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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this spinoff episode of Geis,

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Speaker 1: which we're calling the Iconograph. Instead of looking at the

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Speaker 1: Zeke guys through current events on Monday mornings, we're looking

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Speaker 1: at the Zeke guys through the powerful pop cultural horecruxes

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Speaker 1: that are our icons.

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Speaker 2: Icons.

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Speaker 1: We use these figures to create meaning, meaning, to build identity.

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Speaker 1: To learn the coolest looking way to die while playing

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Speaker 1: sports cool fuck you. To learn how to get girls

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Speaker 1: when you are built like a coat rack with an

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Speaker 1: Adams apple Uh. To learn the valuable lesson that sometimes

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Speaker 1: selling out is okay and sometimes it sucks shit. That's right.

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Speaker 1: This week we're talking about Tony Hawk, a combination of

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Evil Knevil, and Johnny Appleseed. I'm thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host, mister Miles. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Johnny apple Seed. That's just fucking thrill. Okay, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I don't know any I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know again, I know enough about Tony Hawk to know

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Speaker 2: who Tony Hawk is. But that's what I love about

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Speaker 2: these episodes. As I go, right right, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: more going on.

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Speaker 1: They gotta add Johnny Applefeed. I just added that comparison

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Speaker 1: right now on the top of my head, because he

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Speaker 1: he was like a bit of an ambassador. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I pronounced.

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Speaker 3: It like thatd he wore a pan.

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Speaker 1: On pan diaphers talking about how I think we got

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Speaker 1: to add Johnny Appleseed to the list of icons we're

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Speaker 1: gonna cover because that is such a bad Christian though

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Speaker 1: it isn't not like a super Christian thing. Oh is this?

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Speaker 1: I just thought he was like a maniac who like

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Speaker 1: didn't wear clothes, wore a pot on the top of

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Speaker 1: his head and was there, you guys gotta try these

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Speaker 1: fucking apples.

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Speaker 2: Bro And because I remember there was in school we

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Speaker 2: sang before we went to lunch. We sang like a

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Speaker 2: grace song before we eat, and we would saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: the Lord is good to me, and so I thank

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Speaker 2: the Lord for giving me the things I need, the

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Speaker 2: sun and the rain and the apple seed the Lord,

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Speaker 2: and like that's what we were saying that They were like,

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Speaker 2: that's the Johnny apple seeds.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to take credit for Johnny Appleseed's work, trying

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Speaker 1: to give that credit to fucking the Lord. Johnny Appleseed

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Speaker 1: did that anyway, you think invented apples. We're being this,

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Speaker 1: but it is a little bit. Yeah, it is a

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Speaker 1: little bit like George Solitaire claiming to have invented Splitsville

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Speaker 1: and Dolesville to somebody who's just like, yeah, Apples, that's me,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Apples, that's my shit. I'm also getting.

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Speaker 2: Apple slow arsenic poisoning from all the from all the

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Speaker 2: apple seeds.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, what if he was like, no, you're

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Speaker 1: eating the wrong part. It's the seeds. That's where it's at.

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Speaker 1: Brother Miles. We're thrilled to be joined in our third

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Speaker 1: seat by very funny comedian, actor, writer improviser whose podcast

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Speaker 1: is rebrand a very funny special Caled spirit Utually Filthy

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Speaker 1: on YouTube that you must go check out. He just

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Speaker 1: Benny Hannad into the zoom. He's there, wheels on the street.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, skateboarding correspondent.

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Speaker 3: It's more, what's so psyched to be here? God? Just

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Speaker 3: before if you get big up the Miles for the

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Speaker 3: only person to make the word horcrux sound cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get him. I'm trying to get

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Speaker 2: in my hype man bag with the openings. You know what,

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Speaker 2: I mean you got it. It's the right word to

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Speaker 2: really yell out, like you're saying, like, dude, yeah, where

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Speaker 2: horn trucks at?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like somebody was in the rough Riders or something.

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Speaker 3: He didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, He's pretty sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: People talk, people talk about Swiss beats and d MX,

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Speaker 2: but horn crooks and none of that's happening without horcrucks

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Speaker 2: in the bank.

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Speaker 1: You don't know that. He's like a Yonkers legend more

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Speaker 1: you are a skating aficionado. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When I first asked you about coming on to do this,

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Speaker 1: you were like, well, Tony Hawk not my favorite skater,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna get into it because it

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Speaker 1: is a complicated legacy well involving.

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Speaker 3: I want to say a few things because I might

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Speaker 3: we make you some light roasting. I will say I

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Speaker 3: do love Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk is the first professional

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Speaker 3: skateboard I ever got nineteen eighty eight with the classic

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Speaker 3: v VLC that graphic of the chicken hawk skull that

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Speaker 3: you might reckon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He said this about the Olympics. He said, skateboarding doesn't

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Speaker 3: need the Olympics. The Olympics needs skateboarding.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Fuck you the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: I think that's very Hey, look, there are, as we

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Speaker 3: all know, there are reasons not to love the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I truly do respect an anti Olympics take from

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Speaker 1: him because he's not always on the right side of

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Speaker 1: stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: No, not always. And also if you watch his there's

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Speaker 3: that Amieba YouTube series called What's in My Bag where

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Speaker 3: it's like a celebrities talking about music. Because of his

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Speaker 3: connection to skateboarding, which is like inextricable for music, he

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Speaker 3: has really interesting cool like early seventies punk music taste.

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Speaker 4: Yes, when he created, he curated the he created, he

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Speaker 4: curated the soundtrack to Tony Hawk pro Skater, which the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, for the first time, I think a bunch

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Speaker 1: That that's where I first found out about him as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a he's a brilliant marketer obviously, you know,

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Speaker 3: and he's and he's a nerd, which is also why

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Speaker 3: you have me on because I look the most like

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Speaker 3: Tony Hawk of all.

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Speaker 1: That's right, who else do we know? That's a.

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: I will say on the list of icons, he's got

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Speaker 1: the name that is most If a writer named a

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Speaker 1: done that much better. Like it looks like a bird

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Speaker 1: flies for a living, yes, And then he's got a

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Speaker 3: It's like a Michael Jordan was named David Basketball.

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Speaker 1: Right right, right right, yeah, like David Skywalker or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to I think that Tony also helps because

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Speaker 1: it matches his like look being goofy. There there's another

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Speaker 1: great skater of his generation named Lance Mountain, who like

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Speaker 1: fucking sick name for a wrestler. Yeah, it doesn't work

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Speaker 1: as well here, you know, Lance Mountain should have just

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Speaker 1: kind of nerd is just like branded instant nerdy and shorts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like he does amazing things for skinny guys

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Speaker 1: from a bunch of clothes that like don't appear to

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Speaker 1: his scrawny building. Well, it's a big part. That's a

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Speaker 1: big part of his story. I'll say, Yeah, he's Skellington.

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Speaker 1: He's Skelington. Coded also up there with Whoopi Goldberg in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, famous people with no eyebrows. I'm

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Speaker 1: You can look, there's some pictures of him with his

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Speaker 3: But weird shit you could get into when you're fifty

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Speaker 1: And WHOA what if I had eyebrows?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you could go way work. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's you could easily just go full on right wing grifter.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't done that. He's just weird with those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is fascinated by that site that would just,

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Speaker 3: And it's the amount that it is how you look

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Speaker 2: And then so funny, he's like, he's like Carlos Boozer

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Speaker 1: Wow, he exploring the studio space, all right. His his

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Speaker 1: story is the story of the rise of skateboarding. So

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Speaker 1: just a little context for skateboarding. The sports roots go

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Speaker 1: back to the early nineteen hundred hundreds when kids banged

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Speaker 1: that would have been sick. But I was Mussolini dropped

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did like early grow backside airs, and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But it is interesting that while skateboarding wasn't invented

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Speaker 1: But the next big part of the evolution was the

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Speaker 3: Also, I don't know if you have sat down there,

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Speaker 3: but that was a huge technological advancement that allowed skateboard.

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Speaker 3: They went for like metal and clay, which don't work.

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Speaker 1: Then you know, dude, what all these wheels stayed round?

