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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Oh, in these divided political times, you

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Speaker 1: have to wonder how difficult it may be to maintain decorum.

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Speaker 1: Let's give a shout out to our super producer, mister

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Speaker 1: Max Williams.

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Speaker 2: Shout out.

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Speaker 3: Who you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Max Williams from earlier, Yes, from earlier, like Henry Kissinger

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Speaker 1: from earlier, You're Nold Brown, I'm Ben Bolan and day

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Speaker 1: we are with the help of our returning guest Alex Circa,

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Speaker 1: we are exploiting.

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Speaker 3: We are exploring.

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Speaker 1: We are exploring a series of times that people in

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Speaker 1: Congress and the US Congress and the wholes of power

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Speaker 1: didn't feel their words were adequate to navigate situations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. They in some cases entered into fisticuffs like the

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Speaker 3: fighting Irish you know, little fella, what do you call

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Speaker 3: that pose? Yeah, it seems very unpractical, impractical, or maybe

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Speaker 3: it's completely practical. It is like one of the fists

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Speaker 3: for blocking the old one two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the hook and the jazz.

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Speaker 4: I think whoever drew it didn't know how to.

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Speaker 1: Underhanded boxing is definitely No, it's I see all the

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Speaker 1: time and old movies. It's like a very specific old

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Speaker 1: timey boxing pose and it requires fancy footwork too.

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Speaker 3: You know, you think these beefing congressmen got into some

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Speaker 3: little tappity dancing when they were fighting each other.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're about to see they certainly were not practicing bipartisanship,

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Speaker 1: right the old can't we all just get along?

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Speaker 3: We can't.

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Speaker 1: Spoiler alert spoiler Yeah. Let's go to Deborah Caldwell in

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Speaker 1: a great article eleven historic fights worse than the Sequester.

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Speaker 1: Debora points out Congress has always been a wild and

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Speaker 1: wooly place, and I think, you know, for a lot

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Speaker 1: of us, you know, the majority of people in the

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Speaker 1: United States are not, in fact members of Congress. We

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Speaker 1: can't even get elected to the House, right, which.

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Speaker 4: Is unless you're a member of the New Hampshire State

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Speaker 4: of House Representatives, which is like four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: people for New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: This that note in here, right here.

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Speaker 1: Classic granite state Max with the facts.

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Speaker 3: That seeking in the fon and peace fall in love.

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Speaker 1: It's just right now, we've got several different situations here.

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Speaker 1: This is Nola, a bit of a listical episode.

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Speaker 3: What'd you say, uh huh, Yeah, it is indeed, So

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Speaker 3: let's go ahead and jump right in with the eighteen hundred

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Speaker 3: election that nearly led to a Civil war. One thing

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Speaker 3: that I think we've all experienced is sort of the

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Speaker 3: rose colored glasses approach to history. That is often the

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Speaker 3: case in like early childhood education, middle school even where

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Speaker 3: it's sort of like, oh, you know that all the

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Speaker 3: and getting drunk together, and well that probably that part,

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Speaker 3: that's why that part was true. Yeah, you know, despite

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Speaker 3: coming from different backgrounds, different political ideologies and belief systems,

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Speaker 3: up and make nice and get things done right right, No,

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Speaker 3: they didn't. That cartoon verse, though, is often the way

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Speaker 3: it's portrayed. Sure, just learning about this stuff, just.

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Speaker 1: Like the first Thanksgiving, Right, there's a bit of myth

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Speaker 1: making a foot because we know that these guys often

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Speaker 1: did not get along put diplomatically. I also will find

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Speaker 1: it unendingly hilarious how back in the day, if you

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Speaker 1: would be the guy who ran against you. It's a

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Speaker 1: very weird, weird way to set up a crew. But

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Speaker 1: there are legendary disagreements between founding fathers and two of

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Speaker 1: the guys who beefed the hardest really got beefed up.

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Speaker 1: They were beefing John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. And it

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Speaker 1: goes to exactly like our culminating moment. Here is the

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Speaker 1: election of eighteen hundred and go to a Encyclopedia Virginia

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Speaker 1: A for Dare, I say, blow by blow.

