WEBVTT - Diedrich Bader

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, This is Craig Ferguson letting you know that

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<v Speaker 1>my Fancy Rascal Tour continues throughout the fall of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. For a full list of dates and tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>please go to my website, the Craig Ferguson show dot

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<v Speaker 1>com slash tour. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest in

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<v Speaker 1>people about what brings them happiness. Here's d Drich Bader,

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<v Speaker 1>a great actor who's been in everything you've ever liked.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding. Wasn't it this Enjoy when ddrig when I, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's not about me, it's about you. It's about you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm just I will say no, it is because

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<v Speaker 1>I want to tell you. I want to start with

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<v Speaker 1>this because when we were working together on the Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Carey Show and you were paying oswood Lee Harvey, which

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<v Speaker 1>is still maybe the best name for a characters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's great. You gotta laugh every time, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's stupid and funny and stupid and funny gets funnier

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<v Speaker 1>the longer you say. But oswood Lee Harvey, which is

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<v Speaker 1>on a par with count Al. You card as a

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<v Speaker 1>stupid name, but you were playing that fairly early on

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<v Speaker 1>in the run. Now, I'm gonna say, because you were

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<v Speaker 1>the only person that I had heard of when I

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<v Speaker 1>started that show, because you had done The Beverly Hillbillies.

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<v Speaker 1>You played Jethrow in the Beverly Hillbillies and you were

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<v Speaker 1>really good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. And that was a hit movie, wasn't it. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a bomb. Otherwise I wouldn't have been on

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<v Speaker 2>the Drew carry be a major movie star, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you you can be a movie star and

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<v Speaker 1>being a boat. You are a movie star. You're in everything.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it didn't make enough money to be attractive to

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<v Speaker 2>hire me. Success breeds success, and only people only want

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<v Speaker 2>to be associated with success.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that might explain my life a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>My friends, so people, I see, that's why I have

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<v Speaker 1>no friends.

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<v Speaker 2>But you you only one i'd heard of. And I remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember when we did the full Monty episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the Drew Carey Show, Yes, of course, and we

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<v Speaker 1>all got naked, yes, And then we went to Las

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas and Tim Allen's plane, Yes, and everyone got trash.

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<v Speaker 2>I got incredibly dry.

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<v Speaker 1>You were the drunkest. I like, remember I'm saying this

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Scottish. You're one of the drunkest people I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that I could stand was. I was amazed

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<v Speaker 2>at how drunk you were.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were like walking around being loud with very

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<v Speaker 1>scary eyes. You were very scary dancing. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>threw a plastic bottle.

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<v Speaker 2>I was remembering that this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you threw a bottle off the like the top

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<v Speaker 1>floor of a hotel and it landed on the swimming

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<v Speaker 1>three stories up.

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<v Speaker 2>It was normal.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like that And I remember saying, Kathy, because

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<v Speaker 1>the only other person I was like that could have

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<v Speaker 1>killed someone. Cathy, She said, I know, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>agreed we were the lamest people in Lesson Hagis. I

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<v Speaker 1>was so dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you totally took care of me. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way I would have made it into a

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<v Speaker 2>hotel room. I was scared. We slept together, were well,

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<v Speaker 2>I was. There wasn't a lot of sleep in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody slapped at I think I slapped a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's a couple of hours. Yeah, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you guys do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Give him the fight.

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<v Speaker 3>No one was on cocaine as far as I knew,

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<v Speaker 3>Or where are you guys on cocaine?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, No, Sow wasn't into drugs, just booze. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just a booth and as much of a

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<v Speaker 1>boozer really. No, he was kind of a lightweight. But

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Styles is the Keith Richards of the unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a hollow leg. Yeah, he and my problem

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<v Speaker 2>that drank. Oh yeah, my problem was that time and

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<v Speaker 2>every time you did see me drunk was when I

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<v Speaker 2>tried to keep up with Brian. I'm not blaming. I

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<v Speaker 2>take responsibility for how much I drank totally, but I see,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you being drunk that much. But every time,

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<v Speaker 2>every time you were drunk, because you're saying it's that

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to keep up with them. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>as the kind of a guy thing. And once you

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<v Speaker 2>get into it, then you're like and then he's just

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<v Speaker 2>pooring and he's fun, as you know, he's really very

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<v Speaker 2>very fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's this trick when he gets drunk and even

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<v Speaker 1>when he's not drunk, doesn't move that much of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's he just kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, stands that's totally his trick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is his trick. Is he doesn't try and

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<v Speaker 1>move his legs. No, he doesn't or even face. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he just like says funny things a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>it's hilarious and it gets funnier and he's very improvy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's very good at that. Yeah, he's very good. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you do that improv who's laying?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it? Anyway? I never did, but I will say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the funniest comedic improvisation that I have ever seen, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a lot, right, was when we had the

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<v Speaker 2>final Drew Carey show dinner and you were invited. We

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<v Speaker 2>had it on last at some fancy restaurant. Oh got

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<v Speaker 2>like a private there was a private room room. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was at the end of the ninth season, which

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<v Speaker 2>you were not on. I was on that I was

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<v Speaker 2>making Saving Grace. You were amazing that you showed up.

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<v Speaker 2>But at that point the cast had gotten so fractious.

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<v Speaker 2>Only Ryan and I were speaking to each other. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Kathy and I were those ye. No, no, no, But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean as far as everybody that was there, we

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<v Speaker 2>were still talking to Kathy, but there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of acromy ten. It was like family at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like family, that's my point. And Craig, you

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<v Speaker 2>were so funny. There was something about the awkwardness of

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<v Speaker 2>the situation. You literally were the funniest person. Don't see

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<v Speaker 2>it speaks about this, My wife speaks about this all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, really as being the funniest comedy set anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who's ever done, because there was something about the awkwardness

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<v Speaker 2>of it that sparked you. And everything we said that

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<v Speaker 2>was passive aggressive to each other you picked up on

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<v Speaker 2>and made a joke out of and it was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like you were trying to make things better.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly like my family life when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>You were just trying to make things better.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to make things better. I swear

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<v Speaker 1>to God. Through congression is the Scottish thing. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it is like, Oh, and the interesting thing is I

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<v Speaker 1>also don't remember my childhood and I was sober.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right that most of your childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Well not all of it, but a fair amount of

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<v Speaker 1>my childhood. Your childhood is very different though. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're d C right, you're like government family and with

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<v Speaker 1>your father spy or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess I can say that now, Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>was in the CIA, and he was in the CIA, right, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was chief of Sabbath Center Foreign Relations Committee.