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Speaker 3: And that's a big aspect of why skateboarding I think

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Speaker 3: is an expression of punk rock. No, this is an

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Speaker 1: So that's why you always say skater lives matter. I

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Speaker 1: So there'd be signs there was like no tennis here,

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Speaker 2: We can't play tennis, and security guards you're like chasing

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Speaker 2: like that's cool because we know that happens to skates

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Speaker 3: Right, there's footage of him Tony Hawk playing seven to twenty,

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Speaker 1: We'll get to the Bones Brigade when we get to

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Speaker 1: So let's I totally get that Ynys.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating because that is skateboarding evolves in that way in

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into all of that in Tony

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Speaker 1: fly through the air on an experimental piece of technology

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00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: like at eleven. And there's also this detail in the

437
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,479
Speaker 1: documentary until the wheels fall off, where his mom is

438
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: like open about that he was a mistake, and his

439
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: brother in the documentary is like, yeah, mom would have

440
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: had an abortion if she could have, like real matter

441
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: of fact. Wow, it's just an open thing. So not

442
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: sure what that does for a kid's self esteem, but

443
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: certainly you want to prove yourself. Yeah, it certainly. Also

444
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: like probably keeps the helicopter parenting at day when they're like, eh,

445
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean we could kind of take them or leieve.

446
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy seven, Vin, he's nine or ten. His older

447
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: brother Steve, who's a surfer, gives him a thin plastic

448
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: skateboard and he proceeds to go down the alley and

449
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: run into a fence and get splinters in his fingers.

450
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: But within a year of that, he goes to a

451
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: skate park sees people flying out of swimming pools and

452
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: it's like, I want to do that. I want to fly.

453
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: My last name is hawk. It's the nominat of determinism

454
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: is too much on that documentary, it feels like they're

455
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: digging for a quote where he like gets on and

456
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: he's just like, you know, love at first sight, and

457
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: he's immediately awesome. But he said his first thought was, oh,

458
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 1: this is hard, which I don't know that endeared him

459
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: to me, like I tried again. I think I told

460
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: you this more like after having played with a skateboard

461
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: as a kid, and then we got my son a skateboard,

462
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: and I've like skied and snowboarded since then, and I

463
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: was expecting it to feel like somewhat natural. And I

464
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: got on the skateboard and my insides were immediately like,

465
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: this is not supposed to be happening. What is going

466
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: gone stop? So I liked to hear that that was

467
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: also he was immediately like what the fuck is this?

468
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: That skateboard that he initially wiped out on is now

469
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: in the Smithsonian. Also just a bit of foreshadowing. I

470
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: feel like the splinters might have been part of what

471
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: drew him to it, because he seems to be there's

472
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Speaker 1: a chance that he's like a massive masochist. Are the

473
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 1: skaters are He's really like they're they're all so badly

474
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: fucked up at this point, they're all like, yeah, he

475
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: can't I can't move my head to the left, and

476
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: he he can't turn his head in either direction. He's

477
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: like he's permanently wearing Michael Keaton's Batman suit, and he's.

478
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: On record being like, I've never stretched before, and you

479
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: watch him walk, he's stretched.

480
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was an outcast in school childhood hero is

481
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: evil Knieve just seeing someone come overcome danger and fear,

482
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: he seemed like an immortal is a quote from him. Again,

483
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: he remembers his parents being surprisingly supportive of his skating,

484
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: which going back to the original point where they're like, yeah,

485
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: I really didn't want this fucking kid, but then they

486
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: they're really like his dad steps up in a way

487
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: that is I think detrimental to his Like it's good

488
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: for skateboarding overall, but I think detrimental to Tony Hawk's career.

489
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: One quick thing about just his you know, in some

490
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: ways he's like this great force for spreading skateboarding. He's

491
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: also surfing a wave that he is just like in

492
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time. He grows up

493
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: next to this place called the Oasis skate Park that

494
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: is just this giant like industrial like abandoned industrial site

495
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: looking thing under a highway overpass is like crazy looking.

496
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: It's like just this giant got out. Is at least

497
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: this skate park. You can see old pictures of it

498
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: on the seventies.

499
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: They do. They look like they're from all They should

500
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: be on the moon or something, because they hadn't regulated

501
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: what skate parks are supposed to like exactly.

502
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: They're like kind of yeah, they hadn't like killed enough

503
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: children yet for it, Like we can't have this be open.

504
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: Tony Hawk has a like skate park built in his

505
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: backyard at one point in his life and a kid

506
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: like sneaks on and like breaks his elbow and he

507
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: gets sued under what is called the attractive nuisance law,

508
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: which is you can't even if it's on private property

509
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: and the person sneaking on the skate park is visible

510
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: from the high like it's massive. So people are they're

511
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: just like, you can't. You can't do that, man, you

512
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: can't just like have a thing that is essentially like gasoline,

513
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: fireworks and matches. Right, you can't come on, it's in

514
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: my backyard. But yeah, so his dad, Frank Hawk comes

515
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: in like it's just he's a former marine. Yeah, I

516
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: get it. I get I see what you did, Miles,

517
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: I see it. Yeah, you know you know me.

518
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: There's Joke Skateboards. Uh, some company made like Mike Hawk skateboard.

519
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: But he comes in and he's like a you know,

520
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: a marine who's like, well, this thing needs form, this

521
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: thing needs rigor, and so he like helps create the

522
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: sanctioning body for all the main competitions. Eventually, like what

523
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: he invents eventually becomes the World Cup Skateboarding, which is

524
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: the governing body for the X Games. And he's just

525
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: this like serious guy with like aviators on, just walking

526
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: around like being a hard ass, being like what are

527
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: you gonna do with your life?

528
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: The skaters and documentary they say he loved yelling at children,

529
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: which is hilarious quality. Get out there was his favorite

530
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: phrase off of there the kids skateboarding. But I'll say

531
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: too real quick. One thing about that documentary, which I

532
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: rewatched again recently, is they do you give Neil Blender

533
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: a little bit of an unfair shake Neil Blender is

534
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: The documentary kind of makes it like they made the

535
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: MC twist and then Neil Blender got faded out and

536
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: nobody remembers him. But he he co created the Alien Workshop,

537
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: which is my favorite, like one of the incredibly artful

538
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: skateboard company. And he was like he had so much

539
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: style and like he's real funny. You should look up

540
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: Neil Blender's skateboard street skateboard competition. He does the funniest run.

541
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 3: It's real sarcastic, like he's making fun of contests.

542
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Anyway, there's a whole humor aspect of skate culture that

543
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: doesn't come through in Icon's episode about Tony Hawk because like,

544
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he he like jumps in there. We'll we'll

545
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: talk about the jackass stunt that almost killed him, but

546
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: just in terms of like what we've already been talking

547
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: about with like skateboarding's entire ethos of being anti establishment.

548
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: And then you've got this kid who's dad, Frank Hawk

549
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: is a former marine who's like keeps telling kids they

550
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: need discipline, and his one passion is yelling at children,

551
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: and like it is also like scoring the competitions as

552
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: his son is like getting the highest scores, like probably deservedly.

553
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of a miracle he recovered from that to

554
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: like go on to be successful in a sport that

555
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: is so focused on like being cool and shit. But yeah,

556
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: like Thrasher magazine at this time is a lobbing accusations

557
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: of like favoritism and contest due to familial connections, but

558
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: so at age eleven, he enters his first skating competition.

559
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: Around twelve, he becomes the youngest member of an elite

560
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: skateboard team, the Bones Brigade, which was formed by Stacy Peralta,

561
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: founder of pal Paralta Skateboards. Bones was the term they

562
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: used for their wheels, and as as Hawk himself put it,

563
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: the Bones Brigade symbolized the clean, parent approved side of

564
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: the sport, which is like being part of a team

565
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: called the Bones Brigade that is like the softer, family

566
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: approved version is so funny, like we're the toughest Streek

567
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: gang out, We're the Blades Crew and then like immediately

568
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: get hit in the face with a jar of piss.

569
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: You know, the Bones Brigade. Mister, you don't want to

570
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: mess with us.

571
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: They were they were like safe rebellion, like like on

572
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: the I saw that, I paused it. I watched that

573
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: documentary last night and I had I've never owned the

574
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: Bones Brigade video show, which is the first real video

575
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 3: that came out, But on it says like warning watching

576
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: parents watching this may find it hazardous to their mental

577
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: health or whatever the hell.

578
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it's like the early nineties, like eighties

579
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: version of like extreme. Yeah, it like makes it into

580
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: toy commercials where the dad's like it was crazy because

581
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: the kids are getting too too wild with the nerves.

