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Speaker 1: by Dave Seminette. You prefer Seminett, I prefer Siminette. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who are many among many other things? You have your

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Speaker 1: by Turtles. Yeah about sums it up? Yeah, let's say

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Speaker 1: you did it. You were gonna sum it up. How

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Speaker 1: do you like when you're like sitting there talking to someone,

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Speaker 1: you know. But Trampled by Turtles is, you know, my

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Speaker 1: And then um, you know, all of us in that

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Speaker 1: but most of it's trampled by turtles. I got a

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Speaker 1: cautionary tale for you. Okay, there has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about your fishing trip this weekend and

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Speaker 1: like why you're in talent and stuff. I was at

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Speaker 1: U S? I want to hear about what's going on

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Speaker 1: with you and this dog and the raccoons. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: our buddy finally got some raccoons. It's been tough raccoon trapping, um,

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Speaker 1: With all your raccoon hides because they're only worth a

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Speaker 1: everybody raccoon hats for Christmas. You're gonna go against try

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Speaker 1: You wanna watch how easily I could bring something full circle,

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to yet. Uh watch this Dave.

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Speaker 1: Our guest was born in Germany, and you know what

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Speaker 1: It's like UFC for hunting. They'd fight it they'd fight

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Speaker 1: But there's a certain brutality to it. Man, Like you've

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Speaker 1: I it wasn't really that long. I mean, I so

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Speaker 1: two years ago. Now this followed me two years I

425
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: went pheasant hunting for my first time, right, And that

426
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: came about because there's uh at this outdoor radio program

427
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: on the sports talk radio station in Minneapolis. Right, it's

428
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: called Fan Outdoors on every Saturday and Saturday mornings. At

429
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: my house, I was just had it on and become

430
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: kind of a fan, and uh at one one episode

431
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: they played some of our music and they subsequently reached

432
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: out to me and asked if I'd ever want to

433
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: be on the show. And so I did that. Um.

434
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: And during that process they asked if I'd ever want

435
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: to give pheasant hunting a try. And I mean, I

436
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: grew up fishing and I was about it and camping

437
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: and but I never thought one way or the other

438
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: of hunting, and so I agreed to do it. Um.

439
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: And it was the two gentlemen that took me out.

440
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: Um Bob st Pierre, who's one of the guys at Peasants. Yeah, no,

441
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: I know him, well, yeah, um, he's a he's a

442
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: one of the hosts of the radio show. And uh

443
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: um Billy Hilderbrand, who was a retired tournament bass fisherman

444
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: and teacher or whatever. But they took me up to

445
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: Billy's cabin in in central western Minnesota, kind of on

446
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: the eastern edge of the prairie a little bit and

447
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: had an amazing first pheasant hunt. You know, we had

448
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: birds everywhere I got. I was able to take a

449
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: couple of shots and it. Um. I was completely hooked

450
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: after that first once. So since then get one I did. Yeah. Yeah,

451
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: And I've been a few other times since and then

452
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: have now gone up for grouse and woodcock a couple

453
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: of times each and all through pretty much the generosity

454
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: of these guys. You know, I'm using their dogs and

455
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: um showing me the ropes. But generally in a in

456
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: a normal year, I don't have a lot of time

457
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: at home between touring to do it. So you know,

458
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: last year I got out twice, I think, and um,

459
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: this year is definitely looking a lot better for that.

460
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: Does uh do Yanni's coon dog training stories speak to

461
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: you as a as a person born in Germany? Or

462
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: is the American as American as American who appreciates a

463
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: good hunting dog? Uh? You know watching those dogs work

464
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: in a in a pheasant uh? And a pheasant hunt

465
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: was was you know obviously I've never seen that before

466
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: and it was really one of my favorite parts. You know,

467
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm in the market, but I'm leaning

468
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: that way. Do you know the I was in a

469
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: man I was gonna tie you something there as I'm

470
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: not supposed to tell it. No, I can tell you.

471
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't see why you can't. I have I have

472
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 1: a way I can tell it. Okay, I have reason

473
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: to believe that our show, our TV the TV show, UM,

474
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: it's highest viewer per that the highest viewer per Capital

475
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: we get is in our own state. Okay, it's not surprising.

476
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Maggie's a big fan of Ears.

477
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: Is it because she's from Minnesota? Well, it probably doesn't,

478
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: ask I'm asking Meg. I turned my attention, I turned

479
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: my I turned my gaze. I turned my gaze slightly, right, right, Yeah,

480
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean that was my first exposure. Right,

481
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: So is it like it's not like State Pride because

482
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: these guys are international, or is it? I think it's

483
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: become State Pride for sure. So you associate, of course.

484
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean you sing a lot about Minnesota and there's

485
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: a lot of things in there that I don't know

486
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: speak to me. How long have you been a fan?

487
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: I think I found you guys and my senior year

488
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: of high school going into college. That makes me feel

489
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: so you want to put a year on that, Like

490
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: how did it come to be? Like? How did it

491
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: come to beat? You saw him play? No, I had

492
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: a really good friend that was a huge, huge fan.

493
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: He's gonna be jealous, set him hang out with you

494
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: and fish and stuff, But yeah, he introduced me to

495
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: the music and then yeah, I just fell in love.

496
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: And then we saw the first time I saw you

497
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: was on the shores of Lake Superior Atmosphere opened another

498
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: Minnesota ban Yeah, and then it was trampled when it

499
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: is a fun mix of rap fans. And then what

500
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: year was that? That was? What was that? I graduated

501
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: college st I think fourteen, Yeah, yeah, somewhere around there. Um,

502
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: do you hate as a musician? Do you hate Spotify? No? No,

503
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of a complicated relationship. That's how

504
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: that's how I became a fan of Ears. Really, it

505
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: was just served to me on. It was served to

506
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: me on just like the Discover weekly function. That's the

507
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: thing is that it's it's so great for exposure that's

508
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: hard to really be mad at him. You know there's

509
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: right now, what's really being highlighted, at least in my world,

510
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: is the lack of you know what a lot of

511
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: people consider adequate payment for what they do to the

512
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: to the musicians and to the songwriters. But um, it's

513
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: just how people it's I mean, I listened to it

514
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: all the time, you know, That's how I listen to

515
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: music now. And I think in for for somebody who

516
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: bases their u income on touring, it's a really helpful

517
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: tool because it's that's so many more people would hear

518
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: your music than would have if they had to go

519
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: to a store and buy a record or a CD.

520
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: You know, like how often do you take a chance

521
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: on something you've never heard of? In that way? But

522
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: now that touring is gone, Uh, there is a lot

523
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: of people kind of bringing up the fact that they don't.

524
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: They say that they seem to make a lot of

525
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: money by paying musicians very little. But I don't know.

526
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things. That's it's the way

527
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: it is now, and it's a hard thing to change.

528
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: It's hard to add a company to say, Okay, we'll

529
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: make less money and pay you better when they don't

530
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: really have to. There's nothing forcing them to do that. Um.

531
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: You O. Man was in the military. He was, yeah,

532
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: was he tripped off? He became a musician. Did you

533
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: want to be a military It was actually very supportive.

534
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: He didn't know. He actually specifically told me he didn't

535
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: want me to do that, not that it was up

536
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: to him, you know, but he he Uh, he was

537
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: active for I don't know, most of my childhood. He

538
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: was an officer. He wasn't in counterintelligence, so he would

539
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: be gone for I remember one year, I think I

540
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: was three years something, he lived in Korea for a

541
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: whole entire year and he got kind of sick of

542
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: that life, so went in the reserves for a while.

543
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: And then I mean, that's why I was born in Germany, right,

544
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: because he was stationed there for a bit um and

545
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: then got out. And uh no, I don't think he

546
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: totally enjoyed his experience there, so it never really he

547
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: never promoted it anyway, so he was fine to see

548
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: you become a musician. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm

549
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: sure everybody a little concerned at first when when you know,

550
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the hell I was gonna do.

551
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: But I tried to go to college for a year

552
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: and that didn't work out, and then started playing in bands.

553
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: And I was living in Duluth, Minnesota at the time,

554
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: and realized that's what I mean, as that's all I

555
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: could think about doing. I couldn't think about another job

556
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: or another career that sounded good to me at the time.

557
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: So I decided to go for it. And no, but

558
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: I had I definitely had the support of my family.

559
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were worried about it, but none of

560
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: them ever had any money either. So when uh, when

561
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: you're growing up trying to not grown up, but trying

562
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: to break into become a musician. This all happened in Minnesota. Yeah,

563
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean I started playing there, but it didn't really

564
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: become a full time opportunity for me until we started

565
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: touring around. So I wouldn't have been able to just

566
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, quit my other job like I was able

567
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: to if we would have just stayed and playing there. Um,

568
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: But it was definitely the long way to do it.

569
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we just started touring on our own. We

570
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: had no infrastructure and no booking age and nothing. We

571
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: just call people and I beg for work pretty much,

572
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: and you know, go to a town and there'll be

573
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: five people there and hopefully six months later when it

574
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: came back, there'll be twenty people. And um, eventually got

575
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: to the point where we could sustain it. Karnce sent

576
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: me an article that was I think in this article

577
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: you had said something the effect of and in the

578
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: music scene and delu with like people would already people

579
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: would start to resent you if you could get to

580
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: a position where you could charge a three dollar cover charge.

581
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: They were already mad. They're rock and roll, rock and

582
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: roll kind of punky, you know, do it yourself. Absolutely.