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<v Speaker 2>He ended up being Assistant Secretary of State during the

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<v Speaker 2>Clint administration.

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<v Speaker 3>So was he like, did he do black holes and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he you know, away from you know him, he

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<v Speaker 2>did go away from home. All of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>he did in the field was before I was born.

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<v Speaker 2>But then he always kept a hand in and he

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<v Speaker 2>oddly enough, he was on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence,

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<v Speaker 2>better known as the Church Committee, and really went after

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA, And because he was in the CIA at

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<v Speaker 2>one point, he was able to use his contacts for

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<v Speaker 2>those that were within the CIA who were upset with

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<v Speaker 2>the way the agency was going.

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<v Speaker 1>So the implication being that there is some corruption and

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<v Speaker 1>the intelligence community, because should they find that hard to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that anywhere that humans have power, that there would

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<v Speaker 1>be any kind of form of corruption is unbelieving.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think his greatest claim to fame, The

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<v Speaker 2>thing that was brought up in his obituary was that

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<v Speaker 2>he was the person that supplied Senator Fulbright, the Senator

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<v Speaker 2>from Arkansas, with the information about the Gulf of Tonkin,

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<v Speaker 2>which made Robert McNamara retire that it was a lie. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>That was in his obituary.

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<v Speaker 1>So that, I mean, that's a very impressive resume and

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<v Speaker 1>a very kind of specific world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I was always.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of intrigued, is how you Why you weren't drawn

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<v Speaker 1>into that? It feels like like the gravitational pill of

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing would be very strong, were you

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<v Speaker 1>tempted at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>I just never never tempted. I think because I saw

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<v Speaker 2>how the sausage was made. The thing that it did

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<v Speaker 2>prepare me for in Hollywood was something that you had

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<v Speaker 2>alluded to earlier in this podcast, which is the cyclical

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<v Speaker 2>nature of a career, right, the shifting sands. My dad

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<v Speaker 2>like to call it the magic hat. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have the magic hat on, everybody loves you, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not you. It's the hat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's very Hollywood. That's all it really is

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But I mean your career is I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have had a stellar career, Thank you. I was

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<v Speaker 1>quite jealous as I watched you.

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<v Speaker 2>How is that even possible? You're you were on great shows.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Beep, which is an amazing show, bo Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like Salminal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's it's like rewriting them. That's truly a game. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>is it something I would say Better Things was also

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you saw it, but Better Things

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<v Speaker 2>is also a good show.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see better Better Things is a very solid,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful show. So the kind of thing that there's always

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<v Speaker 1>been a great depth to your work, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you were used. And I feel this a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit a couple of actors. Actually, I didn't see that

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<v Speaker 1>you get used that way in the Drew Carey Show

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<v Speaker 1>when you were playing Oswood Lee Harvey. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>very it was a fun show, but it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of too dimensional in many ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it was entirely two Yeah, we were like hothouse flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>We weren't real people. We were just vehicles for jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>That said, I totally enjoyed it. Yeah, me too, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>not totally, but a lot of it. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it more than you did. I think you probably did.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that it's funny I remember, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think it was because of the size of the part.

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<v Speaker 2>You had a good part, and you were you were

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<v Speaker 2>a rock solid performer, like you fucking kicked ass every

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<v Speaker 2>week and it like rock star every week. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it was the size of the part. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's because you were more ambitious than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely I was. I don't think I still suffer from that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did. I did have at that time. Yes, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>And from my perspective, I'm not no.

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<v Speaker 2>I think no. I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I was looking at you guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like you were all doing better than me,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what ambitious people always think, like everybody's doing

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<v Speaker 1>better than me.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's such true.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a fucking stupid yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like after I had gotten maybe I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was about eighteen months and doing the Late night

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<v Speaker 1>Show and I ran and I think it was Jerry,

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<v Speaker 1>the director. Jerry used to do the show, and he said, wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if ever a guy you know, it was him. And

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<v Speaker 1>Drew said, if ever a guy needed a show with

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<v Speaker 1>his name on it, it's you, Craig, and I went, really,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm standing next to Drew Carrey from the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>Dru Show for nine years.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, yeah, it's different.

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<v Speaker 2>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't suffer from that ambition to did you not

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<v Speaker 1>feel that, Like, I mean, you were coming off like

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<v Speaker 1>the Beverly Hillbillies, big giant movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you not feel was your.

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<v Speaker 3>Ambition not burning hall at that point?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was disappointed by the reaction of the Beverly Hillbillies.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was going to be a movie star

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<v Speaker 2>for a brief time, and then I dipped back into

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<v Speaker 2>television frankly because I ran out of money. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I only did the Drew Carey Show because I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to drive. I never told you this story. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know this story. So the Drew Carey Show

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<v Speaker 2>was my second pilot of the season. I was on

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<v Speaker 2>the revamping of Margaret Chow's show, but then about I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't believe in the show. About halfway through the show,

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<v Speaker 2>my agent like came and said I have to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was with the Drew care Show Margaret, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I said, how do I get off this show?

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes, you're halfway through the pilot. I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really a mistake. Everybody knows it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and and he goes, okay, well, so you know we're

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<v Speaker 2>going too second position something. So I was like, okay, great,

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<v Speaker 2>and I tested for a pilot called Partners. Tate Donovan

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<v Speaker 2>did it and John cry got my part. Okay, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>they low balled me over at Sony I'm working for

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Actually unlucky Hank, you know totally I'm working

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<v Speaker 2>for that too. Sony's great. Yeah, I love to be

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite people. Yeah yeah, but they totally low balled me.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I called my agen and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's I mean, our quote is there. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>just have the quote and they're not coming back. And

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, well, you know, you gotta get something else

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll just fight them off and use it as

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<v Speaker 2>a bargaining tea. Yeah. So he goes, there's a show

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<v Speaker 2>a stand up if you order Drew Carry and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, no, and he goes, well, he did

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<v Speaker 2>well on this other stand up show and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>watch that stand up show. Yeah, and it was such

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<v Speaker 2>a TV snap if you remember. Like, I'm much better

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<v Speaker 2>now that I have a kids. And it's like, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are one of the people that I would say grew

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck up since I met them. I mean you, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you were never you were always a very

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<v Speaker 1>nice man, but no, you were but like you grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so patantly obviously when you had your kids, you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, wait a minute, ye resay.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so I went on the Drew Carey Show

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<v Speaker 2>pilot and they wanted to test me, so we put

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<v Speaker 2>him against one another, and Sony did come up to

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<v Speaker 2>my quote, and so did the Drew Carry Show. But

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<v Speaker 2>and I just showed up for the test and I

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<v Speaker 2>did it like blah blah blah, because my test for

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<v Speaker 2>the Sony thing was the same day. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, yeah, this is the morning thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm going to go like some people would have

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<v Speaker 2>a cup of coffee and a ship, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to test for a show.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Drew Carrey show was kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of coffee and the ship was the whole idea,

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<v Speaker 1>the process.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the circle of so. And then I went

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<v Speaker 2>off to the Sony thing. And then I didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>this sonything, and I got the Drew Carry Show. And

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<v Speaker 2>my agent called me to tell me I got the

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Carry Show and I yelled at him. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what have you done us? That's crazy? And then the

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<v Speaker 2>show was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nine years nice fucking years. I didn't do the

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<v Speaker 1>last year. I didn't do the first year either. You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do the first year. Yeah, I joined after that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna maybe in for like three episodes or something.

