Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fire Drill. My name is Ryan French.
Speaker 1: I'm really lucky that we get to record these on Sundays,
Speaker 1: get to listen to Michael Bamberger and Alan Shipnick talk golf.
Speaker 1: They have so many great stories. Hopefully I add a
Speaker 1: little bit of levity to the whole situation. But I'm
Speaker 1: super super lucky to record these. This week's was no
Speaker 1: different at all. Uh. We talked Rory, we talked Yannick Paul,
Speaker 1: We talked whether he should ever sub end his twin
Speaker 1: brother to play for him if he ever got injured.
Speaker 1: We talk about a word I've never heard before. Those
Speaker 1: parents are two really great people. I mean his mom,
Speaker 1: but you're right, the dad is so tacitured and like
Speaker 1: to tell you why whoa whoa wha. You can just
Speaker 1: throw words like tacit turt what did you say? And
Speaker 1: they bust my balls that I never heard of it. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's a wild trip. And this is what a fire
Speaker 1: drill has become real quick. Before we get into the
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of the fire drill, I just want
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Speaker 1: uh and very very huge part of what we're doing
Speaker 1: with that. Here's three of us talking this weekend golf.
Speaker 1: I got in my head. Can't get John nothing thing
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about, can't get them down, not think
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. Hello, and welcome back to their
Speaker 1: Fire Drill podcast. This is Alan Schipnik. It's a Sunday.
Speaker 1: That means Michael Bamt and Ryan French are online here
Speaker 1: to do this thing. So guys, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: Michael was a silent start. He leaned in like he
Speaker 1: was gonna say something. Hello, Allen, Hello Michael. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's just get into the news the day here.
Speaker 1: Rory McElroy world number one, where he belongs, right, Like
Speaker 1: we've we've talked a lot about Rory this year. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been the keynote player, he's been the best player
Speaker 1: in the world weekend and week out. We've talked about
Speaker 1: him coming up short at the majors. Like I'd like
Speaker 1: to go to like a little different direction here, Michael,
Speaker 1: because I feel like you wrote the first really big
Speaker 1: feature in the American press about Rory, like going on
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years ago, you know the remember the
Speaker 1: story I'm talking about was on the cover of the
Speaker 1: Golf Plus a Master's Preview. And uh, and you've always
Speaker 1: I know, you and Jerry have always had good mojo.
Speaker 1: And um, I mean tell a listener is a little
Speaker 1: bit about Rory that they may not have gleaned from
Speaker 1: just watching him play golf and listening to his press conferences. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm people who follow really closely would
Speaker 1: know this, but but many would not. He's an only child,
Speaker 1: just as Tiger Woods is, and just as a Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas's just as uh, excuse me, Tigres really not. But
Speaker 1: but with his mom and his dad. His mom had
Speaker 1: only one child, and Justin Thomas and Michelle Wee and uh,
Speaker 1: he was the subject of intense focus from from from
Speaker 1: his parents. But it was very different than Earle because
Speaker 1: they raised him. I know this is ancient history, but
Speaker 1: it really informs the whole man and why I think
Speaker 1: so many of us are really drawn to him. Uh.
Speaker 1: They raised him with like it's important to when it's important.
Speaker 1: You know, of course, try your hardest and be the
Speaker 1: best golf per camp, but don't lose sight of your
Speaker 1: humanity and your soul and uh, and you see it.
Speaker 1: We've seen it his whole career. We watched his whole
Speaker 1: career unfold. He was I believe nineteen when when your
Speaker 1: first term probably might have been eighteen online when and
Speaker 1: we saw him for the first time at at CARNUSI
Speaker 1: when when Harrington one remember Gary Vinsickle telling me very excitedly,
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of him. He said, I saw this kid.
Speaker 1: But he's like landing, but he can put. And uh
Speaker 1: there was his need and advanced Sickle for our listeners
Speaker 1: who don't know, is a super knowledgeable uh golf colleague
Speaker 1: of ours and a good friend and a great guy. Uh.
Speaker 1: And but I guess I'm going so far back because
Speaker 1: today in his victory, uh, you can just see how
Speaker 1: much the game means to him, the process means to him.
Speaker 1: And and this is not a comment on Live at all.
Speaker 1: That nothing he's guaranteed or given to you in this game.
Speaker 1: And you know he he was a little shaky down
Speaker 1: the stretch, but he but he you know, had to
Speaker 1: use the tiger where he had the cushion and so
Speaker 1: he he's gonna root for and um, you know for
Speaker 1: him to be the number one player in the game.
Speaker 1: And him to represent the PGA Tour on the world
Speaker 1: stage right now and to handle all his press obligations
Speaker 1: and all his intra office or you know, with within
Speaker 1: the PHA Tour headquarters obligations so well is a tremendous
Speaker 1: credit to the game. It's funny when you think about
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, I mean, the two biggest stars
Speaker 1: by far, and even if you if you go back
Speaker 1: forty years, you account Greg Norman, you know, because he
Speaker 1: was the guy through in the ladies and eighties into
Speaker 1: the nineties. I mean, Tiger and Phil have both had
Speaker 1: so much controversy and scandal and they've been so polarizing
Speaker 1: Norman as well. Um, but I think Rory macrel is
Speaker 1: the rare athlete that everybody likes and roots were. I'm
Speaker 1: talking not just in golf, in sports. And of course
Speaker 1: there's some live loyalists who you know, maybe I take
Speaker 1: exception to um some of the statements Roy has made.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean, Ryan, can you think of
Speaker 1: any athlete in any sport that it has the universal
Speaker 1: respect and admiration that Rory does. And I think he's
Speaker 1: done it. Guys. What I have loved about Rory is
Speaker 1: that I don't have to agree with him all the time,
Speaker 1: that he's relatively outspoken live social issues, whatever, and still
Speaker 1: seems to be well liked, and obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: his views I would say, I mean, obviously politically goes
Speaker 1: against what a lot of golf fans believe, but still
Speaker 1: is pretty well respected. I I respect the hell out
Speaker 1: of the fact that he just says obviously it's it's
Speaker 1: toned down a bit, it's not Robert Darius style, but
Speaker 1: it is like he says what he wants and even
Speaker 1: if that's not the easy way out. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people respect it. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I I don't know anyone who just like, man, I
Speaker 1: really hate Rory Methelroy Like, I don't know why you would? You? Alan,
Speaker 1: is a good interesting question. I think that the one,
Speaker 1: the one maybe equivalent person would Uh. And you know,
Speaker 1: Rory style is a little bit more excitable than Farah
Speaker 1: is the ultimate, you know, smooth customer. Uh. But you
Speaker 1: know there's another person who's you know, long long career
Speaker 1: talked a lot. As Ryan was saying, was was open
Speaker 1: with his opinions. Uh. And uh, you know it's neat
Speaker 1: to see Rory following that that kind of example. It's
Speaker 1: been a while since golf golf is had and even
Speaker 1: the fact that Rory can't win the big one in
Speaker 1: some ways makes him more appealing. I mean, it gives
Speaker 1: us something that critique and you know, okay, his chipping
Speaker 1: and pitching was wasn't good enough at the old course.
