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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, February third, twenty twenty one, season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number ninety six. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, presented by Geico. We are live from the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios. At the start, I got Nick,
Speaker 1: Amber and Dave with me. We're talking about the quarterback today.
Speaker 1: We want to spend a little time on this quarterback
Speaker 1: carousel in the NFL. There's a lot of things happening
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. Probably unprecedented that we've seen this
Speaker 1: much movement of top line quarterbacks around the league. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about how that affects DAK and negotiations with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Will also get into our the second half of our
Speaker 1: offensive review. Last week we hit the quarterback position. We
Speaker 1: also hit the wide receiver position. This week, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about running backs, tight ends, and offensive line.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with this quarterback carousel. Nick, give us
Speaker 1: a level set, like what are you what are your
Speaker 1: expectations or what are you hearing? Maybe just thinking about
Speaker 1: where things stand right now between the Cowboys and Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I mean I to sit here
Speaker 1: and say that I know what's going on would just
Speaker 1: be a lie. I mean there's there's I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much they've talked. I mean there's reports
Speaker 1: that they have talked, but I mean I've learned a
Speaker 1: long time ago that just because they say they talked
Speaker 1: about a trade, I mean for how long? I mean,
Speaker 1: what were these talks? Hey, how's it going? Let's get
Speaker 1: a deal done. I do think that the you know,
Speaker 1: not knowing what the salary cap is kind of limiting,
Speaker 1: you know, the talks a little bit. But I still
Speaker 1: think that, you know, they know it's close enough to
Speaker 1: actually get something going. I would imagine knowing March ninth
Speaker 1: is such a big important date that there are some
Speaker 1: talks here, and because I think both sides really want
Speaker 1: to get a deal done, I do believe that, and
Speaker 1: I think because of that, and now there is a deadline,
Speaker 1: and deadlines make deals, I guess, and even though we've
Speaker 1: passed about four, I think this is the biggest one,
Speaker 1: and I think that they'll get a deal done. That's
Speaker 1: my gut feeling. The big news came out last week
Speaker 1: that Matthew Stafford was traded from the Detroit Lions to
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. The Rams gave up two first
Speaker 1: round picks, a third round pick, and their starting quarterback,
Speaker 1: Derek Goff. Dave, I'll ask you when you saw that news,
Speaker 1: what was your first reaction to that that deal. My
Speaker 1: first reaction was honestly like, Okay, well, there goes one
Speaker 1: options because in this weird world where you have to
Speaker 1: consider every possibility, I do think you know, one of
Speaker 1: the few things that makes sense for that would have
Speaker 1: made sense for them to do, other than pay Dak,
Speaker 1: would be to try to get Matt Stafford out of Detroit.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a manageable contract, he's still fairly
Speaker 1: young for a quarterback, He's obviously from Dallas. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: So I mean it made sense for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: So as soon as that happen, I was like, okay, well, however,
Speaker 1: you know, that might have been unlikely, but it was
Speaker 1: one of the most likely things, and that's off the
Speaker 1: table now. On top of that, it just serves as
Speaker 1: a very timely reminder that drafting a quarterback is not
Speaker 1: always a guarantee to work out. Because Jared Goff was
Speaker 1: the first quarterback taken in his draft class, and the
Speaker 1: Rams wanted him gone so desperately that they gave up
Speaker 1: a first for Stafford, and then they gave up another
Speaker 1: one so the Lions would take his very large contract,
Speaker 1: and that was a guy that they just paid what
Speaker 1: like two years ago. So it's just, you know, you
Speaker 1: never know because and you know, everybody's talked about it
Speaker 1: incessantly at this point, but Dak is the only quarterback
Speaker 1: left from his class that's either hasn't been benched, traded,
Speaker 1: or cut by the team that drafted him. So it's
Speaker 1: a crapshoot. Even if you have a top five pick,
Speaker 1: you never know. It absolutely is. And when you look
Speaker 1: around the league at what all is going on, you
Speaker 1: have that trade that happens, you got Deshaun Watson and
Speaker 1: Houston who reportedly wants to be traded. Whether they will
Speaker 1: do that or not, who knows. San Francisco reportedly wants
Speaker 1: to move move Jimmy Garoppolo. They are eyeing support, supposedly
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. You got Drew Brees expected to retire.
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger probably should retire. I don't know, maybe he
Speaker 1: decides to retire. But all of that, you look at
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks that are moving around and some of
Speaker 1: them not going to be playing next year. And based
Speaker 1: upon the hall that Stafford was able to command from
Speaker 1: the Rams to Detroit, what do you think Dallas could
Speaker 1: get if they were to tag Dak and try to
Speaker 1: trade him. That is the scenario that I am not
Speaker 1: entertaining because I don't want it. I think that I
Speaker 1: am good with Dak. The trade. That trade was insane
Speaker 1: to me again, and I feel really good about what
Speaker 1: And I know it was a small sample that we
Speaker 1: got from Dak last year, but still it made me feel.
Speaker 1: You know, in the past, I've always seen Dak as
Speaker 1: a type of player that needs others around him to
Speaker 1: make him better. Well, last year my mind started changing
Speaker 1: and I started feeling the other way around to where
Speaker 1: I feel that Dak is able to make other players
Speaker 1: around him better. So I liked the way he was
Speaker 1: trending up, and it's just hard to find a quarterback. Clearly,
Speaker 1: as you can see all these changes, it is hard
Speaker 1: to find a good quarterback that can give you what
Speaker 1: you're looking for as far as all the traits on
Speaker 1: and off the field. Now, one thing that I will say,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but
Speaker 1: it just pisces me off that the Cowboys are always
Speaker 1: so slow to make moves right after the offseason. You
Speaker 1: always see other teams making moves right away and they
Speaker 1: got into it even in free agency. I just feel
Speaker 1: like we're always kind of behind. And it really bothers
Speaker 1: me because you see other teams moving and then you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're kind of getting at the bottom of things to
Speaker 1: where you're left with not many options. You know, so
Speaker 1: you guys have been here longer. Why do you think
Speaker 1: that is? Because it really bothers me as far as
Speaker 1: how long the Cowboys always wait in order to get
Speaker 1: deals done. Well, it's by design, right and Nick, and
Speaker 1: I'll let you kind of talk to this a bit.
Speaker 1: To me, it seems like it's by design that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have made the decision, the conscious decision that they
Speaker 1: don't want to be players in the big money free agency.
Speaker 1: They want to be players in the bargain basement shopping.
Speaker 1: And again, whether you agree with that or not, that's
Speaker 1: been their conscious decision. Yeah, they're not trying to set
Speaker 1: the market. And this particular year is different just because
Speaker 1: you know they are waiting to see I mean I
Speaker 1: think they're kind of hiding behind that just to say, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know what the cap is. But there's also
Speaker 1: another side of it, as if anybody would know what
Speaker 1: the cap is, it would be Jerry, you know, it
Speaker 1: would probably I think he has an inside check on
Speaker 1: that idea of what it might be. So uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't They've never been one to set the market
Speaker 1: and they've never been one to really follow what other
Speaker 1: teams are doing. And this is but there was a
Speaker 1: time you and I were back here during a time
Speaker 1: when they go early on. For you, you remember that
Speaker 1: that one year when they got here, they got well,
Speaker 1: well that year, like you're talking about Terrence No No,
Speaker 1: when they got no No, they got like, uh, there
Speaker 1: were three guys, I think they and they had press
Speaker 1: cons for all three. Like the day free agency started,
Speaker 1: it was a birthday was that it was a cornerback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a Henry marco vera yeah, and Jason Ferguson.
Speaker 1: There you go, And they were all priority. Been a
Speaker 1: long time ago because two thousand, two thousand and five, yeah,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, three press conferences one day, and
Speaker 1: neither one of them was really that great. Pretty good,
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. But do you guys think that they should
Speaker 1: change the strategy? Yes, I've been saying, We've been saying
Speaker 1: for years that we think they should change the strategy.
Speaker 1: I mean we talk about that every spring, and I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, like they aren't big spenders in free agency
Speaker 1: the other Yeah. And you know, for whatever reason, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys insist that it has to happen on a deadline.
