1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: and we here at Breaking Points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: it means the absolute world to have your support. What 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: are you waiting for? Become a premium subscriber today at 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal? Indeed, 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: we do lots of big political and foreign affairs news 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: that is breaking this morning. First of all, the Trump 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: campaign has now I guess officially launched like it had 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: launched before, but then kind of really do anything now. 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: He actually seems like he's doing some stuff. He was 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, he's in South Carolina. Really interesting comments 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: made there, in particular about a couple of his would 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: be rivals, Rnonda Santis and Nikki Haley. So we'll tell 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: you about that. We also, this is a great soccer find. 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson was on with Joe Rogan and he was 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: actually going after Ronda Santis, which I was fascinated by it. 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: I thought we would talk. Yeah, very interesting exchange. So 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: in the spirit of like twenty twenty four and Ronda 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Santis is a potential Trump contender, we will bring you 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: that as well. We also have some new not very 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: good numbers for Joe Biden coming out of New Hampshire. 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: Actually Trump, for all the media talk of his weakness 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: in the Republican primary, by some measures, he's in a 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: lot better position than Joe Biden is visa VI the 30 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Democratic base. So kind of interesting there. And also this 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: is a little bit stunning. The Biden campaign is planning 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: on running on how great the economy is, even as 33 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: their own Treasury secretary said saying we're headed into a recession. 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: Oh that smart. Lots of political news, we'll get into 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: all of that. We also have some big news coming 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: out of the Pentagon here there considering sending fighter jets 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. This of course on the heels of deciding 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: to send tanks, after saying previously that they were not 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: going to say tanks. We have Israel striking a Ron 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: multiple times, drone strikes. What will the fallout of that? Be. 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: We also have that absolutely disgusting, disturbing, gut wrenching video 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: of police murdering Tyree Nichols in Memphis. We'll bring you 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of that and also talk to you 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: about what it all means and what exactly happened there. 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: And a new expert panel recommending some changes to gain 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: a function research. So we're going to talk about all 47 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: of that. We also have Jeffrey Stein in the show 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: Jeffrey and never call him Jeffrey, just Seine. Let's call 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: him Jeffrey just Stine the wasch and Post talking about 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: some weird tricks that could diffuse the debt sealing crisis 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: and whether any of them are actually realistically on the table. 52 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: So let's start with the political news. Here. We had 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: Donald Trump in New Hampshire and Donald Trump in South 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: Carolina talking a little bit of trash about the potential competition, 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: saying that he doesn't really think he has any Let's 56 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: take a listen. Remember I used to in twenty sixteen, 57 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: I talked about polls all the time. I'm in twenty twenty. 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have to because we didn't have a lot 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: of competition. We had no competition, and I don't think 60 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: we have a competition this time either, to be honest, 61 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: but I talked about the polls and I will say 62 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: that our poles, we are absolutely we are so far 63 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: ahead in the polls, both in New Hampshire. One came 64 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: out this morning a very nice pole the way ahead, 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: and one came out yesterday a nationwide pole, and we're 66 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: thirty five points up, thirty nine points up. That's a lot. 67 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: So Ron would have not been governor because of a name. 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Then what I hear he might run? You know, I 69 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: consider that very disloyal to talk to her for a 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: little while, but I said, look, you know, go buy 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: your heart if you want to run. She's publicly say 72 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: that I would never run against my president. He was 73 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: a great president. So there you go saying, you know, 74 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: same thing about Ron DeSantis and how it wouldn't be 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: very loyal, he would never be anybody if it wasn't 76 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: for me. With Nikki Haley, he's like, yeah, she apparently 77 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: came to me. I said, okay, you know, follow your heart. 78 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: But she said she would never run against her favorite president, 79 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: which is me. Although Nikki apparently is looking at a 80 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: February launch. Yes, she's like a presidential election. Good luck, 81 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: That's all I have to say. I guess. Yeah, it's 82 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: comments about her I thought were particularly like passive aggressive, 83 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: like oh yeah, sure she called me follow your heart. 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: But of course she said she never run against her 85 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: favorite president. So but in a way, Crystal, he is right, 86 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: isn't that she is such a kiss ass? If you 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: genuinely believe that Trump was bad a you worked for him, 88 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: you didn't get fired, you quit b You kissed his 89 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: ass all the way up until January sixth, then denounced him, 90 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: but then kissed his ass again. Yeah, and so it 91 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: is back here, like pressing the ring even before her 92 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: own presidence. Make up your mind, you know. I mean, 93 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: she's one of these, Yeah she is. She's kind of 94 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: a Kamala Harris of the Republican Party. Donor Glass loves 95 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: this woman. They think she's the you know, next big thing. 96 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: She's got all the like diversity checkbox, and there is 97 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: so little there there. I mean, just in terms of 98 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: like personal charisma and any sort of political talent, et cetera. 99 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, maybe I'm wrong, but I think she 100 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: is a complete donor and media class phenomenon. So anyway, 101 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: she looks like is really actually getting a team together 102 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: and may jump in February. She might be the first 103 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: other I guess John Bolton announced his presidential campaign as well, 104 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: but other than him, she might be the first sort 105 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: of challenger to jump in this race against him. We've 106 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: been talking about how the field is kind of frozen 107 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: because they're all terrified of him really coming after them 108 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: in an aggressive way. Well they should be. And actually 109 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: immediately after that campaign Trump put out truth last night 110 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: quote the fake news media, it was good yesterday in 111 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: the coverage of my stops in New Hampshire, other than 112 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: the globalist Street Journal, which is rarely accurate, good they said, 113 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: the day was really I mean, he is right, He's right, 114 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: it was really amazing. The enthusiasm to make America great 115 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: again has never been stronger here it is. The revelations 116 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: about rondasanctimonious, doing far worse than many Republican governors, including 117 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: that he unapologetically shut down Florida and his speeches was interesting. Indeed, 118 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: DJT leading big. So what can we get from that? 119 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: So it's been leaked down for quite some time that 120 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: the dysantist tactic against Trump, if such a thing were 121 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: to materialize would be I'm the one who fought against 122 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: the COVID regime. Trump is the one who kept fauci. 123 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: He's the one who kept a lot of the lockdown 124 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: procedures in place while he was there. So I've always 125 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: been skeptical of how potent that attack is because, look, 126 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty three, It's January thirtieth, twenty twenty three. 127 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: Why are we still litigating the pandemic, especially the lockdown 128 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: phrase of it, which effectively is been over at least 129 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: for over a year. And then number two, it gets 130 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: to I mean, look this think this is probably what 131 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: Trump would say, and I do actually think he's correct. 132 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: One of the reasons DeSantis was able to do effectively 133 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: whatever he wants is because the federal government does not 134 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: have the power to determine lockdown procedure in the state 135 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: of California or in the city of San Francisco, like 136 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: we have a federalist system. As president, you have actually 137 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: very little leeway. And look, even at the time, like 138 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: we really want to get into this, Trump was basically 139 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: anti lockdown after what like July. I think at the 140 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: beginning it was like we'll be opened by reopened by 141 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: some kinds of what turned out exactly. Absolutely, I agree 142 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: it was not accurate thing. It was a dumb move 143 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: not to fire Fauci. That's absolutely very valid criticism, not 144 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: to go after him on that, on some of the 145 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: elements that were in it. But you know, by and large, 146 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: like I don't know if DeSantis has a real substantive 147 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: leg to stand on as far as it lands with 148 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: the base. I mean, do people really love Ron DeSantis 149 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: right now because of COVID and lockdowns? Or is it 150 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: COVID anti lockdown? Economic growth, population growth under Florida and 151 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: ty woke like just a major like owning the Libs 152 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: energy for the last three Like how much of that 153 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: is COVID and how much of that is just being 154 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: hated by the media. So I'm just genuinely skeptical of 155 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: this entire case. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, 156 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: I also think this puts the Christine Noum alliance with 157 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: Trump in some perspective too, because if any governor in 158 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: the country could make the case for like she really 159 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: didn't give a care and just kept everything open the 160 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: whole time and was aggressive about it, she was the 161 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: one who really was sort of at the forefront of that. 162 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: So if anyone could make the case that hey, you're 163 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: kind of a fraud when it comes to what you're 164 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: saying you did on COVID versus what you actually did 165 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: on COVID, she would be a good figure in order 166 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: to do that. But I do kind of agree with 167 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: you that, listen. I mean we've looked at the polls. 168 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: In the midterm polls, we continue to see, you know, 169 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: what people rank as their top issue priorities, and whether 170 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: it's Democrats or Republicans, for the entire country, people have 171 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: moved on. So if this is the whole thing that 172 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis is going to hang his hat on, I 173 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: don't know how far it gets him. I do think too, like, listen, 174 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: Trump is out there. You may be waiting and abiding 175 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: your time and whatever, Trump is not waiting to take 176 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: shots at you. So if you aren't out there defending yourself, counterpunching, 177 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: trying to gain some ground here, because Trump is right 178 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: that at this point, I mean in most polls at 179 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: this point, DeSantis is significantly behind, I think you're losing 180 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity to take advance of what was a period 181 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: of weakness for Trump, which is quickly receding into the past. 182 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: I think that what descent if he were to prosecute 183 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: a case, the Reagan campaign of like nineteen seventy six 184 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: would be the best one. Now, Reagan actually did not 185 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: win in nineteen seventies. That came pretty damn close, and 186 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: that's effectively what made him the nominee in nineteen eighty. 187 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: He was propagating the message. He's like, we look, we 188 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: need to move on from this madness of Nixon, from Ford, 189 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: from all of this chaos, go towards the quote true 190 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: conservative principle and fulfill the very Goldwater Revolution of nineteen 191 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: sixty four. And it was a forward thinking message that 192 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: actually again became very close to actually knocking Ford off 193 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six. And a lot of Gerald Ford 194 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: people would tell you that Ronald Reagan is the guy 195 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: who cost Ford the election because he's the one who 196 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: weakened him amongst the conservative base so that he could 197 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: then get elected in nineteen eighty. But the point is 198 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: is that Reagan was able to almost successfully take down 199 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: the sitting president Gerald Ford amongst the conservative base because 200 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: it was a feeling of man, really stick with this guy. 201 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: There's been all this madness with the Pardons, and then 202 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: obviously you have the Saigon pull out, and it's like 203 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: we just got to move on into a new phase, 204 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: into a more hopeful phase. I don't know exactly how 205 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: that translates, but when I'm looking at it, Reagan had 206 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: the sunny energy and at the same time he was 207 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: barbarous whenever he wanted to be. Yeah, with a political attack. 208 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: That's I think the DeSantis kind of look at Florida 209 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: open for business, where booming. That's what I want to 210 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: bring to the entire country. Yeah, that's that's all I 211 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: would really really with Donald, I thank you for your help. 212 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: You did a great job while you were president, but 213 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: it's time to move on. Yeah. I think that's actually 214 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: a powerful message for a lot of people. Do you 215 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: think that that would sell with the Republican base. Yeah, 216 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean that's the real question. Is you have to 217 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: bet on the idea that the Republican base actually sees 218 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: this as a period of chaos. Actually, you know, a 219 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: majority of them really want to move on because and 220 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: this is the other you know, it's the other proble 221 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about Nicky Haley getting in there. John Bolton, like, 222 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: this is a whole cast of Mike penns is almost 223 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: definitely gonna run, Glenn young Kin almost definitely going to run. 224 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: If a whole cast of character is looking to jump 225 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: into this race. And so it's one thing if you've 226 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: got this true one on one Ron DeSantis versus Donald Trump. 227 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: But I think it becomes so much more difficult when 228 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: you have a whole slate of people who are taking 229 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: up media oxygen and energy and who are trying out 230 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: their own tactics and shots that they're taking at Trump, 231 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: and also have their own base of donors that, even 232 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: if they don't really have any public support, are going 233 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: to prop them up for longer than they really deserve 234 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: to be in the race. Yeah, I think you're right. Okay, 235 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what Trump's strategy is this time around, 236 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: at least thus far, because it is quite different from 237 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: the stylistic approach that he took in both twenty sixteen 238 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty. Split this up on the screen from 239 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: the New York Times. So, as I said before, he 240 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: had these two events in New Hampshire and South Carolina. 241 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: The headline here from the Times is Trump tries a 242 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: new campaign tech colon small scale at two events On Saturday, 243 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: he embraced more traditional campaigning as he struggles to maintain 244 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: support for his third White House bid. So in New Hampshire. 245 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: He spoke in a high school auditorium in Salem, New Hampshire, 246 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: which you know, that's like classic sort of what you 247 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: do when you're on a campaign, but it's not the 248 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: gigantic rallies that he's kind of known for. In South Carolina, 249 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: this was kind of interesting. They say he's previously attracted 250 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: thousands to rallies, but he introduced his state leadership team 251 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: at the state capitol, an extraordinary setting for a politician 252 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: known for upsetting the establishment and taking direct aim at 253 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: long standing public institutions. One thing of note in South 254 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: Carolina is it all depends on how you look at 255 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: this thing, because on the one hand, he didn't get 256 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: like unanimous support of the Republican Congressional delegation or all 257 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: the elective I mean, obviously Nikki Haley is a vacuum. 258 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: Tim Scott is not backing him, who also, by the way, 259 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: both of them might run for president. But he got 260 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: the governor of the state endorsed him, and I think 261 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: several other statewide elected officials from South Carolina endorsed him, 262 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: and you also had the senior centater, Lindsay Graham, who 263 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: endorsed him, and I think three MS six of the 264 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: Republican members of the congressional delegation. So do you see 265 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: that as a show of force for a former president 266 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: who's now, you know, but lost reelection, is running again, 267 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: or do you see that as a sign of weakness 268 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: that he no longer has complete control over all of 269 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: the elected officials in the state. Yeah, it kind of 270 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: depends on how you look at it. I look at 271 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: it as what the actual state of affairs is. He 272 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: has the most people are behind him in the Republican Party. 