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Speaker 1: we really appreciate it. All Balls of place where you know,

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Speaker 1: generally we keep you a basketball I've done, We've done football.

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Speaker 1: I I encourage you to look through the archives. Teacher

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Speaker 1: Hush Benzato was amazing, amazing, share with this his story. UM.

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Speaker 1: But you know, in addition to sometimes commentary about basketball

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Speaker 1: put some caution in it. Uh, you know, you look

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Speaker 1: the coming weeks. So the thing is this, um, this

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Speaker 1: what I do like to incorporate is long form interviews

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Speaker 1: with people that have Everybody has a story, right, get

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Speaker 1: colorful backgrounds. If you're a hoop guy and you hear

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Speaker 1: the name Max Good, You're like, oh yeah, am Max Good?

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Speaker 1: You're like, what is your what is your impression of him? What?

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Speaker 1: I am going to put this out there. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: This is one to keep the earbuds in. Um I

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Speaker 1: the legendary coach Max Good, Max um Man, it's been

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Speaker 1: even it's not even close. He's the best player that

425
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: ever played. That's me. Everybody's welcome to their opinion. And

426
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: mind's probably wrong, but I know, damn well it's right.

427
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: Why Why did it ended, Kentucky? Why did it end?

428
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: You know, listen to this. We had a president and

429
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: he's dead now, and I'm not terribly sad about that.

430
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: But he came in and he wanted he wanted me

431
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: to cheat, and Doug, I'm not going to try to

432
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: be you know what's the word? Uh? I mean holier

433
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: now and actually yeah, holier. And I've never cheated anywhere

434
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: I've been. Don't believe in it. I'm not gonna start

435
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: at the forty yard line and run a guy in

436
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: the end zone and be, you know, go on a

437
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: sixty yard gonna beat him and say I beat somebody.

438
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: You haven't beat anybody, You've oouth cheated them. You know,

439
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. There's no way I could coach the kids

440
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: I did and the way I did and cheat. They'd

441
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: be holding that over my head. I mean not, I

442
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have lasted a day. Let me tell you what now,

443
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: my wife is right here. I'll tell you what ended

444
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: my career coaching a you here, My grandson was in

445
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: the eighth grade at the time. He threw the ball

446
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: away in the game. I called time out. I said,

447
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: listen here, you little motherfucker, you throw the ball away again,

448
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break your fucking jaw. Now he was an

449
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: eighth grader. Now you know now that that you know

450
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: that there's no way that's acceptable, no way. And on

451
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: the way home, my wife let me, not so kindly, said,

452
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: my coaching career was over. You know, I'm crew coaching,

453
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: and uh, you know that kid calls me three times

454
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: a week, you know, because he's taught. He wants to

455
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: go to West Point and they'll be screwing up if

456
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: they don't take him. I'm not talking as a basketball player,

457
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: as a human being and as a tough kid. And

458
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean he goes on political marches, he did when

459
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: he was in the eighth grade. But just you know,

460
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: my wife's waving at me because I digress and get

461
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: off on these tangents. How long did this show? Does

462
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: it go to too this afternoon? Get whatever whatever you want?

463
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: We can we this is I want to. I want to.

464
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I want to get through mean and get to Vegas

465
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: and get to Loyal Merymount and get to thoughts. Now,

466
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: so you're you're allowed to digress. That's what this is.

467
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: It's just kind of want I want. I coached. I

468
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: went to m C I from Eastern. Well, let me

469
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: back up at Eastern Kentucky. We're the only team in

470
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: the league that made the final four four straight years

471
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: in our league to go to the conference tournament. And

472
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: yet we won nineteen one year and eighteen. That's the

473
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: most did won in back to back seasons in forty years.

474
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: And we were playing a pretty steady diet of West

475
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: Virginia's and Cincinnati's in Memphis States and Tennessee. And I

476
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: believe that I thought we could recruit a little better

477
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: player if we played against those kinds of teams. Well,

478
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: and we only had two non guarants, I mean to

479
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: guarantee games. Now a lot of teams will play four. Well,

480
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: the big difference between two and four. You know, you

481
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: can take out an eighteen win season and turn that

482
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: into two with those games. But anyway, the president wanted

483
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: me to cheat, and the a D told me that.

484
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not doing it. I said, there's no

485
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: way I'm doing that. I said, you need to get

486
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: somebody else in Well, they proceeded to get somebody else.

487
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: So I go to m c I. And we had

488
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: way better talent at m c I than he did

489
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: at Eastern Kentucky. So so this is N nine he

490
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: come back home Baigne. Now you hadn't been there in

491
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: twenty years, right, Okay, how did how did m c

492
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I become the place? Was? Was m c I a

493
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: basketball factory before you got there? A little bit? But

494
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: they didn't have a lot of discipline. And I don't

495
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: like to despare. And again that's what people told me,

496
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: and I don't like to rely on what people tell me.

497
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: They said the coach, would you know, he'd get a

498
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: lead and then he'd start sucking on a lollipop or something. Literally,

499
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: it was his the red oar back cigar, you know,

500
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: and we'd be one year we had Damar Johnson and

501
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: Karn Butler. Now those are two pretty good players for

502
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: a prep school team. Tom Consolski said, the two prep

503
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: school teams the last two years I was there. Another, Hey,

504
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: my last year, we had Eric Barkley, Kevin Braswell, Bobby Smith,

505
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: three point guards. One went to Villanova, one went to Georgetown,

506
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: went one one to St. John's, all three starters in

507
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: the Big East as freshman. That's how much talent we had.

508
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: And how did you get How did you get kids

509
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: to come to prep school and play for you and

510
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: get motherfucked in made you know what? He well, skip

511
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: to my Lula was supposed to come and I told him,

512
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: you're not coming to main stand on the street corner

513
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: Swington Do. I scared the ship out of lamar odom. Uh.

514
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: He was supposed to come, he didn't show up. I

515
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: called him. I'm at a Clippers game years later and

516
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: he saw me and came over. He said, the worst

517
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: mistake I ever made was not coming to m C.

518
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: I and uh because people had told him that, you know,

519
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: he would never he would never last there. Trevor Diggs,

520
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: who I had a U N l V, was supposed

521
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: to come and he wouldn't come. And Trevor told me

522
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: said he had a stuttering problem, which endeared him too

523
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: many people because he would always show up to prost

524
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: postgame interviews. And he said he'd say he came in

525
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: he could cook. And I'm not making fun of him.