Speaker 1: That's why he lost that one. And you can you
Speaker 1: know some of his course managining decisions that Augusta and
Speaker 1: you can go on down the list that and usually
Speaker 1: we just like winners. We gravitate towards winners, and if
Speaker 1: you can't win the big one, it's it's this mortal sin.
Speaker 1: Of course, he has won four, but it feels like
Speaker 1: ancient history. But I think it makes Rory more appealing
Speaker 1: because we've we've lived through the age of Tiger where
Speaker 1: he was the ultimate winning machine. But he gave you
Speaker 1: so little of himself, unlike Rory. Yeah, I think, I
Speaker 1: mean again, it goes back to how honest he is.
Speaker 1: It's just like he talks through that, you know, the
Speaker 1: stings and those hurt, and it's not like cliche after
Speaker 1: cliche of like, oh we have another one in four
Speaker 1: weeks and I got beat by It's like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: it sucks and I should be winning more and I don't.
Speaker 1: So I think if it was you know, I mean Tiger,
Speaker 1: as you guys know way better than I do, is
Speaker 1: the cliche king And just like there's a robot up
Speaker 1: there for the most of his career, like Rory is
Speaker 1: anything but that. And I think despite his success, in
Speaker 1: his lack of success in majors of late, we still
Speaker 1: like him because he stands up there and says how
Speaker 1: it is. And and two quick notes on that. Rhyme wrote.
Speaker 1: Note number one is you're only gonna have probably one
Speaker 1: you know, if you're wearing McRoy, maybe you can squeeze
Speaker 1: and maybe one more and maybe maybe maybe two more chances. Uh.
Speaker 1: We're someone who's from Northern Ireland, you know, from from
Speaker 1: uh is irish identifies himself as Irish. To win an
Speaker 1: Open championship on the Old Course and then to have
Speaker 1: it right there, Uh, and think that you're doing everything
Speaker 1: right by playing conservative golf and taking a page Nicolas
Speaker 1: and then not getting done because the guys, she's alredy
Speaker 1: on you. That's hard to come back from. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, everything is so compressed now, but it used
Speaker 1: to be that you'd have a disappointment like that and
Speaker 1: you know, you could crawl into bed for a couple
Speaker 1: of years before you get over it. So for uh so,
Speaker 1: I think that's very significant. And then just one quick
Speaker 1: straight up that I wanted to share before I forgot.
Speaker 1: It was years ago when he was only on the
Speaker 1: tour for I would say maybe about really about two
Speaker 1: years so, still really feeling his way up. A friend
Speaker 1: of mine who was who was prominent in Gulf was
Speaker 1: we wanted it to test the water to see if
Speaker 1: if Rory might be interested in playing the Pebble Beach Tournament,
Speaker 1: you know, the a t and tape Pebble Beach pro
Speaker 1: am with him, and Rory said, right there in spot,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not it's not on my calendar. It's
Speaker 1: probably not something I was gonna do. And if I
Speaker 1: were going to do it, I would want to play
Speaker 1: with my dad or someone that you know, I have
Speaker 1: a genuine closeness with, and that's not how most people think,
Speaker 1: especially you know, he was only in his early twenties then,
Speaker 1: so I admired him for that, right whereas Phil every
Speaker 1: year playing the clam Bake he would play with the
Speaker 1: CEO whatever endorsement partner, his contract was going to run
Speaker 1: out on Like it was purely networking and it was
Speaker 1: a business decision. And yeah, while his dad was out there.
Speaker 1: His dad was out there with the periscope. Does that
Speaker 1: when see my son? Yeah, that's such a great pool
Speaker 1: because for those who never saw Philip Michelson and Phils
Speaker 1: not a junior because he has a different middle name
Speaker 1: from his dad, but feels old. Man sold this thing
Speaker 1: called the sports Scope because he was frustrated he couldn't
Speaker 1: see his son play. And it was it looked like
Speaker 1: this homemade kind of cardboard. It was like you know,
Speaker 1: up telescope and you could you could just watch over
Speaker 1: people's shoulders and it was he was so cute. He
Speaker 1: was out there selling these for years on the PJ
Speaker 1: and then the events go ahead. Yeah, I mean this
Speaker 1: is why I'm so lucky. People always ask me, like
Speaker 1: what's this? Like I had no clue about that. Okay, zero,
Speaker 1: and like this is why it's such an honor to
Speaker 1: sit here. But enough called Phil Mickelson Sr. We haven't
Speaker 1: talked about Michael's shirt yet, Okay, okay, well quick note
Speaker 1: about quick note about my shirt and it's the following.
Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson Senior is one of the gentlest, quietest, most
Speaker 1: humble people you could never possibly want to meet. You
Speaker 1: would never in a million years expect that that Phil
Speaker 1: would be. Phil's parents are too really great people. I mean,
Speaker 1: his mom an extrovert. But you're right. The dad is
Speaker 1: so tacitured and like to tell you something about the
Speaker 1: blood fans. Wh whoa, whoa, words like tacit turret. What
Speaker 1: did you say, Brian, Come on, come, come on. You
Speaker 1: know you're not fooling us. I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I assume it means quiet and yeah, but sneak at
Speaker 1: the Michelson's to give you some insight into what the
Speaker 1: parents are like. When the when the open was a
Speaker 1: Eth page, I saw them on the train and they
Speaker 1: were commuting getting out of Manhattan like with with with
Speaker 1: all the with all the fans. You know, they were
Speaker 1: in a town car. They were they were just like
Speaker 1: on the train. And as you know, Alan, but Ryan
Speaker 1: might not frugal, like you wouldn't believe that ton car
Speaker 1: is a hundred dollars. There's no way I can just
Speaker 1: imagine it. It's about what it was because I know that,
Speaker 1: because those are the glory days of the I expect account.
Speaker 1: I just typed in tacit turt what I thought would
Speaker 1: be tacit turt right. Isn't it turn the end? Oh
Speaker 1: turn tested, turn right? I have that English set score.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're you're in Michigan. You don't take the
Speaker 1: s A t it would take? It didn't go great?
Speaker 1: Uh test turn reserved or uncommunicative in speech, saying little
Speaker 1: you want to hear a shocker shiptop scott as wicked
Speaker 1: high math s a T score I've leave Is that true?
Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah? Yeah, but his shrug it's obvious.
Speaker 1: He's just like, yeah, I'll tell it. Nobody cares. Again,
Speaker 1: many people are just gonna listen to this podcast. They're
Speaker 1: not actually gonna see Michael's shirt, which it appears to
Speaker 1: have a giant Paisley's. But from a certain orientation they
Speaker 1: kind of, I mean, sorry, Michael, they kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, sperm and the Petrie dish when they're trying
Speaker 1: to get free. Yeah, I mean I feel like underdressed.
