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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now?

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Speaker 1: The history podcast That's not your history class with me

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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlewood, history harlot and reader of books,

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Speaker 1: and at my show in London on Saturday night, I forgot.

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Speaker 1: I forgot that I do this every week, sometimes twice

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Speaker 1: a week, depending on how much I'm recording. But I

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Speaker 1: forgot the whole bit after Delicious Friends, because I was like, hello,

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Speaker 1: delicious friends, and then I was like, Oh, if you

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Speaker 1: don't know me, that's going to sound like a weird

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Speaker 1: thing to say. And so I was like, oh, in

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Speaker 1: the beginning of my podcast, I say this thing, and

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Speaker 1: then I could not remember the line like what. In

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Speaker 1: my defense, I was very tired. I was. It was

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Speaker 1: a calamity of errors. But I had been to an

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Speaker 1: awards and a business awards event the night before. We

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Speaker 1: didn't win, but I was there the night before and

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Speaker 1: I left about two o'clock in the morning, and then

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Speaker 1: I had to leave at like seven for my flight,

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Speaker 1: and then my bus broke down, and then my flight

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Speaker 1: I had to change my flights because my bus I

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Speaker 1: had to change buses. And then when I got to London,

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Speaker 1: the like the pod thing and the airport wasn't working,

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Speaker 1: so I had to take the shuttle bus, which then

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Speaker 1: even later, and then when I was on the tube,

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Speaker 1: the tube got diverted and I had to change tubes.

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Speaker 1: It was just one thing after another. But yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was a very busy weekend and I had a great

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Speaker 1: time in London. And if the Other Palace would like

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Speaker 1: to have me back ever, I would love to come

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Speaker 1: back and be there. It was such a fun time.

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Speaker 1: It was such a good show, and I'd love to

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Speaker 1: come back because I Ah, it was like such a

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Speaker 1: good atmosphere and everyone was so lovely and at one

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Speaker 1: point I'm talking to women about whims. It was really

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Speaker 1: really good time. But I know what you're thinking. You're thinking,

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Speaker 1: Kerry quite your Jebba Jabba, In fact me, in fact you,

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Speaker 1: I will. But first we've got to get our source

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Speaker 1: on the Origin of God by me Otis Blackburn. Cult

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Speaker 1: of the Grade eleven by Samuel Fort Sime Valley, A

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Speaker 1: Journey through Time by Patricia Havens and Bill Appleton, People

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Speaker 1: Versus Blackburn from the California Supreme Court. We also have

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Speaker 1: articles from the Los Angeles Times, the Syracuse Herald, Time Magazine,

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Speaker 1: and the Washington Post. I used it in Comfortably Good.

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Speaker 1: Then let's begin. So the Blackburn Cult. The story of

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Speaker 1: the Blackburn Cult is one that I've wanted to tell

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Speaker 1: for a good chunk of time. Now, Like this was

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Speaker 1: very nearly The La Show. Like it was very nearly

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Speaker 1: that before I ended up picking Mary Astor and the

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Speaker 1: Purple Diary scandal, right, So like it was very it

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Speaker 1: was very close, but like Golden Age of Hollywood is

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Speaker 1: always a bit more like fun, and the Blackburn Cult is, hey,

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Speaker 1: quite a depressing story. You're warned, I'm going to talk

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Speaker 1: about bad things and bad things happening to people, and

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Speaker 1: if you're you're not okay with that, if you're your

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Speaker 1: sensitive in anyway, you're gonna want to exit stage left, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise stay and enjoy horrible history. And so it was

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Speaker 1: very nearly the La Show. But also there's like so

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Speaker 1: much information that I want to talk about in this

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Speaker 1: that it just wasn't going to fit into that format,

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Speaker 1: And so I've been waiting to like do it. It's

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Speaker 1: been in this book, written ready to go, and so

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Speaker 1: about it, and with it being my birthday month, and

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Speaker 1: every sort of month recently, I've done a different theme,

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Speaker 1: but this I was like, oh, I'll just to one

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Speaker 1: theme per week, and this week is all about cults,

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Speaker 1: and so I was like, let's let's get into this, okay.