582
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: But so at this stage he comes in and he's

583
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: like tiny. He truly like looks like his gear is

584
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: wearing him. It's like gear like a helmet and knee

585
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: pads is skating around out there. Uh bony hawk. Yeah,

586
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't even like have the strength to do the tricks,

587
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: and so like there there are these things that he

588
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: does that at first people call him like a circus

589
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: skater because of the way he skates and because of

590
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: like you know, his dad. He gets booed at a

591
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: lot of contests early on, people are channing for his rival,

592
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: Christian Hassoi. Yeah, some people are throwing beer cans on

593
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: on the halfpipe as he's as he's skating. But just

594
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: like back to how much coolness is a part of this.

595
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: You see footage in this documentary of Christian Hansoy and

596
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: he's like skating with out a shirt on. His T

597
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: shirt is tucked into his waistband like flapping behind him

598
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: like a cape, and he just looks like if Flee

599
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: was a superhero and then this little fucking nerd gets

600
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: out there looking like he weighs less than his skateboard,

601
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: and he's like nailing the tricks. But then the guy

602
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: giving him the good score is his dad. Like father says,

603
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm quite good. So people don't like him at first,

604
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: and Peralta says at this point, par Alto is the

605
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: head of the Bones brigade said, Tony did not display

606
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: any physical talent. You could watch Tony as a thirteen

607
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: year old kid and go dime a dozen. He skated

608
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: as if he was being operated by a puppet tear.

609
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: The one thing that he did have is you could

610
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: see in this little weakling of a kid man that

611
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: we're really going hard on.

612
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: How one was people.

613
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this little weakling of a kid, this intense determination,

614
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: and I think this does for Shadow like I think

615
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: this is his main superpower. I thought of Michael Jordan

616
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: more than once during the research for this, because he

617
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: is a psychopathic competitor. He like, first he's too small,

618
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: then he's too tall, but he becomes the best because

619
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: of just like sheer tyranny of will. And it's actually interesting.

620
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: His most iconic moment in skateboarding might be landing the

621
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: nine hundred at the X Games and it's he lands

622
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: it on the eleventh try. He eats shit ten times

623
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: like in this iconic moment, which is a pretty good encapsulation.

624
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: But so this is this is also interesting just talking

625
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: about sort of the fluidity of skateboarding and like how

626
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: people are kind of making it up as they go.

627
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: When skateboarders originally did aerials, they'd go up the side

628
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: of the pool and they'd pull the skateboard off and

629
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: kind of do a leap into the air, but they'd

630
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: like pull it with their hands. And he couldn't do

631
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: that because he was like too weak, he didn't have

632
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: the strengths, and so he started doing a thing where

633
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: he would alie into his areals without like touching the board,

634
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: and people were like, well, let's you can't do that,

635
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: can you? And it turns out that the reason he's

636
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: able to do that as like a kid with no strength,

637
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: is because it's the more efficient way to do it,

638
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: Like you never break your speed. It's just like in

639
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: one motion, and he just kind of creates it out

640
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: of necessity and it becomes the way that kind of

641
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: everybody does it now.

642
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it and it's one slight adent here because

643
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: I don't that's I don't quite agree with the chronology

644
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 3: of that slightly, which is that there they do skip

645
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: over Alan Olie Gelfin, who invented the no handed ALI, right,

646
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: so he invented that, and then and then the bird

647
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 3: skaters they were doing these early grabs look like shit

648
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: like you if you you had to bend over, you

649
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: look all weird. You grab it you up right? Yeah,

650
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: Tony So I feel like Tony Hawk combined the Ollie

651
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: that out. Yeah yeah, and then and now all of

652
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: a sudden it is like, oh yeah you can. I mean,

653
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: you're right. It's what led to people being able to

654
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: do like thirteen sixteen foot airs or whatever right now.

655
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Ali was evented like back in

656
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: the seventies. Yeah, I mean I meant to mention that

657
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny that it was just named

658
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: after somebody named Ali. It was before they were getting

659
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: too creative with the names. But uh, he starts winning everything.

660
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: Well for at first, he starts seeing like his first

661
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: indication that he's good is that, like he starts seeing

662
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: other skaters learn his tricks. And then by the time

663
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: he's sixteen, he's ranked number one in the world, and

664
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: at this point, like he kind of becomes a machine

665
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: where he's just like, Okay, I got to do this trick,

666
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: then this trick, and I know that will win it

667
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: for me. And then he like brings this massive trophy

668
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: home and like just throws it in the trash and

669
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: he quits temporarily because and again this kind of was

670
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: giving Jordan for me. He starts winning everything, getting everything

671
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: he thinks he wants them, like falls into a deep depression,

672
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: like Jordan leaving basketball after three peeting was. I think

673
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: that's one of the most important or interesting parts of

674
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: Jordan's life. And you know, just being animated by this

675
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: like single minded purpose to destroy your competition, right, and

676
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: then once you do, you're like immediately spiritually broken. I

677
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: just I just think it's interesting that these like hyper

678
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: competitive killers like hit a plateau and need to step

679
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: away for a while because like because it just makes Yeah,

680
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: it's just like a spiritual thing. It's just like you know,

681
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: you just there's there's nothing else to do. You thought

682
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: this was going to bring you spiritual fulfillment and it

683
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: just like completely hasn't.

684
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's you often not to psychoanalyze. But you know,

685
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: we talked about his childhood, Like, I think there's definitely

686
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: some pain in there that the feat and I think

687
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: this happens a lot with successful people, is like feeling

688
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: is that, Okay, once I dominate and everybody knows I'm

689
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: the best.

690
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: This pain will go away, right right? It doesn't, right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

691
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: He comes back sooner than Michael Jordan because he's not

692
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: playing minor league baseball, and uh yeah, it comes back

693
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: with a with a new like bag of tricks and

694
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: like he's like kind of doing it for the love

695
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: of skateboarding and becomes massive. And this this also coincides

696
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: with one of the big kind of booms and skateboarding,

697
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: which is driven by the popularity of video. The Bones

698
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: Brigade is at the forefront of that innovation. As you

699
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: talked about more. They have the Bones Brigade video show,

700
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: directed by Peralta and released on VHS and they're like, yeah,

701
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: they'll like play it in the front of skate shops,

702
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: and then a couple months later the home VCR is

703
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: just everywhere and people are like renting and trading the

704
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: tapes and it becomes this whole thing that's able to

705
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: like spread skating around the world, and so they start

706
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: like touring in the late eighties, they go on a

707
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: month long tour of the US, a six week tour

708
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: of Europe and they skate. There's like cool footage from

709
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: this time where they're like skating in these parks and

710
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: there's just like people like in Australia, just like people

711
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: crowding like on the tops of buildings just to see them.

712
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: And this is when he gets the Bones Brigade corporate card.

713
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: It's just like buying video games and everybody like starts

714
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: becoming gamers and they love video games, which obviously comes

715
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: into they're just like kind of on the right things

716
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: at the right time because they're actual teenagers and team

717
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: culture is like kind of what drives American pop culture

718
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: for the next couple decades.

719
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much he's like like Bill Gates

720
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: in that thing where he's like, well, Bill Gates had

721
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: a computer access to a computer because of his family,

722
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: like really early, and that like helped open everything up.

723
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: And I now realized, like, oh, dude, you got a

724
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: fucking you hat like one of the first skate parks

725
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: just there. Yeah, to really dial in that technical ability,

726
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: like man, okay, super fortunate.

727
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: To be in southern California, and there was like a

728
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: couple it was like Marina del Rey and upland all

729
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: these other ones like all around yeah, he would go

730
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: to yeah. And also you know, like they were absolutely

731
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: in the right place at the right time, and they

732
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: were so dedicated that they evolved the sport enough that

733
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: it looked great by the time it got on video.

734
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 6: Yeah.

735
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

736
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: So it's like a combination of those things.

737
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, and then it just like kind of

738
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: goes away in the early nineties again where like they

739
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, the president was the sport would like grow

740
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: and then disappear, and so it grew from like seventy

741
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: three to seventy nine. There's a dip filed by another

742
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: peak around eighty five to ninety and then it just

743
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: like has maybe its biggest dip ever in the early nineties,

744
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: which is crazy because yeah, and like brands just like

745
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: go out of business and like skate parks close.

