1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm in Lazar Lazar. Well, everybody 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: nailed it. He joined us always buy ours, Barak David match. 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bark. Welcome to the 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: Evan Lazar Complaints Hour featuring Alex Barth. I mean Evan 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: doesn't want to talk about football again because he just 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: did for the last week. Anyway, from a week that 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: was tough. What do you want You're gonna open the 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: show complaining again? No, I'm actually gonna do the opposite 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: because everybody else is complaining. Okay, and you can call 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: in and complain some more. That was I don't know 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: how much of unfiltered you heard, Alex. I'm not gonna 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: take offense if you didn't hear any of it. But 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: that was a rough two hours. I heard you going 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: after Jacobe Myers. That's pretty much it. Look I say 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: this and I'm I have I have two takes that 17 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: I want to get off my chest right now and then, 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: and then you can you can tell me I'm wrong. 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: I haven't wait. Have you debuted the other take? No, 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: that one's coming, Okay, We have a take that Evan 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: texted me last night that I'm I told them to 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: wait for the show to debut, and I'm very excited 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: for this because I think it's a great takes. Jealous 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: iid and think of it first, So hang on for that, 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: but let's get the other takes from Jealous. He didn't 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: hear it first, because it does seem like something I 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: would come up. We did hear something first yesterday me. Yeah, yeah, 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: I didn't break it. I broke it to you. That's true. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: That's how I have to operate now, is uh. I'm 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: allowed to text Alex about you know, some of the 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: little birdies that I hear things from. So yesterday, you know, 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: the Patriots signed Juju Smith Schuster. We know that we're 33 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: going to go through all the free and external free 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: agent signings that they've made because I think those are 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: the real ones that people want to know about these 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: new guys, and we all we have takes about all 37 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: of them. But I want to get two things off 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: my chest right away. It was a rough two hours 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: just now, because I think a lot of people are 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: being extremely impatient about this whole process, right They gotta 41 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: do something now. They gotta do something immediate. And I 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: think what shocks me the most is that people are 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: of the opinion that getting a better receiver, which is 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: what I thought we all wanted, was better receivers, right, 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: better weapons, better playmakers for Mac Jones, more explosives, whatever, 46 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: whatever adjective you want to use, better football players for 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: Mac Jones is what we all wanted, right, and in 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: the offense in general and offense as a whole. And 49 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: they went out and they got a better football player 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: and a player that I'm going to start calling player 51 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: a because I think his name alone carries wait for people. 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: I think they hear the name Juju and they remember 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: him dancing on the was the Bengals logo a couple 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: of years ago. Like that, That's where their brain automatically 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: goes through. Because we've gotten so many emails and calls 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: about TikTok and about things that have nothing to do 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: with football. If I told you that the Patriots, we're 58 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: going to get a player who brought a lot of 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: the same skills to the table that Jakobe Myers did, 60 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: but he actually creates with the football in his hands 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: after the catch and is much more dynamic with the 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: football in his hands to actually generate bigger players down 63 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: the field with his yackability. Wouldn't you be happy about that? Like, 64 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: isn't that something that we should all be happy about? 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: And I understand, I am fully on board with the 66 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: take that it's not enough that they need to keep adding, 67 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: and of course they need to keep adding, But I 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: want us all to sit back for a second and 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: evaluate Juju Smith Schuster in Jacoby Meyers out just in 70 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: a vacuum, right, Like, don't think about it from a 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: big picture sense of what's next and what's the next 72 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: domino to fall, because we'll get to that, But just 73 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: comparing the two football players on the field, if you 74 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: are watching those two guys and just just trust your 75 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: eyes for once. Don't look at the fantasy football numbers. 76 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: Don't look at the box score. Can I say, never 77 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: look at the fantasy football numbers when it comes to 78 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: this stuff. Just trust your eyes. Watch Juju Smith Schuster 79 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: move on a football field and watch Jacobe Meyers do 80 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: it side by side, and tell me who you think 81 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: is the more dynamic player, who's the better football player? 82 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: And the other thing. I'll just I'm just so surprised 83 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: that some of the intangible elements of this are starting 84 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: to creep in with people, because since when was that 85 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: good enough? The locker room guy, the scheme fit right, 86 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: like the quarterback's best friend, Like why does that anything 87 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: that matter? Like, I just don't understand why that matters 88 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: so much to people now because all season long, going 89 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: into free agency, all everybody wanted to do was upgrade 90 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: on offense, and now they did that at least in 91 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: this situation, right, And it's all, well, but everybody loves Jacoby. 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: He's a great team I love Jacoby too. He was 93 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: a good teammate. He was fantastic to all of us. 94 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: He was a really great guy. And I am not 95 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: slandering him, I think is the word that you used, right, 96 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to do that. I am simply analyzing football, right, 97 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: football player versus football player, And I'm taking juju all 98 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: day every day. I'll just say on the locker room 99 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: stuff real quick, A lot of the people saying, well 100 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: Willie work in New England were the same people saying 101 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: why did they resign Matthew Slater? Who cares about the leaders? Right? 102 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: You get to pick one or the other. You don't 103 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: get to make both arguments as for Smith Schuster the player, 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: So I'll give you the numbers, and these are the 105 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: per game averages because Jacoby missed some games last year, obviously, right, 106 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: Jacoby and Juju last year catches per game Jacoby four 107 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: point eight, Juju Smith Schuster four point nine yards per 108 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: game Jacoby seven and a half Juju just over fifty 109 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: eight fifty eight point three, So nearly identical now, And 110 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm actually curious to get your opinion on this, so 111 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: I tweeted that out. I didn't add a take. I 112 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: just said, here the numbers from last year, and people 113 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: were furious. But half of the people were furious because, well, 114 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: Jacoby put up those numbers getting number one coverage and 115 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: all of that, and so he clearly had to work 116 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: harder for that. And half the people said, yeah, well 117 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: Juju put up those numbers because Jacoby only put up 118 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: those numbers because there's nobody else to throw too. And 119 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: Juju was the third wide receiver in the offense and 120 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: he gets coverage protection from Travis Kelsey and Mikole Hardman. 121 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: So basically simultaneously had people yelling at me that both 122 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: of their numbers were inflated. Well, here's what I want 123 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: to ask you, because I've personally gone back and forth 124 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: on it, whose numbers are really more inflated there? Personally, 125 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: I trust Juju's numbers more because he's done it in 126 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and he's done it in Kansas City, and it's 127 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: I've seen it before and I think it's replicable. And 128 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is is what I keep going back 129 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: to is that all I wanted from this offseason in 130 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: terms of who they went out and added, was guys 131 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: that could create with the foal oa. So I'm gonna 132 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: get to that in a second, but I wanted to 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: make that point. And the take has been, well, Okay, 134 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: he did that with Patrick Maholmes, can he do it 135 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: with with Mac Jones. It might not look exactly the same, 136 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: but he's also going to have should have significantly more 137 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: opportunities here. Now you're I think, I know this is 138 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: gonna scare some people, but I'm gonna say it anyway. 139 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: There are the way I look at the signing sort 140 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: of reminds me sort of of John H. Smith. And 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: here's why, Evan, we were having this debate. Remember the 142 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: Great Debate of the twenty twenty one off season was 143 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: John Smith or Hunter Henry. And the reason I would 144 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: skittish on John hu Smith was, well, the signing is 145 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: only going to be as impactful as they make it. 146 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: He's a scheme touch guy. They have to put him 147 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: in position to use his best skill sets. Josh McDaniels 148 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: always sort of struggled with that in New England, and 149 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: obviously last year was last year he didn't have an 150 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: offensive coach. This to me is a big This is 151 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: a big I don't want to say show of trust 152 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: because I think they trust him, but like this a 153 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien player. Yeah, this is a guy you are 154 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: bringing in with the idea that Bill O'Brien is going 155 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: to maximize him. So let's see what the usage is 156 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: because if it's what it should be, If O'Brien's gonna 157 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: use him like he's used slot receivers in the past, 158 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: it makes a lot more sense. Because to what you said, 159 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: the yards after catchability that this offense has missed so 160 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: badly since Julian Edelman left. Juju Smith Schuster in theory 161 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: brings that last year six yards per six yards after 162 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: the catch reception that was a career high going back 163 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: to twenty seventeen evan of receivers with at least four 164 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: hundred catches. Juju Smith Schuster is second in the NFL 165 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: in YAK average at five point six yards after the 166 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: catch per reception among all receivers in the NFL since 167 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: he entered the league with at least four hundred catches, 168 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: which is about like fifty sixty catches a year. The 169 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: only guy ahead of him as Cooper Cup, three, four five, 170 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: Chris Godwin, Robert Woods, Tyreek Hill. So you mentioned a 171 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: name in there, and by that's an average, so it's 172 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: not like he's an advantage by playing more games. You 173 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: mentioned a name in there that I am hopeful that 174 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: if Juju smith Schuster reaches his ceiling here in New England, 175 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: that I think his game is most replicable too, was 176 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: a Cooper Cup. No, it's not. I'm not gonna go 177 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: there because I don't want to. I mean, I already 178 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: compared him to John Smith, so you could offset it 179 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: the other way, Chris Godwin, because Chris Godwin and Juju 180 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,119 Speaker 1: to me are both power slots. I feel like Godwin's 181 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: much more speed, though I don't know if he does 182 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: they're similar players, I think, right in terms of they're 183 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: inside guys that are built more like outside guys, but 184 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:16,239 Speaker 1: they're inside players. They have that they don't have jitterbuggy akability. 185 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: They have straight line sort of you know that, ability 186 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: to run through tacklers, right, And power backs, yeah, we're 187 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: running backs. We call them power right. And I'm not 188 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: saying that he's gonna bowl somebody over. I'm saying that 189 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: if you try to dive at him and just bring 190 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: him down with an arm tackle, he's got the contact 191 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: balance and the power to be able to just run 192 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: through that tackle and keep going. Dad's I think what 193 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: I see a lot with Godwin. Now I think with Juju. 194 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned his uses and things like that. What I'm 195 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: optimistic about, why I'm so optimistic about this signing is 196 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: that I think that they're going to use him and 197 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: basically the same way that they use Jacobe Myers. But 198 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: instead of going down at twelve yards, now they have 199 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: the opportunity of, Okay, we're gonna hit him at twelve 200 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: yards and maybe twelve yards becomes twenty five. Right, If 201 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: we can get them loose, maybe those situations end up 202 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: tacking on more. This is a guy that really in 203 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City, and I think you know in Pittsburgh as well. 204 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: He runs a lot of in breaking routes right slants, digs, 205 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: overs or crossing routes if you want to call that call, 206 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: which everyone you want to call it. You know you 207 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: ran a lot of hitches with Kansas City as well, 208 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: just you know, quick hitch routes, you know, over the 209 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: ball routes, things like that. And he's got that ability 210 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: to break a tackle. He's got that ability to shrug 211 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: off a tackle and keep going and pick up some 212 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: extra yards. He also has that ability though at six 213 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: one two fifteen, which we went back back and forth 214 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: with a little bit yesterday, me and you and me 215 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: in deuce running whip routes, right, you know, running the 216 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: quick duke routes that the Patriots are going to run. 217 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: I didn't say he couldn't do it. The one clip 218 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: you picked to highlight it, like there were so many 219 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: more impressive examples, and you were just stuck on this 220 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: one and that only looked impressive because of the camera angle. No, 221 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: he runs by the defender dives at him, and missus 222 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: you need to find the back angle that But that's 223 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: exactly what the defender diving at him and him not 224 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: just going down by the shoe string is an empowerment, 225 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: which is great. But there's also clips where he like 226 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: legitimately breaks tackles. But you said those were flukes. So 227 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: I was just the one against Buffalo as a fluke 228 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: his touchdown against Buffalo. I don't don't there there were 229 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: other education you sent me, and I was like, these 230 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: are so much better. It was just very I agree 231 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: with you, he can break tackles. It was very weird 232 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: how you chose to play it good. Uh, those are 233 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: the types of things that I see with his game 234 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: is that in this offense with Mac Jones and Bill O'Brien, 235 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a timing, rhythm based system. It's 236 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: not going to be bombs away. They're not going to 237 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: be playground Patrick Mahomes, and they're not going to be 238 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: uh you know, no risk it, no biscuit Bruce arians either. Right. 