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Speaker 1: So it all starts with Matilda May Otis and she

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Speaker 1: to Matilda and William Otis and that's in Storm Lake, Iowa.

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Speaker 1: And when she's four years old, William dies from what

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't look that up. Now, being

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Speaker 1: of sixteen, she gets married to Augustus John Wayland, a

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Speaker 1: and things are less than peachey Augustus is a gambler,

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Speaker 1: she leaves with her mother. Granny Matilda is caring for Ruth.

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Speaker 1: Will May is swanning about turning of the Century Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: It's fun, it's exciting, and lo and behold. May get

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Speaker 1: remarried to Rudolph Schultz on the first of July nineteen

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Speaker 1: like you share parts of yourself in parts of your

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. However, May sort of fails to

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Speaker 1: quite often. Now here's the thing. Not only has May

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Speaker 1: May also hasn't told Ruth that she's her mother, because

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Speaker 1: that's not a good secret to keep, because the truth

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Speaker 1: Whyland was never dead. Also, legally, it wouldn't dissolve the marriage,

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Speaker 1: just a bigamist, I say, now, just she's also a bigamist.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Rudolph, he is quite upset and begs her

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Speaker 1: because she had her eyes set on lumber tycoon Fremont Everett.

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Speaker 1: Everyone in this has fabulous names, right, We've got Augustus

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Speaker 1: John Wiland, We've got Rudolph Schultz, we have Fremont Everett.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, she's got her eyes set on this lumber tycoon.

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Speaker 1: would I regret nothing. I regret nothing. Now there is

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Speaker 1: problem with this, a small hitch in an otherwise feel

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Speaker 1: proof plan, one might say, because Fremont Everett was already married.

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Speaker 1: But then again, so is she. So may otis Wayland.

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Speaker 1: She and Fremont Everett. They embark on an affair and

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Speaker 1: not feel bad for George, because George, George Bloom is

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Speaker 1: So May just so happened to meet him, and what

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Speaker 1: do you know, they hit it off and they get

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Speaker 1: but they never actually got married. See here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: He goes to prison for delinquency of a minor girl

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Speaker 1: she's muchin and this is I gotta respect women's wrongs.

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Speaker 1: Road the Star. And so Ruth she's performing in these

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Speaker 1: because that could mean a whole host of things. But yes,

425
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: Ward is labeled subnormal. Like that's the distinguishing feature that

426
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: this man provides. So on the eleventh of January nineteen

427
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: twenty four, May marries Ward Blackburn and they moved to

428
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: Los Angeles together. And on the twenty fourth of May

429
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four, so just a couple months later, Ruth

430
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: Mary's seventeen year old Samuel Rezzo like she's twenty four

431
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: to twenty five. And these these ladies like a younger man,

432
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: they clearly do, Like Cyber, I don't think I've dated

433
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: anyone younger than me. Well, I might have dated someone. No, no, actually,

434
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: actually no, yes, no I did. I did. I dated

435
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: a man who was three years longer than me. I did,

436
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm at my thirties, right, Cyber and then

437
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: my thirties and so like someone said to me, like,

438
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: you need to date like a man in his twenties, Like,

439
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: you have no idea. They're so amazing, they're so respectful,

440
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: and they've missed that shitty millennial phase. And as someone

441
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: who's like consistently dated older, I was like, I'll give

442
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: it a go, you know. And so I went on

443
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: a date with this guy who I think he was

444
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: literally ten years younger than me, and I was right,

445
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: it was. I was like, I'll try and see how

446
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: it goes, you know. And I'd suggested we go seeing

447
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: like whatever Scream movie was out. It's like I don't

448
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: know if it was the most recent one or the

449
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: one before that, but we'd gone to go see the

450
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: Scream movie and as we were sitting down, he was like, oh,

451
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I've never seen any of these and I was like, ah,

452
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: what not one Scream film at all? And I was

453
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: like okay, which was fine, but it was a clear

454
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: indication of everything else, like because we were chatting like

455
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: through the evening, like after the cinema, Like you know,

456
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking in the movies. I'm not a dick, right,

457
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I am a dick, but you know, respect

458
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: for the pictures. Yeah, I love going to the pictures.