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Speaker 3: Oh you dare, and I will back you up on this.

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Speaker 3: So the Democratic Republicans had won the election. Again, I

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Speaker 3: that was totally TBD. And in eighteen hundred, this Constitution

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Speaker 1: Great idea, again, he says with sarcasm.

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Speaker 3: So these electoral votes, this is basically the founding of

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Speaker 4: This is like the second time and the first time

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying what we know is the electoral

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Speaker 1: And this is Yeah, you're right, we could call this

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Speaker 1: they wanted Jefferson to be president. They were like, this

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Speaker 1: is the guy we picked him. Jefferson has seventy three

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Speaker 1: electoral votes. But plot twist, Shyamalan does Aaron Burr and

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Speaker 1: that's the one all these guys are picked to be

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Speaker 1: vice president. They were worried about taking off Burr. He's

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Speaker 1: kind of a hot head. He does shoot people in duels.

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Speaker 1: And this is way before the musical made him catchy

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Speaker 1: to vote for Burr so they could say without pissing

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Speaker 3: That's a little greasy, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: That's super greasy. I mean, that's politics, it really is.

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Speaker 3: And again, a system that is relatively easily gamed when

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Speaker 3: you have these sort of kots. I guess is that

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Speaker 3: a thing. I'm just gonna call it cahoots. That's a

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Speaker 1: There's a board game called alex Is a Green.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got a good We got a solid nod from

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Speaker 4: All the rules and I will strictly tell everyone the rules.

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Speaker 1: Will we we'll play block with you guys for money.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, you know, because these guys are going head

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Speaker 1: to head against a group called the Federalists, which you

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Speaker 1: might remember from their famous papers. They were named very creatively.

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Speaker 1: So the Federalist Party saw this as an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: we are scared of here. Yet again, that old document,

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Speaker 1: the Constitution had some rules, had some board game Rules

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Speaker 1: for the Future of America, and this little piece of

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Speaker 1: and that Federalists love this because they control several delegations

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tiebreaker pretty common in most board games and politics.

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Speaker 3: So that being the case, ben with the Federalists controlling

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Speaker 3: if you can imagine, this is almost like filibuster level obstructionism.

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Speaker 1: Well, Dungeons and Dragons would call their alignment lawful evil

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Speaker 3: Proceeds, right exactly.

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Speaker 4: Mean, how many votes did it take Mcarthury to get

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Speaker 3: So they're saying.

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Speaker 1: The Federalists are they go to Aaron Burr Pictures, smoky

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Speaker 1: Well, let's play in now. It's yeah, yeah, let's trigger

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Speaker 1: you little jazz nastasia. Yeah, speakeasy time, far before the

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Speaker 3: And you nailed it though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we're going for the vibe, folks, and thank

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Speaker 1: These guys go to birth in this back room and

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Speaker 1: they say, look, will help you quick pro quo if

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Speaker 1: you will do a couple of things for us, you know, scratch,

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Speaker 1: we'll scratch yours. You don't like Jefferson either, and X

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Speaker 1: And outside this room, by the way, Uh, there's the

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Speaker 1: stealing the election. And you know that's super mids of you.

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Speaker 3: Wow, this is way before the invention of the term mids.

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Speaker 3: By the way, we're in it for style poetic license.

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Speaker 3: I don't we're talking about Jefferson here, are we sure?

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Speaker 4: Before the invention of the term mids, we.

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Speaker 3: The concept of mids is eternal. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: Oxford's a word of the year.

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Speaker 3: Of the year. I only just found out that it's

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Speaker 3: short for charisma. It is. I did not it is

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Speaker 3: Apparently the kids also refer to people that have a

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Speaker 3: lot of ris being wrizzlers, like other wrizzler, you know, batman,

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Speaker 3: villain of style. Shout that's superpower, really fetching, you know.