583
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: Oh man. The first time we did charge charge a

584
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: cover it was you know, I mean this is a

585
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: small scale uh incident, but we got so much, so

586
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: much slack for it that. But there's part of that

587
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: that I really love about that place where it's it's uh,

588
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: at least in the music scene in Duluth what I

589
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: from what I remember and from what I assume still

590
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: goes on, UM has that mentality that you have to

591
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: be this you know, art for art's sake kind of creator,

592
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: which UM a lot of places don't and a lot

593
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: of spaces in working in music is is just so

594
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: far apart from that that I like that there's that

595
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: little pocket where it's like it's kind of like that,

596
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, everybody brings their own sound gear to

597
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: the show, everybody makes their own flyers, everybody does their

598
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: their own thing like that, and it's it's cool. What

599
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: is the did you write? Winners? Like I've listened to

600
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: this long ago, thousand times, but like I kind of

601
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: understand what it's about, but I don't understand what it's about. Yeah,

602
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: is it about what we're talking about? Yeah? Yeah, that's

603
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: that's a pretty pretty accurate I think. I you know,

604
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: I was talking to Sam about this on the on

605
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: the River yesterday where we were talking about songwriting, and

606
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: for me, I I've I've always had a hard time

607
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: thinking of a specific concept in writing a song, you know,

608
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: literally about it, And for me, I feel like it

609
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: works more where I when I write, it's just kind

610
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: of distilling maybe a you know, a certain time period

611
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: of experience and this thing that um and then maybe

612
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: make the connection of the reason behind it after the

613
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: fact a little bit. And so sometimes songs are you know,

614
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: maybe one versus referencing one period of time and another

615
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: uh different. But for that song in particular, that was

616
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: pretty specifically about the right time living in Bluth because

617
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: you stay in there and you know how we feel

618
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: about winners. Yeah, but there's a lot there's parts I

619
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: don't understand loving. It's a loving But why does this

620
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: say like nothing in the but a hammer, nothing in

621
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: the cabin? What is it nothing but a hammer and

622
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: a saw? Oh? You know it rhymed with the other

623
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: and nail and a nail to drive it home. Uh. Well,

624
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: you know there was a part in that song where

625
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: I talked about sleeping on a couch, which I was.

626
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: I was living on my friend's couch for this little

627
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: period time. But you weren't study in law. That says

628
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: you were. Were you trying? Were you lying to impress

629
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: your most difference between the difference between lying and not

630
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: telling the truth. No, Joey, I wouldn't hold you too.

631
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: That's something to be trying to impress your mom. Your

632
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: mom would hear that song and she'd like, I didn't

633
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: know he was studying law. I was working real hard

634
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: at that. You gotta throw in health insurance under steady

635
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: health insurance. There's nothing more rock and roll than health

636
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: insurance to the steady. I got a good question for

637
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: you on can we just on the topic cover charges? Yeah,

638
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: but can you weaven your question my question cause I'm

639
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: still not satisfied with the answer. Please go ahead then,

640
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: But what's it about? Nothing? I don't care to show about.

641
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: I know what it's about. I know what it's about

642
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: in my heart. That's what I'd like to hear. But

643
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: was there a thing you said? You sat down, he said,

644
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: damn it, I'm gonna write a song about No. Okay, No,

645
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never write songs on purpose anyway that

646
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: it's just uh, it's kind of an abstract process for me.

647
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: But it was a lot you know, once that one

648
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: started to take form, I realized it wasn't really about

649
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: this like early twenties of my life living in that

650
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: town and and deciding that I wanted to to, uh,

651
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: you know, make a go at playing music for my career.

652
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: I guess if you want to call it that, and

653
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: um and just some instances from that time that's stuck out,

654
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, if that's maybe about as specific as I

655
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: can get. No, that's great, Okay, Like I said, I

656
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: know what, I know what it's about my heart say that, well,

657
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: that's the goal there, and it's it's like it's that

658
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: it's that. Um, there's a lot of uncertain you know.

659
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: Do you ever listen to the band Arcade Fire Like

660
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: I like those guys. Yeah. Um, I don't know that

661
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I agree. I probably wouldn't agree with him on politically

662
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: at all, but I like them and I feel that

663
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: they have When I'm trying to describe what I like

664
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: about them, is I feel that they are um like

665
00:35:52,200 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: this sort of infectious. It's like exhilaration, but with changed

666
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: with some very serious apprehension and the Winner's tune like

667
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with like being uncertain at

668
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: an uncertain part of your life in a in a town,

669
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: in a town that's aware of itself. Yeah, and looking

670
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: back at it from about fifteen years later too, you know,

671
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: because that was some harrowing ship what you're seeing in

672
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: your twenties, man, you're late twenties and harrowing. Yeah. It

673
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: was also some of the best times in my life

674
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: in a really exciting way. When we started to tour,

675
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, the four of us in a van, and

676
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: I had really not traveled much outside of the Midwest

677
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: at all, and so coming to see the mountains for

678
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: the first time and see the ocean for the first

679
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: time and all of that. I mean, every day it's

680
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: it's long and boring a lot of the times, but

681
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: it was also this kind of in retrospect and through

682
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: romantic lands. Now is this kind of grand adventure that

683
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: I was able to have. At that time, we were

684
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: sleeping on people's floors, there was no internet, so it's

685
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: still like this mysterious process, you know, um and play

686
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: music with. Some of my best friends are still some

687
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: of my best friends. So it was pretty great. Go

688
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you have kind of tiptoed around I

689
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: think one of your favorite arguments, which is Okay from Muskogee. Alright,

690
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: it's like, what what did you What did you mean

691
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: when you wrote Oki from Muskogee? What were you trying

692
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: to say? There's been some some drama over that hasn't

693
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: exactly Oh tell me more. Rue. Half of the country's

694
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: like it is a conservative theme something. Yeah, it's just

695
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: it just rhymed, man, Just you know that. No, it's like,

696
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: we don't smoke marijuana. I think it was from a

697
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: dude who smoked a lot of from his from what

698
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: I've lived on a houseboat and lived on a houseboat

699
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: in Lake Shasta. But I thought he was kind of

700
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: making tongue in cheek in it a little bit. How

701
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: many people have screwed up? How many people have screwed

702
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: up that Springsteen is born in the USA? Yes, lived

703
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: on a houseboat Lake Shasta. Um, yeah, it's born in

704
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: the USA. That anti Vietnam song, yeah, you know Vietnam

705
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: war song. He's like, but wait a minute, that's the

706
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: song is like saying, like, oh but wait a minute, man,

707
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: I was born in the USA. It's not souls to happen. Well,

708
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: maybe that goes back to U. You know what it

709
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: means in your heart? You know, I like as a songwriter,

710
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: and um, that's what hits me about songs that I

711
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: love is the fact that I can relate something and

712
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: that like I get a feeling that I understand what's

713
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: happening in there um of the song. And a lot

714
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: of times it's man that that person went through this

715
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: experience and they wrote about it in this way, uh

716
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: that I would never think of doing. And that's you know,

717
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: like Bob Dylan's Bow in my mind that way so

718
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: many times, and some a lot of other writers. But

719
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: to have somebody kind of take their own narrative and

720
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: their own understand ending of a song and leave it

721
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: at that, that's my favorite. If they're you know, sometimes

722
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: when you find out what a certain line is actually about,

723
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: it's kind of a letdown. I don't know if this

724
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: is true. I've I've heard, I feel like from my

725
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: brother let's be a good one for Spencer's fact checker.

726
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: I heard that Sammy Hagar once said that his lyrics

727
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: came from misunderstanding other people's lyrics. And then when you

728
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: find out what they're actually saying. You're like, oh, ship,

729
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: that's not what I thought it was. I'm going to

730
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: write a song with what I thought it was in

731
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: it it's even better. Yeah, but I don't know what

732
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: he was listening to that made him think of I

733
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: can't drive fifty five? Like what song did he think

734
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: they were saying? I can't drive fifty five? Yeah, he's

735
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: just got really bad hearing or something. But I'll tell you,

736
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: I'll give you a hot tip if you want a

737
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: good line for a song. It's what I used to

738
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: think they're saying in a you tube and a U

739
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: two song. I used think there's a U two song

740
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: where he said the line a few broken bones and

741
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: some loose change. It's not what he's saying. What song is?

742
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what that carry the cross exactly. You

743
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: should write a song with the line and a few

744
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: broken bones and some loose change, because that's rich. That's

745
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: pretty good. You never had anything propproaching that, So I

746
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: gotta give you like a producer credit. Yeah, I don't.

747
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't see you writing that down day. If we

748
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: can wait, it's all up here. It's a few broken

749
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: bones of the image that sets. Yeah, it's dark. Yeah,

750
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: I like it. I do. I like your kind of

751
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: origin story, your line of Um, you know, I didn't

752
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: didn't sort of matter if there was money in it

753
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: because nobody else in the family had money anyway. And

754
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: like there's more pressure on kids too, Yeah, earn a

755
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: high level of income if it if their parents are

756
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: doing it all. You mean you meant family. You mean

757
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: like in your like you didn't come like you grew

758
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: up not wealthy. Yeah, right, yeah, I think he meant

759
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: family like family musicians. There's a great um, great line

760
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 1: from just Todd Schneider, favorite singer songwriter and Doug Gloves.

761
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: When I close I don't know what Todd Snider looks like.

762
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: When I close my eyes, I see Dug during Todd

763
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Schneider is a long haired, leaping gnome like he is

764
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: just this lanky, looks like he could walk forever. But

765
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't get the impression he does. So he doesn't

766
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: look like like Doug. During's built basically like big foot,

767
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: shave shave a lot of weight and keep the height. Yeah,

768
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: but he's got this line. It says, uh, having nothing

769
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: is almost like having it all, And I just find

770
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: it very fitting a lot of times. Yeah, it's like,

771
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: well I don't have anything to lose, so why not try?

772
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Or it's I could see that as um kind of

773
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: a simple life metaphor, right Like I look back, for instance,

774
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: at the time we were just talking about in my

775
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: life when there was there was no money, there wasn't

776
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: a house, or kids are all all the stuff wonderful

777
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: and otherwise that's comes since then, But it's an easier way.

778
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: It's probably easier on your head that way too. You

779
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: know we touched on when we were talking about sleeping

780
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: in the back of the truck yesterday. It's like it's

781
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: just simple and because of the simplicity, it gets you

782
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: out more where it gets you going more. And I

783
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 1: know it's fun to sit around romanticize and being broke,

784
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: and like there's a lot of good stuff that comes

785
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: out of being broke. And that was broke a long time,

786
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: like broke to the point where you were defitely afraid

787
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: to go into the hospital, right Like I remember waking

788
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: up one time with paramedics standing over me. And I

789
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: woke up with paramedics standing over me and ran off

790
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: into the night, the only thing in my mind being

791
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna be cheap. That's the yeah, man, we laughed,

792
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: but that's so. But like my dad had a quote

793
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: he liked. I think he made it up. He said,

794
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: I've been rich and I've been poor. It's better being rich.