746
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: And what happened here really really quick is that because

747
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: skateboarding is teenagers, it evolved super quickly, right, So skateboards

748
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: got super tiny, or the wheels got super tiny. The

749
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 3: clothes got super huge because they were at the early

750
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: nineties that were kind of connected to rave culture, and

751
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: then it started to get actually really dangerous, like World

752
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 3: Industries took that's a whole fascinating story. World Industries took

753
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: down the big three, which is Santa Cruz, Vision and

754
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: Powell Perelta, and then they started doing things like sending

755
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: their young skateboarder pros on tour, giving them as much

756
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: money as they wanted, like hiring strippers to come hang

757
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: out with them, and like all this crazy, crazy shit.

758
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: So wow, it got cool, and it got even cooler,

759
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: and the tricks got more specific and technical, so that

760
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: later in the mid nineties, when things started to get

761
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: a little bigger with the East Coast influence, then shit

762
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: started to look good again, which then coincided again with

763
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 3: the popularity.

764
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, And is also apparently a demographic bulge

765
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: in the eight to eleven year old age group in

766
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: the mid nineties that comes along and like drives the

767
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: next kind of boom of skateboarding fandom, at least that's

768
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: according to people with flow charts, and you know, the

769
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: marketing people are like, well, look at this demographic bulge.

770
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: We got to get back out there and take take

771
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: advantage of this children's bulge. Well, that's one way to

772
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: put in what's also together market. Then we're gonna have

773
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: to work on the phrasing there. I don't I don't

774
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: think that's children's bulge.

775
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm noticing, Well, hold on what demographically speaking the thing with? Yeah,

776
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: because when you talk about that and Brian Edder alsoid

777
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: the same thing, because we're in the same age growing

778
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: up in LA in the mid nineties. That's truly when

779
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: skating became undeniable, Like you had to try to skateboard

780
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: at some point, like because all your friends were doing it. Also,

781
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: all of the shit that you could wear looked kind

782
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 2: of cool to a kid, like like the world industry

783
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: is like flame boy it or though like you know,

784
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: alien workshop stuff, whereas all stuff that like visually I

785
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: gravitated towards. And then you have these catalogs like CCS

786
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: come out where you can now just fully just like

787
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: lose yourself into the entire esthetic of skateboard culture and

788
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: that like that really cemented it for me. It was

789
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: like they just all the visual part and you know,

790
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: growing up in LA in the Valley, especially, like we

791
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: had so many skate shops that just made it like

792
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 2: like the default thing to do for that era.

793
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the skate the skateboard is an easel for art

794
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: is a really profound aspect of booths popularity and its

795
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: ability to define itself. And also it attracts artists and

796
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: artful people in that way because it has it's three

797
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: dimensional and its ability to like allow one to express

798
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: themselves like I know this COUPLEY represents is I like

799
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: that that's me. I'm buying that, right. And then and

800
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: then it inspires a lot of people to like draw

801
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: and get into different you know, play music whatever. It is,

802
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: So a lot of whatever, you know what I mean,

803
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: Like Pharrell skated, you know what I mean. There's a

804
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: lot where it's people who have like you know, they

805
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 3: practice various kinds of art and then learn learn through

806
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: repetition and get better other shit.

807
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah right, But I do think this period of the

808
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: early nineties where he had like just gotten married, had

809
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: a kid, and then like the income completely dries up

810
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: and they're eating Taco Bell top Ramen and PB and

811
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: Jay Sam, which is like that's you know, his wife

812
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: who's a manicurist at the time his first of four wives,

813
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: but they like used her cash tips to buy food.

814
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: I think that is important context for when he becomes

815
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: like just he will do anything. He will, he will

816
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: he will appear on the masked singer, he will you know,

817
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: do subway commercials, and like, you know, when you have

818
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: that early scarcity mentality where this is even at this

819
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: point after he's been like touring the world and like

820
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: is world famous in this subculture, is when he's like, yeah,

821
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: people were saying to my wife, like, oh my god,

822
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: he's still skating, Like that's so sad, you know. And

823
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: he would still spend like he was finding odd jobs

824
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: and like doing some computer programming and editing some videos

825
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: and advising people who still had like skating and movies

826
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but like really barely making ends meet.

827
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably got to leave a mark,

828
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: you know.

829
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a that's a great point and

830
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: too like at this speaking of the well, also in

831
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: the early nineties he created Birdhouse, which ended up being

832
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: and it really is they I've heard this thing that says,

833
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: like the middle way, like when things are thin, that's

834
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: when you prove to God that you're truly dedicated. Right,

835
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: So there's like this period where he's he he you know,

836
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: Christian Assoy went to jail for a while for like

837
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: passiking mess Like there's a b Jeff Crosso. There's a

838
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: bunch of like really wonderful skateboarders who had really low

839
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: points at this time. And I think Tony Hawk is

840
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: like he was kind of a nerd, so he was

841
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: he didn't get into like drinking and drugs or whatever.

842
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: But the sellout thing came from, you know, and the

843
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: kind of gen X culture of it all. The idea

844
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: of selling out was an important aspect of like a

845
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: rebellious ethos. Sure, now it kind of doesn't matter, but

846
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: then it was very like to see him on a

847
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: Pizza Roles commercial in like ninety eight was like a

848
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: han dude, but that, yeah, I love what you're saying

849
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: about about that. And then also Birdhouse, like you know,

850
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 3: they sponsored like Heth Kurchard, and he first sponsored Andrew Reynolds,

851
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: who became like his arguably what definitely one of the

852
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 3: most influential street skateboarders. So you know, his continued dedication

853
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: to skateboarding during this really thin time is like kind

854
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: of what allowing to be great again?

855
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think he took out a second

856
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: mortgage on his house to create Birdhouse and yeah ninety

857
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: two like the nature of this of this like skateboarding's

858
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: popularity and.

859
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they would do like they made videos like

860
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: feasters where they you know, it's said of the thing

861
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: like copy this video and give it to friends, like

862
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: you just knew, like we're all we're doing is just

863
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: trying to spread this fucking thing that we're doing.

864
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so this is also so this is when

865
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: he SPN notices. Because of that demographic bulge, they decide

866
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: to create the X Games. They noticed that there was

867
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: a huge, demographically desirable slice of America that wasn't watching

868
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: Sports Center, and so they invest I think ten million

869
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: dollars setting up an X Games event in Rhode Island.

870
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: It drew two hundred thousand spectators, and this gives Tony

871
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: Hawk's biggest platform yet he wins the vert contest and

872
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: quickly kind of becomes the mainstream face of skateboarding. That

873
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: original X Games had bungee jumping as one of the

874
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: as one of the extreme sports. Do they how do

875
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: you compete?

876
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

877
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: Did they also do ziplining and like flipping off into

878
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: a pool like at the end of the zip line.

879
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: Was that also one of the things?

880
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember like the first X Games video

881
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: game that came out on PlayStation had like mountain biking,

882
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: street luge and other stuff at the time, and I.

883
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 6: Was like, streetlug is that like playing down in like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

884
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 6: Like it's going down, yeah, going super fast on the street, and.

885
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: Like that's what skateboarding actually has going forward, is there's

886
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 3: no there's the percentage people that are dedicated to street

887
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: losing is extremely small, but there's always been like a

888
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 3: wide swap of young kids who are like.

889
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: This well, and also skateboard is just using a skateboard

890
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: as a luge anyway, right lay down on your skateboard.

891
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: And also it's just a straightforward recreation of the of

892
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: another sport that is just like going from here to

893
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: there with street luge, whereas like skopboard hill, like you said,

894
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: is like just it's gives you so many different moments

895
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: for art, whether it's like what you're doing with it,

896
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: what's on the skateboard, what you're wearing.

897
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: It's funny too because Christian HUSSOI was gonna be in

898
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: that first X Games, but he was. That was like

899
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: around his legal trouble and he was like, I can't go, dude,

900
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get arrested. And that was supposed to be

901
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: I remember they're like Yo Hawk and Hassoi Bro in

902
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: the these games because it was such a rivalry. But

903
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: it was like a bummer because he was like, yeah, bro,

904
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm on the fucking round, like I got warrants and shit.

905
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: And then shortly after, like you know, he goes to

906
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: jail for like it was supposed to be ten years.

