1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Diversion podcasts. This episode contains descriptions of graphic violence and 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: scenes of genocide. Listener's discretion is advised. Meo had gotten 3 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: a step closer to the Butcher. He'd come back from 4 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: the road trip to the plantations in the Brazilian jungle 5 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: thinking he was making progress. The Butcher was starting to 6 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: trust him. Neo sat down to write a report to 7 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: your Reeve. He was expected to fill in his boss 8 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: with every major development. At the same time you know 9 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: was drawing up his report, things were starting to heat 10 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: up with the Statute of Limitations, which was the whole 11 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: reason for the mission, to stop Germans from giving Nazi 12 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: killers a free pass for their atrocities. Here's Abner Abraham again, 13 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: the former Massad agent and historian of the agency. I 14 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: mean it's you compared for examples to be Latin. In 15 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: September eleven, it was a revenge but in the mossadoh 16 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: and they decided to kill someone and the Plume Minister 17 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: confirmed this target. It was to prevent him and to 18 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: prevent mortal attacks and more killing of Jews. That that 19 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: was the idea. I'm Steven Talty and this is good 20 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: assassins hunting the butcher. So it's the first month was 21 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: to find a nasty a briging forward trial. The second 22 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: part was to find a Nazi and killing. We must 23 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: thwoat the shining losses. He hadn't of a trail of 24 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: blood and horror, the end of a man whose name 25 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: will be written in informating episode six. The kill team. 26 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: By the end of the world was waking up to 27 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: the fact that the Germans really intended to go ahead 28 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: with the amnesty, so the Jewish resistance was stepping up 29 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: their efforts to try and stop it. To Via Friedman, 30 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: the Nazi hunter, who had met with the German Justice minister, 31 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: was giving interviews in Israel and encouraging world leaders to 32 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: speak out. He was keeping an eye on Germany, hoping 33 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: to pressure and shame its politicians into stopping the amnesty. 34 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: As the cause gained more traction, protesters appeared on the 35 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Soon they would spread 36 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: all over the world, from New York to London. Freedman 37 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: was good one on one with his eyewitness accounts of 38 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: the Holocaust. He could persuade people. Earlier, when the head 39 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: of the Socialist Party in Germany came to Israel. Freedman 40 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: went to see him in the lobby of his hotel, 41 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: and Israeli security agent spotted Freeman coming through the front doors. 42 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: The agent hurried over, almost blocking Freeman from making it 43 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: to the elevators. The guy was pale, nervous. He thought 44 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: the activists was up to no good. The agent asked 45 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: of Freeman was there to assassinate the German leader. Freedman laughed, 46 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: guy knew his reputation, but Freeman told the agent that no, 47 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: he was just going to talk to the politician. The 48 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: agent let him pass. Freedman went upstairs and made his 49 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: presentation to the German official. It was powerful stuff. A 50 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: few hours later, the Socialist leader agreed to oppose the amnesty. 51 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: Was another small coup for Freedman in this campaign to 52 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: sway the German government. Importantly, another much more famous Nazi 53 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: hunter joined the cause, Simon Wisenthal. Visenthal had barely survived 54 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: World War Two, having been imprisoned in four concentration camps 55 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: between in he was in a Polish camp when his 56 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: commander decided to celebrate Hitler's birthday by executing fifty four 57 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: Jewish intellectuals, one for every year of the Feurer's life. 58 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: Enthal was chosen to be one of them. He listened 59 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: as the others were shot before the killers came to him, 60 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: though someone called his name. One of the Germans had 61 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: convinced the commander that Visenthal, who was an accomplished artist, 62 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: should paint a poster of Hitler instead of being murdered. 63 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: He was led away from the pits and later escaped 64 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: from the camp. Visenthal made it through, but he lost 65 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: his family. Weeks after the war ended, he was already 66 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: hunting down Nazis. That quest would occupy him for the 67 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: rest of his life. Visenthal did everything. He spent months 68 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: digging through archives. He staked out apartment buildings waiting for 69 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: ex Nazis to show up, and unlike Friedman, he made 70 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: friends in high places, recruiting politicians and celebrities to his mission. 71 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: He'd had some major successes. When Anne Frank's diary became 72 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: a worldwide bestseller, some Austrians claimed it was a fake. 73 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: They said that Anne Frank had never existed, and they 74 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: challenged Wisenthal to find Carl Silberbauer, the man who had 75 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: supposedly arrested her. Resenthal went to work. After months of 76 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: searching in which Wisenthal spent hours coming through Nazi records 77 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: and Dutch phone books. He found Silverbauer was working as 78 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: a policeman in Vienna. Visenthal exposed him, and silver Bauer 79 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: admitted that Anne Frank had indeed existed and her memoir 80 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: was truthful. It was a major blow to Holocaust deniers. 