Speaker 1: And Nick, I know you said that they've let a
Speaker 1: lot of deadlines pass already, but not on any drop
Speaker 1: dead deadline, right, And that's what March ninth, March not
Speaker 1: what That's what March ninth is starting to feel like,
Speaker 1: is like crapper get off the pot type of moment,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, the Cowboys just feel like they
Speaker 1: have to let it get to that point. I don't
Speaker 1: really know what I will say this though, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to be the revisionist history guy, so I
Speaker 1: have to say I actually was. And this is going
Speaker 1: back to those days of the early two thousands, Nick,
Speaker 1: you and I were here when we saw them go
Speaker 1: out and give up two first round picks for Galloway,
Speaker 1: and we saw him give up picks for, you know,
Speaker 1: for Roy Williams. And we saw them have that year
Speaker 1: when they went and got Anthony Henry and those guys.
Speaker 1: So there was a perception here in the early two
Speaker 1: thousands that the Cowboys would always think they could win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in free agency and they would go
Speaker 1: out and they would spend, they would go out and
Speaker 1: give up picks and they'd get guys and it didn't work.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I was one of those people
Speaker 1: that at that time, I was like when they kind
Speaker 1: of made the shift, I was like, yeah, build it
Speaker 1: through the draft. You'll have a better chance to building
Speaker 1: through the draft because you're not doing well trying to
Speaker 1: build it through free agency. So I think what we
Speaker 1: found out in this whole process is both types of
Speaker 1: scenarios can be flawed. It really comes down to if
Speaker 1: you're gonna be hard, and free agency you still got
Speaker 1: to get the right guys. You still gotta if you're
Speaker 1: gonna spend money, you gotta make sure you got the
Speaker 1: right guys. I would have loved to see them have
Speaker 1: that strategy when they had Will McClay having more of
Speaker 1: an input in what the guys that they were getting.
Speaker 1: Maybe it turns out a little differently. But we've seen
Speaker 1: both sides, Nick, We've seen we've seen the good and
Speaker 1: the bad of free agency. We've seen the good and
Speaker 1: the bad of just going through the draft. And I
Speaker 1: don't know that there's a science that has to work
Speaker 1: here or has to not. I don't think anything has
Speaker 1: worked though really when I think about it, I mean
Speaker 1: twenty five years, they haven't been to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I haven't been to the Championship game in twenty five years.
Speaker 1: So taking it back seat, and you know they're not
Speaker 1: going to change the GM. So you can sit there
Speaker 1: all you want, yell at the computer and say that's
Speaker 1: what they need to do. I will argue that they
Speaker 1: do have different gems. They do, they do it, and
Speaker 1: the GM is the voice in the decision maker's ear,
Speaker 1: and that's what I think is changing I think Jerry
Speaker 1: doesn't make as many decisions as you think. But either way,
Speaker 1: if they're not changing all of that, then they need
Speaker 1: to change the approach. And we've seen all kinds of
Speaker 1: different approaches and nothing has gotten to the decision to
Speaker 1: the championship game. Yep, okay, but that sort of insinuates
Speaker 1: that's just it kind of insinuates that there's only two
Speaker 1: extremes that you can adhere to. I don't want the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to splash one hundred and fifty million dollars on
Speaker 1: the first day of free agency. I don't think most
Speaker 1: fans want that. You just want them to be willing
Speaker 1: to take calculated risks. You know. I'll bring it up
Speaker 1: every time this comes up until I don't do this anymore.
Speaker 1: Sign Tyron Matthew for a one year, seven million dollar deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go get those types of players. Add good players to
Speaker 1: your team. If you have to spend some money, do it. Nobody,
Speaker 1: you know the Giants. That's the thing I think about
Speaker 1: when we talk about this is the Giants signed Damon Harrison,
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon, and Genorris Jenkins all on the same day
Speaker 1: of free agency, and they had to cut or trade
Speaker 1: all of them within like three years. Like, that's not
Speaker 1: what I'm after. You just gotta be willing to do
Speaker 1: more than scrape the bottom of the barrel, which is
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys insist on doing. Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I look at a guy even like Minka Fitzpatrick when
Speaker 1: he became available, like, go and get that kind of guy.
Speaker 1: He's young, he's a really good player. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you don't think he fits your scheme, didn't make
Speaker 1: your scheme fit him, Like he's a good player. And
Speaker 1: I think those are the types of things I agree
Speaker 1: with you, Dave. Those are type scenarios I'd like them
Speaker 1: to take a chance on a little more frequently, rather
Speaker 1: than making a big splashing free agency or rather than
Speaker 1: going out and just saying we're gonna go all bargain
Speaker 1: basement on free agency and try to build it to
Speaker 1: the draft being said, and you would have been fine,
Speaker 1: I mean, sitting back now, you'd be fine with having
Speaker 1: Mina Fitzpatrick have to sign him, which I think they
Speaker 1: would and not have ceedee lamb. And because it wouldn't
Speaker 1: it have they would have parted a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, I mean, I don't know what it
Speaker 1: meant could go for did they have to give a
Speaker 1: first round pick for pretty sure they did? Yes, they do. Yes. Um,
Speaker 1: you know you don't know what you have until I mean, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know, Like you would have still had you
Speaker 1: would have still had two really good wide receivers. We
Speaker 1: had that conversation last week. You got you you you
Speaker 1: have an embarrassment of riches at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: Right now, right now, I will tell you, and you
Speaker 1: guys say this all the time. I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: how you think about it. But if if you're telling
Speaker 1: me you're going to get for the first time in
Speaker 1: a very very long time, a game changing, playmaking type safety,
Speaker 1: would you be willing to give up a premiere wide
Speaker 1: receiver for that? Uh? I wouldn't. I mean, I'll be
Speaker 1: you know, with hindsight's always twenty twenty. I would be
Speaker 1: very happy if this team had make a Fitzpatrick and
Speaker 1: I would have never known that they would have missed
Speaker 1: out on CD Lamb, Like we never would have had
Speaker 1: to think about it. So, yeah, Lamb's on this team.
Speaker 1: But if you told me I had make a Patrick instead,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be upset about it. You know, since I
Speaker 1: started working here and learning about the draft and the
Speaker 1: process and all of that. I've always heard this sentence
Speaker 1: that it always annoys me, now that I know the
Speaker 1: game a little bit better. But it's this idea of
Speaker 1: drafting for the future, and I get the concept behind it,
Speaker 1: but I've been here for what like six seven years?
Speaker 1: Where when is the future happening? I mean, where has
Speaker 1: that gotten you? No way? Really, So it's it's just
Speaker 1: frustrating when to me, it's always that mentality of drafting guys,
Speaker 1: and you have to draft guys, I get it, But
Speaker 1: at the same time, those guys come with the need
Speaker 1: of development and time of playing out in the field
Speaker 1: and you're turning and molding this player into something better.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you don't have the time for that, and
Speaker 1: you look at the veteran players that have departed and
Speaker 1: the transition to a new, younger ruster and all that,
Speaker 1: but still you need veteran help and sometimes you do
Speaker 1: need to make a splash in free agency and made
Speaker 1: that move, And it might not happen this year because
Speaker 1: we're talking about Dak Prescott and the quarterback position, so
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the biggest splash this year. But It's
Speaker 1: just very unfortunate that years come and go and you
Speaker 1: never see that kind of help coming to the team.
Speaker 1: We're always left with little like crumbs, and not that
Speaker 1: crumbs are bad. Sometimes they're good, but you sometimes need
Speaker 1: a little bit more power and strength rather than because
Speaker 1: I always watch it, you know, on social media, you
Speaker 1: see other teams making move and you're like, man, when
Speaker 1: are the cor was gonna do something? What are we
Speaker 1: waiting on? And we're always like towards the last weeks
Speaker 1: of free agency making moves, And it's just like a
Speaker 1: little disappointing, disappointing because you do want those veteran guys
Speaker 1: to be able to come in here and make an
Speaker 1: impact right away. I'm gonna change the car conversation just
Speaker 1: a bit and I'm gonna go to you Nick first
Speaker 1: on this question. Is there a price tag of what
Speaker 1: you could get back that would make you want to
Speaker 1: consider trading Dak Prescott? What would that price tag be?