273 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: From what we can tell so far, a large part 274 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: of the Republican establishment afraid to go up against him. 275 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: You have some people who may oppose him but are 276 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: being silent about it right now. And that's effectively the 277 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: state of the case. And I'm sure in South Carolina 278 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: he's got the first mover's advantage. And also we know 279 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: that announcing early doesn't really guarantee you anything. You know, 280 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: remember who was the first guy to announce in twenty twelve, 281 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: I think was to Tim Paulenti. I mean he was 282 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: the last time he heard it right, last time I checked, 283 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: he was like the chairman of the American financial lobby 284 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: here in Washington, DC. So congratulations worked out at him, 285 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: I guess. But look, that's my point is it's all 286 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: game of timing. But it's also you have to have 287 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: genuine appeal. So with Nikki Hayley, I don't think anybody 288 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: has a genuine appeal behind her except for billionaires who 289 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: are basically neo cons And you know, I mean, good luck, 290 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: I guess in the race. I think would find out 291 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: with her pretty quick. She definitely would be a Jeb 292 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: Bush type character, but for a serious person, and I 293 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: really think Desanta is the only person who might be 294 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: able to do it. This is a tricky game. On 295 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: the one hand, you know, you just won reelection by 296 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: twenty you're cruising at a certain point. Either do it 297 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: or don't. On the other, Trump has always destroyed everybody 298 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: he's ever gone up against. Is it different this time? Look, well, 299 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: we can only find out. Yeah, action, that's the difficulty. 300 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: A couple other notes about the way Trump is approaching 301 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: the campaign, which is also interesting. I mean, twenty twenty, 302 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: the messaging was very little in terms of policy focused. 303 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: It was a lot of just like weird online grievance politics, 304 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: very very hard to say, you know. He was talking 305 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: about like, okay, the economy was great under me, and 306 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: selling some of what he did in terms of COVID, 307 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: but there wasn't a real sort of core policy argument 308 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: like he was making back in twenty sixteen. And in 309 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, he was successful because both people liked his style. 310 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: They liked that he pissed off the people that they hated, 311 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: but they also liked the core of a lot of 312 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: the actual policy that he was selling. And then he 313 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: is in office and doesn't do any of those things 314 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: and ends up just being another Republican who gives the 315 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: store away to the rich. He seems like he's trying 316 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: to recapture some of that twenty sixteen energy. So in 317 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: this article they point out that over the past six 318 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: weeks on True Social Trump has been posting a bunch 319 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: of videos about his policy positions, they say, including plans 320 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: of protect social security and medicare. Oh again, that's like 321 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: a twenty sixteen throwback. Ban Chinese citizens from owning US 322 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: farmland or telecommunications, en energy tech, or medical supply companies. 323 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: They say, the videos in which the former president speaks 324 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: directly to his camera aimed at resaring supporters. He's focused 325 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: on topics other than his twenty twenty defeat, an issue 326 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: that flopped with midterm voters. But that doesn't mean he 327 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: has let go of his election conspiracies. He still is 328 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: harping on that to quite a significant degree. I think 329 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: what I take and the saga. Clearly his campaign manager 330 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: recognizes that just obsessing over the twenty twenty election is 331 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: not going to be a winning strategy for him in 332 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: the Republican primary or in a general election, and is 333 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: trying to refocus him on these other issues. Does that work? 334 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: Are you able to like actually corral him to talk 335 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: about things when clearly his big obsession is over the election. 336 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: Good luck with that. Trump will always say whatever he wants. 337 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: So our background story, I don't even remember this lady's name, 338 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: but somebody had accused. She was like, some lady went 339 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: on TV and said that Trump had sexually harassed her. 340 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: So I'm about to interview Trump. This happens the day before. 341 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: So before I walk in there, Sarah Sanders is like, Hey, 342 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: don't ask about this, And I was like that's not 343 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: how this works. Like, I'm going to ask about whatever 344 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: I want, and guess what the first thing he wants 345 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: to talk about is. He's like, did you see this 346 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: lady on the TV. It's one of those where, yeah, 347 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: the staff tries to protect him, but if he wants 348 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: to talk about it, he's going to talk about it, 349 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: all right. He cannot. One thing have we learned at 350 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: this point, it's been seven years of the Trump era. 351 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: He will say whatever he wants, and so if he 352 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: believes it, which he does by all accounts, I think 353 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: we should take him at his word. Then we're going 354 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: to hear a lot about it during the campaign. That's 355 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: baked into any support of Trump or whatever. People who 356 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: are like, oh, like the policies but not the tweets, Well, 357 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: I'm sorry they are not. They are completely indistinguishable whenever 358 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: it comes to the man. Correct. That's just how it goes, correct, 359 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: all right. So that's kind of an encapsulation where Trump 360 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: and his campaign is at this point. I guess the 361 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: last thing I will note is that in contrast to 362 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: the very sort of contained launch speech that he gave, 363 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: that was you know, kind of boring and dull and 364 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: just reading off the teleprompter. These speeches were more like 365 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: the you know, Trump ad libbing stem Winders of the past, 366 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: So that was more the energy of these particular speeches, 367 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth. H Okay, let's go ahead and 368 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: get to this interesting exchange between Joe Rogan and Jordan 369 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Peterson on Ronda Santis, who of course is seen as 370 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: Trump's primary rival in terms of winning the nomination. As 371 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: you guys probably know and followed in the news, DeSantis 372 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: has banned the ap African American history course from being 373 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: taught in Florida schools. Obviously incredibly controversial move, and Peterson 374 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: brought it up and took issue with it. Let's take 375 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: a listen to the argument that he makes. Once you 376 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: get to the point where the government has to step 377 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: in and regulate, say what education systems are doing, you're 378 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: already in deep trouble. And because it can't I don't 379 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: see how it can really be done, because I can't 380 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: define critical race theory, you know, I mean more or 381 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: less you can get some sense of the cloud of 382 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: ideas that's associated with it, but trying to draw the lines, 383 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: how are you going to do that? And then of 384 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: course you enable inevitably, no matter what your goal is 385 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: to begin with, you're going to control a certain form 386 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: let's say, of pathological communication misinformation that's just going to 387 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: play into the hands of people who like the censor. 388 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: And that's just as likely on the right as it 389 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: is on the left. So no, it's a real dangerous game. 390 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: And this is the problem, like the term critical race 391 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: theory is it's open to interpretation. Yeah, well, it's often 392 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: even hard, except in retrospect, to understand a lot of 393 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: what these things actually are, you know, because new clouds 394 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: of ideas emerge and they kind of have an animating spirit. 395 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: Then they have a set of associated what would you say, presumptions, 396 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: and you can often only see what that is in retrospect. 397 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: So I was actually fascinated by that. Yeah, what did 398 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: you make of that soccer? I don't know, because you know, 399 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: he's also endorsed Rodd DeSantis. Actually I remember Peterson, Yeah, 400 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: he did in November of twenty twenty two, Pijo Jordan Peterson. 401 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if he endorses the right word. I 402 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: think he was like said something I would like about him. Yeah, 403 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: I was curious just to see it because he also 404 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: kind of brought it up unprompted. For those who haven't listened, 405 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: it was within the first five minutes in the discussion 406 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: of a Twitter Files episode. So I was like, huh, 407 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm curious, actually what you 408 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: think because you did that monologue on the Crowder ben 409 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: Shapiro thing, and like, by the way, some fun stuff 410 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: coming out about Stephen Crowder, but how exactly you said 411 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: it was relating to the GOP primary. And I was like, well, 412 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: maybe he's you know, I mean he said he was 413 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: pro DeSantis. Maybe this is like a political move. I 414 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: know that their strife within the Daily Wire over being 415 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: pro Trump or pro Rond Deascen, but I was just 416 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: fascinated to hear it was Oh wow, that was just 417 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: I was totally unexpected. That's actually layer ofvid that I 418 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: didn't even consider because I wasn't even thinking about the 419 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 1: fact that Peterson is now with the Daily Wire. I mean, 420 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: is his employer. Shapiro is very clearly team Ron de 421 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: Santis has been for a while. I mean, he was 422 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: not an original Trump supporter. He was a Ted Cruz guy, 423 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: and then you know, during the Trump era he was 424 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: relatively supportive of trouble though. You know he would criticize 425 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: a rough time to happen. Well, she's very pro DeSantis, 426 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: so maybe this was like a you know, his attempt 427 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: to carve out his own lane or put out a 428 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: little bit of descent to that move. The fundamental point 429 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: that he makes here, I think is a solid one, 430 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: which is just basically like, listen, you can't run around 431 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: being like I'm the free speech guy and then be 432 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: bannon books and banning entire courses. And the case that 433 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: he makes here of like, you know, once you get 434 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: into okay, this is the sort of vague, amorphous concept 435 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: that people have trouble even defining. But you're saying you're 436 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: banning it, well, that can bleed over into a lot 437 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: of air are I think seems like a reasonable case 438 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: to make, especially to Rogan and a Rogan aligned audience. 439 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: The one thing I will say is, you know, I 440 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: like the idea of okay, we just want to teach 441 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: the facts, and we want education to be neutral and 442 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: stay true to the history whatever that history is, whether 443 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: it's good, bad, or indifferent. The reality is that's not 444 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: really possible because I mean, government is always going to 445 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: have an influence on what is being taught, and so 446 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: there is a real battle of ideas here. Now, I 447 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: would say it's not the appropriate role of like the 448 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: state executive to just top down to side. This is 449 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: what's okay and this is what's not. This is why 450 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: you have local control of schools, and in theory and 451 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: best case scenario, you have a democratic local process where 452 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: parents are involved and they're electing school board members and 453 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: that's how curriculum are being ultimately being developed. But I 454 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: do want to just say that I think it's a 455 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a fantasy to imagine that schools are 456 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: not going to be political whatsoever, because the way you 457 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: teach things, the type of courses that are included, those 458 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: are always going to be somewhat political. I actually I 459 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: completely agree with you, and that's why it's very difficult 460 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: because I also believe in free speech. And you know, 461 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: for example, this ap history exam, we're talking about the reparations. 462 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: This is included in the curriculum, movement for Black Lives, 463 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: Black queer studies, post racial racism and color blindness, intersectionality, 464 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: and activism. I'm sorry, I mean, I'd be furious if 465 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: that was taught to my child in a state environment 466 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: and I'll give people the flip side. So I grew 467 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: up in Texas. I grew up in Colinsation, Texas. I 468 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: remember this vividly. My science teacher was required to teach 469 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: us evolution and somebody asked her a question and they 470 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: were like, hey, I'm not going to call her out, 471 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: although I still probably think I should. One of my 472 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: students students was like, what do you believe? And she 473 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: was like, why I believe what my church something like 474 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: that church teaches me. And I was like, I'm sorry, 475 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: it's like you just cast out as an authority figure 476 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: on evolution and you're a freaking science teacher. And I 477 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: was sitting there as a non Christian being like am 478 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: I losing my mind? And she starts talking about, you know, 479 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: whatever they taught in the Bible or what. Look, that's fine, 480 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: you want to do that at Sunday schoo be my guest, 481 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: even though I think you're absolutely out of your mind, 482 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: but this lady's in an authority figure. And I remember 483 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: thinking in that moment, I'm like, oh wow, I'm like, 484 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, somebody really should like have a say over this, 485 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, And obviously I didn't because I was in 486 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: the cultural minority. But the point that you're making is correct. 487 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: We are going to have to fight about this. In 488 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: a state school, private school, you can teach whatever you want. 489 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: If you want to be at home, you want to 490 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: teach this to your kids. I mean, frankly, I think 491 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: you're crazy, but you be my guest. It's your right 492 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: as an American citizen. The blanket banning of teaching black history, 493 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: though from a top down executive I think strikes most people, 494 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: including Jordan Peterson, who tends to be a very conservative guy, 495 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: as going way too far. I mean, the things you're 496 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: talking about to be taught about, Okay, what is the 497 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: argument for and against reparations in a high school elected course? 498 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: This isn't even something you know, you get to decide 499 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: whether you're going to take this course or not. I 500 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: don't think that's inappropriate whatsoever. So in any case, I 501 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: do think that you know it is. It is a 502 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: difficult balance for Ronda Santis to strike, where he's again 503 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: trying to pain himself as like, oh, I'm against the 504 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: woke mob, and I'm against cancelation, and I'm pro free speech, 505 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: and that's my whole thing. But at the same time, 506 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: you're banning more books than any other state in the country. 507 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: Florida and Texas are the two top states in the 508 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: country in terms of banning books. Back to your Texas 509 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: example and your wholesale just saying no, we're not going 510 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: to teach ap black history, not like, oh, hey, maybe 511 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: we should make some tweets. No, we're just going to 512 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: ban it every sing at every school statewide. I think 513 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: that strikes people as going way too far and does 514 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: smack of you just don't want to teach the ugly 515 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: parts of American history that you know look bad for 516 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: the state. You want the warm and fuzzy version that 517 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: doesn't include like the ugliness of slavery and the Jim 518 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: Crow South and all of those things. So in any case, 519 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that Peterson jumped on that 520 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: particular issue and clearly wanted to bring it up in 521 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: the podcast right away. Yeah, I was. I see that's 522 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: where Look, we don't have to litigate it. But like, 523 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think that post racial racism, color blindness, 524 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: and black queer studies is a goddamn thing to do 525 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: with the American Civil War. I mean, I would love 526 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: to for more people actually have an ad isn't this 527 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: if we're talking about an ap black history course, shouldn't 528 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: those struggles in those movements, Like why shouldn't they be covered? Well, 529 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: who didn't you talk like, are we talking about Harvard 530 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: Universities Color Department, you know, in terms of like how 531 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: we understand color blindness and intersectionality? Are we talking about 532 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: actual black people in Florida? But I think they want 533 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: I think that's a good question because you're saying it 534 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: should be up to Ron DeSantis and however he feels 535 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: about I don't agree with that at all. I'm saying 536 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the curriculum being like, yeah, I think 537 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: this is a problem. That said, I have honestly no 538 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: idea how to deal with it. I mean, I just 539 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: gave my example. Here's the truth. The vast majority of 540 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: people in that class probably did not believe in evolution, 541 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: and probably the principle who ran the school also didn't 542 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: believe in evolution, but they required to teach it for 543 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: a state standard, and at the same time they're casting 544 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: doubt on it. I mean, is it my fault for 545 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: living in the state. I don't know. You know, it's 546 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: like one of those words I do want to listen. 547 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: I in my opinion on this particular issue, abandoning an 548 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: entire like black history course from entire state, I think 549 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: that is clear cut over the line, way too far. 550 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: But I do think that overall, the conversation of like 551 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: what gets included an education curriculum, it's actually very complex 552 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: because on the one hand, as I just said before, 553 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: you have this principle of local control electing school board 554 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: members and ideal situation parents having a lot of input. 