526
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: I love Travis, he said, Coach. They told me they

527
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: wanted me to come to MC. Said I can't walk

528
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: there and play for that crazy motherfucker. He said. He said,

529
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I guess I got no choice now. I said, no,

530
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: you damn sure don't. But if you don't start playing

531
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: better defense, you won't be playing for me either. Well,

532
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: his last game in college, he had forty nine points

533
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: against Wyoming, who won the league. Now, that year we

534
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: couldn't go to the you know from U N l V.

535
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: When I took over and Billy Bano got Railroad, and

536
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: I think to this day, I don't think he should

537
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: have you know, gotten let go. But we we beat

538
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: Wyoming twice that year. It's the only two losses they

539
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: had in the conference. We beat him at third place,

540
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: we beat him at our place. And they had two

541
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: pros on their team, you know, and and uh. The

542
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: year before I got there, they had Tyrone Nesby, Keon

543
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Clark and Shawn Marion won seventeen games. And next year

544
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: we won and didn't have you know what, we had

545
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: Casper's Kambala. Yeah, well play both. I played both those teams,

546
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: both in Vegas. By the way, Hey, you let me

547
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: tell you how I You were my scout the second year.

548
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna guard the ship out of Doug

549
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: golt Leap until he passes it. Then we're gonna drop

550
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: off because he'll never touch the ball again a second

551
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 1: time in the possession. Was I accurate? Yeah? And I

552
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: know the year before you had a bookos assist. Let

553
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I saw you play at Laguna

554
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Beach on that half court, and I said, I don't

555
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: know that I've ever seen a bigger prick play basketball,

556
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: and like got it. You were cocky and talking ship

557
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: and they couldn't do anything with you, and you weren't

558
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: doing it scoring. You were doing it with defense, toughness

559
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: and passing. I was fascinated watching you play. I said, goddamn,

560
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: that guy's an asshole, but in a good way. Patrick

561
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: Beverley is a prick. Marcus Smart asshole and they got

562
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: on him because he jumped on Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Well,

563
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: he had to. Nobody else had nuts enough to say

564
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: anything to him. You know, they tiptoe throw the tulips slightly.

565
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: You know, they look like a Shetland ponies at a

566
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: stud firm, and Marcus Smart jumped their ass and justifiably so.

567
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: People in Boston don't like Marcus Smart that much? Are

568
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: they nuts? Cutting loose? And see how many teams in

569
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: the NBA will take him? Now? They might say, you

570
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: know you're not gonna shoot these crazy ass threes that

571
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: he has on time ship Marcus Smart will win games

572
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: for you, and uh, I had a pro scout telling

573
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: me that Marcus Smart he signed. One night in the game,

574
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown and Mark Eas Morris and him got in

575
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: an argument and Smart was in the game. He got

576
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: off the bench and threatened to whipball three. Of them's

577
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: asked right there, he said, I'll whoopball three. You fucker's

578
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: right here in front of God and everybody. They said,

579
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: I said, what happened? He said, they got correct. You know,

580
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: I love Marcus Smart and you know we went to

581
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. But he oh, those are the type of

582
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: guy I mean we talked about I talked about all

583
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: the time with people. It's like, you know, t J.

584
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: McConnell and and and and Delhi and all these guys

585
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: that are you know, undersized, Like, yeah, I'm making the

586
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: NBA unless you're a bad motherfucker, unless you think you

587
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: have to be the absolute toughest dude, you know, in

588
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: two states if you want to make it, and then

589
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: I make it in the NBA making college, Like you know,

590
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned J. J. McCollum Baron davis is

591
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: on one night and they asked him about J. J. McCollum.

592
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: They showed t J mc p J. Yeah, yeah, there's

593
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: a there's a J. J. And here in May who

594
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: coaches in Hell. I can't separate the two of them.

595
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: Ones in Indiana. Is McConnell still in Indiana or is he? Yeah? Yeah,

596
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: he just got hurt. He's after the year. Yet well,

597
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: you know he he picks up full court, the only

598
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: one he takes a charge in back court. You know,

599
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: he cuts off penetration forces, the past forces of turnover,

600
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: and Baron Davis says, I'm not impressed with that. Anybody

601
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: can do that well, last to damn point, anybody can,

602
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: but anybody won't well in in all honesty and look,

603
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Baron Davis was probably the most talented point guard out

604
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: of California in the last twenty five years. But the

605
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: reason he's not in the Hall of Fame, it's right there.

606
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, that's it. Hey, I tweeted about that. I said, yeah,

607
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people more can. I don't think anybody

608
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: can do that. It's not that easy to take a

609
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: charge garden a guy full court. You know, you've got

610
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: to make them change direction and uh, and there's you've

611
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: got to have good anticipatory skills, good footwork, and toughness.

612
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: When people say all it takes is you just gotta

613
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: hustle to play defense, that sells defense so short. That's

614
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: not true, you know, And and but I said, yeah,

615
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: that's exactly the point. T J mcconnor is it j

616
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: J again? Is it t J or JJ, TJ t

617
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: J McDonald JJ bare? But they might and they're they're

618
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: different than the JJ's score, But it's the same in

619
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: that they're they're they're unbelievably tough and smart and their

620
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: will and their will is is this greater than other people?

621
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: That's it. That's that's the point. People will pick an

622
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: all star team and said, well, I want Wilt Chamberlain,

623
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: and I want Jordan's and I want you know, and

624
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: they'll pick five all stars. I say, who in the

625
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: hell is gonna give up shots, who's gonna run the team,

626
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: Who's gonna get their ass back on defense? Jayson Tatum

627
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: is old talented, but about a third of the time

628
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: he every time he gets touched or breathed on, he

629
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: throws his arms up, runs at the referee, beers off,

630
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: and doesn't get back on defense, and they lay it

631
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: in on the heather and und Well, that's my thing

632
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: with with Jason Tatum is you know he wants to

633
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: be Kobe Bryant. Does he understand that Kobe Bryant was

634
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: a hardcore defender and the type of tough competitor that

635
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: that that the world has rarely seen. Like just because

636
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: you can get the ball and go one on one

637
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: and score and some of your moves look like Kobe's moves,

638
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: that ain't it. That's that's a that's his weakness. You know,

639
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: he thinks he can take You know, last night they

640
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: got beat in the game. They should have won. Hell

641
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: of Clippers don't have George or don't have Kwai Leonard.

