1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is July twenty fifth, and 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: what a week it's been. Malcolm Jamal Warner dead, Ozzy 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Osbourne dead, Hulk Hogan dead, and all of them died 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: within a five day period this week. What more evidence 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: do you need of the rule actually existing? Yes, celebrities 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: die in threes. And with that, welcome to this episode 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Yes, I present that robes as 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: evidence that celebrities die in threes. But there's an argument 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: that it's all in our heads. But you can't deny 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: these aren't just three celebrities that we saw this week 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: within a five day period. 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: These are three legends that died within a five day period. 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: And I'm sure this is something that anecdotally people have 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: said often, but in newsrooms, this is something that we 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: actually have lived by. We I mean, you've heard this before, 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 2: Like you get a big celebrity who passes, and then 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: everyone says who's next because there are two more? And 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: then it feels like, at least when I reflect back 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: that that happened more often than you would think in 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: a way that it felt not just coincidental, but it 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: felt like, yeah, maybe that is a thing. 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: And we won't go as far as say that any 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: newsroom I was in put things in place to prepare, 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: But in your mind, as a reporter in that newsroom, 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: you're almost bracing yourself or something else is coming this week, 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: or something else has come. 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: And it was talked about openly having those discussions who's next, 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 2: what's going to happen, and then there would be news 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: of another celebrity death, and then everybody would be waiting 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: for the third one. That absolutely happened multiple times in 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: my career. 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: We never got a chance to recover this week from 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: no mourning anybody's death, because another one came, and then 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: another one came. So we go back to Sunday, which 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: is July the twentieth. I have it right. The word 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: a shock the hell out of us all. Malcolm Jamal 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: molt Warner, fifty four years old dies on vacation in 38 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Costa Rica. 39 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah we found out on Monday morning, did we not? 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: Because it happened Sunday afternoon or something. So yeah, we 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: were all shocked. Theo Huxtable immediately put on the Cosby 42 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: Show and started remembering him and how much he meant 43 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: to so many of us, and. 44 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: So that is he was on a show that goes 45 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: beyond just popularity. It goes beyond just something we all enjoyed. 46 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: This was an iconic history making show and he was 47 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: in the midst of it. Healthy fifty four year old 48 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: guy drowns two days later, two days after he died. 49 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: But it was two days later, but we got word 50 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: the very next day, did correct, because we got word 51 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: on the twenty first that Malcolm was dead the twenty second, 52 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: the next day, Ozzy Osbourne, that's not just a celebrity death. 53 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: No, no, And yes, he was a pioneer in heavy 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: metal and certainly was the lead singer of Black Sabbath, 55 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: But that show, the Osbourns, that brought him into such 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: a popular fame outside of music, outside of that heavy 57 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: metal genre. You didn't have to be a fan of 58 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: his music to actually be a fan of his and 59 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: his families. It started and launched the careers of Sharon 60 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: Osbourne and his daughter, and we just got to know 61 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: them and love them and said, you saw a befuddled 62 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: family man, comedic at times, versus this rock star who 63 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: was biting the heads off of dup. So Yes, he 64 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: was just a huge part of American culture. 65 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: He was a pioneer in music, but that show almost 66 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: made him iconic, because you become a legend right when 67 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: you are able to touch more than one generation. He 68 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: became legendary. I was watching that show. I had no 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: idea about his music, no clue. I knew he was 70 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: a rock star. 71 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: Something don't strike me as the heavy metal kind of guy. 72 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: No, I didn't get into it later in life, but 73 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: that made him iconic. And then we have two days 74 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: after that, Hulk Hogan. This is not just some wrestler 75 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: or some famous guy. So this week Robes, we saw 76 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: three icons go. So of course this conversation comes back up. Obviously, 77 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: there this happens. This is not just a myth. It's 78 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: not just superstitious. Obviously, celebrities die in threes. Are you 79 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: a believer? You know? 80 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: I think it's I do lean into it. Look, do 81 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: I think it always happens this way? It has to 82 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: happen this way? No, But I do think it is 83 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: bizarre that it has happened like this over the years. 