795
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: That's the thing now is I wouldn't I wouldn't choose

796
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: to go back right now. I think if it happens

797
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: at the right time of your life, there might be

798
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: some lessons learned in there. I think everybody maybe would

799
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: probably benefit for at least one year of poverty in

800
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: their life. But I don't think poverty counts. Like I

801
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: don't think that people who don't have children should be

802
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: allowed to use the word poverty. It's not it's just

803
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: something different. It's like broke, like you're broke. Yeah, But

804
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: some people never even get that because I lived many

805
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: years like below the federal poverty limit. But I would

806
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: never as a magazine writer, I would never have described

807
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: myself because because a lot of its self inflicted. You're

808
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: not unless you're worried about feeding your kids or it's

809
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: like it's like mostly self inflicted. It's like you also

810
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: drink all the time, and you also like are always

811
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: like doing like a two weeks backpacking trips hunting in Alaska.

812
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: So it's like it just doesn't jibe with poverty, like

813
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: you just don't have any money because you have to

814
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: have chosen not to write. But it is different, kids,

815
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: it's different. Then I'm like, okay, unleashed the word. I

816
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: gotta tell you my cover cover story. It's not really

817
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: a scam because I felt like it was very beneficial.

818
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: But growing up in Missoula, there's always a lot of

819
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: music around, and um uh, we also chose not to

820
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: have a lot of money at that point, and um

821
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: so what I would do is that go up to

822
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, typically at somebody in the band or of

823
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: the band is sitting there working the door on the

824
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: on the cover side of things like taking cash, and

825
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: so I would figure out if the cover was going

826
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: to the house or getting split by the house, and

827
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: if it would be better off for the band in

828
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: their best interest to sneak in if we bought like

829
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: two T shirts. We'd figure out something. Right, it would

830
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: be like what is the band getting And then I'd

831
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: be like, cool, I'm gonna have five people here, We're

832
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: gonna buy two T shirts. You put five people on

833
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: the on the guest list and they'd be like done

834
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: half the time. It's amazing. Yeah, it was great. Yeah,

835
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: I would have said yesterday. Yeah, I mean, do you

836
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: think those people a lot of thought put into that.

837
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: It's really sweet, appreciate it could have been thinking about

838
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: just making honest living and forking over my three bucks,

839
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: but instead, well, that's that's amazing. Yeah, that's kind of

840
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: that's a it's a heartwarming tale. Ye. How does that

841
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: does that work for you? Because it would still work

842
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: probably good because I kept thinking about that and I

843
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, could I just ask on that note,

844
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: what is the best way to support artists musicians right now?

845
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: Is it merch? Is it physical media? Like boy? That

846
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: is a great question. Uh, yeah, it's it's merch, really

847
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: physical me he included. But most most artists out there

848
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: have a website, and most of those websites have a store,

849
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: and so every little every T shirt or or stick

850
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: or a record or whatever you buy off there, it

851
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: all helps. Did you like that band Typhoon? I don't

852
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: know the band tai foond Uh. They had a T

853
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: shirt that I really want and it's out of stock

854
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: and I always try to go buy it and I

855
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: can never buy Itty bucks Man. I can't get one.

856
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm half about ready to write him in and see

857
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: if I can buy his trying to check up the price.

858
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: You the Bandtai Foon, How can you up your alley man? Yeah,

859
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: I'll check him out. Tod Schneider's got a sticker that

860
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: says Todd Schneider rules, and it hasn't been in stock

861
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: for like five years. I keep checking. You know, my

862
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: older brother, my older brother, Uh, he doesn't like bluegrass,

863
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: and you guys have a strong bluegrass influence. You know what.

864
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: His criticism of bluegrass is that it has too many notes.

865
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I feel like I listened to Level.

866
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah there's a lot of notes. Yeah, I do think that,

867
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: and you think that, Yeah, I do. I'm definitely more

868
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: of uh like I feel like maybe it's because I'm

869
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: just I've never been like schooled in my instrument or whatever,

870
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: but um, I prefer a bit more space and and

871
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: uh maybe more well placed notes than more notes, just

872
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: for having more notes, if that makes sense. Do you

873
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: know the musician Robert O'Keane, Yeah, I do his song

874
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: blue Grass Whittle, where he made a bluegrass song by

875
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: stringing together all the titles of bluegrass songs. That's a

876
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: great bluegrass do you we're just trampled by turtle sit

877
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: in like the bluegrass genre because it, I would imagine

878
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: your guys style is probably like pooh pooed by some

879
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: people in the bluegrass scenes, like oh, there's too much

880
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: electric electric stuff for there's two it's too fast, or

881
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: it's too much on the rock and roll spect it

882
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: absolutely is yeah to get piste because you guys win

883
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: Best Bluegrass Album and it's really not. I mean, I

884
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: don't care what people call this band, right, if you

885
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: want to call him, if we want calls bluegrass or not,

886
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't care. It doesn't matter. But to a lot

887
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: of people, the word bluegrass is is very holy and

888
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: specific thing, and it's in that circle. UM, and I

889
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: got a lot of friends in that. We do a

890
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: lot of festivals in that world, and um a lot

891
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: of friends playing the bands in that world. But and

892
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: it's not even the musicians themselves. It's like the fans

893
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: and they have this thing where um, there's very tight

894
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: parameters and it's very rule based kind of songs and um,

895
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: and it's really heavily focused on you know, incredible technical skill. Um,

896
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: and that's I don't that's not really my vibe, vibe

897
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: and anything. Musically, I don't really care how great somebody

898
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: is at their instrument if they can't play something that

899
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: really invokes some kind of emotional reaction or you know. Um.

900
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: But so I think yeah, and that in that traditional

901
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: bluegrass world, I think a lot of them wouldn't even

902
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: consider us a part of it, which is fine, you know,

903
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: and we we dabble in it. Sometimes we're lucky enough

904
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: for we can go we'll play a blue grass festival,

905
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: like a bluegrass festival, you know, an Appalachia or something.

906
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: But then we're also able to play other things like

907
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, we play Coachella and like rocky ear things

908
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: as well, which I'd much rather be in that kind

909
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: of muddy water than than have to clearly define, um,

910
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: something that but it's very nature should grow and change

911
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: as it as it goes along. I think it seems

912
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: like to some bluegrass fans it's almost like bourbon, where

913
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: if it didn't come from Kentucky, it doesn't matter. You know.

914
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Living in Missoula for a long time, there's a lot

915
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: of people are really snobby about bluegrass and yeah, it's

916
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's funny to see how things get defined

917
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: and I legitimized sometimes when music. Mostly that's none of

918
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: the musicians that I know, even in the traditional bluegrass world,

919
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: really share any of that perspective. It's people that have

920
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: this thing that they believe is there's which is fine.

921
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: They're allowed to have it, you know, and they're allowed

922
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: to like whatever they like. But to ask, you know,

923
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: to to like expect a band because they have a

924
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: banjo in it to do this way this thing a

925
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: certain way, excuse me. To me is is just kind

926
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: of silly, you know, to have rules about who gets

927
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: to have a banjo, yeah, or how they're supposed to

928
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: play it. You know, like our banjo player for instances

929
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: this is maybe too far into this whole, but plays

930
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: with a like a guitar pick, which I mean is

931
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: simple enough. He just learned how to play it that

932
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: way and he's really good at it that way. Um.

933
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: But in for instance, like in the blue grass community,

934
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: that's super taboo to do that, which we didn't know

935
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: when we started. We were in Duluth, you know, like

936
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: there's no grass there and we were like trying we

937
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: were trying to pretend we were from Appalachia anything. We're

938
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: just writing our own songs and using those instruments, you know.

939
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: And so we'd show up to play and he would

940
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: get so much ship for that pick that it was like,

941
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: what is this? The traditionalists use fingers or fingers like fingerpicks,

942
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: so it's even even the the distinction between a piece

943
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: of metal on your finger a piece of plastic in

944
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: your fingers is enough. So I was, you know, honestly

945
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: turned off by that pretty early on, and and I

946
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: have softened my view on it a bit now, have

947
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: gotten older, But I love some of the music, you know. Um,

948
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: I just added, like finding a place for rules in

949
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: in any kind of creative pursuit. It just seems counterintuitive

950
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: to me, the abundance of notes notwithstanding abundance, and uh,

951
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: what bluegrass manages to do though, is it? It's it's earthy. Yeah,

952
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: it's like the traditional bluegrass music is sort of born

953
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: of the earth, the old stuff like feels it's very honest. Yeah,

954
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: I think that pop top forty pop country, whatever you

955
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: call modern country, top top forty country, um fanes and earthiness.

956
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: I agree with that. An old country too, you know,

957
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: a country from the fifties or whatever. Those are people

958
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: that lived in the country and wrote about their experience.

959
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: That's the smells of alcohol and that same thing about

960
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: the early bluegrass people. They were living in those halls

961
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: and mining and they were writing songs about that and

962
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: it felt like from the earth, you know, like what

963
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: you said, which I really like it, like it grew

964
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: out of the dirt, and it's it's a later interpretation

965
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: or imitation of that. I think it has kind of

966
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: less substance maybe, do you uh, you grew up around

967
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: like hanging around outside at least if you weren't into

968
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: the real dark arts of what was your you know,

969
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: what was your exposure to nature? Well, my my dad

970
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: and I, uh would you would camp a lot? And

971
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: you know for one thing. But um, in Minnesota, there's

972
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: this great lake culture, right and every not everybody obviously

973
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't, but a lot of people, especially back when

974
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: I was a kid, when it was a little more

975
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: affordable to do it, have cabins on lakes and this

976
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: is pretty like right and a middle class thing that

977
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: people were able to do without um needing. Now now

978
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: it's a little harder to buy a place like that.