907
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: My whole story is so wild because he really I

908
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: mean whatever, it's a whole other episode, but he really

909
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: was like he was so cool and beautiful and then nothing.

910
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 3: Bob drops out in a way that you know what

911
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: happens to musicians too, but like skateboarding is especially higher

912
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: low fall, it's like you already had like an addictive

913
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: tendency within you, you know, yeah, exactly, he's fine.

914
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Now he's pretty christ Yeah, he's pretty Christian. Good. That's

915
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: what we like to hear. That's what we like to hear.

916
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: Mark me, I'm more into I'm more into Johnny Applesey myself.

917
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: But so this leads to one of the most iconic

918
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: moments of his career, where he lands the first documented

919
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: nine hundred at the nineteen ninety X Games. It's like

920
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: a thing that had not been done to that point.

921
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: He came into the Games not thinking he was going

922
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: to do it, and basically the MC like Dave Duncan

923
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: is like, let's see that nine hundred because he's I

924
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: guess good at television, and Tony Hawk is just like, yeah,

925
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: I'll give it a try, and he really thinks there's

926
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: no way he's going to land it because he had

927
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: stopped trying, like he had tried it for a number

928
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: of years and ended up breaking his rib and was like, well,

929
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: I can't do that anymore, Like now I'm older than

930
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: I was then and I can't land it. And then

931
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: like everybody is cheering for him, he does it. It's

932
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to watch, and I do think it's

933
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: like really like, if you want to understand the essence

934
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: of like what sets him apart, it's that he's willing

935
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: to fail and hurt himself so many times in this video,

936
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: and I think just a willingness like at one point

937
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: he was like I decided like I was either going

938
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: to land this trick or they were going to take

939
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: me away on an ambulance, and like that's something that

940
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: an athlete and another sport would say, and you'd be like, yeah,

941
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: like that's a good turn of phrase, Like that's definitely true.

942
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: Like there are multiple times in his career where he's like, yeah,

943
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: I woke up in an ambulance after that, But he does.

944
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: He does finally lands the trick, and it is a

945
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: really cool in addition to being like an encapsulation of

946
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: what a psycho competitor he is, it's a really cool

947
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 1: encapsulation of something more that you mentioned earlier, which is

948
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: like there is this energy of like even though there

949
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: are these uh you know, rivalries like hawk for a Hussy,

950
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: that people are like really pulling for each other. And

951
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: like when he's attempting this trick, like all the other

952
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: skaters are like they're they're cheering for him. When he

953
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: lands it, they like all like pour onto the halfpipe

954
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: and like are like carrying him around like their team

955
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: just one the NCAA tournament. Like it's fucking cool, and yeah,

956
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: is like everybody's kind of in it for each.

957
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: Other, right for being such an individual thing, it is

958
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: also so much about like the collective too, And like

959
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: because a lot of time when you go skate, like

960
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: you're with your friends skate. Yeah, you know, it's like

961
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: it's not it's individual in that like you're the one skating,

962
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: but it's still it like it straddles those two.

963
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: Things in like a really fun way. Yeah, so I.

964
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 3: Related a little bit to stand up or something else,

965
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: like or like because you go there with your friends,

966
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: you go do the thing, and then you come back

967
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: and you like talk like skater, you all go to

968
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: the ledge together. You if you try to you know,

969
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: by yourself over and over. Then when you land and

970
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: people see how are you struggled? And they're like fuck yeah.

971
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: And in that the the the footage you're talking about,

972
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: even like like Bucky Lasik is doing this thing I've

973
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: never seen where he's basic. I think it's him where

974
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: he's like he looks like he's massaging Tony Hawk's aura.

975
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: Yes, he's doing like a weird like external Yeah it's cool.

976
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the crowd's going insane. So it's and you

977
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 3: see this in lots of sports too, right, It's like yeah,

978
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: once once Jordan and the flow state. It's like everyone's

979
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: all a part of this experience, everyone watching, so everybody's

980
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 3: projecting all of their energy the struck.

981
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: Impossible, right right right? You know, yeah, I do think

982
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: like Jordan. I've compared him to Jordan a few times.

983
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: I think he has like the psycho competitiveness and like

984
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: the he is the Jordan of skateboarding and like when

985
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: he came along and everything. I don't think he quite

986
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: reaches Jordan's level because I feel like if everything that,

987
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: like if Tony Hawk looked like Christian Hassoy, like, I

988
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: feel like, then you have Michael Jordan's but because he's

989
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: not cool like and it's kind of like he is

990
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: cool because he's like around cool stuff and he has

991
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: like good taste, but he's not like inherently naturally just

992
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: like the coolest looking human to ever do the thing.

993
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: Like Jordan, before he started winning championships, was everybody's favorite

994
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: basketball player because it was like an otherworldly, surreal experience

995
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: to watch him do it. And like you could say

996
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: that for Tony Hawk just because of like the sport

997
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: and how crazy it hasn't even never seen somebody do

998
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 1: that before. But he's not the most beautiful skater. Sure,

999
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: at any point in his career, he's just the most.

1000
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: Apperiod in the eighties where he's wearing that neon bone shit,

1001
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 3: where he actually looked he did look kind of cool.

1002
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't look uncool. It's just he's not the

1003
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: coolest looking totally, you know what I.

1004
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 3: Mean, which is why he's not like your skater skater's favorite.

1005
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 3: It's just just the measuring stick is different, like the

1006
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: people that people say, like, you know, I people love Geno.

1007
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: I knew, they love Tom Penny. They're obsessed with Keenan Milton.

1008
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 3: These are all like you know, if you know, I

1009
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: like Jason Dill a lot. If you know these people

1010
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: they are they are profoundly cool. Yes, like they're just

1011
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 3: the cool and their whole you know, they put out

1012
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: video parts, so it's an entire it's like making your

1013
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 3: album or something. So it's like a different measuring stick,

1014
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: which is why it's kind of interesting that it makes

1015
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: sense why he's so beloved and populist because he's easy

1016
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: to understand in a way. He goes hi. He does

1017
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: lots of spin, yes, exactly. The complexity of skateboarding, like

1018
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: you have to do it and study it to really

1019
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: understand like the true, true, true greats. Not that he's

1020
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: not one, but I'm just relating to what you're saying

1021
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: that it's true. He's like he's perfectly marketable and he's great,

1022
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: and he's also.

1023
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: Not like he's really great at it.

1024
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: He's not like it's not quite like Muhammad Ali or something.

1025
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: Right exactly is the other example where he's the coolest looking,

1026
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: just whether you're an expert or whether you're like, like

1027
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: right now, in the NBA, there's a guy named LaMelo

1028
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: Ball who's everybody, everyone's favorite player, who's like under a

1029
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: certain age, and he's so fun to watch, but he

1030
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: doesn't like help like the stats. The analytics guys are like, nah,

1031
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: he's actually like counterproductive to his team, and like it

1032
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: would be like that. That's what Jordan was is he

1033
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: was like both the most effective person at the sport,

1034
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: like Tony Hawk, but he also just looked beautiful to

1035
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: the naked eye. Like watching him do it was like artwork.

1036
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: To a degree that I think is like, yeah, I

1037
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: don't want to spend too much time talking about Dan,

1038
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: but like to a degree that's like almost detrimental because now,

1039
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: like years later you can't even like talk about basketball

1040
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: without like everybody's just like, well, how much does he

1041
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: like seem like Michael Jordan, you know, like with Lebron,

1042
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: you can't talk about Lebron's career like just that having

1043
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: that one person who is like this work of art

1044
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: and also the best to ever do it is just

1045
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: like a thing that almost he, like the culture like

1046
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: has a hard time recovering from.

1047
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: But anyways, Yeah, and I also think it's interesting not

1048
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 3: to bring it back up again, but these are people

1049
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: who are often driven by some kind of like darkness,

1050
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: and I wonder what that says about the culture and

1051
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: what it does to us that the people we that

1052
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 3: we like you said, Tony Hawk do that has four wives.

1053
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to like hate everybody's you know what

1054
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 3: I mean, This is going to come out in some way.

1055
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're the most productive drug addicts ever

1056
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 2: and just they just didn't do drugs. They just found

1057
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: a sport drug that they've just dedicated themselves to. And

1058
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 2: that's constructive.

1059
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1060
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: The other way is like you're just gonna make your

1061
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: life about something that could fucking destroy you.