81 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Visenthal tracked down Eric Jakowitch, who had been in charge 82 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: of putting Jews from the Netherlands on the trains to 83 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: their desks. Visenthal found Jakowitch living in Italy, where a 84 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: Catholic bishop had helped the Nazi even let him live 85 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: in a local convent. By the early sixties, Jackowitch was 86 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: a millionaire several times over and living a comfortable life. 87 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: Visenthal uncovered his past, and the Nazis picture appeared on 88 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: the front pages of newspapers all over Europe. He went 89 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: on the run, first to Switzerland, then to Germany, but 90 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: Visenthal wouldn't give up. He found him again, and finally 91 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: the killer gave up. He was thrown in jail. So 92 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: Simon Wiesenthal was good at what he did. He was 93 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: a master publicist, self promoter, but he was just as 94 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: obsessed with finding the men and women responsible for the 95 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: genocide and bringing Nazis to justice. You're not just married 96 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: to me. Visenthal's wife used to tell him, you were 97 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: married to the six million. The further ist cause. Reisenthal 98 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: had even become a massad operative. The agency sent him 99 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: an allowance a few hundred dollars a month to help 100 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: with his quest. Here's Wisenthal explaining the significance of the 101 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: Statute of Limitations after that time, via then we will 102 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: find new people. They commit crimes. So I find new 103 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: evidence about people. They are free. They cannot bring them 104 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: for justice in Germany. And this mean thousands. This means 105 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: thousands of people because we lost eleven million witnesses Lake Friedman. 106 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: Simon Visenthal went to meet with the Justice minister in 107 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: Germany about the coming amnesty. He wanted to know what 108 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: would happen if the statute went into effect. Around six 109 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: thousand men had served at Auschwitz, only a tiny number 110 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: of them, less than one percent had even been brought 111 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: to trial when the statute went into effect. With the 112 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: rest I'll go free. The German minister avoided the question. 113 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: He started talking about the billions of Deutsche marks in 114 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: reparations that Germany had paid to survivors. Visenthal seethed. He 115 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: wasn't there to talk about money. He's there to talk 116 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: about punishment. It was once more a case of I 117 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: was simply not speaking the same language I told him 118 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: he had, Minister, the murderer of my mother and the 119 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: murderers of many of my relations and friends have not 120 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: been found yet. I don't even know their names. I 121 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: am a dressing the Minister of us. This is not 122 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: definance Minister. I recognized the Federal Republic's financial efforts, but 123 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: surely they cannot be a substitute for efforts to achieve justice. 124 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: I have come to you as a very specific question, 125 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: what happens after me eight? That was the date the 126 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: amnesty was supposed to go into effect May eighth. The 127 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: Minister didn't give Resenthal and answer. In fact, he was 128 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: starting to sound slippery on the whole issue. Did he 129 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: support the amnesty or didn't he? He told Recenthal it 130 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: wasn't up to him to decide. The Nazi Hunter wasn't satisfied. 131 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: He decided to launch a pr campaign to let people 132 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: around the world know what was going on. Reasenthal was 133 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: brilliant at that kind of thing. He had the kind 134 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: of marketing skills the vision the two Via freedmen blocked. 135 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: Eisenthal wrote an open letter condemning the statute. He called 136 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: the amnesty an unprecedented injustice towards the millions of victims 137 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: of Nazi brutality. Once the murders knew they would never 138 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: be prosecuted, Easenthal wrote, they would link arms with other 139 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: enemies of liberty. They would spread their propaganda and poison 140 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: to the young people of Germany and then abroad. Visenthal 141 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: was broadening the issue beyond the Holocaust at the West 142 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: Germans that the killers of six million get away with it, 143 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: the world would be a far more dangerous place for everybody. 144 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: Visenthal sent the letter to famous people in Europe, America 145 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: and elsewhere. The great American playwright Arthur Miller signed it, 146 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: as did a Nobel Prize winning physicist, The future Pope 147 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Benedict sixteen announced his support. His own cousin, who had 148 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: down syndrome, had been murdered by the Nazis. Dozens and 149 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: dozens of others joined the campaign, artists, pol Titians, religious leaders. 150 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: Even Robert Kennedy was still recovering from the assassination of 151 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: his brother JFK sent a telegram moral duties. It read 152 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: have no term. Robert Kennedy came out against Germany's planned amnesty, 153 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: but the efforts of the two Nazi hunters, Freedman and 154 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: Wisenthal were in the winner of nine four, having little 155 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: effect in Germany. Opinion polls there still show the statute 156 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: was popular the numbers they weren't budgeting. The two activists 157 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: believed they were losing the fight, which could make Massad's 158 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: Zuker's mission that much more important. It was the final 159 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: piece that could sway the debate. A last shot. Neo 160 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: wrote out his report on his trip with Sukers to 161 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: the plantation. When he was finished, he took a business 162 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: letter that he had already typed out and copied out 163 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: the report in invisible inc inserting the text between the lines. 164 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: Then he folded the letter, put it in an air 165 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: mail envelope and send it off to his boss your 166 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: reeve in Paris. Meal's use of invisible ink intrigued me. 167 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: It's something that, of course I've seen dozens of times 168 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: and spy novels and movies, but I kind of assumed 169 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: that in real life invisible ink would be a bit 170 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: too crude for sophisticated agency like the MASSAD. So I 171 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: checked with an intelligence historian named h. Keith Melton, and 172 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: turns out it was actually a widespread tactic at the time. 173 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Invisible links have been used for probably a thousand years 174 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: or thousands of years, going back ultimately to Limon juice. 