459
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: I love going to the movies. Like it's just a

460
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: good time for me. I really enjoy it anyway. And

461
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: so we're chatting after the movie and we have no

462
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: like connecting communication. There's no there's no references that are

463
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: are like hidden. I don't know the best way to

464
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: describe it. It's just like we had so little in

465
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: common apart from the fact that we lived in a

466
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: similar area. But I was just like, oh, this was

467
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: this was not a good idea. This did not work

468
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: out as I had planned, and it really made me

469
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: feel sold such an old person. And yeah, we basically

470
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: hugged and went our separate ways and never spoke to

471
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: each other again. Like it was. It was awkward and weird,

472
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: which is wild because like I hang out with people

473
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: who were like ten years older than me, ten years

474
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: longer than me, but like we have we have like

475
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: paths that cross, we have things that connect us. And

476
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: I think the last people that I had like a

477
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: really decent conversation with who were like in their twenties

478
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: were amazing and interesting. But this kind of put me

479
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: off the idea of trying to date younger people. That

480
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: being said, people shoot your shot. Anyway. Anyway, back to

481
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: Ruth and Me, So the Walter J. Blackburn Publishing company

482
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: starts churning out these pamphlets on the seventh Trumpet of

483
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: Saint Gabriel. So things are really really cranking up a notch.

484
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: And then one day Sam Ruth's husband, so Sam Ritzio,

485
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: he mysteriously disappears after trying to convince Ruth to leave

486
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: the cult by slapping it out of her. Allegedly's the

487
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: Angel Gabriel said that he had to be poisoned. His

488
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: body was never found. And this is just like the

489
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg because me, she's now she starts

490
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: doing all this crazy shit. So she's working with like

491
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: con artists to create like fake gold billions, and she's

492
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: created this sort of atmosphere and Warren's members that if

493
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: they leave, they'll be smited by God. And like if

494
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: a couple tried to leave, like a married couple, like

495
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: she would kick the husband out and then make the

496
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: wife remarry another cult member in this like coercive game

497
00:36:54,040 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: of marital musical chairs and like it is it it

498
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: sort of spreads the news of this this group, the

499
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: cult it spreads, and in August nineteen twenty four, two

500
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: La Times reporters interviewed me. Right there, rive and there's

501
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: like a bunch of followers are all sat in this circle.

502
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: There's someone like playing the piano, and Ruth is doing

503
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: and I quote an Egyptian dance, and so you've you've

504
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: got Ruth doing this like Egyptian dance, which I have

505
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: a feeling is like that sort of little egypt belly

506
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: dance that sort of like vibe. I think that it's

507
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: just like cultural appropriation, which a lot of these cults do,

508
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: don't they. It's like, let's le win just a dash

509
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: of cultural appropriation while we like ruin your lives and

510
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: take all your money. So she tells the reporters, because

511
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: they're there to say what, oh the fuss is about?

512
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: And she tells them that the angels Gabriel and Michael

513
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: have dictated this book to them, and they've got all

514
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: of these like stacked like parchment. So they're like, here

515
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: it is, here is everything. The angels told don't read it,

516
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: don't touch an apartment. So they've got they've got it, and

517
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not allowed to read it though, and

518
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: it's like, you're not allowed to read the thing, but

519
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: isn't this the whole point? And they're like no, no,

520
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: no, no no, And so they're so like taken aback of

521
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: this whole situation, right, they do not print the story

522
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: because that's weird as fuck, because they're like, here's the

523
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: book that the angels dictated. Watch my daughter dance in

524
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: a vaguely sexual way in the corner while a piano plays,

525
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: and I tell you about the angels, but don't read

526
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: the thing that was written that I'm trying to get

527
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: people to read but not you get so like yeah,

528
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: they're just like no. And after this, right, Sammy's sixteen

529
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: year old brother shows up looking for him and like,