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<v Speaker 2>The first year wasn't good. And I hope I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>crushing fans of the show, but I really didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>the show. I actually tried to get off the show.

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<v Speaker 2>In my defense, I had done seven pilots before the

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Carrey Show, so I thought, I'll just get another

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<v Speaker 2>show and I'll be back, Okay. Yeah, So yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't let me off, and I wasn't crazy. I love

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<v Speaker 2>Drew and I loved Ryan, and Kathy was great, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't love the scripts. I didn't love my part.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, this is to speak to what you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying about the ambition. I thought, like, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>second banana on a show. I should be the first banana,

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<v Speaker 2>and I should get off the show. Bruce didn't let

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<v Speaker 2>me off the show, and I'm very grateful for that

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<v Speaker 2>because the showrunner. Yeah, the second year off the show

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<v Speaker 2>was so much better, and that was trapped.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also I had arrived and.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not joking about that. It actually made the

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<v Speaker 2>show happen because you were a great antagonist to him.

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<v Speaker 2>What it made his work? Sheer fucking hell, you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's more sticks to throw the protagonist. The voiceover thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nothing against Kevin Pollack. He's a great actor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's great. So but he was a voice. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>saw him at the end of the first year. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a dumb gimmick. Well he was.

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<v Speaker 1>If anyone doesn't know, he was Drew's voice. He was

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<v Speaker 1>Drew's boss in the first year of the show, but

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<v Speaker 1>you never really saw him. It was just on a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like speakerphone, that's right. And then he turned

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<v Speaker 1>up for the last episode. But at that time, and

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin said this to me himself, he said, I was

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<v Speaker 1>too expensive at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't afford me. So I was doing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of movies. Yeah, yeah, it was a legit movie start

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they offered mister Wick to Hugh Laurie as well.

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<v Speaker 1>No kid, Yeah, I believe so. I think you said no.

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<v Speaker 1>I wow, I'm better than that.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been a mistake. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he'd been pretty good. I don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>he's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think that that wouldn't have worked. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that you were I think personality wise.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for me, the Drew Carey Show was that

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<v Speaker 1>its best in that second third fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>Those were the good years. Yeah, when we were like doing.

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<v Speaker 1>The live episodes and doing the like big musical numbers

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<v Speaker 1>and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the episode that you were talking about, the

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<v Speaker 2>full Monty episode, that's a that's an excellent it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great episode. Yeah, it's really that scene when we're all

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<v Speaker 2>on the couch and you come in and you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about your addiction to the ponies and Oswald thinks that

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<v Speaker 2>you sleep with ponies. It's very good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's memory John Carol Lynch and Drew dancing to the

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<v Speaker 1>Heart music to Windy as well. It's like, and but

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<v Speaker 1>these you look at John Carroll Lynch as well, that

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's going on to like direct these serious movies,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like big, and you've done that too. You

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<v Speaker 1>you carved a legitimate career after after the after the show,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but none of us were part of that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of whose lying improv world.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Ryan did it. It was kind of Ryan and

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<v Speaker 2>Drew really or who's like, really Ryan, Yeah, Well, Drew

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<v Speaker 2>was funny because he.

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<v Speaker 1>Laughed, and it was funny because he laughed, and he

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<v Speaker 1>liked being around everybody doing it, and he's genuinely fun guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's a nice guy. But Ryan's the improv genius.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he's a genius. Yeah, he's truly incredible. No,

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<v Speaker 2>they asked me to do the show a number of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they asked you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't really. I don't think they ever did,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe they asked me to do it once. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, because I'm school teach I to go. They

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<v Speaker 2>never asked me and they left it. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they did. Levett and they probably in.

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<v Speaker 1>The dark, but I think they probably did ask me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would be shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>If you didn't. I don't know. I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was never that comfortable, and weirdly enough for what

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<v Speaker 1>I did later on. I was very uncomfortable with improv,

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<v Speaker 1>very un comfortable with that group improv. I always felt

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<v Speaker 1>I can't really do It's a different beast it is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, did you like? Did you like the experience

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<v Speaker 1>of doing it? One of my favorite parts about acting

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<v Speaker 1>is knowing what I'm going to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't that great? I love it? Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm gonna say right now. Yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little unnerving.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you get to practice what you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>say a high voice to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is gradation actually say. Seeing what you're actually

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<v Speaker 2>saying as opposed to what you're saying all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>all text analysis, all that kind of stuff you can

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<v Speaker 2>really dive into that doesn't happen in life. And like

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<v Speaker 2>we just blurted out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think I just realized why you've done

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<v Speaker 1>so well as an actor Because you say words like

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<v Speaker 1>text analysis and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh God, he's a fucking real actor for good.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a proper actor that does things.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an official invitation to the Fancy Rascal Stand

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<v Speaker 1>up Show. I Craig Ferguson will be performing this fall

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<v Speaker 1>in your region. You can buy tickets and check out

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<v Speaker 1>the full list of dates that the Craig Ferguson Show

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<v Speaker 1>dot com slash dour see you there or not?

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<v Speaker 2>I've trained you you had? Did you train? Yes? Where

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<v Speaker 2>did you go on train? I went to North Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>School of the Arts that's in Winston sale Mor. That's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty fancy, isn't it. It's fancy dancy. Yeah, it fancy?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>So did you come to Hollywood straight after that or

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<v Speaker 1>did you go in to a theater.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to go into theater, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>got a pilot in between my sophomore and junior year,

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<v Speaker 2>a Western. We were on vacation in Santa Fe met

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<v Speaker 2>a casting director to dinner party. Short story, long story short.

