WEBVTT - Fire Drill 047: Rory Roars 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.080 Welcome back to the Fire Drill. My name is Ryan French. 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.040 I'm really lucky that we get to record these on Sundays, 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.879 get to listen to Michael Bamberger and Alan Shipnick talk golf. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.720 They have so many great stories. Hopefully I add a 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.720 little bit of levity to the whole situation. But I'm 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.680 super super lucky to record these. This week's was no 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:27.160 different at all. Uh. We talked Rory, we talked Yannick Paul, 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.200 We talked whether he should ever sub end his twin 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.680 brother to play for him if he ever got injured. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:38.040 We talk about a word I've never heard before. Those 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.959 parents are two really great people. I mean his mom, 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.440 but you're right, the dad is so tacitured and like 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.519 to tell you why whoa whoa wha. You can just 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.640 throw words like tacit turt what did you say? And 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.280 they bust my balls that I never heard of it. Uh. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.279 It's a wild trip. And this is what a fire 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.680 drill has become real quick. Before we get into the 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.840 meat and potatoes of the fire drill, I just want 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:12.320 to thank u. Dormy Workshop and power Points, both long 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.679 term sponsors of the fire Pit, both huge supporters of 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.080 what we're doing. Check out both of those companies. Awesome 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.640 uh and very very huge part of what we're doing 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:28.160 with that. Here's three of us talking this weekend golf. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:36.520 I got in my head. Can't get John nothing thing 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:44.280 what I'm thinking about, can't get them down, not think 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:54.800 what I'm thinking about. Hello, and welcome back to their 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.040 Fire Drill podcast. This is Alan Schipnik. It's a Sunday. 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.080 That means Michael Bamt and Ryan French are online here 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.000 to do this thing. So guys, thanks for being here. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.720 Michael was a silent start. He leaned in like he 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.600 was gonna say something. Hello, Allen, Hello Michael. All right, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.639 so let's just get into the news the day here. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.400 Rory McElroy world number one, where he belongs, right, Like 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.440 we've we've talked a lot about Rory this year. I mean, 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.160 he's been the keynote player, he's been the best player 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.760 in the world weekend and week out. We've talked about 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.080 him coming up short at the majors. Like I'd like 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.919 to go to like a little different direction here, Michael, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.920 because I feel like you wrote the first really big 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.600 feature in the American press about Rory, like going on 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.400 you know, fifteen years ago, you know the remember the 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.360 story I'm talking about was on the cover of the 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.440 Golf Plus a Master's Preview. And uh, and you've always 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.360 I know, you and Jerry have always had good mojo. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.480 And um, I mean tell a listener is a little 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.960 bit about Rory that they may not have gleaned from 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.959 just watching him play golf and listening to his press conferences. Yeah, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.080 but you know, I'm people who follow really closely would 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.480 know this, but but many would not. He's an only child, 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.560 just as Tiger Woods is, and just as a Justin 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.200 Thomas's just as uh, excuse me, Tigres really not. But 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.360 but with his mom and his dad. His mom had 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.120 only one child, and Justin Thomas and Michelle Wee and uh, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.520 he was the subject of intense focus from from from 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.639 his parents. But it was very different than Earle because 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.440 they raised him. I know this is ancient history, but 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.120 it really informs the whole man and why I think 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.680 so many of us are really drawn to him. Uh. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.480 They raised him with like it's important to when it's important. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.960 You know, of course, try your hardest and be the 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.120 best golf per camp, but don't lose sight of your 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.880 humanity and your soul and uh, and you see it. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.880 We've seen it his whole career. We watched his whole 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.960 career unfold. He was I believe nineteen when when your 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.080 first term probably might have been eighteen online when and 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.600 we saw him for the first time at at CARNUSI 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.720 when when Harrington one remember Gary Vinsickle telling me very excitedly, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.600 I'd never heard of him. He said, I saw this kid. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.680 But he's like landing, but he can put. And uh 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.320 there was his need and advanced Sickle for our listeners 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.919 who don't know, is a super knowledgeable uh golf colleague 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.000 of ours and a good friend and a great guy. Uh. 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.520 And but I guess I'm going so far back because 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.440 today in his victory, uh, you can just see how 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.160 much the game means to him, the process means to him. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.360 And and this is not a comment on Live at all. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.279 That nothing he's guaranteed or given to you in this game. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.680 And you know he he was a little shaky down 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.560 the stretch, but he but he you know, had to 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.960 use the tiger where he had the cushion and so 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.680 he he's gonna root for and um, you know for 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.279 him to be the number one player in the game. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.559 And him to represent the PGA Tour on the world 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.080 stage right now and to handle all his press obligations 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.960 and all his intra office or you know, with within 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.919 the PHA Tour headquarters obligations so well is a tremendous 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:05.000 credit to the game. It's funny when you think about 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.919 the last thirty years, I mean, the two biggest stars 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.960 by far, and even if you if you go back 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.840 forty years, you account Greg Norman, you know, because he 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.400 was the guy through in the ladies and eighties into 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.400 the nineties. I mean, Tiger and Phil have both had 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.840 so much controversy and scandal and they've been so polarizing 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.880 Norman as well. Um, but I think Rory macrel is 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.960 the rare athlete that everybody likes and roots were. I'm 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.640 talking not just in golf, in sports. And of course 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.040 there's some live loyalists who you know, maybe I take 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.520 exception to um some of the statements Roy has made. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.359 But I mean, I mean, Ryan, can you think of 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.240 any athlete in any sport that it has the universal 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.320 respect and admiration that Rory does. And I think he's 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.120 done it. Guys. What I have loved about Rory is 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.000 that I don't have to agree with him all the time, 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:03.560 that he's relatively outspoken live social issues, whatever, and still 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.000 seems to be well liked, and obviously a lot of 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:10.000 his views I would say, I mean, obviously politically goes 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.440 against what a lot of golf fans believe, but still 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.920 is pretty well respected. I I respect the hell out 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.080 of the fact that he just says obviously it's it's 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.760 toned down a bit, it's not Robert Darius style, but 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:28.600 it is like he says what he wants and even 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.080 if that's not the easy way out. And I think 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.600 a lot of people respect it. And yeah, I mean 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.960 I I don't know anyone who just like, man, I 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.400 really hate Rory Methelroy Like, I don't know why you would? You? Alan, 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.839 is a good interesting question. I think that the one, 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:49.599 the one maybe equivalent person would Uh. And you know, 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.640 Rory style is a little bit more excitable than Farah 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:57.960 is the ultimate, you know, smooth customer. Uh. But you 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.880 know there's another person who's you know, long long career 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.840 talked a lot. As Ryan was saying, was was open 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.400 with his opinions. Uh. And uh, you know it's neat 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.000 to see Rory following that that kind of example. It's 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.520 been a while since golf golf is had and even 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.520 the fact that Rory can't win the big one in 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.360 some ways makes him more appealing. I mean, it gives 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.600 us something that critique and you know, okay, his chipping 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.640 and pitching was wasn't good enough at the old course. 