Speaker 1: I know that. I was like, I'm in sweatpants, just
Speaker 1: like a shower, throwing my golf ticket throwing golf teche
Speaker 1: d Shirt. I come down and Michael is like pristine,
Speaker 1: and I mean the starts coming off of that thing.
Speaker 1: It's like he went to the drug Winners just like
Speaker 1: full starch and they're like full and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: full thing could stand up by itself, just like I'm
Speaker 1: not sure Michael's in that thing. I'm out. Yeah, he's good. Fine, Well,
Speaker 1: this is theoretically a golf podcast. Let's try and get
Speaker 1: back to the golf here. Guy, okaycast, would you mind
Speaker 1: have to introduced the subject please? Well, you know, our company,
Speaker 1: the fire Pit Collective, is based in San Diego. I
Speaker 1: live in Philadelphia and the represent the I am the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Bureau, and we've had a very good series, is
Speaker 1: very well played. I went to the last night's game today.
Speaker 1: The Phillies are you know, uh clinch the national championship,
Speaker 1: the going to the World Series for the first time
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine. And there are a lot of
Speaker 1: parallels and a lot of differences between between between golf
Speaker 1: and baseball. UM, but something sort of became like the
Speaker 1: emotion that I felt just watching the Phillies played the
Speaker 1: way into the World Series again. Um. First of shows
Speaker 1: you no matter how far away you get from baseball,
Speaker 1: it will, like they say in that movie, it will
Speaker 1: pull you back in. You know, once you got the
Speaker 1: once you got, once you got the carriaging. But what
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to say is, and this
Speaker 1: is so obvious, and I know you've thought about Live
Speaker 1: every which way, but I haven't really heard this conversation.
Speaker 1: Is golf even meant to be a global game? And
Speaker 1: the reason I say that is because the fan base
Speaker 1: for baseball is so porobial. And now Japan has its
Speaker 1: own World Series. We don't know anything about it, but
Speaker 1: the people in Japan care a great deal about it,
Speaker 1: and I just wonder it's like a starting point if
Speaker 1: this Lived series actually even makes sense, because it is
Speaker 1: what Norman has always wanted to be, in effect, a
Speaker 1: global golf tour. And maybe sports aren't really set up
Speaker 1: for that because aside from the Olympics, you know, Formula one,
Speaker 1: maybe what really is Allen? Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: golf has always been more global. I mean, obviously, the
Speaker 1: Open Championship is the oldest tournament and it's it's forever
Speaker 1: drawn Australians and South Africans and South Americans and um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just been it's been played everywhere. And
Speaker 1: unlike the sports you mentioned, the players, you know, how
Speaker 1: many how many Australian opens a Jack Nicholas when I
Speaker 1: think five or six? You know, Um, like these guys
Speaker 1: have always traveled even when it wasn't so easy. So
Speaker 1: Norman would probably say that what he's doing instead of
Speaker 1: having a Japanese World Series, in an American World Series
Speaker 1: and a Dominican World Series, we're gonna bring all under
Speaker 1: under one roof. And now it might be you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a great idea as you're suggesting, but
Speaker 1: I think I think there was a global appetite. But
Speaker 1: like one of the greatest sporting I's ever went to
Speaker 1: was the All Star game, UM in the Winter Leagues
Speaker 1: Venezuelan Baseball. It was absolute madhouse. It was so much fun.
Speaker 1: I was there because Jonathan Vegas throughout the first pitch
Speaker 1: and I was doing a big feature about his return
Speaker 1: to Venezuela and all the complicated politics that surrounded that,
Speaker 1: and that's an incredible story. But um, you know, I
Speaker 1: just remember sitting there because I grew up going to
Speaker 1: Giants games at Candlestick Park, when it was frigid and
Speaker 1: just thinking I wish, I wish the Giants games were
Speaker 1: this much fun and people are playing the drums and
Speaker 1: their dancing the aisles, and it was just the play
Speaker 1: by play guy was out of control on on the
Speaker 1: mic for the whole stadium. And so I think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's a chance to these sports can have their
Speaker 1: own little bits of flair um regionally. But you know,
Speaker 1: baseball's baseball, Golf is golf. I mean it does cross borders.
Speaker 1: So I hear what you're saying. But I feel like
Speaker 1: golf has always been a global sport and we've had
Speaker 1: a World Golf Championships now since the nineties. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I think the two bag yeah with Ryan,
Speaker 1: no one cares examples that you're giving or sort I
Speaker 1: think prove it the other way. I mean, a few
Speaker 1: times a year, the whole golf wild comes together and
Speaker 1: we really care. But if you start pulling, if you
Speaker 1: start really drilling in with Tom Lehman had whether one
Speaker 1: or Justin Leonard, uh, you know, Ben Curtis, Todd Hamilton's
Speaker 1: you give them one championship, one may your championship one.
Speaker 1: The Open British Open or the U s Open. Of
Speaker 1: course they're all those guys are all going to pick
Speaker 1: the US Open. And you know, for f Rory and
Speaker 1: other people, if you can only give them one, they'd
Speaker 1: win that with British Open a heartbeat. So I wouldn't
Speaker 1: really agree with that. I think it's I think we
Speaker 1: are just wired to be regional. Yeah, that's that's a
Speaker 1: good one. I think that's some thought. I mean, for sure,
Speaker 1: it makes no sense to go a place like Jetta,
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, where there's no history, there's no fan base,
Speaker 1: and that was reflected by the total apathy of the
Speaker 1: local fans. Um. But you know these if you take
Speaker 1: it to places that have great golf tradition, I think
Speaker 1: it um. You know, I think it's got potential, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's an interesting argument. Michael and
Speaker 1: I hadn't really give it too much thought. Okay, I
Speaker 1: have a question before we get to my question that
Speaker 1: we prepared for and we never prepared for anything. I
Speaker 1: sent a picture to Michael and Alan. Uh. Instead we
Speaker 1: were going to talk about this, but this is not it.
Speaker 1: As golf fans, Okay, today we're all like oh Rory
Speaker 1: one Ron was in the mix. How great it was? Right?
Speaker 1: Look at Allen is like, think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a smart ass comment. I can tell by your smirt,
Speaker 1: and it's not. It's not going to be a smart
Speaker 1: it's actually gonna be an actually question. Like, so it's
Speaker 1: a no cut event, right, and we're all like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is great. Rory and Ram are in the thing
Speaker 1: right now. Let's take the political side of Live out.
Speaker 1: Why is live not working? Because they had kind of
Speaker 1: a good they had a great leaderboard last in the
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and obviously there's time and whatever, and we're
Speaker 1: all slamming it is like no cut of fan blah
Speaker 1: blah blah and me included. I'm not saying just all
Speaker 1: of us. That's what we had today. It's a no
Speaker 1: cut of It's the World of Golf Classic basically in
Speaker 1: the field. Like everybody's like, oh, the live field, the
Speaker 1: bottom half. Go look at the bottom half of the
Speaker 1: CJ Cup today. Trust me, there is some bad golf
Speaker 1: being played. Okay. Two dudes shot twenty over okay, and
Speaker 1: another dude shot seventeen over. There's plenty of bad playing.