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Speaker 1: So these rumors start flying around, well again, this sort

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Speaker 1: and folks are talking, the streets are talking, and the

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Speaker 1: streets are saying, these federalists are going to put a

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, from Song of Ice and Fire

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Speaker 3: It is where you start seeing terms like usurping or

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Speaker 1: But questions in terms of fixing the election, right, in

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Speaker 3: of an alarmist kind of propagandistic way of talking trash

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Speaker 4: And they also know because like it was just a

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Speaker 1: Also, let's point out that this is like this is

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Speaker 3: Very British of them. Don't you think his behavior feels

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Speaker 4: Moves only if they are going to threaten people with

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Speaker 3: All the season and this whichland kind of atmosphere exactly.

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Speaker 4: You guys excited for the thing that we're all hyped

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, death cap for QUDI and postal.

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Speaker 1: Of hype ruining things, let me show to you exhibit A, folks. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Terrible look at that, man, No, no.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've got a BUCkies mug.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for themr So uh so we do o

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Speaker 3: Get to the fight.

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Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton comes in and it's so hard to say

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Speaker 3: So Eventually, one of the fellas that Hamilton wrote to,

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Speaker 3: allowing him to win, in order to prevent this again

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Speaker 3: But what about you know what.

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Speaker 1: About some street level fisticuffs, you know what about some

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Speaker 4: It's Calhoun is one of these guys that, for like

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Speaker 1: Calhoun dies March thirty first, eighteen fifty. There's this guy,

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Speaker 1: It's so weird, man. I remember several years back, someone

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Speaker 3: what I mean, it's sort of like a public pillarying,

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Speaker 3: you know, a slap on the wrists be it's basically

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Speaker 3: officially embarrassing you in front of your friends.

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Speaker 1: So, in its earliest years, the US Senate had given

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Speaker 1: the presiding officer the superpower. If you are in charge

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Speaker 1: of the Senate, you can call these other senators out.

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Speaker 1: You can be like, M, that's a no, no, that

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Speaker 1: is inappropriate language or behavior. And the full Senate didn't

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Speaker 1: have to vote. There was just this one guy who

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Speaker 1: was like, your ViBe's off. And because of John C. Calhoun,

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Speaker 1: this practice changes in eighteen twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: You have to stay in my line, all right?

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Speaker 1: Well, Max, how would you describe John C.

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Speaker 4: Calhoun real life Emperor Palpatine? And side note, if you

447
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Speaker 4: guys want to get a laugh. Every single time Calhoun

448
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Speaker 4: is mentioned in this brief, there's a different photo of him,

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Speaker 4: and they all have a theme.

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Speaker 3: Is he wearing an ominous hood and clothes?

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Speaker 4: He just looks like the most evil dude in every

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Speaker 4: photo and every painting of this man. I guess there's

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Speaker 4: no photos of it, but every painting of this man,

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Speaker 4: he looks like the most evil dude ever.

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Speaker 1: He looks like he's.

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Speaker 2: Look so racist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like he doesn't blink. He looks like

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Speaker 1: he's always mad at someone to the left or the

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Speaker 1: right of the portrait.

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Speaker 3: I bet he used to beat people with sticks.

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Speaker 4: This is the guy who was so mean, so racist,

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Speaker 4: and so crazy that Andrew Jackson was freaked out by the.

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Speaker 3: He kind of has a bizarro Andrew Jackson look about him.

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Speaker 4: He was He was Jackson's first VP and then quit

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Speaker 4: and formed his own party to a post Jackson. He's

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Speaker 4: one of the guys that started the Whig Party.

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Speaker 1: I always think when I see these portraits of guys

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Speaker 1: who are not looking directly at the at the audience,

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Speaker 1: I always think maybe they had wonky eyes like Calhoun

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Speaker 1: looks like he might have.

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Speaker 3: He might have some Walleye And honestly, in this painting

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Speaker 3: that I'm looking at, he basically is wearing a spooky cloak. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well it was a different time. Yeah, for sure, they

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Speaker 1: didn't have central heating. But the so because of Calhoun,

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Speaker 1: who was a little bit too active for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the Senate. Because of him, the Senate changed this

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Speaker 1: rule and they said, look, everybody should be able to

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Speaker 1: call someone out if they're behaving offensively. And I think

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Speaker 1: we can all agree that kind of accountability is key.