555 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: On the other hand, right, you can think if you 556 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: think back into too, like the Jim Crow South, and 557 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: you have a majority of the white citizens who think 558 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: black people are inferior, is that should that be No, 559 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: of course that shouldn't be taught to students. It shouldn't 560 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: just be we have basic rights that should be included 561 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: in the curriculum. So it's just like with all of 562 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: our laws and institutions, it's not enough to just say 563 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: majority rule. You also have to make sure that there 564 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: is you know, a quality and basic rights that we 565 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: recognize in the constitution that are reflected in that curriculm 566 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 1: as well. So it's also not just as simple as saying, like, 567 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: whatever the local community decides like if the local community 568 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: is like, we don't like evolution, I would personally say 569 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm not down. No, I would personally say, like, 570 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: this is the facts, this is science. Kids need to 571 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: be taught this in a public institution. Well that kind 572 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: of happened already, right, yeah, so that's already. Here's another 573 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: fun one kids in the South. If you start hearing 574 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: the War between the States, you need to start reading 575 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: for yourself. Listen, that's a little bit of a flag 576 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: for all that. Having grown up in a rural paw 577 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: of Virginia, there were a lot of highly questionable parts 578 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: of the curriculum, field trips that I went on, etc. 579 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: That you know, we'll we'll just leave it there, all right. 580 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: Let's get to the current president, Joe Biden. So this 581 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: is a new report from our old colleagues over at 582 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: the Hill. Is going to put this up on the screen. 583 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: I just can't help but laugh. Biden gets set to 584 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: lean into the economy in twenty twenty four. One of 585 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: the one of the journalists on this piece is Amy Parnes, 586 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: very well respected, well sourced, and Sylvan Lane is the 587 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: other one on the byline here. So let me read 588 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: you a little bit of this with the State of 589 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: the Union address on February seventh, which, by the way, guys, 590 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: we are going to do livestream coverage of that. Biden 591 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: is likely to give an upbeat tone on the economy 592 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: that's going to roll into a campaign message that Democrats 593 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: expect will highlight strong job numbers and rising wages. A 594 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: senior vice president for the Third Way, like corporate centrist 595 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: think tank, said the economy can and will be a 596 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: winning issue for Biden. When you look at the top 597 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: line stats, they're incredibly impressive. These are massive accomplishments. Guys. 598 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: Reality check. We still have seventy plus percent of the 599 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: country saying we are on the wrong track. You literally 600 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: have the Joe Biden's Treasury secretary warning that we are 601 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: headed into a recession. We have covered the way that 602 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: banks are stockpiling cash because they are so fearful of 603 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: what is happening in the future. You still have the 604 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: Fed hiking interest rates. You have all kinds of weirdness 605 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: and craziness in terms of the housing market, in terms 606 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: of even the alan market. So for them to pretend like, oh, 607 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: the economy's going to be great and this is something 608 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: we can lean into for the election. I think that 609 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: is totally delusional. Yeah, I obviously agree. You know, look, actually, 610 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: what I'm taking away from this with Biden is he 611 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: should run on social security and Trump madness. I mean, 612 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: that's what all the exit pollings that we have about 613 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: Democratic overperformance or Republican underperformance has to do with Trump madness. 614 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: And then Boomer's coming out because they thought that Republicans 615 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: were going to cut their Social Security. I mean it's 616 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: actually you literally have a whole debt ceiling fight going 617 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: on right now. Yeah, they're on their back foot. That's 618 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: what all all I would do is bash them over 619 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: the head. I wish that the politics didn't work this way, 620 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: but unfortunately we really do seem to be in the 621 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: age of the defensive. When you vote Republican, you're voting 622 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: against the Liberals. When you're voting Democrat, you're voting against 623 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: the Republicans in a lot of ways. You know, the 624 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: stop to Steal Madness was enough to keep people down 625 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: or at the very least switch ticket up at the 626 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: very top. For Biden, you just want to make a 627 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: choice between stop Trump madness and me and also all 628 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: protect your socials. Yeah, I mean simple Trump is very 629 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: aggressively trying to inoculate himself against the social surity off 630 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: whenever because it's a vibe. Right, So Biden can say 631 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm anti put deef on the police. What does it 632 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: matter if the institutional left is for it? People are like, well, 633 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't believe you. You know, it's one of those 634 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: things where Trump, by being in the Republican Party, if 635 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: the Republican Party's going to be coded as anti entitlements, 636 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: then you're going to have ultimately get the pushback. That's 637 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: a fair that's a fair point. And also, you know, 638 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: they're moving forward with this insane plan of like, you know, 639 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: thirty percent national sales tax that they have to vote 640 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 1: on in the House because this is one of the 641 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: things that McCarthy gave to the holdout caucus. And you know, 642 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: how's it going to sell to the American people? Like, Hey, 643 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: you know how high your grocery bill is right now? 644 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: You know how much you're paying for eggs and milk 645 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: right now? How about we up that by thirty percent? 646 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Buddy? Good luck with 647 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: that messaging too. I mean Democrats are going to have 648 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: a Field Day with the vote that they're going to 649 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: take on that ultimately. So anyway, that's the Democratic plan 650 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: to try to pretend like the economy is all hunky dory. 651 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: This is something the Obama administration tried as well, and 652 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: it did not work out well for them either. I 653 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: think this is an incredibly, incredibly foolish plan. And at 654 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: the same time, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact 655 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: that Biden, even though the media narrative was after the midterms, 656 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: solidified his position. He's looking stronger than ever and he's 657 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: good to go in terms of, you know, being the 658 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: nominee and probably winning the general election. The numbers in 659 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: some of the early states really tell a different tale. 660 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: So let's kind of put this New Hampshire pull up 661 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: on the screen. So you've got the Republican primary results 662 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 1: up top. You've got Trump with a lead over Ron 663 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: DeSantis thirty seven twenty six. They also then threw Chris 664 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: Nunu and there I don't know why. I don't know 665 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: if he's planning on running or not. Anyway, he gets 666 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: thirteen percent in the state of New Hampshire, the named 667 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley four, Mike Penn's three, and basically Glenn Young 668 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: gin Zyro good luck with that, buddy. And then on 669 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: the Democratic side, though, this is what's interesting is even 670 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: though DeSantis is, you know, he's within eleven points, kind 671 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: of nipping at Trump's heels there, Biden is actually in 672 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: a position in the Democratic primary, then Trump is in 673 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: the Republican primary. You've got Biden at only twenty five 674 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: percent of New Hampshire Democrats saying they want to vote 675 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: for this guy, Pete at sixteen, cell obamat can why 676 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: do you include her fifteen percent, Kamala Harris five, Gavin 677 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: Newsom three undecided thirty six percent. So in any case, 678 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of weakness here. This was the second 679 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: New Hampshire poll to come out that found basically a 680 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: majority of large majority of New Hampshire Democratic base voters 681 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: wanting a different candidate than Joe Biden, and I just 682 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: think it's absolutely remarkable if you dig into this poll. 683 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: Another thing that I found really interesting is they say 684 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: that Biden's best numbers are among low intensity Democrats, those 685 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: who have just voted in one of the past four elections. 686 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: He gets forty percent of those, versus among the four 687 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: for fours they call him regular primary voters. Biden is 688 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: at only twenty seven percent. So they say Biden's advantage 689 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: over Bootage comes almost entirely from older, self identified conservative 690 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: Democrats without college degrees, a fading part of the party's coalition, 691 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: and also apparently with people who don't vote that often, 692 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: which is you know, if you know anything about politics, 693 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: those are not necessarily the people that you want to 694 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: be the courier base. Oh, of course, I mean the 695 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: Democratic Party primary base overwhelmingly at least increasingly now becoming 696 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: a lot more college educated, and increasingly the overall vote 697 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: share as a whole. So that's a terrible place to be. 698 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: At the same time, that's exactly what you would want 699 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: in a general election at at some point, I don't 700 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: think it matters just because Bootajet is not going to 701 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: it's not running, right, He's not going to run, So 702 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter. That said, whenever it shows up, 703 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: what can that tell us, which is high turnout? Save 704 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's ass. In the twenty twenty election, remember this, guys, 705 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: we had one of the highest turnout elections in modern history. 706 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: Like I think Trump, you know, that's one of the 707 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: reasons Trump is always like, oh, one to ten million 708 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: more votes. It's like, yeah, well you also got fifteen 709 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: million people on the other side. But anyway, that's aside. 710 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: The point is is that millions more people voted in 711 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: twenty then year prior. I actually see no reason why 712 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: that would go down. We just had a midterm with 713 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: the highest record midterm turnout in decades. I think it 714 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: was like two thousand and two or something like that. 715 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: It came similar to in terms of the strife that 716 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: we're feeling. I don't think anybody can doubt that twenty 717 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: twenty four won't be, you know, at least a very 718 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: emotive rematch between the two or whomever does ultimately become 719 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: the GOP nominee. So I just see a scenario where 720 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: your ability to motivate people to come out for you 721 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: is so vitally important and for Biden. You know, if 722 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: I'm Biden, you better bring it on your hands, knees 723 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: and pray for Trump. That's the only thing that's going 724 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: to save you. Otherwise, remember this, Republicans won the national 725 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: popular vote by six points in the midterm elections. Your 726 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: toast without that. Let me tell you, guys, don't under 727 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: estimate trum Yeah, you know, and listen, I felt for 728 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: it to Okay, listen, do it is gonna get indicted, 729 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: Like the document thing seems like an open and shut case. 730 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: You might get indicted also, and this might still happen 731 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: for the some of the January sixth stuff, like, surely 732 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: this is not gonna wear well to American public. You 733 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: just had this massive repudiation of him in the midterms 734 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: as clear as day. But again in this poll, according 735 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: to this poll, and the polls can be wrong. We 736 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: all know that Biden and Trump in a statistical tie 737 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: for a general election head to head, and obviously New 738 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: Hampshire's state that you know, Biden won previously democratic quite 739 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: well in terms of the interm elections. And you're tied 740 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: with this dude right now at this point when he's 741 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: kind of at his like low ebb of popularity in 742 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: terms of you know, Donald Trump anyway, So he's got 743 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: an electability issue, he's got a lot of weakness with 744 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: his own base. He's got a lot of people who 745 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: are understandably like, bro, you're going to be eighty six 746 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: by the time you finish this term. Are you really 747 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: up for this? You really think you can handle this 748 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: job for another four years, so they got some big 749 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: problems on their hands bottom line in eighty six. Wow. Okay, 750 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: let's move on to Ukraine. This is an important discussion. 751 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. The Pentagon 752 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: a push to send F sixteen's to Ukraine is picking 753 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: up steam. So, for those of you are familiar with 754 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: fight Club, I've taken to a new phrase. On a 755 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: long enough timeline, Ukraine is going to get anything that happens. 756 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: First Patriot missiles were out, then they're in. Then tanks 757 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: were out. Now tanks are in F sixteen's. And the 758 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: no fly zone that was something that was out. Maybe 759 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: it's back in. This is only the first step to 760 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: a no fly zone, right, So, currently there is a 761 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: major contingent of military officials pushing the Pentagon to approve 762 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: F sixteen fighter jets to Ukraine to help the country 763 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: defend itself from Russian missile and drone attacks. Wouldn't you 764 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: look at that? Ukraine has kept American made F sixteens 765 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: at the very top of its wish list from the 766 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: very beginning. However, Washington and Kiev have viewed artillery, armor, 767 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: and ground based air defense as more urgent needs as 768 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine protects a civilian infrastructure, and as they are about 769 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: to launch their new offensive, they view their ability to 770 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: at least battle for air supremacy as a vital part 771 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: of not only the Spring offensive, but possibly in the future. Now, 772 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: the reason why these fighter jets were not really under 773 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: consideration at all is, well, everybody, what's the range on 774 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: an F sixteen more than Ukraine. I can tell you that, 775 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: what are they going to use it for? Well, we 776 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: don't really know. They may tell us one thing, and sure, 777 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: they're probably very useful in their initial Spring offensive to 778 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: take back to territory in the initially invaded part of Ukraine. 779 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: But what about Crimea and what about Russia. Let's say 780 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: that one of the things that you do when you're 781 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: at war is you destroyer an enemy's ability to try 782 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: and wage war upon you. So would then we not 783 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: open up the ability to have F sixteens strike inside 784 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: of Russian territory if they're provided by the United States. 785 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: Look at the one hand, and this is what the 786 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: Ukraine people always tell me, Well, it's not unprecedented in 787 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: the history of the Cold War not to provide F 788 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: sixteens to our allies in the fight. On the other 789 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: Let's think back to Afghanistan, right. One of the reasons 790 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: that we could only give the Mujahadin missiles that were 791 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: in storage or ammunition, or sometimes you couldn't even give 792 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: them a rifle with the scope on it was because 793 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: we had very strict regulations at that time around what 794 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: exactly surplus equipment and not not necessarily US provided equipment 795 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: was allowable in the conflict, even if the Soviets knew 796 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: that we were doing it. Lines were very well considered 797 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: in the Reagan even one of the most hawkish administrations 798 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: at that time. Now this is blowing just way and 799 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: way past that White House right now says quote, they 800 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: are considering it very carefully well with Kiev and its allies. 801 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: What does that even mean. Also, don't forget this, it's 802 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: not just US as F sixteen's. We could allow another 803 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: country who we sold them to to sell it to you, 804 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: or even just give it to Ukraine, But if they're 805 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: a NATO we bear the brunt of it regardless. I 806 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen. Why because with Germany 807 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: they won't even give them tanks without insisting that we 808 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: give them tanks because they want US and our nuclear 809 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: security umbrella to underwrite this entire thing. Yeah, they don't 810 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: want to have their US, don't They want us to 811 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: be taking the brunt of the blame here right. Listen, 812 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: I've tried to be really, like very understanding to the 813 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: case that Pentagon Biden administration are making here. This is 814 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: insane and the logic always go no matter what happens 815 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: on the ground, no matter what the actual conditions are, 816 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: whether Ukraine is winning or losing, or Russia is falling 817 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: apart or doing better whatever, it always seems to justify 818 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: more escalation. And so this is the key point. There's 819 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: a couple key points to take away here. Number one, 820 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: we are continue to court World War three. I mean, 821 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: don't forget that we are in a proxy war with 822 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: another nuclear armed superpower. And this idea of like, well, 823 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: they haven't blown up the world yet, so I guess 824 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: we can do it whatever we want is pure insanity. 