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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fire Drill. My name is Ryan French.

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Speaker 1: I'm really lucky that we get to record these on Sundays,

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Speaker 1: get to listen to Michael Bamberger and Alan Shipnick talk golf.

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Speaker 1: They have so many great stories. Hopefully I add a

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Speaker 1: little bit of levity to the whole situation. But I'm

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Speaker 1: super super lucky to record these. This week's was no

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Speaker 1: different at all. Uh. We talked Rory, we talked Yannick Paul,

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Speaker 1: We talked whether he should ever sub end his twin

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Speaker 1: We talk about a word I've never heard before. Those

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Speaker 1: parents are two really great people. I mean his mom,

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Speaker 1: but you're right, the dad is so tacitured and like

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Speaker 1: to tell you why whoa whoa wha. You can just

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Speaker 1: throw words like tacit turt what did you say? And

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Speaker 1: they bust my balls that I never heard of it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's a wild trip. And this is what a fire

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Speaker 1: drill has become real quick. Before we get into the

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Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of the fire drill, I just want

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Speaker 1: to thank u. Dormy Workshop and power Points, both long

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Speaker 1: uh and very very huge part of what we're doing

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Speaker 1: with that. Here's three of us talking this weekend golf.

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Speaker 1: I got in my head. Can't get John nothing thing

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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. Hello, and welcome back to their

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Speaker 1: Fire Drill podcast. This is Alan Schipnik. It's a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: That means Michael Bamt and Ryan French are online here

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Speaker 1: to do this thing. So guys, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: Michael was a silent start. He leaned in like he

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Speaker 1: was gonna say something. Hello, Allen, Hello Michael. All right,

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Speaker 1: so let's just get into the news the day here.

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Speaker 1: Rory McElroy world number one, where he belongs, right, Like

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Speaker 1: we've we've talked a lot about Rory this year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's been the keynote player, he's been the best player

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Speaker 1: him coming up short at the majors. Like I'd like

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Speaker 1: because I feel like you wrote the first really big

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Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years ago, you know the remember the

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Speaker 1: Golf Plus a Master's Preview. And uh, and you've always

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Speaker 1: I know, you and Jerry have always had good mojo.

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Speaker 1: And um, I mean tell a listener is a little

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Speaker 1: just watching him play golf and listening to his press conferences. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I'm people who follow really closely would

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Speaker 1: know this, but but many would not. He's an only child,

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Speaker 1: his parents. But it was very different than Earle because

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Speaker 1: it really informs the whole man and why I think

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Speaker 1: They raised him with like it's important to when it's important.

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Speaker 1: You know, of course, try your hardest and be the

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Speaker 1: We've seen it his whole career. We watched his whole

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Speaker 1: But he's like landing, but he can put. And uh

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Speaker 1: And but I guess I'm going so far back because

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Speaker 1: And and this is not a comment on Live at all.

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Speaker 1: And him to represent the PGA Tour on the world

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Speaker 1: centers and fucking farms that that the classic thing to

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00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: do would be for a group of guys to sign

426
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: up and then not play. Yeah then the guy, Yeah,

427
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: then you're just donating money to the PGA tour. I

428
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: don't know that. Marshall approximately ten teams starting at approximately

429
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: thirty one on a Wednesday, November six, Two teams comprised

430
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: of one professional and three amateurs at fucking Q School,

431
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: not not just three hameters three hackers. Like, anyone who

432
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: knows that they shouldn't sign up is not going to

433
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: sign up. The people are going to sign up is

434
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: the thirty five handicapper who's like, of course, I'd love

435
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: to play with the pro golfer for five thousand dollars.

436
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: That seems like great. And you have lawyers in your family.

437
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a tax deduction? If you played

438
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: the pro am where the tour was the the nonprofit

439
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: PJ Tour is the beneficiary? Could you write it off? Yes?

440
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: I mean is the US when you play, if you

441
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: play in you know, the first to open, you're you're

442
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: making the checkout of the Monterey Peninsula Foundation and they're

443
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: the charitable arm. Now, I don't know, has is there

444
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: a designated charitable beneficiary for Q School? I mean that's

445
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: an insting question. Ryan doesn't say in the form checks

446
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: payable to j Monahan. I mean, it's just like it's

447
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: a letter from you know, just bullet points where to park,

448
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and then just thrown in the middle

449
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: it just says pro wam pro Am. I am I'm stunned.