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Speaker 1: If the Senate objected to the Vice president's ruling on

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Speaker 1: a certain call, right, if he was being too tyrannical

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Speaker 1: or so on, then they could vote and they could

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Speaker 1: overrule him, and they could say, actually, the guy you're

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Speaker 1: mad at isn't being a dick. He raised a really

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Speaker 1: good point. You're outvoted. Let's move on to other business.

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Speaker 1: Order will prevail. Vice President Fillmore didn't quite vibe with this.

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Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty he says, look, a lot of our fellows, senators,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these honorable gentlemen, seem reluctant to hold

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Speaker 1: each other to order. So what I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: is quellvis I'm going to contain the first sparks of

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Speaker 1: disorder before they blossom into a fire.

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Speaker 3: Right, and so.

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Speaker 1: So he said the following quote, which seems a little hardcore.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested. I'm interested in your thoughts here.

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Speaker 3: Might attack or even insinuation of a personal character often

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Speaker 3: provokes a more severe retort, which brit retort. Sorry, it's

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Speaker 3: gonna make sure you those clear, which brings out a

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Speaker 3: more disorderly reply, each senator feeling a justification in the

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Speaker 3: previous aggression. Okay, this is an unpacker, guys, a slight

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Speaker 3: attack or even insinuation, okay of a personal character to

501
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Speaker 3: don't talk trash. If you do, it may provoke a

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Speaker 3: serious reaction. Someone's gonna come at you, right, which may

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Speaker 3: bring out and even more distant sort of chain reaction,

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Speaker 3: which may even bring out a more disorderly reply, each

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Speaker 3: senator feeling justification in the previous So this is basically

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Speaker 3: a chain of aggression.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're saying, chain, chain, chain. So the idea

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Speaker 1: is that the idea is that there would be this

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Speaker 1: sort of arms race, for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 1: of insults leading to chaos in the Senate, which could

511
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Speaker 1: very well lead to instability in the nation. The question

512
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Speaker 1: is what is insinuation? Right? So and so said such

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Speaker 1: and such, and I took that personally. But it turns

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Speaker 1: out old Old Millies, shout out to hip hop fans

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Speaker 1: in the audience, Old Millies was correct. Two weeks after

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Speaker 1: he makes this statement, the things he predicted happened. He

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Speaker 1: said to a Missouri Senator, Thomas Hart Benton, he said,

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Speaker 1: you're out of order. And then a guy from Kentucky

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Speaker 1: named Henry Clay you may recognize from earlier stories, he says,

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Speaker 1: the vice president is out of pocket. He's making an

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Speaker 1: attack on the power and dignity of this noble institution,

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Speaker 1: the Senate. And then everybody else is like.

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Speaker 3: So in this ensuing debate, there is quite a nasty exchange.

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Speaker 3: It takes place between Benton and Henry Foot. Foot Foot,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Foot. It just sounds good. Yeah whatever. Benton,

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Speaker 3: who's a bit of a bullish fellow, likes to throw

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Speaker 3: his weight around, literally and figuratively. Uh. He pushes aside

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Speaker 3: his chair and begins to approach mister Foot, who, if

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Speaker 3: the name of is an indication, is a bit of

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Speaker 3: a slight fellow. Uh. At this point, at this you know,

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Speaker 3: the sight of this you know, steam locomotive of a

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Speaker 3: man coming at him full bore foot, decides he needs

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Speaker 3: to defend himself with not his brawn, but with you know,

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Speaker 3: this concealed pistol that he's got. He strapped. He is strapped. Uh.

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Speaker 3: We can't coaching a biscuit right right there.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 1: We can't get away with late books at the library.

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Speaker 1: But this guy's rolling up into the Senate with a

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Speaker 1: they did not and uh, and so everybody's losing their mind.

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Speaker 1: An old old steam truck. Benton is bellowing, I have

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Speaker 1: no pistols. Let them fast out of the way.