825 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: We're creating a situation where not only are there no 826 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: off ramps for Ukraine and Russia to bring this war 827 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: to an end, but there are no off ramps for 828 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: us to get out of this situation. So it really 829 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 1: is looking more and war like in Afghanistan type situation 830 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: where you know, remember the original idea of going into Afghanistan. Okay, 831 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: we're going to get the bad guys and then we'll 832 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: be out what ended up happening. I mean, we are 833 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: creating that same sort of logic and inability to back 834 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: out on the ground in Ukraine as we did there 835 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: as well. Talking to our friend Bronco marcatic and about 836 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: all of this, and he brought up a good point. 837 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: I'm just going to read you what he said to me. 838 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 1: He said, listen, there's two paradoxes of Western discourse on 839 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: this war. Number one, if Putin and Moscow threaten escalation 840 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: but don't act on the threats, the US should get 841 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: more aggressive because they're bluffing and we'll never do so. 842 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: If Russia does escalate, then they're dangerous madmen in the 843 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: US should get even more aggressive because they can't be 844 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: at peace, so all rosary lead to escalation. And then 845 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: the second one is when Ukraine is on the back foot, 846 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: the US must escalate and hold off onto diplomacy until 847 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: Ukraine is in a strong negotiating position. When it gets 848 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: to that position, the US must escalate and hold off 849 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: on diplomacy because now Ukraine can win until it can't, 850 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: then we go back to the start of the loops. 851 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: So if Ukraine is not doing well, it's okay, we 852 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: got to send them the tanks. We've got to do 853 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: this and that so we can give them a stronger 854 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: negotiating position, and then if they do better, then it's oh, 855 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: if they can win, we're going to make them win. 856 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: Can negotiate now, So again, all roads lead to escalation, 857 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: and you are one hundred percent right, Saga. Over long 858 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: enough time horizon, they have gotten everything they want. And 859 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: the logic here of okay, we just agreed to the tanks. 860 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: It's not okay, good, We're good, like thank you. It 861 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: just justifies now we're going to push the envelope even 862 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: more in terms of what we're going to ask for, 863 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 1: because if you can justify tanks, then hey, why are 864 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: you drawing the line now at F sixteen's there's no 865 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 1: logic that would allow you to draw the line between 866 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: those two offensive capabilities. And let's put this up there 867 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: on the screen. Former Admiral James Travitis. He was also 868 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff putting 869 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: it out a tweet saying this is the right thing 870 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: to do. Tanks will be helpful, better aircraft will be decisive. Well, 871 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, it certainly could be. It could be decisive, 872 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: certainly in a lot of directions. I always try and 873 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: look back to the history. So when you think about 874 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: World War One, what's one of the one things that 875 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: we all think about gas? Right? Well, the war lasted 876 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: over nine months before the first gas attack ever happened. 877 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: So think about the longevity of the amount of people 878 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: and suffering in the war that was happening before that. 879 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: Even we're not even barely one year into this conflict. 880 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: The first year of the First World War, I could 881 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: have made a very good case for why the Central 882 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: Powers were going to win and why the United States 883 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: would never enter and the things would never end up 884 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: the way that we thought they would. Think about World 885 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: War Two. If it's one year into the great film 886 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: right now Narvik on Netflix, Fantastic Film, we're talking about 887 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: the Nazi invasion Norway in the very first Hitler defeat. 888 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: I one year into World War Two, appeasements looking pretty good. 889 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: You're like, hey, these people rolled over France, they took 890 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: over Norway, it's time to Negotia. There were people in 891 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: the British cabinet making the point that I am making 892 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: right now. They said, no, we're going to stand up 893 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: against the Nazi colossus and hope that the United States 894 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,319 Speaker 1: eventually gets into this war. And by nineteen forty three, OK, 895 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: that ends up becoming very clear. But there was a 896 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: very good case to making forty two that it wasn't 897 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: going to happen the point, and we had no idea 898 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: where this thing is going to go, and it could 899 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: end up as a freaking disaster. Yeah, right, Russia, right now. 900 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: Peter Zihon made a great point all the Joe Rogan 901 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: experience where he said, look, the history of all Russian conflict, 902 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: you can go all the way back to Napoleon, even 903 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: further if you want to, the first year it's a 904 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: shit show. I'm quoting Peter directly. And then what do 905 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: they do. They throw bodies at the problem and sacrifice 906 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: proportionally far more of GDP and life than they ever 907 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: actually needed to, but they end up winning. Am I 908 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: saying that's going to happen here? No, I have no idea, 909 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: but we could look back at that this call for 910 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: the current conscription that might happen. Clearly nobody in the 911 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: Kremlin is doing a damn thing to putin or there's 912 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: no coup or anything. Well, we can at least understand 913 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: from that that they're not going to stop. And if 914 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: they're not going to stop, then what is the limiting principle? 915 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: And so on a long enough timeline in that ten 916 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: year period, can you confidently say that a call for 917 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: a no fly zone won't happen? I cannot say that 918 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 1: here given the current administration. And that's the point that 919 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 1: I think we should always try to hammer home. Yeah, 920 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. Let's go to the second 921 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: part here, which is I said the current administration and 922 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,240 Speaker 1: that timeline. However, one of the people who is running 923 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: for president right now, possibly the next president of the 924 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: United States, is Donald Trump. And Trump is making very 925 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: sustained calls for a negotiated peace in Ukraine. Let's put 926 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: this up there on the screen quote. If I were president, 927 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: the rush Ukraine would war would never have happened. But 928 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: even now, if President I would be able to negotiate 929 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: an end to this horrible and rapidly escalating war within 930 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Such a tragic waste of human life 931 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: interesting and could be a very politically popular message. Let's 932 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: say two years later, let's say another one hundred billion later, 933 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: maybe a couple f sixteen's later. And Trump was speaking 934 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: to this on his campaign stop in South Carolina. And 935 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: I think this is a very potent message. Right now. 936 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Joe Biden has brought us to 937 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,760 Speaker 1: the brink of World War three, the brink of World 938 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: War three, just because anybody doesn't know it. As president, 939 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: I will bring back peace through strength. Peace through strength 940 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: would have never happened if I was president. There would 941 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: not have been a war with Russia in Ukraine, zero 942 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: Chain said, Lindsay would be happy with that. That's better 943 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: than any alternative, wouldn't It happened. And I will say 944 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: this even now, despite tremendous loss of lives and destruction 945 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: of much of that country, I would have a peace 946 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,399 Speaker 1: deal negotiated within twenty four hours. Peace deal within twenty 947 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,720 Speaker 1: four hours. That is something which I really believe. Crystol 948 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 1: could have a significant potency also in the general election, 949 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: or sorry, also in the primary, but really in the 950 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: general election, where a lot of polling and you've been 951 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 1: taking a lot of look at this is what people 952 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: are very split right now on support for Ukraine. The 953 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: numbers have moved significantly in terms of how the public 954 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: feels about continuing Ukraine support. There's an NBC News poll 955 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: that just came out. It's kind of funny because they 956 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: bury this at the very end of the write up 957 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: and did not highlight it at all. Fifty to fifty 958 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: split on whether we should send any more aid to 959 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: Ukraine within the Republican base, that is, it is not 960 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. Republican voters are very much on the 961 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: side of not sending any more Ukraine aid, and those 962 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: numbers keep shifting in that direction. So again this listen. 963 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: Trump is full of shit on any number of things. 964 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: He's been all over the map on Ukraine. He can't 965 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: remember what was he like saying you should them with 966 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: you Chinese right and put Chinese. So he's alternated between 967 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: taking like insanely hawkish, psychopathic views and then now he 968 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: clearly sees this as a political lane to exploit, and 969 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,479 Speaker 1: I think he is absolutely correct about it. He also 970 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: put this down on True Social last week when they 971 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: announced that they were going to send these Abrams tanks. 972 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 1: He says, first come the tanks, then come the nukes. 973 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: Get this crazy war ended? Now? So easy to do? 974 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean classic Trump, like, oh it's no problem. No 975 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: one is saying this would be easy to end. But 976 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 1: of course, in his mind, he's always always there to 977 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: make the deal. So I do think this will be 978 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: very potent in the Republican primary. I think it's a 979 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: big sleeper issue that could end up being what gets 980 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: him back in the White House. But with regards to 981 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: the primary, he has already they've already telegraphed one of 982 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: the cases they want to make against Ron DeSantis is 983 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: that he was sort of a like classically hawkish John 984 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: McCain style Republican when he was in the House of Representatives, 985 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: which I think there is some, you know, some sort 986 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: of record there in voting history that would indicate that 987 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: is an accurate portrayal of how he was positioning himself 988 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,280 Speaker 1: at that time. So this could end up being incredibly 989 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: potent in terms of the Republican primary. And DeSantis has 990 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: said more sort of traditional like just we should be 991 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: supporting Ukraine and very much position himself on the side 992 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: of more Ah Ukraine. Within the Republican divide, on that issue, 993 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: So it could be potent in the primary. And I 994 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 1: think you're right, Zager, this could be this could end 995 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: up being an extremely potent sleeper issue for the general 996 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: election right now. You know, yes, the public is divided 997 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty on writers saying a to Ukraine. It's 998 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: also not anybody's very few people's top priority. Yeah, in 999 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: terms of how the thing is their issue. You know, 1000 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: they're worried about the economy and classic things that people 1001 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: concern about with regard to their pocketbook. But you never 1002 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: know when these sorts of things can really become The 1003 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: situation could become to stabilized, we could get pulled more 1004 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: directly into this thing, or you could just have continued 1005 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 1: public erosion of support for the endless direction that we're 1006 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: going in with right now with regards to Ukraine. So 1007 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: keep a close eye on this one, because I do 1008 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: think this is some Trump twenty sixteen instinctive, finding a 1009 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: political fissure to exploit saying the thing that no one 1010 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: else is really saying. But a lot of the American 1011 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: public are actually thinking, Oh absolutely, I think it will 1012 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: be very very powerful. Let's move on to Iran now, 1013 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 1: and let's talk about what happened over there. So there 1014 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: appears to have been a strike. I'll let you decide, 1015 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: and maybe we'll tell you about who exactly that strike 1016 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: was after we show you the video that happened on 1017 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: an AMMO depot and on facilities that were manufacturing Kama 1018 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: Kazi drones inside of Iran. Many of these drones currently 1019 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: have been shipped over to Russia who have been using 1020 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: them on Ukrainian energy infrastructure. So let's play some of 1021 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 1: the video here. I'm going to talk a little bit 1022 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: over it. You can see somebody who is filming and 1023 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: then a massive boom and a flash that happened. We 1024 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: don't have any information right now in terms of the 1025 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: exact munition that hit that facility, but there were several 1026 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: strikes that happened all across Iran on these facilities. And 1027 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,280 Speaker 1: let's put this up there on the screen. They Iran 1028 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: is saying that this is a drone attack that targeted 1029 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: its defense facility, and that bomb carrying drones targeted the 1030 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: Iranian defense factory in the Central City overnight, causing some 1031 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: damage at the plant. Amid heightened regional international tensions. Much 1032 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,959 Speaker 1: of this, again is coming after the provision of these 1033 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: drones and of military equipment to Russia, which has spawned 1034 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 1: a lot of discussion here in washing about how we 1035 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: have to get much tougher on Iran because now they're 1036 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,560 Speaker 1: in the fight against Ukraine. Well, it turns out probably 1037 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: not a surprise. Let's put this up there on the screen, 1038 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: that the Israeli government appears to be the one that 1039 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: conducted the strike, likely at the behest of the United States, 1040 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: Israeli an American officials discussing new ways to combat Iranian operations. 1041 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,280 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal has no qualms here, even though Israel 1042 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: is not taking credit for the strike, there directly attributing 1043 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 1: it to them, saying Israel strikes Aroan amid international push 1044 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: to contain Tehran. This was a drone strike targeting the 1045 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: defense compound, as quote, the US and Israel look for 1046 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: new ways to contain Tehran's nuclear and military ambitions. I 1047 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: also don't think it's a coincidence that Bib just happens 1048 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 1: to be back in the government and something like this happens. 1049 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: And also he's got coal where Bib is the centrisk 1050 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: guy right now in Israel in terms of who is 1051 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: ruling Israel. So just so everybody knows about that and 1052 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 1: who exactly he's calling for more posturing on Iran. It 1053 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: is probably the most hawkish far right government in Israeli history. 1054 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean he is in terms of who he brought 1055 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: into his cabinet and positions of power. I mean, these 1056 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: are some really fringe characters with views that were outside 1057 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: of the mainstream until very very recently. He formed a 1058 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: coalition with these extraordinarily hardline far right parties. So yeah, 1059 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: there's no surprise, not an accident that Phoebe's back in charge. 1060 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: And this is the kind of thing you get. Also, 1061 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 1: just so everybody knows, maybe this has something to do 1062 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 1: with it or not. The CIA director William Burms actually 1063 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: made an unnounced tripped Israel just last week to discuss 1064 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,480 Speaker 1: Iran and other regional issues. A week later, I'm sure, 1065 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,760 Speaker 1: drones strike by Israel again not even being questioned really 1066 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: about what's happening here. And just last week actually, the 1067 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: US and Israel carried out their largest ever joint military 1068 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 1: exercise from both countries for air defense systems, refueling jetplanes, 1069 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: and others in the potential for a military conflict with Iran. Now, 1070 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: hopefully this does not escalate into anything but I think 1071 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: it is very clear that this is also Bibi is 1072 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: in a tough spot. Israel wants good relations with Russia. 1073 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: I should just know it is the only Western nation 1074 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: in the entire world which has not undergone significant criticism 1075 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: for saying no to ninety eight percent of requests to Ukraine, 1076 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: including refusing to provide iron dome, including refusing ammunition missiles. 1077 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 1: So I think bib probably, first of all, is never 1078 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 1: a bad thing for Israeli politics to strike Iran, all right, 1079 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,880 Speaker 1: unless you get into a broader thing, but that's not 1080 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 1: where at right now. So probably helps him, helps his coalition, 1081 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: helps his government, something he personally believes in Number two, 1082 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 1: this is how you get the West off your back. 1083 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: You're like, hey, I'll do you a favor. I'll strike 1084 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 1: the drone facility and I'll go after Russia. It's like 1085 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,839 Speaker 1: a two birds with one stone. While he's refusing to 1086 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: actually provide a lot of military aid to Ukraine. People 1087 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,320 Speaker 1: don't know this, but you know a lot of Russians 1088 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,240 Speaker 1: actually live in Israel, people who left during the Soviet. 