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<v Speaker 2>I got cast in this pilot and then in western

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<v Speaker 2>in a Western, my fucking dream. It was really fastern,

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<v Speaker 2>Honest to god. I was going to be a stage

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<v Speaker 2>actor before that time, but it was so much fun

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<v Speaker 2>to dress up like a cowboy. Yeah, And that was

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<v Speaker 2>Sag and a lot of my friends that had graduated,

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<v Speaker 2>who I thought were much more talented than myself, that

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<v Speaker 2>were in New York and trying to be stage actors.

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<v Speaker 2>They're having a very hard time and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very difficult, this stage world.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is. My father's idea was that I move

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<v Speaker 2>out here because I'm already Sag, go like solon to

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<v Speaker 2>a five year plan and then move to New York

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<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't work out. And I thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good idea. So I did that.

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<v Speaker 1>So your dad, who's this very interesting government figure, was

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<v Speaker 1>cool with your going on the show. But his idea,

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<v Speaker 1>it was his idea for me to drop out of

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina School of the Arts and just get started.

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<v Speaker 2>See.

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<v Speaker 3>He was kind of out the box thinker then, wasn't he.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think he knew me. Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 2>knew that I was going to be on I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know his thing when you know, when he brought

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<v Speaker 2>up the idea, he said, you know, you got a

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<v Speaker 2>job at a dinner party. I think he'll be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he paid my rent for the first two years,

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<v Speaker 2>which really really helped that does how So, Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't need to get a straight job, I worked

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<v Speaker 2>enough where I could feed myself. This is after the

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<v Speaker 2>first three or four months when I tried to make

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<v Speaker 2>it completely on my own and I had trouble at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning. I got a job in two weeks, my

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<v Speaker 2>second pilot. But I went through the money really really

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<v Speaker 2>fast because I thought I was made. I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>picked my dues. It's been two weeks. Yeah, you know that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a common thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Though we used to say, like the best time to

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<v Speaker 1>buy a house in La Is just after the TV

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<v Speaker 1>season starts and shows get start getting canceled, and.

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<v Speaker 3>The actors who thought that they were going to be Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I just burnt through it. Yeah. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I bought every type of thing that you could put

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<v Speaker 2>into your body, and as you know, like you run

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<v Speaker 2>out of money really quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But you were never like a druggie around weed and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of booze.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I never even saw you with much in the way

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<v Speaker 1>we not like the way weed is now, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>entire you didn't smells like weed.

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<v Speaker 2>All the time. I know, Well, I just shot in Vancouver.

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<v Speaker 2>The Vancouver is so much weed. Like I smelled cigarette smoke,

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what the hell is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird. It's like it's like a flashback when

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you smelled just tobacco. Yeah, I know. I mean New

0:21:55.880 --> 0:22:00.360
<v Speaker 1>York smells like we. Most of la smells like we. Chicago, Denver. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, that's just like you can get high

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<v Speaker 1>just going there. So complained and you're like.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason that you didn't see it is that I quit.

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<v Speaker 2>I had told Dulcie when we first real life, to

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<v Speaker 2>my wife of twenty six years.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, you guys get married when

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing Drew Carey right right, and yeah, between the.

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<v Speaker 2>First second and in the third season, Yeah, she wanted

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<v Speaker 2>me to quit. And that was basically like if we

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<v Speaker 2>go forward, because I smoked a lot, she just like

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<v Speaker 2>put her. It was basically like, she's a very sensible person. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>El see, I always very one of those I mean, look,

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.959
<v Speaker 1>you're married her, you know better than me. Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 1>she always seemed to me with someone who had their

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<v Speaker 1>shit together. It was kind of like an impressive Yeah, organized.

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<v Speaker 2>More than anyone else has helped me with my career

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<v Speaker 2>because of just not just being encouraging but also pushing

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<v Speaker 2>me in a way and disciplining me. See.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that is very important in her career

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<v Speaker 1>because I was much more scatter show and much more

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<v Speaker 1>ambitious until I met Megan, who we've been together eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>years and and you knew me before that, And all

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<v Speaker 1>I could think of was the success must be it

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.679
<v Speaker 1>must be success, and success is a big hit and money.

0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not creative fulfillment. It's not there's no other side.

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a two dimensional thing, and so one or a zero.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand that though yeah, I think for.

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<v Speaker 2>Young people, I think it's okay. And also it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>what Hollywood tells you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was somebody I talked to. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was Peter Medak. Do you know the director Peter Meadow,

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<v Speaker 1>I know his name, Peter. He directed a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of The Wire. Yeah, but he made he made

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of great movies, a movie about the craze,

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.719
<v Speaker 1>and he made a movie called The Ruling Class with

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<v Speaker 1>Peter o'tool back in the Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great movie, rantastic. I think that's his

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<v Speaker 2>first movie.

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<v Speaker 3>D Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And he talks talks like you know, it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>for my purposes. He talks like a you know, an

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<v Speaker 1>old Nazi from nineteen fifties movie.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't talk like this at all, but that sort

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<v Speaker 3>of version of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, He's like, well, you know, see it's the singer's crierk.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the movie Twister makes one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, So movie Fanny and Alexander.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes I don't know what fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore, the movie Twister is a better movie than Fanny

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>and Alexander. Yes, oh no, of course the outside is

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<v Speaker 1>no and.

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<v Speaker 2>You get that. I like guys like that.

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I like guys like that who who kind of see

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that comes with agent experience and

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<v Speaker 1>wearing the hat and not wearing the hat.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's right. Yeah, do you've messed? Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a career where you have worn the hat and

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 2>then you don't wear the hat and then somebody gives

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<v Speaker 2>you the hat again, Yeah, and that's when you're really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciative of the that's next to have a bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think of it. It's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Connery zar Doors. Yeah, we bring it up all

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the time. Yeah, but Zarch, But that's like Sean Connery. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet he's in a MANKINI one point he must

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<v Speaker 1>have been thinking, what the fucker will the fucking MANKINI

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>fucking jobs?

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I know that some people love.

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<v Speaker 1>The movie Outdoors, but I don't think Sean loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about Sean Connery the other day. We

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<v Speaker 1>were right, because when did you me?

