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Speaker 1: and then remember like this is in Mexico, like he's

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Speaker 1: The vulnerability of being in the situation the worst of

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Speaker 1: sir to who I said, well, all money too, loop

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Speaker 1: and he's like who else? And I'm like, now I

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Speaker 1: people to pay even before Pete's kidnappers called demanding payments

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Speaker 1: of a ten million dollar debt. Did somebody just recently

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Speaker 1: give you a ship, muncle? And I said, yeah, they're cool.

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Speaker 1: the money. I have money. I just I'm not ever

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Speaker 1: voice on the radio. Yeah, I'm like here with your friend.

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Speaker 1: and like hey no, like Eves like, how are you good?

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Speaker 1: How good? I'm glad that you're meeting my friends. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just go ahead and turning the money turning all. I said,

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Speaker 1: You're in good hand. Don't worry about it. I thank you.

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Speaker 1: I goal out to my workers and said, hey, I

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Speaker 1: Lomas and this is happens, he said, and needs the

422
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: guys that are calling you for the money. And I

423
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: was like wow, And I said, you're calling me Happon

424
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: said yeah, here, I am standing with the president that's

425
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: been calling me for the pet Ten days, Jay was

426
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of cartel country negotiating with one of

427
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: the top lieutenants who also just happens to be al

428
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: Toro Welchran Labor's brother, one of the bosses, and was

429
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: now face to face with Chapo's men, the very people

430
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: who have been calling him to negotiate the debt that

431
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: Pete was kidnapped for abands brother. He said, so let

432
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: me explain it just to you. I tried getting your

433
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: brother back. It turns out there he's in debt. The

434
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: debt that Lupe olds is old to Taple, and it

435
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: took a couple other people. I like you. I don't

436
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: even know you, but I like you, but I'm not

437
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: gonna pay your debt. So this is what we're gonna do.

438
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna send you to go see Taple.

439
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: You could work it out with him, and then you're

440
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: gonna come work for me. And I was like, but

441
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: I do all the money, that's not my problem. You

442
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: could work it out with him, and you could work

443
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: it out with me. And he tries to check your like,

444
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: take him go see my dad. Let him talk to

445
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: him and see what he says, and try to work

446
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: it out. He says, how many keys could you sell?

447
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't like at that time, Like

448
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: I just saw like d eighteen keys a month, that's it.

449
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, and I get a good number

450
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: because somewhere He's like it was a joke, you know what.

451
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of being serious, like I'm being business.

452
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: And he says, I can find hund your keys, you know,

453
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: right there, And I said, I'm sorry, I can't take

454
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: your drugs. He said why not. I said, I'm here

455
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: for my brother. I appreciate everything, but I'm here for

456
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: my brother. I'm not here to do business. That's fair.

457
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: And he laughed. She said, this guy looked He said,

458
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: he he's my guy. You know what I mean. They

459
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: just staring at me like I'm different, right, I looked different?

460
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: And he said, okay, give me a phone number. And

461
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: I said, I don't have a phone to give you

462
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: my number. He said, you have three phones right there.

463
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: I said, but you don't want to be on these phones.

464
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to cause you no problems. He said, okay,

465
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: that's there, all right. He said, give him a phone number.

466
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: Whatever cases you will buy on your phone, you call me.

467
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: I said, okay, that it will do that, all right.

468
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow. Something to see you later on

469
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: so we can continue talking. Okay, let's get your brother.

470
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, your brother. They said it looks just

471
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: like you. I said, nah, that's what they say. Hey,

472
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: you guys don't look like I said, no, he's a

473
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: little uglier than me. He starts kind of walking away,

474
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: and I'm here left with Tepio Lomas and happleness. And

475
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: we started talking and he said, hey, you know, no

476
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: harder failings, just doing my job, said no hard feelings.

477
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: And then he's like you keep saying that Lupus you know,

478
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: tied up. Why And I'm like, well, that's what he said.

479
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: He's like you told him that, and he's like, well

480
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: that's what Lupa told me to tell him. What he

481
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: said loop it asks Chapel to tie you your brother.

482
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: That was like devastating to me. Yeah, what did you think?

483
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't My heart was like kind of sank, like

484
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: what I don't understand? And they're looking at me like

485
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: my reaction like why I said No, There's no way.