84 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: And there are so many instances that we can point 85 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: to that backs up. If you want to make this 86 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: your theory, there is a lot of anecdotal proof behind it. 87 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: So we're going to remind you folks of some of them. 88 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: And I know when this happened this week, you have 89 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: You've probably had a discussion already with some friend or 90 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: somebody in the office about this very thing, and then 91 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: you try to think, now, what were the other ones? 92 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: What were the other ones? And rose we start here 93 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: with one that was in specifically December of twenty sixteen. 94 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: This might not have been the first one that came 95 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: to people's minds, but you certainly will remember it. 96 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Alan Thick December thirteenth. He collapsed while 97 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: playing hockey. He was only sixty nine years old. But 98 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: talk about somebody who came into our homes and into 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: our lives and was a huge part of so many 100 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: of our coming of age. Alan Thick, the family man 101 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: from Family Ties, right, I always get, yes, growing pains, 102 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: family ties, growing paints. I always get those two mixed up. Sorry, 103 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: growing pains. But he was the dad that we all loved. 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he was just funny and of course his 105 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: son Robin. He was just a huge part of American culture. 106 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: So this is December, right, We're getting ready for the 107 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: holidays around this time. So December thirteenth. Alan Thick dies 108 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: ten days later. George Michael Heartfeil fifty three years old. 109 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: Now that is a big one that I remember, and 110 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: I remember I was doing a lot of coverage around 111 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: George Michael just the sudden passing of again he was 112 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: an icon in way, so many ways, but in different 113 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: music genres and in pop culture and in the LGBTQ 114 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: plus community. He became iconic in so many ways. 115 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: That was a huge loss, heart failure at fifty three. 116 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: I didn't realize he was that young when he passed. 117 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: My goodness, and then this one hit Ah hit me 118 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 2: so hard and so personally. I fell in love with 119 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: this woman, obviously when I was young as Princess Leah, 120 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: but certainly as she got older, with her wit and 121 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: her hilariousness. It was one of my favorite interviews I 122 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: ever did in my entire life, the amazing Carrie Fisher. 123 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: She died December twenty seventh. That shocked the hell out 124 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: of so many of us cardiac arrest and by the way, 125 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: her mother died shortly thereafter, so that was a tough stretch. 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: In December of twenty sixteen. 127 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: I believe she was just sixty. It seems like Star 128 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: Wars has been a part of my life. I even 129 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: came out when I was the Diarra was born. So 130 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: she has to think she was so young that she 131 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: has become iconic in this legend and she was just sixty. 132 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: That was so much more life she had to live now. 133 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: That was twenty sixteen. We moved to twenty eighteen. That 134 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people will remember because this was a 135 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: big story Glee star Nya Rivera. I remember she was 136 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: missing from the lake for a little washer going out 137 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: of the boat. 138 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: Goodness story. Totally forgot about that. 139 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: That was July eighth of twenty eighteen. 140 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: July eighth, and then Regis Philbin passed on July twelfth, 141 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: just four days later from heart disease. He was eighty 142 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 2: eight years old. We don't need to explain why Regis 143 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: Philbin was just the iconic host that he was and 144 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: will ever be remembered as Regis and Kathy Lee, right, 145 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: I mean, that is just going to go down in history. 146 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: Has there ever been a better duo on television than 147 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: the two of them? 148 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: Wow? 149 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: I can't, I can't. I mean maybe Matt and Katie 150 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: would come as a distant second, but what. 151 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: Argument would somebody make that those two weren't the ultimate duo. 152 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: They created and popularized and made that talk show format 153 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: what it is today. 154 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: And everybody's been trying to do it ever since, and. 155 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: They had No one's been able to replicate what Regis 156 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: and Kathy Lee were able to do. 157 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then twelve days after his passing, Kelly Preston. 