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<v Speaker 2>I met him at an awards saying he was getting

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<v Speaker 2>a Lifetime award. This is during the right before The

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Hillbillies came out, and I had a publicist because it

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>felt like I should understand and so I went to

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of parties and one of them was this

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 2>award that he was given and f Maria Brown told

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<v Speaker 2>the story about the director of Name of the Rose,

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.119
<v Speaker 2>who was supposedly very abusive to basically everybody and the

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 2>crew and the actors and really just awful and would

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>lose his shit continually, which is really a terrible thing

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.959
<v Speaker 2>for him. That terrible thing. You're the one who's supposed

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>to be in control. That's the you're not allowed that

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 2>he really shouldn't. But anyway, Connery said nothing through the

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:57.880
<v Speaker 2>entire time to this guy. He just did his job

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and he talked to the actor. He was fine, but

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 2>he just did his job. He didn't say anything to

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<v Speaker 2>the director. And then the director took a big stick

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 2>and was about to hit a horse that he wasn't

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 2>doing what he wanted the horse to do right, and

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Connery grabbed his wrist and pushed it down, and you

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 2>could tell that the director really was like fighting. But

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<v Speaker 2>Connor is a big fella, mister universe. Yeah, so he's

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 2>holding him down. He goes not the horse fu line

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<v Speaker 2>you just yeah, okay, just.

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<v Speaker 1>I was telling you my wife we had only been

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>dating a short period of time and I had to

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 1>give an award to showing at something call he would

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.440
<v Speaker 1>do all the time. He was getting him every week,

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.679
<v Speaker 1>and I was giving him this award. I gave him

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<v Speaker 1>the award and then we get introduced afterwards, and Megan's

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>wearing a dress and went over and I said, yeah,

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>he said, gets very nice to me. Yes, thanks for

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the alt that was very pleasuant. What you shad?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, thank you very much showing This is

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<v Speaker 1>my wife Megan, and he's it very nice to meet you.

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<v Speaker 1>Megan and her tit's blush, not even physically. I didn't

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>even know that tits could blush. She she just went

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>oh and they lit up like it was fucking Halloween.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I didn't even know these things could do that. Well,

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 4>they don't do it for you, but that Sean Tom.

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh my god, he could make the

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 4>women sweat blush. Yeah, that's that's that's quite a sky.

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 2>He was fucking great. Yeah for me, he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Belly Cornley were kind of like the Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson thank you?

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you know? What I mean?

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 3>For you was, what did you watch when you were

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 3>a kid and you go want I want a piece

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 3>of that. I want I want to be able to

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 3>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>My origin story, yeah, is that we were living in Paris.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was a European matress. We were living in Paris.

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 2>We were he was a European representative for the Ford Foundation.

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.679
<v Speaker 2>This is shortly after he brought down Robert mcnamura. He

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 2>was told to basically get out of town.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, not like and you know, have the hat, but

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 3>you better get the fuck out of him for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you really lost the hat. Yeah it's rolled down

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>the street. You're not gonna get that hat. Ended up

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 2>being fine, but yes, that we he was definitely out.

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I basically just learned English. I was little,

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 2>and then there was French, right, and so I was

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 2>really deeply alienated by the whole thing and kind of

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 2>a troubled little kid, little loner, weird kid. At this point,

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I am about three and a half four, three and

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 2>a half four, okay, And my mom paid for my

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>siblings to take me to the movies. And I very

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.199
<v Speaker 2>quickly figured out that that was the deal, because my

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 2>sister would bring all over Stone friends and they would,

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, we would go see Fred Astaire movies. Which

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I totally love. But I really loved Charlie Chaplin. How interesting,

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 2>and there was something about the combination of the path

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 2>I was the physical comedy and just the warmth that

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 2>I really love the sweetness. Now a lot of people

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 2>think it's too treauily. Buster Keaton is probably for the

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 2>hardcore fans, and I'm a huge fan. Don't get me wrong.

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>The hardcore fan. He's just comedy. It's it's very little sentiment.

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>But for me, I love the sentiment. Yeah, it was

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>a little kid, you know. And the first one I

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>saw it was the kid. So I was like, this

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>guy this is and I could hang with this guy.

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 2>He hangs out with kids, and I wreaked up my

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>little I worked up a little Charlie Chaplin act in

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>my room in our apartment, and then I guess about

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>a year later, we went to the theater. My fake auntie,

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Auntie Shure took me and I was my fake you know,

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 2>my mommy, But anyway, she took me. This one theater

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 2>that I loved the most because there was a live

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>musical accompaniment. The guy improvised music to whatever was playing.

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>And it was my favorite because it was just like

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 2>being in the theater in the original.

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>It's weird because it I mean, this sounds like you

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>grew up in the nineteen twenties.

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>It is like, this is what nineteen seventies, seventy yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 2>seventies someone around there anyway, So the film burned, got

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>caught and burned. He went on fire, yeah, and and

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 2>everybody booed, and the lights came back, and I ran

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 2>in between the audience and the screen because nobody boos

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Chaplin. Like, I just wasn't going to allow that

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to happen. So I jumped in between and I did

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 2>my little Charlie Chaplin. The organ player played, and you

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 2>did it for the audience. Did it for the audience

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 2>and the French audience. That's good, they love you. I

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 2>got a standing ovation. Jesus, that is so great.

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Now, I think we have to make a movie of

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>your life because that is such a good origin story.

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Don't you think it's crazy?

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 3>It's lovely?

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny. Yeah. Do you actually have memory of it?

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I you know, there's so many questions about

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>recovered memory. I actually did recover this memory by watching Chaplain,

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the biopic with Robert Downey junior. There is a scene

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>in it where his mother, who's played by Charlie Chaplin's

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>actual daughter Geraldine Chaplin in the movie, plays her own grandmother,

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>grandmother who has a nervous breakdown on stage when Chaplain

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 2>himself is about three or four. That's right, she was

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 2>very ill, she was, And anyway, she had a nervous

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>breakdown on stage and everybody started a boo, and he thought,

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>no one is going to boo my mother. So he

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>jumped on stage and started doing a panamime act because

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>he had no act. It was the only thing that

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>he can think of. And I was sitting in the

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>theater and I was like, she for freak.

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing, that's amazing, And your family remember it.

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's crazy, Yeah, but typical of my family. Like

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I called my mom. I was crying. I called my

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 2>mom and I just want to check something because I

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>had this incredibly powerful experience. It was like an epiphany

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>for me, and I just want to double check and

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 2>make sure that it actually happened and that I wasn't

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>making it up. And she went, oh, yes, yeah, yeah,

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 2>And I go, did you ever think about telling me

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 2>that you know that? And yeah, Auntie, Sure she took

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 2>you and I go, yeah, that's right, Yeah, that's right.

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know the story about Chaplain and Michael Kay

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael Kain told me the story, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>they were both from the area the Elephant and Castle

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<v Speaker 1>in London, like a very poor slum area in London,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the nineteen late nineteen sixties or seventies they

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<v Speaker 1>were knocking down it must have been in the seventies, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>they were knocking down the Elephant and Castle.

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<v Speaker 2>The area in London.