642
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: And I love Kuai Leonard when he's healthy. I used

643
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: to argue, I thought he was a good a player

644
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: if there wasn't an NBA, And well he's a great

645
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: two way player. I said, that's why some he said

646
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is the greatest football player ever. Really does

647
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: he play a defense in baseball and in in basketball

648
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: you gotta play defense. Tom Brady might be the greatest quarterback,

649
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: although I don't think he's as talented as is Rogers.

650
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: But you can't take away how much he's won. But

651
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: to say he's better than Lawrence Taylor, please, you know,

652
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he said, and people get upset. Well, it's

653
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: not good enough. He's named the greatest quarterback. He's got

654
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: to be the greatest player ever. Well did his pay

655
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: grade go up another ten million because we can say

656
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: that about him? I don't know. I get I get

657
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: upset very easily. Sometimes I'll sign off. I said, as

658
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: time for this grouch, you old bitch to go to

659
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 1: bed yet. Okay, so how did Billy get you to leave?

660
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: Being central? She kind of had your own fief to him, right, Yeah.

661
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: The last two years there, Tom Concholsky said, we have

662
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: the best prep school team ever ever. He said, because

663
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: we had talent, plus we played harder than everybody else.

664
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: I can't speak to that. We had great talent. I'll

665
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: let somebody else judge how hard we played. I know this.

666
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: Those fuckers played harder. They didn't pledge. But anyway, he

667
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: I Billy talked, And I've been there ten years at

668
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: m c I. The first year I was there, Leonard

669
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: Hamilton's brought me to Florida State. Or wasn't Miami Miami?

670
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: I guess it was yeah, And I got off the plane.

671
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: It was ninety degrees and at Humidit d at ten

672
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: o'clock at night. I said, there's no way I can

673
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: live with the snow. We got three inches of snow

674
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: on the ground here in Maine from yesterday. But I

675
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: can live with that morning. I can extreme heat and humidity.

676
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, I uh, I've been there ten years and

677
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: we hadn't had a wreck, and we're driving the bands,

678
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: and uh, we we lose at St. Thomas Morland. I'm

679
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing a pretty good job of trying to convince

680
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: you I'm not quite all there. Well, we play at St.

681
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: Thomas More and we make one of our last five

682
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: free throws and they beat us by one. We drove

683
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't feed them if we got beat at

684
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: m C. I they didn't need after the game, I

685
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: didn't give a damn. If we were New Orleans, we'd

686
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: drive back from there, and we weren't ever in New Orleans.

687
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: I'd rolled down the windows and turn the air conditioning off,

688
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: so I I think the same cold and I didn't

689
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: need either, you know. And I'll tell you what they

690
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: learned to win games that they wouldn't have by not

691
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: feeding them after a loss, which you can't get away

692
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: with that, and probably shouldn't, but no, I guess I

693
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: got to remove them. Probably you absolutely shouldn't all substitute

694
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: absolutely from for probably, But but I know this, those

695
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: kids tell me all the time. Mike Boyd went to

696
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: West Virginis a coach. We won at least five games

697
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have if we if we'd gotten need after

698
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: a loss, you know, And that's I didn't need. So

699
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: so so, how did Billy convince you to go to Vegas? Well,

700
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: I've been there ten years and we hadn't had a

701
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: wreck in the bands, and I'm driving the vans, and

702
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: you gotta understand I probably drove them sixty two and

703
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: if we got beat, which we you know, our records

704
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: two d and ninety and twenty five, and we played

705
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: the vast majority of our games on the road, and

706
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: we didn't have the same officials. You know, you go

707
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: to St. Thomas More, you'd get to St. Thomas More officials.

708
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: They didn't reciprocate. They wouldn't play us at our place.

709
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: And I love Jerry Quinn. I think he should be

710
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Great coach, great person, couldn't standing. Uh.

711
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: We coached together in Indiana, and I'm gonna I'm gonna

712
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: get back on what you said. He's rooming with me,

713
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: and he comes in. He's got wide wale chord rays

714
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: on birken stops and some of those big gray socks

715
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: with red tops. Takes his pants off, and he hasn't

716
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: got any drawers on. I said, my man. Yeah. I

717
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: immediately started really liking him. I love him today, and

718
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: we're very close, you know. I through Tom Kinshawski, who's

719
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: a saint. Tom Kinshawski said, you know, I would talk

720
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: to him for a half hour, and when I got

721
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: through with him, I felt more whole and more decent.

722
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: And just by talking just through osmoses of talking to him, Well,

723
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: I got a good friend in Kentucky and coach. He said, Well,

724
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: if he makes you feel more old, you need to

725
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: call him every half hour. He said, you could use that.

726
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: But Billy, you know, we I was afraid we were

727
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: going to have a wreck. Did the odds were against us,

728
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: you know, because I would drive ninety miles an hour

729
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: back home. I'd be so mad, you know, and they

730
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk. Hey, we lost it. We played down at

731
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Fletcher Eric's tournament. We got beat at the butt. We

732
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: had a kid hit a shot to put us up

733
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: for and and he came in and the referees got

734
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: together and they came running, and I said, oh, this

735
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be He said, coach, we got even with

736
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: a fowl before hit the basket. They looked up at

737
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: the scoreboard. Well, hell so now all of a sudden

738
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: we're up to and he's shooting a free throw and

739
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: he misses. And they had a kid Dean that went

740
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: to I want to say North Carolina State, Virginia. He

741
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: was harolding. Yeah, he comes down, he charges, and then

742
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: to keep him stepping on our player steps over his knee.

743
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: It's a three. I went down. I put my fist

744
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: through a wooden door that was about three inch or thick.

745
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: Broke my hand. I broke my hand six times in

746
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: ten years at m c I, and that was the

747
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: only one we lost. I broke it five times in

748
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: Winds in ten years. But I just I thought, well,

749
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, I need to get out of here before

750
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: we have a wreck. And I cause it by my

751
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: insane behavior. You know, I'm certified, and I know it.