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Speaker 3: Let the assassin fa yeah, becausin of steamboat Willie, no doubt. Uh,

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Speaker 3: that's amazing. So these boy, this guy is a is.

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Speaker 3: He's got h you know what I'm doing, the hand

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Speaker 3: thing he got, he's got the hutsbah, he's got the cajones. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And he is not.

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Speaker 3: He will not be stopped. He continues on towards him. Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then at this point I guess the funnies enough

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Speaker 3: for the for the presiding officer pillmore to to adjourn.

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, I.

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Speaker 1: Love how Max puts it to Uh, quickly entertained emotion

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Speaker 1: to a journy. So like this one guy's this huge

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Speaker 1: dude's running at this other guy. He's like, shoot me,

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Speaker 1: then shoot me do it, and this guy is I.

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Speaker 2: Got a first a little bit of a bubble making it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't put that. The US Senate put that.

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Speaker 3: That's even better.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we paid for that beautiful line. Taxpayers

559
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Speaker 1: quickly entertained a motion to adjourn, which literally means while

560
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Speaker 1: this chaos was happening, Vice President Millard Fillmore was like, hey,

561
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Speaker 1: should we get lunch or we done? Clap clap clap,

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Speaker 1: lap clip clap with a gavel, and everybody else who wasn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, shooting or being shot at, was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: things took.

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Speaker 2: A turn, and that man became president and that.

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Speaker 1: Man became president. No, there is another example we have,

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Speaker 1: and I love the way you set this up. Earlier

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Speaker 1: you talked about beating people with sticks.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I just you know, I thought that Calhoun

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Speaker 3: had that look about him, some of the eyes right

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Speaker 3: in the eyes, a bit of a wildness, and also

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Speaker 3: that cloak man like Harlem globetrotter style. You can probably

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Speaker 3: can seal quite a large stick in there you would

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Speaker 3: just carry around sort of a chalelee of sorts, you know. Oh,

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Speaker 3: there we go.

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Speaker 1: Nice reference. Yeah, and so probably the one of the

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Speaker 1: most infamous physical altercations in US congressional history occurs on

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Speaker 1: May twenty second, eighteen fifty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as it turns out, there's an official name

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Speaker 3: for beating someone with sticks. It is often referred to

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Speaker 3: as caning. The brutal and barbaric practice, of course, holdover

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Speaker 3: from slave times as well. Like I mean, people were

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Speaker 3: beaten on their backs until they were had bloody stripes

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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I believe it's a it's a

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Speaker 3: tactic that still happens in some countries more mistaken.

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Speaker 1: Singapore, multiple actually multiple other countries. And when you specifically

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Speaker 1: beat people on the soles of their feet such that

588
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Speaker 1: they cannot walk or run away, that torture is bastinado.

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Speaker 1: None of these are allowed technically in political discourse in

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Speaker 1: the halls of Congress. The US doesn't cane people. But

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Speaker 1: it turns out some of the king makers of the

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Speaker 1: US government did get into a caine altercation. This would

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Speaker 1: be I believe aggravated assault technically because there was a

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Speaker 1: use of a weapon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right in the halls of governments. No less,

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Speaker 3: I guess what led to this beef. The thing. The

597
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Speaker 3: inciting event occurred three days prior when Senator by the

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Speaker 3: name of Charles Sumner from Massachusetts, who was an anti

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Speaker 3: slavery Republican exactly addressed the Senate spoke to the Senate

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Speaker 3: on the issue of whether Kansas should be allowed to

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Speaker 3: enter the Union as a slave state or as a

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Speaker 3: free state. Man, can you believe this was stuff that

603
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Speaker 3: had to be discussed. I'm sorry, I know it's it's

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Speaker 3: it's just bonkers to me sometimes, how relatively recent some

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Speaker 3: of these barbaric parts of.

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Speaker 4: History, you know, right, I mean, dad, do this wild

607
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Speaker 4: dance anytime they want it at a state in because

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Speaker 4: they had to have just many slave states as free states.

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Speaker 1: So three fifths compromise. It was really nasty stuff.