239 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: So they're going to be in living in that five 240 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: to fifteen yard range. And now you have a guy 241 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: that first of all, loves being in that zone short 242 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: to intermediate middle of the field, right the middle of 243 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: the field and give you and gives you some yards 244 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: after the catchability. That to me is is a it's 245 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: a great signing that that's exactly what they have been missing. 246 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: That's exactly what they need now. With that being said, 247 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: I am not sitting here and telling anybody just because 248 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: I like Juju and I like the signing. And you 249 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: know why I like Juju because he's he's a trojan. 250 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: It is I'm a little biased on that one. But 251 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: you hate the Pac twelve, I hate the Pat twelve, 252 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: but I do love USC guys. Anyways, that doesn't mean 253 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: I think that they're done either. Like I'm not sitting 254 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: here saying that, oh, they got Juju, they got the 255 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: number one guy, We're all We're all done sunshines and rainbows. Yeah, 256 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: done right, see you in September. No, they got to 257 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: keep adding. And this is where the the take comes 258 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: in that you mentioned that I mentioned to you yesterday 259 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: off the air of what what do they now go 260 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: out and get to pair with Juju? And I'm talking 261 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: about not names, yes, which we're gonna get you, but 262 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: also just playing style right in the type of receiver, 263 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: because I think that's important and you can call an 264 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: eight five five Pats five hundred web radio Patriots dot 265 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: Com is the email. We already got some callers, so 266 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this take out and kind of set 267 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: the table here on this and then we'll take some 268 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: of these calls and we'll go from there. The main 269 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: thing is to me and now you got Juju. I 270 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: think Hunter Henry is still going to be a part 271 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: of this plan and part a part of the offense. 272 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: I think one of Kendrick Borner, DeVante Parker is probably 273 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: going to emerge. And Tai Kwon's the wild card, right 274 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not counting on anything from Tai Kwon, 275 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: but he's the wild card in this whole, this whole thing. 276 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: So when I look at outside of Tai Kwon, who again, 277 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what he is, so I can't really 278 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: count it at the moment. Outside of Tai Kwon, I 279 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: think the one critique, although I think Juju is a faster, 280 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: more explosive version of Jacoby Myers, the one critique is 281 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: is that I think they still need some speed. They 282 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: still need some speed, especially speed on the outside. And 283 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: the main reason being is that if if Juju is 284 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: gonna live in the middle of the field and we're 285 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: gonna do all these things that I just gushed about 286 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: for the first fifteen minutes. Right, you gotta get the 287 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: safeties off of him. You gotta let him go up 288 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: against slot corners and linebackers and things like that where 289 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: he can win foot races because he's a low four 290 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: or fives guy. He's not a burner, right, He's not 291 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: a fast receiver. So they need to get somebody to 292 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: pair with him that has some vertical element to his 293 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: game and has some field stretching ability. Now, and it's 294 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: like a legitimate threat in that sense, not just like 295 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: a you know, plug not Nelson Nelson agil or not 296 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: Philip Dors, not a plug in play X because and 297 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: this goes back to that conversation we had earlier about oh, 298 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: well he put those numbers up with mahomes and how 299 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: do they maximize that, how do they replicate that? Well, 300 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: first and foremost, you make sure he's getting one on ones. Yeah, 301 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: you talked about the whip routes. Evan. He's going to 302 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: win one on ones if you can get them for him. 303 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: But if this is is a big overarching take I've 304 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: had all offseasons the same reason I don't want them 305 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: taking a tight end in the first round. Right now, 306 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: teams can still just sort of stack the box against 307 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: They're still slow. You need somebody on the outside to 308 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: stretch out that defense horizontally to or yeah, horizontally, either 309 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: way vertically or horizontally. I think horizontally even vertically, like yeah, 310 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: all right, that's fair. But just they can still stack 311 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: the box against you. They can still hone in on 312 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: Juju like they honed in on Jacobe Myers last year. 313 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: And if that's if that's the signing, if that's it 314 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: it's just the upgrade, then they very much didn't do enough. 315 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: So there needs to be another guy and hand up Evan. 316 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: I'll say it, and everybody knows I love this player. 317 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: I've been super high on this player. I still very 318 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: much think he's a great player. But at this point 319 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: or probably done with Jerry Judy. Yeah, he's a slot guy. 320 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: They have their slack guy. This is a good going 321 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: to the boundary. Judy. We got an email and I've 322 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: gotten some replies as well on Twitter about about Jackson 323 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: Smith and Jigbo. Right, I think it's another guy that's 324 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: probably crossed off the list. Now that you have somebody 325 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: like juju jssn jsn out Yeah right, and I think Judy, 326 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: your guy, unfortunately is over like so we both just 327 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: lost our favorite player season. So now the question is 328 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: is who do we want to pivot to. I have 329 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: an opinion on this. I am very excited for you. 330 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't think people are really going to like it. 331 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: They're not ready for it. They're not ready for something. 332 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: They're gonna like it because everybody wants the big move 333 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: for the number one receiver. The guy that we can 334 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: go buy is Jersey, right. That's what I keep hearing 335 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: from all of our listeners, which who I love. By 336 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: the way, I'm just being sassy. You know what, you 337 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: know what the Patriots. Let me set this up for 338 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, if the Patriots are overdue for this soft season. 339 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about the Patriots are checking Bingo or they've 340 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: done this move and now move. It's all typical Patriots move. 341 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, reunion, reunion, the reunion move. Yeah. 342 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: So what did I mention before? It was that they 343 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: that needs that would be a good pairing a vertical 344 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: receiver some speed on the outside, some legitimate speed, and 345 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: not only just so that they can hit some big 346 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: plays down the field because that would be fun, but 347 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: also because they need to be able to clear out 348 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, right, Like they need to 349 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: be able to get Juju and Hunter Henry, who I 350 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: think is going to be a part of this. Like 351 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: I keep saying, they need to get those guys some 352 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: space in some breathing room so that they can go 353 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: and do their things. I am willing to open that 354 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: door up for Taekwon, like Taikwon should have that door 355 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: wide open, so give the chance to win that job. Correct, 356 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: because people have guessed you're taken the chat, so they 357 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: can stretch the field. The guy, yeah, because you said 358 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: he was a reunion. The guy that I look at 359 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: that that I gravitated towards yesterday that I'm like, this 360 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: makes all the sense in the world. Is Brandon Cooks. Yeah, 361 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: Because Brandon Cooks love brings all of those elements that 362 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: I just mentioned. They have size, they have power with 363 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: the other guys, right Parker and Juju and to Henry 364 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: and those guys, they bring all of those elements. Six three. 365 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: I know he's not big, but he's there any game 366 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: breaking speed, Yes, And I think Brandon Cooks is a 367 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: guy that probably isn't going to garner the trade demands 368 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: that Judy or DeAndre Hopkins, who I think DeAndre Hopkins 369 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: is the one guy that's like, it's DeAndre Hopkins. Like, 370 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and be upset if they 371 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: make him for DeAndre Hopkins. But to be honest, he's 372 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: kind of slower too, right, He's not like a known 373 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: as a burner by any means. That's not his game. Yeah, 374 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: he stretches a field with contested catches, right, but that's 375 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: not that's not his game. So I look at this 376 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: and I say this dropping Brandon Cooks in to this 377 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: offense and then hedging that with Taikwon right, like having 378 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: Taikwon b plan bah and maybe learning something or thinker 379 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: two from Brandon Cooks who has basically the same skill 380 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: set as he does and has just been more proven 381 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: with it in the league. It is a move that 382 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: I could definitely see them entertaining making what and I 383 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: think that that's the exact type of receiver that they 384 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: need the draft. I struggle in the draft now a 385 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: little bit because I don't know if the right guy 386 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: at the top of the draft at the fourteenth overall 387 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: pick it is. There's not in this one now. Quintin Johnston, 388 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: we both have been on the record. I think about 389 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: being luke warm on Clinton Johnson. I you know, Deuce 390 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: have the take on Unfiltered. I don't disagree with him 391 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: that it makes a little bit more sense now sure, 392 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: just because of the type of receiver that Juju is 393 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: to pair him with somebody that big, explosive outside receiver 394 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: like Quintin Johnston, But I still don't love it. I 395 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: don't think that Zay Flowers is a natural outside receiver either. 396 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: I think he's an inside guy that can play both 397 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: inside and outside, but ideally is more of an inside player. 398 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, that's the guy that I can see. You 399 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: need to have different types of skill sets. You need 400 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: to have a complimentary skill set to Juju, Smith Schuster, 401 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: and I'm hard pressed to find one on the open 402 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: market that gives you better than Brandon, because I don't 403 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: want to get into a position where he got a 404 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: bunch of slower contested catch guys right like you're just 405 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: gouning on the field, stretching element coming from you know, 406 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: DeVante Parker winning a fifty fifty ball, or even te 407 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Higgins winning a fifty fifty ball. I think you got 408 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: to have some guys that can run through a defense 409 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: and Brandy pass the defense really and that's what Cooks 410 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: can do. And yeah, it's a good take. Again, I 411 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: don't you know, maybe as Flowers the guy. Yeah, but 412 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: I don't love using the fourteenth pick on a guy 413 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: you're instantly going to play out of position. I wonder 414 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: if Quinton Johnson has that kind of speed, and there's 415 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: also a learning curve there. I mean, at that point, 416 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: realistically in the draft last year, where does Quinton Quinton 417 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: Johnston go in last year's class. Yeah, I think he's 418 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: he's probably still an end of the first round guy, 419 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: but he does have a little bit of like Treylon 420 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: Burke's in his game. I think my point is, like 421 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna look at it well, because what I'm gonna 422 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: say is basically at that point, just go with Tai Kwon, right, 423 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: people are gonna look at it, well, it's the fourteenth 424 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: pick verse the fiftieth pick. What's the fourteenth pick in 425 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: one of the weakest wide receiver classes in years versus 426 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: the fiftieth pick and one of the strongest wide receiver 427 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: classes in years. At that point, you're gonna have the 428 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: same issues. I'm not necessarily saying Tai Kwon's definitely better 429 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: player than Quinton Johnston, but you're gonna have the exact 430 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: same question marks. Yeah, right about developing and development or 431 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: even just like bigger picture, right development, taking that next step. 432 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: Can he handle number one NFL coverage? Things like that, 433 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: So