1089 00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 1: I think he's like one to eighth or something of 1090 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 1: the population. How they feel towards Russia is much more 1091 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 1: complicated than basically any other nation. And BB he's had 1092 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: very friendly relations with Putin and you know, it was 1093 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: like there were like posters up of him and Trump 1094 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,359 Speaker 1: and Putin together, and so, I mean this is part 1095 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,160 Speaker 1: of his sort of political identity, and he has even 1096 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,160 Speaker 1: since the last government, he has struck a war sort 1097 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: of hands off approach towards the Russia Ukraine war. So yeah, 1098 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: this is a good way for him to both signal 1099 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,719 Speaker 1: for his domestic base and posture in the hawkish way 1100 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: that he wants to with an increasingly hawkish Israeli domestic populace, 1101 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,040 Speaker 1: but also pretend like with the US, like he's on 1102 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: our side in terms of the Russia Ukraine conflict. It 1103 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 1: was put well by one expert here quoted it at 1104 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,919 Speaker 1: a Washington based think tank critical of Iran. They said, 1105 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,240 Speaker 1: this is a smart trifactor where Israel can hurt Iran, 1106 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,920 Speaker 1: help Ukraine, not risk its strategic interest in Syria, or 1107 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: run the risk of the diversion of its sensitive military 1108 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: technology of Russia and into Iran. I just have to 1109 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: point out the hypocrisy here when and you know, we're 1110 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: risking World War three to back Ukraine over the principle 1111 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: of territorial sovereignty. That's the principle that's at stake in 1112 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,959 Speaker 1: Ukraine that we are willing to risk World War three over. 1113 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 1: And then our you know, buddies in Israel, probably at 1114 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: our behest, are striking Iranian territory and for some reason 1115 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 1: that's that's not a violation of territory. That's all fine 1116 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: and good. So, I mean, there is just a blatant 1117 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,239 Speaker 1: hypocrisy here in terms of the way we approached these 1118 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 1: supposedly ironclad international rules and norms. Yeah, the last thing 1119 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: that this country needs is a war in another war 1120 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,799 Speaker 1: in Italy and controversial statement. And the final piece to 1121 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,920 Speaker 1: put on this is, of course the Obama administration. They 1122 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 1: struck the nuclear deal with Iran, which seemed to be 1123 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: working pretty well. Trump back sound of it. Biden could 1124 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,800 Speaker 1: have gotten back in as treat to Parsi many times 1125 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 1: came on the show and talked about the window of 1126 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,400 Speaker 1: opportunity was right at the beginning of the Biden administration. 1127 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 1: They could have just gotten back in. They didn't do that, 1128 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: and now that deal is basically off the table, and 1129 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 1: instead we have actions with our close allies in Israel. 1130 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,480 Speaker 1: You know, once again putting war on the table and 1131 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 1: risking war with yet another country around the world. So 1132 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,320 Speaker 1: it really is a dramatic failure and failing of the 1133 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: Biden administration here ultimately and how they've handled the situation absolutely. 1134 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's get to what is I don't 1135 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 1: even know what to say about this story and this 1136 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,120 Speaker 1: happening in American life. So guys probably followed a bit 1137 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: of this. On Friday, the Memphis Police Department released horrifying 1138 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: video of a twenty nine year old black man, Tyree Nichols, 1139 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: being savagely beaten by five police officers. We are going 1140 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,440 Speaker 1: to show you a little bit of the footage. I 1141 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: just want to give you some of the backstory first. 1142 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 1: So Tyree was this is what we know. Tyree was 1143 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: on his way home from actually a local park. He 1144 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,239 Speaker 1: was a FedEx worker there in Memphis. He worked with 1145 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 1: his stepdad at that facility. He lived with his mom 1146 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 1: and a stepdad. On his way home from a park 1147 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,640 Speaker 1: where he was probably indulging his interest in photography, and 1148 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 1: he gets pulled over. Now, the officers initially said this 1149 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: was for reckless driving, no sign from any camera, and 1150 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: no indication that there was actually any reckless driving going on. 1151 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,759 Speaker 1: And this was a band of five black officers who 1152 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,359 Speaker 1: are part of this Scorpion Unit so called, which was 1153 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,320 Speaker 1: sort of aggressively supposed to be tackling the street crime 1154 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,640 Speaker 1: in one of the more tough neighborhoods in Memphis. So 1155 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,400 Speaker 1: they pull him over, they pull him out of the car, 1156 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,279 Speaker 1: they start beating him. He tries to run. He's very 1157 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 1: close to home, he's like one hundred yards from home, 1158 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: and they catch him. And the savage beating that they 1159 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,359 Speaker 1: inflict on this man that ultimately three days later ends 1160 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:58,080 Speaker 1: up costing his life, it's just beyond words and beyond description. 1161 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,759 Speaker 1: I mean, they propped this man up so that they 1162 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: could take more shots at him, five men on one 1163 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:12,239 Speaker 1: after he is shown in the video collapsed, he's mumbling. Eventually, 1164 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, sixteen minutes later, an ambulance paramedics arrive on 1165 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,480 Speaker 1: the scene. They don't take any action for a number 1166 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: of additional minutes, even as this man is clearly in 1167 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 1: a devastating state. And as I said previously, you know, 1168 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,400 Speaker 1: there's no indication he did anything wrong here, and these 1169 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: five men literally end up beating him to death. Now, 1170 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,960 Speaker 1: the officers were ultimately there was an immediate investigation. The 1171 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 1: officers were arrested. They've been charged with kidnapping. They've also 1172 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: been charged with second degree murder and is a part 1173 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: of an attempt at accountability, attempt at showing the public 1174 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: exactly what happened here so that there wasn't sort of 1175 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,960 Speaker 1: like rumors and misinformation flying around. They released an hour 1176 00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 1: of this horrifying, gut wrenching video. So I want to 1177 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: show you a little piece of this before I put 1178 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 1: it up on the screen. Guys, if you you know, 1179 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 1: just it's it's horrible. It's horrible to watch. So make 1180 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 1: a decision whether you want to see this or not. 1181 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 1: But I do want to show you a piece, so 1182 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: control them. Let's go ahead and put this up on 1183 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,240 Speaker 1: the screen. You know, this is after they you know, 1184 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: they have him here. They're holding him up and taking 1185 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 1: shots at him repeatedly again, five men punching him in 1186 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: the head, holding him up so that they can brutalize 1187 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,920 Speaker 1: him further. If you listen to the audio, they're giving 1188 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,400 Speaker 1: him all of these contradictory commands, you know, put your 1189 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,840 Speaker 1: hands up, well, you're they're holding his hands behind his back, 1190 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: all of these things, and they just continue to kick him, 1191 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,880 Speaker 1: beat him, punch him, et cetera. And you know again 1192 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 1: this this video is an hour long, so watch the 1193 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,520 Speaker 1: footage if if you feel like that's the right thing 1194 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,200 Speaker 1: for you to do. The other piece of there's a 1195 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,280 Speaker 1: lot actually to say about this. Let me put this 1196 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 1: Washington Post piece up on the screen so you can 1197 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:09,640 Speaker 1: see the distance between how the cops originally described this 1198 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: brutal completely uncalled, I mean, no justification for this attack 1199 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: and savage beating. Here's how they first described it in 1200 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:26,280 Speaker 1: their reports. They said that a confrontation occurred following a 1201 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,000 Speaker 1: traffic stop. They said he fled on foot and then 1202 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 1: quote another confrontation occurred of his fatal injuries. They said 1203 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,840 Speaker 1: that he complained of having shortness of breath, and then 1204 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:45,080 Speaker 1: the sub suspect was transported to Saint Francis Hospital in 1205 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,600 Speaker 1: critical condition. Of course, the video footage paints a very 1206 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,439 Speaker 1: different story of them pepper spraying him, punching and kicking him, 1207 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: and rather than simply complaining of shortness of breath he 1208 00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: could barely sit up after the beating, they actually propped 1209 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: him up up against a police car, where he repeatedly 1210 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,200 Speaker 1: slumped over. He can be heard groaning, it is not 1211 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,240 Speaker 1: heard forming any words. He twists and rides against the 1212 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,200 Speaker 1: police car, at times falling over on his side as 1213 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 1: he waits twenty two minutes for an ambulance, and at 1214 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 1: times is calling for his mother. So Blaytant lies in 1215 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 1: the report of the police chief to her credit and 1216 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: immediately thought that this report was strange and launched an investigation. 1217 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,960 Speaker 1: But you know, Sager, the part of this that I 1218 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,200 Speaker 1: think is really difficult is so many of the reforms 1219 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,080 Speaker 1: that advocates have called for were actually instituted. I mean, 1220 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,800 Speaker 1: you have body cameras, they didn't care. You had a 1221 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,800 Speaker 1: female black police chief. You have a police I mean 1222 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: all five of these men black. You have a police 1223 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: force that actually the percentage of black officers on the 1224 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 1: force roughly matches the percentage of black citizens in the 1225 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,480 Speaker 1: city of Memphis. And you know, none of these reforms 1226 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 1: which have been called for in the past by more incrementalists, 1227 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 1: none of them seem to make a difference. I mean, 1228 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: with the body camera, there's even some evidence that police 1229 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,560 Speaker 1: were sort of using the body camera. They were narrating 1230 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 1: things on the body camera footage, knowing that they were 1231 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,680 Speaker 1: almost like playing for an audience, like they said, oh, 1232 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,880 Speaker 1: we grab reached for my gun, even though that's not 1233 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: on the video, to again try to use the body 1234 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,640 Speaker 1: camera footage to sort of shape their narrative of what 1235 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,240 Speaker 1: ultimately happened. So it's just devastating and there's just no 1236 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 1: other words for it. U's horrific, tach. I mean, even 1237 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: watching it's like gut wrenching over the video. Had watched 1238 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,880 Speaker 1: this and the Paul Pelosi thing, and both of them 1239 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,520 Speaker 1: just make you feel like completely sick. I almost wonder 1240 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: maybe this will come out. There's some seems something almost 1241 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,400 Speaker 1: personal about this, right, I mean, I didn't know. I'm like, 1242 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,400 Speaker 1: what would ever compel like five grown men to like 1243 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 1: literally beat someone within an inch of their life for 1244 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,280 Speaker 1: literally no reason. I mean one thing, you could say, 1245 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,880 Speaker 1: let's go and put this next piece up on the screen, 1246 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,200 Speaker 1: because I think this is relevant. New York Times Memphis 1247 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,200 Speaker 1: police disband that unit, so called Scorpion Unit, whose officers 1248 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,480 Speaker 1: were charged in Tyree Nichols's death. Mister Nichols family and 1249 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,760 Speaker 1: activists had demanded the scuttling of that group, the Scorpion Unit, 1250 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 1: which patrolled high crime areas of the city, and you know, 1251 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 1: there had been a lot of complaints about this unit before, 1252 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 1: and I don't think it's personal. I think it has 1253 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,160 Speaker 1: to do with when I mean, they basically turned into 1254 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:27,080 Speaker 1: a roving band of terrorizing thugs with a lot of 1255 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 1: power and no accountability. And you know, so they felt 1256 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,200 Speaker 1: this is this is the mentality that was created within 1257 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,240 Speaker 1: this force. They said that, you know, this was a 1258 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,160 Speaker 1: pattern in practice, There was a this was not the 1259 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 1: first time that there were incidents similar to this reported. 1260 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 1: The reality is, if Tyree Nichols had not died, we 1261 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 1: never would have heard about this incident. So God knows 1262 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,680 Speaker 1: what was going on with this Scorpion unit before Tyree 1263 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,880 Speaker 1: Nichols was ultimately killed. So even though obviously like these 1264 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,040 Speaker 1: five individuals are wholly responsible, they're accountable, but then you 1265 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: had two other guys show up that didn't really do anything. 1266 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,720 Speaker 1: You have the paramedics come, they don't administer AID, Like, 1267 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? How is there not 1268 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,640 Speaker 1: one person who says who doesn't participate or who says, hey, 1269 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 1: that's enough, let's stop. It shows you this was a 1270 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,600 Speaker 1: The structure of power they created here wholly corrupted the 1271 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,440 Speaker 1: people that were ultimately evolved. I mean, that's that's the 1272 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,160 Speaker 1: only thing that I can really come away with here. 1273 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,080 Speaker 1: And then in terms of like where you go from 1274 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,720 Speaker 1: here and what you advocate for, I don't even know, because, 1275 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 1: like I said, some of the basic things they seem 1276 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,560 Speaker 1: to have completely failed. There is no evidence that having 1277 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,880 Speaker 1: a police force that is demographically representative of the community 1278 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: that it makes for good police and there's no evidence 1279 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,040 Speaker 1: that it actually changes the way and the level of 1280 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,440 Speaker 1: brutality involved in policing. I have no idea what the 1281 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,200 Speaker 1: answer is, Like you said, I've thought about it a 1282 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,160 Speaker 1: lot too. Last couple of years have changed a lot 1283 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 1: of my thinking, honestly a lot. And I know this 1284 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,280 Speaker 1: might not satisfy a lot of people, but like I 1285 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 1: take a lot of this as like a personal thing. 1286 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Also in terms of at this point, like these the 1287 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,000 Speaker 1: politics around this are toxic. Clearly the culture around here 1288 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,160 Speaker 1: is toxic. Yeah, I don't really know what to tell people, 1289 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,080 Speaker 1: unless like, if you're in an interaction with the law enforcement, infistile, 1290 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: use the hell out of this thing and just film 1291 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,439 Speaker 1: the entire thing, because you know, I mean, they don't care. 1292 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think you're right. I 1293 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,400 Speaker 1: think something was going on here. I really want to 1294 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,880 Speaker 1: know what the actual investment. If it was cultural, that 1295 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: is insane, and if that's what was happening, like on 1296 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,200 Speaker 1: a broader level, and I think clearly obviously the unit 1297 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,600 Speaker 1: of disbanded and now the eyes of the world are 1298 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,480 Speaker 1: on this. It also should be a lesson to everybody 1299 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 1: out there, like, hey, if you do this, you know, 1300 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,360 Speaker 1: at least in the age of HD video like you're 1301 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,560 Speaker 1: going to jail the Saint nineteen ninety one where some 1302 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,240 Speaker 1: guy happens to have a camquarder and films the Rodney 1303 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,920 Speaker 1: King thing, it's like you are constantly I don't think 1304 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,520 Speaker 1: that's true though, because again, if Tyrene Nichols didn't die, 1305 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,000 Speaker 1: never would have known about. It would have been just 1306 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,000 Speaker 1: another instance swept on the like nobody would have ever known. 1307 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,920 Speaker 1: And so actually, when I looked at this, the idea 1308 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,920 Speaker 1: that this is just like a few bad apples, I 1309 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,480 Speaker 1: don't I don't see how you can have five people 1310 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,040 Speaker 1: there and then the other people who respond and then 1311 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,440 Speaker 1: the paramatics as well. To me, while of course these 1312 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,400 Speaker 1: men deserve what they get in terms of their punishment, 1313 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, charged with murder, charge with kidnapping, all of 1314 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,720 Speaker 1: these like they deserve to have the book thrown at 1315 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,360 Speaker 1: them and go to prison for the rest of their lives. 1316 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,760 Speaker 1: In my opinion, I don't see how you can look 1317 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 1: at that and say a few bad apples, because it 1318 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,520 Speaker 1: was everybody involved in the interaction, and again there were 1319 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,520 Speaker 1: significant reports of consistent abuses from this particular unit. So 1320 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 1: you can't have these, you know, like roving bands, empowered 1321 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,840 Speaker 1: to however they set this thing up, this Scorpion unit. 1322 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,840 Speaker 1: This needs to be a lesson of you can't this, 1323 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 1: This does not work, because this is just creating more pain, 1324 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,720 Speaker 1: more crime ultimately, because obviously this was a crime they 1325 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,240 Speaker 1: committed here and is not doing anything to solve the 1326 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,800 Speaker 1: issues that you're claiming to try and solve. Yeah, we 1327 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,280 Speaker 1: own the city. The sequel to the Wire, I highly 1328 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 1: recommend people. We had our friend John Blernhal on the 1329 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,480 Speaker 1: show a little bit to talk about it. He's also 1330 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,560 Speaker 1: got a podcast where he talks a little bit about 1331 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,040 Speaker 1: this as well, both with cops and with people on 1332 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,960 Speaker 1: the street who have been abused by police and have 1333 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 1: had interactions in conversation. Again, I wish I had that 1334 01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,360 Speaker 1: conversation or the answer to this one. It's a twisted 1335 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,920 Speaker 1: a twisted one because right at the same time, it's 1336 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,360 Speaker 1: I can't have you know, people will get pissed when 1337 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of high crime. They should be. You know, 1338 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: somebody was shot or robbed at gunpoint, like two blocks 1339 01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,240 Speaker 1: away from my house the other day. People around me 1340 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:42,880 Speaker 1: are kind of freaking out. They're like, wow, well deserve 1341 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,400 Speaker 1: they live in a safe neighbor Yeah, and exactly. And 1342 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, here in Washington watching the city just really 1343 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 1: frankly descend over the last three years, it's been a tragedy. 