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.200 That's why he lost that one. And you can you 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.240 know some of his course managining decisions that Augusta and 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.360 you can go on down the list that and usually 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.880 we just like winners. We gravitate towards winners, and if 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.080 you can't win the big one, it's it's this mortal sin. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.520 Of course, he has won four, but it feels like 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.680 ancient history. But I think it makes Rory more appealing 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.000 because we've we've lived through the age of Tiger where 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.280 he was the ultimate winning machine. But he gave you 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:53.040 so little of himself, unlike Rory. Yeah, I think, I 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.120 mean again, it goes back to how honest he is. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.800 It's just like he talks through that, you know, the 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.240 stings and those hurt, and it's not like cliche after 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.280 cliche of like, oh we have another one in four 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.760 weeks and I got beat by It's like, hey, yeah, 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.600 it sucks and I should be winning more and I don't. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:12.040 So I think if it was you know, I mean Tiger, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:13.760 as you guys know way better than I do, is 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.240 the cliche king And just like there's a robot up 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.320 there for the most of his career, like Rory is 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:23.040 anything but that. And I think despite his success, in 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.960 his lack of success in majors of late, we still 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:27.680 like him because he stands up there and says how 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.200 it is. And and two quick notes on that. Rhyme wrote. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.600 Note number one is you're only gonna have probably one 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.000 you know, if you're wearing McRoy, maybe you can squeeze 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:43.320 and maybe one more and maybe maybe maybe two more chances. Uh. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.360 We're someone who's from Northern Ireland, you know, from from 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.199 uh is irish identifies himself as Irish. To win an 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.880 Open championship on the Old Course and then to have 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.240 it right there, Uh, and think that you're doing everything 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.360 right by playing conservative golf and taking a page Nicolas 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.360 and then not getting done because the guys, she's alredy 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.840 on you. That's hard to come back from. And uh, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.920 you know, everything is so compressed now, but it used 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.480 to be that you'd have a disappointment like that and 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.680 you know, you could crawl into bed for a couple 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.800 of years before you get over it. So for uh so, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.640 I think that's very significant. And then just one quick 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.319 straight up that I wanted to share before I forgot. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.680 It was years ago when he was only on the 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.520 tour for I would say maybe about really about two 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.520 years so, still really feeling his way up. A friend 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.960 of mine who was who was prominent in Gulf was 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.440 we wanted it to test the water to see if 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.720 if Rory might be interested in playing the Pebble Beach Tournament, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.400 you know, the a t and tape Pebble Beach pro 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.360 am with him, and Rory said, right there in spot, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.280 you know, it's not it's not on my calendar. It's 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.000 probably not something I was gonna do. And if I 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:47.800 were going to do it, I would want to play 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.360 with my dad or someone that you know, I have 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:54.120 a genuine closeness with, and that's not how most people think, 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.160 especially you know, he was only in his early twenties then, 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:01.240 so I admired him for that, right whereas Phil every 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.640 year playing the clam Bake he would play with the 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.040 CEO whatever endorsement partner, his contract was going to run 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.240 out on Like it was purely networking and it was 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.640 a business decision. And yeah, while his dad was out there. 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.199 His dad was out there with the periscope. Does that 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.720 when see my son? Yeah, that's such a great pool 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:23.920 because for those who never saw Philip Michelson and Phils 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.000 not a junior because he has a different middle name 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.959 from his dad, but feels old. Man sold this thing 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.200 called the sports Scope because he was frustrated he couldn't 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:32.960 see his son play. And it was it looked like 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:37.120 this homemade kind of cardboard. It was like you know, 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.680 up telescope and you could you could just watch over 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.160 people's shoulders and it was he was so cute. He 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.200 was out there selling these for years on the PJ 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.360 and then the events go ahead. Yeah, I mean this 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.120 is why I'm so lucky. People always ask me, like 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:56.280 what's this? Like I had no clue about that. Okay, zero, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.400 and like this is why it's such an honor to 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:02.880 sit here. But enough called Phil Mickelson Sr. We haven't 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.960 talked about Michael's shirt yet, Okay, okay, well quick note 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.840 about quick note about my shirt and it's the following. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:14.080 Phil Mickelson Senior is one of the gentlest, quietest, most 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.440 humble people you could never possibly want to meet. You 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.400 would never in a million years expect that that Phil 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:27.120 would be. Phil's parents are too really great people. I mean, 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.840 his mom an extrovert. But you're right. The dad is 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.360 so tacitured and like to tell you something about the 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:37.360 blood fans. Wh whoa, whoa, words like tacit turret. What 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:42.160 did you say, Brian, Come on, come, come on. You 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:47.360 know you're not fooling us. I don't know what I mean. 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:54.160 I assume it means quiet and yeah, but sneak at 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.320 the Michelson's to give you some insight into what the 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.800 parents are like. When the when the open was a 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.840 Eth page, I saw them on the train and they 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.480 were commuting getting out of Manhattan like with with with 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.640 all the with all the fans. You know, they were 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.080 in a town car. They were they were just like 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.720 on the train. And as you know, Alan, but Ryan 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.439 might not frugal, like you wouldn't believe that ton car 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.000 is a hundred dollars. There's no way I can just 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.000 imagine it. It's about what it was because I know that, 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.480 because those are the glory days of the I expect account. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.680 I just typed in tacit turt what I thought would 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:37.280 be tacit turt right. Isn't it turn the end? Oh 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:43.400 turn tested, turn right? I have that English set score. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.400 Oh no, you're you're in Michigan. You don't take the 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.640 s A t it would take? It didn't go great? 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:54.600 Uh test turn reserved or uncommunicative in speech, saying little 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.600 you want to hear a shocker shiptop scott as wicked 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.839 high math s a T score I've leave Is that true? 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.880 Is that true? Yeah? Yeah, but his shrug it's obvious. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:12.320 He's just like, yeah, I'll tell it. Nobody cares. Again, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.600 many people are just gonna listen to this podcast. They're 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.240 not actually gonna see Michael's shirt, which it appears to 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.400 have a giant Paisley's. But from a certain orientation they 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:22.960 kind of, I mean, sorry, Michael, they kind of like, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.760 you know, sperm and the Petrie dish when they're trying 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.640 to get free. Yeah, I mean I feel like underdressed. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.840 I know that. I was like, I'm in sweatpants, just 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.960 like a shower, throwing my golf ticket throwing golf teche 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.080 d Shirt. I come down and Michael is like pristine, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.880 and I mean the starts coming off of that thing. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.560 It's like he went to the drug Winners just like 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.600 full starch and they're like full and he's like, yeah, 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:53.719 full thing could stand up by itself, just like I'm 0:13:53.760 --> 0:14:03.640 not sure Michael's in that thing. I'm out. Yeah, he's good. Fine, Well, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.160 this is theoretically a golf podcast. Let's try and get 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:12.920 back to the golf here. Guy, okaycast, would you mind 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:18.920 have to introduced the subject please? Well, you know, our company, 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.160 the fire Pit Collective, is based in San Diego. I 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.440 live in Philadelphia and the represent the I am the 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.920 Philadelphia Bureau, and we've had a very good series, is 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.640 very well played. I went to the last night's game today. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.680 The Phillies are you know, uh clinch the national championship, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.200 the going to the World Series for the first time 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.880 in two thousand nine. And there are a lot of 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.360 parallels and a lot of differences between between between golf 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.480 and baseball. UM, but something sort of became like the 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.240 emotion that I felt just watching the Phillies played the 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.200 way into the World Series again. Um. First of shows 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.240 you no matter how far away you get from baseball, 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.280 it will, like they say in that movie, it will 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.040 pull you back in. You know, once you got the 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.040 once you got, once you got the carriaging. But what 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.000 I guess what I'm trying to say is, and this 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:05.840 is so obvious, and I know you've thought about Live 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.640 every which way, but I haven't really heard this conversation. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.560 Is golf even meant to be a global game? And 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.240 the reason I say that is because the fan base 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.320 for baseball is so porobial. And now Japan has its 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.440 own World Series. We don't know anything about it, but 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.400 the people in Japan care a great deal about it, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.480 and I just wonder it's like a starting point if 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.240 this Lived series actually even makes sense, because it is 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.640 what Norman has always wanted to be, in effect, a 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.360 global golf tour. And maybe sports aren't really set up 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.600 for that because aside from the Olympics, you know, Formula one, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.840 maybe what really is Allen? Yeah, I mean I think 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.960 golf has always been more global. I mean, obviously, the 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:54.280 Open Championship is the oldest tournament and it's it's forever 0:15:54.480 --> 0:16:00.400 drawn Australians and South Africans and South Americans and um, 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.360 you know, it's just been it's been played everywhere. And 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.000 unlike the sports you mentioned, the players, you know, how 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.960 many how many Australian opens a Jack Nicholas when I 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.200 think five or six? You know, Um, like these guys 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.520 have always traveled even when it wasn't so easy. So 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.520 Norman would probably say that what he's doing instead of 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.520 having a Japanese World Series, in an American World Series 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.240 and a Dominican World Series, we're gonna bring all under 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.200 under one roof. And now it might be you know, 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.240 maybe it's not a great idea as you're suggesting, but 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.800 I think I think there was a global appetite. But 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.000 like one of the greatest sporting I's ever went to 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.320 was the All Star game, UM in the Winter Leagues 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:43.120 Venezuelan Baseball. It was absolute madhouse. It was so much fun. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.000 I was there because Jonathan Vegas throughout the first pitch 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.840 and I was doing a big feature about his return 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.400 to Venezuela and all the complicated politics that surrounded that, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.080 and that's an incredible story. But um, you know, I 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.120 just remember sitting there because I grew up going to 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.520 Giants games at Candlestick Park, when it was frigid and 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.840 just thinking I wish, I wish the Giants games were 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.720 this much fun and people are playing the drums and 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.840 their dancing the aisles, and it was just the play 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.080 by play guy was out of control on on the 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:15.800 mic for the whole stadium. And so I think, you know, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.919 there's there's a chance to these sports can have their 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.399 own little bits of flair um regionally. But you know, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.600 baseball's baseball, Golf is golf. I mean it does cross borders. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.720 So I hear what you're saying. But I feel like 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.280 golf has always been a global sport and we've had 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.960 a World Golf Championships now since the nineties. Like I 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.920 don't know, I think the two bag yeah with Ryan, 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:42.040 no one cares examples that you're giving or sort I 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.160 think prove it the other way. I mean, a few 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.479 times a year, the whole golf wild comes together and 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.639 we really care. But if you start pulling, if you 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.280 start really drilling in with Tom Lehman had whether one 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:57.880 or Justin Leonard, uh, you know, Ben Curtis, Todd Hamilton's 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.760 you give them one championship, one may your championship one. 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.359 The Open British Open or the U s Open. Of 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.440 course they're all those guys are all going to pick 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.560 the US Open. And you know, for f Rory and 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:10.920 other people, if you can only give them one, they'd 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.679 win that with British Open a heartbeat. So I wouldn't 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.439 really agree with that. I think it's I think we 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:23.000 are just wired to be regional. Yeah, that's that's a 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.160 good one. I think that's some thought. I mean, for sure, 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.720 it makes no sense to go a place like Jetta, 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.720 Saudi Arabia, where there's no history, there's no fan base, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.119 and that was reflected by the total apathy of the 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:37.440 local fans. Um. But you know these if you take 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.960 it to places that have great golf tradition, I think 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.040 it um. You know, I think it's got potential, But 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.600 I don't know. It's it's an interesting argument. Michael and 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.080 I hadn't really give it too much thought. Okay, I 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:50.960 have a question before we get to my question that 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.199 we prepared for and we never prepared for anything. I 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.439 sent a picture to Michael and Alan. Uh. Instead we 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.080 were going to talk about this, but this is not it. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:05.879 As golf fans, Okay, today we're all like oh Rory 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.760 one Ron was in the mix. How great it was? Right? 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:10.920 Look at Allen is like, think this is gonna be 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:12.920 a smart ass comment. I can tell by your smirt, 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.040 and it's not. It's not going to be a smart 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.760 it's actually gonna be an actually question. Like, so it's 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.800 a no cut event, right, and we're all like, oh, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.160 this is great. Rory and Ram are in the thing 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.040 right now. Let's take the political side of Live out. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.560 Why is live not working? Because they had kind of 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.639 a good they had a great leaderboard last in the 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.720 Saudi Arabia and obviously there's time and whatever, and we're 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:41.520 all slamming it is like no cut of fan blah 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.120 blah blah and me included. I'm not saying just all 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.560 of us. That's what we had today. It's a no 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.159 cut of It's the World of Golf Classic basically in 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.399 the field. Like everybody's like, oh, the live field, the 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.399 bottom half. Go look at the bottom half of the 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.399 CJ Cup today. Trust me, there is some bad golf 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.480 being played. Okay. Two dudes shot twenty over okay, and 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:05.119 another dude shot seventeen over. There's plenty of bad playing. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.159 Why do we are we giving them a pass? And 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.800 I include myself in that, like we it was a 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.720 live event with a few more players and a few 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:18.400 more holes being played. Well and Ryan, just very good question, 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.240 but just starting to work. One second, I'm not for 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.560 a minute writing off Live or its future because uh, 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:25.560 I think I don't mean writing it. I think they've 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:30.240 shown very good application of intelligence and money today. I 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.280 actually think it's amazing the year that they've they've had 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.360 for that for that first year, my Michael, I don't 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.679 mean ust in general. I'm talking like, you know, golf 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.560 people in general, like, oh, it was you know, it 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.399 was Brooks and and DJ, Like whoa dude, it was 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.880 Brooks and DJ, right like, Like, I agree, they've made 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.680 way more. I think we all admit and anyone who 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.440 has a reasonable like take a minute, it's like they've 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.920 made in roads. Well to your point, Ryan, I mean, 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.040 there's so much shouting in the conversation about living the 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.880 tour and a lot of the nuance gets lost and 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.439 you know the fact is a lot of tour events 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.440 are really weak. They just are. And um, people that 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.280 want to acknowledge that. I mean, there's the players who 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.840 are in those in those events like in the Fall whatever, 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.800 there it's life changing for them and they're playing their 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.920 hearts out. But you know, there's that they don't have 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:24.760 the pedigree and so that that exists without a doubt. 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.000 But um yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone's pretending 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.720 to c J Cup is a big time event. But 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:31.560 when you get, you get wrong and you get Roy, 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.800 we get it's exciting. And the question is when you 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.240 when you get camp Smith against Brooks, why is that 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.880 not so exciting on live? I mean to me, part 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.040 of it is the lack of TV presentation. You know, 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:47.919 it just feels small time on YouTube. And you know 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.600 that that definitely, I think affects how we think about it, 0:21:50.640 --> 0:22:00.200 and um yeah, it's completely um yeah, there's some inconsistency. Hey, 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.439 I just gotta Jake, you can whatever, do whatever you 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.760 want with this. But I just got a text they 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.640 are playing a fucking pro am at the final stage 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:20.160 of Q School. What what? What has it ever happened before? Never? 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.959 I literally just got a text from an agent final 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:28.800 stage of Q School official pro am. How much does 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:30.520 across the plane the thing I'd like to get in it? 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:37.120 I mean, but we could fly home, Michael and plane 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:43.600 it leave this in this leave this in Jake. That's insane, right, 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:48.080 that's insane and I can't even process that. But like 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.680 the LPGA was having, they were having pro ams during 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.120 their majors for a long time. I mean, okay, major's 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:58.200 is bad, Q school, Q school way worse some majors. 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.560 Who's going to Who's going to sign up for that? 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.520 In other words, this is the tensest week of the 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:07.440 player's life, just gonna wat to play with the golfer 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:09.960 And no, that's a problem. The people who are going 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.400 to sign up will have no clue what that week means, 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.400 and they're just like, well, that guy was pretty much 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:21.040 a jerk. Book. Yeah, he seemed to be stressed out. 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:23.359 I thought this was a program where the guy is 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.800 supposed to shake my fucking hand, like this isn't the 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:31.199 centers and fucking farms that that the classic thing to 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.080 do would be for a group of guys to sign 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:40.040 up and then not play. Yeah then the guy, Yeah, 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:41.919 then you're just donating money to the PGA tour. I 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:49.800 don't know that. Marshall approximately ten teams starting at approximately 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:55.760 thirty one on a Wednesday, November six, Two teams comprised 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.960 of one professional and three amateurs at fucking Q School, 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:06.560 not not just three hameters three hackers. Like, anyone who 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.800 knows that they shouldn't sign up is not going to 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:10.919 sign up. The people are going to sign up is 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:14.120 the thirty five handicapper who's like, of course, I'd love 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.159 to play with the pro golfer for five thousand dollars. 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:18.360 That seems like great. And you have lawyers in your family. 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.600 Do you think that's a tax deduction? If you played 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:25.639 the pro am where the tour was the the nonprofit 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.840 PJ Tour is the beneficiary? Could you write it off? Yes? 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.199 I mean is the US when you play, if you 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.400 play in you know, the first to open, you're you're 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.680 making the checkout of the Monterey Peninsula Foundation and they're 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:42.760 the charitable arm. Now, I don't know, has is there 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.280 a designated charitable beneficiary for Q School? I mean that's 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.960 an insting question. Ryan doesn't say in the form checks 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:53.520 payable to j Monahan. I mean, it's just like it's 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.040 a letter from you know, just bullet points where to park, 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.080 blah blah blah, and then just thrown in the middle 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:06.040 it just says pro wam pro Am. I am I'm stunned. 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.800 I don't even know what to say. Well, I mean, 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:15.639 we jest, but the tour is draining their reserves. They've 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.000 they've gone, they put all their chips into the middle 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:22.080 of the table. They just built whatever hundred million dollar headquarters, 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.639 whatever that final cost was. Like you know, you've been 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:27.760 talking about the raising the prices at Q school. They're 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.800 doing this, doing that. I mean, it's possible that someone 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.480 is sounding the alarm in part of Beak saying guys 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.159 like we are at a serious revenue deficit and we 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.280 need to we need to make every five dollars we 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:44.320 can and any which way. So it's it seems totally bizarre. 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.080 But if you look in the context of the tours, 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:50.720 never shelled out this much money. Yeah, for a devalued product. 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.960 I mean, who knows, Wow, I would. I am going 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:59.560 to do an article and interview the fifty amateurs as 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:02.640 they come off of the of the course, Like, Wow, 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:06.480 that guy was a real jerk. He's pretty stressed out, 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:09.359 And I was like, I thought this was fun. Worse 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:18.080 tiger what anyway? That is one well, so one thing 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.280 I want to talk about just because you know, kind 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.760 of rounding up the week a little bit and we 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.840 are guilty of not giving enough airtime to our great 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.280 friends on the LPGA. But Lydia Co won over in 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:34.919 um in Korea. She's she's leading the points race and 0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:39.080 the scoring title and she's having another banner year. Really, 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:41.199 you have to go back to like two thousand sixteen 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.119 when she was playing at this level, and Lydia Co 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.560 is on my favorite people in golf. And when I 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.920 think about her as a teenager, that was the purest, 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.719 most natural golf I've ever witnessed my own eyes, Like 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:58.520 she just made it look so easy, totally unencombered by 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.280 swing thoughts, just had incredible feel for the game and 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.359 a Jordan's speed, likability to get the ball in the 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:09.480 hole from unusual places, and um so I'm delighted that 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:13.480 she's back, you know, to being a superstar once again. 