158 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: That was heartbreaking. Yes, that was breast cancer recurrence. And 159 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: she had, you know, she had had all of this, 160 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: you know, heartbreak with her son Jed dying. They were 161 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: able to have this miracle baby. I think she was 162 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: fifty years old and had a baby with her husband, 163 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: of course, John Travolta. But that one was gutting to 164 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: know that Kelly Preston died way too young from breast. 165 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Cancer young as well, fifty seven years old. So that 166 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: was twenty eighteen. In July, you had those three death 167 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Now we're going to move to July of twenty twenty three, 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: and one person who died in July we were just 169 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: recently were about her. 170 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: We were Jane Burkin, of course, who made the Burkin 171 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: bag famous, but was an actress in her own right. 172 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: But she died on July sixteenth, at the age of 173 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: seventy six, and then Tony Bennett passed away just a 174 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: few days later on July twenty first, he had Alzheimer's. 175 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: And then Snead O'Connor July twenty sixth of that same 176 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: month at fifty six. I've gone back and looking through 177 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: some of these. Some of these folks were so young, 178 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: but there you go. In July of twenty twenty three, 179 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: you have in a ten day period, we lose Jane Burkin, 180 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: Tony Bennett, Shannat O'Connor. This list so far. You look 181 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: at this and go, wow, it's just freaky. It's weird. 182 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: And they are days apart, sometimes barely even a week apart. 183 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: It's just freaky. Now all this came about. Did you 184 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: remember this story? I only remember it because of the 185 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: song American Pie, where there's a line in there about 186 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: the day the music died, and February third of nineteen 187 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: fifty nine Robes is the day they're specifically talking about, 188 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of people will point to that day 189 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: as the day. They kind of got people going on 190 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: this idea that celebrities die in threes. 191 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: Yes, so, Buddy, Holly Richie Vallens and the Big Bopper. 192 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: All three died in a plane crash together. Yes, February third, 193 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty nine. It happened in Iowa, and it certainly 194 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: it rocked not just the music world but the world 195 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: with their deaths. And yes, the day the music died. 196 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: And the Big Bopper. I might not remember that name 197 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: as well as you remember a Buddy Holly and Richie Vallens, 198 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: but I put on one of the Big Bopper's songs 199 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: and you immediately like, yeah, I know that song. 200 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: Wasn't Shantilly Yeah, Shantilly Lace. 201 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Shantilly Lace. You immediately jumped in and knew exactly 202 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: what it was. So that's the day. Really, A lot 203 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: of people point to where all of it started in 204 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: all of the I guess superstition in pop culture kind 205 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: of began with this, but you moved to twenty sixteen. 206 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Another trio. Everybody will remember this one because it includes 207 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: Prince in this trio. But he wasn't the first of 208 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: the three celebrities that died that month. 209 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: Doris Roberts died on April seventeenth. She died in her 210 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: sleep at the age of ninety. 211 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: From Seinfeld Double Seinfeld Fame, right, which she played George's mom. 212 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I have it right. Yes, she was Missus Costanza. 213 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: Yes. And then of course Prince died four days later 214 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: of an overdose at the age of fifty one. 215 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: Wow, he was fifty one. Damn, that's wild. April twenty first, 216 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: so yeah, just a few days later. And then China 217 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: died April twentieth, and that too was an accidental overdose 218 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 2: and she was just forty. 219 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: Six WWE superstar at the time. That really messed people. 220 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Prince obviously is the most influential name, without 221 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: a question in that particular group. But this is one 222 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: where you have somebody that big and that iconic and 223 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: have other people who were that popular die within although 224 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: think died within four days of each other. Those three folds. 225 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: You know it's wild too, because I'm looking back the Naya, 226 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: Regis Philibin and Kelly Preston all that was. That was 227 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: two was twenty eighteen. Sorry, the twenty sixteen was Alan 228 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: think George Michael Carey Fisher. That was two trifectas in 229 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: one year. Because now we're back at twenty sixteen with 230 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: Doris Prince in China. 231 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Wow, twenty thirteen. Excuse me, twenty twenty three. You pulled 232 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: this one up, And this is one I remember, Bob Barker. 