at that point it's redundant. I would like to 434 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: see him get a veteran in that field stretching role. 435 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: I see a ton of people bringing it up in 436 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: the chat, so I'm just gonna mention it. The play 437 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: in the Eagles Super Bowl, he made one dumb play 438 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks did, and it was a dumb play. He's 439 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: also a thousand yard receiver that year. He's been a 440 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver for most of his careers, despite jumping 441 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: from team to team to team, which is not easy. 442 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks him playing with some iffy quarterbacks if he's nice. 443 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks has been pretty much his entire time in 444 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: the NFL one of the most underrated receivers in the NFL. Yeah, 445 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean I've long been a fan of his, but like, 446 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a great take I think Brandon Cooks 447 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: just he helps you in the ways that I outlined, 448 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: But I also just I love the idea of not 449 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: putting the pressure on Tai Kwon to be Brandon Cooks 450 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: right away. You get actual Brandon Cooks for a year 451 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: or two in here. Then maybe Tai Kwon takes the 452 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: torch right eventually, and that's what you hope for the 453 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: only other guy that and then well, and then i'd 454 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: say if and then if you want to go later 455 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: in the draft, right Ronnie Bell, Bryce Ford Wheaton, Justin Shorter, 456 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: like one of these ex guys later in the draft, 457 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: then you do that. Maybe you find something there, But 458 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: it's just I just think draft and Quinn Johnson fourteens 459 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: would be so redundant. Yeah, it's it's not my favorite 460 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: approach either. I like the Brandon cookstraight. I think the 461 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: only other guy that comes some mine, it's probably my 462 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: favorite for this, and I think it's their favorite for it. 463 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: And that's just a hunch. I'm not I'm not trying 464 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: to report anything here, so don't don't come at me 465 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: if this doesn't end up happening. But I do think 466 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: that their preference would be Odell Beckham junior. I mean 467 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: that would be ideal. Yet because I from what I 468 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: have been able to gather about their pursuiting free agency, 469 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: is that they would rather and I think this is 470 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: you understand why they would rather not part with draft 471 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: capital and salary cap. Sure, so if they can go 472 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: out and get a guy like Odell as a free 473 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: agent that they just have to pay and they're not 474 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: giving up Bowl compared to Guy Hopkins. I think Hopkins 475 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: their Judy or you know, Cooks even is probably going 476 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: to be a third or fourth round pick and then 477 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars in base salary. So Odell. Now, the 478 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: things I've heard about Odell going back to last year, 479 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: so Odell was telling people last year that he wanted 480 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: to play for the As Like even when she was 481 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: still in Cleveland, he was telling people that he wanted 482 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: to play for the Rams. So nobody in his circle 483 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: was surprised at all when he signed with the Rams 484 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: when he was released by the Browns last season. But 485 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: the one thing that you hear from odell side of 486 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: things is that he more I would actually say that 487 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: maybe even more so than the money that's been out there, 488 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: that he wants that twenty million dollar a year figure. 489 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: I think that he wants to play with an established 490 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: veteran quarterback, right And the big rumor right now is 491 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: that you know Dak and the Cowboys. The Cowboys are 492 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: really interested in Odell, are making a push for Odell, 493 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: so that would make sense. So you know, with Dak Prescott, 494 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: I think he's always had an affinity for maybe playing 495 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes. So you're gonna have 496 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: to sell Odell. And my guess is is sell him 497 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: financially on coming to New England and pairing up with 498 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: Mac Jones on the fact that you're paying with Mac 499 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: Jones instead of Patrick Mahomes, right, And so that's going 500 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: to have to come with compensation, Like you're gonna have 501 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: to overpay him a little bit. You're gonna have to 502 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: be the highest bidder on the market for Odell, I 503 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: think to get Odell, and I don't know if that. 504 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll do that. So that's why 505 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: I think they might have to pivot. But I think 506 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: between Odell and Brandon Cooks, those are that's my wish list. 507 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: The two guys. Can I throw out an idea of 508 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: how they might do that? Yes, even if it's not 509 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: total dollars, and look, they need to be competitive in 510 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: total dollars. The Chiefs who the other teams you mentioned, 511 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: you wan't do like three teams taks, right, these are 512 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: teams that are well, Dallas isn't the contender, but they 513 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: think they're contender. The Chiefs are actually contender Dallas with 514 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: Odell and Ceedee Lamb. All right, that's fair. The point 515 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: being like, these are teams that are not going to 516 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: give a thirty year old receiver coming off multiple ACL 517 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: tears a multi year deal, right because they can't afford 518 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: to get bogged down by that contract if his knee 519 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: isn't healthy, and you know, they gotta look elsewhere because 520 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: they want to pursue a title. The Patriots, and look, 521 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: Beckham's good, probably gonna want multiple year ideally, Yes, if 522 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: he go I don't think he can get that and 523 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: go to a contender. I agree with you to me 524 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: the Patriots, Edges, do you guarantee him money over multiple years? Now? 525 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: That's obviously incredibly risky. Yeah, might be an I know 526 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: would be a lot of non starter for people who 527 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: are listening and playing armchair GM. It might be a 528 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: non starter. For the Patriots. But they're not going to 529 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: compete by giving him a one year contract. They're just 530 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: I think, even if it's the most money, because of 531 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: one year contract is a reset contract. He's trying to 532 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: reset his value and then go get a big deal 533 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: next year. He's gonna do that in Kansas City, He's 534 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: more so than he's gonna do it here. You have 535 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: to give him the multi year deally to open and 536 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: get next year. It doesn't mean five years, two or three, right, 537 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: But if the Patriots are to compete to me, that's 538 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: how they compete for Odell Beckham is multiple years that like, 539 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: and not just multiple years but oh we're going to 540 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: frontload all the guaranteed money. No, Like, he's here for 541 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: two years, right, you have to give him the contract 542 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: that When Adam Schefter tweets out that Odell signed with 543 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots, he gets to to gloat about that he 544 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: hit the number, right, Like it has to be a 545 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: three year full value max value of around sixty million. Yeah, 546 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: and because he wants I don't know if I don't 547 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: have that information that he wants the twenty million a year, 548 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: but I think that that's the number that has been 549 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: floated out there that he wants to try to hit, 550 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: and that certainly tells you what every everybody wants twenty million. 551 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: I think it's just a benchmark guy's use. Odell got 552 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: the bag right, like that's what he wants to I 553 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: think the narrative to be based off of what's been 554 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: out there and what's been reported. So if that's the case, 555 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: I personally I would do something like that because I 556 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: think the Patriots are in a position where they they 557 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: need to go for it in that respect, right they 558 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: they need to make a swing at one of these 559 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: guys and finally pay up for They got Juju really 560 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: on a on a good deal. You know, they got 561 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 1: Juju on a nice on a nice contract, good player 562 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: that they got on a nice deal. They didn't overpay 563 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: for Juju. They got him right where they in a 564 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: team friendly manner. So I think if they're gonna get Odell, 565 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to overpay. I think if they want 566 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: to just maybe go with somebody that's a little bit 567 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: outside the box, and maybe it isn't the big name necessarily, 568 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: like a DeAndre Hopkins like an Odell, I think Brandon 569 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: Cooks might end up being their guy. All right, let's 570 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: let's take some calls. We're also gonna get to some 571 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: of the other moves that they made over the last 572 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: couple of days. But Tony and Canada, Tony, thanks for 573 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: hanging on. How you doing, Tony? Tony? Oh no, not Tony. 574 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: All right, Tony callback in and we'll get you on 575 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: the air. What's up, Patty? How you doing? What's up? Guys? Hey? Um? 576 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: First off, I gotta say last week, last week's show, 577 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: when you called um Alex and he called Evan the 578 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: ponytail guy from Goodwill Hunting and then dropped the freaking uh, 579 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: it's always sunny reference. I was like, this, this show's awesome. 580 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: He is, though, isn't he like? Was I wrong? No, 581 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: not at all. I haven't seen that movie in like 582 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: fifteen years. Movie. I don't even know if I get 583 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: the reference anymore like I do because I send you 584 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: the scene. I texted you the scene after I made reference. 585 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: Any Sorry, No, that's sorry, um, But Evan, you know, 586 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: I like, which did you did? They don't let anyone 587 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: give you a crap, But I just wanted to bring 588 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: up it wasn't John vandis it was whoever he was 589 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: doing the show with yesterday who brought up how's eighth 590 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: flowers might actually be like the perfect And I know 591 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: you guys just brought him up, um perfect wide receiver 592 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: to compliment you, Drew Smith, you Schooster and that way. 593 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you're using a draft asset, but you're not 594 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: giving it away. You're actually, you know, given that guy 595 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: at least four years here in the system to see 596 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: what he can do. And I'm sorry for the background noise, guys, 597 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: but I just wanted to get your opinions on that 598 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: instead of just going to free agent Roum. Yeah, so 599 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: thanks for the call, Patty. As always, I do like Zay. 600 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: If I like Brandon Cooks at the pairing with with Juju, 601 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: then I can see it was a two. Z has 602 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: some really good film on the outside at BC where 603 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: he's maybe a little bit better out there than people 604 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: give him credit for. I think on verticals, right, double moves, 605 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, just straight go balls, things like that. But 606 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: his size five nine one eighty it definitely projects a 607 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: little bit better to thee But I think he can 608 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: play off of Juju nicely, Like I do think that 609 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: that's a nice route to go. We come back to 610 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: the same thing we've come back to was a Flowers, 611 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: who I think I'm gonna go see next week at 612 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: BC's Pro Day. By the way, we come back to 613 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: the same thing was constantly is fourteen too rich for Za? Flowers? 614 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: Is the fourteenth overall pick? Is he worth the fourteenth 615 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: overall pick? Because I I can't sit here and say 616 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: that I like Brandon Cooks pairing with Juju and say 617 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: that I don't like Zay flowers Is pairing with Juju, 618 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: because I think those guys are very similar games. I 619 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: actually think it's the Zay Flowers, maybe not quite the 620 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: deep threat that that Brandon Cooks is, but is better 621 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: with the football in his hands and is a better 622 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: react guy. But regardless, what do you think about Zay? 623 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 1: And again it comes to bottom. They're not gonna get 624 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: him at forty six, So if they're gonna pick him, 625 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be in the first round. Yeah, I wonder 626 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: about him beating press in the NFL. That's the one 627 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: thing I worry about because if he can't get off 628 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: the line, that field stretching doesn't matter, right, And yeah, 629 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: he has some really good reps against press, but they're 630 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: so the sample sizes it's really small. And I mean 631 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: Gicon also had some really good reps against Press by 632 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: the way too, so right, and like against who the 633 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: ACC was terrible this year, yeah, you know, I mean 634 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: last year guys like Andrew Booth, right, but even clems 635 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: In it a down year at Corner. So I just 636 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: they could do it, like I could see it. But 637 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily the best path to get 638 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: where they need to be. It's not incorrect path, yeah, 639 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's the best path to get 640 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: where they need to be. No. I know that the 641 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: forty time like doesn't doesn't really shouldn't matter that much 642 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: to me. It's it doesn't. But him only running a 643 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: four four two that I think he put on the 644 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: weight for good reason. But I think that if he 645 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: hadn't put on the weight and he came to the 646 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: combine at one seventy, which was what he was at 647 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, I think Zay probably runs into four 648 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: three's and we're not I'm not necessarily as hung up 649 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: on that, but four or fourth two is good speed. 