WEBVTT - When Blackmail Accidentally Uncovers Political Corruption

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a story of a Texas oil tycoon, a

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<v Speaker 2>congressman from Idaho, and a financial commodities broker in Oklahoma City,

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<v Speaker 2>and is the story of blackmail, Yes, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>a story of political corruption and ethics uncovered by that blackmail.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot going on here and almost everyone is guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarky.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Holly Frye. Let's meet this trio. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to start with the Texan tycoon. It was estimated that

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson bunker Hunt was worth between eight billion and sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars, yes, billion with a B. Hunt was a

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<v Speaker 1>Texas oil company executive who also owned one thousands, drove

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<v Speaker 1>a Cadillac, and lost most of his fortune when he

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<v Speaker 1>and two of his brothers, William, Herbert and Lamar tried

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<v Speaker 1>to corner the market in silver. Quote A billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>ain't what it used to be, he famously said. After

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<v Speaker 1>the collapse. Early in nineteen eighty one, bunker Hunt received

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<v Speaker 1>a blackmail letter demanding he paid four hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars in exchange for the blackmailer's silence about an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven thousand dollars bribe that Hunt had arranged for

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho Republican Representative George Hanson in the form of a

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<v Speaker 1>silver futures purchase for his wife, Connie Hanson, but actually

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<v Speaker 1>intended to line the pockets of her politician husband.

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<v Speaker 2>George Hanson served in the United States House of Representatives

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<v Speaker 2>for fourteen years, representing Idaho's second district between nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five and nineteen sixty nine, and then again from nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five nineteen eighty five. He was, as reported by

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times, known for his quote flamboyant's impulsiveness, affability,

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<v Speaker 2>and tireless campaigning. He was also a convicted swindler.

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<v Speaker 1>The third major player in this story is the blackmailer,

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Arthur Greenhill Emmons. The third Arthur was

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<v Speaker 1>an Oklahoma commodity's brokerage employee at the trading firm Mingen

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<v Speaker 1>Company that was where Connie Hanson had made a profit

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<v Speaker 1>of eighty seven thousand dollars speculating in silver in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine. Hunt had recommended the firm to the Hansons

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<v Speaker 1>and Emmons always believed that Hunt set up the silver

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<v Speaker 1>deal as a way of funneling bribe money to George Hanson,

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<v Speaker 1>although he could not prove it.

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<v Speaker 2>Outraged about the blackmail letter, Hunt's first instinct was to

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<v Speaker 2>report it to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Hanson, though

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<v Speaker 2>hearing of the blackmailer's letter, instead insisted it reported to

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<v Speaker 2>the Justice Department as he held political office, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time he was insistent that he was innocent

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<v Speaker 2>of any financial wrongdoing. That led Emmons, worried he'd be

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<v Speaker 2>exposed as a blackmailer by the Department of Justice, to

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<v Speaker 2>send a second letter to Bunker Hunt, asking him to

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<v Speaker 2>just forget about the whole thing. He signed it as

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<v Speaker 2>he had the first letter with the alias Gordon Warner.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI, which is the department that handles such cases,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't forget about the whole thing and tracked him down,

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<v Speaker 2>and Arthur turned himself in.

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<v Speaker 1>Emmons pleaded guilty to a single count of blackmail for

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<v Speaker 1>trying to demand money and threatening to tell the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>that he discovered Hunt had bribed Representative George Hansen circuitously

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<v Speaker 1>through his wife, Connie Emmon's attorney, James Lyons, refused to

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<v Speaker 1>comment on the case to the press, simply stating that

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<v Speaker 1>his client was quote extremely remorseful. The Washington Post reported

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<v Speaker 1>Slash speculated at the time that Emmon's blackmail attempt was

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<v Speaker 1>likely because Hunt had allegedly caused wild fluctuations in silver

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<v Speaker 1>prices in January of nineteen eighty fluctuations that financially hurt

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of small investors.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Emmens cooperated with the government, he was granted immunity

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<v Speaker 2>from prosecution. He received a suspended one year sentence and

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<v Speaker 2>was fined two thousand dollars, but the investigation didn't stop

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<v Speaker 2>with him. It opened questions and authorities began to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the nature of the relationship between the Texas billionaire

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<v Speaker 2>and the politician, and they found a bombshell. Hansen had

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<v Speaker 2>made false statements on his congressional financial disclosure forms, including

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<v Speaker 2>that eighty seven thousand dollars that Emmons noted in his

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<v Speaker 2>blackmail letter to Hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>These disclosure forms were part of the Ethics and Government Act,

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<v Speaker 1>a federal law enacted in nineteen seventy eight, passed in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of the Nixon Watergate scandal. Under the law,

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<v Speaker 1>all major government officials are required to file annual financial

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<v Speaker 1>disclosure statements of their sources of income. That law remains

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<v Speaker 1>in place today, and it includes one amounts of income,

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<v Speaker 1>gifts and reimbursements, two the identity and approximate value of

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<v Speaker 1>property held and liabilities owed. Three transactions in property, commodities

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<v Speaker 1>and securities, and for financial interests of a spouse or dependent.