233 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: That was in August, on August twenty sixth of twenty 234 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, but I didn't remember. It was just 235 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: less than a week later. Two more very notable folks, 236 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: one absolutely legendary that died. 237 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: Bob Barker first, but then Jimmy Buffett died on September first. Again, 238 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: I don't believe he needs any explanation. Obviously his music 239 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 2: lives on and is celebrated daily. But Governor New former 240 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson also died on September first. 241 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: They died on the exact same day. I didn't realize that. 242 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: But this is all within less than a week. Bob Barker, 243 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: Governor Richardson, Jimmy Buffett all pass. 244 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: But the one that I guess probably the first thing 245 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: people might think of when they think of celebrities dying 246 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: in threes, because a lot of people can remember where 247 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: they were in June of two thousand and nine, in 248 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: particularly on June twenty fifth, because do you remember where 249 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: you were on the day and got word that Michael 250 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: Jackson had died. 251 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: I was on a plane. I was on a plane 252 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: to California. And I know this because I was I 253 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: had gotten Wi Fi and ABC had texted me and said, 254 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: we need you to cover this. You need to get 255 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: into the studio right now, to do a special report. 256 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: And I said, I'm on a plane flying to California 257 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: right now. So yes, I remember exactly where I was. 258 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: Where were you. 259 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: At the Hudson Hotel here at Columbus Circle in New York. 260 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: I was having lunch with a friend in the courtyard 261 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: beautiful day, and there was a DJ there started playing 262 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: repeated Michael Jackson songs and I just looked down on 263 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: my phone and sure enough. 264 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: You know what's wild about that? You and I did 265 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: not discuss this before we hopped on to record this podcast. 266 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know that I knew where I was when 267 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson died. I didn't know I was going to 268 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: ask you, And when you asked me that, the memory 269 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 2: just popped right in my head. That's significant. 270 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: Remember the direction I was sitting, where I was facing. 271 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: It was a female DJ at the time. 272 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember exactly. It's funny. I remember where I 273 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: was on the plane I remember the view, I remember 274 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: the feeling I had. All of that came just wait, 275 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: like a wave over me. 276 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Wow, So janet excuse. Michael Jackson died on June twenty fifth, 277 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: a few hours before we heard about his death. Farah 278 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: Fawcett had died our same day she died. They died 279 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: on the same day. She was sixty two. 280 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: That just shocked me. Farah Fawcett died of cancer at 281 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 2: the age of sixty two. I don't know. Maybe it's 282 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 2: the older I get, the younger people seemed to me 283 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: when they die, because two thousand and nine, maybe I 284 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: thought sixty two was old. Now I'm thinking, wow, that's 285 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: ten years from now. So yeah, she passed way too 286 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: soon on sixty two. 287 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: I can't see her past a few iconic images. To 288 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: be honest with you, yeah, she's will ever for be 289 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: this young starlet in a lot of people's minds. But 290 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: two days before they died. Ed McMahon, goodness, that is 291 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: that dude has been a part of our lives, all 292 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: of our lives since birth. 293 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 2: Well, Bob Barker and Ed McMahon are both a part 294 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: of a death trio that's kind of interesting in and 295 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: of itself, the connection between those two. 296 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: But they have a name for this. I can't remember 297 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: the death Day or there's some really horrific name people 298 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: used to refer to that one that is a big deal, 299 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: a big day in June of two thousand and nine. 300 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: But with all of this that happens, and all this 301 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: evidence we seem to be able to present, there are 302 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: some people out there who will tell you that they 303 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: can prove through science that these things aren't happening in threes. 304 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: What's really happening, it's all in your mind. 305 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: Before we go to break, I have to tell you 306 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: about new leggings I've been living in lately. 