1062
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, like that right, same urge to keep doing it. Yeah,

1063
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: I think most WTF episodes are like in some way

1064
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: about addiction, and uh, you get the feeling that Mark

1065
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: Maron like walks away from that episode being like, yeah,

1066
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: that guy's a really that guy's still an addict, Like

1067
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: that guy's fucked up, and it.

1068
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: Talks about it at the end of the documentary. I'm

1069
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: sure you'll get to or there like those dudes are

1070
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 3: gonna Lance Mountain like tour the whole muscle at his arm,

1071
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: trying to do like a hand plant because he's fifty

1072
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: mount he's climbing that mountain. But okay, so this is

1073
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: when Tony Hawk's pro skater happens. Like I said, he's

1074
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 3: very involved in the process. They would like they created

1075
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 3: a small development team of about a dozen people. Shouldn't

1076
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 3: seem so fucking crazy, but they're just like, all right,

1077
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: here are a dozen of our best developers. Tony Hawk,

1078
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: your name's on it.

1079
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: And you also, like know what it feels like to

1080
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: skate more than anybody to skate like this. And then

1081
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: they just are like, take a year, here's the game.

1082
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: What do you think. Okay, here's the new version of

1083
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: the game. What do you think bring in other skaters.

1084
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: What do they think? He like, come by the studio

1085
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: and hang out and we'll talk about the game, Like

1086
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: what do you think, what do you think it should

1087
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: sound like as somebody who's been two more skate parks

1088
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: than anybody else, Like what songs should we get? And

1089
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: then like he's like, oh, yeah, well I know all

1090
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: these bands because I'm very famous, and so they like

1091
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: get a really sick soundtrack. He brings in a bunch

1092
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: of skaters, and like for the first couple games, they

1093
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: get royalties. I don't know what happens after that, but

1094
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: it sells, Like they think it's going to sell five

1095
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: hundred seven hundred thousand copies. That's what they have it

1096
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: as like the Ideal Projection. They sold seven million of

1097
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: the first game. The sequel sold more than six point

1098
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: five million copies within three years of release. Like when

1099
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: the fourth game was released, the first three games were

1100
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: still in the top ten of sales, Like it was

1101
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: just like that popular. And he's this is when he

1102
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: just like starts making crazy money. Like he comes to

1103
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: Activision and so Activision tries to buy it. This is

1104
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: like one part where his good business sense is like

1105
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of cool. It is like Activisions, like, what do

1106
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: you say we just give you five hundred k and

1107
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: call it even like at the outset, and he's like,

1108
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: I just because of his previous experience with collecting royalties

1109
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: and stuff, he was like, I would rather like get

1110
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: a piece of the money, well for NonStop money, Yeah.

1111
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like I'd rather beat money if I could.

1112
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And so he like cut. He comes back

1113
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: to Activision for like a development meeting for one of

1114
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: the sequel games, and they hand him a check for

1115
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: four point five million dollars, so like that's how well

1116
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: this game is selling. Later he gets an advance of

1117
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars. This does feel like one of those

1118
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: things where everybody reports it as like holy shit, do

1119
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: you believe how rich Tony Hawk got off of this?

1120
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: But it reminds me of like when people are like

1121
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: these athletes are overpaid, and it's like, actually, technically they're

1122
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: wildly underpaid. That like, I like he made a lot

1123
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: of money on these games, but like his involvement in

1124
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he's the face of it. Like I

1125
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: think if you took a step back and like asked

1126
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: somebody who actually understands like branding and marketing. They would

1127
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: admit that he's like vastly underpaid for these games.

1128
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, compared to what it made. And that's that's cool.

1129
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: It beautifully speaks to how how well something can be

1130
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: produced when you give it time and energy and hire

1131
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: the right people that allow it to cook.

1132
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1133
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like it pays off in the end, as

1134
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: opposed to being like, got to make it now, got

1135
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 3: to get it out now. It's like nobody's going to

1136
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: care about that in two years.

1137
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: And they're like coasting off of that initial good decision.

1138
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: But you know, most corporate culture creators have not learned

1139
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: anything from it. You know, he is a self admitted sellout.

1140
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: At a certain point in the nineties, his business cards

1141
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: for Birdhouse listed his title as media whore. He has

1142
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: worked with Bagel, Bites, McDonald's, Jeep, Hershey's Chocolate Milk, Target,

1143
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: Kellogg's Frosted Flakes, t Mobile, Diesel, Swatch, Mattel, the Gap,

1144
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: Like he's done so and this is like my least

1145
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: favorite part of him is like he's like it's actually cool. Now.

1146
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: People are much more accepting. They're like, hey, good for

1147
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: you that you got that subway commercial. There will always

1148
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: be people who have this other sense of morality and

1149
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: they're like, you're working for the man and globalization or

1150
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 1: whatever else they're coming up with, but that's their view.

1151
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: It's just like, I don't know, to call it globalization

1152
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: or whatever else they're coming up with. Is like, come on, man,

1153
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: like maybe somebody just needs to have a meeting with

1154
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: him and being like they're actually fucking you on that

1155
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: Tony Hawk man. But it just feels it feels like

1156
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: a missed opportunity, as it does with like Michael Jordan,

1157
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: like that they could have been a force for cooler impulses.

1158
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: But again, they're coming up at a time when everybody

1159
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: was kind of selling out. They're also coming up, though,

1160
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: at a time when it was like the concept of

1161
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: selling out was actually a thing. Yeah right, he's doing it.

1162
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: It's like, well that was like fifteen years ago when

1163
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: we were really talking about sellout shit, because look at

1164
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: all this fucking.

1165
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: What the am I supposed to do? Now? Yeah?

1166
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah man? And it's I mean, that's why the comparison

1167
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 3: to Muhammad Ali right to me, that's the that's the

1168
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: difference is that Muhammad Alist is such like beautiful, important

1169
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: things across the board that like fully transcend its.

1170
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, just deeply, deeply cool person like on every level.

1171
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm you know what I mean, like changing his name

1172
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: to Mohammed in the you can do that now and

1173
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: get killed for that shit, right right yeah, and saying

1174
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: no to you know whatever where it's like, now we

1175
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 3: need Bruce Springsteen to come out and make this, you know,

1176
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: this song about Minneapolis because there seems to be very

1177
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 3: few people in like the popular landscape who are willing

1178
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: to come out and talk speak against that stuff.

1179
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, and I think too, especially at that time,

1180
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: he was saying he was beginning to inject concepts into

1181
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: popular culture that people were not discussing.

1182
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: Because when they're like.

1183
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: Cash Iss, why did you change your name and he's like,

1184
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: that's my fucking slave name.

1185
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people were like, oh, oh, I don't I

1186
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: don't like it.

1187
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 3: I don't like it.

1188
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: What do you mean? You know?

1189
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: Because that name was given by white slavers, So I

1190
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: am actually doing you know. Obviously he was getting involved

1191
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: with Elijah Muhammad and all that, but like that saying

1192
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: that was just so fucking wild at the time too,

1193
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: because people were like, especially because that was being discussed

1194
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: obviously around black people. But to have someone with that

1195
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: kind of platform then articulate to be like the greatest

1196
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: fighter just changed his name and he's like, let me

1197
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: just put a spotlight on slavery and civil rights now.

1198
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,479
Speaker 1: Also was just again yeah and wildly unpopular at the time.

1199
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: By the way, it's the same way that we are now,

1200
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: Like reccon So Martin Luther King Junior is just a

1201
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: voice of like every everybody getting along and being nice

1202
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: to each other, Like they've retcon Muhammad Ali, but they

1203
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: were despised when they were alive.

1204
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 3: Hey did by the same large group of people that

1205
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 3: hate the newer progressives and like and the way he

1206
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: just even coming up and saying like I know, you

1207
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 3: know he was in professional wrestling, right, but just saying

1208
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm so pretty. Like to come in with that level

1209
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 3: of confidence to be like this is beautiful is saying like, yeah,

1210
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: we're we're all beautiful.

1211
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Just a couple of things from his film

1212
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: and TV career before we get to his very clear death.

1213
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: Wish So nineteen eighty seventh Police Academy for Citizens on

1214
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: Patrol was his first job on a movie set. Do

1215
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: you guys remember David Spade's character like was a skate

1216
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: Jason Lee. Jason Lee's also one of those skateboarders too. Yeah,

1217
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 1: And David Spade came in and was like, I could

1218
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: actually do all these tricks, and then it was working out.