175 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: And you know, if you take a limon juice right 176 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: a secret message between the lines and then hold it 177 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: up to a flame, you can see it becomes visible. 178 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: So the standard component of all invisible aks is the 179 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: ink itself, and the reagent is the way you make 180 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: it visible. And services developed extraordinarily complex secret inks. But 181 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: you could create a secret eak out of salava, out 182 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: of water. You could use it out of diluted blood. 183 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: You could use it from sperm, you could use it 184 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: from bodily fluids. Secret ease can be made out of 185 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 1: a variety of things. Water is probably one of the 186 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: most interesting because just water can later be detected by 187 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: intelligent service. In general, invisible ink has fallen out of 188 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 1: use today, but according to Melton, that might be the 189 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: very reason not to discount it entirely. The Russian Service 190 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: quit searching and quit teaching skills for secretings around the 191 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 1: year two thousands, so as you use belfore then, but 192 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: sometimes tradecraft becomes so forgotten about it and so old 193 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: it becomes usable again. But there's no one's looking for 194 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: And I don't believe the U. S. Coastal Service has 195 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: a capability to the sect secrets anymore, where they certainly 196 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: would have had that fifties sixty seventy years ago. Back 197 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: to me O, he now had a much better feel 198 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: for Zookers, what might work getting him to another country 199 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: and what wouldn't. In his report, he wrote that the 200 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: plantation trip had been worthwhile because he was conditioning Zookers 201 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: to get comfortable with longer and longer trips away from home. 202 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: This was key. He couldn't just bring a flight to 203 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: say Chili on the butcher. He had to build up 204 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: to that slowly, step by step, to make sure that 205 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: suckers would follow him wherever he went. There was also 206 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: the question of the assassination method. Massad had many ways 207 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: to take someone out, what they called targeted killings. In 208 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: nineteen two, when the Egyptians began building rockets at a 209 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: facility in the desert called Factory three three three, Basada 210 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: knew the missiles would eventually be aimed at Israel. They 211 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: mailed two package bombs to the factory, killing five workers there. 212 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: Later they were book bombs, one of which targeted a 213 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: plo operative named Bassam Sharif. Shariff survived and we were 214 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: actually able to find a tape of him discussing the incident. 215 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Uh that was allowed to day. That morning, when the 216 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: book came to me, the mailman said, well, you have 217 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: a book and it's stamped. I looked at the envelope. 218 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: It was opened. The envelope was opened and the book 219 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: was protruding out and stamped by the Lebanese government. Checked 220 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: clear from explosives. So I was relaxed a little bit. 221 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: And the moment I opened that time, you know I 222 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: discovered it. It's part of a second. I've seen the 223 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: explosive two charges. They have hold of the book and 224 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: put two explosive charges one and another that action and 225 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: one and then down, so that they cut me into 226 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: three pieces. In my head. I was standing. That's why 227 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: my managed to probably the Palestinian poet and terrorist Mohammed 228 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: Buddha opened the door of his car parked on the 229 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: Paris street. Massad had planted a pressure activated bomb underneath 230 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: the driver's seat. As soon as Buddhia sat down, it 231 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: went off and Buddhia was killed. Other targets of Assad 232 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: simply disappeared. That's what happened to one German scientist, Heinz Krug, 233 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: who's helping Egypt build those missiles in the desert. He 234 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: worked out of Munich. MASSAD sent the surveillance team there 235 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: to learn Krug's movements. Then, early one evening, crew received 236 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: a phone call from a man pretending to be a 237 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: friend of the Egyptian general who's heading up missile program. 238 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: Something important had come up, and the man requested a 239 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: meeting at the Ambassador Hotel in Munich. Krug suspected nothing. 240 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: He went to the meeting and met the man, who 241 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: was actually a MASSAD operative. They discussed business. The next day, 242 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: the operative picked him up for another round of discussions 243 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: brought him to a villa in the suburbs. Krug going 244 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: into the villa expecting to meet one of the Egyptian commanders. Inside, 245 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: there was a MASSAD team waiting for him. They hit 246 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: him on the head and put him still alive in 247 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: the secret compartment inside a v W camper. He was 248 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: driven to Marseilles, France, sedated, put on an airplane, and 249 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: flown to Israel. Their Kruge was roughed up and interrogated. 