Speaker 1: Why do we are we giving them a pass? And
Speaker 1: I include myself in that, like we it was a
Speaker 1: live event with a few more players and a few
Speaker 1: more holes being played. Well and Ryan, just very good question,
Speaker 1: but just starting to work. One second, I'm not for
Speaker 1: a minute writing off Live or its future because uh,
Speaker 1: I think I don't mean writing it. I think they've
Speaker 1: shown very good application of intelligence and money today. I
Speaker 1: actually think it's amazing the year that they've they've had
Speaker 1: for that for that first year, my Michael, I don't
Speaker 1: mean ust in general. I'm talking like, you know, golf
Speaker 1: people in general, like, oh, it was you know, it
Speaker 1: was Brooks and and DJ, Like whoa dude, it was
Speaker 1: Brooks and DJ, right like, Like, I agree, they've made
Speaker 1: way more. I think we all admit and anyone who
Speaker 1: has a reasonable like take a minute, it's like they've
Speaker 1: made in roads. Well to your point, Ryan, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so much shouting in the conversation about living the
Speaker 1: tour and a lot of the nuance gets lost and
Speaker 1: you know the fact is a lot of tour events
Speaker 1: are really weak. They just are. And um, people that
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge that. I mean, there's the players who
Speaker 1: are in those in those events like in the Fall whatever,
Speaker 1: there it's life changing for them and they're playing their
Speaker 1: hearts out. But you know, there's that they don't have
Speaker 1: the pedigree and so that that exists without a doubt.
Speaker 1: But um yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone's pretending
Speaker 1: to c J Cup is a big time event. But
Speaker 1: when you get, you get wrong and you get Roy,
Speaker 1: we get it's exciting. And the question is when you
Speaker 1: when you get camp Smith against Brooks, why is that
Speaker 1: not so exciting on live? I mean to me, part
Speaker 1: of it is the lack of TV presentation. You know,
Speaker 1: it just feels small time on YouTube. And you know
Speaker 1: that that definitely, I think affects how we think about it,
Speaker 1: and um yeah, it's completely um yeah, there's some inconsistency. Hey,
Speaker 1: I just gotta Jake, you can whatever, do whatever you
Speaker 1: want with this. But I just got a text they
Speaker 1: are playing a fucking pro am at the final stage
Speaker 1: of Q School. What what? What has it ever happened before? Never?
Speaker 1: I literally just got a text from an agent final
Speaker 1: stage of Q School official pro am. How much does
Speaker 1: across the plane the thing I'd like to get in it?
Speaker 1: I mean, but we could fly home, Michael and plane
Speaker 1: it leave this in this leave this in Jake. That's insane, right,
Speaker 1: that's insane and I can't even process that. But like
Speaker 1: the LPGA was having, they were having pro ams during
Speaker 1: their majors for a long time. I mean, okay, major's
Speaker 1: is bad, Q school, Q school way worse some majors.
Speaker 1: Who's going to Who's going to sign up for that?
Speaker 1: In other words, this is the tensest week of the
Speaker 1: player's life, just gonna wat to play with the golfer
Speaker 1: And no, that's a problem. The people who are going
Speaker 1: to sign up will have no clue what that week means,
Speaker 1: and they're just like, well, that guy was pretty much
Speaker 1: a jerk. Book. Yeah, he seemed to be stressed out.
Speaker 1: I thought this was a program where the guy is
Speaker 1: supposed to shake my fucking hand, like this isn't the
Speaker 1: centers and fucking farms that that the classic thing to
Speaker 1: do would be for a group of guys to sign
Speaker 1: up and then not play. Yeah then the guy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you're just donating money to the PGA tour. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. Marshall approximately ten teams starting at approximately
Speaker 1: thirty one on a Wednesday, November six, Two teams comprised
Speaker 1: of one professional and three amateurs at fucking Q School,
Speaker 1: not not just three hameters three hackers. Like, anyone who
Speaker 1: knows that they shouldn't sign up is not going to
Speaker 1: sign up. The people are going to sign up is
Speaker 1: the thirty five handicapper who's like, of course, I'd love
Speaker 1: to play with the pro golfer for five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: That seems like great. And you have lawyers in your family.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a tax deduction? If you played
Speaker 1: the pro am where the tour was the the nonprofit
Speaker 1: PJ Tour is the beneficiary? Could you write it off? Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean is the US when you play, if you
Speaker 1: play in you know, the first to open, you're you're
Speaker 1: making the checkout of the Monterey Peninsula Foundation and they're
Speaker 1: the charitable arm. Now, I don't know, has is there
Speaker 1: a designated charitable beneficiary for Q School? I mean that's
Speaker 1: an insting question. Ryan doesn't say in the form checks
Speaker 1: payable to j Monahan. I mean, it's just like it's
Speaker 1: a letter from you know, just bullet points where to park,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and then just thrown in the middle
Speaker 1: it just says pro wam pro Am. I am I'm stunned.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: we jest, but the tour is draining their reserves. They've
Speaker 1: they've gone, they put all their chips into the middle
Speaker 1: of the table. They just built whatever hundred million dollar headquarters,
Speaker 1: whatever that final cost was. Like you know, you've been
Speaker 1: talking about the raising the prices at Q school. They're
Speaker 1: doing this, doing that. I mean, it's possible that someone
Speaker 1: is sounding the alarm in part of Beak saying guys
Speaker 1: like we are at a serious revenue deficit and we
Speaker 1: need to we need to make every five dollars we
Speaker 1: can and any which way. So it's it seems totally bizarre.
Speaker 1: But if you look in the context of the tours,
Speaker 1: never shelled out this much money. Yeah, for a devalued product.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, Wow, I would. I am going
Speaker 1: to do an article and interview the fifty amateurs as
Speaker 1: they come off of the of the course, Like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that guy was a real jerk. He's pretty stressed out,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I thought this was fun. Worse
Speaker 1: tiger what anyway? That is one well, so one thing
Speaker 1: I want to talk about just because you know, kind
Speaker 1: of rounding up the week a little bit and we
Speaker 1: are guilty of not giving enough airtime to our great
Speaker 1: friends on the LPGA. But Lydia Co won over in
Speaker 1: um in Korea. She's she's leading the points race and
Speaker 1: the scoring title and she's having another banner year. Really,
Speaker 1: you have to go back to like two thousand sixteen
Speaker 1: when she was playing at this level, and Lydia Co
Speaker 1: is on my favorite people in golf. And when I
Speaker 1: think about her as a teenager, that was the purest,
Speaker 1: most natural golf I've ever witnessed my own eyes, Like
Speaker 1: she just made it look so easy, totally unencombered by
Speaker 1: swing thoughts, just had incredible feel for the game and
Speaker 1: a Jordan's speed, likability to get the ball in the
Speaker 1: hole from unusual places, and um so I'm delighted that
Speaker 1: she's back, you know, to being a superstar once again.