1219
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: He almost killed himself, and so they brought in like

1220
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: people from the Bones Brigade, and unfortunately, like midway through filming,

1221
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: he like grew three and just like he showed up

1222
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: on set and they're like, whoa Tony Hawk did? Yeah?

1223
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it look like Spade anymore.

1224
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they fired him and replaced him with Chris Miller.

1225
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: And one thing they say about like all the stunt

1226
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: work they do, He's done a ton of stunt work.

1227
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: He's doubled for Will Ferrell on Daddy's Home. They say

1228
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: that they act really nervous to do a stunt, and

1229
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: like they noticed that that gets more money. So they're like, oh,

1230
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can pull this one off.

1231
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: Easy one. Wait, he stunt doubled for Will Ferrell in

1232
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: Daddy's Home.

1233
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a crazy sequence on a like on a

1234
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 3: half pike.

1235
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I thought just generally he's like, yeah,

1236
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm Will Ferrell's stunt doubled too for any dynamic.

1237
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: Okay, he just stands in for him during when they're

1238
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 1: getting this out there, I'm getting them. He actually got

1239
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: injured and had to get stitches on doing on Daddy's home.

1240
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: He has a Simpsons episode made about him, which she's

1241
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: very happy about. During the filming for a two thousand

1242
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: and six episode of the MTV show Wild Boys, Tony

1243
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: Hawk almost died. They they're like skating this loop, like

1244
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, a fucking roller coaster loop, and the track

1245
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: is just like not in good shape, and so he

1246
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: gets to the top of this loop and just like

1247
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: stops and falls fourteen feet onto his face and upside

1248
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: down like breaks his skull and like you can see it,

1249
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: like he like sits up. He has no idea where

1250
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: he is. It's fucking horrifying, and like he broke his pelvis.

1251
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: He couldn't skate for like a long time, but he's

1252
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: like had other shit like that. There's like footage of him,

1253
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: like they do like a reunion thing for one of

1254
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: the early skate videos where they're like wearing the same

1255
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: clothes and shit.

1256
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: Animal hit. It's an animal chin they're trying to recreate.

1257
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: And like there it's fun and everybody's having a good time,

1258
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: and like the other older skaters, they'll like try something

1259
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: and then immediately bail and like you know, land safely,

1260
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: and he just like eat shit and like smashes his

1261
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: head and like has no idea where he is and

1262
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: everyone's just like like this is bad. So this brings

1263
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: us to like I did come away from the documentary

1264
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: being like, we better get this up before he died,

1265
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: because it's like his inability to quit and determination does

1266
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: not do a body good. So in addition to losing

1267
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: total use of his eyebrows, he's not able to turn

1268
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: his head in either direction. Like Michael Keaton's Batman suit.

1269
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: The Jackets thing is just like crazy harrowing though, and

1270
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: he still takes these massive falls and it just the

1271
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: other guys from his crew are like some of them

1272
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: are like, we need to stage an intervention for Tony,

1273
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: and then the other one's like, oh, yeah, we're gonna

1274
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: die on our skateboards right, like that's just what's going

1275
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: to happen. We just can't stop.

1276
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. I find that interesting this because I do think

1277
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 3: this happens where like when you get into like really

1278
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 3: intense physical experiences it. It serves as like spiritual release.

1279
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: So like they talk about this in the Beauting the

1280
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: documentary too, like he's so angry and then he lands

1281
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 3: something and it's like all the weight is lifted off

1282
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: his shoulders and it's like if you got my opinion is,

1283
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 3: if you don't develop other ways to experience, yeah, then

1284
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: you can't let that go, especially like the longer you

1285
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: do it.

1286
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah right, right, right, And.

1287
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 3: There's something beautiful about it, and there's something scary.

1288
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 2: And said, yeah, tragic for sure, because yeah, it's like

1289
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: you're you're attracted to this thing, you know.

1290
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: Did they say the thing? It's like, well, he died

1291
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,959
Speaker 1: doing what he loved best, right, yeah.

1292
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 3: You're like, well he also could have lived and like

1293
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 3: hung out with his grandkids, right yeah, yeah.

1294
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: I could have done that.

1295
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, grandkids. Speaking of which, just a fucking icon

1297
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: like a icon Legacy Dynasty Icon crossover. His son, Riley,

1298
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: is a pro skater who is married to Francis Bean Cobain,

1299
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: daughter of Kirk Courtney Love, and they have a son,

1300
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: and so Tony Hawk's grandson is.

1301
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: Like is part his partner Vanna, part whole part of

1302
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: Tony Hawk pro skater.

1303
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that will nineties will take us all down at

1304
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: some point.

1305
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 3: Well, it's fascinating with Riley too, because he was very

1306
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 3: much part of that. He was part of the Shep

1307
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 3: Dog's Crew, which is like this very like seventy style

1308
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 3: stoner rock kids, like covered in tats before that was

1309
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: really cool, long hair, tight.

1310
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 5: Jeans, so he he looks like click back hair, no

1311
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 5: real piece of sh A little bit looked like that,

1312
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 5: like like see like camaro burnouts basically, so he looks

1313
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 5: a little He's been dressing a little bit more.

1314
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, mature now or something. But it's interesting

1315
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 3: because I can see why with her like rock legacy,

1316
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 3: that it almost makes sense that they would end up together.

1317
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1318
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 3: Like he again looked like a rock started right.

1319
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, just broken in the same way, like a very

1320
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: specific way that like only you have experience with.

1321
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

1322
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: My best friend is like also has a basketball coach

1323
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: for their dad, Like their dad's also a basketball coach.

1324
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: It's just like there's something about having somebody else who's

1325
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: like gone through a very weirdly specific thing that's just

1326
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, right right right, the one person that you

1327
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: can like kind of talk to about that. All right,

1328
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: that's been Tony Hawk more anything you want to hit

1329
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: before we get out of.

1330
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 3: Here about the hawk Man, Uh no, yeah, much, many

1331
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,839
Speaker 3: blessings and you know, continue good health for the Hawkman.

1332
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you really, you really hope so. And there

1333
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: are like some interviews where he's like, I can't do

1334
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: the stuff that I used to do, but yeah, I

1335
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: don't know.

1336
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 3: If you're if you're into docs about skateboarding, there's an

1337
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 3: interesting one about how Tas Papas thinks that they sidelined

1338
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 3: him intentionally so that Tony Hawk could make the nine hundred.

1339
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 3: It's like a conspiracy. He'd been trying he'd been trying

1340
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 3: the nine hundred plays.

1341
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: Where it's like, was Tony Hawk the first one for

1342
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: the nine hundred?

1343
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: Like right, or like using that to sort of be like, well,

1344
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, like what are we saying?

1345
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 3: And with like the loop thing too, you know, he

1346
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 3: does the loop in bird Houses the End, which is

1347
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: a pretty influential video for bird House around the time

1348
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 3: it started getting popular again, and like supposedly way Peters

1349
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: did like some kind of loop thing earlier, but yeah,

1350
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 3: he does that stuff. He's again a brilliant mind. Of

1351
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 3: like this will be iconic.

1352
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, I will do this.

1353
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 3: Thing that is extremely hard and it will, you know,

1354
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 3: like they say about whatever, like there are certain rappers

1355
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 3: who are great at creating moments, Like he's really good

1356
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 3: at being a part of these moments, you know, right.

1357
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1358
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say is like, I think that's

1359
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 2: just really outside of Tony Hawk, but skateboarding, because I

1360
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,440
Speaker 2: think the skateboarding is what makes Tony Hawk, and skateboarding

1361
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: is just so fucking huge that it has such effects

1362
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: on every part of culture, like especially now and like

1363
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: all streetwear, like fashion, so eighty percent of that is

1364
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: taking its roots from skateboard culture. And like you think

1365
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: of brands like Supreme or Palace or these are skateboard

1366
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: teams too, they start off with that and that just

1367
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: ends up informing all these other things. And I have

1368
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 2: a bit of a bias growing up in southern California,

1369
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 2: but it just feels like such this like powerful tool

1370
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 2: that anyone can access that it feels like without that,

1371
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's like saying there's without without basketball,

1372
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: there's no Michael Jordan. But it's there's just something about

1373
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: skateboarding that I think is just so special and anyone

1374
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: can really get into it. Because again with Tony Hawk's

1375
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: pro skater, so many kids I knew started being like,

1376
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: oh shit, now I like skateboarding, and now I'm going

1377
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: to start watching skate videos and now I'm going to

1378
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 2: try skateboarding. And one thing I'll say is for people

1379
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: who have never seen a skate video, you gotta watch them.