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<v Speaker 1>It excludes the reporting of sources of political campaign funds,

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<v Speaker 1>including campaign receipts and expenditures. Campaign reporting falls under a

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<v Speaker 1>separate law.

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<v Speaker 2>Lawyers for Hunt and Hanson took swift action six days

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<v Speaker 2>after the blackmail attempt. Hunt's lawyers had Connie Hansen sign

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<v Speaker 2>notes for each loan in question. The loans they felt

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<v Speaker 2>needed to be clearly listed in Connie's name, and this

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<v Speaker 2>extra step was assurance they were. According to federal prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>read Winegarden, the real motive for it was that Hunt

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<v Speaker 2>and Hanson quote wanted to get their ducks in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a break here for a word

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<v Speaker 1>from our sponsors, and when we return, we'll talk in

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<v Speaker 1>detail about what Hanson didn't disclose and why he thought

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia George Hanson was charged for failing

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<v Speaker 2>to comply with the Ethics Act, and he was indicted

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<v Speaker 2>and went to trial. So let's talk about what went

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<v Speaker 2>on in that courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>George Hanson was indicted by a federal grand jury in

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<v Speaker 1>April of nineteen eighty one and tried on charges that

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<v Speaker 1>he failed to disclose four major financial transactions, including one

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<v Speaker 1>an eighty seven thousand, four hundred seventy five dollars profit

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<v Speaker 1>on the purchase and sale of one hundred twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>silver futures contracts over a two day period in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine. Two A fifty thousand dollars personal loan in

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<v Speaker 1>Connie Hanson's name from a Dallas bank co signed by

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt in nineteen seventy eight. Three, A sixty one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred three dollars and forty two cents loan directly

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<v Speaker 1>from Bunker Hunt in nineteen eighty two, Connie Hanson, and

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<v Speaker 1>four personal loans totaling one hundred thirty five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty one by individuals in Virginia. Feeling surprisingly

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<v Speaker 1>optimistic about his case, Hanson stated things quote could be

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<v Speaker 1>over before it starts. They were not.

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<v Speaker 2>On the first day of trial, Bunker, Hunt testified that

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<v Speaker 2>he had lent money and given financial advice to Connie Hanson,

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<v Speaker 2>but only after George Hansen had assured him that the

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<v Speaker 2>couple had made separate financial arrangements. He stated he had

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<v Speaker 2>quote some reservations about giving money directly to a politician,

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<v Speaker 2>but that Hanson had convinced him it would be quote

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<v Speaker 2>all right to help Connie make some money.

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt, who described himself on the stand as quote largely

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<v Speaker 1>self employed, testified for more than two hours. Federal prosecutor

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<v Speaker 1>Weingarten questioned him about his dealings with the Hansons and

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<v Speaker 1>if he had dealt only with Connie Hanson as a

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<v Speaker 1>quote way to provide George Hanson money and not get

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in trouble, to which Hunt replied, quote, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>put it that strongly. I was trying to help the

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<v Speaker 1>Hanson family with the problems they had. As to how

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<v Speaker 1>these two men knew each other, Hunt testified that Hanson

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<v Speaker 1>had approached him a few years earlier, in nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 1>after they had met at a dinner function. Hanson had

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<v Speaker 1>confided that he needed contributions to overcome between three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and four hundred thousand dollars in debts resulting from

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<v Speaker 1>his congressional campaign, as well as the cost of his

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<v Speaker 1>defense against charges that he had violated federal campaign laws.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecution discovered that Hanson and his wife had signed

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<v Speaker 2>a financial separation agreement dividing their property, which we mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>but they also discovered the couple didn't really play by

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<v Speaker 2>those rules. They had continued to keep everything in both

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<v Speaker 2>their names and filed joint tax returns. In addition, lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>for the prosecution traced the loans in question through a

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<v Speaker 2>network of banks to prove Hanson one hundred percent knew

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<v Speaker 2>about transactions in his wife's name and that he had

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<v Speaker 2>benefited from them. Addressing the jury, federal prosecutor James Cole

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<v Speaker 2>stated that Hanson had intentionally hidden transactions by filing false

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<v Speaker 2>statements and that quote, the evidence will show that he

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<v Speaker 2>knew they were a false and he and tended them

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<v Speaker 2>to be false when he filed them. Spoiler alert it did.