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.080 And i just want to give her a shout out. 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:19.440 And I'm not trying how old without looking how old 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:27.000 is Lydiac Michael's frozen in time? No, I'm I don't 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.879 want to make a bad guess. I'm not all right, Alan, 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.080 Alan gave me what I thought Alan might know. But 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.400 since he's in, but go, I mean, go fire away. 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:41.399 Oh God, it's gonna be embarrassing. That's a great guess. 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.960 She's I mean, does not feel like she's been part 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.320 of our lives for like ever. I mean I would 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.919 be like, I mean, it just shows how young the 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.000 women's game is is Like, I mean, she has been forever. 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.440 But I'm saying like you would think that I would 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.600 you know if I didn't know, because I know, but 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:02.200 like and they get ten years ago as an anima, 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:07.679 Oh yeah, absolutely, she's she's when you see her in person, Uh, 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.000 you can't believe how slender she is. And to hit 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.200 it as far as she does, I mean, it really 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:18.359 shows you what mechanics will do. Yeah, the efficiency this is, 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.399 this is what I can't pinpoint the year. It's probably 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:26.600 six or seven years ago. Um I I spent a 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.600 David Lydia in San Francisco because her this sort of 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.920 a joint venture between her people at i MG and LPGA. 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:36.679 They wanted to film this fun videos. The idea was 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:41.240 she would play a made up golf course through San Francisco, 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.000 all these you know, iconic spots. She hit a put 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:48.480 down Lombard Street and we hit a hit a t 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.120 shot off of Alcatraz. It was a great idea, but 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:53.120 it turned out to be an incredibly long day because 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.120 it's not easy to get around San Francisco and the 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.320 park and get the film crew, and I mean it 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.880 was like we basically went from dawn to dusk for 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.840 what turned out to be a very short little social 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:07.160 media video. But she was. She was so delightful and 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.280 we're driving around. You know, there's there's there's a great 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.840 mural and it's Scott Uh, you know, Jimi Hendrix and 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:18.600 Jazz Joplin and the Great and Jerry Garcia and um, 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.680 you know, I'm trying to think Els is on. There 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:26.040 a bunch of you know, perhaps yeah, I'm not sure 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.320 if Tony Benn was on. It was but like all 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.440 these musicians who have passed through San Francisco and played 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.760 an important part, and so we we we quizzed her 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.240 and she didn't know a single one of them, which 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.880 is not you know, she was whatever sixteen but it 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:42.480 was so funny and um just the this. She might 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.200 have been eighteen, but I mean she was still I 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.280 think she was late. Yeah, she was a teenager. Was 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.680 that the swinging was that the swinging skirts event that 0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:50.960 used to have Yeah, I think I think it was 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.200 pegged to that that was a great event at um 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:56.280 that lake More said, which funny enough, I just I 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.960 may have wangled and invite they just Gil Hants just 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.080 redid it and it reopen and yesterday and um, I 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.040 saw some people playing on social media, so I hit 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.760 him up. And it's closed to guests and throughout the 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:08.120 end of this year. But I'm like, you gotta make 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.000 exception for reporters were trying to, like, you know, build 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:15.240 some buzz for you. You know, like, uh yeah, maybe 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.680 they're afraid that you won't like it, and they know 0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.200 that you're a truth when it comes through. I like, 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.320 I like the old lake and I said, in fact, 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.960 it's it's the scene until and we you know, we 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.320 can touch on this or not. But since our last podcast, 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.200 I didn't make my first hole in one and but 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.640 there is twitter debate. I know we'll get into that. 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.880 But the most devastating near miss of my entire life 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:40.600 was I played in the pro am at the Swinging 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.840 Skirts with Christina Kim and I think it's a third hole. 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.520 It's steeply downhill. Part three pin was way on the 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:49.840 right and Christina is like, the only hit this close 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:51.960 you have to land it on the fringe right of 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.440 the of the whole and it'll it'll go dead sideways 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:56.600 towards the flag. And one of the rare times in 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.200 my life, I did exactly I was trying to do 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.000 and it was tracked in the whole way, and the 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.360 people were in the green were getting excited and we 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.480 were dead silent, and it lipped out like didn't after 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.719 you can see a horse shoe. I still have a 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.480 glass I want for closest to the pin. But and 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.320 I fell to my knees in anguish because it looked 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.080 so good and it was like a slow trickle. It 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.600 was agonizing. We had so much time to watch it 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.480 play out. So I'm gonna ask the question, where, Ryan, 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.800 does did you make the butt? I made? But yeah, 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.200 I made, I mean expired like four inches. It was. 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:32.320 It was so painful because to have I mean, there's 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.400 probably fifty people out there and Christina, you know I'm 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.640 great friends with and like that would have been an 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:41.080 epic first one. But yeah, so let's get into the debate. 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.719 So I was playing the hunted hole hike. We were 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.760 at the Peter Hay golf Course in Pebble Beat and 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.960 so yes, it's the holes are short. The one I 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:51.680 the one that happened to knocking it was I think 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:55.960 sixty one yards. So um. I fully understand those who 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.960 think it should have an ASTERIXK. But after a lifetime 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.920 of near misss is and bad luck, I'm like, screw it, man, 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:05.360 I'm counting it. I'm I've already ordered the plaque. You 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:09.400 can't take it away from you. Here here is my think. 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:12.560 This is my take coming from a person who had 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:16.080 a hole in one on a part three course. Now 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.880 it was two times as long as your hole in one. 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:24.000 But here is I always always say this is if 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.480 the person who made the hole in one thinks it's 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.320 a hole in one, it's a fucking hole in one. 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.880 Like it doesn't matter, like I think I made a 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.560 hole in one, Like I don't. I could care less 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.160 what J. J. Kleen thinks. That JJ is a great 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:41.200 dude and a fun guy and hilarious, but he doesn't 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:42.520 have to think that I made a hole in one. 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.080 I was there, I made one. I didn't. I think 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.640 that's a great definition. I totally agree with that. And 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.520 I was, as you were saying, I think, just to 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.360 binder a little bit but your definition is perfect. If 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.160 you've got a story to tell about the one that 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:56.920 you made, it is a hole in one. Otherwise you 0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:00.160 wouldn't have a story to tell. JJ had one of 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.160 the most biting Twitter comments of all. He said, of 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:08.400 my eight nice chip in that's not true. It was 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:13.800 a sawed off lob wedge or sand wedge. Higher, a 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.600 little higher, and that toe is turning over. That's not 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:20.040 a fair comment. Yeah, no, I know what it's but 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.400 but also I mean he should be told, Alan, and 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:25.080 you know this to be true. And I got this 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.320 straight from Tom Weiscope, who knows it's a chip if 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.600 it spends more time on the ground than in the air. 