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Speaker 1: Friday morning podcast. We're gonna do fake questions, real answers,

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Speaker 1: we interview our guest. And if you've watched my show

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Speaker 1: or you love podcasts, Matt Barnes needs very little introduction.

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Speaker 1: All the Smoke is the best sports podcast out there,

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Speaker 1: along with the Draymond Green podcast on the volume. I

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Speaker 1: just want to say that right now. It's raw, it's authentic.

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Speaker 1: Matt's always been a real straight shooter, and I think

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Speaker 1: you guys also know that I love Steven Jackson, so

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Speaker 1: it's a real pleasure he's a busy guy. He didn't

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Speaker 1: have to do this. But I mean, you know this,

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Speaker 1: you know the West, you know the Warriors. That when

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, Matt, watching this game tonight, I thought,

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Speaker 1: the way they cut and move, is it a staff thing?

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Speaker 1: Because usually in sports, Matt, when something's great, people duplicate it,

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Speaker 1: they rip it off. Nobody looks like the Warriors, Nobody

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Speaker 1: moves like the Warriors, nobody cuts like the Warriors. And

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Speaker 1: I come back to, well, shit, it just must be staff,

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Speaker 1: or is it I? In fact, the only times they

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Speaker 1: have problems is when they stop moving. They had a

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Speaker 1: thirteen nothing Dallas run. When they're moving, it's just impenetrable.

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Speaker 1: It's is it just Steph? No. I definitely think it's

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Speaker 1: a team thing. You know, when I was there, it

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Speaker 1: was constant movement and you're so worried about the three

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Speaker 1: point shot. That that's how they're so effective in the

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Speaker 1: paint because you always have to you know, hedge on

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Speaker 1: these screens or if Claire stuff are coming off, you know,

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Speaker 1: show or double team, and they get so many slips.

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Speaker 1: But you know, call's interesting to me in a day

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Speaker 1: everyone wants to go one on one and do what

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Speaker 1: they do. The Warriors are the exact opposite. You know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the clock, you know, normally, if

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Speaker 1: you look at Dallas, you know, you know the ball

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Speaker 1: is going to be in Luca's hands when they call.

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Speaker 1: You know, when they call red red is you know

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Speaker 1: one hundred five seconds, you gotta go with the Warriors.

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Speaker 1: They continue to move and get a good shot, even

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Speaker 1: if it's with like point six on the clock, They'll

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Speaker 1: what makes them so scary. All the Steph can go

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Speaker 1: it's just almost like pick your poison. Note to think

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Speaker 1: in a closeout game and they won by double digits.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not another team they can have their

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Speaker 1: in a closeout game in the Western Conference Finals. Coming

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Speaker 1: off an injury is really hard. I never had. The

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Speaker 1: Matt if you look at his offensive game, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: When Colin Kaepernick was great, I didn't find him that interesting.

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Speaker 1: Now he's been gone five years and the last time

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Speaker 1: he played he completed fifty nine percent throws and had

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Speaker 1: a passer rating suboptimal through for one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: five yards a game. If you left any industry for

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Speaker 1: five years and weren't great in it when you left,

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Speaker 1: I don't have high hopes he'll be sort of a

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Speaker 1: often talked about, perhaps controversial backup. I think most coaches

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Speaker 1: would prefer not to have Tebow, Baker, cam Manzil Kaepernick

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Speaker 1: his backups. But kids are easily outraged and bothered. I

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Speaker 1: find the people outraged by Colin Kaepernick five years later, frankly,

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Speaker 1: to be juvenile. He's not that interesting and I don't

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Speaker 1: feel he's controversial. The media or was self indulgent will

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Speaker 1: probably make him that. Dear Colin, what do you make

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Speaker 1: of the surprising influx of bets for Trey Lance to

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Speaker 1: win the NFL's MVP. He's gone from two hundred to

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Speaker 1: one to sixty one. Well, sixty to one, in my book,

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Speaker 1: is still a long shot, but I think it tells

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Speaker 1: you that Kyle Shanahan is the most respected offensive coach

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Speaker 1: in the game. Think about this. He beat Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: with Nick Mullins. Not only did Nick Mullins and Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan beat Aaron Donald and the Rams defense, he went

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Speaker 1: twenty four of twenty five in that game two years

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Speaker 1: ago with again, I'll repeat Nick Mullins. Kyle Shanahan made

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Speaker 1: Matt shab a pro bowler, not only a pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the year he had of the Texans.

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Speaker 1: He threw for nearly five thousand yards. He had a

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Speaker 1: ninety nine passer rating. He had twenty nine touchdowns. It's

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Speaker 1: Matt shob So people look at Kyle Shanahan and if

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance, who had a finger issue last year, in fairness,

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Speaker 1: if he can get into the sixty three to sixty

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Speaker 1: four percent completion rate, he's going to be successful. The

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Speaker 1: team will be successful. The team will be a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: My guess is it'll be a good story, which always

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Speaker 1: helps in Most Valuable Player voting in any league. Dear Colin,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of Lane Kiffin, old miss football

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Speaker 1: coach saying college football players, Now, it's a professional sport

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Speaker 1: and they're professional players. What I make of it is, well,

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Speaker 1: he's right, if you're paid, you're a professional. I always

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Speaker 1: hear this about the nil, the name, image, likeness business.