979
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: But anyway, my grandparents had one, so I would, you know,

980
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: grew up fishing on lakes since I can hold a

981
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: rod really, And then later in my teenage years, my

982
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: dad and I kind of got into backpack camping up

983
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: in the Spirit National Forest and um hiking on the

984
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: Spirit Hiking Trail on that kind of stuff, up and

985
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: up and dooring the Minnesota, and then ice fishing as well,

986
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: which I haven't done for a while now. You grew

987
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: up around the ice hole a little bit. Do you

988
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: feel that, um, do you feel that the natural world

989
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: like like give something to music or do you think

990
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: it's just totally separate. I don't think it can be

991
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: separate at all. I don't. Maybe it depends on the

992
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: music or the person making the music, because you know,

993
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in music who don't spend

994
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: a lot of time doing any of that. Um, But

995
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: for me, yeah, absolutely, I just it's always just been

996
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: the just the outdoors. And it's such a broad thing,

997
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I notice say, but it's always just been where I've gone,

998
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, whenever I have the opportunity to go somewhere,

999
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: or the the need to get out of town or whatever,

1000
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: it's always you know, in a tent or the truck

1001
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: or now it's out in the field. Um, and it's

1002
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: kind of where I recharged my batteries. It always has been.

1003
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I mean, you just point out this thing,

1004
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: like you don't need nature to make music. I do. Yeah. No,

1005
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm just say, yeah, I agree. You know what you're

1006
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: pointing out. One does not, because that's like a little

1007
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: bit of a conundrum. Um where uh even like in

1008
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: raising kids, I you know, I would argue that I

1009
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: think it does kids good to have a very ah

1010
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: extreme version of a relationship to nature. But I see

1011
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: people raise really wonderful, loving general as kids in the

1012
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: middle of giant cities, right, who could give a rat's

1013
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: ass about nature? So I'm like, okay, I find it helpful.

1014
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: Is it the way to do it? It's one way

1015
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: to do it, you know your kids? Yeah, it is right, right,

1016
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: and those kids would probably be able to they could

1017
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: grow up anywhere and be fine. Like you said, but

1018
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: maybe that's your way of of showing whatever that thing

1019
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: is that you want to show your kids. Your way

1020
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: of doing it is out there. Yeah, I don't have

1021
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: another method, right, And somebody is like growing up in

1022
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: Paris or something. Their way of doing it has to

1023
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: be different. You know, I'm the same. I have two kids,

1024
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: have a nine year old daughter and a seven year

1025
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: old son, and my favorite times with them have been outside.

1026
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: You know, they both we've been fishing now. Um, they

1027
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: love the camp and it's where it's kind of where

1028
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: everything makes sense to both of us. Maybe that's where,

1029
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: like the Van Diagram crosses, that's a good point where

1030
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: where we are and there They're still young enough where

1031
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: we get along all the time really, but I'm hoping

1032
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: that trans it's into their teenage years where like for

1033
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: me when my when when I was sixteen or seventeen

1034
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: and I wanted nothing to do with my parents, I

1035
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: would still love to go camping with my dad and

1036
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: that was the time when we would actually talk and

1037
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: actually spend time together on a more of a level

1038
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: playing field. Maybe can you think of a actual sort

1039
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: of moment or an actual way or a song or

1040
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: something where an experience outdoors, like you know, was manifested

1041
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: somehow on the thing you made. Or is it all

1042
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: this background? That's a good question. No, I do think

1043
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: um it is I would say mostly background. But I

1044
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: think that you know, I definitely have like lines or

1045
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: references to it all over the place. Um But I

1046
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: think a lot of when I'm thinking about writing a

1047
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: song and I'm working on and I'm missing a line

1048
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: here or something like that, a lot of the times,

1049
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: like references in some way to the outdoors is kind

1050
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: of first thing that comes up, you know, like describing

1051
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: how the light is or how it sounds, or just

1052
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: things that you're a little more hyper aware of when

1053
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: you're outside, you know. Um. On my I put a

1054
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: solo record out in March, and I think I noticed

1055
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: more of that stuff a little bit more on the

1056
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: forefront and some of those songs. But I've also been

1057
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: so much more focused on on being in the outdoors now.

1058
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean, for so long with touring full time, I

1059
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: let it. I had let a lot of that stuff

1060
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: go for maybe ten years. I didn't spend a lot

1061
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: of time out in the woods or um on the

1062
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: water or whatever. And it's really in the last three

1063
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: or four years has really been coming back to me,

1064
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: really like more powerfully than it really ever has in

1065
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: my life. So I think the references to that are

1066
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: getting a little more literal in there, you know. I

1067
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: was plugging that band Typhoon. There's a song it's called

1068
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: I think it's called the Lake. If you listen to

1069
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: it real careful, it's the like there's a there's are

1070
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: like this Chris the Lean moment in it where it's

1071
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: fourth of July and the singer and his sister are

1072
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: planned and she's trying to make a loon sound and

1073
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: they go down to a lake shore and he doesn't

1074
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: realize it, but he says a different bug must have

1075
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: bit my leg, but I never saw it. And it's

1076
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: about lime disease. You'd never know unless you listened to

1077
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: it like a kazillion times. It's about lime disease, but

1078
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: he never says lime disease in it, different bug must

1079
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: have been It sounds like they're they're from there in Oregon,

1080
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: but he talks about but there's like nature references, you know,

1081
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: It's like it's like real nature references that you wouldn't

1082
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: know if you didn't spend time in nature. And I

1083
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: think when I was talking about Top forty country, it's

1084
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: like I sometimes don't buy the references. It'd be like,

1085
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like you know when you watch

1086
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: really if you watch really bad, you know, like bad

1087
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: writers and they're trying to imagine like what a redneck

1088
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: family is like they'd be like, oh, um, have them

1089
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: fix something with duct tape? They like that, right, what

1090
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: rhymes with duct tape? And they're like, or you know

1091
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: a thing they do is, um, you know, have like

1092
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: a uh real strict violent parenting style. They like that, right,

1093
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But people like they don't

1094
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, Like they don't know. And

1095
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: I was watching the showing that long ago, and they

1096
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: had a scene where there was supposed to be some

1097
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: carpenters carpenters working, and you can tell that the writer,

1098
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: nor the director, nor anyone on that set had ever

1099
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: seen a carpenter work in the life. There's a whole

1100
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: room of people building a house. Not one of them

1101
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: was doing anything you would do in the process of

1102
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: building out. They had no idea. And I think there's

1103
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: this thing in top forty country where it's like they're like, oh, yeah,

1104
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: you'd have a truck, and I feel like you'd you'd

1105
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: it up your girlfriend, I imagine, and take her to

1106
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: the river in the truck. It seems like a thing

1107
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: they would enjoy. Yeah, And it's likely do you really

1108
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: know this, like, do you know this or do you

1109
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: feel that this is a thing in that world? To

1110
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the most I would say, and not

1111
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: having any statistics in front of me, but most of

1112
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: those songs are written in office buildings by other people.

1113
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: There's like songwriting shops. People go nine to five it

1114
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: and write songs based on record sales and what they

1115
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: what somebody is telling them it's sells really well. I

1116
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago somebody had put a

1117
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: video together of I think it was it was like

1118
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: nine of the top ten country songs at that moment

1119
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: and found almost the exact same line and every single

1120
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: one and cut it together so different artists all had

1121
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: the same basic chorus and the same basic because at

1122
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: that point that you know, somebody knew that that connecting

1123
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: with that in somebody's with sales records, And I think

1124
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: what you're saying is right. It's a lot of the

1125
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: like just let's just list off things they like or

1126
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: they're supposed to like. But what I like about it

1127
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: is it's like, of all the music right now, it's

1128
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: the music that's most references. It's the music that most

1129
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: references nature like references agriculture, right, it references labor in

1130
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: the outdoor, Like there's all these things that kind of like,

1131
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: but the delivery always feels like a little too because

1132
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: I like that as well. I wish there was more

1133
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: of that other stuff for it. Maybe because in raw

1134
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: like in like nickelback whatever, they're not. I don't know

1135
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: if they do they reference agriculture quickly. I don't know, Man,

1136
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: there's that is I mean, that's country music. It's supposed

1137
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: to be in the country, right, It's supposed to come

1138
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: from out of town people that live and and where

1139
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: it can grow up away from the city. But in reality,

1140
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: most of it comes from downtown Nashville, you know, Yeah,

1141
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: and from people that live in Nashville and don't farm,

1142
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, So that's where it came from. Analysis Now,

1143
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: it's a style that you kind of sculpt yourself to fit,

1144
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: you know. Some of it starts to feel like a

1145
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: caricature of the rural lifestyle. I mean, there's the old

1146
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: joke like you play a country song backwards and you

1147
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 1: get the farm back, and you get your dog back

1148
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: and your truck back and your girlfriend back. But yeah,

1149
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: that that's why I like stuff like you guys do.

1150
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: It just feels a lot more, a lot more authentic

1151
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: and until people actually actually get out and get out

1152
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: and do it, it's not just based on demographics. I

1153
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: will say, when we started, you know, this band started

1154
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: as a as a as a side project. We're all

1155
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: playing in rock bands. I've never played in anything acoustic based,

1156
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: or folk music or blue grass or whatever. Um I

1157
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: mean I started. My first band was a punk band

1158
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: and was name of a Simple Junction. Simple Junction. Yeah. Obviously,

1159
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: band names aren't my strong suits. My same brother that

1160
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: doesn't like blue grass, he has a hobby where he

1161
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: just comes up with great names. A great great repeat offender.

1162
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: That's a cover band, Yeah, Steve, we did this in

1163
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: post production. Carl HANSI and I have a list of

1164
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: band names of ever when it counts Ginger Snapper, that

1165
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: means bands that play like like the VFW on Tuesday

1166
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: Nights or something that. Um. But when I was doing that,

1167
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: we when we started this band, it was just as

1168
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: something to explore. We all Simple Junction. Yeah, what does

1169
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: that even mean? You know, there's no proof that it

1170
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: ever existed. I don't think either, which is one of

1171
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: the nice things about being at age before Spotify or

1172
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: before YouTube, before anything. But we were a copy and stuff,

1173
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, like I've never played a blue rass song before.