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<v Speaker 1>During the trial, it came to light that with a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of sleight of hand, the eighty seven thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which was actually eighty seven thousand, four hundred seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>dollars profit from the silver contracts had been suspiciously run

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<v Speaker 1>through two banks. Connie testified that the money was used

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<v Speaker 1>to pay off loans, but she could not recall what loans.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hunt backed fifty thousand dollars bank loan was intended

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<v Speaker 1>for Connie to cover a thirty three thousand, eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty five dollars loss on a nineteen seventy seven

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<v Speaker 1>soybeans commodities deal, a deal that the Hunt family had

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<v Speaker 1>also lost money in. Connie Hanson, though, failed to repay

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<v Speaker 1>that loan, and when the bank collected from Hunt, her

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<v Speaker 1>co signer, he then sought to get his money back

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<v Speaker 1>with interest, a total of sixty one thousand, five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>three dollars from the Hansons. These loans and the silver contracts,

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<v Speaker 1>they were all in Connie's name, a fact the prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>used to show that Representative Hanson knew exactly what he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing, and that was hiding money.

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<v Speaker 2>Hanson's explanation for the one hundred and thirty five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars loan was that the money, at least in part,

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<v Speaker 2>was for the Association of Concerned Taxpayers, a group that

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<v Speaker 2>promoted his book criticizing the Internal Revenue Service. He later

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<v Speaker 2>explained that he didn't declare it on his nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>two financial disclosure statements because he claimed the money was

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<v Speaker 2>given to an organization he created and headed to promote

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<v Speaker 2>his tax legislation and related book. He had, though, reported

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<v Speaker 2>the interest on his income tax returns, which were filed

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<v Speaker 2>jointly with his wife. John Mead Junior, a former Southern

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia banker who was himself later convicted of embezzlement, testified

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<v Speaker 2>he had lent Hanson fifty thousand dollars on November twenty first,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty one. Now, this was also part of the

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars in question, so

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<v Speaker 2>he meant it while he was trying to rally support

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<v Speaker 2>to convince the United States Army to explore research into

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<v Speaker 2>hydrogen cars. The loan, Meat also stated was intended to

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<v Speaker 2>help Hanson promote a book he was writing about Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense layer Stephen Braga argued the government's evidence was immaterial

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<v Speaker 1>to the charges and that it failed to prove Hanson

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<v Speaker 1>was calling the shots for his wife's financial dealings. Another

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<v Speaker 1>of Hanson's attorneys, Nathan Lewin called the congressman a quote

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<v Speaker 1>man of limited means who had quote an enormous personal

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<v Speaker 1>debt of nearly four hundred thousand dollars and that he

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<v Speaker 1>was in a quote terrible financial bind. He argued that

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<v Speaker 1>Hanson wasn't trying to hide anything and highlighted that it

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<v Speaker 1>was on an attorney's advice that he and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>had drawn up an agreement to separate their finances. When

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<v Speaker 1>Hanson filed the disclosure statements, Lewyn explained, quote he thought

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<v Speaker 1>those loans had been the property of missus Hanson, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're therefore not reportable on the forms.

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<v Speaker 2>So on that we're going to take a break for

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<v Speaker 2>a word from our sponsors. When we're back, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>more about Hanson's trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Criminalia. Guilty not guilty, Let's find out.

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<v Speaker 2>As we talked about earlier in the show, the Ethics

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<v Speaker 2>and Government Act requires Congressmen and other high ranking government

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<v Speaker 2>officials to file annual reports disclosing their income and other

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<v Speaker 2>financial transactions. Hanson's attorneys claimed his omissions from the Ethics

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<v Speaker 2>Disclosure Statements were not a willful violation of any law

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<v Speaker 2>because Congress did not intend to use those statements for anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but the jury didn't buy that. A United State's District

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<v Speaker 2>Court jury, which was sequestered in a local motel during

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<v Speaker 2>the trial, deliberated for three and a half hours and

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<v Speaker 2>found the congressman guilty on all four counts.