752
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: You know I don't have any problem with it. I

753
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: don't know that I'd let me coach one of my

754
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: own kids, So you know I can come to grips

755
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: with that. So so uh, Billy said, so Billy convinced

756
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: you hate You haven't had a wreck yet. Get out.

757
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: You didn't say it, he said, you know you need

758
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: to get out of there. Well, why I loved him?

759
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: Ce I I I mean I made the same amount

760
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: of money the first year as I did and ten

761
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: years later and they did a seven page story on

762
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: us in Sports Illustrated was most flattering, talking about how disciplined,

763
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: how tough, how you know study halls they weren't allowed

764
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: to act up or act to fool or I'd walk

765
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: around campus and step in the rooms and I just

766
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: you know, I had an Airdale Terrier and Koran said,

767
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: damn that door, don't need step in need say oh, Jick,

768
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: and I'd I'd say, hey, if he gives you any trouble,

769
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: you let me know. I got the answer for that.

770
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: It's a four o'clock a m practice. And uh, and

771
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: you know I felt like Boss Cartwright and what does

772
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: Bonanza or whatever the show he was on. I was

773
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: ahead of my thief him. But I made the same

774
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: amount of money ten years later. I never got a race,

775
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: and I could care less about money. When I took

776
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: over at l m U and and and you will,

777
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: they called me in they said, what do you want

778
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: to do about Sarah. I said, hell, you can cut

779
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: me ten thousand dollars. I didn't come here to be

780
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: the head coach. Of course, my wife wasn't too happy

781
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: about that, you know, because I threw a lot of

782
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: money away. But but I didn't care about that. But

783
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: I went with Billy, and of course he puts me

784
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: in charge of fast break, offense, defense and discipline. Discipline.

785
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 1: I said, now, Billy, I'm all, I'm all too well

786
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: to you know. I'll be glad to do that, but

787
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: you know that really should come from you. And Billy

788
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: was the nicest guy. And he said, I know how

789
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: I was when I was their age, and I just

790
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: have a hard time justifying being this hard on him,

791
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: knowing how I was at their age. And uh, but

792
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: I I love Billy Banham and he was a far

793
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: better coach. And people realize, but whoever heard of given

794
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: assistant coach from a prep school? The discipline he listened

795
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: to this story. Casper Scambala, who I think you remember?

796
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: He looked like the damn Russian and Rocky he said, Coutch.

797
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: I heard, you're pretty tough, I said, Cass. I'm a fat,

798
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: old white man, old white man. He said, I'm not

799
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: tough at all. I hear if you're tough, and if

800
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: you come, we will sooner or later we will fight,

801
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: I said, cast and then if that happens, you'll whip

802
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: my ass. But understand this, Sooner or later you're gonna

803
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: fall asleep. And when you do, I'm gonna do. You

804
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: have an ice pick and one fucking ear, and the

805
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: point's going to come out the other and will be

806
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: eaten with a drool cup and in a wheelchair the

807
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: rest of your life. Well, they put that in ESPN,

808
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: the magazine. He told Mark Dickles. He said, Mark, this

809
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: man crazy. He's crazy, he said, I think he means that. Well,

810
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: we won one one time. We we wanted uh Colorado State. No,

811
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: we lost at Colorado State, and then we went up

812
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: and beat Wyoming. And when we got back, Billy said,

813
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: anybody you know, we'd gather up before we got our study.

814
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: Anybody got something to say? I said, yeah, I got

815
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: something to say, and I threw my coat. Now, I said,

816
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to fight every one of you cocksuckers. I said,

817
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: you bitch made punk ass And and uh there was

818
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: Dave Callis was a cop there, and some lady said

819
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: she called special security. She said there's some middle aged man. Well, god,

820
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: I want to kiss her for saying middle age is

821
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: threatening to fight the U n l V team. He said, no,

822
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: that's coach good and he's justified. And I said, Cass,

823
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: I want to start with you. You're the one I

824
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: want first. Right now, we'll go through the whole team. Well, hell,

825
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: I walked home from the airport to Thomas and Mack.

826
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: I had two bags. I'm walking down over the hill

827
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: with bowlers and the bus transport and the players is

828
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: they drive by and they're staring straight ahead. Well I

829
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: get there. Trevor Diggs came in and dick on. They said, coach,

830
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: I said, Fellas, I shouldn't have said that. I was

831
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: on the line. No, you weren't on the line. If

832
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: you care that much, I guess we should start. And

833
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: we won seven straight games and went to the n

834
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: C Double A after that. Now I am not trying

835
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: to make a connection between the two. Maybe if I'd

836
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: have been a little more you know, accepting earlier than that,

837
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: we might have been on fifteen wins in a row.

838
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: But Billy came down and thanked me. He said, no, coach,

839
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: you should have done that. You should have done that.

840
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: He said, although it's a good thing, we don't have

841
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: tape on it. You get arrested, We get arrested. So

842
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: so here's my here's my cast for Gamebot. By the way,

843
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: Mark Dickle, I had last weekend. I took my team

844
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: to Vegas, but I had a game Saturday, Colorado State

845
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: against they play St. Mary's. So I had actually fly

846
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: to Denver, drive to flour Collins, then flew back. So

847
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: I I was gonna get coaching kids in the morning

848
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: and then fly and our we we got our games

849
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: with the afternoon. So Mark Dickle actually coached for me,

850
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 1: and and you want, some of the nicest guy ever,

851
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: and my kids loved him anyway. So but but I

852
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: told Dickle this story that my the year before you

853
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: got there. We're playing Vegas. And as you point out,

854
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Simmons was super talented. Uh, Brian Keith was course

855
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: coach in the NBA Sean coach Brian so um Uh.

856
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: And so the game, it's it's like five minutes ago

857
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: when we're up double double figures, it's a wrap and

858
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: we're at the free throw line and Casper was like,

859
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: well do you getting into tonight? And I was like what,

860
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Like I'd never never had a conversation with opponent ever

861
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: over like what we're doing after the game. And I

862
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: was December and we had had a miserable game at

863
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: Craighton where we all you know, I wanted to transfer.

864
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: I didn't start the first half or the second half,

865
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: and I had fifteen assists and one turnover and coach

866
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: still brought me out the bench because I was in

867
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: the doghouse. And anyway, so he's like, what do you

868
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: what do you guys getting into tonight? Were like, what

869
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like we go out, Okay, We're

870
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: going to the Circle bar at the hard Rock, right

871
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: that's the only place we knew. So we met about

872
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: how we went out and we went and I and

873
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: I've never seen a college basketball player drink that much.