1174
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: Our mandolin player just bought a mandolin at a garage

1175
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: sale and we're like, well and I've never even heard

1176
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: the music before. So we at that time, right at

1177
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: the end of the time where you do this, we

1178
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: found music, We found like CDs of bluegrass music, and

1179
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: we started. We learned a few songs. It was just

1180
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: this kind of fun thing we did maybe once a

1181
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: month at a little bar um because there was nothing

1182
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: like that in Duluth, you know that we knew of anyway. Um,

1183
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: So we started. And then I think anytime you like

1184
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: do that at the first the first um, at least

1185
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: for me, I should say, the first thing you do

1186
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: is kind of copy somebody else. You know. When I

1187
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: started writing songs, I wanted to be Bob Dylan or something,

1188
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, like right like that and then maybe use

1189
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: the same core structure and make it sound like it,

1190
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: maybe even outright steal stuff. Um. And we would do

1191
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: that with Tramplet. And then when we decided we got

1192
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: a little bit older and decided that we wanted this

1193
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: was going to be our band. Then we tried to

1194
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: go reel that back and you know, make our own

1195
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: music just with these instruments instead of the ones that

1196
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: we were used to. The mimicry thing that you're mentioning, like,

1197
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: I like how you're almost like mad or of fact

1198
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: about it. I think everybody does it. Yeah, I agree,

1199
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: and watching uh, when I was going through school and

1200
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: watching so many aspiring writers, um learn their learn their groove.

1201
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to copy someone. The good writers are just

1202
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: people like everyone tries to copy and no one can

1203
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: get it right. The good ones are just that they're

1204
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: facts simile. That the facts simile they're trying to produce

1205
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: is misses the mark but hits something interesting. It'd be

1206
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: like you're like shooting at like a buck, you know,

1207
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: like a forky and you miss it, but hit like

1208
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: a booner and then you go there. You're like, yeah, yeah,

1209
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: that's why I meant to do that whole time. Yeah,

1210
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, I'm gonna I was like,

1211
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna be like John McPhee and

1212
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: Ian Fraser. That's all right. Yeah, Well, I think Joan

1213
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: Didion tossed in right, and right anything like any of

1214
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: those people. Right, but you gotta I think everybody in

1215
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: any creative field starts with that because you all the

1216
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: reason you do it, because this stuff has had such

1217
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: an effect on you. You know, at least for me,

1218
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to play music because that was the most

1219
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: important thing in my life. That's the thing that had

1220
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: made me uh you know, it had changed my life

1221
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: by listening to it. And so there's no other way

1222
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: to start, I don't think, rather rather than copying somebody else,

1223
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: and then eventually I think you kind of mixed all

1224
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: those little influences in and find your own style. So

1225
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: you did as a writer as well, and then it

1226
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: becomes your thing. And I think that every artist is

1227
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: just their distillation of all that stuff that's in them,

1228
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: all those experiences, all the people they read or listened to,

1229
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: and it boils down into this, you know, a little

1230
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: goog that's just their own thing. Um, it's very continuous,

1231
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: I think. So Trampled by Turtles was was coming on

1232
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,479
Speaker 1: the scene, like uh as I had kind of made

1233
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: another life transition to like guiding, um, like white water

1234
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: and fly fishing outside a Glacier National Park, right and

1235
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: like national parks. You get a bunch of people from

1236
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: all over the country and all over the world to

1237
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: come in and work, and then plus the visitors and everything,

1238
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: and um, this was as a lot of outfits are.

1239
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: There's kind of like a communal living situation too with

1240
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: with guides and uh. And then there's all the park

1241
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: employees and stuff that are in the the exact same thing.

1242
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: So you get exposed to a lot of music. Um.

1243
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: And then certain music like really takes off right, and

1244
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: everybody's listening to the same thing, right, And so Trampled

1245
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: by Turtles had this amazing run um in these circles

1246
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: and you could hear tramped by Turtles all the time.

1247
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm always the guy who's like, who who

1248
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: sings that? Hey? Who sings that? Again? Um. I just

1249
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: thought like when you start thinking about legacies, where you

1250
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: can have this thing that exists and means like polar

1251
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: can have salute opposite meaning too, like the same groups

1252
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 1: of people where um, you have a bunch of young

1253
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: folks out for the first time away from mom and dad. Um,

1254
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of partying going on. Uh. People are

1255
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: drinking too much. They got a lot of freedom. Uh,

1256
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sex going on, there's drugs, there's

1257
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: uh just listening to Trampled by Turtles and uh like

1258
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: your legacy of writing, you have produced this, this content

1259
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: that means the entire emotional spectrum to people where it's

1260
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: like I broke up to this song, I fell in

1261
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: love to this song. I made a child to this song.

1262
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, that's well, yeah, I don't know what

1263
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: to say to that, but that's great, you know, I

1264
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: hope so I guess, but um, I I guess I

1265
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: have that from music for me, and you know that's

1266
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: why I get attached to some stuff as well. But

1267
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: if you ever run into somebody who's like, I'm gonna

1268
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: punch that Davis right in my head next my girlfriend,

1269
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: that's happened. I did, we did. I did have a

1270
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: guy jump on stage in Seattle once and choked me

1271
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: while I was playing. Um but I don't know if

1272
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: that was what was this problem. I don't know. I

1273
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: never found out. You didn't get the context. No, I didn't.

1274
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: I really. The first thing I came to my mind too,

1275
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: was like, why why did you choose? Now? Help me

1276
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: understand that? Uh? No, I never taught I never saw

1277
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: him again. If you're out there, shoot me an email

1278
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: in the music world. Is it ye? You just adjusted

1279
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: your mike? Were you fixing to say something? I got

1280
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: a question back and ask it's not please don't maybe

1281
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: beg for it? What's up? Do you have a guess

1282
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: at how many shows you've played? No, I don't know.

1283
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean annually during your busiest times, do you? I

1284
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: do know that, I mean during our busiest couple of years,

1285
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: which is probably uh, two thousand ten or two thousand

1286
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: and twelve maybe something like that, Um, about a hundred

1287
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: and fifty hundred sixty a year, and now we're at

1288
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: a pretty solid like seventy maybe, which still feels really busy.

1289
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't know when we fit all the other ones in,

1290
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: but we were just kind of on the road all

1291
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: the time. That was before I had kids. You know,

1292
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: another guy in our band's got a couple of kids.

1293
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: And uh, definitely the urge to be home the older

1294
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: I get, the urged to be home is a lot stronger. Um.

1295
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: What's the drug scene like in bluegrass music with the

1296
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: with the old guys? Are they like alcoholics or what

1297
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: are they like the old guys? The old classic blue grass.

1298
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: A lot of those guys are they in the pharmaceuticals

1299
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, the ones that are so alive

1300
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about like the legit blue like those guys

1301
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: around you know, don't I can. Dell mccourry is probably

1302
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: the only person from that period of time we actually

1303
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: played in like some of the original bluegrass bands. And

1304
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: he's eighty two or something like that. He's he's a

1305
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: wonderful man and who has had us play with his

1306
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: band before. He throws a great festival in Maryland from

1307
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: what I've seen him, And I mean his kids are

1308
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: his band. You know, it's a real traditional thing, um.

1309
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: And they're really great. Um. But I you know, pretty

1310
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: at least on the outside, pretty stand up, church going,

1311
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, we mom's here, put the beer away kind

1312
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: of kind of crowd. Because you've got that song about codine. Yeah,

1313
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: well I didn't grow up in that crowd. You know.

1314
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: It's like a country song about code. There's drugs, That's

1315
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: finally an easy question. There's there's drugs in every scene,

1316
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: I mean and every you know, probably every office you

1317
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: go into. I don't think that's that's just a music

1318
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: thing anymore. So, Yeah, when in the music world when

1319
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: you get like, oh, you know, you getting interested in hunting.

1320
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to go hunting, do you? Was there

1321
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: a temptation to be closeted about it because get in trouble. No,

1322
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,560
Speaker 1: not at all. I I I've actually really enjoyed that conversation.

1323
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: But I will say that mine, it might be a

1324
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: little different if I was you know, I don't know,

1325
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe if you've more urban band, you know, like we

1326
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: have a lot of pretty out outdoor active That's probably

1327
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: not the right way to say that, but people fans

1328
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: who are active in the outdoors. So I don't think

1329
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: it was a huge leap for for me to start

1330
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: talking publicly about hunting, right, Um, there's Oh, it wasn't

1331
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: totally unexpected. Yeah, it wasn't like what you know, Um,

1332
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: but yeah, in the music world, that's not I wouldn't

1333
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: say my experience in the music it's not very common

1334
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: activity for people to do. So it's been interesting conversations

1335
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: I've had with other musicians from from bands you know,

1336
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: much different than ours, And honestly, most of the response

1337
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: that I've gotten is curiosity and a lot of people,

1338
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to give it a shot.

1339
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: I want to try it out. UM. I mean I've

1340
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: kind of gotten a few a few friends that are

1341
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: going to come out this year, UM that had never

1342
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: done it, or families have never done it, you know,

1343
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: they've maybe never even slept in a tent kind of

1344
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: kind of friends, you know. But when I talked about

1345
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: the activity to them, UM, I mean, you guys know

1346
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: more than anybody probably the different conceptions of hunting that

1347
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: exists in the public eye, right, and which is something

1348
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: I'm new to. But I had my own preconceptions about

1349
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: it before and now that I've done it. What was what?

1350
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: What was that? Um? I was definitely on the side

1351
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: of things that that saw it as UM. You know,

1352
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, kind of like this red nicky

1353
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: activity chasing raccoons all around, driving raccoons. I was right,

1354
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, uh no, But you know, I don't think

1355
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: I was never like anti hunting or whatever. I have

1356
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: uncle's not on family member that hunt and you know whatever,

1357
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: it's great, but it wasn't something that I was interested

1358
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: in until I had the offer to go, and so

1359
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: I took that. But there must have been that can't

1360
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: be it. It can't be like you never thought about it.

