also in True Blood. They

971
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: don't necessarily revamp part of that storyline. Um, but some

972
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: modern witches and pagans invoke Lilith in their practices and rights,

973
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: especially those involving the darker side of the feminine. So yeah,

974
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: like goals around money or writers. Yeah, which if any

975
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: listeners are involved, and uh, these kinds of practices and rights,

976
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: So we'd love to hear from Oh my gosh, I

977
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: could talk about Lilith. There's so much to say about this. Actually,

978
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: one of my favorite books is um called Lilith, and

979
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of reclaiming the name because then for a

980
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: while the name was just seen as like evil. I

981
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: do like this brings us to the end of our

982
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: history of monsters, even though there's so many that we

983
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: could include, and so many of these that could be

984
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: fleshed out into full episodes. But I do think it's

985
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: interesting ending on Lilith, like this mother of monster idea

986
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: that we've been touching on the whole time. Um, and

987
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: we can see these themes over and over again of

988
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: like motherhood and revenge and justice and just kind of punishing, right,

989
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: which is the dark side of the feminine. I mean,

990
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: Lilith is kind of the ark of being a feminist

991
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: saying hell no, hell no. Okay, well, yeah, we have

992
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more for you, but first we're going

993
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: to pause for one more quick break forward from our sponsor,

994
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you monsters,

995
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: and also thank you sponsors who are not monsters. Well

996
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: it's on my brain, okay, yes, Um. We did want

997
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: to touch on some things that are changing because we

998
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: have given what I feel like are some pretty great

999
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: examples of female monsters and what they can be. We've

1000
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: given some not so great ones as well, but there

1001
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: is still this monster gap that we touched on the

1002
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: beginning um and some badass women out there are trying

1003
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: to make things more equal when it comes to our

1004
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: betrayal around monsters. Theodora Goss got a pH d in

1005
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: English in part by writing a four page dissertation on

1006
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: Victorian monsters, and she wanted to remedy this whole thing,

1007
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: or at least do her part to remedy it, by

1008
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: writing a short called The Mad Scientist's Daughter, which follows

1009
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: Katherine Monroe, Justine Frankenstein, and Diana Hyde. And she built

1010
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: upon that universe with the novel The Strange Case of

1011
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: the Alchemist's Daughter, which I kind of love that. Yeah,

1012
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: I love the whole plotline. And when it comes to

1013
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: out entertainment, for so long, women have only been allowed

1014
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: to exist within the framework of the male gaze. And

1015
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: we talked about before, if she's not sexualized, she's ridiculously

1016
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: de sexualized. And if these horror examples shows anything, we

1017
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: are still grappling with our fear of women's sexuality. Obviously

1018
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: so minor, minor thing to tackle, right, but that that's

1019
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: that play in all of this um our discomfort with

1020
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: women who don't behave how we expect them to, of

1021
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: women who step outside the narrow box we've deemed appropriate

1022
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: for femininity. That's another thing that's in play at play

1023
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: and all this, And I do think it's interesting that, Um,

1024
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: like we said at the top, male monsters are frequently

1025
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: allowed sympathy and female monsters are not. They're not as

1026
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: fleshed out, they're not as a whole of characters. UM.

1027
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: And this very thing and the fact that women commit

1028
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: murder at much lower rates than men contribute to a

1029
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: culture that sensatialized female murderers. UM. So there's a lot

1030
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: to talk about, so many things when it comes to

1031
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: female monsters and not uh nerdy stuff. I was getting

1032
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: to talk about one of my favorite things at least, right.

1033
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: I love that knows I learned a lot. See how

1034
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: passionate you are, and it's fantastic. Yeah, I got I

1035
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of passionate. That's very diplomatic where I'm

1036
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: saying it. Um, we would love to hear from listeners

1037
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: if there's any uh monsters that you want to uh

1038
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: want us to return to, or that we didn't mention

1039
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: our movies, that we should watch, books we should read.

1040
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: You can send those our way before we get into

1041
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: our our outro. Officially, though we do have some shout outs.

1042
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: We do have shout outs. So of course to backtrack

1043
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: with all of our love for horror movies, and I

1044
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: picked a couple out which you may have already heard,

1045
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: that are women in horror movie genres or talking about

1046
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: mysteries of swords. So Women in Caskets, which is one

1047
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: podcast which I know, I think it's got a pretty

1048
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 1: big following anyway, but I was like, oh, this is cool, which,

1049
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: by the way, when I googled it without the word podcast,

1050
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: I got some really bad pictures. Don't do that. Don't

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