Speaker 1: Two number ones? You would do it for two number ones? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Would do you at all consider the fact that when
Speaker 1: you look at and Dave alluded to this a little earlier,
Speaker 1: when you look at the hit misrate of quarterbacks even
Speaker 1: the ones selected in the first round. Me and my
Speaker 1: wife were actually having this conversation last night. If you
Speaker 1: go through and think about the best quarterbacks in the NFL,
Speaker 1: we couldn't come up with other than Watson. We couldn't
Speaker 1: come up with a single quarterback that you consider one
Speaker 1: of the top tier guys in the league right now
Speaker 1: that was selected high in the first round. Like you
Speaker 1: start going through a list of Rogers and my Homes
Speaker 1: and some of the other guys we threw out there there,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and if you want to put Dak in
Speaker 1: that conversation, I'm not sure, but you know, you just
Speaker 1: go start going down this list. These are not like
Speaker 1: the top guys Wentz Golf, Like, those are the guys
Speaker 1: that you're having problems, Like you're thinking that was a
Speaker 1: wasted pick. So if you've got two first round picks,
Speaker 1: are you sure you can get a replacement for Dak Prescott. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, But you know, ask the whole group though,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna get to them, because I feel like
Speaker 1: when I watched the Super Bowl and I see the
Speaker 1: championship game and I see these guys that are playing,
Speaker 1: I see guys that are playing, and I, you know,
Speaker 1: look at the guys around them. I don't think that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of top There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: high drafts around them too. If you want to talk
Speaker 1: about high draft picks, these top quarterbacks that you're staying,
Speaker 1: they don't really have a lot of high draft picks
Speaker 1: around them. I mean, I think that Davante Adams has
Speaker 1: turned into a star. I think Rogers has helped with that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was a top pick. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelcey were top picks.
Speaker 1: I know that nobody can seattle all up there was
Speaker 1: the top pick. So I just feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: those guys have done well to develop the guys around him.
Speaker 1: I think Dak's got more help than others. And I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure that Dak is is great.
Speaker 1: I think Dak is really good, but I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's shown that he's great. So
Speaker 1: there'd be a risk in trading him away. There'd be
Speaker 1: a risk and signing him for forty million, because I
Speaker 1: think you're seeing down in Houston what happens when you
Speaker 1: try to say, go win it for us, to Sean,
Speaker 1: and that's that's gonna be. That's hard as well, because
Speaker 1: they took a lot of his talent away from him,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's all that best talent from him,
Speaker 1: no doubt. That took his best talent away from him
Speaker 1: and thought that, well, forty billion, let's go win. And
Speaker 1: you know it's hard. It's hard to do that. So
Speaker 1: it's risky either way. All right, Dave, is there a
Speaker 1: price tag in what would it be? Yeah? So this
Speaker 1: is actually something that I brought up on the Draft
Speaker 1: show and some people pointed it out to me. It's
Speaker 1: very fair to point out Dak has veto power over
Speaker 1: somebody trying to trade him, because you can't trade him
Speaker 1: until he signs his kind of his franchise tender, and
Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to sign it, there's nothing you
Speaker 1: can do. You can't you can't do anything unless he's
Speaker 1: willing to sign that. So if you were going to
Speaker 1: trade him, you would have to okay it with the
Speaker 1: team trading for him. Okay, okay, with Dak and his people.
Speaker 1: Get everybody on the same page that this is something
Speaker 1: they want to do, and then you can do it.
Speaker 1: So it's let me jump in real quick, let me
Speaker 1: jump quick, real quick. I would think it's probably because
Speaker 1: of the fact that he would be on a franchise tag.
Speaker 1: Most likely whoever would be trading for him, they would
Speaker 1: want to be talking to him and have a long
Speaker 1: term deal already set up in order for them to
Speaker 1: say yes, because that kind of takes a while with
Speaker 1: his agent. Oh but you know that's the point, like
Speaker 1: that I have to happen, Yes, of course, But all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. All I'm saying is, you know, if if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys wanted to ship him to Houston, where the
Speaker 1: culture just seems like a disaster, he could say, hell, no,
Speaker 1: I don't care how much you're gonna pay me. I'm
Speaker 1: not going there. That looks like a train wreck anyway.
Speaker 1: So the point being, yes, there's a price that you
Speaker 1: could pay me to get me to listen, but it
Speaker 1: would be high. And the scenario I came up with
Speaker 1: yesterday wash if the Miami Dolphins approached me about giving
Speaker 1: me the third overall pick, the eighteenth overall pick, and
Speaker 1: two a Tonga Viloa for dak, I would be sorely tempted.
Speaker 1: I would be sorel I would probably I'd have to
Speaker 1: at least give it a lot of considerations. To say
Speaker 1: I would do it was shaking your head like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that, But go ahead, Dave, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't blame Derek if he's hesitant toa didn't look great
Speaker 1: last year in the opportunities that he got. And then
Speaker 1: if you're picking third in this draft, Trevor Lawrence and
Speaker 1: likely the second best quarterback is off the table, so
Speaker 1: you're picking from the third best option and maybe a
Speaker 1: guy you know in two of who could be good
Speaker 1: but didn't look like you know, he didn't look like
Speaker 1: the next Mahomes in the opportunity that he got last year.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, I'd be pretty scared to
Speaker 1: be the team that sent away, you know, a top
Speaker 1: five quarterback. And I legitimately believe if you take out
Speaker 1: Brady Breeze Roethlisberger, I mean, Roethlisberger and Breeze aren't even
Speaker 1: good anymore. Anyway, you take out Aaron Rodgers, who is
Speaker 1: very close to forty years old, like once you weed
Speaker 1: out the guys who are getting close to retirement, Dak
Speaker 1: is a top five quarterback and it's basically in arguable.
Speaker 1: So I would be very hesitant to do that. But
Speaker 1: there's a price you could throw at me that would
Speaker 1: make me listen. And it starts with like two or
Speaker 1: three ones, and maybe a quarterback prospect as well. All right, Amber,
Speaker 1: is there a price? No, I said it earlier. I'm
Speaker 1: closing that door. Not interested. I don't want to take
Speaker 1: the risk. Looked, look was help way too many other
Speaker 1: problems to add another one at his uncertainty of the
Speaker 1: quarterback position. And again there's a lot of question marks
Speaker 1: right now, but at least we know what Doc is,
Speaker 1: what he can be, what he was kind of becoming
Speaker 1: and trending to become. So I just I don't want
Speaker 1: to add another problem to my list of problems. I
Speaker 1: want to even if it's just a year, I'm focused
Speaker 1: on twenty twenty one, two, twenty three or twenty four.
Speaker 1: This year. I want to have him and then figure
Speaker 1: out and all this other mess, especially around defense, and
Speaker 1: we got to figure out the old line. So I
Speaker 1: do not want to add another area of concern, of
Speaker 1: uncertainty of like, oh, we don't know if this is
Speaker 1: really gonna work out. At least with DAC, with Doc,
Speaker 1: we know what he is. Yeah, I agree with Amber
Speaker 1: on this, like, there's not much that a team can
Speaker 1: offer me. I mean, it would have to be so
Speaker 1: obscene that I would be like, I can't pass this up,
Speaker 1: Like five first round it is like something so crazy
Speaker 1: to where it's like, well, I absolutely cannot pass this up.
Speaker 1: But I'm just a believer in I think the history
Speaker 1: of it shows no matter where you select them, it
Speaker 1: is a crapshoot to get a quarterback that that's gonna stick.
Speaker 1: And and I but the flip side of that is
Speaker 1: you don't have a shot in the NFL if you
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback, like you are not gonna win.
Speaker 1: You just cannot win without a quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And so from that standpoint, if I have a guy that,
Speaker 1: as Dave says, I agree, is a top five quarter
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, I feel really good about that.