1361
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: Had no interest, but then got invited to go and went,

1362
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: yeah pretty much. Yeah, it never really covered you. It

1363
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: never really crossed my mind, you know, And until I

1364
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: started talking to Bob uh Saint Pierre, and you know,

1365
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: he brought it up, said he started to like his

1366
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: radio show. Oh yeah, I listen to it all the time.

1367
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: So then I caught you know why, I don't know

1368
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: if that's a lie. You must have been interested. Why

1369
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: the hell are you listening to the show good radio

1370
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of it's a lot of fishing talk.

1371
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: And yet because you liked fishing and you have a

1372
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 1: fishing hunting or like very close because they are really close.

1373
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: Because um, but I don't know, man, there's like a

1374
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: rule I made, I didn't name it. Everyone who traps

1375
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: knows how to hunting fish, everyone who hunts knows how

1376
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: to fish. Everyone who fishes. I don't know what they

1377
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: know how to? Do? You know what I'm saying? Yeah

1378
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: I do. So they're they're like you were going to

1379
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh you were not. You weren't going like down the ladder,

1380
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: You're going like up the ladder. Sure, Uh yeah, I'd

1381
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 1: say that. I mean, it doesn't need to listen to

1382
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: a morning show because you like the fish talk. Also,

1383
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: I also, honestly I like the outdoors talk. These guys

1384
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: are very um, you know, they this was my first

1385
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: experience with people that are that are hunters, right, and

1386
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: when they talk about hunting, they talk about the walk

1387
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: and the dogs and the weather and like the um,

1388
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: maybe a bit more of the romantic side of it

1389
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: that I had never really had a exposure too before.

1390
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: And it resonated with me because that's the same A

1391
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff they were talking about is a

1392
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: lot of the things that I felt when I was

1393
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: taking a walk or whatever, but without the same goal

1394
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: in mine and um, they were really just you know,

1395
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: there's kind of the steward of the land conservationists perspective

1396
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: of hunting, um. And then the part of getting your

1397
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: own food, which I I mean, obviously I knew that's

1398
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: what happened when you hunt, but I've never really made

1399
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: that connection of how nice it would be to do that, um,

1400
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: even though I fished and it fish, you know, but um,

1401
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: maybe an extension of that or something. So I mean,

1402
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: when that's the stuff to me that drew me in

1403
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: when I started, when I went that first time, you know,

1404
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: I was out with this group of guys who had

1405
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: spend their whole lives doing this um and then I

1406
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:53,480
Speaker 1: got to see it from their perspective, which then it

1407
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: just made sense to me. It to make complete sense

1408
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: to me once I did it, you know. And it

1409
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: was also fun as hell it when it's popped up

1410
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: out of that I've never experienced anything like that before,

1411
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: you know. It wasn't like anything I had done. When

1412
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: a when a pheasant jumped up out of the cover

1413
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: that a dog had just pointed and I saw that,

1414
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, the first guy shoot one. It's like this,

1415
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm in. This is so great. Wait till you see

1416
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: your coon. Dog doesn't get any better? Have a heart

1417
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: comes screaming out of there. Boy, I get some blood pumping.

1418
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: I have a heart. Yeah. Well it's you know, I'm

1419
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: room to explore. Now. It's just a year of a

1420
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: couple of years of first right now, it's just been

1421
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: pretty great. And you went woodcock hunting. I did, well,

1422
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: we were gross hunting, but they were legal at the

1423
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 1: same time and in the same wood. So and did

1424
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: you find some Yeah, that's something I'm I'm real interested. Yeah,

1425
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: I want to want to find some yeah that, you know,

1426
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: I've been pheasant hunting twice. And then I went in

1427
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: the gross woods and I was I thought, it was like,

1428
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: there's no way in hell I'm going to shoot something

1429
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: in these trees except trees. You know, like watching the

1430
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: bird fly up in that cover is so thick. Um. Well,

1431
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: when you do shoot, it looks like you hit a

1432
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: bunch of trees. Yeah, that's all. It was like, I

1433
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: definitely have shot a lot of trees now, but I

1434
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: was able to get a couple of growls in a

1435
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: couple of ocock. Really, yeah, you're like proficient. Well I

1436
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: don't know about that, but rough growls is not I mean,

1437
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: anybody can I should say anybody all rough growls, But

1438
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: hitting two rough growls is good. Thanks. I I uh,

1439
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: it took me maybe, and it always is right And

1440
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: the only time I've ever seen him come up and

1441
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: then right in front, and then you know somebody who didn't.

1442
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm still in that phase right where walking through the

1443
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: woods and lifting a gun to my shoulder and getting

1444
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff right is brand new even you know,

1445
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: so I still I still a lot of its conscious

1446
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: movement for me still. So it's you know, I'm a

1447
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: little behind the behind the jump on that. But I

1448
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: also don't want to to shoot my buddy, you know.

1449
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: So I'm still like a conscious gun safety mode as well,

1450
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: because I've just I mean, I took my gun safety

1451
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: Minnesota gun safety course while I was on tour, uh

1452
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, in green room, So I was on the

1453
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: computer doing my gun safety course. So it's pretty brand

1454
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: new for those who want to know what happens in

1455
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: the green room. Doesn't get any more room Simon is

1456
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: taking his online go and see. I like that you

1457
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 1: just switch it to Simon. Well that's what I feel

1458
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: like it ought to be. Yeah, can we return something

1459
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: real quick. There's two things I didn't get you up

1460
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: top that I want to still touch on. Because you're

1461
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: talking about listening to the radio in Minnesota made me

1462
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: think of this. Uh you you found out why I

1463
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: don't like car talk already know why I don't like

1464
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: card talk. I'm still curious, uh refreshes and why you

1465
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: don't like card talk because us they the screen people,

1466
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: and then they have people on um in order to

1467
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: like express these old manny um sentiments about what they're doing.

1468
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: So i'd be like I was in My boyfriend was

1469
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: driving my boyfriend's car, right, your boyfriend's car and it

1470
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: just goes on or not yeah, which we did a

1471
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: pull I think last time we podcasted, and not. No,

1472
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: I didn't have anybody on my team either they hadn't

1473
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: heard of it or nobody was in it. You love it,

1474
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: but you're from Minnesota. So now he's gonna say you're

1475
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: out car talks from Massachusetts, though I don't. But I

1476
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: think I think Minnesota cher capital listen to more public

1477
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: rate on anybody on the planet. We cut all this

1478
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: outfil Yeah, what's the name of the street. What's the

1479
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:01,520
Speaker 1: street that wait, wait, don't tell me, tell me in Chica,

1480
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: what's the downtown Minneapolis Mini ha ha Street or something?

1481
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: You're talking about Home companions companion, Yeah, that's supposed to

1482
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: take make wobbegun. That's a fictional Yeah, there's a street.

1483
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: Never never mind, it's just because you're not into the

1484
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 1: subject matter those Really you're into cars, of course, hugely

1485
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: into cars, just because you drive one every day like

1486
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: they're broken and when they're broken, I wish they weren't

1487
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: and I want to fix it. That doesn't make you

1488
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: into I was working on my car today, hugely in

1489
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: the cars. I find it surprising you don't, like I

1490
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: give those same two dudes. We're just talking trapping and

1491
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: fishing and hunting. You'd be like, that is the best

1492
01:21:55,560 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: radio show ever. My Boyfriend's trash, Briend's trash. I like

1493
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: all kinds of ship like, I like all kinds of Like.

1494
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: I just watched the thing about the Purfs, people that

1495
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: use the Rico law um to take down the organized

1496
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: crime ring, and how they and how the law came

1497
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: in the passage and how they used RICO too instead

1498
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: of doing these like individual prosecutions of these various gangsters

1499
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: were able to roll this whole concrete price fixing manipulation

1500
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: ring up. You know, Steve, he's very interested in concrete

1501
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: bidding process. It's like, no, I'm not, but I like

1502
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with what I like. M

1503
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, I think it's just too out of

1504
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: your space. Is it the dynamic in the conversation that

1505
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: you don't enjoy, Like they like beat around the bush

1506
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: too much instead of actually getting to the issues. Yeah,

1507
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: they don't tell you. I don't learn about fixing cars, Like, oh,

1508
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: you've better taking to the mechanic. You know, stuff you

1509
01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: should know that podcast. Yeah, I hate that you don't

1510
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: provided me with a great rebuttal. Cut all this out.

1511
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: You provided me with a great rebuttal. Is it? It's

1512
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: not actually about fixing cars. No, you don't learn about it.

1513
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: It's about the conversation. Did you check to see if

1514
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: it's on? Oh, we'll take you to a mechanic. It's

1515
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: totally about the Yeah, I feel like you guys, you

1516
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: haven't listened. They do. I mean stuff you should know.

1517
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: They eventually tell you, like what that podcast about saying,

1518
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,919
Speaker 1: But like there's it's more about the conversation, the dynamic

1519
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: between the two and the way they go back and forth. Well,

1520
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: that's what makes talking about fixing cars entertaining. Dave, did

1521
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: you imagine it's what got David to pheasant hunting? Dave,

1522
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: act of loading the shotgun meticulously tell you, but take

1523
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: a show out of the box after I open it?

1524
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: Of course, break open the shotgun by pushing the lever. Dave,

1525
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: do you imagine how to videos go ahead? I had

1526
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: to say, okay, um, do you imagine that you would

1527
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: get into you like, would you get into big game hunting?

1528
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Or would that be to kind of like it's too extreme? No,

1529
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: I totally would be into it. I've I've started to

1530
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: try to figure out a way to go deer hunting

1531
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: this falling out that I'm gonna be home this fall.

1532
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: Um at home. But yeah, I mean all of it.

1533
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 1: I'll try any of it, I guess, and just see

1534
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: what sticks, you know. And there's nothing like you wouldn't do.

1535
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: You'd go on a bear hunt. I don't know, fab

1536
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: maybe i'd go on a bear hunt. I never thought

1537
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: about it. Huh, you go on a bear hunt. I've

1538
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: been on a whole Pileum, do you like it? I go? Uh?