874
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: And but he was he was unbelievable, like he was

875
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: he wanted he wanted to kill everybody when he played,

876
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: and then he'd hang out with you after the game.

877
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: And he did the same thing the next year we

878
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: beat you. It was like we go out tonight. They

879
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: were like, this guy is unbelievable. I'll tell you I got.

880
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't if I got. If I got smoked on

881
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: national TV. I'm going out with anybody, hanging out with them,

882
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: pretend like we'd like each other. No fucking way, No,

883
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: he said, Coach, we played by the rules here, I said.

884
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: Cast The fact you're saying that tells me we don't

885
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: get the funk out of here. I don't want to

886
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: hear all that bulleishit. You know. I didn't look the

887
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: other way, but I just didn't get involved in that

888
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. I I can't stand that.

889
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: If you got it, I just don't like it. And

890
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I got so much respect for

891
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: Coach Sutton. I said, Andrew Williams played for me. M

892
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: C I who up the state and I called coach

893
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: Sutton because the judge was the assistant. And yeah, yes,

894
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: the judgment, for people who don't know is Paul Graham.

895
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: He of course wanted to be the head coach at

896
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: Washington State. And he was a high school coach in Dallas.

897
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: I think he retired this year. Last year, pauls a jim. Anyway,

898
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: go ahead and see you're talking to Paul. You're talking

899
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: to coach. He talks me into taking Andrey Williams. And

900
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: the guy that helped him was the guy that was

901
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: helping the kids at Kansas. But anyway, so Andrey comes,

902
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: and Andrew's blocking every damn shocked. And I had Wesley

903
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: Wilson on the team, a seven foot kid that went

904
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: to Georgetown, had a much bigger name. But Andrey was

905
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: much better player. I mean, he fit in way better

906
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: with our players. And uh. I called Paul Graham. I said, Paul,

907
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: you under rated this fucker. I said, you need to

908
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: close your door. I said, this motherfucker blocks everything that wiggles.

909
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: He plays harder than shipped. I can't shoot, but knows

910
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: it and doesn't try to. I said, he will be

911
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: a bitch for you. Just couldn't he couldn't see, and

912
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: he couldn't catch exactly. And you know what, he had

913
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: an s a t of liket and a g p

914
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: A of about one point nine. Yeah, very right, too bright,

915
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: but he you know, he uh he didn't do well

916
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: in school, and he didn't care about it really. He

917
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: just you know, he wants he had he had, and

918
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: he had a really really terrible upbringing, tough up, but

919
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: but he was he was the only here's here's something

920
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: no one's ever heard before. Okay, So we called him

921
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Andre Sutton. And the reason we called him Andrea Sutton

922
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: was that kid was a freshman. We had seven seniors,

923
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: and he could get away with ship. None of us

924
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: get You don't understand, right, So it was so uh

925
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: my senior year. I'm sure you remember Jimmy Williams us

926
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: another gem, right. So Paul Leaves gets the head coaching

927
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: job at Washington State and Andre comes in anyway, and

928
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy Williams, the son of John Williams, is our assistant

929
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: coach and Jimmy's great Now Jimmy is not. Paul was

930
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: more negative and would would He was the only guy,

931
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, he the assistants with dog custy coach never cursed,

932
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: and and Jimmy was getting onto Andre, and Andre turned

933
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: him clear his day and said, Jimmy sucked my dick, motherfucker.

934
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: And he's like, suck my dick, and we're like what like, like, look,

935
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of ships in my life. I

936
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,959
Speaker 1: have never ever thought of telling a coach to suck

937
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: my dick ever like that, Like there's there's lots of

938
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: gray areas. Ship that is way over the like we

939
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: all and you know, it's like one of those. All

940
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you could hear a pin drop in Gallagher, Riva.

941
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: We're like, what is coach can do? And and coaches

942
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: made him go run the stairs and we're like then

943
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: he came back into practice and we're like we were

944
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: just like what the what do we just see? How

945
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: did that? How did that happen? How did he He

946
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: just told a coach the second stack and all he

947
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: had to do is run the steps, Like, dude, I

948
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: want to do that. If I did that, I would

949
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: be I would I would just pack your ship, go

950
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: to California. We'll let you know if we need write that.

951
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: And that was It was unbelievable, So Dre, and I

952
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: don't know it is because of how tough his upbringing

953
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: was or how hard because we were hard on him too,

954
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: because that fucker couldn't catch, but he could really play,

955
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: and and uh that was That was Andre Williams, and

956
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: he again he was like he was like coaches Coach's

957
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: other son. You know. He had Sean, Steve Scott and Andre.

958
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: That's how we looked at him. Oh so that's that's

959
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: Andy fucked up. And he funked up the Oklahoma game.

960
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: Co We had a nine point lead last gaming old

961
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: Galaghariba and Coach puts him in for me because he

962
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: thought they'd start fouling me because I couldn't shoot free

963
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: throws like Andre can shoot free It was Andre. He

964
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: dropped the ball like three times a row, you know,

965
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: and he just sucked up. But man, he could block

966
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: some shots and he could catch when when he caught it,

967
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: he could dunk on. He was he'd be great in

968
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: the dunker and if he worked on it. Once he

969
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: got once he got his eyes, I didn't got some

970
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: new glasses because he had those when he came in

971
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: he had those Kareem goggles and then he and then

972
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: he'd get mad at him and take him off and

973
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: he couldn't see anything. He was like Mr McGoo um.

974
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: But once he got the eyesight thing, he was he

975
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: was a hell of a player. He was really really.

976
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: He comes to practice one morning of course. Now we

977
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: had phones, two phones in the hallway. This is before

978
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: cell phones. And if they rang after ten thirty, I

979
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: told him those phones w off book. I lived in

980
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: the dorm. I lived in the damned dorm with him,

981
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: and other people were bitching about having to live in

982
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: a dorm there. I said, hell, I'm fifty five and

983
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm thriving on it. There's no way you could have

984
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: coached those kids. I had at him, say unless you

985
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: were with him twenty four hours, so the phone would

986
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: ring after ten thirty, I'll just get in the hallway

987
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: and I'd say five thirty, fellas, and we'd have a

988
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: five thirty am practice. So he comes down to practice

989
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: one day and he's got blue jeans. He said his

990
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: stuff was wet, his practice gear was wet. I said, motherfucker,

991
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: we're playing tomorrow, and you're not playing unless you practice.