450
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. Well, I mean,

451
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: we jest, but the tour is draining their reserves. They've

452
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: they've gone, they put all their chips into the middle

453
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: of the table. They just built whatever hundred million dollar headquarters,

454
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: whatever that final cost was. Like you know, you've been

455
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: talking about the raising the prices at Q school. They're

456
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: doing this, doing that. I mean, it's possible that someone

457
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: is sounding the alarm in part of Beak saying guys

458
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: like we are at a serious revenue deficit and we

459
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: need to we need to make every five dollars we

460
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: can and any which way. So it's it seems totally bizarre.

461
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: But if you look in the context of the tours,

462
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: never shelled out this much money. Yeah, for a devalued product.

463
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, Wow, I would. I am going

464
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: to do an article and interview the fifty amateurs as

465
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: they come off of the of the course, Like, Wow,

466
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: that guy was a real jerk. He's pretty stressed out,

467
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: And I was like, I thought this was fun. Worse

468
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: tiger what anyway? That is one well, so one thing

469
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: I want to talk about just because you know, kind

470
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: of rounding up the week a little bit and we

471
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: are guilty of not giving enough airtime to our great

472
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: friends on the LPGA. But Lydia Co won over in

473
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: um in Korea. She's she's leading the points race and

474
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: the scoring title and she's having another banner year. Really,

475
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: you have to go back to like two thousand sixteen

476
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: when she was playing at this level, and Lydia Co

477
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: is on my favorite people in golf. And when I

478
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: think about her as a teenager, that was the purest,

479
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 1: most natural golf I've ever witnessed my own eyes, Like

480
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: she just made it look so easy, totally unencombered by

481
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: swing thoughts, just had incredible feel for the game and

482
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: a Jordan's speed, likability to get the ball in the

483
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: hole from unusual places, and um so I'm delighted that

484
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: she's back, you know, to being a superstar once again.

485
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: And i just want to give her a shout out.

486
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying how old without looking how old

487
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: is Lydiac Michael's frozen in time? No, I'm I don't

488
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: want to make a bad guess. I'm not all right, Alan,

489
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Alan gave me what I thought Alan might know. But

490
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: since he's in, but go, I mean, go fire away.

491
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: Oh God, it's gonna be embarrassing. That's a great guess.

492
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: She's I mean, does not feel like she's been part

493
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: of our lives for like ever. I mean I would

494
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: be like, I mean, it just shows how young the

495
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: women's game is is Like, I mean, she has been forever.

496
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like you would think that I would

497
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: you know if I didn't know, because I know, but

498
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: like and they get ten years ago as an anima,

499
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, she's she's when you see her in person, Uh,

500
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: you can't believe how slender she is. And to hit

501
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: it as far as she does, I mean, it really

502
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: shows you what mechanics will do. Yeah, the efficiency this is,

503
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: this is what I can't pinpoint the year. It's probably

504
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: six or seven years ago. Um I I spent a

505
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: David Lydia in San Francisco because her this sort of

506
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: a joint venture between her people at i MG and LPGA.

507
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: They wanted to film this fun videos. The idea was

508
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: she would play a made up golf course through San Francisco,

509
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: all these you know, iconic spots. She hit a put

510
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: down Lombard Street and we hit a hit a t

511
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: shot off of Alcatraz. It was a great idea, but

512
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: it turned out to be an incredibly long day because

513
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: it's not easy to get around San Francisco and the

514
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: park and get the film crew, and I mean it

515
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: was like we basically went from dawn to dusk for

516
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: what turned out to be a very short little social

517
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: media video. But she was. She was so delightful and

518
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: we're driving around. You know, there's there's there's a great

519
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: mural and it's Scott Uh, you know, Jimi Hendrix and

520
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: Jazz Joplin and the Great and Jerry Garcia and um,

521
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to think Els is on. There