250 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: After spilling his secrets over many months, a Massad agent 251 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: was ordered to take him to a deserted area north 252 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: of Tel Aviv to kill him. Krug's body was then 253 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: loaded aboard and Israeli military plane and dumped into the sea. 254 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Some Massad assassins used handguns, though the cliche method a 255 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: rifle fired from a long distance never seemed to be 256 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: part of their repertoire. One PLO man was shot by 257 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: a guy driving by on a motorcycle. Another target was 258 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: pushed into traffic was killed by a passing car. There 259 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: was even a target who was dosed with radioactive material 260 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: and later died years later. Another suspected victim of Massad, 261 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: a scientist who doubled as a colonel in the Egyptian Army, 262 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: fell quote unquote from a balcony in Alexandria. When Egyptian 263 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: police entered his apartment, they found the gas had been 264 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: turned on and there were cuts in the scientist's arms, 265 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: both signs pointing to a suicide attempt. Massad had made 266 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: it look like the man had tried to kill himself 267 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: three different ways and finally succeeded. It had all the 268 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: hall marks of an Israeli hit. Massad didn't claim responsibility, 269 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: because Massad never claims responsibility. I wanted to let you 270 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: know about something we're trying. We've set up an email 271 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: address for listeners to send us your questions about the show. 272 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: Are you curious about something you've heard on Hunting the 273 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: Butcher and want to know more? Is there something I 274 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: haven't covered that you wish I would. I want to 275 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: hear from you. Record yourself asking your question. The voice 276 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: memos app on iPhone works well. 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So Meo had options for the assassination method, 285 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: but he hadn't made up his mind on which was 286 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: the best way to go, how should it be done? 287 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: What would be the safest way? A bullets from a farm, 288 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: perhaps poisoning, maybe a point blank shot in the back 289 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: of the head. He had to know more about the 290 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: butcher before he could decide. With his report completed, Meo 291 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: got back in touch with Suckers. The butcher proposed another 292 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: scouting trip for Coonsla's tourist business, this time to a 293 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: town on the Brazilian coast called Santos. Meo jumped at 294 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: the opportunity. A plan was starting to form in his head, 295 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: a plan for the death of Herbert Suckers. He wanted 296 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: to test out a couple of ideas for it, so 297 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: he told Suckers they would check out the market for 298 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: rental homes in Santos, get the prices, see how many 299 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: were full this time of year. If it looked good, 300 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: his company might start investing. Neo drove with Suckers to 301 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: the coast and got a room at a nice hotel. 302 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: The next morning, Neo set up a routine. They would 303 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: find a rental home that was on the market and 304 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: a range of visit. They talked to the owner, see 305 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: what the properties were like and how much they were 306 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: going for. Zuckers thought he was helping kunz La out 307 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: with his business research. He did some interpreting. He spoke 308 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: good Portuguese. Had Mio actually been looking to make investments, 309 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: Suckers would have been pretty useful. One of the ideas 310 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: Mio had for the assassination was to bring the butcher 311 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: to a house in another of the South American countries 312 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: and have the killed team waiting there for him. It 313 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: would be private, safe, and it would give the team 314 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: time alone with Suckers to read him his sentence. This 315 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: option had a lot going for it, but if the 316 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: plan was going to work, Meo had to train Sukers. 317 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: Walking into strange houses had to be automatic for him. 318 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: After Santos Zuker suggested they hit another beach town, Portelegre. 319 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: Suckers was having a good time. Mia was paying all 320 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: the bills, nice restaurants, good hotels. It was like a 321 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: preview of coming attractions. If he could get on board 322 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: with Kunsla's company, this would be his life from now on. 323 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: He liked it. Meo was buttering up the butcher. You 324 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: have no idea how glad I am we met, I 325 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: told the butcher. It must have been the faiths that 326 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: brought us together. You are at home here, who know 327 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: the South American language and how to do business here. 328 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: Mio agreed to meet Suckers and Portelegre a few days later. 329 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: They traveled there separately. After Meal checked into their hotel, 330 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: he went to Zuker's room. He knocked on the door, 331 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: then he got a shock. Some seconds passed. Suddenly the 332 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: door of us pulled open to reveal Ukers standing there, 333 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: a gun in his hand. The snake is always on 334 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: his toes, I thought, I pointed as the gun, I said, 335 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: half jokingly, So what is it? But you're scared of me? 336 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: If you had a long nose, then I would have 337 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: a good reason to be scared. Zuker said, anyway, one 338 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: must always be on the alert. He returns the gun 339 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: to his pocket. Neio tried to laugh it off, but 340 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: he could see that the butcher was actually nervous. It 341 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: wasn't a good sign. Neo drove around Portle Gray with Zukers, 342 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: looking at houses. At one point, Zuker's was in the 343 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: passenger seat talking about tourism when Mio heard him mention 344 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: the name Joseph Kramer. Meo managed to keep his eyes 345 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: on the road. He controlled his breathing, showing no reaction, 346 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: but inside he was reeling. Joseph Kramer. Most Jews who'd 347 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: lost people in the Holocaust knew the name. The Belson 348 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: War criminals arrived at Lunaboug for trial. Their faces gave 349 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: a little clue to what they're thinking. Last out of 350 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: the lotty is Joseph Kramer, the Beast of Belson. The calm, 351 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: orderliness of the scene contrasts violently with the ghastly pictures 352 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: which shocked the country when they were shown in British usually. 