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<v Speaker 1>It was called that because it was it was in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages. It was called Lanflon de Castile, but

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the Londoners couldn't pronounce that elephant castle.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's hilarious. And it was a big children. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were knocking down this area and Michael, who

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<v Speaker 1>grew up there, was walking around it and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he thought, I'll go and see it before they knock

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<v Speaker 1>it down.

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<v Speaker 2>So very early in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one sunday's walking around the Elephant Castle. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of deserted and stuff. And he comes around the

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<v Speaker 1>corner and fucking Charlie Chaplin is there, old man. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said, mister Chaplin, what are you doing yet? I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do Charlie, Charlie chutlerman. But and then you came up,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said, well, I thought i'd come around to

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<v Speaker 1>look at the old neighborhood before they knocked it down.

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<v Speaker 1>In the two of them, it's there's something wonderful about

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>that two huge, huge, my god, and from obviously very

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>different eras.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but still, but then walking around together sharing a childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really fascinating both of these people.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is kind of where I want to lead

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit, is that both of these people,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I never met Chaplin. I presume you didn't either,

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<v Speaker 1>But I've met and spent time with Michael Kaine, who

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<v Speaker 1>is a fucking diamond of a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just amazing. I'm really delighted to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's great about is that he's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>few people I've met that retains the mystique. I know

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<v Speaker 1>how films are made, I've made them, you've made him.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on him, I know how the sausage is made,

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<v Speaker 1>but he keeps the glamour. I wondered for you, is

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<v Speaker 1>there still an area of this business because you've I mean,

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>you've really proved yourself in this game. Is there still

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of like, you know, the feeling you used

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<v Speaker 1>to get when you would see the star's handprints that

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 1>used to I used to kind of get that, and

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't anymore. I'm like, Yeah, it's the guy Pin's

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>end in concrete than matter. You hear stories about people.

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Is there anyone who still does it for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I get starstruck or that I'm.

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Just any starstruck or just retains the mystique who kind

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 1>of still has the glamour on either personally or but

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking more personally like interacting with people. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny, that isn't it. No, I have yet to

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<v Speaker 1>see the glamour of this business. I too totally worshiped

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<v Speaker 1>it from an outsider's perspective, right. I used to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Men's Chinese when I had a particularly intense audition.

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Before I would go, and I would stand in Jimmy

0:34:55.680 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Stewart's shoe prints at Men's Chinese and just look up

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<v Speaker 1>at this Guy'say, show me the magic, to show me

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the magic? Yeah, because he was my favorite of the

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 1>speaking actors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is so cold talking that a little catcho

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 2>on never but I have yet to see glamor. I mean,

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 2>one moment I think was fairly ground glamorous in early

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>screenings of Miscongeniality Too. I went to with AlSi I

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<v Speaker 2>should say, we went to a theater way out in

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 2>like Glendale or something. I can't quite remember right now,

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, we went up to where the projectors were,

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>right because that's where Sandy was. And there was Sandra

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<v Speaker 2>Bullock in the middle of the room on her phone,

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 2>looking amazing and like a star, waiting for the lights

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 2>to go down so she could join the audience. And

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I think that was the one moment where I was like,

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 2>that's actually pretty cool.

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny that I it does go away.

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there's just a lot of desperate people trying

0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 2>to work.

0:35:58.360 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I just went you know, what did it to me

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 1>was late night because every night you met everybody, giant

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.720
<v Speaker 1>star comes out. Not every night, but a lot of times.

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Giant stars come in. Giant stars come in, Giant stars

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 1>come in, and the douche to mens ratio is the

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>same as anywhere else in the world.

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 2>World.

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just like, oh yeah, some guys douches, some

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 1>guys mention and that's just the way it is. But

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>there are people for me still who kind of transcend

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit. Okay, who's that Well Robin Williams

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>did that for me a little bit. Even although we

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>became friendly, there was still like there's it seemed to

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>me he had a magic.

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's genius. Maybe that's what it is. It's not really.

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 3>About glamour and show business, but it's about.

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>The next level of real talent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or when you see somebody doing a thing like

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<v Speaker 1>every now and again, I would see that I could

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>even do. I could do and I'm not saying I

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>could even do it with you, but I can do

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>it with you. Like there were times when I would,

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>like when I was watching BoJack, when you turned up

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 1>in BoJack as the agent, Yeah, I was like, Oh,

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.879
<v Speaker 1>that's fucking gorgeous.

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 2>And it was great. It was good. I mean that

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 2>show for me, I'm such a fan of that shows.

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.760
<v Speaker 1>A really great show. It's a very dark, strange, right, Yeah,

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think there's been a darker comedy.

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, who was it you were working with

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 2>on that? Bob the creator of the show, and I

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 2>did a show together called Save Me Right that was

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 2>a total piece of shit, okay, and he knew it

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and I knew it at the time,

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.399
<v Speaker 2>but he couldn't say anything. But I just talked about

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it all the time.

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>So he appreciated that, yeah, and couldn't wait to get

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>you into it when he had his own show.

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Then he brought me in and he was like, your

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 2>candor was so like refreshing that there was somebody who

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 2>knew that they were on a piece of shit while

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:53.359
<v Speaker 2>they were in it.

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 1>And it was one of those shows, BoJack, I thought

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that you lived in terror of your name turning up

0:37:59.200 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Has he skewered everybody? Yeah? Mine dead? Oh really? Yeah.

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 2>I was watching it one day.

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.359
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I think it's like it's deep into

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the season with BoJack's way the face and the reporters

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>are looking for Bojacks huh And they go to an

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>a meeting Yeah, and they say have you seen any

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:20.919
<v Speaker 1>celebrities and a meeting some I thought, Craig.

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 4>And then the reports that trying to be thranked by

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Association are you?

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 2>And I was like that was good that yeah for Acially,

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>since you're not anonymous, you're recovering and you're pretty clear

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 2>about it. But the AA.

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Thing is anonymous. I don't, I can't, and you wouldn't,

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>of course.

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 2>But what I mean is that he picked the one

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 2>like he was in recovery.

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>He was up, and then there was a there was

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of people left that as well. He

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 1>just ran less than a fucking dishbag. Fucking celebrities that

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 1>have gotten sober included, and I kind of loved it.

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 1>But as as a skewing, it wasn't bad. It wasn't

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>a skewing at all. Okay, I think if you're an actor,

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the way you're an acte, which I admire greatly, is

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that I don't see you being you everywhere.

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think of me anywhere. I hope not.

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm really trying to be somebody else every time. I

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>work really hard at that, in breaking up my own

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 2>rhythms and tried to pick up the rhythm of the

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>with the writing. I really work hard on that. I mean,

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 2>That's why I mean, some people don't even know I'm

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 2>in Napoleon Dynamite because yeah, god those pants. Everybody else.