1344 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,720 Speaker 1: It's been killed a lot of businesses, So it's both 1345 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,080 Speaker 1: community problem. Like I have no idea exactly what the 1346 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,240 Speaker 1: balance is. I think it's probably way above pay grade. 1347 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,720 Speaker 1: All it comes down to is like, I don't know, 1348 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,840 Speaker 1: have compassion for each other. I don't really know why 1349 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 1: anybody would ever want to do that to another person 1350 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,120 Speaker 1: for literally no reason, at least seemingly from what I 1351 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,560 Speaker 1: could see from the video. It was truly horrific. And 1352 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,240 Speaker 1: there are a lot of deranged and crazy people out 1353 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,000 Speaker 1: there too, and you know, I guess some of them 1354 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,760 Speaker 1: are on It's kind of like what we talked about 1355 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,560 Speaker 1: with Santos, where those people like gravitate to the top. 1356 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,400 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, people says like maybe if you 1357 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,439 Speaker 1: want to be a cop, like maybe you shouldn't. It's 1358 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,440 Speaker 1: one of those where if you get off on power 1359 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 1: over people and physical violence and all this stuff's like, well, 1360 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,400 Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't be in that position. I watched this 1361 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,120 Speaker 1: video that was going around at the time a couple 1362 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,520 Speaker 1: months ago. This guy Mike Glover. He's like a former 1363 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,120 Speaker 1: Green He was actually just on the Rogan podcast, but 1364 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,200 Speaker 1: he did like this whole takedown about Uvalde and he 1365 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,800 Speaker 1: had a line which really stuck with me where he 1366 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,760 Speaker 1: was talking about operator because he's a former Green brain. 1367 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,760 Speaker 1: He's like, everybody wants to be an operator until it's 1368 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,000 Speaker 1: trying to do times, until it's time to do operator 1369 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,880 Speaker 1: shit where you're either like you get carried away with 1370 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,320 Speaker 1: your emotions, you're training, you're just completely leading with like 1371 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: no leadership or any of that. And I don't know, 1372 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think about that when I was 1373 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,240 Speaker 1: watching this, I'm like, this is just a total lack 1374 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: not even professionalism, this is just savagery for almost the 1375 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,360 Speaker 1: sake of it. Well, the Uvaldi point is a really 1376 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,360 Speaker 1: important one because when it actually counted, when you needed 1377 01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,479 Speaker 1: the good guys with guns, and you had a real 1378 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,960 Speaker 1: bad guy nothing, this defenseless man who was trying to 1379 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,559 Speaker 1: drive home from a park and is one hundred yards 1380 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,040 Speaker 1: from his mom's house and apparently weighed like one hundred 1381 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,960 Speaker 1: and forty six pounds. Oh you're real tough guy. Five 1382 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:30,160 Speaker 1: of you beating this man to death. Real tough guys. Congratulations. 1383 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,679 Speaker 1: There is a power structure here, and I do think 1384 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,760 Speaker 1: that you're right. There is maybe some sort of self 1385 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,800 Speaker 1: selection the type of person who would want to have 1386 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,800 Speaker 1: that like power over another human being. I don't know. 1387 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,160 Speaker 1: I mean to zoom out from this. I will say 1388 01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,880 Speaker 1: that in the broader conversation, we have a lot of 1389 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,880 Speaker 1: societal ills. We got a lot of social problems in 1390 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,880 Speaker 1: this country, and there's no way you're ever going to 1391 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,719 Speaker 1: have a police force that can handle all of those things. 1392 01:08:55,760 --> 01:09:00,760 Speaker 1: Like if we had a healthier, more equal in society, 1393 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,880 Speaker 1: we would have less crime to deal with, and then 1394 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,720 Speaker 1: we would have less inclination of tough on crime politicians 1395 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,639 Speaker 1: to send, you know, roving scorpion bands out on the streets. 1396 01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,880 Speaker 1: So I think it's always important. A lot of data 1397 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,599 Speaker 1: actually bears that out. You know, a lot of them too. 1398 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,200 Speaker 1: A lot of these guys have insane PTSD. Actually, there's 1399 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot of studies about the amount of PTSD that 1400 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these cops have. So you know, also 1401 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,880 Speaker 1: even on that front where it's like, you see, we 1402 01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,479 Speaker 1: send these people in the situations which they like, Listen, 1403 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,360 Speaker 1: what do you do Whenever you see somebody get the 1404 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,760 Speaker 1: face blown off by their husband? You literally want to 1405 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,000 Speaker 1: beat the crap out of the guy. And the guys 1406 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 1: sitting there saying I didn't do anything, she shot herself 1407 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,120 Speaker 1: or someone. I can't even imagine what I would want 1408 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,640 Speaker 1: to lose it in that situation, and then you've got 1409 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,280 Speaker 1: to deal with that for twenty five years. I don't know, 1410 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,240 Speaker 1: maybe you don't look. I mean, these are extraordinary circumstances 1411 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,599 Speaker 1: of which we're always trying to like judge and look 1412 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,519 Speaker 1: at from a point of normal view. And part of 1413 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: the problem is this is not a normal life in 1414 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,639 Speaker 1: any way. So and I have no idea again how 1415 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,240 Speaker 1: you get out of that. I think your point is 1416 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,280 Speaker 1: probably the most correct, which is that you know, if 1417 01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,800 Speaker 1: you inhibit the amount of even conditions in which this 1418 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,640 Speaker 1: stuff is going to happen, then we don't ever have 1419 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,679 Speaker 1: to find out in the first place, and that's probably 1420 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,160 Speaker 1: as difficult as it is as probably the correct answer. 1421 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on here to gain a function. 1422 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,799 Speaker 1: I know that there was a lot of discussion online. 1423 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 1: There was a video released by Project Veritas. So the 1424 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,639 Speaker 1: video has actually been banned on YouTube, and since we're 1425 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,280 Speaker 1: on YouTube, I'm going to do my best to describe it. 1426 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,599 Speaker 1: So let me get the actual circumstances of this all 1427 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,800 Speaker 1: in front of me. So there was a Project Veritas 1428 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,920 Speaker 1: video in which James O'Keeffe and others confronted a scientist 1429 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:39,160 Speaker 1: at Pfiser who was in the vaccine division. Supposedly, Well, yeah, 1430 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,320 Speaker 1: so that's the other one on Pfizer, right, this is 1431 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:46,439 Speaker 1: always the difficulty. Look, Project Veritas does themselves no favors 1432 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,519 Speaker 1: in the credibility department with the amount of editing and 1433 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,160 Speaker 1: the things that they've been caught just completely like inventing 1434 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,479 Speaker 1: on a whole clause. I've said this before. Please stop 1435 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,160 Speaker 1: with the editing and the music. It is genuinely it's 1436 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,800 Speaker 1: like maddening because it actually and casts doubt on what 1437 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,879 Speaker 1: Just play the raw video. That's all you gotta do. Anyway, 1438 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,879 Speaker 1: So we have the Pfizer Allegedly, according to Project Veritas, 1439 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,160 Speaker 1: we have a Phfiser director where he was on the 1440 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,400 Speaker 1: cameras I guess supposedly on a date with an individual. 1441 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,400 Speaker 1: I went ahead and watched the full again to what 1442 01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,800 Speaker 1: they have put out in terms of the music and 1443 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,040 Speaker 1: all that stuff that I could find on Rumble, And 1444 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 1: in the course of that video, what he says is 1445 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,280 Speaker 1: he was quote and they were working on mutating the 1446 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,400 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen virus. So there has been a lot of 1447 01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,240 Speaker 1: discussion around that point. What does that mean? Are they 1448 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,880 Speaker 1: practicing gain of function research within the Pfeiser division of 1449 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,519 Speaker 1: the vaccine on the coronavirus specifically, also with bi valain 1450 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,439 Speaker 1: boosters and working on future boosters. Is it mutation with 1451 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,840 Speaker 1: regards to trying to come up with vaccines against new strains? 1452 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:58,200 Speaker 1: Is it a commonplace within the realm of vaccine production. 1453 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to choose my words care from the research 1454 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,320 Speaker 1: that I've done around this, even though I do kind 1455 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,120 Speaker 1: of have an opinion. So from what I can tell, 1456 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,519 Speaker 1: what the guy was describing around the mutating the COVID 1457 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,920 Speaker 1: nineteen virus and others was the lingo. Allegedly, this is 1458 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,760 Speaker 1: what I've read from vaccinologists and others who work on 1459 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,960 Speaker 1: this was the lingo at which they use, and maybe 1460 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,280 Speaker 1: this is a broader structural conversation around vaccine development. Now 1461 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,120 Speaker 1: I don't know actually a whole lot about the process 1462 01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,679 Speaker 1: I would like to learn. However, a lot of people 1463 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,960 Speaker 1: were shocked by that, and it's sparking a conversation around 1464 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,800 Speaker 1: gain of function research. So the reason I wanted to 1465 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,559 Speaker 1: address this video around what allegedly might have been taking 1466 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,280 Speaker 1: a place at Fiser. We don't know. They deny it, 1467 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,280 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that around with this is with 1468 01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,000 Speaker 1: the conversation around gain of function broadly, that is a 1469 01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,360 Speaker 1: legitimate one. Whether Pfizer was doing that, I have no 1470 01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,439 Speaker 1: idea from the video or not. We don't actually have 1471 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,120 Speaker 1: any proof. They deny it. We'll see not exactly a 1472 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,280 Speaker 1: lot of trustworthy characters all around here. Here's what we 1473 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,599 Speaker 1: do know. The United States government was fund and gain 1474 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,360 Speaker 1: of function research, which is effect of lead mutating viruses 1475 01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,160 Speaker 1: and then trying to come up with cures for those viruses. 1476 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,240 Speaker 1: Except for the problem is sometimes those mutt viruses, I 1477 01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,320 Speaker 1: don't know, they escape from a lab and maybe cause 1478 01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,880 Speaker 1: a global pandemic. Well, this conversation has been fring and 1479 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,320 Speaker 1: its been basically on YouTube, the Joe Rogan Experience now 1480 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,800 Speaker 1: for almost two years, so it has been cast as 1481 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:23,280 Speaker 1: kind of a fringe one. However, actual scientific experts working 1482 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,000 Speaker 1: behind the scenes have caught with a lot of what 1483 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,160 Speaker 1: we're all talking about, a lot of what we're concerned about, 1484 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:33,679 Speaker 1: and are now voting to actually put in place much 1485 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,320 Speaker 1: stricter rules for the United States around funding gain of 1486 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: function research. So let's go ahead and put this up 1487 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,639 Speaker 1: there on the screen. This is what broke just two 1488 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,640 Speaker 1: days ago, actually, right around the same time as a 1489 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:49,439 Speaker 1: Veritas video, an expert panel has voted for stricter rules 1490 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,920 Speaker 1: on risky virus research. Now the hands are in the 1491 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,840 Speaker 1: White House, so this was on Friday. It's a set 1492 01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,880 Speaker 1: of proposed changes to the federal government's program for regular 1493 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,320 Speaker 1: experiments that involve tinkering with risky viruses and other pathogens. 1494 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Now the Biden administration has to either decide or approve 1495 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,479 Speaker 1: draft recommendations which quote ask health officials to extend oversight 1496 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,720 Speaker 1: to less dangerous pathogens, including one similar to the coronavirus. 1497 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,679 Speaker 1: Will remember that their removal on gain of function around 1498 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,599 Speaker 1: back coronaviruses specifically was taken away by doctor Anthony Fauci 1499 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,400 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. They also recommended an end to exemptions, 1500 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,320 Speaker 1: and this is why this is directly related to the 1501 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,440 Speaker 1: Pfizer video, an end to the exemptions for research related 1502 01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:40,080 Speaker 1: to vaccine development and the surveillance of emerging viruses. So 1503 01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:44,000 Speaker 1: right now we have an exemption in place actually for Pfizer, Maderna, 1504 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,680 Speaker 1: and for any other vaccine makers that they are effectively 1505 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,040 Speaker 1: allowed to do a type of gain of function in 1506 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,519 Speaker 1: the lab as long as it's under the guise of 1507 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,599 Speaker 1: creating a vaccine and maybe a future vaccine. That's why 1508 01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,040 Speaker 1: with the Verapas video really be some truth to it. 1509 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,759 Speaker 1: This is a very roundabout way of saying it. Okay, 1510 01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm just going to completely dispatch with the Project Veritas 1511 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,400 Speaker 1: video because they have zero credibility and you can't even 1512 01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,639 Speaker 1: find like this guy that they say is like senior advisor. 1513 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,240 Speaker 1: What you can't even find this guy. He took his 1514 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,679 Speaker 1: sad in off and anyway, so anyway, I'm just gonna 1515 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,360 Speaker 1: say I don't trust the Project Veritas video. I will 1516 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,880 Speaker 1: put that aside. In terms of the expert panel here, 1517 01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:28,280 Speaker 1: I mean, these recommendations seem to me, as a non scientist, 1518 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,400 Speaker 1: to be a step in the right direction and something 1519 01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,120 Speaker 1: a lot of us have been asking for a lot 1520 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,759 Speaker 1: more thought to be put into for a while, because 1521 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,880 Speaker 1: even if you don't think that coronavirus came about because 1522 01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,000 Speaker 1: of a lab leak, we know that lab leaks are 1523 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,320 Speaker 1: not uncommon. So it seems like a good time to 1524 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,120 Speaker 1: look at and gain a function has been recognized to 1525 01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,759 Speaker 1: be dangerous and something that should be regulated and watched 1526 01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,360 Speaker 1: carefully and done owner strictly controlled environment. So this seems 1527 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,600 Speaker 1: like a good time in the interest of preventing a 1528 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,800 Speaker 1: future pandemic to tighten those controls based on expert recommendations. 1529 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,040 Speaker 1: The piece of this I found interesting is, of course 1530 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,200 Speaker 1: there's a big backlash of course among you know, people 1531 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,800 Speaker 1: who basically make their careers off of doing this type 1532 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,120 Speaker 1: of research, and they pen the letter and they are 1533 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,240 Speaker 1: continuing to insist that in reality, there's no evidence that 1534 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,479 Speaker 1: COVID leaked from the lab, even though the best you 1535 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,120 Speaker 1: can say is that, you know, we don't know the 1536 01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,360 Speaker 1: truth of the matter, and they're there's continuing to use 1537 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,880 Speaker 1: that idea that there's no chance that it leaked from 1538 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,400 Speaker 1: the lab to justify like Oh, we don't need to 1539 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,280 Speaker 1: make any changes. It's all good, and this is going 1540 01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,720 Speaker 1: to shut down needed research, et cetera, et cetera. So 1541 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,600 Speaker 1: that the backlash to what these experts are suggesting in 1542 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,720 Speaker 1: terms of tightening up the regulations was to me the 1543 01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,720 Speaker 1: kind of most interesting part. Yeah, look, to me, a 1544 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,120 Speaker 1: lot of this is basically not about science. It's about 1545 01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,120 Speaker 1: money laundering. Because what are you going to take a 1546 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,439 Speaker 1: take one view at all the quotes of the people 1547 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,200 Speaker 1: who are pushing back against this, the duties of the 1548 01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,960 Speaker 1: director of the National Institute of Health, the virologist Vanderbi University, 1549 01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,559 Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins Center for Global Security at the Bloomberg School 1550 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,559 Speaker 1: of Public Health. What do all these people have in common. 1551 01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,879 Speaker 1: It's called getting funded by NIH and doctor Anthony Fauci. 1552 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,680 Speaker 1: The National Institute of Health is the number one distributor 1553 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,400 Speaker 1: of scientific grants across the United States for virology research. 1554 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,280 Speaker 1: If you piss off the head, then you're dead. My 1555 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:25,639 Speaker 1: parents both work in academic environment. If you're a tenured professor, 1556 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,040 Speaker 1: you got to cover your own salary. You got to 1557 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,559 Speaker 1: get grants to not just cover you, but especially if 1558 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,719 Speaker 1: you're in the stem field, you got to cover yourself 1559 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,479 Speaker 1: and your whole lab. You got to get funding for that. 1560 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,559 Speaker 1: The university is not just going to be the one 1561 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 1: doing it. You're almost like a PR salesman whenever you 1562 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,280 Speaker 1: go out and do this stuff. So when the number 1563 01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,880 Speaker 1: one dollar of the dollars is the guy who loves 1564 01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,519 Speaker 1: gain of function research, and it's not just about him, 1565 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,360 Speaker 1: it's a cultural problem within the National Institute of Health, 1566 01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,240 Speaker 1: you're not going to speak out against it, even if 1567 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:57,599 Speaker 1: you privately disagree with what's that. That's why with Lab leak, 1568 01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,000 Speaker 1: with nobody's willing to come out. Everything is in the shadow, 1569 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,960 Speaker 1: in secret. I've spoken with some people were very high 1570 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,479 Speaker 1: up in this field. None of them want to talk 1571 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,479 Speaker 1: on the record because their careers are in danger. This 1572 01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:12,280 Speaker 1: is a cartel that is controlled by the scientific establishment, 1573 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,400 Speaker 1: specifically with Fauci at the top. And so that's why 1574 01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,120 Speaker 1: I think that it took a lot of courage for 1575 01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,639 Speaker 1: these people to adopt even this. Meally mouthed like, yeah, 1576 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,080 Speaker 1: maybe we should end it in this way. And if 1577 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,760 Speaker 1: you look at the language around the vaccine, here's what 1578 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,679 Speaker 1: I've got around gain of function with vaccine exemptions. Remove 1579 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:35,120 Speaker 1: blanket exclusions for research activities associated with surveillance and vaccine 1580 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:39,280 Speaker 1: development or production. However, include an implement processes and procedures 1581 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,080 Speaker 1: for urgent federal departmental review and evaluation of research critical 1582 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,720 Speaker 1: for public health or national security. How can you possibly 1583 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,360 Speaker 1: be against that? That's at least somebody in the FEDS, 1584 01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,000 Speaker 1: if you're going to get an exemption, should say, all right, 1585 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,559 Speaker 1: what do you want it for? Which vaccine? Do you 1586 01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,880 Speaker 1: have to report this to us? Now it's subject to 1587 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,080 Speaker 1: fouya up, subject to Congress. We can all talk about it. 1588 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,920 Speaker 1: Why should fiz Maderna and all these other companies have 1589 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,720 Speaker 1: a blanket exclusion on gain and function research as long 1590 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,120 Speaker 1: as it's under vaccine development. That is nuts to me, 1591 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's here, by the way, they had 1592 01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,760 Speaker 1: labs all across Europe and the United States. Who knows 1593 01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,800 Speaker 1: what's going on in our own shores and who knows 1594 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,320 Speaker 1: how much of this subcontracted out to China, just like 1595 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,120 Speaker 1: the Wuhan Institute of Virology, So I know that this 1596 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,800 Speaker 1: is convoluted. It's difficult without being able to show the video. 