530
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: so he shows up and they're like he left, and

531
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: this teenage boy he's like, I don't believe you, because

532
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: he finds all his stuff there, all of his brothers,

533
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: his clothes, all of his accouterments, they're all there, and

534
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: so he just goes to the cops. He's like, this

535
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: is suspicious. And so the lapd ends up going to

536
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: the Rizzo family and they're just like, hey, don't cause

537
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: a fuss, because that's what you want to hear from

538
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: the police force about your missing brother who's disappeared from

539
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: a cult. And after this non rush with the law,

540
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: the cult decide it's time to move. The Blackburn Cult

541
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: moved to a new house in Los Felis, and it's

542
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: here that Jenny Toy is told that she must be

543
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: changed to her bed for seventy five days for reasons.

544
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: The angel said it. It's like Simon says, but with angels.

545
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: So if you don't do it, there's smiting. And so

546
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: in November when the roads arrive in la so they've

547
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: come down from Portland. When Willa comes in right with them.

548
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: You know, she's their daughter, so she's come with them.

549
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: And so when she arrives, she is given seven puppies,

550
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: like here's seven puppies, teenage girl and it's it's wild.

551
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: So they give her the seven puppies. And then after

552
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: a month of being there, Willa is clearly unwell, like

553
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: she's got this toothache and it's really causing her pain.

554
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: And it turns out what she has as an absess

555
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: and what Willa really needs is a dentist. But because

556
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: of this whole like church science, where they think you

557
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: can just pray to drain the absess, I guess, so

558
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: instead of you know, taking her to a medical professional

559
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: instead of that, Willa dies of blood poisoning on New

560
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Year's Day, nineteen twenty five. She was only sixteen years old.

561
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: Cyber I often get asked like, what period of time

562
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: would you like to live in? And I'm just like,

563
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: the one where I wouldn't die from toothache would be nice.

564
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: You know. I like having rights. I'm not happy that

565
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: there's a possibility rights can be stripped away from me,

566
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: but I like having the rights, Like I feel like

567
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: maybe I would like the fashion of other eras, but

568
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, not the you know, avoidable death. So Martha rhades.

569
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: She tries to resurrect Willa, and the keels prise it

570
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: does not work. Now this is where May steps in

571
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: and she tells Martha that Willa will be resurrected after

572
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: one thousand, two hundred and sixty days and after the

573
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: book is published, but her body had to be preserved

574
00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: in a bathtub of ice, spices and salt. Put salt

575
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: and ice to get I'm not I'm not gonna get

576
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: into it.

577
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: So well, his body is basically and an ice bath

578
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: with like spices and all this kind of stuff, And

579
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that is more about preservation

580
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: and avoiding the smell more.

581
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: Than anything else, and a lot of just like dressing

582
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: and performance and warning it it's about to get worse.

583
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: You thought a teenage girl dying because they wouldn't help

584
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: her is bad, It's it's animal lovers are gonna want

585
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: to skip like ten seconds, the seven puppies that had

586
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: been given to Ola when she arrived, they had been

587
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: sacrificed as they were bridges to her heart, and so

588
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: like it's all part of this, which feels more like

589
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: they just wanted to add to the drama intention of

590
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: it all. So things are sort of building up round

591
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: and round. And on the sixth of February nineteen twenty five,

592
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: Ruth is questioned by the LA Prosecutor's office because they

593
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: are very curious about this cult with the crazy pamphlets,

594
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: and like soon after this, a box full of Fremont

595
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: Everett's love letters to mayor discovered in a metal box

596
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: at Topanga Canyon. What misdirection? Who said that? Like a

597
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: metal box of love letters by Fremont Everett with his

598
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: name on it on his company's stationery, Love letters that

599
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: he wrote to May that she had kept hidden in

600
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: her home are conveniently discovered, like the metal box, Like,

601
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: why is there a metal box in this canyon? Oh? Look,

602
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: it's full of these love letters from this very rich man.