353 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: Kramer was the infamous East of Belson. The former commander 354 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: of the concentration camp Auschwitz, broken out to hundreds of 355 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: thousands of Jews had died under his watch. He personally 356 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: selected Jews for death. In fact, he seemed to enjoy it. 357 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: Kramer was known to have been exceptionally brutal to the 358 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: Jewish prisoners, sometimes whipping them until their skin flayed off 359 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: leg suckers. Cramer had denied everything after the war. He 360 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: told prosecutors the stories about him were quote products of 361 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: the Jews imagination. Kramer was captured by the British tried 362 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: in the months following the end of the war and 363 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: what's known as the Belson Trial. Kramer was convicted and 364 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: sentenced to death. He was hanged on December thirteenth. Meo 365 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: kept driving, but his mind was going a mile a minute. 366 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: Why would Suckers bring up Joseph Kramer. He hadn't even 367 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: been talking about the war. He just dropped it into 368 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: the middle of a boring little monologue about some topic. 369 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: Meo only half remembered. It was just strange. It was 370 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: as if the Butcher was testing Meo in the language 371 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: he would understand only if he were someone other than 372 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: Anton Kunzla, if he were saying a double agent. Couldn't 373 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Suckers be speaking to Meo and a kind of code 374 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: saying I know why you're here, and it isn't to 375 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: make money. Neo couldn't be sure, but he was worried. 376 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: Back in Paris, Josef your Reeve had been busy. It 377 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: was his job to recruit the rest of the team 378 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: that would fly to South America to join Meo and 379 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: carry out the sentence on the butcher body men a 380 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: kill team. When your Reef was done, he dissembled an 381 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: intriguing collection of men. If you saw them walking down 382 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: the street, you wouldn't have thought massad, assassination squad. They 383 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: didn't seem like guys that were going to be sent 384 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: halfway around the world to take care of a notorious murderer. 385 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: First it was your Reeve himself. He was a pretty 386 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: unusual choice for the chief of an intelligence unit. Your 387 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: reef died. I went to Israel to speak with his daughter, Leehy, 388 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: and she described him to me. My father was a 389 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: very sensitive person, full of maybe contradictions, if you can 390 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: say that. On the one hand, he was a bohemian 391 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: person and his best friends were artists in theater players, 392 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: and he had a great sense of humor. You know, 393 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: if you heard his laughter, you couldn't stop love with 394 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: him together, and he saw everything is a very humorous thing. 395 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, he used to tell me, 396 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: not everything is a joke. I don't think that everything 397 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: is a is a game or a joke. Just take 398 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: it seriously. So on the one hand, he was very serious. 399 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: He was the most reliable person on earth. If you 400 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: were his friend, you could rely on him to the 401 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: end of your life. I mean, he would save you 402 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: from everything. If you went through you knew that he 403 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: was your friend. That was it. And he was really 404 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: charismatic without being aware of it. Really. When he entered 405 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: the room, the room was filled with his empathy. Unlike Neo, 406 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: the introvert, your reefs seemed to know everyone. He had 407 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: a big personality and he attracted people to him with 408 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: his wit. And one of the men you reeve had 409 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: gotten to known Massad was an agent named Eliezer Laser 410 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: Seded As with me O, Sudeep didn't look much like 411 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: a secret agent. He was thin and physically unremarkable. My 412 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: father was just opposite of James Bond. He had walked 413 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: twice in the street, so you can seem that's the Deep, Son, 414 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: said Sharon. I spoke to him about his father and 415 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: his memories of his father's undercover work. He was modest, 416 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: It was funny. Everybody loved him. He was very, oh 417 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, very nice guy. At looking at him, you 418 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: cannot imagine if you see a fight. But the Deep 419 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: had a reputation as someone who was tough and relentless, 420 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: a fearless, hotheaded fighter who never gave up. He had 421 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: spent his early days in Etzel Or the Ragoon, a 422 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: right wing paramilitary organization in Palestine. He can cute Jaffa. 423 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: After the everybody said is that he cannot get it 424 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: because it was snipers all over. And he told begging, 425 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: give me another night, an explosive that will concute Jaffa. 426 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: And he did it with his men. He'd come of 427 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: age during the struggle for a Jewish homeland. He met 428 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: his wife, a nurse, when she treated him for several 429 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: broken fingers. There's alto a torture session administered by a 430 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: rival organization. Their love affair played out against the bombings 431 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: of the War of Independence. They've seen the birth of 432 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: the nation together, said his son. They'd fought for it. 433 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: They were always telling stories about the early days of Israel. 434 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: Sede was the ultimate late dark character, the mercurial, soulful 435 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: Sabra with the sad past a. Sabra is a native 436 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: born Israeli. Saded's wife was the tough one. When he 437 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: received an invitation to join Massad from a future Israeli 438 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: prime minister, his wife didn't baden eye, it was called demon, 439 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: told him, if you want to him to join the Mossad. 