486
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm like like I'm doing business where I've been paying him,

487
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: Like there's no way. We don't know about that, Like

488
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: why would he say that? You know, I'm kind of

489
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: talking to myself and they're just staring at me like

490
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: which kind of stopped and like, what, don't worry. You know,

491
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take people see chap Fol and I We're

492
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna work it out. I stepped outside like the gate

493
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: and they patted me down and he said all right,

494
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: let's go opened the pick up door and it was

495
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: like probably like a level of seven bullet proof like trucks,

496
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: and they made me sit in the middle, and that

497
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: made me feel a little comfortable. First. And here we

498
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: are like sitting next to him and this is in

499
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: the middle. He's there, and I'm like kind of quiet,

500
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pay a situaal We're going and I

501
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: know we're like on the back ends of the city,

502
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: like it's a lot like potholes and like bumps. At

503
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: that time, I have a rolex A Masterpiece. I got

504
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: like a hundred carrots of diamonds on it. I'm probably

505
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: had like a hundred eighty thousand dollars my wrist. You know.

506
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: The sun hits it, so it kind of catches me like,

507
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, like the diamonds in behind. Tapio Lomas looks

508
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: because as I moved, you know, the sun shitting him.

509
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: At that point, it's kind of hitting him in the face.

510
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: He said, wow, look at that watch. Can you see it?

511
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, sure, and take it off. I handed

512
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: to me, Wow, it's happy, man, almost just watch where

513
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: from Like I don't know, A hundred fifty hundred, eighty thousand,

514
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousands, that's how much my dream houses were.

515
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: And I said yeah. He was looking like, wow, man,

516
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: I want to have the watchlight this one day. It's nice.

517
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: He started giving back to me. The minute he started

518
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: giving me that watch back, I knew I was in

519
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: a good situation. Like I'm just telling you have a

520
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: hundred watch. You could easily take it off me, and

521
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: just like it's mine, I have a chance. It's making

522
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: me feel better, kind of give me a little confident.

523
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: That was my little insurance. Reached over his hand and said, here,

524
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: it's a gift. He said what I said, This is

525
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: my gift to you. I said, you helped me out.

526
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, I can't take something like that.

527
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I can't. I said, no, it's okay, take it. I said,

528
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: that's a little topid for our new friendship. He shook

529
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: my hand. I looked at him, move my hand up.

530
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: He shook my hands like thank you. He said, no

531
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: one ever gave me a gift like this, and I said, well,

532
00:38:42,600 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm the first one. H h yeah, okay.

533
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: We pull up. We arrived to this like farm and

534
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: I can see like corn on one side and they

535
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: have like a hangars. When we pull it, I see

536
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: that there's a patch alog patch like and they see

537
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: all it's a runway and there's no tractors there. There's planes,

538
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of small cessinas because it has to be

539
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: like at least eight ten of them. He's like, get off,

540
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: and a couple of guys coming that. He takes me

541
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: and they have like an oot like a mechanic shop.

542
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: He takes me night. He introduced me to a bunch

543
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: of people like I picked their hands, you their arms.

544
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: He's talking, okay, is it ready? When I come out,

545
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: the plane's already on a little rungly and he's like,

546
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: all right, come on, let's go. So we started walking

547
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: and there's the pilots, this tass skinny kid wearing flip flops.

548
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: He has to be sixteen years old, seventeen years old,

549
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: and he like opens the doors and I'm like, this

550
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: is not right, Like Coln, I walk around the plane

551
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: and which he was like holding the door open. I

552
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: jumped in the back trampe jumps in the front. I

553
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: see that they got a bunch of radios, like a

554
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: bunch of semi radios and stuff. Now I could see

555
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: his feet on the petals and I said, hey, I

556
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: feel like we're good. You're like, oh yeah, man, don't

557
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: everybody's he's the best pilot there is. And I'm like

558
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling well. I'm look in the back and

559
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of eight ks and half aver

560
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: were along like a bitty caliber rightful set across, like

561
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: they have to set in an angle because it's so big.

562
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like, wow, like, okay, let me try to

563
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: startle it in a little bit. They pushed us to,

564
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: like the beginning of the runway. There was a small

565
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: takeoff for sure. To me, I've never been in the

566
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: on that type of plane, so the many we take off,

567
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: it's like i feel like we don't even have enough.

568
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: Like when things like the plane around man started having

569
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: towards the mountains and it's noisy. They have the windows open.