Speaker 1: There's not much you can give me that makes me
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna I'm gonna trade him. Like it would
Speaker 1: have to be something that was so just crazy that
Speaker 1: that that it would have it would force me to
Speaker 1: trade him. I know we got to take a break here,
Speaker 1: but I want to say one thing to Amber's point
Speaker 1: about I got you know, other problems. You know, you
Speaker 1: realize that signing a guy to a forty million a
Speaker 1: year contract isn't really going to help you drastically fix
Speaker 1: those other problems. I mean, you're still gonna have them,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna even be harder to fix them. But
Speaker 1: but I get the point of, well, you know, at
Speaker 1: least you got the quarterback and you can go win.
Speaker 1: But you also got to remember this too, Derek, about
Speaker 1: when you said you know about what you wouldn't trade
Speaker 1: and all that, you gotta remember who's doing the deal,
Speaker 1: and it's Jerry, and it's Stephen who in the negotiations.
Speaker 1: And if they feel like they are far away from
Speaker 1: making this happen, now do you if it gets down
Speaker 1: to it, you know, it's gonna be a different It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a different scenario for them knowing we're really
Speaker 1: closely just getting a comp pick for him. So if
Speaker 1: they know that, you know, if it's hot or cold
Speaker 1: in the trade, you know, then they may need to say,
Speaker 1: you know, it might change their thought a little bit
Speaker 1: like well you had to get something like oh they
Speaker 1: should have got more. They couldn't get more because the
Speaker 1: time was running out. The good example there is what's
Speaker 1: happening in Houston right right. When you get to a
Speaker 1: point where you know you're not gonna keep this guy
Speaker 1: long term, then you gotta get something, So I get you.
Speaker 1: If you get to that point they don't fel like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to do a deal, then they
Speaker 1: get what they can get, and hopefully it would be
Speaker 1: a big haul. I'm just saying right now, based upon
Speaker 1: what we've heard, is that both sides want to get
Speaker 1: a deal done. I'm not entertaining the idea of trading
Speaker 1: him right now. For me, he is a valuable commodity.
Speaker 1: He is a guy, and I'll take your scenario like,
Speaker 1: I don't even care if that means that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a little less talented other positions in order to
Speaker 1: keep him. What I've seen is you could still win
Speaker 1: championships like that. What I've not seen is the flip,
Speaker 1: which is winning a championship without a good quarterback. Like
Speaker 1: the only time you do that is when you have
Speaker 1: an excellent defense, and this defense is so far from
Speaker 1: being excellent, Like that's not even in my rain of
Speaker 1: my frame of reference right now. So I just think
Speaker 1: you're much closer to getting where you want to go.
Speaker 1: If you have the quarterback in place, I'm not willing
Speaker 1: to give that up. All right, we're gonna take our
Speaker 1: first break. When we come back, we're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit more about the offense. We're gonna start with
Speaker 1: the running back position. Talk a little bit about Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliott and where he fits on this team going forward
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Speaker 1: It is the second segment of the Break, live from
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Speaker 1: presented by Geico. Let's jump into the second part of
Speaker 1: our offensive review that we started last week. We talked
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and wide receivers. Now I want to talk
Speaker 1: about running backs, and I'll start first with the fact
Speaker 1: that Zeke Elliott's yards per game have declined every year
Speaker 1: of his career, hitting a low this year of sixty
Speaker 1: five point three yards per game. What are your expectations
Speaker 1: for his future here with the Cowboys. Let's start first
Speaker 1: with you Amber. My expectations, um, how many years does
Speaker 1: he have left on his contract. I forgot even four
Speaker 1: or five. Does drop the Foe's eva. It's out there,
Speaker 1: I solve the chart. He's the farthest one though, right
Speaker 1: in his way. But you know what, I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to give up on him. As far as my expectations,
Speaker 1: I do think that he can be better this year.
Speaker 1: Last year was very unfortunate, disappointing, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was the only player playing bad.
Speaker 1: There were so many other players that you expected the same,
Speaker 1: expected them to do better as well, and they just didn't.
Speaker 1: So that's how I see it. It wasn't like just him.
Speaker 1: So I am expecting him to be able to come
Speaker 1: back and help the Cowboys. I'm expecting them to be
Speaker 1: able to run the ball a lot better. But that
Speaker 1: will only happen if you get the right help in
Speaker 1: the old line. You need to reinforce the on line,
Speaker 1: get that better. Don't know what's gonna happen with Tyrn.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna talk about him later, but those
Speaker 1: are things that you need in order to have seek
Speaker 1: seek become successful again. And to me, I don't care
Speaker 1: about this whole oh where the NFL is a passing
Speaker 1: game league type of thing. I need to be able
Speaker 1: to trust my running game and I need to be
Speaker 1: able to them to be powerful once again. And I
Speaker 1: think Zeke still has it in him. He still does,
Speaker 1: but only time will tell. Right now, I still have hope,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna take for us to get into this
Speaker 1: next season to really see if he is still that
Speaker 1: kind of running back. Dave Well, as we alluded to,
Speaker 1: I mean, the contract, the contract kind of makes it
Speaker 1: a mood point at least for two more years. You
Speaker 1: can get away from it without having to do anything
Speaker 1: crazy after the twenty twenty two seasons. So you got
Speaker 1: two more seasons at minimum with Zeke, and at least
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because I think I think he is
Speaker 1: a good enough player. I mean, I think it's it's
Speaker 1: silly to think you're going to trade him for something
Speaker 1: worth trading for. And I think you're a better team
Speaker 1: with him on the roster than without. Like, he's not
Speaker 1: so bad that he needs to be off the roster.
Speaker 1: That's silly. So you run it back hopefully, you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully the offensive line is healthier, Hopefully your quarterbacks play
Speaker 1: is better, and I think he will look like a
Speaker 1: much better player if all that happens. I've said this
Speaker 1: a million times since the midpoint of last season. It's
Speaker 1: a shame that you're saying that about a ninety million
Speaker 1: dollar running back, like for the money, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: throw up the best plays of Alvin Kamara's season or
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook's season or even Aaron Jones. It looks vastly different,
Speaker 1: Like Zeke didn't make plays like that, and if you're
Speaker 1: worth ninety million dollars, you should be able to make
Speaker 1: a few plays like that, regardless of what's available on
Speaker 1: your offense. So yeah, I mean, I think it's it's
Speaker 1: fair to say maybe he can get back there, But
Speaker 1: right now, Zeke is not one of the top top
Speaker 1: tier running backs in the NFL. And that's okay if
Speaker 1: you have talent around him, and hopefully they will, so
Speaker 1: that's kind of I'm just we're getting a disappointing return
Speaker 1: of investment on this contract, but I'm optimistic that they
Speaker 1: can correct course here next season and the season after that. Nick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, who have you not had a disappointing return
Speaker 1: from a big contract that you've had in the last
Speaker 1: five years. I mean, you could even say Zack Martin.
Speaker 1: Jack Martin has been really good. It's been a little
Speaker 1: disappointing in the last year just because he got hurt.
Speaker 1: That's it. I mean, he's been outstanding other than that,
Speaker 1: though everybody else is. I don't know if it has
Speaker 1: met the expect and kind of a function of a
Speaker 1: bad team though, like they just played bad as a team.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to really point out some people that's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: but they were good, you know, well I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think so it's you get paid individually. I think
Speaker 1: you can get you can get reviewed individually. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that DeMarcus Lawrence has met the contract that
Speaker 1: he's done. I know Alan Smith hasn't. I know Zeke hasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean Tyrant Smith is, because it's it's not really
Speaker 1: a great deal, you know. Lyle Collins did his first
Speaker 1: year after then he got hurt last year. So it's
Speaker 1: hard to say that Amark Cooper he's been Yeah, Amark Cooper,
Speaker 1: you can say had had a good year for that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, get ready, I'm just saying, what do
Speaker 1: you h No, I'm just saying, I mean, none of
Speaker 1: them are is gonna be what what backs deal is
Speaker 1: and in the scrupany for that is you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got to be you know, he's got to be Superman.