603
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: So now it seems reasonable that May can afford stuff

604
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: because of the lumber tycoon. Right, you know what this

605
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: this man had given her all this money because they

606
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: were having an affair. Yeah, I know that actually seems

607
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: like a very reasonable option because that's that's where that's

608
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: coming from. Not embezzling, not embezzling at all. So as

609
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: speaking of stealing from cult members, Clifford Dabney, like I said,

610
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: they've all got really good names. So he's the nephew

611
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: of an oil magnet, and he had given like forty

612
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: five thousand of his oil rights and a whole lot

613
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: of chickens, a lot of chickens. Like he wasn't the

614
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: only one. Like the Shuts they gave like twenty five grand,

615
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: the Roads gave thirty grand. Nellie Barks was what eleven thousand,

616
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: and the cult is like it's got over what one

617
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: hundred new members, and by nineteen twenty five, they're doing

618
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: all of these rituals at night, which is the most

619
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: convenient time to do your weird Culti rituals, which is

620
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: severely pissing off the neighbors. And so they end up

621
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: moving to Simi Valley where a cult member buys them

622
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: sixty four acres of land, land specifically in this valley,

623
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: not buildings, not nothing like that. It's not it's not

624
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: been developed. And so they're just moving on to this

625
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: land with like tents and shit, and like, over the

626
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: course of a year, they build, like they build a

627
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: road in, they build a temple building and a golden

628
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: throne temple, and they're told like once they've finished like

629
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: building all this stuff, they're supposed to build a white

630
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Messiah was supposed to appear, just in case they were

631
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: worried it was going to be a different one. And

632
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: like May and Ruth, they have a cabin built for

633
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: themselves called the watch Tower. Right, so there's this going on.

634
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: They've built like temple things, and they've got the watchtower,

635
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: and like some people are still living in bloody tents.

636
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: And it's right about this time that there's a rift

637
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: in the cult and it's between May and Martha that

638
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: so may otis Blackburn and Martha Rhodes, Like this rift

639
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: leads to a schism, and so you've got two groups

640
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: forming on the Semi Valley in nineteen twenty six, and

641
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: so you've got the Divine Order of the Royal Arms

642
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: of the Grade eleven and the Church of the Divine

643
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: Science of Joshua the Branch the Headstone of the corner.

644
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: Like those are your two groups. And so the schism happens,

645
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: and they've they've got their own issues, and like it's

646
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: actually before this that like the papers don't really bring

647
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: up this weird cult that's around, and so Clifford Daveney,

648
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: like he was a big financial contributor to like the

649
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: La Times for a long time, and so there's like

650
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: this theory that he, you know, was blocking any sort

651
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: of bad news beals happening. You know. Now things are

652
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: also crumbling a bit in this cult because because on

653
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: the third of February nineteen twenty seven, Lois votes like

654
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: she goes missing during a rainstorm. She's not in the cult,

655
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: but she lived like in the Semi Valley, like near

656
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: the cult, and so there's a rainstorm and like there's

657
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: this whole thing that she got abducted by the cult.

658
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: And then there's right, this young man, his parents are

659
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: in the cult, and the angel Gabriel says that this

660
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: young man has to be shot, and his parents they're like,

661
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's fine, and they shoot him in the

662
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: heel and it's like good stuff. Good stuff. Now, if

663
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: you think that's a bit weird, it's it's gonna get

664
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna get crazy. So one member had a paralyzed

665
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: sister and May proclaimed that she had bad blood. Now,

666
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: bad blood was a term for so many ailments. It

667
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: was like a catch hole that they used from everything

668
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: from like diphtheria to sdis like just everything you know.

669
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: And so May proclaims she has bad blood and that

670
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: she will be cured by baking her. She will be

671
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: cured by baking her, and so she has the cult

672
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: build this brick oven, and this paralyzed women is putting

673
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: this brick oven and is cooked in under an hour.

674
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: So yes, they cooked a paralyzed women to death. And

675
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: they were like, she's cured, but no, no, she's just dead.