440 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: So we came to my mother ask her if she 441 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: accept She said, all right, Look, if you are not 442 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: going to go. I will go and you stay home 443 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: to educate our children in my family. Was also a 444 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: joke that it's America that he went, not my mother, 445 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: because if he was saying to educate us, we will 446 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: be no education at all. Sod was soft, kind, funny 447 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: and again it was a wonderful father. You know, sometimes 448 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: you think that somebody that they working to Mossa and 449 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: and the he killed colonels, you should be something very frightening. No, 450 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: just olderly nice guy and apparently the kind of guy 451 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: who would carry out pranks during missions. You really decided 452 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: to bring Sue Deep onto the killed team. It was 453 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: a risky choice. So Deed had been involved in the 454 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: notorious previous mission, the plot to kill the German Chancellor 455 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: Conrad ad an Hour in March, so theed's commander at 456 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: the time was angry that the German government was paying 457 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: Israel reparations. He considered it to be blood money. The 458 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: Killed team used a letter bomb to try and get 459 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: at an Hour, but it exploded before it reached him. 460 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: It did, however, killed the technician who was trying to 461 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: defuse the bomb. Sadite was arrested in Paris. Ru's living 462 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: at the time. He was later released. If something went 463 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: wrong with the Zuker's mission and Sade's identity was revealed, 464 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: it could be a big deal in Germany. It could 465 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: actually convince Germans not to repeal the amnesty. Sade had 466 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: once tried to kill the head of the German government 467 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: after all, but Yariv, like Sude, he insisted he beyond 468 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: the team. Sadie's mother and grandmother had been born in Riga, 469 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: the capital of Latvia. That's where the butcher had done 470 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: most of his killing. Most of Sade's family had lived 471 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: there before the war. None of them had survived the Holocaust. 472 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: Maybe suckers had been involved in their deaths Sude didn't 473 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: know for sure. After your Reeve told Sude about the butcher, 474 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: the agent agreed to do the mission. But it wasn't 475 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: about revenge. There was no hatred of Suker's, Sudet's son 476 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: told me emphatically none. Sudet saw his chance to send 477 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: a message to anti Semites everywhere. If someone killed Jews 478 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: in the future, other Jews would find them. This lack 479 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: of desire for revenge might not have been true of 480 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the killed team. Some of them certainly 481 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: wanted vengeance for what had happened during the Holocaust, but 482 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: for sud Et this was protection against future atrocities. It 483 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: wasn't personal for him like it was from Meo. After Sudi, 484 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: your reeve added two more operatives. The first was zev 485 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: A Meet, a former paratrooper and devotee of martial arts. 486 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: A Meat was a very brave guy, typical Sabra, said 487 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: Sadet's son. He was proud of the country, knew what 488 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: he wanted, had no self doubts. A Meat had served 489 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: in Unit one oh one. It was a controversial special 490 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: forces team commanded by future Prime Minister Aerial Sharone. Its 491 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: members were hand picked and they specialized in reprisal raids 492 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: on Arab infiltrators. Those infiltrators regularly crossed the border from 493 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: Jordan's and attacked Israeli villages. Critics accused of one O 494 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: one ers of killing Arabs indiscriminately, especially during one massacre 495 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: that happened in in It at least sixty nine Palestinians 496 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: died when Sharon's men waded into the heavily guarded village 497 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: and began clearing houses like tossing grenades and spraying the 498 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: insides with live rounds, but most Israelis considered them intrepid 499 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: soldiers who lived far out on the knife's edge. Sadite 500 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: was delighted when a meat joined the operation. They were 501 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: a team of two, said Sadet's son. They were always 502 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: making chokes, even when perhaps they shouldn't have. The last 503 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: man you we've chose was Multi Kafere, an agent who 504 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: had grown up tending sheep on an Israeli farm. He 505 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: later attended the Sorbonne, where he studied history. At Massad, 506 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: Kafire worked as director of the School for Special Operations. 507 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: A meeting Kafere would be body men there to neutralize 508 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: the butcher. When the time came, you Reave now had 509 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: his five guys, including himself. That was it. That was 510 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: the team. Hey, this is Stephen Talty, the host of 511 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: this podcast Good Assassin's Hunting the Butcher. As I've mentioned 512 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: a couple of times on the show, this podcast project 513 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: came out of my work on a related book called 514 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: The Good Assassin. If you want to explore other parts 515 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: of this story, check it out. It's not just a 516 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: book version of the podcast. I spend time on different 517 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: aspects of the mission. There are chapters diving into World 518 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: War two history that we didn't cover in the podcast, 519 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: and the book works as a kind of a companion 520 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: to the listening experience. The paperback edition just arrived. You 521 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: can purchase a copy of The Good Assassin on Amazon, 522 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: Apple Books, and on bookshop dot Org. Thanks. There was 523 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: one problem with your Reeves killed team. None of the 524 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: guys was very big. Your Reeve was short and thin. 525 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: Same for sud. I mean, it was a bit stronger, 526 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: but he wasn't nearly as big as Sukers and Mio. 527 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: He was meant to be an observer. Only the team 528 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: would need to train and how to bring down a strong, 529 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: desperate man who has just realized he's fighting for his life. 530 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: In those days, in the early sixties, Massa didn't have 531 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: guys who specialized in things like that, So You Reeves 532 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: started asking around who could teach his and how to 533 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: bring down a brute like the butcher. The takedown had 534 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: to be fast and it had to be quiet. Finally 535 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,919 Speaker 1: you re found a guy. His name was Emi Lichtenfeld. 