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Got to think 325 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: that so many of you have been talking about it 326 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: with your friends and at the office, and that theory 327 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: that we all seemed to bring up, because it does 328 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: seem to happen so often that celebrities die in threes. Theory, 329 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: improven theory or a scientific fact, but certainly you get 330 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: to the point where I after we had the second death, 331 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: after we heard about the passing of Ozzy, it does 332 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: get into your head, who's next, Who is the third 333 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: celebrity going to be? And sure enough, yesterday we all 334 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: found out the news that hul Cogan had suddenly passed 335 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: of cardiac arrest and so we started to think, hey, 336 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: this has happened before. There's a reason why we think 337 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: celebrities die in three So we did a little bit 338 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: of a deep dive. TJ. You were on the internet 339 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: sleuthing looking for examples, and it wasn't hard to find. 340 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: And then we remembered all those moments over the past 341 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: several decades where we thought the same thing. 342 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: Every single one that we've named so far, I remember 343 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't remember off the top of my head, but 344 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: soon I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, And seventy 345 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: percent of these. 346 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: We covered exactly. 347 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: We absolutely did. So we remember once we see him. 348 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: A few others want to give you here, And these 349 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: come with kind of an asterisk because in Gin January 350 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, Sidney Poitier died at the age 351 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: of ninety four. That was on January sixth of twenty 352 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: twenty two. That was followed by Bob Sagett January ninth 353 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, and then Andre Leon Tally January 354 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: eighteenth of twenty twenty two. So those deaths were twelve 355 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: days apart. Now you look at that and think about 356 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: the influence, and some people might not know Andre Leon 357 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: Tally's name Ammelily, but he's a fashion icon African American 358 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: fashion journalist who is considered a very very big iconic deal. 359 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: But a lot of people obviously lumped him into that 360 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: celebrity case. But some arguing, what do you think does 361 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: it matter how big the celebrity is, because we got 362 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: A plus celebrities, a A minus celebrities, you got C 363 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: level cele You have folks who are known, are in 364 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: the public eye, But does it count as a celebrity? 365 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: Three death that they are not on the same level 366 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: as Jimmy Buffet. 367 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: Every time I think so. And I always heard someone say, 368 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: if your name is bold faced in the New York 369 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: Post in page six, you're a celebrity. That was the litmus. 370 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: Tack and God bless you poor thing. But no, to 371 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: your point, there one other example I know twenty eighteen. 372 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: There were a few days in twenty eighteen that we 373 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: could not believe what was happening. 374 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: This was this was shocking. Was it was shocking too 375 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: because these well two of them were death by suicide. 376 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: In one you could say is as well it was accidental, perhaps, 377 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: but Kate Spade that one, that one was just gutting 378 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: that happened June fifth of twenty eighteen. How many of 379 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: us have worn Kate Spade, have her bags, just looked 380 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: up to her as a just an incredible female who 381 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: made her way in the fashion world and became the 382 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 2: brand that she was. To think that she died by 383 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: suicide was just so shocking, terrible. 384 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: We had a lot of conversations after that as a 385 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: society just about signs being missed, and we didn't realize 386 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: that so much was talked about the pain she was in. 387 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: We had no idea, We had no idea. But then 388 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: here comes three days later, Anthony Bourdain. 389 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: Three days later, Anthony Bourdain June eighth. You looked at 390 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: him and saw his life and his work, and you 391 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: just thought, what an. 392 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: Incredible best job in the world he had. 393 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: What an incredible job. And I believe he died in 394 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: this beautiful village in France, like picture exactly what people 395 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: would hope to become, or a life they would hope 396 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: to live. And yet still he was suffering, and none 397 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: of us knew, None of us knew, even his own girlfriend. 398 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 2: It was just beyond shocking. 399 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: These were two who seemed to publicly have it all, 400 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: have it all, and have it all together right. The 401 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: other Boordain had been through some things in his life 402 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: he had talked about and had come out of it 403 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: and in his I'm not kidding, how could he not 404 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: have You cannot consider that the best show in the world. 