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Speaker 2: And to your point, it's right there in history, not

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Speaker 2: that long ago.

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Speaker 1: Now, history is always closer than it looks in the.

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Speaker 2: Rear view mirror. I mean, think about it. There is

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Speaker 2: a living man.

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Speaker 4: Father was born around then, as we learned the John

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Speaker 4: Tyler episodes.

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Speaker 1: And there are people listening today who were alive during

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Speaker 1: state supported segregation. Right, Uh, this is this stuff matters.

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Speaker 1: So as you were saying, all this guy Sunder, he

620
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Speaker 1: makes a speech it's called or it's titled Crime against Kansas,

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Speaker 1: and in his beach Sumner name checks two Democratic senators.

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Speaker 3: And also out its last.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he calls for them. He sends for them, you

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Speaker 1: would say in UK hip hop. They're Stephen Douglas of

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Speaker 1: Illinois and Andrew Butler of South Carolina. And while these

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Speaker 1: guys are in the room, Sumner is talking trash and

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Speaker 1: it's not friendly. It's not like a Friar's Club roast.

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Speaker 1: Or if it is like a Friar's Club roast, it's

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Speaker 1: like the Chevy Chase roast where you can tell no

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Speaker 1: one likes him, no one likes it. Yea.

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Speaker 3: To this day, I don't think he's a very popular guy. Beg,

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Speaker 3: can I can I say this trash talk? At least?

633
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Speaker 3: Please please get to do it? What does he say

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Speaker 3: to Douglas serious, dis is man? Holy cow, these are

635
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: like beast level cutdowns. He calls him a noisome, squat

636
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Speaker 3: and nameless animal, not a proper model for an American senator.

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Speaker 1: And people are people, Yeah, people are like, oh snap

638
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Speaker 1: and then he has this moment in his speech.

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Speaker 3: Where he's like, and I'm not done. I do not

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Speaker 3: field my time.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Butler, South Carolina. You know, gosh, he says, He says,

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Speaker 1: you have taken a mistress who ugly to others, is

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Speaker 1: always lovely to him, though polluted in the sight of

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Speaker 1: the world, is chased in his sight. I mean the

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Speaker 1: Harlot slavery.

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Speaker 3: Oh snap, okay, I thought he was really like putting

647
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Speaker 3: his bearing his dirty laundry. He got there too.

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Speaker 4: That's what Hamilton did. Hamilton one time too, an article.

649
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Speaker 4: Out these ten sex workers that I talked to, they

650
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Speaker 4: all say that Aaron Burr is, you know, their favorite client.

651
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hamilton, the creator of the listical I believe absolutely.

652
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Speaker 3: Oh man, the Harlot slavery. That's that's good, although I

653
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: will say not very sex positive, a little bit misogynistic,

654
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Speaker 3: but it kind of works well.

655
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Speaker 1: The time, well they were you know, they were all gas,

656
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: no breaks, and they were all still, of course, very prejudiced.

657
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: There's another guy in the crowd, you know. That's why

658
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: I have to be careful with roast and stand up comedy.

659
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Preston Brooks. He's important to this

660
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: story because he is boys with Butler. He's from South

661
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Carolina as well, and if he if he did things

662
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: the quote unquote right way for the time, he would

663
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: have challenged Sumner to a duel and they would have

664
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Speaker 1: met with you know, pistols or rape year zadan or

665
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Speaker 1: something like that. Instead, he picked up the kind of

666
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Speaker 1: cane that people like him use to beat dogs and

667
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: also probably other people. So he waits until Senate has

668
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: rapped for the day, rapped for the day, and he

669
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: walks into the chamber and he finds some there. Picture

670
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: it like walking into a lecture hall after class and

671
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Speaker 1: Sumner is Sumner is putting his stamp on various copies

672
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Speaker 1: of his speech where he dissed these guys, and then Brooks,

673
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: catching him unaware, slams his cane onto Sumner's head. He

674
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Speaker 1: doesn't even waste like nothing cinematic like hitting a hand

675
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Speaker 1: or something like, you're not gonna stamp that way.