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<v Speaker 1>Hanson was the first public official to be tried for

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<v Speaker 1>violating the Ethics and Government Act, and if he was convicted,

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<v Speaker 1>he was facing a maximum of five years in prison

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<v Speaker 1>and a ten thousand dollars fine for each charge. He

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<v Speaker 1>was found guilty of four counts of filing false financial

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<v Speaker 1>disclosure statements.

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<v Speaker 2>In June of nineteen eighty four, United States District Court

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Joyce Hens Green sentenced Hansen to serve five to

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen months in prison and find him forty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for filing false financial disclosure forms to Congress in direct

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<v Speaker 2>violation of the nineteen seventy eight Ethics in Government Act.

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<v Speaker 2>Hanson could have been reprimanded, censured, or expelled from office,

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<v Speaker 2>and Green told him that she based his quote deterrence,

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<v Speaker 2>setting an example, punishment, rehabilitation, and justice. At his sentencing,

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<v Speaker 2>Hanson stated, quote, there was no theft, no scandalous stuffing

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<v Speaker 2>of money, into a politician's pocket. There was no kick

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<v Speaker 2>back from the staff or misuse of public funds. There

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<v Speaker 2>was no active drunkenness, no act of violence, no accident

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<v Speaker 2>leaving someone dead or injured. Hanson's lawyer, Lewin stated to

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<v Speaker 2>the press that he planned on filing for a new

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<v Speaker 2>trial on grounds that quote errors were made in the proceedings.

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<v Speaker 1>After his trial, Hanson accused the Justice Department of singling

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<v Speaker 1>him out for prosecution because he had criticized their department,

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<v Speaker 1>as he had the Internal Revenue Service. In a letter

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<v Speaker 1>to the House Standards of Official Conduct Committee, Hanson accused

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<v Speaker 1>Special Counsel Stanley Brand, who conducted the ethics investigation, of

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<v Speaker 1>having a quote direct conflict of interest, and wrote, quote

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<v Speaker 1>confidence in the non partisan deliberations of your committee has

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<v Speaker 1>been destroyed. Hanson also stated in his letter that Brand,

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<v Speaker 1>who was general counsel for the House of Representatives before

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<v Speaker 1>he entered private practice, was on retainer to the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Congressional Campaign Committee during the investigation, and that was a conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>Brand did work for the campaign on quote a limited matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had disclosed that to the Ethics panel, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a non issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Federal Prosecutor Winegarden stated that Hanson quote took great care

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<v Speaker 2>to hide very suspicious and potentially embarrassing transactions. In his

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<v Speaker 2>closing arguments addressing the jury, he stated that Hanson was

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<v Speaker 2>using his wife as a quote front for concealing his

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<v Speaker 2>financial dealings with Bunker Hunt. Winegarden called the financial separation

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<v Speaker 2>agreement quote phony and something that Hanson's used to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>the legal requirements of the Ethics Act, yet not when

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<v Speaker 2>it came to time to pay their taxes. He also

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<v Speaker 2>argued that Hanson's actions quote, when exposed to the fresh air,

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<v Speaker 2>emit an odor that can be picked up all the

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<v Speaker 2>way from Pocatello. It was not an odor of spring flowers,

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<v Speaker 2>but the stench of political corruption. Hanson, he continued, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>went to great lengths to hide that stench from his

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues on the hill, the press, and from the good

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<v Speaker 2>people of Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense attorney Lewin, who strongly believed that Wingarten brought the

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<v Speaker 1>indictment against Hanson for quote personal ambition, said after the

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<v Speaker 1>verdict that the impending appeal would cover a quote whole

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<v Speaker 1>range of issues involved in what he called quote an injustice.

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<v Speaker 1>Lewin also stated that he believed that jury sequestration had

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<v Speaker 1>led to quote an unfair verdict. Hanson stated that he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't blame the jury for that, but that the quote

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<v Speaker 1>smokescreen made by the Justice Department obscured the facts for

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<v Speaker 1>the jury. I consider myself innocence. Prosecutors Weingarten and Cole

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<v Speaker 1>stated they were quote satisfied justice was done.