536 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: Here's Emi explaining his philosophy on self defense and the 537 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: fighting technique he created called krav Maga. This tapes not 538 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: great at times, but I wanted you to hear me 539 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: in his own voice. He says and he said things. 540 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: He's what he's said said things. He's that you can 541 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: defends a sin in three hundred sixty degree and forward 542 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: angles before I'm making sure and not you our movements. 543 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: And I don't get the bolish the guy don't give 544 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: the nice To understand how Emmy trained the team, I 545 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: reached out to one of Emmy's closest disciples. My name 546 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: is Elian Luth. I started training with Emmy when I 547 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: was about fifteen years old. I trained with him twenty 548 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: four years until he decided to live to another world. Yes, um, 549 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: I was his closest assistant for twenty years. Almost according 550 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: to a y'all, Emmy was a bit of a walking paradox. 551 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: Emmy was in a way very gentle person, gentlemen center 552 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: European education. Um. Or the other hand, he had this 553 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: other side of his of very strong fighter in time 554 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: of need, even a brawler in times that was you know, 555 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: World War two period and a little bit before which 556 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: we cannot judge with to day's eyes. So he was 557 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: definitely a man of peace. On one hand, and a 558 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: man of fighting, protecting, teaching how to kill on the 559 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: other Lichtenfeld had grown up in Bratislava, Czechoslovakia before the war, 560 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: the son of a hard nosed police inspector who moonlighted 561 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: as a jiu jitsu master. Lichtenfeld's father taught his son gymnastics, 562 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: boxing and wrestling. As a young man, Lichtenfeld appeared bare 563 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: chested in publicity photos, looking like a lean, sculpted middleweight. 564 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: He joined the Czechoslovakian national wrestling team and one championships 565 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: across Europe. Even at five ft six and hundred and 566 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: fifty pounds, he was a relentless punishing opponent. With the 567 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: rise of Nazism in Germany, anti Semitic gangs began swarming 568 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: into the Jewish quarter in Bratislava. With a young Lichtenfeld lived. 569 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: If they caught it you alone, the gang would attack him, 570 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: leaving him blooded down the pavement or bleeding out from 571 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: stab wounds. The fascist government and brought Uslava offered terrified 572 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: Jews little or no defense against these mobs. The perpetrators 573 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: went unpunished. Y'all remembers Emmy describing the situation to him 574 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: on a daily basis like every day they were fights. 575 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: Most of the fights would say or big part of 576 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: it was, I guess would to put opponents. So this 577 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: uh fighting the fascists day, night, morning, evenings, on a 578 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 1: on a regular basis, what we say, and sometimes huge groups. 579 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: So he became the unprouned leader of a group of 580 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: about hundreds of people, and later years we learned that 581 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,240 Speaker 1: he was also teaching them something, some self defense and fighting. 582 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: Here's a great story. One afternoon, Lichtenfeld collected the boxers, 583 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: wrestlers and amateur bodybuilders he knew from the quarter and 584 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,399 Speaker 1: marched them out to confront a large group of check 585 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: men who arrived at the cave. There were hundreds of 586 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: young thugs waiting. Lichtenfeld, carrying a large blue and white 587 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: flag adorned with the Star of David, led the Jewish 588 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: athletes out of the neighborhood. When he spotted the checks, 589 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: he began waving it back and forth in front of 590 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: them like a red handkerchief, take down my flag? Who 591 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: is the man to take down my flag? And shouting. 592 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: One guy emerged from the crowd and came towards me, 593 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: grabbing at the flagpole. Amy took hold of the man's 594 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: arm hoisted him up and threw him over a cemetery walk. 595 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: The riders ran away. Later encounters turned into ultra violent melee's. 596 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: The Checks brought knives and even revolvers to terrorize the Jews. 597 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: Their confrontations were accompanied by screams, gunshots, and the thud 598 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: of bodies on stone. A wasted move could mean a 599 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: smashed collar bone, a severed vein. Em said there was 600 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: no time to punch a person twice, So dynamics so 601 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 1: visus so fast, and said as he said, no time 602 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: to punch a person twice to survive, Lichtenfeld created the 603 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: street fighting technique called crab Maga, close combat and Hebrew, 604 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: which allowed the Bratislava Jews to inflict the most damage 605 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: in the shortest possible time. According to a y'all, Emmy's 606 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: genius was in the simplicity of his method. Do the 607 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: most natural, the most simple, based on your natural responses 608 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: or one thing, but also based on the problem and 609 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: on the behavior of the attacker. So you must know 610 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: your enemy first of all this know what he's doing. No, No, 611 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 1: the problem, no, the attack, no, the response of the 612 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: other guy, No, he's natural behavior. But also no yours. 613 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: So the basic techniques of the system are based on 614 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: natural responses. So the natural response is the foundation of 615 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: the technique. What he taught was ruthlessly real world. Unlike 616 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: traditional martial arts when academy proclaimed and then add Kravmaga 617 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: makes no attempt to transform you into a spiritually enlightened warrior. 