Speaker 1: And i just want to give her a shout out.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying how old without looking how old
Speaker 1: is Lydiac Michael's frozen in time? No, I'm I don't
Speaker 1: want to make a bad guess. I'm not all right, Alan,
Speaker 1: Alan gave me what I thought Alan might know. But
Speaker 1: since he's in, but go, I mean, go fire away.
Speaker 1: Oh God, it's gonna be embarrassing. That's a great guess.
Speaker 1: She's I mean, does not feel like she's been part
Speaker 1: of our lives for like ever. I mean I would
Speaker 1: be like, I mean, it just shows how young the
Speaker 1: women's game is is Like, I mean, she has been forever.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like you would think that I would
Speaker 1: you know if I didn't know, because I know, but
Speaker 1: like and they get ten years ago as an anima,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, she's she's when you see her in person, Uh,
Speaker 1: you can't believe how slender she is. And to hit
Speaker 1: it as far as she does, I mean, it really
Speaker 1: shows you what mechanics will do. Yeah, the efficiency this is,
Speaker 1: this is what I can't pinpoint the year. It's probably
Speaker 1: six or seven years ago. Um I I spent a
Speaker 1: David Lydia in San Francisco because her this sort of
Speaker 1: a joint venture between her people at i MG and LPGA.
Speaker 1: They wanted to film this fun videos. The idea was
Speaker 1: she would play a made up golf course through San Francisco,
Speaker 1: all these you know, iconic spots. She hit a put
Speaker 1: down Lombard Street and we hit a hit a t
Speaker 1: shot off of Alcatraz. It was a great idea, but
Speaker 1: it turned out to be an incredibly long day because
Speaker 1: it's not easy to get around San Francisco and the
Speaker 1: park and get the film crew, and I mean it
Speaker 1: was like we basically went from dawn to dusk for
Speaker 1: what turned out to be a very short little social
Speaker 1: media video. But she was. She was so delightful and
Speaker 1: we're driving around. You know, there's there's there's a great
Speaker 1: mural and it's Scott Uh, you know, Jimi Hendrix and
Speaker 1: Jazz Joplin and the Great and Jerry Garcia and um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to think Els is on. There
Speaker 1: a bunch of you know, perhaps yeah, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if Tony Benn was on. It was but like all
Speaker 1: these musicians who have passed through San Francisco and played
Speaker 1: an important part, and so we we we quizzed her
Speaker 1: and she didn't know a single one of them, which
Speaker 1: is not you know, she was whatever sixteen but it
Speaker 1: was so funny and um just the this. She might
Speaker 1: have been eighteen, but I mean she was still I
Speaker 1: think she was late. Yeah, she was a teenager. Was
Speaker 1: that the swinging was that the swinging skirts event that
Speaker 1: used to have Yeah, I think I think it was
Speaker 1: pegged to that that was a great event at um
Speaker 1: that lake More said, which funny enough, I just I
Speaker 1: may have wangled and invite they just Gil Hants just
Speaker 1: redid it and it reopen and yesterday and um, I
Speaker 1: saw some people playing on social media, so I hit
Speaker 1: him up. And it's closed to guests and throughout the
Speaker 1: end of this year. But I'm like, you gotta make
Speaker 1: exception for reporters were trying to, like, you know, build
Speaker 1: some buzz for you. You know, like, uh yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: they're afraid that you won't like it, and they know
Speaker 1: that you're a truth when it comes through. I like,
Speaker 1: I like the old lake and I said, in fact,
Speaker 1: it's it's the scene until and we you know, we
Speaker 1: can touch on this or not. But since our last podcast,
Speaker 1: I didn't make my first hole in one and but
Speaker 1: there is twitter debate. I know we'll get into that.
Speaker 1: But the most devastating near miss of my entire life
Speaker 1: was I played in the pro am at the Swinging
Speaker 1: Skirts with Christina Kim and I think it's a third hole.
Speaker 1: It's steeply downhill. Part three pin was way on the
Speaker 1: right and Christina is like, the only hit this close
Speaker 1: you have to land it on the fringe right of
Speaker 1: the of the whole and it'll it'll go dead sideways
Speaker 1: towards the flag. And one of the rare times in
Speaker 1: my life, I did exactly I was trying to do
Speaker 1: and it was tracked in the whole way, and the
Speaker 1: people were in the green were getting excited and we
Speaker 1: were dead silent, and it lipped out like didn't after
Speaker 1: you can see a horse shoe. I still have a
Speaker 1: glass I want for closest to the pin. But and
Speaker 1: I fell to my knees in anguish because it looked
Speaker 1: so good and it was like a slow trickle. It
Speaker 1: was agonizing. We had so much time to watch it
Speaker 1: play out. So I'm gonna ask the question, where, Ryan,
Speaker 1: does did you make the butt? I made? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I made, I mean expired like four inches. It was.
Speaker 1: It was so painful because to have I mean, there's
Speaker 1: probably fifty people out there and Christina, you know I'm
Speaker 1: great friends with and like that would have been an
Speaker 1: epic first one. But yeah, so let's get into the debate.
Speaker 1: So I was playing the hunted hole hike. We were
Speaker 1: at the Peter Hay golf Course in Pebble Beat and
Speaker 1: so yes, it's the holes are short. The one I
Speaker 1: the one that happened to knocking it was I think
Speaker 1: sixty one yards. So um. I fully understand those who
Speaker 1: think it should have an ASTERIXK. But after a lifetime
Speaker 1: of near misss is and bad luck, I'm like, screw it, man,
Speaker 1: I'm counting it. I'm I've already ordered the plaque. You
Speaker 1: can't take it away from you. Here here is my think.
Speaker 1: This is my take coming from a person who had
Speaker 1: a hole in one on a part three course. Now
Speaker 1: it was two times as long as your hole in one.
Speaker 1: But here is I always always say this is if
Speaker 1: the person who made the hole in one thinks it's
Speaker 1: a hole in one, it's a fucking hole in one.
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter, like I think I made a
Speaker 1: hole in one, Like I don't. I could care less
Speaker 1: what J. J. Kleen thinks. That JJ is a great
Speaker 1: dude and a fun guy and hilarious, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to think that I made a hole in one.
Speaker 1: I was there, I made one. I didn't. I think
Speaker 1: that's a great definition. I totally agree with that. And
Speaker 1: I was, as you were saying, I think, just to
Speaker 1: binder a little bit but your definition is perfect. If
Speaker 1: you've got a story to tell about the one that
Speaker 1: you made, it is a hole in one. Otherwise you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a story to tell. JJ had one of
Speaker 1: the most biting Twitter comments of all. He said, of
Speaker 1: my eight nice chip in that's not true. It was
Speaker 1: a sawed off lob wedge or sand wedge. Higher, a
Speaker 1: little higher, and that toe is turning over. That's not
Speaker 1: a fair comment. Yeah, no, I know what it's but
Speaker 1: but also I mean he should be told, Alan, and
Speaker 1: you know this to be true. And I got this
Speaker 1: straight from Tom Weiscope, who knows it's a chip if
Speaker 1: it spends more time on the ground than in the air.