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Speaker 1: It is not sustainable. I laugh at that. I've been

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Speaker 1: told my entire life that if you keep gouging fans,

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Speaker 1: eventually they will not show up. This is not sustainable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they keep showing up. It's eighteen dollars now for a

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Speaker 1: Heineken at most stadiums. Colin, the American economy, the American economy,

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Speaker 1: Colin cannot withstand a billion dollar debt. It is not sustainable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now it's like twelve trillion, and it keeps on rolling.

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Speaker 1: I've been hearing for years. These television networks cannot keep

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Speaker 1: spending this level of money with these leagues. Networks now

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Speaker 1: even pay for hockey, and nobody watches hockey. Folks, some

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Speaker 1: people are just rigid. Some people struggle to adapt and evolve.

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Speaker 1: You keep telling me things aren't sustainable. They are. Lane

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Speaker 1: Kiffin nailed it. There'll be seven to eight teams at

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Speaker 1: the top of the college football food chain, Ohio State, Bama,

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Speaker 1: you can figure them out. There'll be another twenty that

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Speaker 1: get to bowl games, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State. They'll be fine,

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Speaker 1: and then they'll be the rest of college football. You know,

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Speaker 1: programs like air Force and Georgia Tech and Oregon State.

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Speaker 1: They've never been great. Those programs are rarely relevant and

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Speaker 1: they'll remain mostly irrelevant. Stop telling me things aren't sustainable.

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Speaker 1: What was unsustainable was the pet rock paying forty bucks

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Speaker 1: for a rock from day one? That didn't feel sustainable.

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin, would the success of the Celtics, the success

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Speaker 1: of the Warriors, Mavericks, the heat? Is it fair to

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Speaker 1: say the NBA's super team era is officially over all. Right,

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Speaker 1: let's adopt a new rule in society, nothing ever truly dies,

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Speaker 1: and everything is cyclical. Right now, hard work, playing defense,

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Speaker 1: being coachable like nineteen seventies, NBA is working. But if

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Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell went to the Dallas Mavericks to join Luca,

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Speaker 1: you would have two stars. They would end up at

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Speaker 1: minimum in the Western Conference finals, and suddenly the star

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Speaker 1: era would be the envy. Here's what I know it

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Speaker 1: record companies in movies. In sports, stars like to play

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Speaker 1: with stars. You think Jason Tatum would really mind another

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Speaker 1: star coming to the Celtics if it meant four and

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Speaker 1: five titles. You think Luca wants to have to have

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Speaker 1: the ball in his hands for forty seven minutes a

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Speaker 1: night the rest of his career. It's hard to get

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Speaker 1: those stars because the true stars are rarely on the

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Speaker 1: market right now. In college football, it's a little unwieldy

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Speaker 1: with the nil everything is cyclical. Some boosters will start

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Speaker 1: overpaying for players, the players won't deliver, and donors will

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Speaker 1: pull back. Years and years ago, they said game shows

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Speaker 1: are dead. Let's go back to our rule. Nothing dies.

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Speaker 1: Everything is cyclical. Shortly after they made that announcement, Who

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Speaker 1: Wants to Be a Millionaire burst on the scene and

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Speaker 1: it became not just successful, the number one television show

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Speaker 1: in America. Streaming was hot. Now it's crashed. It'll be back.

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Speaker 1: People like television on demand. We like on rainy days

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Speaker 1: or when we have the flu binging on television once again.

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Speaker 1: Nothing dies, Everything cyclical. Dear Colin, what do you make

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Speaker 1: of the reports that Kevin Durant hasn't spoken to the

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets. Well, I rarely talk to my bosses, either

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Speaker 1: outside of my producer Andrew Sampson, and my wife Ann

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Speaker 1: and occasionally my children. I don't really talk to anybody

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Speaker 1: that frequently. I mean, my wife leaves me for three

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Speaker 1: times a year for a month. It's healthy. I think

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Speaker 1: if you're a well run company or an excellent relationship,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to talk that frequently. I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest. When you hear the report, would you be

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Speaker 1: more satisfied if this had taken place? Ring ring, Hi,

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Speaker 1: It's Kevin Durant. Hello, Kevin, It's Steve nashtar coach, Hey, coach,

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Speaker 1: what's up? I don't know. I had nachos tonight. What

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Speaker 1: are you doing. I'm in the Bahamas vacationing after a

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Speaker 1: first round playoff exit. Yeah, that was a real bummer

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Speaker 1: kad silence on both ends. Okay, coach, well I'm gonna go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: star player, I'm gonna go to click. Really, it'd be

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Speaker 1: a healthier relationship, folks. If you have to call people

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Speaker 1: all the time, not only are you freaking needy, but

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Speaker 1: you're not in a healthy relationship. My takeaway is the

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets have talked to Katie probably, but they want

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Speaker 1: to give him deniability that they haven't talked. So if

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Speaker 1: they trade Kyrie Irving or don't renew Kyrie Irving or

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Speaker 1: extend his contract, Kevin Durant can say, hey, I haven't

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Speaker 1: talked to the franchise. I didn't know anything about it.

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Speaker 1: But get off the phone. Stop calling people all the

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