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<v Speaker 2>So despite all this, Hanson ran for reelection that year

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<v Speaker 2>while appealing his conviction, and he lost only by one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty seven votes. Instead of serving in public office,

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<v Speaker 2>he served a year in federal prison. Actually he served

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<v Speaker 2>six months and then another six months for violating his parole.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety five, after many appeals, the charges against

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<v Speaker 2>him were dismissed by the Supreme Court. This wasn't Hanson's

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<v Speaker 2>first time in the courtroom, though, he was convicted in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five of election law violations, and it also

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't his last. He was subsequently convicted in an entirely

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<v Speaker 2>different case on forty five counts of bank fraud, for

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<v Speaker 2>which he was incarcerated for forty months. In nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 2>Hanson was also convicted and incarcerated on charges of defrauding

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<v Speaker 2>too Idaho banks and two hundred people in a thirty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar investment scheme. In true Hanson form, he denied

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<v Speaker 2>he'd done anything wrong and claimed the accusations against him

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<v Speaker 2>were nothing more than a government vendetta, which we've heard

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<v Speaker 2>a couple other times from him.

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<v Speaker 1>Who Hanson, do you want to have a sip of

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<v Speaker 1>something yummy to wash the taste of all of this

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<v Speaker 1>out of our mouths?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I do?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. This one was actually tricky for me to think about,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, how do I want to approach this.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about a few different things. I looked at,

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<v Speaker 1>like lists of crops in Texas, of things we might

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<v Speaker 1>include the usual stuff that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Do, right, what goes on in Idaho? Kind of do

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<v Speaker 2>something with potato?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't worry, there's going to be a potato, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's optional. And then it occurred to me like what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of drinks were people drinking in the seventies when

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<v Speaker 1>this actual criminal activity was going on? And what popped

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<v Speaker 1>into my mind was the Harvey wallbank.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I haven't heard thought of this drink in a

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing about a Harvey wallbanger. I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you're you know, I remember when we are of an

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<v Speaker 1>age where we heard about it as kids. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about you, but to me it sounded like

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<v Speaker 1>a badass what a name, right, That's a masculine hard drink.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually don't think I've ever had one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it tastes like a creamsicle like. It tastes like

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<v Speaker 1>a creamsicle. It's not like a shot of whiskey and

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<v Speaker 1>a punch in the eye. It's like literally, it tastes

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<v Speaker 1>like magic. But it has its own interesting history because

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually a really popular drink in the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>because it was promoted by the McKesson Imports company to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get attention on the liquor they were on

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<v Speaker 1>the liqueur they were importing, which is Galliano, of which

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<v Speaker 1>I am a fan Galliano. If you haven't had it before,

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<v Speaker 1>I've probably talked about it in recipes. Sometimes people will

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<v Speaker 1>refer to it as a vanilla liquor I probably have.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a little misleading because it also has notes of

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<v Speaker 1>annis and some other like citrus tones. There's a little

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<v Speaker 1>smoky note to it. It's its own interesting thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>their original one. They came up with this. It had

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<v Speaker 1>like a cartoon character that went with it, who was

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<v Speaker 1>like a surfer named Harvey Wallbanger, not at all like

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<v Speaker 1>the dudes in this story. Their original recipe for a

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Wallbanger, and it's like a variation on a screwdriver. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>six ounces of orange juice, one ounce of vodka, stir

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<v Speaker 1>with ice, splash in a half ounce of Galliano. So

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, how can we take this drink that was

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<v Speaker 1>very popular then and make it something different and a

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<v Speaker 1>little interesting and maybe even a little silly and also

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<v Speaker 1>very yummy, because that just sounded right. So for ours,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what we're doing. We're keeping the vodka, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>bumping it up to an ounce and a half. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is where I'm gonna make my case in case

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<v Speaker 1>anyone out there has not had a potato vodka, because

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<v Speaker 1>now it's the time. I love potato vodka. It's very smooth.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, vodka can be made out of almost anything.

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<v Speaker 1>There are actually arguments in among countries about the laws.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a big argument in the EU about what

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<v Speaker 1>could and cannot be considered vodka some years back. But really,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have like a sugar and something starchy, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can ferment those, you can make a vodka. But

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<v Speaker 1>a potato vodka is really like smooth and delicious. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not hard to find. There's several brands that are really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Most liquor stores carry them. If you can't find it

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<v Speaker 1>on the regular shelf, as the person that works at

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<v Speaker 1>your liquor store, sometimes it's on like that little narrow

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<v Speaker 1>shelf where they put like what they consider the higher

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<v Speaker 1>end vodkas.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point, yeah, but it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually not that expensive. Try potato vodka if you haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. So an ounce and a half of vodka,

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<v Speaker 1>a half ounce of Galiano. Look, if you can't find Galliano,

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<v Speaker 1>get a vanilla liqueur. It won't be quite the same,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can do it. And then you're gonna add

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<v Speaker 1>an ounce of pineapple juice. And I know they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>their stirred, but I like to shake this because the