650 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: It's above average speed. It's seventy five fifth percentile speed, 651 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: but it's not sure. It's not ninetieth percentile speed. Right, Like, 652 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't have Taikon speed. He doesn't even have you know, 653 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: Brandon Cook speed. So that's just something to think about 654 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: about the vertical elements in the press coverage. Like you said, 655 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: all right, fly through these. Another UK caller shutters in 656 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: the UK we got a couple of these today. Hey, 657 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: I'll stop with I'll apologize and you can laugh at 658 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: this line league, But overthinking this one, I suspect I 659 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: liked the way that you guys sort of ended just 660 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: then saying, hey, look, quarterback is not a position the 661 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: parts are going to be looking at this year, this draft. 662 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: That's not one thing we looking ahead as you know, 663 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: by the end of the year pretty much one way 664 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: or the other, they're going to have to have made 665 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: a decision about mac. Are you going to look to 666 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: keep from the fifth year you're thinking that he's beyond 667 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: that or be looking for something else? So I guess 668 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: the question I've got because whilst I watched some college football, 669 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm not as up on my knowledge of that looking 670 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: ahead to the draft next year, how strong generally, how 671 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: strong is that quarterback draft meant to be? Now? The 672 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: reason I say that it is not because I wouldn't 673 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: start throwing names at me for Haynes, it's the one 674 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: that could be looking at But it's more odd if 675 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: Bill's looking at it and going, hey, next year, we're 676 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: going to have to make a decision a quarterback. The 677 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: draft isn't that strong. Could we be in a position 678 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: with looking back and saying, hey, if we've made a 679 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: decision last year, we could have got Lamar. And again 680 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I want to sign Lamar now, but 681 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: are they this year? The waptions maybe available next year 682 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: and could those be considerations potentially make on pulling the 683 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: trigger earlier than it's maybe needed. Yeah, it's it's a 684 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: fair question. Tarris, thanks for the call and shout out 685 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: to the friends across the pond. But so the question 686 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: basically is is the is the quarterback class and the 687 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: quarterback market going to get better than it is right now? 688 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: The class? Certain, look, it's quarterbacks right, Quarterbacks the hardest 689 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: position to project moving forward, especially now with the transfer 690 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: portal and guys move around and guys have more incentive 691 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: to stay. But so everybody looks at this cloud, Oh 692 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: it's good, it's a good class. There's there's four quarterbacks 693 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: that go in the top ten. First off, one of 694 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: them shouldn't. And Will Levis, I think he's gonna get overdrafted. 695 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad you didn't say Anthony Richards. Oh no, I'm 696 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: a big fan of like we've we've done Anthony rich 697 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his. We'll see. I love 698 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: his upside um. But there's four quarterbacks you should go 699 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: on the top ten, one of them shouldn't. Then there's 700 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: only two other quarterbacks. We're gonna go in the top 701 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: one fifty. Yeah, like it's not there's no depth here. 702 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: And by the way, I would say, most of those 703 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: guys who are of those top three, they're not the 704 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: first overall pick, or some of them might have been 705 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: the first overall pick last year, they're not the year 706 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: before that, and they wouldn't be next year, right like 707 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. We don't have a consensus number one Quarterback's 708 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: a tough quarterback class because there is no middle class. 709 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 1: Right I look at next year and I know he said, 710 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: don't throw out names, solid restrain myself, But like next 711 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: year's class, there were The reason there's no middle of 712 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: the quarterback class this year is because all of those 713 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: guys stayed in school. Grayson McCall, kJ, Jefferson, Jackson Dart 714 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: stayed in school. They could have come out. They didn't. 715 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: Next year, everybody said, oh, just draft Jalen Hurts. Just 716 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: go get the athletic quarterback in the second round like 717 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: the Eagles did. None of those guys are in this class. 718 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: They're all there next year. So next year is a 719 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: much stronger class for quarterbacks. It's a better class than 720 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: the draft for quarterbacks. Alex, you've been doing this with 721 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: me since Lamar's rookie season. I think you know how 722 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: much I love Lamargin and my opinion has changed, you 723 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: know how much. You know, Yeah, you know, he's one 724 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: of my favorite players in the league. I just I 725 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around that being a move that 726 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: this organization would make. I'm not saying it's a move 727 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: that they shouldn't like. I'm all on board with it. 728 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: The only guy, let me put it to you this way, 729 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: the only guy that because I like Mac too. I 730 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: don't want people to take it that I'm out on Mac. 731 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: But just because if it's a clear obvious upgrade, it's 732 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: a guy who's won an MVP, then you do it, right, 733 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: it's the same thing about you know we did this 734 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: months ago. Well, if Brady's a free agent, would you 735 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: take him back? Yeah? Oh so you hate Mac? No, Yeah, 736 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: but he's Tom Brady, right, it's Lamar Jackson is in 737 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: that category for me of Okay in this case, yeah, absolutely, 738 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: I think that you go and you you would make 739 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: a move like that, would they? I don't think so. 740 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: And I do think it's fair to look at the 741 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and look at Mac Jones and give it one 742 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: more year and yeah into year four now where they 743 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: will have to make a decision on the fifth year 744 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: option next May. Maybe that's when you go and you 745 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: make that that Jalen Hurts picked that everybody wants them 746 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: to do in this draft cycle. The only guy that's 747 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: in that middle classic quarterback right now and this class 748 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: is maybe Hooker. But Hooker is hurt and older. Yeah, 749 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: there's really not a ton of upside with him. Like 750 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: he'll come in and be pretty good, but I don't 751 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: think there's ton of upside with him. All right, Dan 752 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: and chest un Hill. Dan, you must have seen Zay 753 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: Flowers a few times? Hey, Um, So, as much as 754 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: I want to quote about day Flowers, and as much 755 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: I love him, I had a different idea that I 756 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: wanted to ruin yours. So there's been a lot of 757 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: talk about like Jerry Judy, and obviously we know the 758 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: Patriots are just never gonna give up like significant draft 759 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: capital for a receiver and then want to have to 760 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: pay him. Um, But what are the odds we like 761 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: trade Kendrick Bourne per se instead of I know he's 762 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: not worth like a first rounder, but like how far 763 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: would he go in like contributing to a trade. I 764 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: actually liked the idea that Dan's proposing, which is thanks 765 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: for the call, Dan, what if instead of giving up 766 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 1: all that draft capital, you also tack a player onto 767 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: the trade and it's maybe a second round pick and 768 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne instead of just a first round pick for 769 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy. We talked about it briefly. I guess we 770 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: could talk about a little bit more. There's an emailer here, 771 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: Alex also, you know asking why why not d Hop? Right? 772 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: Why are we out on d Hop? Now? I wouldn't 773 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: say I'm out on d Hop. I think the Hop 774 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: is too talented. It's kind of similar to the Lamar 775 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: Jackson thing, where it's it's DeAndre Hopkins, right, Like, if 776 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: you could get DeAndre Hopkins, you get DeAndre Hopkins. I 777 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: don't think that's dials and things like that are a 778 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: big concerned with Judy's style is a concern to me. 779 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: With with Juju, I think that those guys would have 780 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: a ton of rout tree overlap, Like you know, both 781 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: guys I think really are power slots, really belong in 782 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: the middle of the field or running in breakers over 783 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: the middle between the numbers. Both good yak guys for 784 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: their size and for their skill set, there better after 785 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: the catch than you would expect. So I don't know 786 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: if I see the fit anymore for Judy, who we 787 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: both really like as a player, But I think they 788 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: might be redundant. Yeah, it's redundant. Again. You need somebody 789 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: who's going to play outside the numbers, who's gonna keep 790 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 1: defenses honest out there, and it's could Jerry Judy do that? Maybe, 791 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna give up what a cost to 792 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: get him, give it up to get a true outside 793 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: receiver instead of having God change positions. Like yeah, because 794 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: Judy's played on the outside, he's done it. He can 795 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: do it. But it's like he's a part of his 796 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 1: value as his formational versatility. Yeah, and I think it's 797 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: just you're playing. Both of those guys are zes. They're 798 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: bow Z receivers. Neither one of them is a true 799 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: X Juju played some reps at the X last year 800 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: in Kansas City just because he has a versatility to 801 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: play forty percent of his snaps on the outside. But 802 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: he's a sixty percent slot receiver throughout his career. He's 803 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: he's a slot guy. And all I was gonna add 804 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: something and I lost my train of thought. Well, we 805 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: can take this call. You'll get it back. Yeah, what's up, Mark, 806 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: Hey you're on the air. Oh great? Hum. So I'm 807 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: a proposed I won't give up. I won't even probably 808 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: give one. Um. I think that Brandon Cook is worth discussing. 809 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: If it's not e uh, you know, if it's a 810 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: three but a great, I think that's gonna and that 811 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: we on the top four. That's on UM push on 812 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: too here. I think I think the front of the 813 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: prop of wide receiver is ze blot um but required 814 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: all outside and maybe might get out of the definitely, 815 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: and then you wouldn't have to pray for him. You 816 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: could get him right of forty, and I do believe 817 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: Type one step up. But then you got Type one outside, 818 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,800 Speaker 1: you got two outside, and you've got two new dynamic 819 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: young flot coming at in the thirties. Okay, where do 820 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: you think? Okay, Mark, thanks for the car. I think 821 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: I got like half. I think we were able to 822 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: piece together. Your photo was going in and out there 823 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: a little bit. You you're gonna have to translate. So 824 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: at fourteen, I think he was talking tackles all right, Okay, 825 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: I mean on that I'm not sure, but that's where 826 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to go anyway, So I's gonna take us there. 827 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 1: I regret I remember when I was going to say 828 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: before though. Okay, But the other thing that he was 829 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: mentioned that I think was like the pure slot guys 830 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: that are in the draft. You know, Jay said, say, Flowers, 831 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: I think you mentioned Josh Downs. Yeah, and I heard 832 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: him say play Juju on the outside. Yeah, that's not so. 833 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: But I do think that they to his point to 834 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, I do think that there is still that 835 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: potential of that Danny m and Dola Edelman style slot, 836 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: right welcome style slot that maybe you know, Juju's intermediate, 837 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: that guy's short and then you have a deep guy 838 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: like I think that that could work in theory, So 839 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't totally rule out a player like that, 840 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 1: but I think that that that skill set is now 841 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: something that if they want it is probably better suited 842 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: in a day three type of pick. Right. I don't 843 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: think you're they necessarily should be looking at the Josh 844 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: downs Is of the world and who I like a lot. Yeah, 845 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's necessarily the right use 846 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: of that asset, knowing that Juju is gonna play so 847 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: much on the inside. But if you want to talk 848 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: to me, and I've grown on this player a Charlie Jones, like, say, 849 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 1: if you want to talk to me and I can't 850 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: believe you, like Charlie Jones is excellent, the kid from 851 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,360 Speaker 1: Liberty that we saw at the Tomorroo Douglas. Yeah, like, 852 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: if you want to talk to me into some of 853 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: those Jared, Sure, I think rickim Jared's more of like 854 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 1: a vertical slot than like a true jitterbug. Okay, but yeah, 855 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: but still like if you want to talk me into 856 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, showing him on the TV behind us, like 857 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: Hunter Renfros of the world, Right, like, I think that 858 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: that guy still has a place in this offense, and 859 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: that might not necessarily be Juju's game. But what were 860 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 1: you going to say? Uh to the last callers point, 861 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: I would not trade Kendrick Born right now? Okay, his 862 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,839 Speaker 1: value could not be lower. That's fair, Like you sat 863 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: him all last year just to trade him when he 864 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: was an incredibly tradeable asset last summer. Keep him, see 865 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: what you can get out of him. You're just not 866 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna get what he's worth. Yeah, that's that's a fair point, 867 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: all right, Nick, and Rhode Island, and then we're gonna 868 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about these free agent tackles and the 869 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: other guys that they signed. But what's up Nick? Hey, guys, 870 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: how ares so? I called? A couple of weeks ago, 871 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,479 Speaker 1: I brought up Cody Mock. I will mention him again, 872 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: but really quick, what was Andre Dillard projected to start 873 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: at left tackle if we were to get him? That's 874 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: my first part of this question, if they were going 875 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: to pay him that kind of money, and yeah, and 876 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: then probably Trent back to the right side. Yeah yeah, okay, 877 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: So then we're then Anderson's a downgrade then, correct? I 878 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: think in the eyes of the league, certainly, but we're 879 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: going to get to a little bit more of an 880 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,879 Speaker 1: Anderson breakdown here in this say, I don't I don't 881 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: know how much of a downgrade OWT is honestly. Okay, Well, 882 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: I guess my question to preface from that was to me, 883 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: this draft, the sweet spot is like twenty five to fifty. 