676
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you guys seen most or any of the Sopranos. Yeah,

677
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: there's a really incredible scene where Tony he's got this

678
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: like I think he's a lawyer or no, he's a

679
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: politician actually, and he finds out that he's sleeping with

680
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: Tony's ex gar or whatever, remember, and he just walks

681
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: into the dude's house while he's his underwear and just

682
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 3: takes his belt off and just starts like slamming him,

683
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 3: you know, while the guy's like whippering in the corner.

684
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: That is how I picture this guy. That is an

685
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: excellent scene.

686
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: It's wallop after wallap headshots and Brooks is like Bam,

687
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Bam, I'm a jerk, Bam, bam bam. And

688
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: Sumner is recovering from this head wound and he's running

689
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: about trying to protect himself. It doesn't it does these

690
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: kinds of If you've ever been in a fight like this,

691
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, they typically don't last very long. This guy's bleeding,

692
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: he's likely concussed. Head wounds are just super gushers. He

693
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: has to be carried away. He can't walk on his

694
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: own power. And Brooks when he's done with this, he

695
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: walks calmly out of the chamber. It's like if since

696
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: we're doing anachronistic music, probably in his head there's something

697
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: like easy, like a Sunday morning play like that. Yeah,

698
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: he's like and amasic, right, and.

699
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Speaker 3: It's interesting because both of these guys, to their respective crony,

700
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: He's kind of become like the symbolic kind of hero,

701
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: so weird, oh regard super weird, and I believe doesn't.

702
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Speaker 3: The dispenser of the beating resign and he gets yeah,

703
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: and what happens next He gets reelected, but then he dies, Yeah,

704
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: at the age of thirty seven. So it's not all bad.

705
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Speaker 1: And that's what he's most famous for. And Sumner does live.

706
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Speaker 1: Sumner takes some time recovering. He eventually returns to the

707
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Speaker 1: Senate and he serves there for another eighteen years. This

708
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Speaker 1: turns out to be somewhat prescient, somewhat of an omen

709
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: for the future of the United States, which is hurtling

710
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: headlong toward an actual civil war.

711
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, it was bound to happen sooner or later.

712
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: I think we've got one more, really juicy one involving

713
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: fisticuffs to take us home with. Yeah, let's take it

714
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: homes one.

715
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: It's fast.

716
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Speaker 3: We saved it.

717
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: So the most infamous floor brawl in the history of

718
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Speaker 1: the US House of Representatives. This is, by the way,

719
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: from the US House of Rep's website. This thing happened

720
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Speaker 1: when members of the House debated the Kansas Territories pro

721
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Speaker 1: Slavery Constitution late into the night of February fifth through sixth,

722
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Speaker 1: eighteen fifty eight, and right right before two am, Pennsylvania

723
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Speaker 1: Republican named Galusha grow real.

724
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Speaker 3: Name, Galusha, grow your big Galot.

725
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: Right, they're perfect. Yeah, it gets into a tangle with

726
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: a Democrat from South Carolina named Lawrence Kiett.

727
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting too because, like several of these stories,

728
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: or at least this one in the last one, really

729
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: show you the tension that was building around, you know,

730
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Speaker 3: slavery and the issue, the political divide that was coming

731
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: very very clear, and it was going to just come

732
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Speaker 3: to a boiling point. And I think that's largely why

733
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: he can so many of these, like actual brawls taking

734
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: place during this time really sensitive. You know, a little

735
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: spark could just set off a whole forest fire. And

736
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Speaker 3: that's exactly what happens here. On February sixth, eighteen fifty eight,

737
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: in an odd precursor to the Civil War, rights Will

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Speaker 3: Fermia for MSNBC, the House of Representatives dissolved into a

739
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: bench clearing brawl. Is that like where so I guess

740
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Speaker 3: a bench clearing brawl is in a sport where like

741
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: all your buddies come to your aid because like you're

742
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: getting all kicked out on the basketball court almost a

743
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: basketball field. Because I'm totally a sportsman.