1597 01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:23,439 Speaker 1: If you want to watch it, it's on Rumble. You 1598 01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,800 Speaker 1: can go ahead and watch the full thing. And I'm 1599 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,680 Speaker 1: not saying you'll necessarily take anything away, but it'll put 1600 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,080 Speaker 1: some of what exactly we're talking about into context. Zoom 1601 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,320 Speaker 1: out from Veritas. Clearly something is going on here. We 1602 01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,760 Speaker 1: have a chance to actually fix it. Now it's up 1603 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,680 Speaker 1: to Biden. That's the key. The bottom line is, I 1604 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,559 Speaker 1: think it has long been recognized in the scientific community 1605 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,840 Speaker 1: that gain and function research search can be dangerous. We 1606 01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:52,120 Speaker 1: had a vivid example of that with the possibility that 1607 01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,599 Speaker 1: coronavirus escaped from a lab. The idea that there should 1608 01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,919 Speaker 1: be tightened regulations and restrictions on this type of research 1609 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,839 Speaker 1: should be something that everyone can get behind an embrace. 1610 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,479 Speaker 1: And it is no accident that the people who are 1611 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,040 Speaker 1: disputing this idea and trying to keep the regulations as 1612 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,000 Speaker 1: loose as they are right now are people who have 1613 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,439 Speaker 1: potential career and financial interests in being able to continue 1614 01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,440 Speaker 1: this type of research. So that's what I take away absolutely, 1615 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,200 Speaker 1: all right, Sager, what are you looking at? Well? A 1616 01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:22,840 Speaker 1: while back, I did a monologue on one of the 1617 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,559 Speaker 1: most cynical and disgusting acts I've seen take place in 1618 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,519 Speaker 1: the higher education space to date, certainly saying something considering 1619 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,240 Speaker 1: these people may qualify behind only the pharmaceutical industry as 1620 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,879 Speaker 1: the largest legalized criminals in the United States. But considering 1621 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,040 Speaker 1: the trillion dollar scam that they've pulled on people, I 1622 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,280 Speaker 1: think they deserve it. The sum of the scheme involved 1623 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,720 Speaker 1: law schools. In this particular example especially, it goes like this, 1624 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,839 Speaker 1: The top law schools in the country are all pulling 1625 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,120 Speaker 1: out of the US News and World Report rankings. Normally, 1626 01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I celebrate this, I think the rankings are deeply flawed, 1627 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,080 Speaker 1: but the timing of it was terrible. It's being done 1628 01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,040 Speaker 1: specifically because law schools know this Supreme Court is about 1629 01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,840 Speaker 1: to strike down affirmative action in college admissions across the board. 1630 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,519 Speaker 1: Law schools know this, but they are also deeply wetted 1631 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,720 Speaker 1: to a racialized view of college admissions. So what do 1632 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,679 Speaker 1: you do if you want to keep affirmative action even 1633 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,080 Speaker 1: if it's against the law, Well, you make it impossible 1634 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,719 Speaker 1: to prove. How do you do that? You down rank, 1635 01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,919 Speaker 1: or you remove objective criteria like LSAT, test scores, GPA, 1636 01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:29,599 Speaker 1: and you move toward essays. Then, when you discriminate against Asians, 1637 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,800 Speaker 1: you can't compare people's essays quantitatively. The racial numbers just 1638 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,439 Speaker 1: happen to look the same there's only one problem in 1639 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,000 Speaker 1: doing all of this. Whenever you downrank GPA and remove 1640 01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:44,360 Speaker 1: objective measures like the GPA or the LSAT, then you're 1641 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,960 Speaker 1: going to drop in the rankings. So to prepare for 1642 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,400 Speaker 1: your scheme, you pull out of the rankings and you 1643 01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,360 Speaker 1: claim it's a benevolent act. To be clear, this is 1644 01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,760 Speaker 1: not a conspiracy. It's out in the open. Already. Affirmative 1645 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,519 Speaker 1: action activists have campaigned to kill the LSAT for law 1646 01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,479 Speaker 1: school admissions because of vote equity concerns. Starting in two years, 1647 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,920 Speaker 1: the LSAT is no longer required by some of the 1648 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,679 Speaker 1: nation's top law schools or the American Bar Association. Any 1649 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,240 Speaker 1: merit in the admissions process, to the extent there was 1650 01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,519 Speaker 1: any at all is dead. But today I have an 1651 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,280 Speaker 1: even more troubling news. It's not just the profession of 1652 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,360 Speaker 1: law now, it's medicine, which arguably is one of the 1653 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,880 Speaker 1: most important in a country where one fifth of all 1654 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,599 Speaker 1: spending is healthcare related and we are fatter and more 1655 01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,000 Speaker 1: sicker than ever. Well, they took their cues from law 1656 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,360 Speaker 1: schools Harvard University, Stanford School of Medicine, Columbia University, University 1657 01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,880 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, many of already pulled out of the medical 1658 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,040 Speaker 1: school rankings. This too is a benevolent act. They say 1659 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,559 Speaker 1: they don't agree with the rankings, but in almost every 1660 01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,640 Speaker 1: single case, the medical school dean site quote philosophical concerns 1661 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 1: in pulling out. Conveniently, at this moment, I want people 1662 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,639 Speaker 1: to really internalize how evil this is. These schools are 1663 01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:57,479 Speaker 1: trying to paint themselves as benevolent, keep their legacy Ivy 1664 01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,360 Speaker 1: League brands intact, all while removing the very idea of 1665 01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:05,200 Speaker 1: merit from their systems, specifically so they can admit targeted 1666 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,680 Speaker 1: racial groups for the field of medicine. This is the 1667 01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,160 Speaker 1: same tactic Harvard a few generations ago was using to 1668 01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,599 Speaker 1: discriminate against Jews and against Catholics, and in modern times 1669 01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,920 Speaker 1: now Asians who cares about their test scores. They're not 1670 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,280 Speaker 1: well rounded, that's what they used to say, or my 1671 01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:24,240 Speaker 1: personal favorite, test scores are bad because they're racists. Already, 1672 01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,519 Speaker 1: what happened to the LSAT is going to happen to 1673 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,599 Speaker 1: the MCAT. The seeds for nuking it are already planted. 1674 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,000 Speaker 1: Look here the American Association of Medical Colleges printing on 1675 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,120 Speaker 1: front page op eds about eliminating bias from medical school 1676 01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,160 Speaker 1: admissions not biased against Asians. They say, you need a 1677 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,760 Speaker 1: quote more holistic view of the whole student to do 1678 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,479 Speaker 1: what you need to to rely less on the MCAT 1679 01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,479 Speaker 1: and GPA. By doing it would increase the amount of 1680 01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,479 Speaker 1: black medical students. He says. What I find disgusting about 1681 01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,439 Speaker 1: these arguments is actually the implicit racism that black students 1682 01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,800 Speaker 1: are scoring less on the MCAT or GPA because they 1683 01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,439 Speaker 1: can't figure them out, or maybe people who come from 1684 01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,840 Speaker 1: poorer backgrounds writ large, regardless of race, do badly on 1685 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,799 Speaker 1: standardized tests. Why should we not care about merit? According 1686 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,759 Speaker 1: to this doctor, to remove the MCAT and cannot consider GPA. 1687 01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,880 Speaker 1: Here's what he says, Quote diversity matters. It starts by 1688 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,960 Speaker 1: educating a class of medical students who can provide culturally 1689 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:19,479 Speaker 1: responsive care for an increasingly diverse patient population. I promise 1690 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,400 Speaker 1: you this. If I am in a car accident and 1691 01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,679 Speaker 1: I'm at the hospital and someone is about to cut 1692 01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,840 Speaker 1: me open, all I want, and I think everybody wants, 1693 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,360 Speaker 1: is somebody who knows what they're doing. Or let's say 1694 01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,479 Speaker 1: in that accident it's someone else's fault, you want to 1695 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,640 Speaker 1: sue them, and you need a lawyer. Same thing. Do 1696 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,280 Speaker 1: you know what you're doing or not? Because I don't, 1697 01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,320 Speaker 1: and I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people 1698 01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,960 Speaker 1: who engage with both professions they don't care about the 1699 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,519 Speaker 1: race or the gender of your doctor or your lawyer. 1700 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,920 Speaker 1: You just want the job done. I say all this 1701 01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,880 Speaker 1: as someone who believes in equal opportunity for all, but 1702 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,000 Speaker 1: that is the key opportunity to succeed, not rigging the 1703 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:58,240 Speaker 1: outcome to be quote equitable according to whatever arbitrary social 1704 01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,800 Speaker 1: ideology that is in vogue at the time. In fact, 1705 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,639 Speaker 1: if you actually care about having an equitable society, merit 1706 01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,799 Speaker 1: is one of the only things that guarantees it. Merit 1707 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,280 Speaker 1: is what gives foreign applicants actually a fighting chance when 1708 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,920 Speaker 1: they're applying to US schools. It is the only metric 1709 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,960 Speaker 1: genuinely comparable across the world. Merit is what guarantees as 1710 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,120 Speaker 1: someone from a low circumstance can emphatically stand out against 1711 01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,439 Speaker 1: their peers from a wealthier place, and ironically, by nuking merit, 1712 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,360 Speaker 1: these idiotic schools have instead kept a system easier to 1713 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,439 Speaker 1: preserve legacy admissions and let in any brain dead sun 1714 01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:32,320 Speaker 1: of a multimillionaire or billionaire without having to even pretend 1715 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,960 Speaker 1: they were ever good at school. The rich will be 1716 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,400 Speaker 1: completely fine under this system. It is the middle class, 1717 01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,000 Speaker 1: smart ones who have no chance in hell. Unfortunately, we 1718 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,160 Speaker 1: are going in an opposite direction as a society. Woke 1719 01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,040 Speaker 1: bureaucrats like those of these medical schools have decided they 1720 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,400 Speaker 1: would rather engineer the number of minorities that are doctors 1721 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,360 Speaker 1: by lowering their standards, rather than help minorities reach something 1722 01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,879 Speaker 1: that would have that should have an objectively high standard. 1723 01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,360 Speaker 1: The ongoing war on merit will do nothing but lower 1724 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,880 Speaker 1: confidence in these jobs, which are genuinely important to all 1725 01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,400 Speaker 1: of us as a society. And that's why you know, 1726 01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,439 Speaker 1: I tried to leave this and if you want to 1727 01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:13,080 Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue, become a premium subscriber 1728 01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:18,360 Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot com, Cristal, what are you taking 1729 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,400 Speaker 1: a look at? Well, Guys. Since taking back a house, 1730 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,080 Speaker 1: some Republicans have been floating using the debt ceiling as 1731 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,800 Speaker 1: a cudgel to force through cuts to Social Security. The 1732 01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,040 Speaker 1: popular and effective program has been under attack from conservatives 1733 01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,840 Speaker 1: literally since its inception, and who have at every turn 1734 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,880 Speaker 1: sought to undermine, cut, or privatize our nation's single most 1735 01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,920 Speaker 1: successful social welfare program. Well, those who are considering pushing 1736 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,080 Speaker 1: for such a move this time around might want to 1737 01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,120 Speaker 1: take a look at what is happening right now in France, 1738 01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,519 Speaker 1: where market fundamentalist president Emmanuel Macron has been on a 1739 01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,280 Speaker 1: multi year quest to lift the retirement age in that 1740 01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,120 Speaker 1: nation from sixty two to sixty four. So just over 1741 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,559 Speaker 1: a week ago, millions took to the streets of France 1742 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,960 Speaker 1: in a general strike to protest Macron's proposed changes. Here. 1743 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,320 Speaker 1: These marches occurred in over two hundred French cities. They 1744 01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,960 Speaker 1: brought together all sorts of unlikely allies. That movement has 1745 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,800 Speaker 1: united labor unions across the political spectrum, has even put 1746 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,960 Speaker 1: leftist leader Jean Luke Melinchamp on the same side as 1747 01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,840 Speaker 1: far right leader Marine la Penn. While there were some 1748 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,479 Speaker 1: classes in Paris between strikers and police, the protests were 1749 01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:19,639 Speaker 1: largely peaceful. That doesn't mean they didn't pack a punch, 1750 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,879 Speaker 1: though far from the American style toothless march with placards 1751 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,360 Speaker 1: that politicians feel free to ignore. This general strike cut 1752 01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,400 Speaker 1: energy production, shuttered public transit, and generally ground business as 1753 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,479 Speaker 1: usual to a halt across the country. Our wonderful partner. 1754 01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,000 Speaker 1: Max Alvarez from the Real News interviewed one of the 1755 01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,599 Speaker 1: strikers there. Here is what they had to say about 1756 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:44,320 Speaker 1: their fight and their strategy. We fight for our dirispict 1757 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:51,080 Speaker 1: to our grandfather who vote for this system, against Nazi fascists. 1758 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,680 Speaker 1: We fight for us, and we fight for the for 1759 01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,880 Speaker 1: the next generation, even for the working class down the bone. No, 1760 01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,839 Speaker 1: we fight for them. We fight for principle. That's very important. 1761 01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,639 Speaker 1: So three days ago we was on general strike. There 1762 01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,320 Speaker 1: is seventy percent of the schools was closed in the 1763 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:14,320 Speaker 1: entire country. The train, the buses, the metro, the airport 1764 01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:19,040 Speaker 1: was paralyzed, the factory was closed, the refinery was the 1765 01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,280 Speaker 1: pipes was turned off, et cetera, et cetera. And we 1766 01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,680 Speaker 1: was about two million people in the street in the 1767 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,240 Speaker 1: entire country, including half million people in Paris, and we 1768 01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:36,120 Speaker 1: claim not one years more, not one euro less. So 1769 01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,400 Speaker 1: that was Matthew Boufada. He is a train conductor and 1770 01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:43,439 Speaker 1: general secretary of a CGT union local in Versailles. And 1771 01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,519 Speaker 1: as if that energy wasn't already incredible, Matthew and his 1772 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,080 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, they are going even further here as 1773 01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,120 Speaker 1: France twenty four Quote robin Hood energy strikers are giving 1774 01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:58,400 Speaker 1: free power to French schools, hospitals and low income homes. 1775 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,320 Speaker 1: Amid national strikes and energy sector some workers in France 1776 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,880 Speaker 1: have found a novel way to protest. The article says, 1777 01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,639 Speaker 1: on Thursday, quote Robinhood operations unauthorized by the government provided 1778 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:13,000 Speaker 1: free gas and electricity to schools, universities and low income 1779 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,160 Speaker 1: households throughout the country. Among the facilities provided free energy 1780 01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,200 Speaker 1: were public sports facilities, daycare centers, public libraries, some small 1781 01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,639 Speaker 1: businesses and homes that had been cut off from power. 1782 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,880 Speaker 1: So these trade unionists are literally giving power to the people. 1783 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,680 Speaker 1: French citizens, like many others, have been struggling with high 1784 01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,759 Speaker 1: inflation and especially with soaring energy prices due to Russia's 1785 01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,320 Speaker 1: war in Ukraine and the NATO response to it. Already 1786 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,320 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, a quarter of French citizens struggled 1787 01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,680 Speaker 1: with energy costs. Gas and electricity prices there they are 1788 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,400 Speaker 1: expected to spike another fifteen percent this year alone. So 1789 01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,439 Speaker 1: needless to say, there's a lot of French citizens who 1790 01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,200 Speaker 1: are in need of help from any corner they can 1791 01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,600 Speaker 1: get it right now. The voice of capital, though, is 1792 01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,479 Speaker 1: quite panicked about this tactic. In a new article, The 1793 01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,799 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal cried about threats from radical trade unionists 1794 01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,160 Speaker 1: to not only give power to the poor, but to 1795 01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,680 Speaker 1: cut it to the billionaires and political elites who are 1796 01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,639 Speaker 1: attempting to force through this wildly unpopular retirement age change. 1797 01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,280 Speaker 1: So far, the union CGT has claimed responsibility for cutting 1798 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,120 Speaker 1: power for three hours to the office of one of 1799 01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,960 Speaker 1: Macron's political allies, and they have also name checked a 1800 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,559 Speaker 1: billionaire media mogul as a potential target as well. Though 1801 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,000 Speaker 1: the boss class might cry palling suggests the public is 1802 01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,120 Speaker 1: firmly on the side of the protesters. Some seventy to 1803 01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,840 Speaker 1: eighty percent of the public opposes Macron's plan to lift 1804 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,920 Speaker 1: the retirement age plan, which mccrown was already forced to 1805 01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,120 Speaker 1: abandon after a mass public resistance just a few years prior, 1806 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,960 Speaker 1: in spite of winning re election by a comfortable margin. 