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:35.280 And that certainly did not. So I rejected, rejected, compank you, Michael. 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.200 And we all know that there's some some there's plenty 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.400 of weird hole in ones where it gets a funky bounce. 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.120 This if you this is the hardest green by far 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.480 at Peter, Hey, it's extremely shallow. I appreciate this cell. 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.480 Appreciate this cell job so much. You really do it? 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.520 What did tigers C do about it? Yeah? I know. 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:58.000 I almost considered texting Mark Steinberg and being like, hey, 0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.840 I made an ace on Tigers of course, can can 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.320 I have like, can I get him on the phone 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.160 to talk about the making of when why Why did 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.759 Why did you not just sex tired directly? Yeah, like 0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:15.120 Philly changes his number a lot. But yeah, but no, 0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:17.960 so let's get back to the let's stay focused here, 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:21.000 let's labor focus. This might be the rest of the 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:26.399 podcast of three parts if we're just gonna So it's 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.560 like extremely shallow green and it has this big swell 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.279 on the left side and they have the pin front right. 0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.319 If you went at the flag with impossible to hold 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.239 the green, big false front, guys kept Most people weren't 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:38.839 even hitting the green on this one. So you had 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.120 after playing a few times, like okay, you gotta aim 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.600 three or four yards left, hit into that hill and 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.040 spin it back. And I actually you should have left 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:54.239 off the fact that you played it three or four times. 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.279 There's four or five times I played it. But yeah, 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.120 so no, this this came up also in fact, it 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:00.560 was the eighth time or night time I played it, 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.960 because it's my eightieth hole of the day of the hunter. Like, 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.080 but if you're a member at at a club or 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:07.920 if it's just your local community, you play a lot 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.920 like you know the greens Like so, Ryan, you get 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.520 to a part three at the Alpina Country Club or 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.279 golf club or golf course and and the pins back left, 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.160 you know how you have to play it. So I 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.239 mean it's the same thing like like, yes, I have 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.640 some institutional knowledge, but everyone has that and of course 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:29.680 they know well, Allen, I'm here to give you ship. 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.680 It doesn't matter at the end of the day, if 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.640 you counted as all on one as all on one. 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.000 Michael and I have talked about the third hole behind 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.240 my house way too much over the last two weeks. 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.160 If I and I went out there and played that hole, 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:42.520 only that hole a lot of times, and if I 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.080 would have knocked one in, I want to call it 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:45.960 a fucking hole in one. There's a hundred and seventy 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.560 yard hall. I mean, you want to call your sixty 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.000 yard lob ledge that you played nine times and you 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.120 knew exact break and all that stuff all on one. 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.080 Call it a wall and one when you put it 0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:01.680 like that. Jeez, here, here here's the proof of how 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.560 much I agree with Ryan. I was playing with a 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.280 great friend of mine, Fred Anton, years ago. Like Fred Anton, 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:08.200 we started a number ten of the Build Up Your 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.279 CECT Club Short Part three. I made a bogeye he 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.719 made an X. Uh. He said, I'm not counting it. 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:16.759 I said, well, I'm in bog I'm counting it. So 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.839 we came through again and uh so now he's playing 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:22.480 a nineteen pall and he made a one that counts 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:31.440 in his Yeah, well, extenuating circumstances in this is that 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:33.520 I told you I'll do in the hundred hole hike. 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.320 I said, if I don't make an ace, I'll donate 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.320 a thousand dollars to youth on course, So there was 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:41.280 a lot at stake by time you get the thirty fifty, sixties, 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.920 seventy holes and every single time you step on the 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.560 tear trying to make one. And we and we sent 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:50.280 some poor bastard cameraman John out there. I was like, okay, dude, 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.799 he's like holding the camera the camera guy. That how 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:57.000 they got that? Did they have every shot? Films every shot? Yeah, 0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:01.959 at some point they'll be like that boring faster. But John, 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.640 actually John figurerolla shout out to him. He was great 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:08.520 because the like the preceding eight or nine or ten 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.080 holes before I actually dunked one was by far the best. 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:12.880 I hit it all day, like I was peppering it 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:14.799 at the flag, and I was like, well, I can't 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.960 do I can't call it, Michael as our words Smith 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.600 of the of the Threesome. Can we use the word 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:25.040 dunked on a sixty one yard shot? We can't use 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.799 fired when Frank lick letter shott two. Can we use 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.480 dunked on a sixty one yard shot? Well? No, The 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.480 only time you dunk one is if the thing I 0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.239 mean very rarely happens to me. It goes in on 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.080 the flyer, on the flag. That's dunking it. Short of that, 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:45.000 you hold it out. So John figure out the camera like, yeah, 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.920 I didn't even I spun it in. I read it perfectly. 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.480 John's like it's gonna happen. I can feel it. It's coming, 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.879 and I want to say, fuck you, John, it's not coming, Like, 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.120 stop taunting me. He was dead serious, like he's a 0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:59.759 very positive person then, but his energy kind of sustained me. 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:04.400 So I give him a lot of credit for sure. God, Michael, 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:08.120 how many do you have? I have only one, just one, 0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.799 you know. Now I've got others. You know that don't 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:20.840 count it's so good. Why do they count Michael just 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.920 breaking my you weren't playing a proper round or you 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:32.560 just holes of a proper round. Ryan, I'm I'm going 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.160 for the rest of my life. I'm going your definition. Yeah, 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.360 I love it. I mean again, like, there's plenty of 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:39.000 people who think mine is not a hole in one. 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:40.719 I'm all good. I was hitting off a matt from 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:45.600 a hundred fifteen doublet like but not quite. I mean, 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.879 I counted, I count it. I mean, it doesn't matter 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.319 Allen counts it. That's it's the hole in one to 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.200 me because it's counted. But I do look forward to 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:58.920 justifying it. Yes, on a on a real golf regular holes. 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:02.160 You know who's who's doing the work at lake More, 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:07.040 said Gail Hunts. You know Alston mackenzie worked on that 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.279 course in bits and pieces because you know he was 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:15.160 he was doing Uh who was credited geez that. I'm 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.120 not positive. I don't want to say the wrong thing. 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.840 But they have some great old photos of the original bunkering. 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.440 Then they brought it back and it looks really pure. 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.160 You know what Tom Doak says of these renovation projects, 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.399 most clubs prefer the way it was before we got there. 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.239 Now I have to, in total fairness to Tom, I've gotta, 0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.240 I've gotta, I've gotta edit that. Not. We like Tom 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.600 like any architect. You know, he's broadly speaking, and he's 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:44.759 done some very good renovation work. But you know, it's hard. 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:49.799 It's hard to do renovation work. I'm googling um. Lakemer said. 