522
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of you know, perhaps yeah, I'm not sure

523
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: if Tony Benn was on. It was but like all

524
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: these musicians who have passed through San Francisco and played

525
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: an important part, and so we we we quizzed her

526
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: and she didn't know a single one of them, which

527
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: is not you know, she was whatever sixteen but it

528
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: was so funny and um just the this. She might

529
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: have been eighteen, but I mean she was still I

530
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: think she was late. Yeah, she was a teenager. Was

531
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: that the swinging was that the swinging skirts event that

532
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: used to have Yeah, I think I think it was

533
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: pegged to that that was a great event at um

534
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: that lake More said, which funny enough, I just I

535
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: may have wangled and invite they just Gil Hants just

536
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: redid it and it reopen and yesterday and um, I

537
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: saw some people playing on social media, so I hit

538
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: him up. And it's closed to guests and throughout the

539
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: end of this year. But I'm like, you gotta make

540
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: exception for reporters were trying to, like, you know, build

541
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: some buzz for you. You know, like, uh yeah, maybe

542
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: they're afraid that you won't like it, and they know

543
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: that you're a truth when it comes through. I like,

544
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: I like the old lake and I said, in fact,

545
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: it's it's the scene until and we you know, we

546
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: can touch on this or not. But since our last podcast,

547
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: I didn't make my first hole in one and but

548
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: there is twitter debate. I know we'll get into that.

549
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: But the most devastating near miss of my entire life

550
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: was I played in the pro am at the Swinging

551
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: Skirts with Christina Kim and I think it's a third hole.

552
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: It's steeply downhill. Part three pin was way on the

553
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: right and Christina is like, the only hit this close

554
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: you have to land it on the fringe right of

555
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: the of the whole and it'll it'll go dead sideways

556
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: towards the flag. And one of the rare times in

557
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: my life, I did exactly I was trying to do

558
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: and it was tracked in the whole way, and the

559
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: people were in the green were getting excited and we

560
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: were dead silent, and it lipped out like didn't after

561
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: you can see a horse shoe. I still have a

562
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: glass I want for closest to the pin. But and

563
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: I fell to my knees in anguish because it looked

564
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: so good and it was like a slow trickle. It

565
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: was agonizing. We had so much time to watch it

566
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: play out. So I'm gonna ask the question, where, Ryan,

567
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: does did you make the butt? I made? But yeah,

568
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: I made, I mean expired like four inches. It was.

569
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: It was so painful because to have I mean, there's

570
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: probably fifty people out there and Christina, you know I'm

571
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: great friends with and like that would have been an

572
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: epic first one. But yeah, so let's get into the debate.

573
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: So I was playing the hunted hole hike. We were

574
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: at the Peter Hay golf Course in Pebble Beat and

575
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: so yes, it's the holes are short. The one I

576
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the one that happened to knocking it was I think

577
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: sixty one yards. So um. I fully understand those who

578
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: think it should have an ASTERIXK. But after a lifetime

579
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: of near misss is and bad luck, I'm like, screw it, man,

580
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm counting it. I'm I've already ordered the plaque. You

581
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: can't take it away from you. Here here is my think.

582
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: This is my take coming from a person who had

583
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: a hole in one on a part three course. Now

584
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: it was two times as long as your hole in one.

585
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: But here is I always always say this is if

586
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: the person who made the hole in one thinks it's

587
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: a hole in one, it's a fucking hole in one.

588
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter, like I think I made a

589
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: hole in one, Like I don't. I could care less

590
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: what J. J. Kleen thinks. That JJ is a great

591
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: dude and a fun guy and hilarious, but he doesn't

592
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: have to think that I made a hole in one.

593
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: I was there, I made one. I didn't. I think

594
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: that's a great definition. I totally agree with that. And

595
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: I was, as you were saying, I think, just to

596
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: binder a little bit but your definition is perfect. If

597
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: you've got a story to tell about the one that

598
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: you made, it is a hole in one. Otherwise you

599
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a story to tell. JJ had one of

600
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: the most biting Twitter comments of all. He said, of

601
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: my eight nice chip in that's not true. It was

602
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: a sawed off lob wedge or sand wedge. Higher, a

603
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: little higher, and that toe is turning over. That's not

604
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: a fair comment. Yeah, no, I know what it's but

605
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: but also I mean he should be told, Alan, and

606
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: you know this to be true. And I got this

607
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: straight from Tom Weiscope, who knows it's a chip if

608
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: it spends more time on the ground than in the air.