Speaker 1: He really has to be, especially with the deal he's
Speaker 1: about to get. So well, you know, I go to quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: They're the only put player on the team that win
Speaker 1: loss record goes with him, and championships are part of
Speaker 1: what you talk about with them. So I think that's
Speaker 1: going to be the expectation. When you make forty million,
Speaker 1: fans are gonna be looking around saying, we need to
Speaker 1: be in some championship games and we need to be
Speaker 1: in some super Bowls if you're going to be worth
Speaker 1: the money you're getting paid. This this setup of you know,
Speaker 1: WebEx or whatever, it doesn't really allow us to have
Speaker 1: these great conversations. But like I said something earlier, I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see what everyone thought about because I said
Speaker 1: that I think Dak is a good quarterback, and you
Speaker 1: guys are saying that you think he's a great quarterback,
Speaker 1: and so I think maybe, I mean, I'll let y'all where, like,
Speaker 1: where is he being great? I don't under I just
Speaker 1: don't see. I'm not a Dak hater. You have to
Speaker 1: sign him I'm signing him. That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything else. But I it's
Speaker 1: a risky because I think he's good. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's great. I mean, I don't know why. It's all
Speaker 1: based on a curve. So you tell me what quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league are better? And and as Dave, like
Speaker 1: Dave threw it out there, like, I don't think there
Speaker 1: are a lot that are better. I really don't. But
Speaker 1: just because there's thirty two picks in the first round
Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's thirty two first round grades. So again,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not that logic. You can apply that
Speaker 1: logic the same way. Just because I mean, just because
Speaker 1: you don't think Dak is amazing doesn't mean that there
Speaker 1: are very many quarterbacks that are better than him. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I mean, but but they're asking, but that's no what.
Speaker 1: But my point is is that is that here we are.
Speaker 1: He's got to get paid like a great quarterback. He's
Speaker 1: got he's got to get paid that that way and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You know, I'm just saying it's it's risky.
Speaker 1: I just don't know where people that that love Dak
Speaker 1: and they say he's been doing great, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: butt where, Okay, I'll put it like this. I'll I'll
Speaker 1: put it like no, no, no no, I'll put it like this.
Speaker 1: If you've watched Dak play, I think, yeah, have you
Speaker 1: have you seen moments where you're like, he does extraordinary
Speaker 1: things that other quarterbacks don't necessarily do, or that only
Speaker 1: a handful of other quarterbacks do. And I think there
Speaker 1: are things like that that I look at him, and
Speaker 1: that's that's the other reason I'll apply to golf. That's
Speaker 1: one reason why I don't think golf is that player,
Speaker 1: because when I watch golf, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: the things where he makes plays they are based upon
Speaker 1: scheme because he has a wide open receiver, because his
Speaker 1: coach was able to scheme up something for him to
Speaker 1: have a wide open receiver. I have not seen him
Speaker 1: make a ton of plays and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that was an amazing play that was made by the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And that's how we think about all players that we
Speaker 1: think are great. They make plays. We do it number
Speaker 1: of time in every game that you watch Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, that dude's amazing. I think
Speaker 1: Dak has moments like that and So that's what makes
Speaker 1: me think he is a great quarterback. Dak makes plays
Speaker 1: for this team that otherwise would not be made. There.
Speaker 1: I'll put it like this. He makes plays for this
Speaker 1: team that we didn't see made during the other part
Speaker 1: of the season when he didn't play this year, by
Speaker 1: any quarterback that played, that's the difference. But you're comparing
Speaker 1: them to the backups. No, I'm just saying, But I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna compare quarterback, you're gonna talk about who
Speaker 1: is great and who's not. The great ones they make
Speaker 1: those plays that we didn't see, those plays like you
Speaker 1: don't see those plays when you watch a lot of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. There are Again, he is among
Speaker 1: those players in the league. That's probably four or five
Speaker 1: up there that make the kind of plays that without them,
Speaker 1: you don't get that play. Okay, but I think I
Speaker 1: think you're talking about athletic plays like get off me
Speaker 1: type things where he's big, moves the ball. Then right,
Speaker 1: that's right, he does make those do not count? Right,
Speaker 1: It certainly counts. Let me finish my point. That counts.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about third and nine slant over the
Speaker 1: middle of the ball, wasn't there. His accuracy is not Okay,
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, I'm just saying he doesn't
Speaker 1: make all the throws he's that's fine. He's a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's a good quarterback. You're gonna have to pay him
Speaker 1: like a like a great quarterback. I think he's a
Speaker 1: good quarterback. I think the argument that you're making is
Speaker 1: in order to be great, you got to be great
Speaker 1: at everything. And I don't think that's the case for
Speaker 1: all quarterbacks that you're calling great. Name a quarterback other
Speaker 1: than Mahomes that's great at everything, like, there isn't one.
Speaker 1: There isn't one and so and so. My point is, yeah,
Speaker 1: he might have some holes in his game. There might
Speaker 1: be parts of his game where he's better than others.
Speaker 1: My point is, can he make plays that other guys
Speaker 1: don't make? And I think that's what makes him a
Speaker 1: great player. And I do think that's the case. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna just agree to disagree on this one.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. I think his supporting
Speaker 1: cast is better than him. Go ahead, Nick, if you
Speaker 1: let's forget about the money, Let's forget about him not
Speaker 1: being under contract or anything. Let's assume he's under contract
Speaker 1: for a fair deal or whatever. Would you still be
Speaker 1: looking at other quarterbacks to bring here or would you
Speaker 1: be okay with having him as your starter? Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not sure how that applies, but I'll
Speaker 1: say yet, because I wrong way you're You're you're comparing
Speaker 1: money to the quarterback. And that's just that's not about
Speaker 1: being great or good or whatever. That's just part of
Speaker 1: the business aspect of it, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1: There's money and a certain amount of money that's involved
Speaker 1: in making these type of deal deals, and I think
Speaker 1: that's how you're looking at it. You're comparing the money
Speaker 1: to the talent. And I think that it's just by default,
Speaker 1: that's just how this league is structure, and that's just
Speaker 1: kind of what you have, no no in order to
Speaker 1: keep a quarterback. All I'm saying is is that if
Speaker 1: you ever seen like a boat, Have you ever seen
Speaker 1: a boat parked in an apartment complex? You know, or
Speaker 1: Lambordini or something like that, And it's like why, yeah,
Speaker 1: But it's this it's all about people's priorities, which you're different.
Speaker 1: And all that's all I'm saying is is that I
Speaker 1: know you're so you're saying this team is an apartment
Speaker 1: complex and Dak is a Lamborghini. What I'm saying it's
Speaker 1: about to be that what we're saying about it be
Speaker 1: that way if you pay him that way. And so
Speaker 1: when when you take out money, Amber, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think you can take out money, because that's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about here. Is he good enough to play
Speaker 1: on my team? Of course, of course he's good enough.
Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is is that you're putting that
Speaker 1: money in there, and I wonder how it's gonna how
Speaker 1: it's gonna affect the other other teams, because if you
Speaker 1: go and look at all these other contracts, I don't
Speaker 1: think the team has done that well. But I would
Speaker 1: also prob but I would say this. I will also
Speaker 1: throw this out there. If you look at where Dak
Speaker 1: is in his career, I think you'd be hard pressed
Speaker 1: to find quarterbacks at that stage of their career who
Speaker 1: were better than he was at that same stage. And
Speaker 1: that's where again I think you have to project a
Speaker 1: little bit. Here is he where Aaron Rodgers is right now? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: but but but my point is he's on the trajectory
Speaker 1: of I think what great quarterbacks become in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You look at Tom Brady an early part of his career.
Speaker 1: It wasn't great immediately he went to the Super Bowl media,
Speaker 1: but that was because he had a great coach, he
Speaker 1: had a great defense, he had a great running game.
Speaker 1: And that's the same thing. Dak had the benefit of
Speaker 1: having really good supporting casts around him when he first started.