676
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: And so this brick oven is taken down and they

677
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: use the bricks to make paths and they get a

678
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: corner to sign off on the death as natural causes,

679
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: which is a weird way to say eugenics. So things

680
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: are not going well for the cult, right, There's an

681
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: icy corpse, a box full of murder puppies, a cooked invalid,

682
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: and a sacred horse named Biff, and loads and loads

683
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: of debt. So Clifford Dabney who had been like financing

684
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: this for quite a while, like he had been pumping

685
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: money into this, like he's the reason that they were

686
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: able to get this, like this sort of area in

687
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: the semi valley, like back then it was called like

688
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: Mortimer Park, it was. It's fairly remote. It's in the

689
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: Santa Susanna Mountains on the eastern edge of Inchua County.

690
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: And so he's like, where is my like just desserts.

691
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: Where is everything that I'm due to get? Where is

692
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: my treasure treasure, like, where is my you know, spiritual goods?

693
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, it's like it's coming. We have

694
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: to get published, like we have to publish a book.

695
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: And it's like it's been a few years published the book.

696
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: And so he tries to leave, right, And he tries

697
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: to leave, and May manages to make him sign over

698
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: an oil least to her, and it's at this point

699
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: that his uncle, the oil magnet, offers him seventy five

700
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to prosecute me. And this is a few

701
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: years in, right, And people stay in cults a lot

702
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: of the time because there's a sunk cost, like they've

703
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: invested so much that they need to have that payoff,

704
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: like that is what they're waiting for. But here they are.

705
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: The prophecies haven't come true. There's no gold treasure, there's

706
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: no white Messiah, and there's no apocalypse, and so people

707
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: are leaving or they're trying to leave, like they're getting

708
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: to this point where like it's it's not working. Now.

709
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: You've got some people who have just like it's just

710
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: a dissonance, so they're stuck in it. And then some

711
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: people have, you know, a realization that this is not

712
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: all it's cracked up to be, and they're trying to leave,

713
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: but so many are terrified to because they've built up

714
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: this concept of what will happened to you if you leave?

715
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: And also some people have literally been murdered, so you know,

716
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: eventually there is an investigation, the Bunco investigation, but the

717
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: cops they're they're not that fust really to begin with.

718
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: But like in October, May and Ruth are charged with

719
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: fifteen counts of grand theft, and it's reported that cult

720
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: members had vanished. Then the police receive an anonymous letter

721
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: about the body of Willa Rhodes under the floorboards of

722
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: a house in Venice. So they show up, they find

723
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: the corpse and Martha breaks down and spills the beans.

724
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: So like, it's not just that, right, So right, they

725
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: get to the house. Right, there's the body of this

726
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: teenage girl who has been dead for several years, and

727
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: she is constantly stored in ice. So she's right. It's

728
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: this wood box with salt and spices. Well, seven dead

729
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: puppies were buried in like separate containers like with her,

730
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: like kind of like like an Egyptian sarcophagus like or

731
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: a tomb where you'd have like all of these things

732
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: with you. Like, she's buried with puppies. It's not even buried.

733
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: She's just in a box. She seasoned in a box.

734
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: And this was all done like by her father, like

735
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: by William, who is there with her, right and so

736
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: like there's an investigation to see whether she was sacrificed

737
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: murdered by you know, the Divine orderly eleven. Yeah, So

738
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: like after this as well, a body is discovered, like

739
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: what was it in this like canyon near like the

740
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: sand Gabriel Mountains, and so they're like, that is definitely

741
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: Samuel Ritzio, although like a few days later they're like,

742
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: oh no, there was an insurance policy found on the

743
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: man and it's not Samuel Ritzio. So while this is happening,

744
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: you have like all of these members, Like you're getting

745
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: stories of people being baked in ovens to cure them

746
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: of like sickness. You've got people disappearing. There's you know,

747
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: poison being purchased by members of the cult, and like

748
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: bodies are just sort of appearing places, and so photographers

749
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: show up and they take pictures, after which May and

750
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: Ruth turn themselves in. Right, so May says it's not

751
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: a cult but a scientific group studying resurrection. Sure, Jan Sure, Like,

752
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean this is four and a half years this

753
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: has been running. And Ruth she ends up getting released