884 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: So this is based on like the million pff mocks 885 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: raps I've done. But because of that, I just wonder 886 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: we should trade down. I just think we should double 887 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: dip at the tackle with like the interior guy. So 888 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys think of Matthew berger On. 889 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: I think, you know, he didn't stand out to me 890 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: initially when I watched him, but he's got really good strength, 891 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: upper body strength. He's really like holding people off. I 892 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: was really impressed by his tape. And then somehow it's 893 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: either Cody Mock or someone else we got to get 894 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: like if our you know, if a lot of offensive talent, 895 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: you know what the skill positions in this draft. I 896 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: think the way you make everybody better is just to 897 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: get a great line. So why not doubled it early? 898 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: That's my question? Guess. Yeah, so that perfect segue for 899 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: us Nick and I've just quickly Bergion's a guy that's 900 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: grown on me a little bit too. He measured in 901 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: a little bit longer and a little bit taller at 902 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: the combine. I thought I thought he really was going 903 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: to measure in like a guard, and he has a 904 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: little bit more length that he can play tackle potentially 905 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 1: in the league. He's somebody's that's grown on me. But 906 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: I've heard a lot and the contracts came out this 907 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: morning for or was actually last night. I think some 908 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: people had him Riley. Riley Reefs contract basically guarantees a 909 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: a roster spot like that's yeah, that's for one year, 910 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: five million, four and change guaranteed, Yeah, with something to 911 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 1: make a decent amount of money. And by the way, uh, 912 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: they'd only open up. It's less than a million's like 913 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand if they called him. Yeah, so he's 914 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: making the team. He's probably making the team. I think 915 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that the contract makes 916 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: him a lock to make the roster. Yeah. In terms 917 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: of starting, though, I have a lot of reservations. I 918 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: do not like the idea of Riley Reef being you're 919 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 1: starting right tackle for the season. Now, if he's your 920 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: starting right tackle for the first month, because you know, 921 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,399 Speaker 1: they draft Darnel Washington and they Darnel right, excuse me, Yeah, 922 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: well they could. We were past Darnel Washington being a 923 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: tackle ever, dar Darnel Washington probably play right tackle too, 924 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,399 Speaker 1: but yeah, four, he's run of four to six. Yeah, 925 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 1: Darnel right. If they draft him, you know, they find 926 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: a way to get him in the second round or 927 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: something like that, right, and he's not one hundred percent 928 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,439 Speaker 1: ready to throw him to the fire in Week one, 929 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: and they want Riley Reef to be a very very 930 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: brief bridge to the future at that spot, then I'm 931 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: okay with that. But counting on a thirty four year 932 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,760 Speaker 1: old Riley Reef to start seventeen games and hopefully seventeen 933 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: plus games for you next year is asking a lot 934 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: of that player. And I agree. I think that they're 935 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: gonna that contract tells me he's gonna make the team, 936 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: he's gonna compete to start. He would be deep as 937 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: they are, and there's still some guys that have to 938 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: signed contracts, so this might come down. But as of today, 939 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: he is tied is the fifteenth highest paid right tackle 940 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: in football. That's the top half is I just look 941 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,439 Speaker 1: so but here's the thing, So I have this long 942 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,839 Speaker 1: run long running it's like two years. But basically since 943 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: Macrow took over, right, no long running? Take oy one. Yeah, 944 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,879 Speaker 1: their first round draft pick, throw out positional value they took. 945 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: They addressed the biggest hole in the depth chart. It 946 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,280 Speaker 1: was quarterback. Last year, what did they do they addressed 947 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,879 Speaker 1: the biggest hole on the depth chart it was guard? Yeah, 948 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: what's the biggest hole in the depth chart right now? 949 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: Evan question out? They signed Juju? Which tackle? I think 950 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: it's clear they see Trent as on the left side. Yeah, 951 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: I guess because of the guys that this reef. You 952 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 1: know who's back in play. You know he's really in 953 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: play now, Dwan Jones he is? He is. You take 954 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: Duwan Jones at fourteen and if he needs time time 955 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, it's Riley Reef. But yeah, if they follow 956 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,280 Speaker 1: that pattern that day, and look, it's not as obvious 957 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: this year as it was the last couple of years. 958 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: You could make an argument the biggest hole is free safety. 959 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,720 Speaker 1: Although they met with Taylor Rap today, so if he signed, 960 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: sends it, they're gonna go. I think they're gonna be 961 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: a safety by committee. Okay, so but again, like just 962 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 1: just to play the exercise out, you can make an 963 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: argument it's free safety. I don't think it is because 964 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: the committee thing. And then if they signed Taylor Rapp, 965 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: that's that's it. It's a rap. I was trying to 966 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: avoid saying that. You could make an argument that the 967 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,240 Speaker 1: biggest hole on the depth chart is at boundary receiver. 968 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: But again, they just drafted Tae Kwon. I think think 969 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,399 Speaker 1: him a shot. Also if they had a veteran there, 970 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: that leaves us with right tackle, yeah, or just tackle 971 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: in general. Because I heard a lot of this yesterday, 972 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: and I know I've had to spend the whole offseason 973 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 1: saying Duan Jones is my favorite player in this draft, 974 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: but he doesn't make sense for the Patriots. Finally, the 975 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: tables of turns, so Reef in Calvin Anderson, go over 976 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: those two guys a little bit, and then we'll get 977 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: to James Robinson before we wrap as well. Reef worries 978 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: me a lot that they gave him that money, because 979 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: I really thought they looked at him and they thought 980 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: good locker room guy, good leadership quality. He has that 981 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: that snarl or that competitiveness that you like at that position. 982 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: The Bears really talked about him as somebody who was 983 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,800 Speaker 1: great for the locker room and was sort of a 984 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 1: tone setter for their running game. Right. He really brought 985 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: that kind of lunch pail attitude, get your hard hat on. 986 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,760 Speaker 1: But at the same time, when I watched him on film, 987 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: his foot speed and his ability to protect his edge 988 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,399 Speaker 1: has really declined. And you're talking about having a very 989 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 1: I texted you this earlier, a very very shallow pocket, right, 990 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: Like you're not going to be able to drop to 991 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,320 Speaker 1: eight ten yards, you know, eight to ten yards with 992 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: him playing right tackle. He had a lot of trouble. 993 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: I watched that game last year that he started in 994 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: against Minnesota. You know, Daniel Hunter and those guys coming 995 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: off his edge, and you know, speed rushers coming off 996 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: the edge. He had a lot of trouble getting to 997 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: that landmark and getting to that set point and being 998 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: able to protect that pocket. So I think he's good 999 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: through the middle, right, if you know you're asking him 1000 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,919 Speaker 1: to go downhill, I think he could still run block, 1001 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,240 Speaker 1: get on a combination block, and push some guys around. 1002 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 1: I think he can certainly still do those things. Pass 1003 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: protection worries me a lot. Now. Calvin Anderson, though, he's 1004 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: a fun player to watch on film, because that's a 1005 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 1: guy that has a ton of athletic upside. You can 1006 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: see it. I watched maybe three or four plays of 1007 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: his from last year, and I'm already like, whoa. This 1008 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: guy's explosiveness out of his stance and range just pops 1009 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,880 Speaker 1: right away. You know. You can just see his movement 1010 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 1: is just really sudden and quick, and he really is 1011 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: a dynamic mover. So he's got some upside, but his 1012 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,359 Speaker 1: technique has not improved in the four years he's been 1013 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and he's been with some good coaches. 1014 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: I know that the coaching wasn't great last year in Denver, 1015 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 1: but Munchak's been their offensive line. He's a one of 1016 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,800 Speaker 1: the best, right you know, it's like Dante Munchak, right Like, 1017 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 1: that's like the offensive line coach Mount Rushmore right there. 1018 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: So the fact that he hasn't been able to develop 1019 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: his technique, he's somebody that his hand usage needs work, 1020 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: his posture needs work. You know, he bands over and 1021 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: kind of leans into his blocks, which gets him off balance. 1022 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,400 Speaker 1: I have concerns about him being consistent in his pass sets, 1023 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: but his upside and his good film is really, really good. 1024 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: Riley Reef is a floor player, right, Like, that's a 1025 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,920 Speaker 1: guy that you know what you're getting and you just 1026 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,759 Speaker 1: I don't think big take out of all this. I 1027 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,240 Speaker 1: got a little pushback about this yesterday. I was surprised. 1028 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: This does not by any means take tackle off the 1029 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,480 Speaker 1: board at fourteen. No, it doesn't. Know, the Patriots are 1030 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: still very much in the top of the tackle market 1031 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 1: in the draft. They were not interested in paying for 1032 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 1: a tackle in free agency, doesn't seem like it. They 1033 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: were not interested at all. They didn't They were in 1034 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 1: an on McGlinchey. They weren't in on Orlando Brown. They 1035 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 1: weren't in on a Caleb McGarry like those guys they 1036 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 1: they were not in on it. Andre Dillard was their ceiling, 1037 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: and then they pivoted to the more the value place, right, 1038 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: the Anderson's and the Reefs of the world. Anderson I like, 1039 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: I think Anderson's got some upside. I think Anderson had 1040 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 1: his best football might be ahead of him. Riley Reef 1041 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,319 Speaker 1: is certainly the opposite, right, his best football is behind him, 1042 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,400 Speaker 1: and the Patriots still absolutely need to address tackle early 1043 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 1: in the draft. But what this allows them to do 1044 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,920 Speaker 1: is pick their spot up with it a little bit 1045 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 1: more because they do have two guys that could potentially start, 1046 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,319 Speaker 1: maybe not the most ideal starter, But if they get 1047 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: to fourteen and they just absolutely love a player at 1048 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,560 Speaker 1: another position and they want to take him, they don't 1049 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: have to take a tackle, right, I think they should 1050 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,360 Speaker 1: take And I think there's a really good chance the 1051 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: best player on the board of fourteen is going to 1052 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: be a tackle. I agree with you there. I think 1053 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 1: that that's the biggest thing. And you we're talking about 1054 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,839 Speaker 1: this on unfiltered, like, what's the plan right now? Right 1055 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: to me when I look at a lot of the 1056 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 1: things that they've filled out, the plan is to get 1057 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: to the draft and not have another coal strange situation 1058 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,239 Speaker 1: where you have put yourself in a corner that you 1059 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: absolutely need to take a guard, right, Like, you don't 1060 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,920 Speaker 1: have a starting guard on your roster if a game 1061 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,759 Speaker 1: were to be played tomorrow. If a game were to 1062 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 1: be played tomorrow, they might not have the best tackles 1063 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,800 Speaker 1: in the football, they might not have great tackles, but 1064 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: they would have tackles right that they could start in 1065 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 1: an NFL game. You know, Riley Reef can start in 1066 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 1: the game, Calvin Anderson can start. I was gonna say 1067 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: I for some reason, I haven't thought about it in 1068 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: this sense yet. If they if they did have to 1069 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,960 Speaker 1: play a gamey is Riley We're starting at right tackle? 1070 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,479 Speaker 1: Or is it Connor McDermott. I know the money suggests Reef, 1071 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,240 Speaker 1: But who's the better player, because I think that's actually 1072 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 1: kind of a close one right now. Yeah, I just 1073 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: again with with Reef, it's just about the foot speed. 1074 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 1: It's about the range of the foot speed, Like on 1075 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: an island. Can he pass protect against a good rusher? 