Speaker 1: And that certainly did not. So I rejected, rejected, compank you, Michael.
Speaker 1: And we all know that there's some some there's plenty
Speaker 1: of weird hole in ones where it gets a funky bounce.
Speaker 1: This if you this is the hardest green by far
Speaker 1: at Peter, Hey, it's extremely shallow. I appreciate this cell.
Speaker 1: Appreciate this cell job so much. You really do it?
Speaker 1: What did tigers C do about it? Yeah? I know.
Speaker 1: I almost considered texting Mark Steinberg and being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I made an ace on Tigers of course, can can
Speaker 1: I have like, can I get him on the phone
Speaker 1: to talk about the making of when why Why did
Speaker 1: Why did you not just sex tired directly? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: Philly changes his number a lot. But yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: so let's get back to the let's stay focused here,
Speaker 1: let's labor focus. This might be the rest of the
Speaker 1: podcast of three parts if we're just gonna So it's
Speaker 1: like extremely shallow green and it has this big swell
Speaker 1: on the left side and they have the pin front right.
Speaker 1: If you went at the flag with impossible to hold
Speaker 1: the green, big false front, guys kept Most people weren't
Speaker 1: even hitting the green on this one. So you had
Speaker 1: after playing a few times, like okay, you gotta aim
Speaker 1: three or four yards left, hit into that hill and
Speaker 1: spin it back. And I actually you should have left
Speaker 1: off the fact that you played it three or four times.
Speaker 1: There's four or five times I played it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so no, this this came up also in fact, it
Speaker 1: was the eighth time or night time I played it,
Speaker 1: because it's my eightieth hole of the day of the hunter. Like,
Speaker 1: but if you're a member at at a club or
Speaker 1: if it's just your local community, you play a lot
Speaker 1: like you know the greens Like so, Ryan, you get
Speaker 1: to a part three at the Alpina Country Club or
Speaker 1: golf club or golf course and and the pins back left,
Speaker 1: you know how you have to play it. So I
Speaker 1: mean it's the same thing like like, yes, I have
Speaker 1: some institutional knowledge, but everyone has that and of course
Speaker 1: they know well, Allen, I'm here to give you ship.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter at the end of the day, if
Speaker 1: you counted as all on one as all on one.
Speaker 1: Michael and I have talked about the third hole behind
Speaker 1: my house way too much over the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: If I and I went out there and played that hole,
Speaker 1: only that hole a lot of times, and if I
Speaker 1: would have knocked one in, I want to call it
Speaker 1: a fucking hole in one. There's a hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: yard hall. I mean, you want to call your sixty
Speaker 1: yard lob ledge that you played nine times and you
Speaker 1: knew exact break and all that stuff all on one.
Speaker 1: Call it a wall and one when you put it
Speaker 1: like that. Jeez, here, here here's the proof of how
Speaker 1: much I agree with Ryan. I was playing with a
Speaker 1: great friend of mine, Fred Anton, years ago. Like Fred Anton,
Speaker 1: we started a number ten of the Build Up Your
Speaker 1: CECT Club Short Part three. I made a bogeye he
Speaker 1: made an X. Uh. He said, I'm not counting it.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm in bog I'm counting it. So
Speaker 1: we came through again and uh so now he's playing
Speaker 1: a nineteen pall and he made a one that counts
Speaker 1: in his Yeah, well, extenuating circumstances in this is that
Speaker 1: I told you I'll do in the hundred hole hike.
Speaker 1: I said, if I don't make an ace, I'll donate
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars to youth on course, So there was
Speaker 1: a lot at stake by time you get the thirty fifty, sixties,
Speaker 1: seventy holes and every single time you step on the
Speaker 1: tear trying to make one. And we and we sent
Speaker 1: some poor bastard cameraman John out there. I was like, okay, dude,
Speaker 1: he's like holding the camera the camera guy. That how
Speaker 1: they got that? Did they have every shot? Films every shot? Yeah,
Speaker 1: at some point they'll be like that boring faster. But John,
Speaker 1: actually John figurerolla shout out to him. He was great
Speaker 1: because the like the preceding eight or nine or ten
Speaker 1: holes before I actually dunked one was by far the best.
Speaker 1: I hit it all day, like I was peppering it
Speaker 1: at the flag, and I was like, well, I can't
Speaker 1: do I can't call it, Michael as our words Smith
Speaker 1: of the of the Threesome. Can we use the word
Speaker 1: dunked on a sixty one yard shot? We can't use
Speaker 1: fired when Frank lick letter shott two. Can we use
Speaker 1: dunked on a sixty one yard shot? Well? No, The
Speaker 1: only time you dunk one is if the thing I
Speaker 1: mean very rarely happens to me. It goes in on
Speaker 1: the flyer, on the flag. That's dunking it. Short of that,
Speaker 1: you hold it out. So John figure out the camera like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't even I spun it in. I read it perfectly.
Speaker 1: John's like it's gonna happen. I can feel it. It's coming,
Speaker 1: and I want to say, fuck you, John, it's not coming, Like,
Speaker 1: stop taunting me. He was dead serious, like he's a
Speaker 1: very positive person then, but his energy kind of sustained me.
Speaker 1: So I give him a lot of credit for sure. God, Michael,
Speaker 1: how many do you have? I have only one, just one,
Speaker 1: you know. Now I've got others. You know that don't
Speaker 1: count it's so good. Why do they count Michael just
Speaker 1: breaking my you weren't playing a proper round or you
Speaker 1: just holes of a proper round. Ryan, I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. I'm going your definition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean again, like, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: people who think mine is not a hole in one.
Speaker 1: I'm all good. I was hitting off a matt from
Speaker 1: a hundred fifteen doublet like but not quite. I mean,
Speaker 1: I counted, I count it. I mean, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: Allen counts it. That's it's the hole in one to
Speaker 1: me because it's counted. But I do look forward to
Speaker 1: justifying it. Yes, on a on a real golf regular holes.
Speaker 1: You know who's who's doing the work at lake More,
Speaker 1: said Gail Hunts. You know Alston mackenzie worked on that
Speaker 1: course in bits and pieces because you know he was
Speaker 1: he was doing Uh who was credited geez that. I'm
Speaker 1: not positive. I don't want to say the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: But they have some great old photos of the original bunkering.
Speaker 1: Then they brought it back and it looks really pure.
Speaker 1: You know what Tom Doak says of these renovation projects,
Speaker 1: most clubs prefer the way it was before we got there.
Speaker 1: Now I have to, in total fairness to Tom, I've gotta,
Speaker 1: I've gotta, I've gotta edit that. Not. We like Tom
Speaker 1: like any architect. You know, he's broadly speaking, and he's
Speaker 1: done some very good renovation work. But you know, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to do renovation work. I'm googling um. Lakemer said.