609
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: And that certainly did not. So I rejected, rejected, compank you, Michael.

610
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: And we all know that there's some some there's plenty

611
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: of weird hole in ones where it gets a funky bounce.

612
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: This if you this is the hardest green by far

613
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: at Peter, Hey, it's extremely shallow. I appreciate this cell.

614
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: Appreciate this cell job so much. You really do it?

615
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: What did tigers C do about it? Yeah? I know.

616
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I almost considered texting Mark Steinberg and being like, hey,

617
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: I made an ace on Tigers of course, can can

618
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: I have like, can I get him on the phone

619
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: to talk about the making of when why Why did

620
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: Why did you not just sex tired directly? Yeah, like

621
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Philly changes his number a lot. But yeah, but no,

622
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: so let's get back to the let's stay focused here,

623
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: let's labor focus. This might be the rest of the

624
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: podcast of three parts if we're just gonna So it's

625
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: like extremely shallow green and it has this big swell

626
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: on the left side and they have the pin front right.

627
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: If you went at the flag with impossible to hold

628
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: the green, big false front, guys kept Most people weren't

629
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: even hitting the green on this one. So you had

630
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: after playing a few times, like okay, you gotta aim

631
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: three or four yards left, hit into that hill and

632
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: spin it back. And I actually you should have left

633
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: off the fact that you played it three or four times.

634
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: There's four or five times I played it. But yeah,

635
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: so no, this this came up also in fact, it

636
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: was the eighth time or night time I played it,

637
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: because it's my eightieth hole of the day of the hunter. Like,

638
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: but if you're a member at at a club or

639
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: if it's just your local community, you play a lot

640
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: like you know the greens Like so, Ryan, you get

641
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: to a part three at the Alpina Country Club or

642
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: golf club or golf course and and the pins back left,

643
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: you know how you have to play it. So I

644
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: mean it's the same thing like like, yes, I have

645
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: some institutional knowledge, but everyone has that and of course

646
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: they know well, Allen, I'm here to give you ship.

647
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter at the end of the day, if

648
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: you counted as all on one as all on one.

649
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Michael and I have talked about the third hole behind

650
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: my house way too much over the last two weeks.

651
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: If I and I went out there and played that hole,

652
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: only that hole a lot of times, and if I

653
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: would have knocked one in, I want to call it

654
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: a fucking hole in one. There's a hundred and seventy

655
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: yard hall. I mean, you want to call your sixty

656
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: yard lob ledge that you played nine times and you

657
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: knew exact break and all that stuff all on one.

658
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: Call it a wall and one when you put it

659
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: like that. Jeez, here, here here's the proof of how

660
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: much I agree with Ryan. I was playing with a

661
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: great friend of mine, Fred Anton, years ago. Like Fred Anton,

662
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: we started a number ten of the Build Up Your

663
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: CECT Club Short Part three. I made a bogeye he

664
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: made an X. Uh. He said, I'm not counting it.

665
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm in bog I'm counting it. So

666
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: we came through again and uh so now he's playing

667
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: a nineteen pall and he made a one that counts

668
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: in his Yeah, well, extenuating circumstances in this is that

669
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: I told you I'll do in the hundred hole hike.

670
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: I said, if I don't make an ace, I'll donate

671
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars to youth on course, So there was

672
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: a lot at stake by time you get the thirty fifty, sixties,

673
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: seventy holes and every single time you step on the

674
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: tear trying to make one. And we and we sent

675
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: some poor bastard cameraman John out there. I was like, okay, dude,

676
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: he's like holding the camera the camera guy. That how

677
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: they got that? Did they have every shot? Films every shot? Yeah,

678
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 1: at some point they'll be like that boring faster. But John,

679
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: actually John figurerolla shout out to him. He was great

680
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: because the like the preceding eight or nine or ten

681
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: holes before I actually dunked one was by far the best.