Speaker 1: That's what got him off to the start. But you
Speaker 1: look at how his trajectory has gone, and you see
Speaker 1: this last year. This last year, for those games that
Speaker 1: he played, that offense was running through him. He was
Speaker 1: the reason that the offense was going. And I understand
Speaker 1: the record was what the record was. But beside that fact,
Speaker 1: the fact is that he was making plays for this team.
Speaker 1: Gets he was getting no support from the defense. He
Speaker 1: was getting a team that was turning the ball over
Speaker 1: at a rapid pace. There were a lot of things
Speaker 1: that were going against him. But if you just evaluate
Speaker 1: his play, I think he was playing at that level
Speaker 1: of that next level quarterback, and I think his trajectory
Speaker 1: is ascending. Day. What do you have on this let's
Speaker 1: talk about running back. I don't I don't think I
Speaker 1: have anything to add that Derek didn't already say. Uh,
Speaker 1: and Nick, I'm not I'm not putting these words in
Speaker 1: your mouth, but I don't think you can discount the
Speaker 1: backup talk because a large port sand thought Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: was coming for Dak's job and thought that he should,
Speaker 1: and people people in the national media were saying as
Speaker 1: recently October. As October, I believe it was Tony Tony
Speaker 1: Dungee that said this could be a blessing in disguise
Speaker 1: that Dak got hurt because now the Cowboys can get
Speaker 1: back to ground and pound and all that stupid crap,
Speaker 1: and how that work out. How much better did Dak
Speaker 1: look than anything that Dalton or Garrett Gilbert or Benda
Speaker 1: Nucci was able to throw out there? I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I said it last week. From the time
Speaker 1: of MARII Cooper got here, the ways that he has
Speaker 1: grown as a passer are incredible to me. I mean it,
Speaker 1: like Derek said, it all runs through him. He can
Speaker 1: make every freaking throwing the book. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: dimes have we seen him drop on Amari or some
Speaker 1: of these throws down the seam where he threw cdee
Speaker 1: lamb completely open, which, by the way, was everybody's knock
Speaker 1: on him that he could never do that. He does
Speaker 1: stuff like that in his sleep these days. And on
Speaker 1: top of that, he's much more athletic than your average
Speaker 1: starting NFL quarterback. I believe he's got twenty three or
Speaker 1: twenty five rushing touchdowns. And that's why I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm terrified by these comments from Jerry Jones that he
Speaker 1: needs to do less of that. I couldn't. I could
Speaker 1: not disagree more. That needs to be part of his
Speaker 1: game forever, as long as he's healthy and mobile enough
Speaker 1: to do it. Like I said, I think when you
Speaker 1: take out the guys who are getting closer to retirement,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers are the only quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: this league that I think you can definitively say are
Speaker 1: better than Dak Prescott. You know, if you want, if
Speaker 1: you want to say Deshaun Watson's better, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to argue with you, But I don't think you can
Speaker 1: make a bulletproof case that that's true. That's the going
Speaker 1: rate for a guy that's in the top five, and
Speaker 1: I feel totally comfortable paying it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that means he'll win the Cowboys a super Bowl, but
Speaker 1: I think he gives them a better chance than going
Speaker 1: back to the well. And I'll make this final point
Speaker 1: too right before and if you have some melt in
Speaker 1: their news, but but if you but if you watch
Speaker 1: other other quarterbacks, even some of the really good ones,
Speaker 1: they miss throws two. And I think sometimes we watch
Speaker 1: our guys because we're watching every moment of their entire career,
Speaker 1: and so we see all the warts. Uh, and sometimes
Speaker 1: it has a way of kind of making you forget
Speaker 1: about all the great moments. But I look at these
Speaker 1: other games, and I'll watch these quarterbacks and they miss
Speaker 1: them too. I know Aaron Rodgers. I watch games where
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers just doesn't seem to hit some open receivers
Speaker 1: that he should be able to make those throws. It
Speaker 1: happens sometimes. Yeah, well then then something needs to change.
Speaker 1: As far as I mean, you hope that the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and dec will be able to work together this
Speaker 1: year more than they did last year, as far as
Speaker 1: on the field or whatever. Because as as much as
Speaker 1: the boy genius has been talked about from the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator standpoint, one thing that they completely sucked at last year,
Speaker 1: regardless of who the quarterback was. And that's getting off
Speaker 1: to a good start. So what's happening between Monday and
Speaker 1: Saturday that they takes them too long to get going
Speaker 1: here and and and that, and you know you can say,
Speaker 1: well that's two years in a row now. A lot
Speaker 1: of Dak's numbers have been late in the game. Who
Speaker 1: do we put that on? I mean, offensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: whatever it is, because whether they're getting hollow stats, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. Even the NFC Championship game against the Packers,
Speaker 1: they were down so bad early. I'm not putting it
Speaker 1: all on Dak. I'm saying that they got to figure
Speaker 1: that out. He needs way less stats. If he gets
Speaker 1: way less stats, he'll have more wins, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they can do their damage early on and then
Speaker 1: lean on Pollard and Zeke, maybe I'll should say it
Speaker 1: Zeke and Pollard either way, lean on those two backs.
Speaker 1: And I think that it'll be better for DAK than
Speaker 1: to try to throw their way back into game and
Speaker 1: get all these five hundred yard games with a loss.
Speaker 1: And part of that is on this defense. If their
Speaker 1: defense can make some stops early and not put them
Speaker 1: in a fourteen nothing hole. Then yeah, it creates a
Speaker 1: better opportunity for your offense to be able to instead
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Speaker 1: about the running back position. We had started a conversation
Speaker 1: on Zeke and his his number of yards per season.
Speaker 1: There was another interesting thing that stood out to me
Speaker 1: as I was looking at running backs around the league.
Speaker 1: There were only two running backs with more than twelve
Speaker 1: hundred yards last season. That was Derrick Henry with two
Speaker 1: twenty seven and Dalvin Cook with one thousand, five hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty seven. Zeke's nine hundred and seventy nine yards
Speaker 1: ranked eleven in the league. Now I want to give
Speaker 1: it perspective in twenty nineteen, he was fourth in the
Speaker 1: league with thirteen fifty seven. He was first in the
Speaker 1: league in two and eighteen with fourteen thirty four. So
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta put it in context. Last year
Speaker 1: what could have been an aberration because of two years
Speaker 1: before that he was right up there in the top five,
Speaker 1: one year being the top rusher in the league. My
Speaker 1: question for you guys, is is Zeke still a premier
Speaker 1: running back in the National Football League when compared to
Speaker 1: his peers. Let's start with you, Dave. I mean when
Speaker 1: you say premier, I mean he's certainly like he's one
Speaker 1: of the only feature backs in the league, like in
Speaker 1: terms of like a guy who doesn't really share the workload.
Speaker 1: And I mean he's he's obviously a good player. But
Speaker 1: I think I said that in the last segment, Like
Speaker 1: I forgot Derrick Henry, So Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara, um
Speaker 1: say Quan when he's healthy, Aaron Jones, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think of Zeke in that conversation, not right now?
Speaker 1: Well then that's what I was asking. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: a good starting running back. Yeah no, okay, Amber, I
Speaker 1: mean not right now, not after the kind of season
Speaker 1: that we saw. But like I said before, I think
Speaker 1: he can get back into that group and that conversation.
Speaker 1: He has gone down further from the group, but I
Speaker 1: mean he's still kind of up there a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends how you're looking at it, but
Speaker 1: he he's still a guy that he has certain skills
Speaker 1: that it's hard to find in a running back. And
Speaker 1: it's like I said before, it's unfortunate that we didn't
Speaker 1: get to see it this past year, but I'm still
Speaker 1: not giving up on him, and I think he can
Speaker 1: get back into being one of the running backs that
Speaker 1: the NFL talks about as a high running back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad you're asked me last, because I
Speaker 1: would just say irrelevant. It's kind of like what David
Speaker 1: said earlier. It's irrelevant whether or not he is good
Speaker 1: or not, or top five or top ten because he
Speaker 1: is the top number one running back on your team,
Speaker 1: because that's what the contract says. And that's what you
Speaker 1: know when they drafted him fourth overall, they they knew
Speaker 1: they were going to have to do a deal like that,
Speaker 1: which m and they did and so and he deserved
Speaker 1: the deal. You know, he had played to that level.