405 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: You get to travel all around the world, meet new 406 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: people and eat the best food you can find. 407 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: He can get paid handsomely to do it. 408 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: And so that those two in a three day period. 409 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: We were mourning for quite some time after that and 410 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: having conversations. But Jackson O'Dell, I don't remember, this actor 411 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: from the Goldbergs died at the age of twenty. I 412 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: believe it was an overdose. An overdose as well there, 413 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: but died on June tenth. So those three died within 414 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: three days of each other. Again, Jackson O'Dell was on 415 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: a show that was very popular. He wasn't the main character, 416 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: but he was somebody who was known in the public 417 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: guy and I'm sure his name appeared on whatever celebrity page. 418 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: Yes, of course it did, so those I remember that. 419 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 2: In fact, it's so interesting when we even just bring 420 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: it back up. I can still feel the pain and 421 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: the discomfort in my body just to hear that all 422 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: happened to people who we loved and looked up to, 423 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 2: all within a very short period. And that's a five 424 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: day span as well. 425 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: So if all these examples, I think we've given eight 426 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: here now, and there are more. But there are some 427 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: out there who argue roads this is all a matter 428 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: of being in your head and it's science. It's something 429 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: that our brain does sometimes even to protect itself and 430 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: to protect us. But it's called apophenia. I was not 431 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: familiar with it. But apenia. It's a p h O 432 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: p h e n I A apenia. I spell that 433 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: right now? 434 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a p O p h e 435 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: n I. A. 436 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: There it is. She spelled it right. I did not appenia. 437 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: But it's this idea that we find. Our brain does this. 438 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: It finds patterns and assigns meanings to patterns, even if 439 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: the patterns are actually meaningless and random. We have the 440 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: ability to do this in our head. That can sometimes 441 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: protect us in certain situations, but sometimes it causes us 442 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: to do what we do here. We see random things. 443 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: Somebody dies in this country every what eleven seconds? Is 444 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: I think the thing is so naturally. There are a 445 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of famous people, and a lot of them are 446 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: going to die too, and sometimes they're going to die 447 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: within days of each other or weeks of each other, 448 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: and our brain is determining this must mean something. We 449 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: have to put this together instead of possibly just realizing 450 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: this could all just be life and it could all 451 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: be random. 452 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 2: There's an article I read, the danger of apafenia. Not 453 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: everything happens for a reason, but I think so many 454 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: of us and present party included, want to make sense 455 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: of the senseless, and so this is a part of it. 456 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: We want a pattern to mean something. We want it 457 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: to be something we can learn from or something we're 458 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: supposed to understand, even if it can just be absolutely random. 459 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: There was some examples about what people do in the 460 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: name of apafenia. They say many people choose their lottery 461 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: numbers based on the birth dates of their family members, 462 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: thinking that that's going to give them a better chance. 463 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: But they're saying it doesn't increase, obviously anyone's chance of winning, 464 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: but it makes you feel like it might. And so 465 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: that's just one example they gave, outside of deaths or 466 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: anything else where we're trying to connect the or create 467 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: some sort of order to something that is absolutely random. 468 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: And so they also say, hey, look, people who are 469 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 2: really into apifenia, who really try to connect it outs 470 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 2: sometimes that's a that's a sign of mental illness, specifically schizophrenia. 471 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting as well. That's on 472 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: the extreme case of it, where they're always making a 473 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: connection to everything, and it's actually detrimental, significantly mentally detrimental 474 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: to be in that frame of mind at all times. 