682
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: I hit it all day, like I was peppering it

683
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: at the flag, and I was like, well, I can't

684
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: do I can't call it, Michael as our words Smith

685
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: of the of the Threesome. Can we use the word

686
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: dunked on a sixty one yard shot? We can't use

687
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: fired when Frank lick letter shott two. Can we use

688
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: dunked on a sixty one yard shot? Well? No, The

689
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: only time you dunk one is if the thing I

690
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: mean very rarely happens to me. It goes in on

691
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: the flyer, on the flag. That's dunking it. Short of that,

692
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: you hold it out. So John figure out the camera like, yeah,

693
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: I didn't even I spun it in. I read it perfectly.

694
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: John's like it's gonna happen. I can feel it. It's coming,

695
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: and I want to say, fuck you, John, it's not coming, Like,

696
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: stop taunting me. He was dead serious, like he's a

697
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: very positive person then, but his energy kind of sustained me.

698
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: So I give him a lot of credit for sure. God, Michael,

699
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: how many do you have? I have only one, just one,

700
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: you know. Now I've got others. You know that don't

701
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: count it's so good. Why do they count Michael just

702
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: breaking my you weren't playing a proper round or you

703
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: just holes of a proper round. Ryan, I'm I'm going

704
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. I'm going your definition. Yeah,

705
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean again, like, there's plenty of

706
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: people who think mine is not a hole in one.

707
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm all good. I was hitting off a matt from

708
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: a hundred fifteen doublet like but not quite. I mean,

709
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: I counted, I count it. I mean, it doesn't matter

710
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: Allen counts it. That's it's the hole in one to

711
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: me because it's counted. But I do look forward to

712
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: justifying it. Yes, on a on a real golf regular holes.

713
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: You know who's who's doing the work at lake More,

714
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: said Gail Hunts. You know Alston mackenzie worked on that

715
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: course in bits and pieces because you know he was

716
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: he was doing Uh who was credited geez that. I'm

717
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: not positive. I don't want to say the wrong thing.

718
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: But they have some great old photos of the original bunkering.

719
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: Then they brought it back and it looks really pure.

720
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: You know what Tom Doak says of these renovation projects,

721
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: most clubs prefer the way it was before we got there.

722
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: Now I have to, in total fairness to Tom, I've gotta,

723
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: I've gotta, I've gotta edit that. Not. We like Tom

724
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: like any architect. You know, he's broadly speaking, and he's

725
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: done some very good renovation work. But you know, it's hard.

726
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: It's hard to do renovation work. I'm googling um. Lakemer said.

727
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: It was originally developed well, yeah, reworked by Alston mackenzie

728
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: later that decade. But then in the sixties Interstate to

729
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: eighty came along and they lost some holes. Robert Muir

730
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: Graves came in and did it. Um. So there's it's

731
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: It's been in the mishmash of different people. So I

732
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: think I think this is a more unified version of it. Right,

733
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: I did not know Willy luck but but Jake did,

734
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: or Jake looked it up. I was gonna say, like,

735
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: I've never I've never heard I've never heard of Willie

736
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: luck If. For those who don't know, the DOOTR, San

737
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: Francisco Olympic Club, Lakemore said, San Francisco Golf Club and

738
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: Cow Club are all basically adjoining it. There's a very

739
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: few places on the plant that have such great golf

740
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: in such close proxy. There's some corners along island obviously

741
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: the Monterey Peninsula. Um, let's not for guess well, let's

742
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: not forget the Kentish coast of England. Yeah, there's there's

743
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: a handful World Sports Center and have you played that.

744
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's still open. The Part

745
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: three course at Olympic and the dunes there. Oh yeah,

746
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, they've they've gone back into it is open.

747
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean they've they've they've always wanted to make that

748
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: even more spectacular given the setting, but the California Coastal

749
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: Commission hasn't. They've kind of put the coboss on some

750
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: some different ideas, but it is it is really neat.

751
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: It's someone who's lived a lot of time in San Francisco.