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:56.800 It was originally developed well, yeah, reworked by Alston mackenzie 0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:01.279 later that decade. But then in the sixties Interstate to 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.480 eighty came along and they lost some holes. Robert Muir 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.839 Graves came in and did it. Um. So there's it's 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.000 It's been in the mishmash of different people. So I 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:14.960 think I think this is a more unified version of it. Right, 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.719 I did not know Willy luck but but Jake did, 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.160 or Jake looked it up. I was gonna say, like, 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.480 I've never I've never heard I've never heard of Willie 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:27.040 luck If. For those who don't know, the DOOTR, San 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:32.160 Francisco Olympic Club, Lakemore said, San Francisco Golf Club and 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:36.359 Cow Club are all basically adjoining it. There's a very 0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.720 few places on the plant that have such great golf 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.840 in such close proxy. There's some corners along island obviously 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:45.520 the Monterey Peninsula. Um, let's not for guess well, let's 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:49.160 not forget the Kentish coast of England. Yeah, there's there's 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.279 a handful World Sports Center and have you played that. 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.239 I don't even know if it's still open. The Part 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:57.239 three course at Olympic and the dunes there. Oh yeah, 0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:00.560 it's great. Yeah, they've they've gone back into it is open. 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.680 I mean they've they've they've always wanted to make that 0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:07.359 even more spectacular given the setting, but the California Coastal 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.920 Commission hasn't. They've kind of put the coboss on some 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.640 some different ideas, but it is it is really neat. 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.600 It's someone who's lived a lot of time in San Francisco. 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.240 You could only join one of those San Francisco clubs, 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.960 Which which one would you want to join? Well, Cow 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.239 Club because it's by far the most fun and it's 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.760 it's an amazing golf course. San Francisco is I probably 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:30.600 like that golf course a little bit better, but you know, 0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:34.720 it's very old school and not kind of my vibe. 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.719 Cow Club's fun, but I'd be happy with any of them. 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:40.520 Did you guys know that Yannick Paul had a twin? 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:43.759 Did you know Yannick Paul when he wanted Yannick Paul 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.359 one today on the European Tour. Yeah? No, he made 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:51.719 it awesome, you know. Second, Yeah, yeah, huge, But um no, 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.239 I didn't know that until until today. I saw on 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.799 social media. He's really I mean, he's a very nice guy. 0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.719 Him and his brother are German and played in Colorado. 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.759 Really nice guys played on the Outlaw Tour in two 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:07.239 thousand twenty. I mean I posted a picture in Michael's back, 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.960 back to Michael's point about golf, meaning something like this 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.080 guy I posted today in two thousand twenty, lessons like 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:17.200 just over two years ago, the guy was making checks 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.879 for like three thirty eight dollars on the Outlaw Tour, 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.319 you know. And that's not including the fact that he 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.880 paid a nine injury fee to get into that tournament. 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:28.480 So he's really negative six d plus travel costs. And 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.360 so obviously that put is awesome. That's why I love golf. 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.160 But here's the not so serious side of it. So 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.000 he has an identical twin. And when I say identical, 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:40.440 they are identical. Their golf coach who've talked too many times. 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.239 Uh at Colorado. Uh, last name Edwards is like, I 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.319 can't tell him a part. They were both on the 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.840 corn Ferry Tour in a pro am. They switched the 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:55.240 brothers on the t and no one in the group. Now, okay, 0:42:55.680 --> 0:43:00.040 so here's the here's the question. You're leading, Yannick I 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.800 was leading after the third round, he goes to the 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:07.400 bathroom and pulls his grind, or is walking to the 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.440 thing and pulls his grind. His whole careers in the balance. 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.680 His brother Jeremy is a very good player in his 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.600 own right. Do you send your twin brother to play 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:20.360 the final round? No one would know, No one would know. 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.839 I mean, obviously if we're gonna go by it's the 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.319 code of golf and all. Yes, of course, of course not, 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.480 but I would say go for. It's a once in 0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.200 a lifetime opportunity to be telling this story for the 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:38.560 rest of their lives. I mean, Uh, Curtis Strange. How 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.680 to have a brother, Alan Strange, who was absolutely identical 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.000 back then, especially and at the v A U s Open. 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.839 Uh Alan came up to watch the watch the last 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:51.920 round and he got there early news there with his 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.839 buddies and they're walking around drinking beers and people are like, 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:57.200 I don't think curse has got much of a chance today. 0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:02.800 Has happened the bag already? Well, I mean, did you 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:07.120 guys ever see the fake Clay Thompson. M Oh yeah, yeah, 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.839 he got all the way into the Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.680 It is Golden State Warriors fan who looked very much 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:16.040 like Clay Thompson facially, but you know, he's about fifty 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:19.640 pounds heavier. But he would get mistaken for Clay and 0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.560 he'd sign autographs and then he went down onto the 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.719 court and shot around and no one said anything. So 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.840 but he finally got pinched in band. But yeah, it's 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:33.720 I mean, that's a wild idea. You're the biggest moment 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.279 of your life hanging in the balance, and you like 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:39.520 break your ankle right, and you're like, I can't go. 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.680 I'm gonna you know, I mean, he just changed his 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:44.400 life today. It had it would have at least have 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:47.280 to cross your mind. Your brother is a very good golfer, 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:49.920 and you're just like, hey man, you're gonna have to 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.440 like here's what Kurt and I talked about yesterday, you know, 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.880 like and like this is it, Go get him Tiger, 0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.160 And uh, would Ryan, what would you do with the 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.600 caddy in that situation? Would you let him in on it? 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:09.800 And then obviously he's gonna get right and uh instead 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:13.239 of ten and uh, we're all just gonna I was 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:18.120 gonna move on. It would be funnier. The caddy didn't know. Amazing. 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.840 I mean, if the golf coach can't tell their swings apart, 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:25.440 then I doubt the caddy here nothing. The corn Ferry 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.279 Tour did a thing and literally the guys played a 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:33.080 hole with a different brother, like there was a blind 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:34.920 t shirt and he's like, I'm going back to the tea, 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:36.799 and the other brother got up on the team and 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.839 play the entire hole with him, and no one knew. 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:42.000 I know. I mean, I grew up playing basketball with 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.440 these twins, admirals. I could never tell them apart to 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:48.480 this day, I still can't. It's so trippy. Anyway, Yannick 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:50.480 Paul great, I mean, Jeremy, it's not very nice too, 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.920 but Yannicks a great guy, was super happy for the gay. 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.680 Now does anybody don't look it up? Know who won 0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:59.399 the Senior Tour in Richmond today? Oh? I know that 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:05.000 alt he was tied. Uh, this is a guest because 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.799 I don't know Elker Steve out here. Yeah I didn't. 