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<v Speaker 1>liqueur and the juice, it just makes it all smooth

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<v Speaker 1>out together. And then you're gonna shake that with ice,

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<v Speaker 1>strain it over fresh ice in a highball glass. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we're not doing orange juice, but what we are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do is orange soda. This makes this the silliest,

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<v Speaker 1>tastiest drink. I will confess a thing. I made this

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<v Speaker 1>twice this morning. I did not drink two cocktails before

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<v Speaker 1>we came in. I didn't have to make it twice

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. Often I'll look for a low sugar soda. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got one of the fancy pantsy unicorn orange sodas

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<v Speaker 1>that has low sugar and prebiotics in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fine, but it wasn't what I was after.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want the soda from our childhood?

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<v Speaker 1>Then? Yeah, I had to go back and get the

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<v Speaker 1>SODA's of our childhood. There are a few different very

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<v Speaker 1>yummy orange sodas that, depending on where you lived, might

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<v Speaker 1>have been your jam. And that that's perfect. This is

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<v Speaker 1>one that literally tastes like it just is that moment

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<v Speaker 1>in Ratituey. Yeah, when anton Ego remembers being a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>it took me right back to like being a kid

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<v Speaker 1>on my skates.

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<v Speaker 2>I know exactly what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Go into the pool. I was like, I'm gonna skate

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<v Speaker 1>down to the pool and then I'm gonna swim, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm gonna put my skates back on and go home.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like that, and I like that it brought

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<v Speaker 1>about that sense of innocence when we have been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about nothing but corruption. It's like the antidote to this time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just about to say that it's a nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Pairing to make this a mocktail is easyspie. We are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say sometimes we'll do a bump up and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>just use more juice. Don't in this case because it's

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<v Speaker 1>already really sweet. So you will still use your ounce

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<v Speaker 1>of pineapple juice. When I mentioned top it off with

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<v Speaker 1>orange soda, I put about four ounces on mine. You

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<v Speaker 1>can up or down that depending on your taste, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did about four ounces. And instead of the vodka,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just use like a sparkling water or a

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<v Speaker 1>seltzer if you have it, And obviously you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>shake that because your shaker will pop. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then instead of galiano, I would skip that completely,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would add a couple drops of vanilla extract.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't do a vanilla syrup here because you already

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of sweet stuff going on and that's

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<v Speaker 1>just going to make it cloying. So that again the

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<v Speaker 1>mocktail is an ounce and a half of sparkling water

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<v Speaker 1>or seltzer, a couple drops of vanilla liquor, an ounce

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<v Speaker 1>of pineapple juice, and then four ounces at your discretion

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<v Speaker 1>of orange soda total. So still very yummy. It's still

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<v Speaker 1>going to make you feel like you're in a younger time.

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<v Speaker 1>It also like, let's be clear, these things were happening

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<v Speaker 1>when I was at the age that I was putting

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<v Speaker 1>on my roller skates and running around town and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go swimming and be innocent. It's all tied into

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<v Speaker 1>my psyche in terms of we all need a break,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a drink that gives you a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Every once in a while. You need a ridiculous drink

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<v Speaker 1>that is sweet and is based on the soda as

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<v Speaker 1>you grew up with when you were a kid. It's true,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something so fun about it and you can't help

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<v Speaker 1>but giggle. It's not like the kind of thing you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna savor with friends inand bar. It's exactly what you

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<v Speaker 1>need sometimes. Stick a straw in that thing and have

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<v Speaker 1>your moment travel back in time to innocence, and then

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<v Speaker 1>all that sugar will give you the energy to fight

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<v Speaker 1>the corrupt people in our lives today.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. I think we all know I'm not the biggest,

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<v Speaker 2>like sweet person. This is so childhood for me that

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<v Speaker 2>I that doesn't even matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just fun. It's just fun. And we are

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<v Speaker 1>calling this one the Fraudster because it's almost it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even feel like you're drinking a cocktail even though there's

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<v Speaker 1>a vodka and Gollano.

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<v Speaker 2>In it, so just having some orange soda.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels fake. It references the many frauds of Hansen,

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<v Speaker 1>so hopefully puts a smile on your face. We certainly

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<v Speaker 1>get smiles on our faces knowing that you have spent

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<v Speaker 1>this time with us, and we hope you will come

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<v Speaker 1>back next week. We're going to talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about blackmail, but we're nearing the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>season and then we'll roll into something brand new. We

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<v Speaker 1>will see you right back here next week on Criminalia.

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