570
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: This's no easy and there could have screaming at each

571
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: other like right back and for having a conversation. I'm

572
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: just likely looking around. I'm like, I'm so scared of

573
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: so much the unknown, you know, the plane ride, everything

574
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: you could imagine, and just thinking about my brother. I

575
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: do remember thinking like man, this is the life they

576
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: live like, and it was about to get worse. But

577
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, like trying to just keep my mind,

578
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, like busy. It was gonna be a half

579
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: hour flight, fifteen twenty minutes. At the takeoffs, you know,

580
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: the superiors have been going off there showing is cold,

581
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: and I could see that the different radios, So I'm

582
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: gonna guess that one it's like for her traffic control,

583
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: one is for this one is for the cartel. The

584
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: look you know this one radio. When they went off,

585
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: they both looked, you know, it's like they have him

586
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: clipped on and he takes the rate off. They kind

587
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: of screaming on numbers, you know, like forty two seven

588
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: pet you know, fifteen minutes, fifteen minute. And then he's

589
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: like it's a Bolulu that's what they called, like the

590
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: black Hawks, like the black helicopters, smaller fighter helicopter. There's

591
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: three of them, and he's like, slow it down, strow

592
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: it down, like just take off the base. Let's see

593
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: which way they had it. And he's like they're gonna come,

594
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: what do you have here? What do you have? What's

595
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: back there? And I'm like to a case and I'm

596
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: big done, Like hand me over the a K and

597
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: move it to me. He said, get the big one

598
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, huh, and get the big racle, get it.

599
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: The meliterary is coming. And we're in this situation like

600
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: when thing would just trying to scare a mob for

601
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: something and they're they're not scared to shoot. My heart

602
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: says that's him. I'm I'm scared, but I'm like, I'm

603
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: doing what he says. I go and the gun in

604
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: the beating a little bit everything. When I thought it

605
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: was a wait, at least a not sixty pounds, probably sing.

606
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: But the way I was kind of positioned, it was

607
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: hard for me that, you know, kind of get over

608
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: because I'm keeping the roof of the of the aircraft

609
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: and the window doesn't go all the way. But he said, no,

610
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: just cheating the barrel. I'm the window. He said, you

611
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna shoot the window. And I'm like, I'm gonna shut

612
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: the window. But to him, he look at me. I

613
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: think I'm looking calm. I just do what he says,

614
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 1: and you know, get it ready. And when I pulled

615
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: the gun out, when I actually put it was a

616
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: fifty car it's already kind of loaded. He has a

617
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: box of like it's a box of ammunition. I kind

618
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: of bring the box over and he's like, go ahead

619
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: and just put one in the chamber. And my first

620
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: child was I couldn't. Maybe I wasn't sure I was weaker.

621
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: I just did it poor enough. I couldn't. Kind of

622
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: like pulled it a little bit, and I then I

623
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: actually knew don't have to actually put some pressure on it,

624
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: like kind of put my left hand on the gun.

625
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: Tonight I got it back. It was just silence m

626
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: few minutes, four minutes, and I'm like, wow, I die here,

627
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: no one and will ever know what happened to me.

628
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: No one but I would know. No one will know.

629
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: I'll just be dead somewhere just playing, will blow up,

630
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Speaker 1: and that's my life. That was like a lie. I'm

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00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: realizing this, not just because I'm not as a drug

632
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: did as as a person, as a husband, Like that's it,

633
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: that's your life. No one would ever know where you're at.

634
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: You'll be somewhere in the damn mountains, you know, in pieces,

635
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: and didn't like that. It's the little moments that you're

636
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: take in that you like, think about what's going on.

637
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: And then he numbers being called on the radio again.

638
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: The raid of Justice comes on. More numbers are being

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00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: called and I can see him be like, oh, all right,

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00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: that's good, that's good, okay, and you kind of keeps

641
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: her okay, go ahead and take the cut down. I

642
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: think we're good. And I'm like, I don't want to,

643
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: like accidentally for it to go off. So I'm like,

644
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: how do I take the gun up? You know, how

645
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: to take the bullet up the chiemer? He said, don't worry,

646
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: but I just just don't don't press the trigger, just

647
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: put set it back down because again I had to

648
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: kind of like carry it and I'm bring it over

649
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: and and I just kind of threw it in the back,

650
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: just kind of just laid it and I sat down like,

651
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: oh my god. And as we're kind of on the plane,

652
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: we're going to big peaks like the plane I feel

653
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: like something that the trees are gonna just like rub

654
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: the belly of the plane. And it was this big mountain.