1380
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: They're great, great, they're great watches and if you want one,

1381
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 2: I always tell people to watch probably like yeah, right,

1382
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: the girl video that Spike Jones directed, because that's like

1383
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,759
Speaker 2: the most like truly breaks the form from skateboard videos

1384
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: that had come before it because you have like a

1385
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: like an just established film director in Spike Jones doing

1386
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: stuff with like compute like CG that is a super fun.

1387
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: He also, you know, helped grow the skate video and

1388
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: skate comunity into a jackass too, Spike Jones, so like

1389
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: there's totally yea, his impact is huge, Like we could

1390
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: spend the whole day it's like.

1391
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: Clos It's like you don't have clothes, you don't have jackass,

1392
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but it's like it's so much about

1393
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: grows out of the heyday of streets.

1394
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 3: I think that has to do with the fact a

1395
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 3: couple of things, like how influential is Like, like I said,

1396
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 3: the skateboarders do tend to be very art minded, so

1397
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 3: they express themselves in a lot of different ways, and

1398
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 3: clothes are a part of the activity. And they're also

1399
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 3: like in the streets literally, so they're seeing so much

1400
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,879
Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, so it's this experience of like adopting

1401
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. Yeah, I think you figure I

1402
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 3: would go. There's this guy named Dylan Reader who passed away.

1403
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 3: I forget how he was twenty eight or twenty nine,

1404
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 3: but he was like the James Dean of skateboarding, like

1405
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 3: truly a model and like beautiful guy and like incredible

1406
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 3: power and style and uh yeah, go go watch the

1407
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 3: Dylan Reader Gravis part.

1408
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1409
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: Also watch the Bails sequence in Toy Machines Welcome to Hell.

1410
01:13:54,360 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 3: Don't watch that more.

1411
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you? All that good stuff?

1412
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah at mort Burke. Although currently my Instagram account is cooked,

1413
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 3: so Instagram hit me up figure out what's going on

1414
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 3: my account?

1415
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: Wait, what happened?

1416
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 3: I had a friend I was going to have a

1417
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 3: My co producer of Rebrand. The podcast is going to

1418
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 3: help me with my social media. She tried to sign

1419
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 3: in where she lives in England and now the account

1420
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 3: doesn't work. I don't know.

1421
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: Oh, can't be having that? No be a spy?

1422
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, damn, well, thank you. I'm publishing a book

1423
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 3: on substack right now. It's called Treehouse and it's about

1424
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 3: I'm calling it a psychedelic fiction novel about a road trip,

1425
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 3: skateboarding and alcoholism. So if you just look up Morton

1426
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 3: Edmund Burke on substack you'll find that. And also I

1427
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 3: got a release date for my special. It's coming out

1428
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 3: February twenty second. It's called There's Beauty in It All?

1429
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 1: Hell? Yeah, man, Okay, that's great. Sounds like you're up

1430
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: to a lot of cool shit. All right, Miles, anything

1431
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: that no anywhere where can people find?

1432
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 2: I'm nobody? All right, I don't have nothing. I don't

1433
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 2: gotten nothing. Hey, just uh, ain'tfty. If you like soccer,

1434
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 2: you want to hear me talk passionately and be unhinged

1435
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: about the sport I love.

1436
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: Then to check out anafuty. It's great. Chris Martin, Jamel

1437
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: Johnson for screaming all right, Uh, that's going to do

1438
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: it for this part. We're going to be back in

1439
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: a moment to tell you about the stuff I missed

1440
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: and didn't have time to get to in the notebook though,

1441
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you all Dight, all right,

1442
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: that was our episode. This is the No No notebook dump,

1443
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: where I discussed stuff from my notes that I didn't

1444
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: get to in the conversation. As was demonstrated with the

1445
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: soundtrack of Tony Hawk pro Skater, he does seem to

1446
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: have good taste sometimes, and I'd say that extends even

1447
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: to his weird rich person purchases. This is a category

1448
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: of purchase like Nick Cage blew his fortune on dinosaur

1449
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: skeletons and like haunted mansions and weird rich person purchases

1450
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: Elvis collected suits of armor, experimental cars, a monkey. As

1451
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned in the notebook dump on the Dolly episode,

1452
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: I kind of like Tony Hawk's weird rich guy purchases,

1453
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: like he owns one of the figures from the Nightmare

1454
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: Before Christmas, the guy with the hatchet in his head Behemoth,

1455
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: and he owns a poyos Hermanos poyos Hermanos bucket from

1456
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad So not Bad. Those those are things that

1457
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: would be cool to own to his role as an

1458
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: ambassador to skating, kind of always on the job, to

1459
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: the point that in twenty eighteen, the Unicode Consortium, the

1460
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: people who develop emojis, released an image of their proposed

1461
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: design for the skateboard emoji, and Tony Hawk was like, hey, guys,

1462
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: looks like shit. Try harder, And they actually listened and

1463
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: worked with him to get a good skateboard emoji design.

1464
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: And then finally kind of a big pop culture what

1465
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: if that comes up in his book, he was very

1466
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: close to starring in a sequel to Space Jam in

1467
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. From his book, In two thousand

1468
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: and three, I got asked to star in a follow

1469
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: up to the Warner Brothers hit movie Space Jam. This

1470
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: one would be titled Skate Jam. They set up storyboards

1471
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: and even had cartoon voice actors read lines from proposed

1472
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: scenes at the during the pitch process, I get. I

1473
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: guess when it came time to have our last big

1474
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: meeting to finalize the deal. I was already scheduled to

1475
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: fly from LA to Australia's so they met. So they

1476
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: met me for dinner at that big towertop restaurant at Lax.

1477
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: Everyone including the WB contingent was giddy with optimism. They

1478
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: had the whole story fleshed out, and I liked what

1479
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 1: I heard. When the meal ended and we all shook hands,

1480
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: everyone was confident that we had the green light. As

1481
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: my agent walked with me toward the terminal, he claimed

1482
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: that the studio planned to offer me at least one

1483
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: million dollars. I laughed all the way to Australia. I

1484
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: like to picture that him, just laughing like a maniac

1485
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: for the entirety of like a seventeen hour flight. Unfortunately,

1486
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: the final decision hinged on the success of another semi

1487
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: sequel to Space Jam called Back in Action, which turned

1488
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: out to be a relative flop. I never even received

1489
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:49,839
Speaker 1: a follow up call. This is the experience of working

1490
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, even back when it existed. Back in Action.

1491
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: The movie that they were using his proof of concept

1492
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:02,879
Speaker 1: for a Space Jam sequel is a it's a nothing premise.

1493
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,440
Speaker 1: It's it's the Looney Tunes teamed up with Brendan Fraser

1494
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: and Jenna Elfman. That's that's not a sequel to Space Jam.

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Speaker 1: There's like nothing, there's nothing interesting about it. But they

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Speaker 1: were just like, let's see how this nothing premise one

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Speaker 1: that's a bad idea does before we decide if we

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Speaker 1: should make the one that's actually a good idea. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I feel like skate Jam could have been

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Speaker 1: a hit. You know, the mind blowing experience of watching

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Speaker 1: somebody do impossible things on skateboards mixed with cartoons. It

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Speaker 1: feels right, feels like it makes sense that they were like, nah, people,

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Speaker 1: people didn't want to see Jenna Elfman, All right, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. Thanks to more Berke and Miles than

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Speaker 1: Brian the editor as always, and Meredith Danko, new researcher

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Speaker 1: just dropped, did an awesome job on this one. We're

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Speaker 1: back next week with another fictional character. We've of course

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Speaker 1: done Oracle, Miss Piggy Santa, depending on what you believe

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Speaker 1: if Santa's fictional, and next week we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: most popular fictional human in the history of pop culture,

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Speaker 1: the one who's appeared in the most films, and also

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Speaker 1: the fictional character who might have just had a terrible

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Speaker 1: impact on the real world. As we'll get into I'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you guys then bye bye,