1807 01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,680 Speaker 1: It's not like Macron is a popular political figure. He 1808 01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,400 Speaker 1: won even though a lot of the public really actually 1809 01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,120 Speaker 1: detested him. It's just that they detested far right leader 1810 01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,720 Speaker 1: Marine la Penn Even more, this inspiring model is one 1811 01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,360 Speaker 1: Biden chief of staff Ron Klaine, name checked as a 1812 01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:55,080 Speaker 1: potential blueprint for our president's own reelect. Now, mccron has 1813 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,880 Speaker 1: been malleable on a whole range of issues, shifting with 1814 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,880 Speaker 1: his view of the political wins, but on this particular 1815 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,440 Speaker 1: issue he seems rigidly ideological, despite damn near unanimous opposition 1816 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,840 Speaker 1: to his plan. Now, the French, of course famously protective 1817 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,759 Speaker 1: of their social safety net and social contract. I understand why, 1818 01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,920 Speaker 1: but I would suggest Americans might be moving towards more 1819 01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,840 Speaker 1: French relationship, towards work careers and the elite class. In fact, 1820 01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,360 Speaker 1: Matthew had a message for Americans who are watching all 1821 01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,519 Speaker 1: of this unfold. To the American people, I would tend 1822 01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:29,559 Speaker 1: to you, we are workers, and we are proud to 1823 01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:33,240 Speaker 1: be workers because we create all the beautiful things in 1824 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:38,120 Speaker 1: the world. The trader they create nothing, The CEO, they 1825 01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:43,720 Speaker 1: create nothing that we the workers, the walking class, we 1826 01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,160 Speaker 1: have gold in our ends from nothing from the Natuu. 1827 01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:53,439 Speaker 1: We create building train with a bread, especially in friends, 1828 01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,519 Speaker 1: because I know you have not bread good likly in France. 1829 01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that. And we create all the wealthy thing, 1830 01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,240 Speaker 1: all the beautiful things in the world. And we prove 1831 01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,519 Speaker 1: that when we are on strike, because we prove when 1832 01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:12,200 Speaker 1: we stop the works the friends collapse. So we prove 1833 01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,280 Speaker 1: that we are the only the only class, the working class. 1834 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,080 Speaker 1: We have the only class. We create something, so they 1835 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,640 Speaker 1: have to respect us, and they have to share with 1836 01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,640 Speaker 1: us all the profits we create for them, for the companies. 1837 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:32,640 Speaker 1: So we want, as a nagatache, say give me my 1838 01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,479 Speaker 1: money back. I create, you know, I create the profits. 1839 01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,080 Speaker 1: I want my share and I want it to know. 1840 01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,480 Speaker 1: More and more Americans are waking up to exactly this realization, 1841 01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,840 Speaker 1: after being deemed essential and yet treated as disposable, after 1842 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,479 Speaker 1: realizing that without their work literally everything stops, or for 1843 01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,160 Speaker 1: white collar workers, after realizing that perhaps there was more 1844 01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:53,920 Speaker 1: life than their credentials and their career. Those who are 1845 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,599 Speaker 1: thinking of messing with our social contract would do well 1846 01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,000 Speaker 1: to take a look at what is happening right now overseas, 1847 01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,120 Speaker 1: and those who plan to fight back might take some 1848 01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,240 Speaker 1: notes as well. And sager it seems to me there 1849 01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:05,200 Speaker 1: are sort of like two potential and if you want 1850 01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,080 Speaker 1: to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium 1851 01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:14,000 Speaker 1: subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. As you guys know, 1852 01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,479 Speaker 1: the Republican House Caucus is threatening to use the debt 1853 01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,439 Speaker 1: sealing that we have already actually technically hit in order 1854 01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,320 Speaker 1: to extract some kind of spending cuts. Our friend jeffs 1855 01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,080 Speaker 1: Dinine over the Washington Post has been looking at ways 1856 01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:30,080 Speaker 1: that the Biden administration might deal with this particular situation 1857 01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,200 Speaker 1: that would not require them negotiating with the Republican House. CAUs, 1858 01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:34,960 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put Jeff's tweet up on the 1859 01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,439 Speaker 1: screen before we bring him in. So he wrote a 1860 01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:42,080 Speaker 1: piece about the seven different quote unquote gimmicks for dodging 1861 01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,599 Speaker 1: the debt limit listed here. They are number one, mint 1862 01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:48,080 Speaker 1: the coin, number two, declare laws unconstitutional, Number three self 1863 01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,400 Speaker 1: federal assets, number four by discounted bonds, Number five Fourteenth 1864 01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:54,559 Speaker 1: Amendment Ver six console bonds with no maturity date, and 1865 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:58,320 Speaker 1: number seven fed remittances. And Jeff joins us now to 1866 01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,320 Speaker 1: break all of these various things down for It's great 1867 01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,320 Speaker 1: to see sarth dese man. Thanks so much for having 1868 01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,600 Speaker 1: me back on guys. Yeah, always our pleasure. So I 1869 01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:10,000 Speaker 1: guess let's just go through these first of all, top 1870 01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,960 Speaker 1: line it, do you think it is realistic to expect 1871 01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,360 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden would use any of these tricks, And 1872 01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,400 Speaker 1: maybe start with the one that you think is the 1873 01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:24,720 Speaker 1: most sort of plausible among them. I think there's basically 1874 01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:29,400 Speaker 1: no chance he does any of these Ahead of a crisis. 1875 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:34,639 Speaker 1: I think the White House sees political upside as really, 1876 01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, to continue to just sort of they feel 1877 01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,200 Speaker 1: like they sort of have the Republicans in a hold 1878 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,599 Speaker 1: and they can just keep hitting them over and over 1879 01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,080 Speaker 1: again with this message, you guys are trying to destroy 1880 01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:47,360 Speaker 1: the economy to cut social Security and Medicare, which is 1881 01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,960 Speaker 1: true for many of the Republicans. It's an accurate line 1882 01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,960 Speaker 1: in many respects. So they feel and I think for 1883 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,120 Speaker 1: O there's more substance of reasons. They feel like they 1884 01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,760 Speaker 1: can't really go down any of these routes now. But 1885 01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:03,559 Speaker 1: if we hit a situation where the debt limit not 1886 01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,439 Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned, we've hit the debt limit, 1887 01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:09,360 Speaker 1: but we're in this weird limbo purgatory period where the 1888 01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,559 Speaker 1: Treasury's extraordinary measures are keeping US afloat by shuffling money 1889 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,400 Speaker 1: around with thorough government. Once we get beyond that and 1890 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,120 Speaker 1: markets start to freak out, and if there's still no 1891 01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:20,439 Speaker 1: chance of a deal, then I think these options are 1892 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,479 Speaker 1: going to come back, especially because some of them are 1893 01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:23,960 Speaker 1: we can get into this. Some of them are more 1894 01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,760 Speaker 1: or less dramatic. Obviously, the mint the coin being the 1895 01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,840 Speaker 1: most fun one to discuss and to think about. I'm 1896 01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,360 Speaker 1: actually doing so, Jeff. All of this presumes they're actually 1897 01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,360 Speaker 1: not to negotiate and we are going to default. What 1898 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,080 Speaker 1: that just seems extraordinary unlikely. I know that Speaker McCarthy 1899 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,040 Speaker 1: is actually meeting with President Biden, I believe, on Wednesday 1900 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,640 Speaker 1: to begin hashing this out. Everybody says they're not going 1901 01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:50,080 Speaker 1: to negotiate. Clearly, somebody's going to negotiate. What do you 1902 01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:51,840 Speaker 1: think of the odds of even getting to a UNIL 1903 01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:57,200 Speaker 1: or to an actual default actually are It's one of 1904 01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,760 Speaker 1: these hard things as a reporter where you're like, I 1905 01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:01,720 Speaker 1: want to convey to people that there is a real 1906 01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,479 Speaker 1: danger here, you know, like that there I think the 1907 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't even I don't see how a deal gets done. 1908 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,360 Speaker 1: And that's why we're covering the story. You know, it 1909 01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,240 Speaker 1: really seems hard for envision because if I saw the 1910 01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,240 Speaker 1: path of this, it would be kind of a non story. 1911 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:19,439 Speaker 1: At the same time, to your point, like McCarthy and 1912 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,440 Speaker 1: most of the Republicans and the President and the Democrats 1913 01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,120 Speaker 1: in the Senate, everyone understands that they cannot have a a 1914 01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,360 Speaker 1: fault on the debt. And so it's this like awkward 1915 01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:30,479 Speaker 1: position as a reporter where you're at risk of crying 1916 01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,960 Speaker 1: wolf and feeling like you're like running around screaming, hey, 1917 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,240 Speaker 1: like this is a huge thing that we all need 1918 01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,000 Speaker 1: to be worried about. And I feel like I've seen 1919 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,280 Speaker 1: this already, which I totally sympathized with, where some readers 1920 01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,760 Speaker 1: are saying, every time this comes up, you guys are 1921 01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:44,559 Speaker 1: running around shrieking like this is a big deal, and 1922 01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:48,200 Speaker 1: then nothing ever happens. But the fact that it hasn't 1923 01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,080 Speaker 1: happened so far doesn't mean that it won't, right of course, 1924 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:55,160 Speaker 1: of course, And the reason that I'm more nervous now 1925 01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,240 Speaker 1: than I have been in any of other previous stead 1926 01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,400 Speaker 1: fights than we can discuss this, you know at length. 1927 01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,920 Speaker 1: But if you look at all the pieces on the 1928 01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,920 Speaker 1: chess board, none of them seem to point towards a 1929 01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,040 Speaker 1: resolution here. I just don't see how any of the 1930 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,840 Speaker 1: major actors here has an incentive to do what would 1931 01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,760 Speaker 1: be required to reach an agreement. I don't think the 1932 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:18,040 Speaker 1: White House could, or maybe he should offer substantive concessions. 1933 01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,839 Speaker 1: I'm cutting major domestic programs after winning, you know, expanding 1934 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:26,519 Speaker 1: their Senate majority. Republicans have this incredibly thin margin in 1935 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,439 Speaker 1: the House that they barely squeak by, and the idea 1936 01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:33,479 Speaker 1: that Biden should give in to Republican threats to blow 1937 01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,680 Speaker 1: up the economy, to cut you know, you know, major 1938 01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:40,080 Speaker 1: programs that people rely on. You know, the White House 1939 01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,479 Speaker 1: sees that as rewarding hostage taking, and it's hard to 1940 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,480 Speaker 1: sort of discount that opinion. Similarly, I just don't see McCarthy. 1941 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't see 1942 01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:53,000 Speaker 1: him giving up his speakership for the sake of getting 1943 01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,679 Speaker 1: this done and protecting the nation's credit worthiness. And then similarly, 1944 01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,960 Speaker 1: I just don't see House conservatives telling McCarthy, yeah, reached 1945 01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,559 Speaker 1: some sort of proform a deal that doesn't have any 1946 01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,360 Speaker 1: meaningful of cuts or teeth, and we'll go along with it. 1947 01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys see Gates or Lauren Bobert 1948 01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:12,040 Speaker 1: going through something that is like kind of obviously a 1949 01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,040 Speaker 1: fake win for the right. So and Trump obviously is 1950 01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,800 Speaker 1: in the background, like yelling at the Republicans to be 1951 01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,559 Speaker 1: tough and stand strong. So I just don't I don't 1952 01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,639 Speaker 1: really know where this goes, which is why I think 1953 01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:27,320 Speaker 1: we're looking at the unilateral options again, but these options 1954 01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,320 Speaker 1: are really not that good. I mean, the coin would 1955 01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,000 Speaker 1: be really really fun to cover and really exciting to 1956 01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,240 Speaker 1: watch happen, and we could debate who would be on 1957 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,839 Speaker 1: it and everything, but I just don't see it happening 1958 01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,680 Speaker 1: for reasons that we can discuss. The primary one is 1959 01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,839 Speaker 1: that if we did one of these so called gimmicks, 1960 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:49,639 Speaker 1: Republicans would immediately denounce the subsequent Treasury auction of debt 1961 01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:54,200 Speaker 1: as illegal, and then investors would demand a substantial risk 1962 01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:57,400 Speaker 1: premium on purchasing US government debt, and we could drive 1963 01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,880 Speaker 1: up our barmbing costs by hundreds of billions of dollars, 1964 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:04,439 Speaker 1: which is a real dramatic downside to going down any 1965 01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:06,919 Speaker 1: of these routes. And even if you believe in their legality, 1966 01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,040 Speaker 1: you have to contend with Supreme Court and Republicans mucking 1967 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,760 Speaker 1: it out after the administration tries it exactly well. I mean, 1968 01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,160 Speaker 1: this is what was sort of revealed in the exchange 1969 01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,840 Speaker 1: with that you had with two of the individuals who 1970 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,200 Speaker 1: have really been sort of thought leaders. I guess behind 1971 01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,240 Speaker 1: the mint the coin idea, which is basically like, okay, 1972 01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,920 Speaker 1: so what happens if you know, the scenario you just 1973 01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:30,920 Speaker 1: discussed unfolds where basically the markets are demanding a risk 1974 01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:34,400 Speaker 1: premium on this debt, or potentially the chargery doesn't accept it, 1975 01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,320 Speaker 1: or it goes to the Supreme Court. In Supreme courts 1976 01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,960 Speaker 1: like no, we're we don't, We're not buying this. What 1977 01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,960 Speaker 1: you do, and they're basically like, ignore the Supreme Court, 1978 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,920 Speaker 1: send the military to the FED and force them to, 1979 01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, to accept the coin. And when you look 1980 01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,960 Speaker 1: at that, you're like, there's no way Joe Biden is 1981 01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,360 Speaker 1: going to ultimately do that, and that, you know, sounds 1982 01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,960 Speaker 1: like that's a lot for the American people to take too, 1983 01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,439 Speaker 1: Like you're going to ignore the Supreme Court and you're 1984 01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,160 Speaker 1: sending troops fed. That's just a lot going on there. 1985 01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:06,680 Speaker 1: So do all of these ideas basically suffer from that 1986 01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:10,040 Speaker 1: same flaw because you know, another one that I had 1987 01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:13,040 Speaker 1: seen floated, I guess most commonly is the idea that 1988 01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:17,919 Speaker 1: you effectively have two laws that are in conflict. Congress 1989 01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,760 Speaker 1: has already appropriated this money and said we are spending it. 1990 01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:22,920 Speaker 1: Here are the things that we're doing, and at the 1991 01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,800 Speaker 1: same time they're saying, but you can't you know, borrow 1992 01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:27,599 Speaker 1: what it takes to spend the money that we already 1993 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,720 Speaker 1: said spent to spend. So you have two things that 1994 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,160 Speaker 1: are just in direct conflict. So in that situation, you 1995 01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,679 Speaker 1: could have the present just say, listen, these I'm getting 1996 01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,919 Speaker 1: conflicting instructions from the Congress. Or the way the government 1997 01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,000 Speaker 1: is going to execute this is we're going to decide 1998 01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:44,839 Speaker 1: to follow what they said in terms of the appropriations process. 1999 01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,880 Speaker 1: Does that still then ultimately suffer from some of the 2000 01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:52,559 Speaker 1: same flaws as the other ideas here? Yeah, I mean 2001 01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,599 Speaker 1: to your point, my sooss in the administration think that 2002 01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,040 Speaker 1: that second route, the one that you identified about just 2003 01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:00,120 Speaker 1: saying these laws are in conflict, we have to pick one. 2004 01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,320 Speaker 1: Let's do the one that doesn't destroy the global economy. 2005 01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,799 Speaker 1: That one seems much more palatable to them. I think, 2006 01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, these are early discussions happening at the White House. 2007 01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,760 Speaker 1: But if we get to a point where we're you know, 2008 01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,679 Speaker 1: this is still months away. Unfortunately, I guess fortunately or unfortunately, 2009 01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:18,920 Speaker 1: depending on how you want to think about it. But 2010 01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,720 Speaker 1: from a reporter's perspective's unfortunately we're gonna do covering this 2011 01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,920 Speaker 1: for months and months. I think that path seems much 2012 01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,200 Speaker 1: more politically feasible. I think the coin strikes people in 2013 01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:35,439 Speaker 1: the White House as kind of ostentatiously out of the box, 2014 01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, sort of so beyond people's expectations, is kind 2015 01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:41,120 Speaker 1: of easy to make fun of and grab hold of, 2016 01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:46,639 Speaker 1: and sort of doesn't have that sort of technical legal veneer. 2017 01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the coin advocates that you reference to would say, 2018 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:55,000 Speaker 1: I think, not unreasonably that at the core these different 2019 01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:59,080 Speaker 1: ideas are not that dissimilar. You're trying to say that 2020 01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,320 Speaker 1: the spending powers, you know, that the debt limit that 2021 01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,720 Speaker 1: Congress has approved is in some way not a valid law, 2022 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,320 Speaker 1: and we need to find a work around. The coin 2023 01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,000 Speaker 1: is obviously more colorful one. But they would say, you know, 2024 01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:11,880 Speaker 1: even if you were to go down the route of 2025 01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,920 Speaker 1: ignoring the Supreme Court, that that that is a usurpation 2026 01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:21,120 Speaker 1: of executive the usurpation of judicial authority and conressional authority, 2027 01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,040 Speaker 1: where the executive is stepping in and asserting is its 2028 01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:27,960 Speaker 1: unilateral power the troops going to the Fed is obviously 2029 01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,120 Speaker 1: a very colorful illustration of what that looks like. But 2030 01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:34,599 Speaker 1: that's really when you're deciding to overturn barbary Us and 2031 01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:37,360 Speaker 1: get rid of the process of judicial review. You are 2032 01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,960 Speaker 1: kind of asserting that you will use the military force 2033 01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,599 Speaker 1: of the White House and the executive over the other 2034 01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:46,559 Speaker 1: branches of government. I just think it's really hard to 2035 01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:50,720 Speaker 1: see the White House ignoring the Supreme Court. I mean, 2036 01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,960 Speaker 1: putting aside the substance of question. This is not the 2037 01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:56,759 Speaker 1: kind of White House that wants to be seen as 2038 01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:00,519 Speaker 1: wildly out of step with American political norms. And even 2039 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,639 Speaker 1: if you think that is totally justified by the law 2040 01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:06,639 Speaker 1: and circumstances, it's just impossible to see them. You know, Biden, 2041 01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:08,720 Speaker 1: the guy who's in the center for forty years, going 2042 01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:12,280 Speaker 1: for something yep. I think you are absolutely spot on 2043 01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:14,760 Speaker 1: with that. And to be clear, I think you're doing 2044 01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:16,439 Speaker 1: the right thing. I think the odds of default ween 2045 01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,200 Speaker 1: the odds of default in twenty eleven, we're high. The 2046 01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,800 Speaker 1: odds of default today are high. Whether we actually get 2047 01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:22,360 Speaker 1: out of it or not, who knows. And you should 2048 01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,840 Speaker 1: continue going, don't listen to people saying that you're playing 2049 01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:26,760 Speaker 1: it up or not just because the consequences of it 2050 01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,680 Speaker 1: are so high, and continue to do your job. 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