754
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: due to insufficient evidence. Because Ruth like she's released from

755
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: jail on fifteen counts of grand theft and it's all

756
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: based on this complaint from Dabney, Like that is what

757
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: initiated this investigation, while May was arrested and charged, right,

758
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: So Ruth is released due to insufficient evidence, and like

759
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to leave her mum, but some cult

760
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: members actually have to convince her to leave, and like May,

761
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: she's in jail, but she's the one who holds the

762
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: purse strings and she is refusing to really send any money,

763
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: and so the cult they've got no money and as

764
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: a result, they're starving. And so this trial lasts what

765
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: six weeks, it's from like late nineteen twenty nine, and

766
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: then part of like the following year as well. Like

767
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: most of like the whole court case, it focuses on

768
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: like the weird like stuff that's going on, so like

769
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: the rituals, the sacrificing, the weird services and activities of

770
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: like the whole organization. But it's not like sacrificial murder

771
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: was what May was arrested for. She was arrested for theft,

772
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: for embezzlment, right, And so very little of the case

773
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: actually like covers that, like I mean, I get it,

774
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: like the headline of woman lies to men and steals

775
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: from him. It doesn't exactly like shock you the same

776
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: way as murder cult, does you know? And yeah, so

777
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: a jury of eight women and four men, like they

778
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: deliberate for two days and they they come back with

779
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: a decision. They come back with a verdict guilty. May

780
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: is guilty, and so she is convicted of eight counts

781
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: of grand theft and she has to pay Clifford Dabney

782
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars back. Right, she appeals it. It gets

783
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court and it gets reversed on a technicality. Right,

784
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: so he manages to get like some money back though,

785
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: but it's not as much, but he gets like a

786
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: tiny bit back. That being said, no one is ever

787
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: charged with any death or disappearance related to the Blackburn cult,

788
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: like Ruth even manages to get an absentee divorce from

789
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: Sammy Ritzio. And Mary is a barber shop owner. And

790
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: like May and Ward Blackburn, they lived in Hannington Park,

791
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: and some cult members stayed nearby, like that's that's someunk cost,

792
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: Like they're so invested in her, like they stay close. Now,

793
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: some cult members actually end up staying at the compound,

794
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: like they just don't leave, which is a decision that

795
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: they made. Now, in nineteen thirty two, they did try

796
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: to bring it back the case back to the County

797
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: Superior Court, and it was supposed to be like early

798
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: March nineteen thirty two, but they were like, let's not.

799
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: They decided not to pursue it any further. And so yeah,

800
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: she was free. She had no conviction and it was

801
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: set aside and everything was fine, and so yeah, May

802
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: ends up publishing a book four years later, and then

803
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: she's like, she's like her occupation, like in the senses

804
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: like it was it was like real estate agent director,

805
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: and now she's like reader because like, you know what,

806
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: many hats, many hats, and like she ends up living

807
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: a fairly like basic, basic life, and so she ends

808
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: up living a fairly chilled existence by the end of it.

809
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: And May she ends up passing away from a heart

810
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: attack on the seventeenth June nineteen fifty one at the

811
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: age of sixty nine. And Ruth she moved to Sacramento,

812
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: gets divorced, marries again, and ends up becoming Ruth Williams.

813
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: She moves to Lake Tahoe and like the cult is

814
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: still going meanwhile, but she's gone there and she lives

815
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: again a fairly a fairly quiet life after this, and

816
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: Ruth ended up passing away on the nineteenth of December

817
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight in Sacramento, California, at the age of

818
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: seventy nine. And over the years the culture sort of

819
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: dwindled until it disappeared, and they just kind of the

820
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: ones that stayed on the compound just continued practicing whatever

821
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: they were like legally allowed to do, and then eventually

822
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: it just puzzled out. But that is the store of

823
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: the Blackburn Cult. Now, if you if you liked my

824
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: retelling of this horrible story, feel free to rate and

825
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: review of five stars. If you didn't like it, keep

826
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: your opinion to yourself. And I'm kidding, I'm not, but yeah,