992
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: He had boat or dop shoes on. He took his

993
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: blue jeans. I pulled him up and pinned them and

994
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: proceeded to block about six shots in a row. But

995
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Andrea would come in my room. See I'd cuss him

996
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: in practice, but I'd cuss him in games. But then

997
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: at night he'd come in my room because he have

998
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: be in bed at ten thirty. He'd come in there

999
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: in about eleven. I'd say, now, Andre, you get your

1000
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: long goofy asked to funk up and get out of here.

1001
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: He ain't standing in here. He was just trying to

1002
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: stay up. See he was find a way to beat

1003
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: h I loved him. You know, he was like a

1004
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: hound dog. You didn't know that scratching behind his ear

1005
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: or kick him in his asks, but you know he was.

1006
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: He started one time to say something back to me

1007
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: because I went on a dialogue or a monologue. It

1008
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: wasn't a dialogue. For about a minute and a half

1009
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: he got ready to say something back. Charm Butler reached

1010
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: around him and cupped his hand over his mouth and

1011
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: and you know, so he wouldn't say anything. And uh see,

1012
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: Karen had great leadership. And his story is incredible. You know,

1013
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: he was the rest of fifteen times by the time

1014
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: he's fifteen years old. Well, he wasn't on him, but

1015
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: he sold him. He got caught with a magnum of

1016
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: three fifty seven and you know, a bunch of cocaine

1017
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars in his pocket. There was a

1018
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: cop there in in Racine that really liked him because

1019
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: he was amazingly honest and opened. He and I when

1020
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: he called he called me three times and never called

1021
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: collect and that was very unusual. Now I snuck him

1022
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: into him c I if they had known this from

1023
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: through past, they wouldn't have let him in. And I

1024
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: told I told the admissions person, I said, I'll take

1025
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: the heat for this. Well, I knew they weren't getting

1026
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: rid of me. We'd won two hundred and nine games

1027
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: and lost what was what was karn? Like? How did you?

1028
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: How did how did he straighten it out? Because now

1029
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: he's you know, coaching, he's one of the most respected

1030
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: for players in the NBA. Like you say, you know

1031
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: touch Jews and you never have a problem, not one

1032
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: problem with him. Now listen. I picked him up at

1033
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: the airport. I said to you, butler, and he said yeah.

1034
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: I said, how many bags you've got, boy? He said four.

1035
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: I said, good, that'll take you two trips And I

1036
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: went back out on the van. Well, he comes out,

1037
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: he takes two trips. I didn't offer to help him.

1038
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: He starts to get in the front seat and I

1039
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: got a Narrowdale Terrier named Gentry. I named him after

1040
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: Steve Gentry, who was an unbelievable defender. Xavier He who's

1041
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: the kid that played at Indiana the left hand kid

1042
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: six seven Brian Evans. No, no, he he was a

1043
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: black kid. He was. He played He played for my

1044
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: dad from from Miami. I think he Charlie Miller. Charlie Miller. No, no,

1045
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: Charlie Miller went to uh he was from Miami. But

1046
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: I think he played at Kentucky. No, Charlie Miller was Maysville, Kentucky.

1047
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: They did have a kid, Charlie Miller from Masville. That's

1048
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: why Tom loved to call me Tom Contarls. She would

1049
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: call me. We talked for two hours because I was

1050
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: the only guy that he could talk to about the

1051
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: Ricketts boys and and say Hugo Green at New Game.

1052
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, because I was such a nerd, and you know,

1053
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember my own name. I had a bit

1054
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: of a time getting in this thing today. In fact,

1055
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't know. If my wife hadn't been here, I

1056
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't be enough. And probably you're thinking, well, I wish

1057
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: she hadn't got you in, But no, this is this is,

1058
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: this is amazing. Hey, we're going Calbercini, Calbercini, Calbert Chaney, Steve.

1059
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: That's where Gentry held him to three for nineteen and

1060
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: Bobby ninth told him he's the best defender he ever

1061
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: he ever had seen. He was the coach of Santa

1062
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 1: Herb Sundeck goes to Miami and he calls me, said,

1063
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: if you've got any more Steve Gentry's, I want all

1064
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: of them. He said, he took three charges in the

1065
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: backcourt Zigzagon. You know people, he was so good and

1066
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: tough defensively. But anyway, so Karen comes and he gets

1067
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: in the back seat and we're driving. He sees, uh,

1068
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: there's a Wendy's and he says it was some McDonald's.

1069
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: I got into a nice event last year and he

1070
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: came all the way from California to present me. He

1071
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: told his story and Uh, in case anybody thinks it's

1072
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: apocryphal or if it isn't the truth, he says, uh,

1073
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: I said to you hungry boy. And everybody's dropping their

1074
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: head because you know I called black kids boy all

1075
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: the time. It's a b o I boy. You know, hell,

1076
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: not one of them has ever said a thing about it.

1077
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: And the more I cust him out, the more they

1078
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: respect and like it. But anyway, I said, I'm not

1079
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: talking to you, motherfucker. I'm talking to my dog. And

1080
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: I didn't feed it. I didn't feed him. We get them,

1081
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: see I, and we're driving down. He said, doesn't look

1082
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: like this must to do here. We flew into bangor me.

1083
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: All he can see is a silhouette of the pine

1084
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: trees in the dark. It doesn't seem like there's much

1085
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: to do. I pulled that van over. I said, motherfucker,

1086
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: you want to go back to a scene where you

1087
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: had everything in the world to do and got absolutely

1088
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: nothing done. No no, I said, Well, shut the funk up.

1089
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: We get there and we call a practice for eleven

1090
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: thirty at night. I get him out of the dorm.