1539
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: All I meant was I think that there's a way

1540
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 1: that like when when someone as a grown up gets

1541
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: interested in hunting and fishing, there's like oftentimes there's these

1542
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: initial things that seem immediately palatable to someone. Yeah, I

1543
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: get that, And birds would be that. And there's a

1544
01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: lot of people who wouldn't do other stuff, but they would,

1545
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 1: like they're comfortable, you know, catching trout and letting them go,

1546
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: and they'll shoot a bird, but that's about like as

1547
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: far as they're that's about as violent as they want

1548
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: to get. Yeah, I feel like I know people like that,

1549
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: but you don't feel that way. No, I don't think so.

1550
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, you know, i'd have to. I

1551
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:21,839
Speaker 1: like to think anyway, that I would have to experience

1552
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: it to see if it's for me or not, you know,

1553
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: instead of trying to guess if i'd like it or not.

1554
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I don't. I don't have

1555
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: a um. If you're asking if it's like a some

1556
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: kind of moral um, you know, I can kill small

1557
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: animals but not big animals because they're big and furry

1558
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: or something like that, I don't have that. No, that

1559
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: was what I was asking. I get that, I understand that,

1560
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: and I know that that exists. But um, maybe I

1561
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: get out there and I wouldn't want to do it.

1562
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never tried it, you know, but

1563
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm interested in it and I like to meet, so

1564
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: i'd like to. Dave's growing a garden too, so I

1565
01:25:55,520 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: feel like he's just he's now he's just words of

1566
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: the land. Yeah, yeah, the whole New Dave. You've taken

1567
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: up gardening. I did New New Gardener Gardener's Garden before,

1568
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: but it has been a long time. What what speaking

1569
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: do you do You feel in your head that there's

1570
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: a connection between gardening and and fishing and garden hunting

1571
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: and providing. Yeah, as far as providing your own food,

1572
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: making your own food in a certain way, I do

1573
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: see that connection and I like that activity. I'm not

1574
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: much of a romantic gardener and I gotta spend hours

1575
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: out there. I don't really get a lot of joy

1576
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: from the process of keeping it up. I do. I

1577
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: do like it, but it's not like I wouldn't say

1578
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: it's a hobby for me. It's simply just to get

1579
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: the food out of the ground. Maybe that's more of

1580
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: a farm like it's like transactional. Yeah, I think so.

1581
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean I get it. I like the process of it,

1582
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: you know. But I I feel like the people I

1583
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: think of as gardeners are very much gardeners. Does that

1584
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: make sense, Like they're know, it's like an art form

1585
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: for them, and I don't have that with gardening for me,

1586
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: you know. But I do really enjoy going the food

1587
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: and and uh bring it inside. And what I've seen

1588
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 1: when those two paths crossed though, and boy did this

1589
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 1: guy reaps some freaking products. It was in It was

1590
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: in old town Fort Collins, Colorado, and the neighbor there

1591
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: was no yard. He might have had a little side

1592
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: yard with some grass, but pretty much the yard was

1593
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 1: this his garden, but it was run like a farm,

1594
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 1: and I think he I think he was a son

1595
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 1: of maybe potato farmers out of Ida something like. He

1596
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: was definitely came off of farm. But I mean he's

1597
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: the only guy I've ever seen any gardener for that

1598
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: matter that like when stuff got planted, there was the strings,

1599
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, running down the whole thing, and this thing,

1600
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't know it is maybe forty by forty ft

1601
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,520
Speaker 1: or something like that, but I mean, just like everything

1602
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: packed in deep, and like people would walk by, they

1603
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: would definitely come and do the loop when they were

1604
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: walking their dogs. It was going for the neighborhood walk

1605
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: to walk by this guy's garden because when it was

1606
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: going off, it was just so impressive. And I feel

1607
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: like that guy he definitely wasn't like a gardener because

1608
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: that was like his thing, but he did it to

1609
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: such a level that you would have thought he was

1610
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: became a gardener. Yeah, just reaped. Yeah. I think I

1611
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: was thinking about a lot late, like why because I've

1612
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: always gone way out of my way to make sure

1613
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: to have some sort of garden and I think there's

1614
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: a big part of like forcing your will. I would

1615
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: never tell this to my garden, but there's like a

1616
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: thing about like forcing your will upon something like I

1617
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: almost have this sort of adverte like I have like

1618
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: this almost adversarial like this land wants to be grasped,

1619
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make it tomatoes. It's like I am waging, yes,

1620
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: like I am waging a sort of battle. It's not

1621
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: always loving. It's not always loving. It's sometimes is anger

1622
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: and like retribution, and like it's not loving. Parts of

1623
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: it are. Parts of it are um like I am

1624
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: the reaper and I am the sewer playing god. Our

1625
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: mornings are starting to like you can feel there a

1626
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: little bit cold, right, So I I made the decision

1627
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: to impose my will on my tomato planets because I'm

1628
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 1: starting to fear that the payout that I've been awaiting

1629
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: patiently until now, it's not going to happen. It's not

1630
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,919
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So I went out there with my shears

1631
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: and just cut them way back, so they put all

1632
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: their energy into that's the theory, right, do you make

1633
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: me fruit? Now? Yeah? I am the sower. I am

1634
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 1: the I didn't the wrong order earlier. I am the

1635
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: sewer and I am the reaper, and I make the calls. Here.

1636
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: He got that little box that you can be that guy.

1637
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,799
Speaker 1: To contrast that, I have a planner, like above ground planner,

1638
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: and I put a bunch of stuff in there, and

1639
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: no matter how I tried, the squash is taken over.

1640
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: It's like, screw you, Maggie. Like I'm killing everything else

1641
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: and I'm happy for the squash with man, am I

1642
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: sad for everything else in your garden? Oh yeah, So

1643
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: my spin ine is gone, I lettuce is going, and

1644
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like every day like I'm kind of like

1645
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 1: resentful to the squash right now, even though it's like

1646
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: so happy that I gave it a spot, but it

1647
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: likes screw you. You know how we feel about winners.

1648
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask about Minnesota winner being people like

1649
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: non residents of Minnesota, right always look at Minnesota being

1650
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: like such a polar, terrible place in the winter, and

1651
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: you know it's being someone from Minnesota. I love winter

1652
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 1: like it's like in my I was gonna ask if

1653
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: you liked it, because it's like something that I look

1654
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: forward to every year and everyone gets so sad about summer.

1655
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: But man, do I freaking just summer? There is is

1656
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure that general favorite, but man, it's hot and

1657
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: humid and buggy, and it's my least favorite time to

1658
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: be out, you know, in the woods or whatever. But

1659
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: spring and fall and not in winters. I think winter

1660
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: is great. I'm always ready for it. I'm you know,

1661
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: I when it's on its way, I get super excited

1662
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: about it, and I'm always ready for it to be done.

1663
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,839
Speaker 1: When it's done, I just like I like the progress

1664
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 1: of the season's I think I'm always really excited about

1665
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: the next one. My grandpa was a pathologist at one point,

1666
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: um in Minneapolis when he came out of Creighton Medical School,

1667
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: and and his first job was as a pathologist in Minneapolis.

1668
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: And and uh he described, um, Minneapolis summers is when

1669
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: the old Scandinavians die. Yeah, there's a certain pride there.

1670
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, you guys pretty cold out here in

1671
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: the winter too, you know, I would say it's not

1672
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: definitely Yeah, it's maybe a different kind of culd too.

1673
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're at this dude. Uh, there's this

1674
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: guy fished with for this. We have the fishing show

1675
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 1: called doss boat and this, And we fished with a

1676
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 1: guy I know from Michigan named Grant Galie, and he

1677
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: were at his house where he grew up. Like his mother.

1678
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: He was born in the house. His mother was born

1679
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: in the house, maybe his grandmo. They've been there here forever,

1680
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: like they got all these wooden crosses where they buried

1681
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: all these dogs over the years. Yeah, it looks like

1682
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: a like a dog arm ageddon, but it was spread

1683
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 1: out over a long time, like a like a big

1684
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: pet cemetery. He was showing me this old man across

1685
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,719
Speaker 1: the road. Who's this lonely old man? And the guy

1686
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 1: had tilled up this patch of ground and planted all

1687
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 1: flowers and this patch of ground, and he expressed a

1688
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: grant that he felt as though, um, women would stop

1689
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: to admire these flowers, and that he would use it

1690
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: as in to talk to him. Did you say if

1691
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: it had worked. I don't know if it had worked.

1692
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: He had just there was this big patch of flowers

1693
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: and that's what he had expressed. This. The same dude

1694
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: told me these two other like a couple of other

1695
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: stories where um, he was telling me about these friends

1696
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: of his redown in Iowa and in Iowa. If you

1697
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 1: should hit a deer with your you can't blood track

1698
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 1: a deer onto someone else's property without permission. So his

1699
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: body hits a deer and the deer's bleeding like holy helmet,

1700
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:41,440
Speaker 1: gets over a fence and he goes around to the

1701
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: guy and says, like, do you mind if I tracked

1702
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: my dear onto your property? And the guy won't let

1703
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: him do it, but he knows the deer's gotta be

1704
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 1: dead because how good he hit it. So he goes

1705
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: and gets uh game warden to come out and help

1706
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: him with the whole situation. And the game warden gets

1707
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: the landowner who won't let him go on his property,

1708
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: and they're having this little conference and they go over

1709
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: to the fence line where the blood trail vanished, and

1710
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 1: the game warden says to the landowner, he says, I'm

1711
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 1: gonna follow this blood trail, and this blood trader will

1712
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 1: better end at a dead deer and that dear better

1713
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 1: not be gutted. And the landowner turns him and says, um,

1714
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: let's just go to the barn already there it was

1715
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: a very nice buck dead in the dude's barn. Yeah,

1716
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 1: the guy got it, got it for him. I guess

1717
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: I have to take it back, right. I'm sure that's

1718
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: not even I mean, it can't be common, but it

1719
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: probably happens. It was a good story, man, he told me.

1720
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: He also told me, Um, we're standing and I'm like,

1721
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 1: no ship. Your mom was born in this house, you know.