827
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: so if you liked it, I hope you did. I

828
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this because I just thought cults

829
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: are so interesting because of how people are sort of

830
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: pulled into them and you don't realize that you're in

831
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: a cult, Like some people never realize they're in a cult,

832
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: and then some people only realize it too late, and

833
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,479
Speaker 1: then you've got all this fear and everything that's built

834
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: up around it, and it is it is wild. But yeah,

835
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: that is the story of the Blackburn Cult. And yeah,

836
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: you can follow me on all the socials. Keep your

837
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: tears pricked for news and stuff happening with touring and

838
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: shows and travels and oh that fun stuff. And there's oh,

839
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: something exciting should be happening this month, but I'm not

840
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: sure if it is this month or next month, but

841
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: it's happening soon and I'm very excited. It is my

842
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: birthday month as well. So if you're still listening at

843
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: this point, there is links in the description down below

844
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: to donate to foedbanks, to the La Foed Bank because

845
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: with snap being taken away from people who need it,

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Speaker 1: because people should still be allowed to eat. That's just

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Speaker 1: how it is. I don't think people should be starving.

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Speaker 1: And so if you want to, if you want to

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Speaker 1: donate to that, that would be great. I just think

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Speaker 1: we should do something to help. If you actually want

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Speaker 1: to get me something, I know some people like to

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Speaker 1: do that. I have. I have links for places where

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Speaker 1: I buy stuff for myself. Listen. It is mainly underwear. Listen.

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Speaker 1: It's the one vice I have that's high quality underwear.

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Speaker 1: I just I just I like it and I find that,

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Speaker 1: like anything, sort of corsetry is really good for my back.

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Speaker 1: It means I don't have to wear like a really

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Speaker 1: clunky upsetting back support because I got I got them

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Speaker 1: to form spying, you know, and my muscles get a

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Speaker 1: lot of pain, especially in the winter. But anyway, that's that.

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Speaker 1: If you do want to do that, that's great. If

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Speaker 1: you want to just share this and more stuff, that

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Speaker 1: would be amazing, engage on the social media's. And I

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Speaker 1: am working on Patreon stuff. I know I say those

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Speaker 1: diver months, but I am actually working on Patreon stuff.

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Speaker 1: I just I just need to actually have a day

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Speaker 1: off work to do it because there's so much happening.

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Speaker 1: But it's time for recommendation time. Actually actually, yes, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be booking my flight soon. I'm waiting

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Speaker 1: for like there's always like a really good sale like

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Speaker 1: around Christmas for like US flights, So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be booking my flights to the US. I know you're like,

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Speaker 1: don't come here, listen. I got friends I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: see them. And also I've got a murder she wrote

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Speaker 1: festival to visit, so I got stuff to do also, yes,

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Speaker 1: and so recommendation time, it's going to do. Recommendation time

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Speaker 1: for reading How to Solve Your Own Murder by Kristin Pern. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I like my fictional crime. Okay, let me have this

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Speaker 1: for listening. Sticking with the crime theme, there is a

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Speaker 1: podcast called Crime in Sports. They also do small Town Murder,

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Speaker 1: which is great, but sometimes, like, because of how much

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Speaker 1: heavy things I listen to, I really can't listen to

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Speaker 1: just like murder murder all the time. And so crime

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Speaker 1: in Sports because I know so little about sports, it's

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Speaker 1: somehow better because they're naming for and I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what that is, and it's super fun for me.

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Speaker 1: So Crime in Sports is a really good lesson. And

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Speaker 1: you know, because sometimes I do listen to men talk. Sorry, no,

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Speaker 1: some of my best friends are men. And for watching

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Speaker 1: watch the screen movies. Like the screen movies, watch them

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Speaker 1: in order. Don't watch the new one that's coming out

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Speaker 1: because screw them for be indexed. But yeah, watch watch

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Speaker 1: the original screen movies and then some of the sequels.

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Speaker 1: You may as well have some fun. And yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is that is this week. So that is I guess

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Speaker 1: time to say adios au revoir of ware as them

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Speaker 1: my friends, bye bye,