1091
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: I ran the dorm and he said, why we practicing

1092
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: to night? I said, because if I don't like the

1093
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: way you play, your ass is going right back to

1094
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: a scene tomorrow morning. I'll have you on the first

1095
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: flight the first thing smoking out of here tomorrow morning. Well,

1096
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: needless to say, he he was pretty good. He was

1097
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: really good, but very much a team player, very much

1098
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: a team No, you don't you listen, you don't have

1099
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: to sell me on the players. It's really amazing. Like

1100
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: he's he's a remarkable story and a remarkable guy who

1101
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: does not fit any bill for what you would think

1102
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: considering what his background was before that moment. He's very decent.

1103
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, I think in his heart he's he's thinking

1104
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: about running for governor someday. At Wisconsin, he told me

1105
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: Boogie he was with Boogie Cousins and Sacramento. He was

1106
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: kind of brought into, you know, to kind of mentor him.

1107
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: He called me, he said, coach, he's too much for me.

1108
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: He needed you because see I threatened to fight him.

1109
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: They're not gonna fight me. Goddamn. If you're threatened to

1110
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: fight the whole team, they're not going to do it.

1111
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: All over a couple of times, I think they kind

1112
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: of thought about it, but no, he said Boogie Cousins,

1113
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: he said he needed you badly. But anyway, I go

1114
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: to U n L. Be with Billy, and then I've

1115
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: been all over hell since then. I've never applied for

1116
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: any job I've ever gotten. Every job I've gotten, they've

1117
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: reached out to me. Now I end up in Pratt

1118
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: Junior College and Pratt, Kansas and uh Brad Miller on

1119
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: a podcast a couple of weeks ago. He said, oh, no,

1120
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: coach Goods coaching at some n ai A division to

1121
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: junior college and who nailed. He just likes to coach.

1122
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 1: He doesn't care about money, and he just like he said,

1123
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: what he likes to do is get somewhere where he

1124
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: can cuss people out. And they said, well on the podcast,

1125
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: he said, oh, on, on, on on, you couldn't have

1126
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: him on the poast, he said. He calls me a

1127
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago at three thirty in the morning

1128
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: and I heard him say I picked up the phone.

1129
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: He said, I told you to answer. I told you

1130
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: this crazy sombit and answer. I said, what the fund

1131
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: do you want? He said, coach, I want you to

1132
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: know I didn't like you very much. When I said

1133
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: m C. I I said, well, good, because I didn't

1134
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: like your ass at all. And then he said, but

1135
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: I did want to tell you this. I don't think

1136
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: I would have played at Perdue, and I know I

1137
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have played in the NBA if I hadn't spent

1138
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: that year at m C. I said, good, if you

1139
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: get a sportswriter there wherever you are good. Call let

1140
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: motherfucker and tell him I'm going back to midnight on

1141
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: the phone up. And I don't need to sleep at night.

1142
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't even sleep at night. I'm I got serious

1143
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: issues if you haven't figured that out already. But I

1144
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: love Brad Miller. God damn. He looks like Chris Stapleton.

1145
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: Now he's got a hair half the way down his back,

1146
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: and he got he during the All Star break. He

1147
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: comes to a game at UNLB and I had him

1148
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: talked to our team alfter the game and he starts,

1149
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: does he get mad to spit all over you because

1150
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: he broke his hand yet and sling blood all over you?

1151
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: I said, Brad, Brad, Brad, No, I want you to

1152
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: come in here and talk about the virtue of hard

1153
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: work and this funk hard work. He said. They tried

1154
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: to get me to come in this summer and work.

1155
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: I went in there one day and made twenty six

1156
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: out of thirty three. He said, get those non shooting

1157
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: guards ass in here and teach them out of Jude.

1158
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't need this yet. Oh. He was a stubborn. Stubborn,

1159
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: but you talk about a guy that had basketball like you.

1160
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: He was a six one guard and Indiana grew to

1161
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: be six nine between his sophomore and junior year. But oh,

1162
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: I love Brad Miller. Now he was a path that tougher,

1163
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: tougher now to thank you, thank you? Yeah, him and

1164
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: him and him and Brian Cardinal, those those two guys.

1165
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I had Chad Austin and Chad Austin

1166
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: said they'd play Michigan and who is the tractor truck

1167
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: trailer would come out there and he'd start talking smack.

1168
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: They'd be on the produced side of mid court, stretching,

1169
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, just to get in their way. Cardinal said, hey,

1170
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: fat boy, get your ass to funk across that line.

1171
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: And he said, I'm gonna kill you tonight. He said,

1172
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: you big, stupid sucker. He said, I'll take three charges

1173
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: on you before halftime. You won't get shipped done and

1174
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: shure up he did, but it would happen. He's taught

1175
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: more shipped to these, you know, multitalented players. But taking

1176
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: charges and being tough, those are skills. Coachability is a skill.

1177
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than a talented player without toughness to

1178
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: meet there useless, useless. I don't think you can win

1179
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: with them. I don't think you can win win with them,

1180
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: and you just get frustrated trying and thinking, well, sooner

1181
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: or later they're going to figure this out. Sometimes they do,

1182
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: but most of the time they don't because everybody's kissed

1183
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: their ass from their inception period. The first time they

1184
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: made it right and looked down, lay up everybody's you know,

1185
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: sucking their dead and tell them how wonderful they are. Correct.

1186
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: But it couldn't have said any better. Um, I want

1187
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: to do this. I want to do this again. I

1188
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: want to end this is part one. Can I call you?

1189
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: We do it again one morning next week. Oh that's fine.

1190
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: If you're hey, if you're people that follow you, don't

1191
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: call in say, don't have that stupid ignorant hill billy

1192
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: back on here. I wear my ship with it with honor.

1193
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: I know the type of these are all our type

1194
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: of people that are driving around. I can't say how

1195
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: many assistant coaches I have that they're out recruiting and

1196
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: they listen to Pod and they just this is what

1197
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: they want. Stories, they want basketball guys. I was on

1198
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: Zoom once with Arnold he will you was at St.

1199
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: Joe's and they have like twenty coaches on there. I'll

1200
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: tell you I'm really close with this. Uh. You know

1201
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: Mike Procopio. You worked with Dallas, he was a worker.

1202
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: I know him, I don't. I don't know him. I

1203
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: know you ought to get him on. You talked about crazy.

1204
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: I get down to watch Dallas play one night, and

1205
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to cut me off because I'll keep

1206
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: talking even when you disappear. I get down there and

1207
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: dirt and which he comes over. He said, hey, Pro

1208
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: they called him Pro for Procope. Should I bet I

1209
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: can hit him threes in a row from this corner.