Speaker 1: But that's what got Jerry Jones in trouble a long
Speaker 1: time ago, was paying these guys in the nineties from
Speaker 1: what they have done and not what they're going to do.
Speaker 1: It's hard to project. It's really hard to project. I
Speaker 1: do I agree with both of them. I think that
Speaker 1: they can. You know, He's he's good right now, he's
Speaker 1: on that second level. But you know, Zach Martin, Tyrant Smith,
Speaker 1: Lyell Collins, Dak Prescott, they're they're really they're really good
Speaker 1: for a reason, and they're and that's why that they
Speaker 1: make a lot of money. Are going to make a
Speaker 1: lot of money. So get those pieces around him, and
Speaker 1: I bet Zeke looks better. Yeah, you know the one thing.
Speaker 1: And I'll say this like, I think, as bad as
Speaker 1: the season was, relatively speaking for Zeke, I think there
Speaker 1: are a lot of things that suggests to me that
Speaker 1: he'll be back to that thirteen hundred to fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: range in yards next year. If those guys are back
Speaker 1: and healthy, if you've got his offensive lineback, I totally
Speaker 1: expect he'll be back in that range, which means he'll
Speaker 1: be up there. As I said before, there are only
Speaker 1: two guys above twelve hundred this year. He'll be right
Speaker 1: back up there in that top five next year if
Speaker 1: those things fall into place as far as the health
Speaker 1: of those guys. The one area of his game that
Speaker 1: I still have not seen him ascend to the level
Speaker 1: that I thought he would when they drafted him is
Speaker 1: his ability to catch out of the backfield. I remember
Speaker 1: having a conversation with Gary Brown at the time that
Speaker 1: they made this pick and him talking about how, hey, man,
Speaker 1: this guy can really catch the ball. I think one
Speaker 1: of the best parts about his game is that he
Speaker 1: can be a guy that can get catch balls out
Speaker 1: of the backfield and make something happen in the open field.
Speaker 1: We know he has ability to make plays in the
Speaker 1: open field, he just hasn't been consistent in catching the ball.
Speaker 1: And there are a number of times this season and
Speaker 1: really throughout his career when he's at opportunities and just
Speaker 1: doesn't make the catch. And so that's a part of
Speaker 1: his game that I really think. I would love for
Speaker 1: him to invest more time in that part of his
Speaker 1: game because I think if he gets better there, I
Speaker 1: think his total yards would be much better. I think
Speaker 1: he'd become a much better weapon for this team, especially
Speaker 1: knowing what you got at wide receiver and a tight end.
Speaker 1: I think you got guys that can clear out space
Speaker 1: for him and leave him in situations where he's only
Speaker 1: got one guy to basically beat, And I think in
Speaker 1: those situations it would be a great matchup for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He just hasn't been consistent enough catching the ball. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. I just I mean, I'm gonna sound
Speaker 1: like a jerk because I already said that I think
Speaker 1: Zeke is going to rebound. But I sort of take
Speaker 1: issue with the idea that Zeke is great at making
Speaker 1: plays in the open field, because that's been his biggest problem.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care how
Speaker 1: many Russian yards he winds up with, like that's a
Speaker 1: volume stat and especially with a guy like Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: behind him, Like I don't care if Zeke has fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred yards. I care if Zeke makes a couple of
Speaker 1: people miss and turns a four yard gain into a
Speaker 1: twenty two yard gain, or if Zeke slips the tackle
Speaker 1: on a screen and goes sixty yards, Like we haven't
Speaker 1: seen that enough. You know, he did it as a rookie.
Speaker 1: He's done it. He's shown that he's capable of doing it.
Speaker 1: But that's what's been missing from his game. And I
Speaker 1: know there is value in consistently getting four yard hammerings,
Speaker 1: and that's what you hear from Jerry Jones and Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy when this comes up. There is value in that.
Speaker 1: But that's not why I'm paying you fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: I'm paying you fifteen million dollars to catch the ball
Speaker 1: up the line of scrimmage, juke three tackles, and get
Speaker 1: forty yards down field. And that's what's been missing from
Speaker 1: Zeke's game. But I don't think he's had a lot
Speaker 1: of open field opportunities because, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: not this last year he had guys on him before
Speaker 1: you get get the ball most of the time. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think there were a lot of
Speaker 1: those opportunities this year. You do well, then that's on him,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Not Necessarily if the offensive line isn't well
Speaker 1: enough where he has those opportunities, that's on the offensive
Speaker 1: Why old on, let me throw this part into this.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if you're in the open field, if you're
Speaker 1: in the middle of the pile, if you're up by twenty,
Speaker 1: if you're down by four, if you're playing with the
Speaker 1: starting tackles or not, dacks of corbat doesn't matter. Fundling
Speaker 1: is a problem regardless, and that was his number one
Speaker 1: issue last year. It looked like he it just looked
Speaker 1: like he wasn't mentally focused at times. And that's hard
Speaker 1: to judge that about Zeke. I mean, he's kind of
Speaker 1: that way, a little bit kind of spacey, and sometimes
Speaker 1: I do think he's fo most of the time, but
Speaker 1: some of those fumbles just looked like they what you
Speaker 1: put it on because I actually think he was trying
Speaker 1: to do too much. I think a lot of those
Speaker 1: times he was He's trying to get that extra yard
Speaker 1: and not not thinking about ball security as much as
Speaker 1: this extra yard. Maybe that's that's my point. Then I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's over here thinking about playing Madden. I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking that, like or whatever. I'm just like, the
Speaker 1: focus wasn't always there, And maybe he'll admitted at one point,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think it wasn't as much fun
Speaker 1: when Dak was out. I could totally see that. I
Speaker 1: could absolutely totally see that. Yeah, right, No, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say I know I wasn't having fun. Now, I
Speaker 1: wasn't getting blasted twenty five times a game, So there's
Speaker 1: no ways he was having fun. Um No, And I
Speaker 1: mean there's something. There's something to what you're saying, for sure,
Speaker 1: but that kind of goes back to my point is
Speaker 1: for fifteen million dollars a year, I expect you to
Speaker 1: make something out of nothing. I like that's I mean,
Speaker 1: I expect that, and it's not. It's probably not fair,
Speaker 1: but welcome to the NFL, I guess no, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely fair. I think when you start
Speaker 1: factoring in the money, you pay guys big money because
Speaker 1: you expect them to be able to carry the team.
Speaker 1: I mean, what we've always said since Zeke has gotten
Speaker 1: here is this offense runs through Zeke. Last year he
Speaker 1: had an opportunity for it truly to run through him,
Speaker 1: and it couldn't like it wasn't moving through him. And
Speaker 1: part of that is I don't care how good of
Speaker 1: running back you are. When you don't have offensive line talent,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be as productive. And that's just the
Speaker 1: nature of it. That's not there's nothing we're gonna get
Speaker 1: around with that that's just the nature of it. Especially
Speaker 1: with his style of running. He is more of a
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a bruiser back than he
Speaker 1: is a an elusive you know, I'm gonna make three
Speaker 1: people miss type guy. He's not Barry Sanders. So so
Speaker 1: that being said, like, I just don't think without blocking
Speaker 1: he's going to be as effective. All right, let's real
Speaker 1: quick before the question real quick? Um, well, Elier, I
Speaker 1: think it was Nick that brought this point up as
Speaker 1: far as contract, and I mostly know about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: because I'm here and I see it on a day today. Basis,
Speaker 1: when it comes to giving a guy a contract and
Speaker 1: then we start seeing somewhat of a decline, are not
Speaker 1: necessarily that person meeting the expectations of the contract. Is
Speaker 1: that something very common that happens around the NFL just
Speaker 1: in other teams, that guys get a contract and then
Speaker 1: the next year they're just not really being as productive
Speaker 1: as you expected. Or is that something that mostly we
Speaker 1: say here with the Cowboys happens everywhere every year, every job.
Speaker 1: Probably Yeah, by the way, every year, huh, what'd you say?