1722
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: And he said the biggest party I have ever been

1723
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 1: to that I've ever even seen in my entire life

1724
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: was right here. And he said he said it was

1725
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: the parking at his party when his mom was out

1726
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: of town. He equated it to the county fair. This

1727
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: is the guy in Michigan, Dude. I'm gonna tell you

1728
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: the last story, he told me, Um, and then you're

1729
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to get out your guitar. The last story

1730
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: he told me, it was there's some duty knows like

1731
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: I could be I might mess up. A part of

1732
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: the story was basically, a guy had a boat stored

1733
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 1: at a place Okay, and he doesn't pay his boat

1734
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 1: storage fee to the point where he owes four thousand

1735
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: dollars for storing the boat. But the boats more valuable

1736
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: the boat storage owner. Um, besides, he's gonna sell the boat,

1737
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 1: but it's to get his money back. But the boat's

1738
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: worth a lot more than four dollars. My friend comes

1739
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 1: in to catch and argument where the owner of the

1740
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 1: the original owner of the boat is saying, if you

1741
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 1: sell that boat, I get every dime over what I

1742
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: owe you, and my boy is saying the boats power

1743
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 1: was like nine tho. So the guys like, sure, sell

1744
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: the boat, get your four back, but the five is mine.

1745
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: And the argument gets so heated that the guy turns

1746
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 1: around and sells my body the boat for exactly the

1747
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: amount of the guy owed him. Sells it for four Yes,

1748
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 1: just as a must, just stick it to him. Yeah,

1749
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 1: and then he fished that boat for years. I haven't

1750
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: messed up any grand stories, but I might have messed

1751
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: that one up. But it's basically the groove of that story. Yeah,

1752
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 1: that's that's a great This guy has wonderful You should

1753
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: write songs all these things. I'm telling you, write a book.

1754
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: It sounds like you should write a song called um

1755
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: the boat deal, the boat and the flower bed the

1756
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 1: pet cemetery. That is the whole damn album. It's like

1757
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 1: a beautiful landscape. Okay, uh, can you get out your

1758
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: guitar now? Yeah? I want people to hear yeah, sing

1759
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 1: with me? No, yeah, a little I'm kicking. H What

1760
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 1: what you need to do if you're if you're up

1761
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 1: for it? Okay, how scruciating is this? I mean, I

1762
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 1: don't I don't care, man, because this is how what

1763
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: you gotta do. Man, this is music in the time

1764
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 1: of COVID. I don't mind. You have to first play

1765
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: a little teeny snippet of Maggie's favorite one of Megan's

1766
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: favorite tunes. Okay, right now, have you ever done snippets before?

1767
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: I know, I don't what you know what I did

1768
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: do snippets once? We got asked to play at a

1769
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins baseball game, and we would play thirty eight

1770
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 1: seconds or whatever whenever they have a picture change or

1771
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: they go to somewhere else. The point of us being

1772
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: there was to sing take me out to the ball game.

1773
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 1: But we did all these little and it would be

1774
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: a little little speaker there in a voice would come

1775
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: in and be like four seconds and we have to

1776
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: figure out how to stop the song, and anottle song

1777
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 1: with no rehearsal, because if we had no idea of

1778
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,839
Speaker 1: the time, they wouldn't say you're playing for thirty five seconds.

1779
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: They just say you play until the guy gives you

1780
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: the warning. But the hook was that you were gonna

1781
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 1: do a great version of a great arousing rendition of

1782
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 1: take Me out to Them. And it was super fun.

1783
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: But I grew up a lifelong Twins fans, so it's

1784
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: kind of a little kid moment for me. You know.

1785
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: We got to we actually got to do the national

1786
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: anthem at one of the playoffs games there this year two,

1787
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 1: which is the scariest thing I've ever done in my life.

1788
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 1: I think maybe should do that. Oh my god. That's

1789
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: the problem with it is I'm not really physically able

1790
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 1: to sing that song, but I you know, went for

1791
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: it and it worked out okay, I think, But it

1792
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 1: was it's a lot of pressure on that song in

1793
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:57,719
Speaker 1: that environment. You know. Um, you know the band's Silver Jews.

1794
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, he's got a great line, he said,

1795
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 1: is all my favorite singers couldn't sing. He's kind of

1796
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,439
Speaker 1: a talkie singer. Uh yeah, I said it when he passed. Man,

1797
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: it was a great band, yeah, he kind of. Yeah,

1798
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: just not longer. I I mean on that band maybe

1799
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: five years or something. Band we were on the road

1800
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,640
Speaker 1: with us, playing some of their music backstage, and like

1801
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 1: this is great American Waters, like American Water. I think

1802
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 1: it's one of the Yeah, that's cool. It's twenty best

1803
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: albums Country band like that. Okay, Midnight on the Interstate. Okay,

1804
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you gotta say. Can you say this one

1805
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 1: goes out to Maggie? All right, this one's from Maggie.

1806
01:39:44,120 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 1: You said this one goes out to Maggie. No late

1807
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:17,879
Speaker 1: night night on the Interstate. And I didn't feel so

1808
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 1: great until I saw the city and I was younger

1809
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 1: and open like a child. Man. It's been a while

1810
01:40:48,920 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 1: since I felt that way. More and more hesitate because

1811
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. Does that seem like a snippet? Oh?

1812
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 1: That was great snippet. Okay, the medley continues. All right,

1813
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: here's winners. I can remember it. There were dreams on

1814
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: a full moon night, black hole in the middle level

1815
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:47,280
Speaker 1: light and feels's times, and we were feeling all right,

1816
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:57,799
Speaker 1: and we were breaking down the wall a dirty little basement,

1817
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 1: intellect you guitar, sound of the river in the pines

1818
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: and the star. We drank a little too much here,

1819
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: we take it too far. Well, but most of us

1820
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: ride so much coming out there's nothing going in with

1821
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:34,560
Speaker 1: your skirt above your knee and your murderous grin. I

1822
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 1: tell me that you're not leading. You're standing there so

1823
01:42:55,560 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 1: literal and free, writing pretty poems and ruining me. It

1824
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:13,600
Speaker 1: took a little time of baby now see at the

1825
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: end is always near. And I was sleeping on a

1826
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:27,600
Speaker 1: couch where the shivering dog practice in my speeches and

1827
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 1: steady and along. Nothing in the cover but a hammer

1828
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:40,759
Speaker 1: and a saw and some nails to drive it home.

1829
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: So much coming out there's nothing going in. Yeah, I

1830
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: can write it down, but that would be a sin.

1831
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:17,320
Speaker 1: And you know how I feel about sitting. But Charlie's

1832
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 1: on stage in the roof make laps. No one seems

1833
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 1: to word about the light and the gaps of the

1834
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 1: walls painted yellow in paper with mats. Nevermind us, It's

1835
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:44,600
Speaker 1: time to move on. A pretty little city built on

1836
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 1: a hillside. It's music in the bars and fire in

1837
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 1: the sky. So we went to the beach and it

1838
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: was covered in ice, and I used to call it

1839
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:14,960
Speaker 1: home so much coming out there's nothing going in. Yeah,

1840
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: I know that you feel like you're never gonna win

1841
01:45:20,640 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: all but the world won't forgive winner all right, made

1842
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 1: it through. Thank you, how awesome man. Thank you very much. Man,

1843
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:15,679
Speaker 1: that was beautiful. Okay, So you didn't make any jingle

1844
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: off this performance tonight today this morning, I said, you know,

1845
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: how do people support you? Everybody just got a free song.

1846
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: Everybody just got a free song. So how do how

1847
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: do fans support you? Right now? If if a fan

1848
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: wants to support they can they can head over to

1849
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:33,839
Speaker 1: my website at dead Man Winter dot com or trampled

1850
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 1: by Turtles dot com. Um, take a look at the

1851
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: store and see if there's anything you like. Um and

1852
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,759
Speaker 1: and and you know what we're talking about with streaming

1853
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 1: before it helps too. So if you you know, whenever

1854
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 1: you throw that on there, it's it's all. It all

1855
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,240
Speaker 1: adds up, you know. And then what what what are

1856
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: you most proud of right now? Like if people wanted

1857
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 1: to go check you out, what should they to get

1858
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: the most current snippet of what you're up to? What

1859
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 1: should people go listen to it? I put a solo

1860
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 1: record out just under my name, Dave Simonette Simonette, however

1861
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,719
Speaker 1: you want to say it, um, yeah, that I released

1862
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,840
Speaker 1: at the end of March, so I never really got

1863
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: to do anything with it. It never The told tour

1864
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: was canceled. Um oh yeah, I mean yeah, so that

1865
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: march didn't happened. It's called Redtail and you can check

1866
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 1: that out if you like. Do you did? You figure

1867
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: you just wait a few years and try again and

1868
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,559
Speaker 1: re release it. It's kind of on pause right now.

1869
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,679
Speaker 1: I think maybe I don't know. No, I mean, it's

1870
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: it's out if you can't take it back. But I

1871
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:29,760
Speaker 1: only pick it up and tour it when you can

1872
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 1: tour it exactly. I hope to make up the tour. Yeah,

1873
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: so Redtail is a good thing for people to go

1874
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 1: listen to. What what what's the like? If people are

1875
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 1: interested and Trampled by Turtles? What's like? What's the like?

1876
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 1: The thing that you'd most eagerly point people to? I

1877
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 1: usually like the newest thing, So for me it'd be

1878
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: I our latest record, Life is Good on the Open Road,

1879
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: which came out a couple of years ago. Okay, so

1880
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 1: I should check that out, please do. Are you on

1881
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 1: social media? Can people find you on social media? Dave? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at Dead Band Winter and TBT dluth for Trampled by Turtles.

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Speaker 1: Are you active on there? Yeah? Kind of you put

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Speaker 1: hunting pictures on there? You good for you? Yeah? Thanks

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Speaker 1: again for coming in. Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate the song.

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Speaker 1: Its beautiful. I really appreciate all of it, fishing trip, everything.

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Speaker 1: It's been a it's been a great couple of days here.

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Speaker 1: We'll good come back. I will thank you.