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:14.120 I don't even check my bad Steve. He did win, 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.440 and I spoke to him for about an hour on 0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.840 on Tuesday, and it was mostly a pep talk. It 0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:26.480 was like, yeah, I know you've been struggling, but come on, 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.160 Bob Ritella would take like four percent of the victory 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.080 check just for that one hour, So I think, No, 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.520 this guy has won more. He's won over three million 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:40.520 dollars this year. That's awesome. It's actually now Ryan, were 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.239 you were you aware of him and as a as 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:45.440 a Monday Que guy? Yeah? I mean, Michael, he's in 0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:49.399 this position because of a Monday Que. So he into 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:54.560 a senior event and when like sixth, third, second, five, whatever, 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.200 it's impossible to gain status on the on the Champions too. 0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.520 You really gotta like play well, and he like we 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:02.960 never look back. One Monday que changed his life. I 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.400 mean it's been a wild right. Second of all, always 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:10.440 talk about surreal moments. Michael Bamberger asking me for a 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:14.960 phone number of a player was pretty awesome. All right, 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:19.560 this guy has a ROLLADEX is loaded, loaded, with people 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:21.840 and he's like, hey, Ryan DF, Steve Alkers. I was like, 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.479 I might give it to you, Michael, I'm not sure. Yeah, 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:29.840 I suppose, like uh, Alan asked me for dalfinster Wald 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.719 uh last year. While back He's like, and he's like, 0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:36.120 I don't think this is likely, but do you have 0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:39.640 to doubt constroll by any chance? Like that's easy. I 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:44.759 mean give me something with b J that would be challenging. 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:50.879 I just think you know, you being Elker sports psychologist. 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:53.719 My favorite quote ever about sports psychologists when I did 0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:56.160 a big feature in Kevin Na for Sports Illustrated back 0:47:56.160 --> 0:48:02.240 when he was really in the wild and so haunted um, 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:04.840 and I said, why haven't you worked with sports psychologists? 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.560 He's like, they're all captain obvious. They tell you something 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:09.000 you already know when they charge you five hundred buck. 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:14.080 Because he's like, I don't need them. That's well said 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:18.239 who Kevin? Nah? Yeah? Yeah, Well I think Kevin up 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.719 must be pretty strong, you know, because he doesn't have 0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:23.080 much and he sat up there a long time. He 0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:27.480 must and he really even Yeah how old was he 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:32.560 when he was Probably that's a long long long time 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.080 to stay out there. We didn't really hit him very 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:39.640 far at all. Uh, it's impressive, you know. Um uh 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.600 what just one quick note about about alcer soap. You know, 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.440 I'm asking all search of different ways how did you 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:48.000 do it? And he's given me really thoughtful answers on them. 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.239 Write him down as fast as I him. And then 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:51.880 and then an old friend of mine said, well, how 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:53.440 do you do it? So I said all the things 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:55.560 that Alker told me, you know, when he was when 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.319 he was forty eight and a half, he came up 0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.840 with this program to get really good and focus on 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.440 is and equipment and fitness and blah blah blah blah blah. 0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:06.000 And I recited all to my to my friend who's 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:08.959 eighty eight years old, and he said, they all say 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:12.120 that he did it. It's like, wow, that is a 0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.440 tremendous insight. So I didn't use any of that in 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.120 the history because I realized, yeah, they and this guy 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.000 did it, and here's the answer. There is no answer. 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:24.360 There was an answer. Other guys would black good. Yeah, exactly. 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:27.040 He's an awesome I mean the fact that he wants 0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:28.959 I mean, he really has changed his life, that dude. 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.480 I mean the I don't know if he told you 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:34.279 Michael but was over twenty two or over twenty three 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:36.560 that in a row, had missed twenty three cuts in 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:37.600 a row when he went on the court for a 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:43.640 and uh, I mean, you know, and uh back to 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.800 your point of you know, uh, short hitters and you 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.319 know he's a tiny little guy, doesn't end very far. 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.080 Obviously that doesn't matter as much on the senior tour, 0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.320 but just the fact that he get sustain his career 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.319 to get to the point of getting to the Senior Tour. 0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.319 So uh, I mean, good on him that it is 0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:03.440 really he is exactly who the Champions Tour does not 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.239 want winning this. Charles schwap Cup, I will tell you 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:09.000 that I don't know. Well, I mean, I'm sure that's right, 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.360 but it's it's also neat to see that again, you know, 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.160 I mean, golf is definitely the dream machine in this. 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.680 You know, this is a great just like Tom Lehman was, 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:18.640 you know when he was thirty gonna crack and just 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.120 like Hogan was. And it's happened many many times through 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:24.719 golf history. There got guys figure it out when you're 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:27.160 at least expecting him. I will tell it quick. Tom 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.600 Lehman story third hand he was playing by himself and 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:32.640 a guy was playing by himself behind him and caught 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:34.239 up to him and I was like, hey, do you 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:36.680 mind if I play with you? And he said no, 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:40.799 not at all, and striping it making Bertie's left and right, 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.279 and he said, oh, what's your name? And he said, 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.759 Tom Lehman, I'm thinking about quitting. You know, I'm a 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.200 pro golfer, but I'm thinking about quitting. But my wife 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:51.879 is pushing me to continue to play, and I'm gonna 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:55.000 give it one more shot. And the next year I 0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.880 went onto the whatever it was Ben Hogan Tour dominated 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:01.560 and oh that's it. You know that. The best Tom 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:04.759 Layman story is that when he was really, really really struggling, 0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:09.120 had no money and was leaving a tournament on a Sunday, 0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.680 it was all grungy and started pouring rain. He's like, 0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:13.200 you know what, screw it. I don't think I can 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.480 be able to afford a hotel, jumps out into the 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:17.680 rain with a bar of soap and like takes a 0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:23.000 shower in the cold, freezing rain, rinses off and keeps going. 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:25.600 Like when when you're showering in the rain like that, 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:29.120 that's the Monday lifestyle. Didn't he sell his clubs to 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.239 get home on time or something like that. Isn't there 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:33.800 a legend? I don't know that, but I hope it's true. 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:39.640 That's awesome, But Michael, I'm not sure I have a 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:41.560 story all want my note. Isn't there a thing where 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:43.960 he was? Was he the Minnesota golf coach at one point? 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:46.399 And uh he said, yeah, you gotta run the shop 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:49.880 and all right, he said, yeah, you gotta rent out 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:54.279 the cross country ski some winters. Yeah, yeah, that's part 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:56.319 of the legend. I've never fact checked it, but that's 0:51:56.440 --> 0:52:00.360 that's always been attached to him for sure. Well he's like, 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:04.160 all right, I'm not doing the cross country skis. It's 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.760 been another pleasantly discursive podcast. I think we should release 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.080 the listeners. But let me give a quick shout out 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:13.279 to our our corporate sponsors who help us um keep 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.239 your lights on here at the fire Pick Collective. 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That was Ryan 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.120 French and Michael Bamberger. Thank you for listening. As always, 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.600 we appreciate you guys out there, and uh we'll do 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:45.279 it again soon. Thanks a bed big played to win, 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:50.920 made a fortune within my ship game. I ran the 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:55.040 table and thought I could fall. Then the win hit 0:53:55.160 --> 0:54:00.600 me like a cannon, the ball and now I can't 0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:05.120 shake this losing the streak. Every road I take is 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:10.440 a dead end stream. I got thoughts in my head, 0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:14.879 can't get him out, trying not to think what I'm 0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:18.959 thinking about. I got of thoughts in my head, can't 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:22.480 get him out, and trying not to think what I'm 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:23.480 thinking about.