Speaker 1: It was originally developed well, yeah, reworked by Alston mackenzie
Speaker 1: later that decade. But then in the sixties Interstate to
Speaker 1: eighty came along and they lost some holes. Robert Muir
Speaker 1: Graves came in and did it. Um. So there's it's
Speaker 1: It's been in the mishmash of different people. So I
Speaker 1: think I think this is a more unified version of it. Right,
Speaker 1: I did not know Willy luck but but Jake did,
Speaker 1: or Jake looked it up. I was gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never heard I've never heard of Willie
Speaker 1: luck If. For those who don't know, the DOOTR, San
Speaker 1: Francisco Olympic Club, Lakemore said, San Francisco Golf Club and
Speaker 1: Cow Club are all basically adjoining it. There's a very
Speaker 1: few places on the plant that have such great golf
Speaker 1: in such close proxy. There's some corners along island obviously
Speaker 1: the Monterey Peninsula. Um, let's not for guess well, let's
Speaker 1: not forget the Kentish coast of England. Yeah, there's there's
Speaker 1: a handful World Sports Center and have you played that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's still open. The Part
Speaker 1: three course at Olympic and the dunes there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, they've they've gone back into it is open.
Speaker 1: I mean they've they've they've always wanted to make that
Speaker 1: even more spectacular given the setting, but the California Coastal
Speaker 1: Commission hasn't. They've kind of put the coboss on some
Speaker 1: some different ideas, but it is it is really neat.
Speaker 1: It's someone who's lived a lot of time in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: You could only join one of those San Francisco clubs,
Speaker 1: Which which one would you want to join? Well, Cow
Speaker 1: Club because it's by far the most fun and it's
Speaker 1: it's an amazing golf course. San Francisco is I probably
Speaker 1: like that golf course a little bit better, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's very old school and not kind of my vibe.
Speaker 1: Cow Club's fun, but I'd be happy with any of them.
Speaker 1: Did you guys know that Yannick Paul had a twin?
Speaker 1: Did you know Yannick Paul when he wanted Yannick Paul
Speaker 1: one today on the European Tour. Yeah? No, he made
Speaker 1: it awesome, you know. Second, Yeah, yeah, huge, But um no,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until until today. I saw on
Speaker 1: social media. He's really I mean, he's a very nice guy.
Speaker 1: Him and his brother are German and played in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Really nice guys played on the Outlaw Tour in two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty. I mean I posted a picture in Michael's back,
Speaker 1: back to Michael's point about golf, meaning something like this
Speaker 1: guy I posted today in two thousand twenty, lessons like
Speaker 1: just over two years ago, the guy was making checks
Speaker 1: for like three thirty eight dollars on the Outlaw Tour,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's not including the fact that he
Speaker 1: paid a nine injury fee to get into that tournament.
Speaker 1: So he's really negative six d plus travel costs. And
Speaker 1: so obviously that put is awesome. That's why I love golf.
Speaker 1: But here's the not so serious side of it. So
Speaker 1: he has an identical twin. And when I say identical,
Speaker 1: they are identical. Their golf coach who've talked too many times.
Speaker 1: Uh at Colorado. Uh, last name Edwards is like, I
Speaker 1: can't tell him a part. They were both on the
Speaker 1: corn Ferry Tour in a pro am. They switched the
Speaker 1: brothers on the t and no one in the group. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: so here's the here's the question. You're leading, Yannick I
Speaker 1: was leading after the third round, he goes to the
Speaker 1: bathroom and pulls his grind, or is walking to the
Speaker 1: thing and pulls his grind. His whole careers in the balance.
Speaker 1: His brother Jeremy is a very good player in his
Speaker 1: own right. Do you send your twin brother to play
Speaker 1: the final round? No one would know, No one would know.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously if we're gonna go by it's the
Speaker 1: code of golf and all. Yes, of course, of course not,
Speaker 1: but I would say go for. It's a once in
Speaker 1: a lifetime opportunity to be telling this story for the
Speaker 1: rest of their lives. I mean, Uh, Curtis Strange. How
Speaker 1: to have a brother, Alan Strange, who was absolutely identical
Speaker 1: back then, especially and at the v A U s Open.
Speaker 1: Uh Alan came up to watch the watch the last
Speaker 1: round and he got there early news there with his
Speaker 1: buddies and they're walking around drinking beers and people are like,
Speaker 1: I don't think curse has got much of a chance today.
Speaker 1: Has happened the bag already? Well, I mean, did you
Speaker 1: guys ever see the fake Clay Thompson. M Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he got all the way into the Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It is Golden State Warriors fan who looked very much
Speaker 1: like Clay Thompson facially, but you know, he's about fifty
Speaker 1: pounds heavier. But he would get mistaken for Clay and
Speaker 1: he'd sign autographs and then he went down onto the
Speaker 1: court and shot around and no one said anything. So
Speaker 1: but he finally got pinched in band. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a wild idea. You're the biggest moment
Speaker 1: of your life hanging in the balance, and you like
Speaker 1: break your ankle right, and you're like, I can't go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, I mean, he just changed his
Speaker 1: life today. It had it would have at least have
Speaker 1: to cross your mind. Your brother is a very good golfer,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, hey man, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: like here's what Kurt and I talked about yesterday, you know,
Speaker 1: like and like this is it, Go get him Tiger,
Speaker 1: And uh, would Ryan, what would you do with the
Speaker 1: caddy in that situation? Would you let him in on it?
Speaker 1: And then obviously he's gonna get right and uh instead
Speaker 1: of ten and uh, we're all just gonna I was
Speaker 1: gonna move on. It would be funnier. The caddy didn't know. Amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, if the golf coach can't tell their swings apart,
Speaker 1: then I doubt the caddy here nothing. The corn Ferry
Speaker 1: Tour did a thing and literally the guys played a
Speaker 1: hole with a different brother, like there was a blind
Speaker 1: t shirt and he's like, I'm going back to the tea,
Speaker 1: and the other brother got up on the team and
Speaker 1: play the entire hole with him, and no one knew.
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, I grew up playing basketball with
Speaker 1: these twins, admirals. I could never tell them apart to
Speaker 1: this day, I still can't. It's so trippy. Anyway, Yannick
Speaker 1: Paul great, I mean, Jeremy, it's not very nice too,
Speaker 1: but Yannicks a great guy, was super happy for the gay.
Speaker 1: Now does anybody don't look it up? Know who won
Speaker 1: the Senior Tour in Richmond today? Oh? I know that
Speaker 1: alt he was tied. Uh, this is a guest because
Speaker 1: I don't know Elker Steve out here. Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't even check my bad Steve. He did win,
Speaker 1: and I spoke to him for about an hour on
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and it was mostly a pep talk. It
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I know you've been struggling, but come on,
Speaker 1: Bob Ritella would take like four percent of the victory
Speaker 1: check just for that one hour, So I think, No,
Speaker 1: this guy has won more. He's won over three million
Speaker 1: dollars this year. That's awesome. It's actually now Ryan, were
Speaker 1: you were you aware of him and as a as
Speaker 1: a Monday Que guy? Yeah? I mean, Michael, he's in
Speaker 1: this position because of a Monday Que. So he into
Speaker 1: a senior event and when like sixth, third, second, five, whatever,
Speaker 1: it's impossible to gain status on the on the Champions too.