655
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: We were kind of heady towards end once we hit

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00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: them out, and I could see him start kind of

657
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: like kind of gliding. All right, attitude went down. You know,

658
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: the mountains look cute. You know. You're like, I'm playing

659
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well where are we going? Like

660
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: I don't see enough runway to like land, you know,

661
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: like around these battles. I look ahead and I see it.

662
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: The dirt. It's like this red orange color and it's green.

663
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: You know, mountains are green, and here's this orange like

664
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: play dirt field. I could see it like I'll pale,

665
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: and I could see him kind of like dive in

666
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. And now it's really really scared. I'm like,

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00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: what the elands kind of like down. He's bringing the

668
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: playing down and he kind of adjust as a kind

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00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: of point up. He's landing up hill and I guess

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00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: that's too slow. The play down hard bumpy righting, just

671
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: the plane off. I'm it's rocking left right, because it's

672
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: why Then I think I could see him kind of

673
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: like slamming on, like trying to hold the brakes off.

674
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: And we get to like the end of the runway

675
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: like rarely, and with the speed of the plane, he

676
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: kind of eases up into a turn and he just stops.

677
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: And I look over and I see that on the

678
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: side of the wrong way there's like a bunch of

679
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: vehicles on a bunch of armed men in camouflage during

680
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: quads and four wheelers. They have hats on top. Okay,

681
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: if all right, we're here, come on, let's go. We

682
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: get off the plane. He's out, I'll be back. I'll

683
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: see you a bit. Jumps off. I jump up and

684
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: right away they approached him and they has the cars

685
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: waiting from there's a bunch like there has to be

686
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: least dirty guys. For you guys. There's a spat little caravan.

687
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: We jump in the car and we make our way

688
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: like started driving like uphills, like down these roads, winding roads,

689
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: dirt roads like some of them might not even like

690
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: actually roads. And I see that a bunch of like

691
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: one cars, a bunch of armed men in camouflaged gear

692
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: like army gear but more a little dirt, and were

693
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of pulling like like we're here. You know, everyone's

694
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: just staring at me. I'm kind of getting off. Everyone's

695
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: just looking at me. Very young kids, I'm talking about

696
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: thirty years old. We're rifles sitting there and uh, he

697
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: tells me, come on, you're going and just like some

698
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: stairs and we come up the stairs and realized it's

699
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: a big old ballapa, huge plapez. It's like for the sun.

700
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Like in Mexico, the common and religious that keep me

701
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: bos that are made for your from palm trees. It's huge.

702
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: There's fans, but the view like the men I got

703
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: up to, like the views of while you see the

704
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: tip of mom It was just like amazing picture. You

705
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: could feel the fresh air when you're under that palappa fresh.

706
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: It's cool. And there's a couple of dings fair and

707
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: one of them is like, I guess chapel like radio guys,

708
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: and you think, like wish apple, it will be here

709
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: right now. Uh. I shake his hand and he said

710
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: I'll be back. I see him kind of go to

711
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: this and fall up on the stairs and I see

712
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: his head kind of like start dipping away, and I'm

713
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: just caught up in the views, like wow, man, it's

714
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: so beautiful up here. And one of them is like, yeah,

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00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: he's like where you sawing making a spon talk. As

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00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: I was walking across the palapa, there's tables. I see

717
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: that there's you know he has like these picnic tables

718
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: are like these one more table like plastic ones. There's

719
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of newspapers and if someone have Chapple the

720
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: face in the front of it on the table and

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00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: he has a TVs there. As I'm making my way

722
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: across the palapa. I see Chapple kind of like climbing

723
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: back up the stairs and he choose to and I

724
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: looked and I could see his hat kind of coming

725
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: up so slowly. It's a black it's a basebhind you

726
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: has the holes in the back. I could see the

727
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: front of it as he's like wings. It was like

728
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: an air force here, like one of the military heads.

729
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: He's coming up like up just to us. And I

730
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: see him and I'm like, he did look a little

731
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: like hunger than when I thought mustache. He has a

732
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: white button, I'm sure, like wrangular jeans and he has

733
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: out black Nike books. When he see me, he looks

734
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: at me and he couldn't because a second take, which

735
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: is out in stand and he's like, how kings wan Loeta.

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00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: I tell my name Margarita Florest, need the Florest. Why

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00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: is he's shaking my hand? He's just staring at dry

738
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: stare just staring. I mean, I'm like sugar hand kind

739
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: of like he's kind of stars. I mean, I'm kind

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00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: of trying to give me back my hand a little bit,

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00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:30,040
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