1076 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if he can still do that. I 1077 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,279 Speaker 1: don't know if he still has that in his bag. 1078 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: I have more optimism that, especially if reportedly Adrian clem 1079 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: is in the mix, then I have more optimism that 1080 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: maybe they can coach up a guy like Anderson to 1081 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 1: be a higher level player than Riley Reef. But I 1082 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: think McDermott and Reef are your floor of guys. Those 1083 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,800 Speaker 1: are the guys that can at least hold down the position. 1084 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,640 Speaker 1: So when I look at their roster right now, they're 1085 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 1: they're in a better spot than they were this time 1086 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 1: last offseason. This time last offseason, they had traded Shack Mason, 1087 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 1: they let Ted Carras go to the Bengals. They had holes. 1088 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,480 Speaker 1: I don't think there are any super obvious holes. We're 1089 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,640 Speaker 1: still looking for those top dogs in a few places, 1090 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: but I don't think that there are, you know, gaping 1091 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,480 Speaker 1: holes in the roster. Which I think is what they're 1092 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,800 Speaker 1: trying to do in free agency is they're trying to 1093 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 1: play that game. They're not trying to go in win 1094 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: free agency. They're not trying to win the Super Bowl 1095 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 1: by being the best football team on paper on March sixteenth. 1096 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,919 Speaker 1: They're trying to fill out deeds. They're trying to fill 1097 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 1: gaps in their roster. They signed two tackles. They replaced 1098 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,160 Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers right away with Juju, and then they say 1099 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: signed James Robinson, who's the last guy that we haven't 1100 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: talked about. This one. I'm a little bit wary of too. 1101 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not totally against the signing because I 1102 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: can see the potential with the players one point, I 1103 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,320 Speaker 1: think two millions. It's not about the money. My biggest 1104 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 1: fear with this signing is that they're going to do 1105 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: that thing where They're going to bury Peer Strong behind 1106 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: Ramandre and behind James Robinson because James Robinson is the 1107 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: steady veteran with experience. Wasn't already a chance they did 1108 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: that with Time Montgomery. I suppose I throw him in there, 1109 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: So I get what you're saying. But to me, whatever 1110 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,720 Speaker 1: the James Robinson is. Between James Robinson and Time Montgomery, 1111 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: they've both been hurt, right, Yeah. The idea is one 1112 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,759 Speaker 1: of them will give you whatever they want out of 1113 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,760 Speaker 1: that role. Whether that's burying Pierre Strong, whether that's backing 1114 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,760 Speaker 1: up Pierre Strong, that's it's it's those two guys competing 1115 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: for that one rule. I think if their plan is 1116 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: to bury Pierre Strong, that was it was gonna be 1117 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,759 Speaker 1: Time Oncomer. It was gonna be somebody else, right, Yeah, 1118 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:17,120 Speaker 1: So I'm not. Look, they need need Evan a true 1119 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: pass catching back this year. They cannot have Remandra Stephen 1120 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: have Vermandra Stevenson have another season of seventy percent usage rate. 1121 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,760 Speaker 1: How many times did we go through this during the 1122 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 1: regular season. He's gonna get worn out, He's gonna get 1123 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 1: worn out, and then what happened late in the year. 1124 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,920 Speaker 1: He wasn't effective anymore. They need to take something off 1125 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,600 Speaker 1: his plate as many I think that that guy should 1126 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 1: be Pierre Strong. Limited sample sizes last year, he looked 1127 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,439 Speaker 1: like he can do it. Yeah, but have as many 1128 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,000 Speaker 1: options as possible because we can't get the Thanksgiving next 1129 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 1: year and Vermandra Stevens since the only back on the 1130 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: roster again because we just saw what that looked like. Yeah, 1131 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,560 Speaker 1: they're definitely trying to build out that depth. Yeah, and 1132 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,400 Speaker 1: it's an insurance in case Pierre Strong can't take on 1133 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: a bigger They have a guy in James Robers and 1134 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 1: that's what I think player. He's going to compete with 1135 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 1: Time Montgomery to be that you know, all right, Well, 1136 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,120 Speaker 1: if Pierre Strong as a learning curve, here's the other. Yeah. 1137 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,680 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I just I keep coming 1138 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,680 Speaker 1: back to Piers Strong's game breaking ability. I hope he 1139 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,640 Speaker 1: doesn't get buried. Yeah, I just want I want that 1140 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 1: guy to get some opportunity. I want him on the field. 1141 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,840 Speaker 1: I want him with the football in his hands and 1142 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 1: see what he can do. Because a couple of flashes 1143 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: that we saw last year, and I guess I get 1144 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: it was ten carries, right, it was literally ten carries 1145 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,440 Speaker 1: and a couple of catches. But the game against Arizona. 1146 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,440 Speaker 1: And I know the Cardinals were not good last year, 1147 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: so you can use all the excuses and caveats to want, 1148 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,280 Speaker 1: But that game against Arizona, when he goes five for seventy, 1149 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,080 Speaker 1: right with the forty something yard run, that's the level 1150 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,600 Speaker 1: of big playability explosiveness that this team desperately needs. And 1151 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,920 Speaker 1: maybe he gets in there and he breaks one for 1152 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: forty yards, right, and those are the types of things 1153 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 1: that they should be looking for. That's that's what they 1154 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 1: need in the offense. Twenty fourteen, James White had fourteen touches. Yeah, 1155 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 1: they signed Dion Lewis that offseason, who actually, in terms 1156 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 1: of the career arc is similar to James Robinson, had 1157 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,120 Speaker 1: a really good start, got hurt, you know, kind of 1158 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 1: turn into a backup player. Would we be sitting here 1159 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 1: March sixteenth, March sixteenth, twenty fifteen saying, oh, no, they're 1160 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: gonna bury James White, right, Probably we probably would be, 1161 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,280 Speaker 1: And then what happened. He became one of the most 1162 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: reliable bass catchers in the history of the organization. So 1163 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: I'm not like super worried about that. I just want 1164 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 1: all the opportunity. I do. But I also I say 1165 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 1: this all time. People love to complain about running backs 1166 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,680 Speaker 1: and what like last year, why did they draft two 1167 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,160 Speaker 1: running backs? That's too many they have Ramandra, he's good. 1168 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: I'd rather do what they did there though, than than paid. 1169 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,000 Speaker 1: But here's my point. Everybody complained they invested too much 1170 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 1: in running backs last year, and we got to the 1171 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 1: end of the year and what happened. They had no 1172 00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 1: running backs. Okay, but you need counterpoint. Yeah, they have 1173 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,360 Speaker 1: no running backs because for some reason they have this 1174 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 1: this roadblock with playing. Okay, that's true. Well, so they didn't. 1175 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 1: So they didn't add a rookie. They added James Robinson. 1176 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:16,120 Speaker 1: It takes you need five running backs to get through 1177 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,440 Speaker 1: an NFL season. You don't need them all on your 1178 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: roster at once, but between the practice squad and just 1179 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's a guy you signed early in 1180 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,720 Speaker 1: the season, but you need five running backs to get 1181 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:32,800 Speaker 1: through a season. Ramandre, Pierre Strong, Kevin Harris, James Robinson, 1182 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Time Montgomery for I guess J. J. Taylor, But to me, 1183 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: that ship has sailed. Yeah, but like that, that's a 1184 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,760 Speaker 1: good enough group and they didn't spend anything on him. 1185 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,160 Speaker 1: And what right, We've already spent probably too much time, 1186 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,680 Speaker 1: but like I don't I don't worry about him burying 1187 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,600 Speaker 1: Pierre Strong. That would that goes against I said last 1188 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,080 Speaker 1: year Pierce Strong is not gonna play, Yeah, because that's 1189 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: what tells us, all right, so let's keep following the trend. 1190 01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 1: If we keep following the trend, he's in for a 1191 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,600 Speaker 1: much bigger so James Robinson that to talk a little 1192 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 1: bit about James Robinson, not all about Pierre Strong, who 1193 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,920 Speaker 1: I clearly like James James Robinson going. I went back 1194 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,920 Speaker 1: to his twenty twenty one tape a little bit because 1195 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: I do feel like that's the guy they're hoping they're getting. 1196 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,640 Speaker 1: It's it's one years achilles late in the twenty one season, 1197 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,880 Speaker 1: so it's the whole thing like ACLS, right, Yeah, a 1198 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 1: year removed from a serious The concern. Adding to my 1199 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,080 Speaker 1: concern is that for that position, for the running back position, 1200 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:39,760 Speaker 1: the achilles tear is is literally a death sentence, right, Yeah, 1201 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,000 Speaker 1: you know that's one injury for that position in particular, 1202 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:48,440 Speaker 1: where guys statistically, very very few guys have bounced back 1203 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 1: from an achilles tear. Now, James Robinson tours achilles in 1204 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 1: December twenty twenty one and was healthy for week one 1205 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: to last year. And that's admirable, like that that ability 1206 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,200 Speaker 1: to get back that quickly. So maybe he's one of 1207 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,280 Speaker 1: those guys that is just a little bit of like 1208 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,560 Speaker 1: one of those free keelers, right, that just that can 1209 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: bounce back from this. But from a statistical perspective, if 1210 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 1: you tear your achilles as a running back, that that's 1211 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: typically you never get that burst back, you never get 1212 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 1: that same level of acceleration and explosiveness. So we'll see. 1213 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,000 Speaker 1: But I think the going back to his twenty twenty 1214 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 1: one tape, I was intrigued by the fact that he's 1215 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 1: not just a runner, like he can catch the football 1216 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,160 Speaker 1: and he can run some routes, Like they actually detached 1217 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: him from the formation times and ran routes. That's the reason. Like, 1218 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,760 Speaker 1: I don't if they had signed like a traditional early 1219 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,640 Speaker 1: down back, I'd be annoyed. Yeah, because that's what role 1220 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: should be. No. I like that they went out you 1221 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,280 Speaker 1: know who skill sets actually sort of similar to you 1222 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,680 Speaker 1: might be on the same page here. Who let's start 1223 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,280 Speaker 1: with no, go No, I want to see the same 1224 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,120 Speaker 1: player are yeah Berken? Oh look at that. Look at that, 1225 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,479 Speaker 1: we spend too much time together. Look at that skill 1226 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: sets don't Does he play special teams? Actually don't know, 1227 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 1: But that's exactly who I thought of when I saw 1228 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: them sign him. And he's Rex Burka to Repurkhead is 1229 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: also a free agent. But James Robinson, in theory, is 1230 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 1: a younger rex Burkhead much younger. Yeah, so is he 1231 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,080 Speaker 1: somebody that went one hundred percent healthy and taking RB 1232 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,280 Speaker 1: two reps behind r mondre Stevenson could be, you know, 1233 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,120 Speaker 1: giving you a couple of hundred rushing yards and a 1234 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,960 Speaker 1: couple hundred receiving yards. Doesn't play special teams though I 1235 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: think he could. Now he's not. He's not James White, 1236 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,360 Speaker 1: right like in rex Burkhead wasn't either as a passing back. 1237 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,360 Speaker 1: But rex Burka did have the ability to get open 1238 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:36,040 Speaker 1: against a linebacker, not necessarily as open or as consistently 1239 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: as somebody like James White. But yeah, I think I 1240 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,480 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of rex Burkhead there. Maybe they 1241 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,680 Speaker 1: maybe they trained him on special teams. I don't know. 1242 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,960 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they that's something he can pick up as 1243 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,160 Speaker 1: a guy that's not going to be a starter. I 1244 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 1: also give him this in Jacksonville. They try to replace 1245 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,720 Speaker 1: him multiple times, like Travis Etn comes in, Carlos Hyde 1246 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,320 Speaker 1: came in right when urban Meyer first got there. They 1247 01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,840 Speaker 1: kept on trying to replace the guy, and he just 1248 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,960 Speaker 1: kept on outperform. I'm gonna be said for that, that replacements. Yeah, 1249 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: so there's something to be said for that as well. 1250 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,800 Speaker 1: We got an email ox that you're really going to enjoy. 1251 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Oh boy, all right, Yes, it's about kickers and pun No, no, no, 1252 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 1: this is about me. This is from Tim and New Hampshire. 1253 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,720 Speaker 1: He said, is it possible that you Evan talking to me? 1254 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 1: I really like JSS because you just watch his tape? 1255 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,560 Speaker 1: When did you watch the tape? Evan subject line Evan's 1256 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:30,760 Speaker 1: recency bias? This is interesting. Is this a product of 1257 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:36,720 Speaker 1: me just watching him yesterday? Well, okay, here's what we're 1258 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,720 Speaker 1: gonna do. Yeah, I would assume you will watch some 1259 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 1: other players between now and the next show. That's true. 1260 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,600 Speaker 1: If not, just can you watch a couple wide receivers 1261 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,520 Speaker 1: and we'll revisit because maybe we come on the next show. 1262 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,080 Speaker 1: And Evan says, you know what, I've changed my opinion 1263 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:56,920 Speaker 1: a little bit. Should have kept Jacobe now I mentioned 1264 01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,440 Speaker 1: it earlier in the show. I think I mentioned on 1265 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Unfiltered too. I actually saw Juju play live three or 1266 01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,520 Speaker 1: four times at USC in college and loved him. Then 1267 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,360 Speaker 1: I thought that he would be a great fit here 1268 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: in New England because of his slot and yackability and 1269 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,200 Speaker 1: all the things we talked about earlier. He had some 1270 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,640 Speaker 1: really big games, happened to have some big games in 1271 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,720 Speaker 1: the games that I went to. And this was I 1272 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,800 Speaker 1: was still a young buck. I was still trying to 1273 01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 1: get into this industry. I knew the draft was always 1274 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,040 Speaker 1: something that I was super interested in. But after one 1275 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 1: game of watching Sam Darnold in the USC and throw 1276 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,160 Speaker 1: into the same receiver over and over again, I'm like, 1277 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,720 Speaker 1: this Juju guy can play. You know, this guy is 1278 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,520 Speaker 1: pretty good. I said. Now, I'd like Juju for a 1279 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,280 Speaker 1: long time, going back to SC. But this is a 1280 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: that's a listener. That's somebody that pays, somebody who knows. 