Speaker 1: You really gotta like play well, and he like we
Speaker 1: never look back. One Monday que changed his life. I
Speaker 1: mean it's been a wild right. Second of all, always
Speaker 1: talk about surreal moments. Michael Bamberger asking me for a
Speaker 1: phone number of a player was pretty awesome. All right,
Speaker 1: this guy has a ROLLADEX is loaded, loaded, with people
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, Ryan DF, Steve Alkers. I was like,
Speaker 1: I might give it to you, Michael, I'm not sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I suppose, like uh, Alan asked me for dalfinster Wald
Speaker 1: uh last year. While back He's like, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is likely, but do you have
Speaker 1: to doubt constroll by any chance? Like that's easy. I
Speaker 1: mean give me something with b J that would be challenging.
Speaker 1: I just think you know, you being Elker sports psychologist.
Speaker 1: My favorite quote ever about sports psychologists when I did
Speaker 1: a big feature in Kevin Na for Sports Illustrated back
Speaker 1: when he was really in the wild and so haunted um,
Speaker 1: and I said, why haven't you worked with sports psychologists?
Speaker 1: He's like, they're all captain obvious. They tell you something
Speaker 1: you already know when they charge you five hundred buck.
Speaker 1: Because he's like, I don't need them. That's well said
Speaker 1: who Kevin? Nah? Yeah? Yeah, Well I think Kevin up
Speaker 1: must be pretty strong, you know, because he doesn't have
Speaker 1: much and he sat up there a long time. He
Speaker 1: must and he really even Yeah how old was he
Speaker 1: when he was Probably that's a long long long time
Speaker 1: to stay out there. We didn't really hit him very
Speaker 1: far at all. Uh, it's impressive, you know. Um uh
Speaker 1: what just one quick note about about alcer soap. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm asking all search of different ways how did you
Speaker 1: do it? And he's given me really thoughtful answers on them.
Speaker 1: Write him down as fast as I him. And then
Speaker 1: and then an old friend of mine said, well, how
Speaker 1: do you do it? So I said all the things
Speaker 1: that Alker told me, you know, when he was when
Speaker 1: he was forty eight and a half, he came up
Speaker 1: with this program to get really good and focus on
Speaker 1: is and equipment and fitness and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I recited all to my to my friend who's
Speaker 1: eighty eight years old, and he said, they all say
Speaker 1: that he did it. It's like, wow, that is a
Speaker 1: tremendous insight. So I didn't use any of that in
Speaker 1: the history because I realized, yeah, they and this guy
Speaker 1: did it, and here's the answer. There is no answer.
Speaker 1: There was an answer. Other guys would black good. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: He's an awesome I mean the fact that he wants
Speaker 1: I mean, he really has changed his life, that dude.
Speaker 1: I mean the I don't know if he told you
Speaker 1: Michael but was over twenty two or over twenty three
Speaker 1: that in a row, had missed twenty three cuts in
Speaker 1: a row when he went on the court for a
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean, you know, and uh back to
Speaker 1: your point of you know, uh, short hitters and you
Speaker 1: know he's a tiny little guy, doesn't end very far.
Speaker 1: Obviously that doesn't matter as much on the senior tour,
Speaker 1: but just the fact that he get sustain his career
Speaker 1: to get to the point of getting to the Senior Tour.
Speaker 1: So uh, I mean, good on him that it is
Speaker 1: really he is exactly who the Champions Tour does not
Speaker 1: want winning this. Charles schwap Cup, I will tell you
Speaker 1: that I don't know. Well, I mean, I'm sure that's right,
Speaker 1: but it's it's also neat to see that again, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, golf is definitely the dream machine in this.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a great just like Tom Lehman was,
Speaker 1: you know when he was thirty gonna crack and just
Speaker 1: like Hogan was. And it's happened many many times through
Speaker 1: golf history. There got guys figure it out when you're
Speaker 1: at least expecting him. I will tell it quick. Tom
Speaker 1: Lehman story third hand he was playing by himself and
Speaker 1: a guy was playing by himself behind him and caught
Speaker 1: up to him and I was like, hey, do you
Speaker 1: mind if I play with you? And he said no,
Speaker 1: not at all, and striping it making Bertie's left and right,
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, what's your name? And he said,
Speaker 1: Tom Lehman, I'm thinking about quitting. You know, I'm a
Speaker 1: pro golfer, but I'm thinking about quitting. But my wife
Speaker 1: is pushing me to continue to play, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give it one more shot. And the next year I
Speaker 1: went onto the whatever it was Ben Hogan Tour dominated
Speaker 1: and oh that's it. You know that. The best Tom
Speaker 1: Layman story is that when he was really, really really struggling,
Speaker 1: had no money and was leaving a tournament on a Sunday,
Speaker 1: it was all grungy and started pouring rain. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, screw it. I don't think I can
Speaker 1: be able to afford a hotel, jumps out into the
Speaker 1: rain with a bar of soap and like takes a
Speaker 1: shower in the cold, freezing rain, rinses off and keeps going.
Speaker 1: Like when when you're showering in the rain like that,
Speaker 1: that's the Monday lifestyle. Didn't he sell his clubs to
Speaker 1: get home on time or something like that. Isn't there
Speaker 1: a legend? I don't know that, but I hope it's true.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, But Michael, I'm not sure I have a
Speaker 1: story all want my note. Isn't there a thing where
Speaker 1: he was? Was he the Minnesota golf coach at one point?
Speaker 1: And uh he said, yeah, you gotta run the shop
Speaker 1: and all right, he said, yeah, you gotta rent out
Speaker 1: the cross country ski some winters. Yeah, yeah, that's part
Speaker 1: of the legend. I've never fact checked it, but that's
Speaker 1: that's always been attached to him for sure. Well he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not doing the cross country skis. It's
Speaker 1: been another pleasantly discursive podcast. I think we should release
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Speaker 1: I love it when you use it. All right, well
Speaker 1: I'll scroll that away because hazard what what dessert? Well?
Speaker 1: What was more? We used earlier? Taciturn Yeah. So these
Speaker 1: fire Drill podcasts are happening every Sunday and going forward,
Speaker 1: hopefully Ryan will be more taciturn um. But um, until then,
Speaker 1: close this one out. I'm Alan Schepnik. That was Ryan
Speaker 1: French and Michael Bamberger. Thank you for listening. As always,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys out there, and uh we'll do
Speaker 1: it again soon. Thanks a bed big played to win,
Speaker 1: made a fortune within my ship game. I ran the
Speaker 1: table and thought I could fall. Then the win hit
Speaker 1: me like a cannon, the ball and now I can't
Speaker 1: shake this losing the streak. Every road I take is
Speaker 1: a dead end stream. I got thoughts in my head,
Speaker 1: can't get him out, trying not to think what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about. I got of thoughts in my head, can't
Speaker 1: get him out, and trying not to think what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about.