475 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: We're always in a three frame of mind as well. 476 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's the Holy Trinity, right, the Father 477 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: of the Son, the Holy Spirit. But we have someone 478 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: pointing out all these examples, I mean, rock, paper scissors, 479 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: three blond mice. We just do these three rhythms, and 480 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: as far the best example I heard apafenia, the best 481 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: example I heard is this, how many times we do 482 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: we do this one today? Look down at the phone 483 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: and say, ooh, it's eleven eleven all the time, okay, 484 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: And then I make a wish, ooh, seventeen seventeen your 485 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: favorite number. Seventeen four four four is another one I love, 486 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: and we see it all the time of doing Some. 487 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 2: People call them angel numbers or angel signs, and I 488 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: love looking up. When I see a repeated pattern, whether 489 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 2: it's a bill that I get, if somehow our lunch 490 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: bill ends up after just randomly some number that's repeated, 491 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 2: it's a sign. It's a sign of something that I 492 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: need to understand, that I need to read. And if 493 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: you google anything like that, they'll be someone out there 494 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: who gives you a reason for why you saw something repeated. 495 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because you're an apopheniac. 496 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: I do. I do like that. You know what it makes? 497 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 2: You know what it does? It makes you feel safe, 498 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: It makes you feel comfortable, It makes you feel like 499 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: you can understand something when we don't understand shit in 500 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: this world. 501 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: Because we want controlled we want a pattern, we want 502 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: an understanding the thing, and that is what causes us 503 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: to do this. This same abathenia idea is why they 504 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: say people are selling toast on eBay with an image 505 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ in it, because you're trying to find 506 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: something in fine meaning and telling yourself. But the best 507 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: example is the eleven eleven I swear to you, I 508 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: see that every day to eleven four forty four. You 509 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: know why, because you don't pay attention when it's three 510 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: twenty two you don't care when it's ten thirteen, because 511 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: what you do. You saw those numbers too, but this 512 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: is the one you took note of in your mind, 513 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: and you're saying, there's a pattern. I saw it today, 514 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: I saw it yesterday, And you're fooling yourself into thinking, yeah, 515 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: this is fascinating. 516 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: How we want to believe that the outcome isn't just chance, 517 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: isn't just random. We want to believe that there's a purpose, 518 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: there's a higher probability if this happens, then that will happen, 519 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: and we feel comforted in knowing what to expect when truly, 520 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: obviously we all know this intellectually. Things sometimes are unexpected 521 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: and random and not with any meaning whatsoever other than 522 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: should happen. I mean, I think that's the opposite of epaphenia. Right, 523 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: shit happens. We don't want to believe that. We want 524 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: to believe that there's a reason, there's a purpose. It 525 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: does make you feel better to lean into that. 526 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: At the same time, I bet there is some part 527 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: of us, as crazy as it sounds, we're almost relieved 528 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: that we got the third We're not happy that Hulk 529 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: Hogan's died. But what I'm saying is okay, we got three. 530 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: We can relax. We don't have another one's not coming in. 531 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: We don't have to worry about other celebrity deaths. 532 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy to think like that? But I know 533 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people out there, Look, this is interesting 534 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: some time to talk about it, and even at times 535 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: it's fun to talk about. But it's no doubt a 536 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: lot of people, not just those families, are hurting today 537 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: because all three of these folks who passed this week, 538 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: these three celebs, have impacted my life in a major 539 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: way from childhood. Yeah, all three. So a lot of 540 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: people out there are hurting today. Why it happened, How 541 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: it happened, if it's chance, or if there's this superstition 542 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: thing that is actually real. 543 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: Well it's something to think about and all always something 544 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: to remember, and certainly our hearts go out to all 545 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: those who were lost this week, of course the three celebrities, 546 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 2: But as you pointed out, TJ, there is a death 547 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: in this world or this country every eleven seconds. But 548 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: it's just another reminder to hey, you know, we can 549 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: look for the patterns and we can look for a 550 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: way to maybe make ourselves feel better about the randomness 551 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: of life, but it is a reason to remember what's 552 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: important and how you want to spend your time and 553 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: who you want to spend your time with. So go 554 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 2: hug the people you love today and we hope you 555 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: all have a wonderful weekend. I made me robock On 556 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: behalf of my partner TJ. Holmes. Thanks for listening.