752
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: You could only join one of those San Francisco clubs,

753
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: Which which one would you want to join? Well, Cow

754
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: Club because it's by far the most fun and it's

755
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: it's an amazing golf course. San Francisco is I probably

756
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: like that golf course a little bit better, but you know,

757
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: it's very old school and not kind of my vibe.

758
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: Cow Club's fun, but I'd be happy with any of them.

759
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: Did you guys know that Yannick Paul had a twin?

760
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: Did you know Yannick Paul when he wanted Yannick Paul

761
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: one today on the European Tour. Yeah? No, he made

762
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: it awesome, you know. Second, Yeah, yeah, huge, But um no,

763
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until until today. I saw on

764
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: social media. He's really I mean, he's a very nice guy.

765
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Him and his brother are German and played in Colorado.

766
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: Really nice guys played on the Outlaw Tour in two

767
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: thousand twenty. I mean I posted a picture in Michael's back,

768
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: back to Michael's point about golf, meaning something like this

769
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: guy I posted today in two thousand twenty, lessons like

770
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: just over two years ago, the guy was making checks

771
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: for like three thirty eight dollars on the Outlaw Tour,

772
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: you know. And that's not including the fact that he

773
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: paid a nine injury fee to get into that tournament.

774
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: So he's really negative six d plus travel costs. And

775
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: so obviously that put is awesome. That's why I love golf.

776
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: But here's the not so serious side of it. So

777
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: he has an identical twin. And when I say identical,

778
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: they are identical. Their golf coach who've talked too many times.

779
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: Uh at Colorado. Uh, last name Edwards is like, I

780
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: can't tell him a part. They were both on the

781
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: corn Ferry Tour in a pro am. They switched the

782
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: brothers on the t and no one in the group. Now, okay,

783
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: so here's the here's the question. You're leading, Yannick I

784
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: was leading after the third round, he goes to the

785
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: bathroom and pulls his grind, or is walking to the

786
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: thing and pulls his grind. His whole careers in the balance.

787
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: His brother Jeremy is a very good player in his

788
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: own right. Do you send your twin brother to play

789
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: the final round? No one would know, No one would know.

790
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously if we're gonna go by it's the

791
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: code of golf and all. Yes, of course, of course not,

792
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: but I would say go for. It's a once in

793
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: a lifetime opportunity to be telling this story for the

794
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: rest of their lives. I mean, Uh, Curtis Strange. How

795
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: to have a brother, Alan Strange, who was absolutely identical

796
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: back then, especially and at the v A U s Open.

797
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: Uh Alan came up to watch the watch the last

798
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: round and he got there early news there with his

799
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: buddies and they're walking around drinking beers and people are like,

800
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't think curse has got much of a chance today.

801
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: Has happened the bag already? Well, I mean, did you

802
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: guys ever see the fake Clay Thompson. M Oh yeah, yeah,

803
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: he got all the way into the Yeah, yeah, yeah.

804
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: It is Golden State Warriors fan who looked very much

805
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: like Clay Thompson facially, but you know, he's about fifty

806
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: pounds heavier. But he would get mistaken for Clay and

807
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: he'd sign autographs and then he went down onto the

808
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: court and shot around and no one said anything. So

809
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: but he finally got pinched in band. But yeah, it's

810
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a wild idea. You're the biggest moment

811
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: of your life hanging in the balance, and you like

812
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: break your ankle right, and you're like, I can't go.

813
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, I mean, he just changed his

814
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: life today. It had it would have at least have

815
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: to cross your mind. Your brother is a very good golfer,

816
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: and you're just like, hey man, you're gonna have to

817
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: like here's what Kurt and I talked about yesterday, you know,

818
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: like and like this is it, Go get him Tiger,

819
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: And uh, would Ryan, what would you do with the

820
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: caddy in that situation? Would you let him in on it?

821
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: And then obviously he's gonna get right and uh instead

822
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: of ten and uh, we're all just gonna I was

823
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: gonna move on. It would be funnier. The caddy didn't know. Amazing.