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 2>My one regret in show business is that I the

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:02.919
<v Speaker 2>greatest I picked. I'm out of a lineup. Jerusha, who

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>was also the co writer but was the wife of

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Jared the director, was also the costume director. Right, that's

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.280
<v Speaker 2>a small thing. Right, She saw me three different pairs

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>of pants and I was like, no, they are amazing.

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.839
<v Speaker 1>So, but is that a thing that you do when

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 1>it comes to like publicity because you're you're happy you

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 1>sat here and this is you.

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I know you.

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen you do a ton of

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>like you did my talk show, but I see I

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen you do a ton of them.

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you do in purpose?

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Are you not so into I mean, it's strange to

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 1>say this as an actor, but I'm not so into

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:38.400
<v Speaker 1>talking about myself.

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I'd not rather talk about a specific project. And if

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I do that, then Twitter has kind of changed this,

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like I you're quite president on that. Also,

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 2>it is a side of me, It's the it's the

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 2>funnier side, the kind of goofy your side. But sometimes

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 2>I open up about the things that I'm actually feeling.

0:40:57.560 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 2>But most of the time I try to be light

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:01.959
<v Speaker 2>and airy. I try to be a positive force, right,

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And in Twitter that's particularly difficult because it's a it's

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 2>a dark place. It is it is a dark place

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 2>it used to be. It was funny.

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to Josh Robert Thompson recently about who's

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the guy who did the robot and the Late night show?

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Who was fucking genius? Yeah, and he was. We were

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 1>talking about how early on Twitter was was kind of great.

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>It was fun, it was light, and it went very

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 1>dark and I think probably was the politics of twenty

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>sixteen and that that kind of.

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think appreciated that a little bit. But I

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.320
<v Speaker 2>think as you were alluding to earlier, it's it's the ratio,

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you get a lot of responses from

0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 2>being negative, and so tend to, yeah, be more negative,

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I think, just to get the attention. They equate negative

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 2>attention and positive attention.

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Has been the same way. Yeah, I don't do that, No, No,

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 1>it's so strong. Negative attention is deeply stressed.

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Well because we're performers, right, so there's a part of

0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 2>us that wants the audience to lat we want that love, right.

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>That's also that if they don't like you, and you're

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>out of business exactly.

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 2>And it's also like if we were to stand on

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.359
<v Speaker 2>sedge and people were to literally boo and we got

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.760
<v Speaker 2>the same feeling out of that. That would be strength,

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that would be that would be good.

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much, Oh bless you all for coming

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 4>hang him throw cabbages exactly.

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Obviously this is if it was a visual medium, I

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:26.800
<v Speaker 1>would have thrown a cabbage.

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Gbages of course.

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 1>What about directing, Oh, sometimes I think about it, but

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>other times I'm just so satisfied with what I do.

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think I'd like you to think about

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it more than really, yeah, because you have a very

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>good personality for it. I mean even talking about it, Like,

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.359
<v Speaker 1>first of all, you're positive, and you also you see

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 1>things and you do things like text analysis, which a

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of fucking directors could do well doing that. But

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 1>I think also you have this thing I'm going to

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>do a massive name him drop fantastic.

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 2>All right. So I was.

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Directing this movie, yeah, and I did a very bad

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 1>job on it. But I was talking to h Warren

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Beatty before I At lunch we wore in Beatty boom, yeah, yeah,

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 1>there he goes. And at lunch we wore and Beaty

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 1>because somebody had set us up lunch so he could

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:19.279
<v Speaker 1>help me. Because I was in the movie and I

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>was directing the movie and so he was I said,

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I need to talk to guys. He's supposed to be

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 1>astonishingly bright. He's amazing and clever. Man, that's what's on

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 1>every waitress that serves.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fucking ridiculous.

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he even knows he's doing it.

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like, you know, you look fabulous, that this is

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the greatest omelet I've ever seen. I was like, I forgot,

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 1>but shameless, unbelievable, Like I don't even know, I conscious,

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know.

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he is hitting on these people. I

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 2>think he's just so.

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Kind of just as warmingly anyway, whatever it is. But

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 1>he he was talking about directing. The number one thing

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.840
<v Speaker 1>he said, don't try and impress anyone. The less you say,

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the more they're going to be impressed. That's interesting, he said,

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 1>because they turn everybody turns up when the movie set,

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and they've all got a call sheet. And on that

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 1>call sheet is written bold type right at the top director.

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 3>And then your name. So they're already impressed. All that's

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 3>going to happen is you're going to disappoint.

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh, and I think that you I wouldn't

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:27.240
<v Speaker 1>have said this about you.

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 3>When we were doing the Drew Carrey, I was out

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:30.280
<v Speaker 3>of control. You weren't out of control.

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>You were younger.

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:34.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you were a nice guy. And I don't

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I will, you know, I don't want to hold with

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 1>any idea that there's anything wrong.

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 2>It was none wrong with you.

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 1>But you clearly are a human being who's made a transit,

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:46.640
<v Speaker 1>who grew up. And I think that you have stories

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>to tell. And even when you when you told the

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>story of you as a little kid in Paris, that's fine.

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Better visual we think about it, thank you. I will

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 3>all right.

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, so when you're making your movie, I would like

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 1>to be angry Parishian these keyd my movement there.

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be fine. I think I could

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>do it. I could throw a mustache. Yeah.

0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>But just acting, then, you don't you don't see it

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:17.879
<v Speaker 1>as a well, that's the wrong thing, is I don't

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 1>mean just acting you Oh, I know what you're saying, right, Yeah?

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I find my job very complex and

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 2>it never gets easy in a way where I kind

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 2>of stop thinking about it. I find every day interesting.

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:38.240
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm on this new show called Lucky

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Hank And with Bob Bob bobble Kirk and an incredible cast, right,

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:48.760
<v Speaker 2>And we did one episode, episode five, where we're all together.