618 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: Lichtenfeld left Checklist Slovakia the year after the Nazis invaded, 619 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: losing an eye in a painful two year journey towards Palestine, 620 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: which he finally reached in two His mother died at 621 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: Auschwitz Berkenal and most of his other loved ones were 622 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: killed in the Holocaust. The word of Lichtenfeld's expertise and 623 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: the vicious ares spread in these really defense forces adopted 624 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: Kravmaga for training its recruits and named the Czech newcomer 625 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: chief instructor physical fitness. Lichtenfeld, dressed in a white karate uniform, 626 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: spent decades teaching generation after generation of young soldiers how 627 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: to gouge, hit and maim, and most importantly, how to 628 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: be smart about it. Here's em again. Gives you the kick, 629 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 1: the draw him, rolls him on the stomach. He gives 630 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: him all the kick he breaks, he said, I said, 631 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: then what you break a dead men said? If you 632 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: broke him through leaves what he didn't want me? He 633 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,959 Speaker 1: can stand up, he says, no for what he said, 634 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: if if you think the kick in the head. When 635 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: he was contacted by your reeve, Lichton felt agreed to 636 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: train the team. He didn't care about what the man 637 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: would do with the skills he taught them, which doesn't 638 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: come as a surprise to all. He understood the need 639 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: to make the mission. It's not my business what they're 640 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: going to do. My country is calling me. There's a 641 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: need I give them the tools. Their commanders and them 642 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: they will use the tools. Who was all in the 643 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 1: end the same thing for him. He assumed they were 644 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: going to hurt those who wanted to hurt Jews. Amy 645 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: never asked why, nor did he dwell too much on 646 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: the request he had received, namely, to take a group 647 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: of men and teach them how to drop a men 648 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: with one aimed blow. You can't help but suspect a 649 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: subconscious motive in choosing Cravmaga. Even Israelis believed that during 650 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: the war, pale slight Jewish men had been lent to 651 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: their desks by strapping robust killers, something many of the 652 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: Sabras regarded with shame. Now, a group of tough Israeli 653 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,760 Speaker 1: Jews planned to find one of those murderers and strike 654 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: them to the ground with their bare hands. It would 655 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: be a tactical way of ensuring silence and stealth, but 656 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: one has to imagine it was something else as well, 657 00:45:53,400 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: a display of Jewish masculine power. Not everyone, however, was 658 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: pleased with Lichtenfeld or with the plan to immobilize Seacres 659 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: before reading him his death sense. When the outspoken Suded 660 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,439 Speaker 1: heard about it, he was appalled. It's not a movie, 661 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: he fumed, bring a gun. In secret, the team began 662 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: to train. Lichtenfeld led the sessions, and he was relentless. 663 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: Neo had no idea the other team members were training 664 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: in crapmaga. That was your Reeves thing. Mio didn't need 665 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: to know about it. Had he known, he would have 666 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: been pleased that the other agents were practicing eye gouging, 667 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: groin kicking, and other moves because he had come to 668 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: fear sucres physical abilities. He even put this in the 669 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: report he sent back to your Reeve in Paris. I 670 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: re iterates and stressed The effect is that despite the 671 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: late Fund's age of sixty four, havey have us still 672 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: dangerous men? Alert, physically strong and resourceful. Later Mia would 673 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: realize something, You're even. The others didn't believe him at all. 674 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 1: My friends stopped. It was exaggerating. It's a danger, You're even. 675 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: The other agents had been to war, they'd fought young 676 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: men who were dead set on killing them. They thought 677 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: they could handle the butcher when they read MEO's report, 678 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: You're even. The others were deeply skeptical. They thought me 679 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,720 Speaker 1: it was seeing things in Brazil, knocking off an aching 680 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: Nazi with white hair. It wasn't going to be a problem. 681 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: But you Reeve would later change his mind. Here's Leahy again, 682 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: your Reeves daughter. He used to say that two Chors 683 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: was a huge person, just the uge you couldn't imagine before. 684 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean as many times as you were told before, 685 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,720 Speaker 1: until you really saw him, you couldn't imagine how gigantic 686 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: he was. But that change of heart came months after 687 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: MEO's report, when it was almost too late. This over 688 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: confidence would soon cause terrible problems for the Bazade team. 689 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: Mio had seen the butcher up close. The others had 690 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: no idea what they were dealing with, but they were 691 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: soon going to find out. Good assassins. Hunting the Butcher 692 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: is a production of Diversion Podcasts in association with I 693 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This season is written and hosted by Stephen Talti, 694 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: produced and directed by Scott Waxman and Jacob Bronstein. Executive 695 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 1: producers Scott Waxman and Mark Francis. Story editing by Jacob 696 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: Bronstein with editorial direction from Scott Waxman and mangesh Had 697 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: ticket editing, mixing and sound designed by Mark Francis, with 698 00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: the voices of Nick Afka, Thomas Armory, Angle, Andrew Polk, 699 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: Mindy Escobar, Leants, Steve Rautman and Stefan Rudnitsky. Theme music 700 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: by Tyler Cash. Archival research by Adam Shapiro. 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