1281 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,760 Speaker 1: This is like a I was it today or I 1282 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,320 Speaker 1: forget I was listening. Maybe it is the other day 1283 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,360 Speaker 1: that like it came up on Unfiltered. Yeah the recency biases. 1284 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah thing now, Oh I owned it on Unfiltered. 1285 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,960 Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, oh, you're right to people 1286 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,880 Speaker 1: who don't know, like he's very aware of it, but 1287 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,960 Speaker 1: I have to reminder something. So that's interesting. All right, 1288 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,400 Speaker 1: So I think you need like a palette cleanser. Now, 1289 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,840 Speaker 1: whenever you watch a player, you should have to watch 1290 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,360 Speaker 1: another player immediately after and then go back to the 1291 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,600 Speaker 1: first player and say, all right, I try when I 1292 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,240 Speaker 1: when I do the draft, I do try to do 1293 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,040 Speaker 1: them in batches by position, so that yeah, I'm seeing 1294 01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 1: the same position over and over again, so I can 1295 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 1: kind of separation. So this is what happened. Like when 1296 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 1: you watch Zay Flowers is back in February, you were started. 1297 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,040 Speaker 1: I think you started with a Flowers because because he 1298 01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,400 Speaker 1: could be at the Shrine Bowl, So I probably this 1299 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,000 Speaker 1: is what it was. Yeah, he texts me they have 1300 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,400 Speaker 1: to draft, say Flowers, there's no reason they can't. And 1301 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,800 Speaker 1: I said, all right, but like watch these other couple 1302 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,040 Speaker 1: guys because they're available to and you were like no, no, no, no, no, 1303 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,080 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is the guy. And then you went back 1304 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,439 Speaker 1: and watch the other guys and you're like, all right, okay, yeah, 1305 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,440 Speaker 1: maybe they can get a guy later on. I do 1306 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 1: like Zay, I know you do. But you were you 1307 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,280 Speaker 1: were furious that I would not instantly say that they 1308 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,000 Speaker 1: there's no other acceptable picking for There is no other 1309 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 1: I think you were talking about, like trading up for 1310 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,720 Speaker 1: at one point, I love Zay. I do because I 1311 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a sucker for guys that create separation. I'm 1312 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,880 Speaker 1: not a bit and I know that that's Juju's not 1313 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,120 Speaker 1: necessarily that guy. So I guess I can like different types, right, 1314 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I have different flavors, But in 1315 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 1: terms of what are my ideal receivers, guys that get 1316 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,920 Speaker 1: open at the top of the route do it for me, right, 1317 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,160 Speaker 1: Like those are the types of guys I've always gravitated 1318 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,320 Speaker 1: towards JS and Zay Flowers, like those types of players, 1319 01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,880 Speaker 1: the Quentin Johnson's of the world, Like I can take 1320 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,800 Speaker 1: it or leave it with them. I did really like DK, 1321 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,480 Speaker 1: but for the most part, those big bodied explain it's 1322 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,160 Speaker 1: not just like Nikkil Harry, you know, whatever, it's it's all. 1323 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,760 Speaker 1: It's also just because I I've never really been super 1324 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,920 Speaker 1: into those guys, like the route runners, the technicians, the 1325 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,880 Speaker 1: sudden guys at the top of the route. That's always 1326 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,080 Speaker 1: been the guys that I've I've always loved. You know, 1327 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,040 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson is probably my biggest draft crush baby of 1328 01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,520 Speaker 1: all time, and he was one of those types of Hey, 1329 01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,480 Speaker 1: they worked out the guy that started over him his 1330 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,880 Speaker 1: rookie year, or they had him for a visit. Reportedly, 1331 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,880 Speaker 1: who uh Dizzy Johnson? Oh this new this guy that 1332 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,840 Speaker 1: they this guy from the Vikings. Oh yeah, so he 1333 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson's rookie year. That Johnson. It's uh, I think 1334 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,680 Speaker 1: it's dissy. It's busy busy right, busy because it's short 1335 01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,880 Speaker 1: for something busy john Busy Johnson was the starter the 1336 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,400 Speaker 1: first three weeks, and then it was Justin Jefferson. So 1337 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:24,800 Speaker 1: he got wally pipped. So we're gonna wrap on this. Uh, 1338 01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:29,880 Speaker 1: I did it again? Do you like Taylor Rap? I 1339 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,920 Speaker 1: think it's another name that's out there that they're purportedly 1340 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,720 Speaker 1: having in I think for a visit. And then you 1341 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,080 Speaker 1: mentioned Busy Johnson. Who are gonna mait? I've been on 1342 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,639 Speaker 1: the radio for most of the time, so I haven't 1343 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,960 Speaker 1: really done much homework on him. But in terms of 1344 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,920 Speaker 1: those other two guys, I've obviously seen them play a bunch. 1345 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,400 Speaker 1: Taylor Rap is somebody that was I was super super 1346 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:53,519 Speaker 1: high on in the draft and yeah he's stunning college. Yes, Pa, 1347 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,000 Speaker 1: twelve guy, I know you're packed. Twelve buias might not 1348 01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,200 Speaker 1: be real. I think it's just your excuse for misevaluating airs. 1349 01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:06,920 Speaker 1: Taylor Rapp was the classic example of everybody thought he 1350 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,600 Speaker 1: had first round tape. We go into the combine, he 1351 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,200 Speaker 1: runs like a four seven. Yeah, and you have to 1352 01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,880 Speaker 1: reevaluate the entire thing. But he's plays with even though 1353 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,640 Speaker 1: he ran a four seven, he plays with a lot 1354 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,800 Speaker 1: more urgency than that. You know, it's not you did 1355 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,960 Speaker 1: this once upon a time. It's kind of like Kendrick Bourne, right, 1356 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,479 Speaker 1: Like Kendrick Boorne, like runs a lot faster than he 1357 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,400 Speaker 1: tested in the forty when you actually put the pads 1358 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,200 Speaker 1: on and get him in a game. I think Taylor 1359 01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,200 Speaker 1: Raps the same way. Plays with a lot of energy. 1360 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,360 Speaker 1: He's physical, he can come downhill and lay the wood 1361 01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:40,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. He's not a true center fielder, but 1362 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,160 Speaker 1: I do think he's an interchangeable safety. So if they 1363 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,200 Speaker 1: wanted to pair him with Phillips, with Dugger, with um, 1364 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,080 Speaker 1: you know guy like Jalen Mills potentially moving over to 1365 01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,560 Speaker 1: more of like a safety hybrid role. I think he 1366 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,479 Speaker 1: does have the ability to play single high, play too high. 1367 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,240 Speaker 1: Things like that. Look, he's played over five hundred stamps 1368 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,040 Speaker 1: each of the last two years of free safety, and 1369 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,080 Speaker 1: he came in as a box but when he started 1370 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,960 Speaker 1: playing deep more. A couple of things I like about 1371 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: Taylor Rapp and I think are crucial for that position 1372 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,719 Speaker 1: in the on this team. Like to play free safety 1373 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,799 Speaker 1: for the Patriots is massive shoes to fill. Massive obviously, 1374 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,720 Speaker 1: right with Devin mccordy leaving first off, and it kind 1375 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,360 Speaker 1: of goes through. You talked about how he plays faster 1376 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 1: than maybe he timed. His instincts are great, and we 1377 01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,280 Speaker 1: talked about this. I don't know that he's quite at 1378 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 1: the level Kyle Dugger is, but like he maybe makes 1379 01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: up for not being the fastest player because he starts 1380 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,519 Speaker 1: on to play half a step earlier than most other 1381 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,519 Speaker 1: players because he recognized it. Right, So this clicking closes. 1382 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,840 Speaker 1: You know, he in college, I just remember him just 1383 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,640 Speaker 1: absolutely shot out of a cannon towards the football. So 1384 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,200 Speaker 1: and they love that. Yeah, I mean we can go 1385 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:48,920 Speaker 1: through all the guys like that on this roster that 1386 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,560 Speaker 1: they have. That's something they look at, um And the 1387 01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,880 Speaker 1: other thing you need to be a good tackler back 1388 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,560 Speaker 1: there because you're the last line of defense, and a 1389 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,439 Speaker 1: lot of teams they don't necessarily value tackling ability to 1390 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,200 Speaker 1: free safety because they just want the guy that's quick 1391 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,240 Speaker 1: and can cover all the ground. But a lot of 1392 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,160 Speaker 1: those guys are small, and suddenly you get a running 1393 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,280 Speaker 1: back in the open field and they can't tackle him. Yeah, 1394 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,120 Speaker 1: Taylor rap at a six point three percent miss tackle 1395 01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,519 Speaker 1: rate last year in the NFL Okay Calm Down. And 1396 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,160 Speaker 1: because he has that background as a box safety, he's 1397 01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,479 Speaker 1: not afraid of hit. He's not afraid to mix it up. 1398 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,960 Speaker 1: He's also and I know this is like cliche and 1399 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,720 Speaker 1: dumb and people are gonna roll their eyes, but all right, 1400 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:28,479 Speaker 1: we're knocking Juju Smith Schuster for this. Taylor Rapp Actually, 1401 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,000 Speaker 1: like I've talked to people who know him, like cutting 1402 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,880 Speaker 1: his background a little bit. This kid freaking loves playing football. Yeah, 1403 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,800 Speaker 1: like since that when we talked to him. I talked 1404 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,320 Speaker 1: to him at the combine and when he came out 1405 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:44,160 Speaker 1: because I, like I mentioned I really loved his film. Yeah, 1406 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,559 Speaker 1: he seems like a guy that that that really loves 1407 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,040 Speaker 1: it and didn't had to kind of find his way 1408 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,640 Speaker 1: to football with his background. It wasn't something that was 1409 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,960 Speaker 1: like automatically, I'm gonna play football. He just wanted to 1410 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,320 Speaker 1: play football, and he's loved it. He loves playing football. 1411 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,560 Speaker 1: I think he loves the process of it, like you know, 1412 01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,240 Speaker 1: film study and just getting better and going through repeated reps. 1413 01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,000 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying like I'm drooling over this guy. 1414 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here telling you he's gonna be at read. Right. 1415 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,040 Speaker 1: He's not the fastest guy, he's not the biggest guy, 1416 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,479 Speaker 1: but they could like so there was that top tier, right, 1417 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,679 Speaker 1: We're talking about guys like Jesse Bates and Vaughan Bell 1418 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,760 Speaker 1: and Jordan Poyer. They missed out on that tier. If 1419 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna go to the second tier. To me, Taylor 1420 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,880 Speaker 1: Rap is at the top of that second tier. And 1421 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,000 Speaker 1: people are gonna roll their eyes and say, of course 1422 01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,759 Speaker 1: they didn't want to pay top dollar at the position, 1423 01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,640 Speaker 1: they're going cheap. If you're going to go cheap, and 1424 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,519 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily thin Rap. I don't think Rap's gonna 1425 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,000 Speaker 1: be cheap, right, But if they're going to go cheap, uh, 1426 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,519 Speaker 1: they're not gonna get any better then than Taylor Rap. 1427 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,040 Speaker 1: As for Andrew Van Ginkle tougher read on him. I 1428 01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,280 Speaker 1: feel like they keep bringing in these athletic linebackers who 1429 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,360 Speaker 1: are also special teams players. Yeah, and he's a little 1430 01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:52,720 Speaker 1: and it's not just because he kind of looks like 1431 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,720 Speaker 1: him like he's chased one of it. He's chasing. I 1432 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,840 Speaker 1: think he's more he's bold and chase one of its. 1433 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,200 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, they keep bringing in these athletic linebackers 1434 01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,559 Speaker 1: that also play special teams. We say, all right, they're 1435 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,200 Speaker 1: adding athleticism at the second level, and then by the 1436 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,840 Speaker 1: end of the year, the guys are just special team 1437 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,200 Speaker 1: ors nothing else, Like Mac Wills, Wilson, Ray McMillen. I'm like, 1438 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,000 Speaker 1: like in theory, Yeah, I don't hate it, but I 1439 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,160 Speaker 1: feel like we're gonna get to December and he's just 1440 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,559 Speaker 1: gonna be covering kicks. Yeah, that's probably fair. He's definitely 1441 01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,880 Speaker 1: somebody though, which like, they need guys to cover kicks, 1442 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,360 Speaker 1: so show me the money. But I'm I'm much more 1443 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,200 Speaker 1: excited about Taylor rap Van Ginkel is as somebody that 1444 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,360 Speaker 1: he also kind of pops off the film in terms 1445 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,400 Speaker 1: of how much energy he plays with right, he plays 1446 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,519 Speaker 1: with his hair on fire as they all dress. He's 1447 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,880 Speaker 1: a high motor guy. Yeah, that's kind of why I 1448 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,720 Speaker 1: compared him a little bit to Winnovich as well. There, 1449 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,720 Speaker 1: let's wrap on this. I swear I'm done. Stop a 1450 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,360 Speaker 1: right now, like you're gonna make it to the point 1451 01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,360 Speaker 1: where I don't want them to sign him up. I'm done, Alec. 1452 01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:55,080 Speaker 1: I think, did you email us with an alias? Because 1453 01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,519 Speaker 1: this person says with the Patriots signing Juju, he says 1454 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,360 Speaker 1: his name is Ryan, but I think this might just 1455 01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,840 Speaker 1: be Alex. Yeah, what the Patriots signing Juju? I think 1456 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,200 Speaker 1: another free agent receiver is off the board in the draft. 