1210
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: He said, I don't give a fuck. Few makeup thousand

1211
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: in a row. You can't run up and down the

1212
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: floor three times without your knees buckling and you break

1213
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: in your leg. He said, they got a time you

1214
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: with a fucking egg timer. Well, Lyn Brea comes over,

1215
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: he said, Pro, I bet you Swiss five in a row.

1216
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: He said, hey, Midget, the fucking midget legs three doors down.

1217
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: That's how. That's how Sweets talked to him, And oh god, damn,

1218
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: I love him. He's crazy. Almost everybody I associated with

1219
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: this crazy, Well, then I would like to associate with you.

1220
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: That's that's that's that's what people had day story real quick. So, uh,

1221
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: last so I'm coaching last year and I get my

1222
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: code vaccine and we're playing a team I had. They

1223
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: were seventh graders at the time, and there's one team

1224
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: that we just couldn't fucking beat. Our kids just got

1225
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: so mental against them. And we're leading the whole game

1226
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: and then you know, we take help bat shots. It's

1227
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: like six and like bang bang to no calls when

1228
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: on our and and the other end is like touch

1229
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: fouls and uh it gets to ten and then we

1230
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: turn it over and gets the third team and I

1231
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: just lose my ship on this official because you know,

1232
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: it's like AU tournament, the guys not making a past

1233
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: half court and it's literally two different games. You know,

1234
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 1: that's the frustrat Like at one end, it's tightly officiated.

1235
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: You know, when when we're on defense and we're playing man,

1236
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: they're playing the zone while the fun you're to teach

1237
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: and thirteen year olds play zone, I'm not sure they're

1238
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: playing zone and it shouldn't be should That's terrible of course.

1239
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: So so anyway, so I turned, I turned, and I

1240
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: just motherfucked are you fucking kidding me. You're gonna call

1241
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: that fucking value. Didn't make it past fucking half sucking court?

1242
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: Am I asking that much for a game? You should

1243
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: get your fucking ass pass half court and at least

1244
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: take it. Thank you for these kids, right, So what

1245
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: part of it is? I had that vaccine the night

1246
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: before the day before, and I couldn't sleep, had a

1247
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: steering headache, and I just lost my ship. And I

1248
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: motherfucked this guy up and down and he calls two

1249
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: technical fouls whatever, and I refused to you know, you

1250
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: get a technical ful, you're supposed to sit out, and

1251
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking sitting down, right, So we get down

1252
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: with the game and I go up to the guy

1253
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: and I go, look, man, I apologize. I just lost

1254
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: my ship. You know, we we haven't beaten this team.

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Speaker 1: We should have beaten him. I didn't think they were

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Speaker 1: too particularly good calls. But it's like we're all the same, right,

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Speaker 1: We like in the moment, we're crazy as fuck, and

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Speaker 1: we we have a point that we're trying to make,

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Speaker 1: and it's the right point, just with you gotta have

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Speaker 1: that crazy dream. And I think some of that crazy

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Speaker 1: genie is really good in in sports one gyms are

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Speaker 1: allowed to You gotta break through to the kids. The

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Speaker 1: kids you say, pretty please, pretty please, they just don't

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Speaker 1: do it. They just don't. No one's ever done that

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Speaker 1: where you go, hey please, pretty please? Right? So, um so,

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Speaker 1: I I completely understand the idea of being seen as crazy.

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Speaker 1: You're not crazy, but you that crazy gene that or

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Speaker 1: that switch that you'll flip, that'll be crazy. Everyone saw

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Speaker 1: Billy Han Billy Han alday says every coach and after

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Speaker 1: a certain amount of dribbles, and it varies from coach

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Speaker 1: to coach, they totally lose their mind. He said, I

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Speaker 1: just want you to know, for you, it was long

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Speaker 1: to fuck ago. I said, you're a good one to

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Speaker 1: talk and see. I never got on officials. Now this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be my last story. I'm gonna take it

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Speaker 1: off off. I got Katina Mobili who was a still

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Speaker 1: playing his ass off and that big three, well he plays.

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Speaker 1: He comes down. I never got on officials at m

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Speaker 1: c I. They already thought they weren't capable of making

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Speaker 1: a mistake. They'd had no ability to be critical of themselves.

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Speaker 1: So he comes down and they call it walk. Well,

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Speaker 1: he puts the ball on his hip and does a

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Speaker 1: three sixty and lions on his feet. No, no, no, motherfucker,

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Speaker 1: get the funk out of my game. I said, you

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Speaker 1: don't want to be a basketball player, you want to

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Speaker 1: be a thespian. So after the game he said, coach,

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Speaker 1: you can call me all the copsuckers and motherfucker's you want.

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Speaker 1: I ain't no fucking lesbian. Hey, hey, and Katina will

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Speaker 1: tell you that that I'll sign. I hope you're still

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Speaker 1: on the air tomorrow. We'll still we'll, we'll we'll still

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Speaker 1: be on the air. Actually the best. We'll do part

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Speaker 1: two soon. Thank you. Okay, if you thought that was

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Speaker 1: not safe for work, there were some things that were

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Speaker 1: edited out right, but generally that's an unedited form of

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Speaker 1: of Max Good. That's part one. He's promised to join me.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not going anywhere. He's probably to enjoin me.

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Speaker 1: For part two, we'll have Steve Lapis. If you didn't

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Speaker 1: listen to part one, that was awesome, Well Steve laps

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Speaker 1: part two next week. I can't tell you how much

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you listening. Remember the download, subscribe, rate, writer, review,

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Speaker 1: all the those things help us out, help us get

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Speaker 1: you better content, and I think it will make me

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Speaker 1: a little bit more money. In the meantime, enjoy the

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Speaker 1: hoops good ones. This weekend, we'll talk some Lakers why

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Speaker 1: they're a mess. We'll just try and put together the

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Speaker 1: real tears in college basketball, some of the storylines, like

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about why the PAC twelve I

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Speaker 1: believe starts off so far down this year but will

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Speaker 1: end up being just fine, although it won't be judged

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Speaker 1: a stuff such once they get to March. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to all that in an upcoming episode. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Max Good and for you for listening. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed that. I sure did. I'm Doug Gottlie.

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Speaker 1: This is all ball