824
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if the golf coach can't tell their swings apart,

825
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: then I doubt the caddy here nothing. The corn Ferry

826
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: Tour did a thing and literally the guys played a

827
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: hole with a different brother, like there was a blind

828
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: t shirt and he's like, I'm going back to the tea,

829
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: and the other brother got up on the team and

830
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: play the entire hole with him, and no one knew.

831
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, I grew up playing basketball with

832
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: these twins, admirals. I could never tell them apart to

833
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: this day, I still can't. It's so trippy. Anyway, Yannick

834
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: Paul great, I mean, Jeremy, it's not very nice too,

835
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: but Yannicks a great guy, was super happy for the gay.

836
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: Now does anybody don't look it up? Know who won

837
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: the Senior Tour in Richmond today? Oh? I know that

838
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: alt he was tied. Uh, this is a guest because

839
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: I don't know Elker Steve out here. Yeah I didn't.

840
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't even check my bad Steve. He did win,

841
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: and I spoke to him for about an hour on

842
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and it was mostly a pep talk. It

843
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I know you've been struggling, but come on,

844
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Bob Ritella would take like four percent of the victory

845
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Speaker 1: check just for that one hour, So I think, No,

846
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Speaker 1: this guy has won more. He's won over three million

847
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: dollars this year. That's awesome. It's actually now Ryan, were

848
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: you were you aware of him and as a as

849
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: a Monday Que guy? Yeah? I mean, Michael, he's in

850
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: this position because of a Monday Que. So he into

851
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: a senior event and when like sixth, third, second, five, whatever,

852
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: it's impossible to gain status on the on the Champions too.

853
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: You really gotta like play well, and he like we

854
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: never look back. One Monday que changed his life. I

855
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: mean it's been a wild right. Second of all, always

856
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: talk about surreal moments. Michael Bamberger asking me for a

857
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: phone number of a player was pretty awesome. All right,

858
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: this guy has a ROLLADEX is loaded, loaded, with people

859
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, Ryan DF, Steve Alkers. I was like,

860
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Speaker 1: I might give it to you, Michael, I'm not sure. Yeah,

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00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: I suppose, like uh, Alan asked me for dalfinster Wald

862
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: uh last year. While back He's like, and he's like,

863
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't think this is likely, but do you have

864
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: to doubt constroll by any chance? Like that's easy. I

865
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: mean give me something with b J that would be challenging.

866
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: I just think you know, you being Elker sports psychologist.

867
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Speaker 1: My favorite quote ever about sports psychologists when I did

868
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: a big feature in Kevin Na for Sports Illustrated back

869
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: when he was really in the wild and so haunted um,

870
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: and I said, why haven't you worked with sports psychologists?

871
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: He's like, they're all captain obvious. They tell you something

872
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: you already know when they charge you five hundred buck.

873
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: Because he's like, I don't need them. That's well said

874
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: who Kevin? Nah? Yeah? Yeah, Well I think Kevin up

875
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: must be pretty strong, you know, because he doesn't have

876
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: much and he sat up there a long time. He

877
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: must and he really even Yeah how old was he

878
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: when he was Probably that's a long long long time

879
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: to stay out there. We didn't really hit him very

880
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: far at all. Uh, it's impressive, you know. Um uh

881
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: what just one quick note about about alcer soap. You know,

882
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm asking all search of different ways how did you

883
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: do it? And he's given me really thoughtful answers on them.

884
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: Write him down as fast as I him. And then

885
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: and then an old friend of mine said, well, how

886
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: do you do it? So I said all the things

887
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: that Alker told me, you know, when he was when

888
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: he was forty eight and a half, he came up

889
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: with this program to get really good and focus on

890
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: is and equipment and fitness and blah blah blah blah blah.

891
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: And I recited all to my to my friend who's

892
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 1: eighty eight years old, and he said, they all say

893
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: that he did it. It's like, wow, that is a

894
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: tremendous insight. So I didn't use any of that in

895
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: the history because I realized, yeah, they and this guy

896
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: did it, and here's the answer. There is no answer.

897
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: There was an answer. Other guys would black good. Yeah, exactly.

898
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: He's an awesome I mean the fact that he wants

899
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 1: I mean, he really has changed his life, that dude.