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>It's a bottle episode. For those people that aren't in

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 2>show business, it's basically when the show the studio tells

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 2>you that we have no more money, and so they

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 2>do an episode where everybody's caught together. Right. The snow

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 2>dead episodes not in episode or something. You'll see it

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 2>on TV shows all the time. In show business, they're

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 2>called bottle episodes. That's just the short thing. So the

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 2>writers of Lucky Hank, who were exceptionally good, had all

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>of these characters out in the show in the first

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 2>four episodes, and they were kind of like just a

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of strings, and you didn't know if Hank was

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.359
<v Speaker 2>the thing that pulled it together or why they were

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:28.359
<v Speaker 2>necessarily connected. And in this one episode, they just pulled

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:30.759
<v Speaker 2>the string and they realized that it's been there the

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.359
<v Speaker 2>entire time, and it pulls everyone together with them. And

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a scene where it's twelve pages at a table

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's a loss of time, very long time. It's

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:45.280
<v Speaker 2>like twenty five minutes, yeah, and so we're just sitting there, yeah,

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 2>talking and it reinvigorated my sense of my profession and

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the beauty of it in one day. It was so

0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 2>beautiful to see all these actors in our act and

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.839
<v Speaker 2>create something new every single take, to push each other

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 2>but also push the reality of what we're making get

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 2>deeper and deeper every take. And one of the things

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.240
<v Speaker 2>that drives me completely bonkers about those that don't take

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:18.840
<v Speaker 2>our mutual profession seriously is when they're off camera and

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:22.840
<v Speaker 2>they stop acting. It drives me completely bonkers, like I

0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 2>would prefer you not to be there and I can

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 2>act to tape. And I have asked for this before,

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 2>because actors will just like, you know, they're just going

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:33.240
<v Speaker 2>to the longer or whatever.

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:36.880
<v Speaker 1>The camera's on someone cameras on the other actor.

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 2>They're sitting off camera and for looks basically so that

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 2>your look looks like but they're they're not acting, and

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 2>they barely know their lines or they don't know their

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 2>lines and they're just reading it. It's so distracting to

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 2>me that I would prefer to have a piece of

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 2>tape and I have the script supervisor read, and I

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 2>will look at something that it's like, you're the best

0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>actor ever. I will make you look good at us

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 2>to God, but don't be here right now because you're

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:07.359
<v Speaker 2>not doing it right. And this ensemble with Bob as

0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the lead, every single take was great, even when it

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 2>was coverage of like you know, just one person had

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:17.279
<v Speaker 2>two cameras on them and there was their close up

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:20.440
<v Speaker 2>and there are ten actors in the scene. Everybody acted

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 2>their heart out. Bob was crying off camera. Yeah, that's

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.760
<v Speaker 2>that's just a waste of fee shows. He had already

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 2>done his close up, but somehow he tapped into something

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:30.919
<v Speaker 2>and he just kept going it, just kept tapping into

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>it right, and he was just one hundred percent there

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and everyone was right there. It felt magical.

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's part of the attraction, like at the very

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 1>beginning for a lot of people, I think is the

0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:47.880
<v Speaker 1>collegiate band brothers fields of what it's like to be

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>in an ensemble cast.

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:49.879
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right.

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:52.399
<v Speaker 1>When you and I were talking going back to those

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 1>early days of the Drew Carey Show, that second season,

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:59.240
<v Speaker 1>third fourth season run about that period, maybe the episode

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty five Persuit of one hundred, there was a time

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 1>when I think we were in that space.

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 2>I completely agree with it, and that I think we

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:10.799
<v Speaker 2>lost it probably about mid fifth season, and then we

0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 2>were just doing a job. But for those it's like

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the rock and roll movies when they, you know, the

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.440
<v Speaker 2>band gets together and they have their peak hits and

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 2>they're really great, and then they just keep playing. Yeah,

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and they keep playing and they're playing in the then

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 2>the inevitable happened. The drum is always gonna But when

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it's good, it's really beautiful. You're like, oh, this is

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.960
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll. This is really good. If one person

0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 2>is off, the band is off. But when they're all together,

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 2>it all clicks. It's amazing.

0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's beautiful. And I think that that's kind of odd.

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Even as a viewer when you watch shows, you can

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 1>see like there are shows that just come out of

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:58.360
<v Speaker 1>the gay and they're amazing, and then you know, season ten,

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:02.799
<v Speaker 1>they're like, now, really when they introduced was it the

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Simpsons did the dog with sunglasses on theboard, Like, okay, yeah.

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.319
<v Speaker 2>But I think that there is a kind of lie.

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Carrie Fisher used to say this, and I think it

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 1>was a brilliant thing to say, amongst many brilliant things.

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>That smart, she was wonderful. Did you know I knew

0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, Yeah, she was.

0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:23.840
<v Speaker 2>She was very for me.

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.520
<v Speaker 1>When the Late Night Show started. I had just written

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a book and she read it, and.

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>She American on purpose. No before that.

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:34.959
<v Speaker 1>It was a novel I wrote called Between the Bridge

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and the River and it was a kind of magical

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 1>realist thing and it's never going to make any money

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, but I really wanted to write it,

0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.439
<v Speaker 1>and she read it and she was very positive about

0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 1>it and really kind of introduced me in a way

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>to Hollywood that hadn't been before. She was just amazingly supportive. Wow,

0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:53.479
<v Speaker 1>she did that for tons of people. That's so cool.

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Like she had this kind of like artists colony at

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>our house, and you would go up and you'd meet,

0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:59.720
<v Speaker 1>like I meant, the weirdest people. I'm like about Courtney

0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Love up there, and you mean, like not the Corney

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 1>lovel but she has a little weird I think I

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:05.120
<v Speaker 1>would say that she was.

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Here, but I don't think that's a big surprise. No,

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 2>it's no. But but I just met a lot of

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:14.160
<v Speaker 2>a wild array of different people and lovely.

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 1>But she said, when I put on that metal bikini

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>when I was twenty four, I didn't realize I was

0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 1>making a pact.

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 3>With the universe to look like that for the rest

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:28.280
<v Speaker 3>of my life.

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:28.919
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah.

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 1>And I you know, it was like, it's a moment

0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:33.399
<v Speaker 1>in time. Why can't you let it be that?

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You know.

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:37.279
<v Speaker 1>And I think that with a sitcom when it all

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 1>comes together, or a movie that all comes together. That

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>that's why, you know, when people talk about AI AM like,

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:46.080
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't frighten me because, you know, because it's still

0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 1>got there's too much a for the eye, tomor you

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm fucking mean, it's like, why is it

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:52.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, like.

0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Papa been around a very long time.

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that you know, this is going to

0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.480
<v Speaker 1>be funny because the robot says it's funny.

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good fucking luck robot. Whitney Balier says, the jazz

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 2>is the sound of surprise, and that's fucking great. I

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:08.800
<v Speaker 2>would say the comedy.

0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Is that, And Robin Williams used to say that good

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:12.320
<v Speaker 1>comedy was jazz.

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:17.279
<v Speaker 2>No, there we go. It's good, Dick, You're a joy.

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:20.200
<v Speaker 2>It is beautiful to talk to you. More Powerty.

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm really looking forward to seeing Lucky Hank.

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, well done, Thank you