Speaker 1: Why does you get so much crap? Why? What? Oh?
Speaker 1: The Cowboys? These players every time they get a contract
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, it's like, um, you're you're attacking them
Speaker 1: so so much. And I'm not saying us, but just
Speaker 1: everyone in general. So that's just something that's mostly common
Speaker 1: around the NFL and just something that kind of happens
Speaker 1: by design every time you give a big contract or
Speaker 1: extend a contract. But let's be clear. Let's be clear though,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that the great players
Speaker 1: in the league. That doesn't happen. So I think what
Speaker 1: happens is guys that have a decline. Then fans feel
Speaker 1: a little duped because they're like, we thought you were
Speaker 1: one of the great ones, and the Cowboys paid you
Speaker 1: like you were a great one, and you're turning out
Speaker 1: to be not a great win. You're turning out to
Speaker 1: be a good one that's being paid like a great one.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's where it kind of comes in, like,
Speaker 1: so we never have any great ones. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the case. I think they have some great players.
Speaker 1: But I think it's also a function of the fact that,
Speaker 1: again the last twenty five years, this team has not
Speaker 1: been good. I think there's been two guys in the
Speaker 1: last great I think two guys in the last ten
Speaker 1: years that have probably been that signed a really big
Speaker 1: extension and continued to play that way. I would say three.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, who you're two, Tyrn Smith and Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: Are you saying how long? I just went back ten years.
Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, because I was going back to
Speaker 1: Witten and and to Marcus and I think they I
Speaker 1: think they played up to the level of their contracts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would even say Tony did. Tony played up to
Speaker 1: the level of this contract. I never thought Whitten was
Speaker 1: breaking the bank anyway, man, I mean, and again that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Tyrn didn't either, right, So I don't think Tony actually,
Speaker 1: I mean Tony play up to this contract. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think. Not thirty it was like thirty million a year.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's it's hard. It's hard to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hard to do. You know. I
Speaker 1: love Tony, but but I mean just even a Marty Cooper.
Speaker 1: I mean, Marky Cooper had a really good year this year.
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see what happens. But I mean, back
Speaker 1: to her point, I remember one offseason where they did
Speaker 1: like four guys like two thousand and eight, they did.
Speaker 1: All these guys needed new deals, and none of them
Speaker 1: were good, you know, I mean, none of them lived
Speaker 1: up to it. It was Terence Newman, it was Marian Barber,
Speaker 1: Ums Hamlin, Hamlin, Yeah, all those guys. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's hard and it didn't work from there. Yeah, none
Speaker 1: of them became better players. And the main reason, too,
Speaker 1: is it goes back to, like d Law, everything you
Speaker 1: just said about the guy that's really good, that's paying great.
Speaker 1: I think him d Law, And I'm thinking, but but
Speaker 1: do you want to like not pay him? No, you can't.
Speaker 1: The problem. Can't pay that now you have a hole.
Speaker 1: And if you don't pay the guy, just like if
Speaker 1: you don't if you didn't pay Zeke a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, you run into that problem. And it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a hard deal. I guess maybe what
Speaker 1: Amber is saying, maybe we should all stop start changing
Speaker 1: our expectations and just expect that he got the money.
Speaker 1: But he's still the same player, and the same player
Speaker 1: is gonna be good in some some games, maybe not
Speaker 1: so good at others. I don't know, He's not going
Speaker 1: to be better. We gotta keep you got to keep arguing, like,
Speaker 1: we gotta keep doing that. That's what keep shows like
Speaker 1: this going well. Not not only that, but I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean I'm the first one, you
Speaker 1: know I would I think DeMarcus Lawrence he's not playing
Speaker 1: up to the con track that he's on, but like
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence is still a hell of a player. So
Speaker 1: I think it's important to keep that in mind. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, every Tuesday, these guys direct deposits
Speaker 1: hit for like a million and a half dollars a week,
Speaker 1: So that that's my like, deal with it. Oh, people
Speaker 1: are mean to you because you're making too much money.
Speaker 1: You know, you know how much I would care if
Speaker 1: I was in that situation. People take my way to
Speaker 1: the bank. Yeah, I would laugh my way to the
Speaker 1: bank every week and be like, how how much money
Speaker 1: just hit in my account? So they can deal with it.
Speaker 1: But a g I promise you it ain't. It ain't
Speaker 1: a cowboys thing. Literally, I mean the Rams just the
Speaker 1: Rams just bagged the Lions to take their number one
Speaker 1: overall thick off their hands. The Eagles. Everybody in the
Speaker 1: Eagles fan base hates Carson Wins like a year and
Speaker 1: a half after he was the savior. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: the Niners don't like Jimmy Garoppolo. I bet you. I
Speaker 1: wonder how much the Bears love Khalil Matt because I
Speaker 1: know he's still an amazing player, but how much is
Speaker 1: he helping them accomplish their goals of getting back to
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. They're having the same conversation, you know,
Speaker 1: fans are having the same conversation up there as fans
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys are having about DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very very rare that these guys live up to the
Speaker 1: expectations that the dollar signs put on them. All Right,
Speaker 1: So here's what we're gonna do real quick before we
Speaker 1: in the show. I want to get Super Bowl picks once.
Speaker 1: You just really quickly tell me who you think is
Speaker 1: gonna win game versus Kansas City and Tampa Bay. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you Ampa. I think I won't be mad
Speaker 1: on whoever wins the game, but I would like to
Speaker 1: see Kansas win again because I don't know, some Brady
Speaker 1: has done a hell of a jog over there, and
Speaker 1: the way he came back and made it happen and
Speaker 1: made it all the way back to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But man, that's just gonna be a one record, very
Speaker 1: hard to beat if he gets another Super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: don't It's hard to see a quarterback to get that
Speaker 1: many wins. So I would vote for Kansas Okay, Nick
Speaker 1: going with the Jayhawks. Also, stop those kids, Kansas City?
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, you know what, I agree. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see him. What's he getting? What's he got
Speaker 1: six already? Yeah? No, man, no, But but then again,
Speaker 1: if we're still doing this show in fifteen years, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, remember back when Mahomes only had one
Speaker 1: and now he's got nine. Yeah, I'll go with my Homes,
Speaker 1: all right, Dave, I'm not picking against Mahomes, but man,
Speaker 1: it would be. It would be the most NFL thing ever.
Speaker 1: I like, I'm just I'm not gonna be surprised if
Speaker 1: the Bucks win. I know, I just basically picked both teams.
Speaker 1: So I'll say Kansas City. I got Kansas City. Would
Speaker 1: like to turn out the LSU Fighting Tigers have six
Speaker 1: players in this game, So Alice, who's gonna win no
Speaker 1: matter what because there's three guys on each team, So
Speaker 1: go Tigers. You know such a David response, isn't it?
Speaker 1: We have a teammate like on our staff who's like
Speaker 1: Grandpa is the head coach, yeah of the Bucks. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're connected to them now, I will say this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually I don't want this to happen, but I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen. I think the Bucks are gonna
Speaker 1: win this game. I think right now, Kansas City is
Speaker 1: having so many issues on their offensive line. They lost
Speaker 1: their best offensive lineman for the season in that championship game,
Speaker 1: and I just I look at that and it matches
Speaker 1: up with something that that Tampa's been doing really well
Speaker 1: here in the playoffs, which is getting after the pass
Speaker 1: of Shack Barrett has been amazing. I just I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be the story of this game. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how it happens, because I've yet to
Speaker 1: see a game where Pat Mahomes for an entire game
Speaker 1: gets held down. But I do think this all is
Speaker 1: working towards something like that, where this is a situation
Speaker 1: where Tampa Bay pulls it out and gets a close win.
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes, but I don't want that
Speaker 1: to happen. I really want Kanna City win. I like
Speaker 1: Kansas City. I'm rooting for them, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna win. All Right, We'll appreciate you guys joining us.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on next week. We'll maybe get through
Speaker 1: more of this offensive line break or this offensive breakdown.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the tight ends and offensive line next week.
Speaker 1: Till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Helman, Amber Garcia. I
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