1457 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,760 Speaker 1: I think they trade back and then selected tackle with 1458 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:19,400 Speaker 1: that This is you, This is you. I said that 1459 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:24,160 Speaker 1: on a show last night, subject line, Bryce Ford Wheaton 1460 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,880 Speaker 1: is the guy. I said that on a show last night. Look, 1461 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,680 Speaker 1: I said it earlier in this show actually too. If 1462 01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 1: if they wanted take an X in the draft, I 1463 01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:38,120 Speaker 1: just the high investment isn't worth it to me at 1464 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,240 Speaker 1: that point. And then I gave you the list earlier. 1465 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,640 Speaker 1: It was Bryce Ford Wheaton. It was justin shorter it 1466 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,680 Speaker 1: was I mean, obviously Bryce is at the top, but 1467 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,680 Speaker 1: Bryce is at the top. I don't go get one 1468 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,800 Speaker 1: of the Big Day three guys. You at one point 1469 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,360 Speaker 1: shared with me that the closest athletic comp to Bryce 1470 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,920 Speaker 1: Ford Wheaton was Calvin Johnson. Like, that's all compare is that. 1471 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,240 Speaker 1: I didn't come up with that. It's on the spider graph. 1472 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,240 Speaker 1: I didn't come up with that. This is why athletic 1473 01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,840 Speaker 1: testing takes takes things too too far. Sometimes it's like 1474 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,160 Speaker 1: he's like Calvin Johnson DK Metcalf, like all these just 1475 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,000 Speaker 1: also a DK Metcalf wasn't me. That was Eric Gaalco 1476 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,200 Speaker 1: who said that he did. He did. You're right, okay, 1477 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,200 Speaker 1: So look if you can get him in the fifth round. Yeah, 1478 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,000 Speaker 1: and he's got that kind of physical ability and by 1479 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: the way, it's really good at covering kicks. So at 1480 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,799 Speaker 1: the very least, I think you get a Matthew Slatter replacement. 1481 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,040 Speaker 1: He's a gunner. They take long snappers in the fifth round. 1482 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,280 Speaker 1: That's a special teams round. So Bryce Ford Wheaton uh 1483 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,280 Speaker 1: as like the fourth round pick because they didn't do 1484 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver early. Okay, fine, Like fine, I'm not a 1485 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,880 Speaker 1: guy you can throw. You don't take Bryce Ford Wheat 1486 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,439 Speaker 1: in the first round. They don't need them to do that. 1487 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,320 Speaker 1: He's gotta remember Miles Boykin right at another Dame a 1488 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,040 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He's got a it's a little 1489 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,840 Speaker 1: bit like Miles Boykin. They've got three fourth round picks. 1490 01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,639 Speaker 1: They can use one on Bryce Ford Wheaton. He's he's 1491 01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,280 Speaker 1: got I'm sorry, he's got okay tape. He's not. He 1492 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,160 Speaker 1: doesn't have great tape. He has okay tape. An outstanding athletic. 1493 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,680 Speaker 1: So here's what i'd say about his tape. It's inconsistent 1494 01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,640 Speaker 1: when he's on, it's good. There's just right. So he 1495 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,080 Speaker 1: if they drafted him because a recency bias, Thank you, Tim. 1496 01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably go watch his film. I'll pull out 1497 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,760 Speaker 1: like the five ridiculous catches that he made. This is 1498 01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,160 Speaker 1: a real test of your recency bias, because you do 1499 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,040 Speaker 1: not want me to be right about this now, I don't. 1500 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,800 Speaker 1: I don't because I those are the types of guys 1501 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:32,080 Speaker 1: that I always say, don't draft you guys based off 1502 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,240 Speaker 1: just the combine. Right, you gotta have film and combine. 1503 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,400 Speaker 1: That's why I was there is like film. It's just 1504 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,599 Speaker 1: not like I wasn't super bullish on Tae kwon until 1505 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,840 Speaker 1: you've talked me into it. Because of that, you got 1506 01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,280 Speaker 1: more into him than me. At one point we're talking 1507 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,479 Speaker 1: about the release package and everything. Yeah, that was Macro. 1508 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,120 Speaker 1: You know Macro after the draft, you know, it's like, oh, 1509 01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,720 Speaker 1: this is not just a linear regardless. I said the 1510 01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,720 Speaker 1: same thing about Taikwon. I'm saying about Brycebord Wheat and 1511 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,160 Speaker 1: take him early on day three and see what's there, 1512 01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,599 Speaker 1: because it does feel like there's a lot of potential 1513 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,160 Speaker 1: even if he maybe doesn't have the production that you 1514 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,040 Speaker 1: mightn't draft people based off their forty times. That's why 1515 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,639 Speaker 1: it's not I I was texting you about Bryce Ford 1516 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,080 Speaker 1: Wheaton months before he ran that forty This is not 1517 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,599 Speaker 1: a forty time, that's fair. We're you talked about him 1518 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,719 Speaker 1: in Vegas. You know he was at the Shrine Bowl. 1519 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:22,280 Speaker 1: Who uh, who is it who ran the um? DJ 1520 01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,760 Speaker 1: Turner's a forty time pick. Yeah, but I liked him too. 1521 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,720 Speaker 1: But anyway, all right, we'll let Joe in Florida take 1522 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,840 Speaker 1: us out here. Joe, what's up? Hi, guys. I'm actually 1523 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,600 Speaker 1: a really big West Virginia fan, so I would be 1524 01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:41,400 Speaker 1: really okay with us taking four Wheaton. But yeah, I 1525 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,080 Speaker 1: was hoping to catch pages in Filder. I think I 1526 01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,840 Speaker 1: called it too late. Normally I listened to you guys 1527 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,439 Speaker 1: while I'm at work, but I actually quit my job 1528 01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:50,880 Speaker 1: so I can listen to you guys up during my 1529 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,799 Speaker 1: free time. I love it, um, but I was wondering 1530 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,840 Speaker 1: if you thought, uh like taking Smith and Jiegba in 1531 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,640 Speaker 1: the first round still would be I get there up 1532 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,120 Speaker 1: with Smith Schuster, or if Smith Schuster is still going 1533 01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,880 Speaker 1: to be in in that spot role. Yeah, thanks for 1534 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,160 Speaker 1: the college, Joe, and I hope you didn't quit your 1535 01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,280 Speaker 1: job just to listen to us, I thought, I think, 1536 01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:12,880 Speaker 1: I hope that there was a lot of fun a 1537 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,160 Speaker 1: little bit more behind that. We talked about this a 1538 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,559 Speaker 1: little bit already, but this is a nice way to add. 1539 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,200 Speaker 1: We didn't get his opinion on Dante Stills either. We 1540 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:27,479 Speaker 1: bookend the show at the Wide Receiver March Madness. Guys 1541 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,639 Speaker 1: like JSN to me are now redundant. I I love JSN, 1542 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,080 Speaker 1: you know that he's just's my favorite ben and wide 1543 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,599 Speaker 1: receiver one for me this whole process. But you can't 1544 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,519 Speaker 1: have two slot guys. You can't have two slower slot 1545 01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,560 Speaker 1: guys in particular, like if you want to pair JSN 1546 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,960 Speaker 1: with is Za Flowers type, like, I'm not saying you 1547 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,560 Speaker 1: drop both those guys who would be able to do 1548 01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,160 Speaker 1: Mario Douglas I think would be the perfect sure or 1549 01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,200 Speaker 1: just you know, you went out and you you got 1550 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,519 Speaker 1: a speed slot in free agency, and now you know 1551 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,240 Speaker 1: you want to pair him with the power slot. You 1552 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,519 Speaker 1: could do that, but two power slots essentially, and I 1553 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,439 Speaker 1: don't know if Jason's a power slot. But you know 1554 01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:07,439 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say, bigot, bigger slot receiver. Uh, 1555 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,479 Speaker 1: I think you we gotta be a little bit more 1556 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,200 Speaker 1: on the perimeter and certainly a little bit more speed. 1557 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,760 Speaker 1: I think that's where we're both at with the next 1558 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,160 Speaker 1: move out wide receiver. It pains me to say that 1559 01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,680 Speaker 1: because I do really love Jason. I think he's going 1560 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,400 Speaker 1: to be a great pro. I wish there was a 1561 01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,599 Speaker 1: way that I could envision it, that they could maybe 1562 01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,240 Speaker 1: put both of those excuse me, both of those guys together. 1563 01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,920 Speaker 1: But I just think there's too much overlap and it's 1564 01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,200 Speaker 1: it's too much of the same thing and not enough speed. 1565 01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:34,840 Speaker 1: But on the field it's fine, So all right, we 1566 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,400 Speaker 1: can't do Jason anymore. Yeah, but we can do Zay 1567 01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:42,880 Speaker 1: Flowers or State Ohio, State Duwan Jones because it's totally insane. 1568 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,400 Speaker 1: I Juwan Jones is to me, what what Jason is 1569 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,560 Speaker 1: you in the draft? That's fair. Claire emailed in and 1570 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,200 Speaker 1: said that when we were talking about Darnel Washington, yeah, 1571 01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,160 Speaker 1: that we should have harped on him potentially also playing tackle, 1572 01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,280 Speaker 1: that we had to take there. That Bill loves versatility. 1573 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,240 Speaker 1: This is a guy that could potentially play tackle and 1574 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,719 Speaker 1: tight end. So the Patriots did have a guy once 1575 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,519 Speaker 1: named Michael Williams. Yeah, I remember Michael who played both 1576 01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,880 Speaker 1: tackle on tight end. He was a tackle at Alabama 1577 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,160 Speaker 1: or I think he was recruited as a tight end, 1578 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:16,719 Speaker 1: but it was a tackle when he played at Alabama, 1579 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,160 Speaker 1: came into the NFL as a tight end, got moved 1580 01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,280 Speaker 1: to tackle. He came here as it he would. He played. 1581 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,880 Speaker 1: He played both spot and not like Michael who Omanomanui 1582 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,280 Speaker 1: the trick formation like. He was like the third string 1583 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,000 Speaker 1: tight end and the third string right tackle on the 1584 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:34,599 Speaker 1: depth chart. So they've done I don't use a top 1585 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,000 Speaker 1: fifty pick on that guy, right, but they have done it. 1586 01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,880 Speaker 1: He did look good at George's prote yesterday. He continues 1587 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,840 Speaker 1: to I think he's going to sneak into the first round. 1588 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,640 Speaker 1: I think it's hard to find traits like that. You know, 1589 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,519 Speaker 1: the production is not there, but you can sell yourself 1590 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,760 Speaker 1: on the fact that most tight ends don't produce big 1591 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,320 Speaker 1: time at the college level anyways in the passing game, 1592 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,920 Speaker 1: and that size, that speed and that body control is hard, 1593 01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,760 Speaker 1: and you know what, and that's strength too, you know what. 1594 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,639 Speaker 1: It's a little bit like it's kind of like, remember 1595 01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,240 Speaker 1: we did this with the Georgia Defenders last year, where 1596 01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,400 Speaker 1: everybody was like, oh, well, you know, Jordan Davis doesn't 1597 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,479 Speaker 1: have a ton of production and Devon Walker doesn't have 1598 01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,160 Speaker 1: a ton of production, and it was like, well, yeah, 1599 01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,760 Speaker 1: there's so much talent on the field. Most of these 1600 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,120 Speaker 1: first round picks are so much better than everybody else 1601 01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,200 Speaker 1: around them. They put up video game numbers on George's defense. 1602 01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:25,760 Speaker 1: You can't do that. Darnell Washington's behind Brock Bowers, who's 1603 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,840 Speaker 1: gonna be a top ten pick next year. And they 1604 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,880 Speaker 1: had a got named Eric Gilbert too, who was pretty 1605 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,720 Speaker 1: good at tight I Washington was kind of on par 1606 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,439 Speaker 1: with him. They sort of swapped them out. If Darnell 1607 01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,599 Speaker 1: Washington's on any other team, his production is much better. 1608 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:44,439 Speaker 1: I using his production is a little misleading. In his 1609 01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,479 Speaker 1: evaluation because again he's behind the best tight end of 1610 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,200 Speaker 1: the country and he's still managed to carve out a 1611 01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,840 Speaker 1: roll where he's Again I think he's a sneaking them 1612 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,640 Speaker 1: back into the first round. He's a big dude that 1613 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,920 Speaker 1: can move. Yeah, it's the Bill Parcels thing, right, There's 1614 01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,200 Speaker 1: only so many guys on the planet that are six 1615 01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,040 Speaker 1: foot seven, two sixty five and move like that. So 1616 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,639 Speaker 1: only so many guys who are six foot eight three 1617 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,240 Speaker 1: seventy five and have d one basketball feet two. Ever, 1618 01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,439 Speaker 1: he's gonna make Dwan Jones at Patriot if it's the 1619 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,639 Speaker 1: last thing that he's right, I am. He's gonna shout 1620 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,519 Speaker 1: it from the rooftops him Michael and went Trent Brown. 1621 01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,400 Speaker 1: You're gonna run for so many yards behind those three. 1622 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,040 Speaker 1: It's it's I understand where you're coming from. I do. 1623 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,320 Speaker 1: And then you got to play action, and then you 1624 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,680 Speaker 1: got Juju on those bank rounds off play action, And 1625 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,160 Speaker 1: now we're talking right you you you throw the screen 1626 01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:35,080 Speaker 1: out to Juju where you have Dwan Jones pulling in 1627 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,920 Speaker 1: the open field at three hundred eighty pounds. There you go. 1628 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,200 Speaker 1: Good luck stopping that, all right, So that's gonna do 1629 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,880 Speaker 1: it for us. Alex and I are gonna be back 1630 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,840 Speaker 1: next week plenty of more free agency talk. I'm sure 1631 01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,000 Speaker 1: there'll be some more signings for the Patriots that we'll 1632 01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,439 Speaker 1: be able to break down and we'll get a little 1633 01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,639 Speaker 1: bit back more into the draft, because that's our bread 1634 01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,479 Speaker 1: and butter here in the off season, and we'll talk 1635 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,080 Speaker 1: maybe reset the board a little bit for the Patriots. 1636 01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,240 Speaker 1: I think by next Thursday we should have a pretty 1637 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,839 Speaker 1: good feel for what they are going to aggressively pursue 1638 01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,920 Speaker 1: in free agency and in the veteran market. So we'll 1639 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,080 Speaker 1: be back next Thursday, same time, same place, and make 1640 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,880 Speaker 1: sure to subscribe to Patriots Catch twenty two wherever you 1641 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,960 Speaker 1: get your podcasts, and give us a review. Thanks so 1642 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:19,760 Speaker 1: much for listening. We'll see you next Thursday. Thank you 1643 01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,400 Speaker 1: for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, and 1644 01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,519 Speaker 1: everywhere else you listen. Like the show, Please rate and 1645 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,840 Speaker 1: review us. Listener comments and ratings help keep us high 1646 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,760 Speaker 1: on the podcast rankings so new listeners can find us. 1647 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to Checkpatriots dot com for more news and 1648 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:37,360 Speaker 1: more podcasts.