900
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean the I don't know if he told you

901
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: Michael but was over twenty two or over twenty three

902
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: that in a row, had missed twenty three cuts in

903
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: a row when he went on the court for a

904
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean, you know, and uh back to

905
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: your point of you know, uh, short hitters and you

906
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: know he's a tiny little guy, doesn't end very far.

907
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Obviously that doesn't matter as much on the senior tour,

908
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: but just the fact that he get sustain his career

909
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: to get to the point of getting to the Senior Tour.

910
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: So uh, I mean, good on him that it is

911
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: really he is exactly who the Champions Tour does not

912
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: want winning this. Charles schwap Cup, I will tell you

913
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: that I don't know. Well, I mean, I'm sure that's right,

914
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: but it's it's also neat to see that again, you know,

915
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean, golf is definitely the dream machine in this.

916
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, this is a great just like Tom Lehman was,

917
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: you know when he was thirty gonna crack and just

918
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: like Hogan was. And it's happened many many times through

919
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: golf history. There got guys figure it out when you're

920
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: at least expecting him. I will tell it quick. Tom

921
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: Lehman story third hand he was playing by himself and

922
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: a guy was playing by himself behind him and caught

923
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: up to him and I was like, hey, do you

924
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: mind if I play with you? And he said no,

925
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: not at all, and striping it making Bertie's left and right,

926
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, what's your name? And he said,

927
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: Tom Lehman, I'm thinking about quitting. You know, I'm a

928
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: pro golfer, but I'm thinking about quitting. But my wife

929
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: is pushing me to continue to play, and I'm gonna

930
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: give it one more shot. And the next year I

931
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: went onto the whatever it was Ben Hogan Tour dominated

932
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: and oh that's it. You know that. The best Tom

933
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: Layman story is that when he was really, really really struggling,

934
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: had no money and was leaving a tournament on a Sunday,

935
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: it was all grungy and started pouring rain. He's like,

936
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: you know what, screw it. I don't think I can

937
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: be able to afford a hotel, jumps out into the

938
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: rain with a bar of soap and like takes a

939
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: shower in the cold, freezing rain, rinses off and keeps going.

940
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: Like when when you're showering in the rain like that,

941
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: that's the Monday lifestyle. Didn't he sell his clubs to

942
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: get home on time or something like that. Isn't there

943
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: a legend? I don't know that, but I hope it's true.

944
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: That's awesome, But Michael, I'm not sure I have a

945
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: story all want my note. Isn't there a thing where

946
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: he was? Was he the Minnesota golf coach at one point?

947
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: And uh he said, yeah, you gotta run the shop

948
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: and all right, he said, yeah, you gotta rent out

949
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: the cross country ski some winters. Yeah, yeah, that's part

950
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: of the legend. I've never fact checked it, but that's

951
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: that's always been attached to him for sure. Well he's like,

952
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not doing the cross country skis. It's

953
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Speaker 1: been another pleasantly discursive podcast. I think we should release

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971
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Speaker 1: you you didn't use the word you customarily use our kiss, Yeah,

972
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: because because your pronunciation of it is so suet generous.

973
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: I love it when you use it. All right, well

974
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: I'll scroll that away because hazard what what dessert? Well?

975
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: What was more? We used earlier? Taciturn Yeah. So these

976
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Speaker 1: fire Drill podcasts are happening every Sunday and going forward,

977
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: hopefully Ryan will be more taciturn um. But um, until then,

978
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: close this one out. I'm Alan Schepnik. That was Ryan

979
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: French and Michael Bamberger. Thank you for listening. As always,

980
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys out there, and uh we'll do

981
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: it again soon. Thanks a bed big played to win,

982
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: made a fortune within my ship game. I ran the

983
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: table and thought I could fall. Then the win hit

984
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: me like a cannon, the ball and now I can't

985
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: shake this losing the streak. Every road I take is

986
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: a dead end stream. I got thoughts in my head,

987
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: can't get him out, trying not to think what I'm

988
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 1: thinking about. I got of thoughts in my head, can't

989
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: get him out, and trying not to think what I'm

990
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: thinking about.