744
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 4: It's very common in baseball. So in vice breakout in

745
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: baseball is that the bench wall come out. But when

746
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: it gets really serious, people from the bullpen, which is

747
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 4: out on the outfit will run in and get in the.

748
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: Fight as well.

749
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Speaker 1: Got shout out of Philadelphia exactly almost at yeah, famous

750
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Speaker 1: famously chill City.

751
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Speaker 4: Side note, I'm writing an episode you guys don't even

752
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 4: know about this one yet where I uh it talks

753
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: about how Pennsylvania is just extra I've got.

754
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: This discontinued soda stuff too. I know all of us

755
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: are excited about that.

756
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: Oh you doing that one? Cool? Yeah yeah yeah, I

757
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: am gonna do karaoke, yeah yeah yeah. It was reported

758
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: at the time by the Congressional Globe that in an

759
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: instant the House was in the greatest possible confusion, with

760
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: more than thirty of its members uh joining in to

761
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: this brawl. You know, like literally picture the cartoon fight

762
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: with the giant cloud of dust and like people are

763
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: jumping in and coming out, crawling out, being dragged back

764
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 3: in you know. M yeah, it giant on a monopoia.

765
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: Texts on screen, you.

766
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Know, raining cats and dogs, of punches, fisticuffs, uppercuts, you know,

767
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: hooks and jabs, probably you know, maybe a couple of roundhouses.

768
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: I like the idea of one dude launching himself and

769
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: doing that full like two person or two foot kick,

770
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, or why not a lu king bicycle kick.

771
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: At this point, it's those linings, right, you know, inventing

772
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: moves that the WWE will make billions off of in

773
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: the future.

774
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: Nor the.

775
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: Northern Republicans of Free Soilers team up against Southern Democrats,

776
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: and I got to tell you there are probably a

777
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: lot of grudges getting settled here. There are probably a

778
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: lot of sneak shots at people who didn't like each

779
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: other from the jump, and some of those examples are

780
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: lost to history. But it was absolutely a brawl. The

781
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: speaker of South Carolina Democrat named James Orr was just

782
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: uselessly hitting the gavel. It was like order order, and.

783
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't the menu today, buddy.

784
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: They weren't listening because they were busy beating the snot

785
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: out of each other. So eventually he leans to the

786
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: sergeant at arms, a guy named Adam J. Glossbrenner, and

787
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: he says, you know, look, if people aren't listening, arrest them.

788
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, get them out of it. Have you guys ever

789
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: been to like a I guess, for lack of a

790
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: better term, minor league wrestling events, Yes, like, yeah, a

791
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: lot of times. There are some very interesting and problematic

792
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: political kind of like they'll be like the Luca Libre

793
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: guy fighting like a mister America, you know, and it's

794
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: clearly a kind of creepy commentary on you know, border protection.

795
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: I picture this, This whole scenario should be made into

796
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 3: a wrestling event with all of these you know, government

797
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: reps just having at each other, you know, pulling off

798
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: their powdered wigs. Yeah, yeah, with that. I don't know

799
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Speaker 3: if they wore powdered wigs, but I'm just you know,

800
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Speaker 3: it's a good they were.

801
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: Fancy they wore powdered wigs, otherwise everyone would know they

802
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: had lice. Please check out the very first episode of

803
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: our show. Why do Bidish lawyers wear those wigs? They're

804
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: called perukes. So okay, if you are James Orr at

805
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: this point then you're doing the right thing. You have

806
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: followed your order of order of operations. And if you

807
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: are Adam Glossbredder, now the onus is on you. Now

808
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: the ball is in your court. What are you gonna do?

809
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: He's got the house mace. What you guys know about

810
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: it's symbolic, it's kind of ridiculous. It's a fancy or kine.

811
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: And so he according to this MSNBC article we quoted earlier,

812
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Speaker 1: he walks into the fray and he is getting in fights.

813
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: These people, by the way, to the point about hair pieces,

814
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Speaker 1: they are literally snatching wigs. John Bowie, Knife Potter and

815
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Speaker 1: Cad Walader Washburn riped the way they snatched the wig

816
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: off a democrat from Mississippi named William Barksdale. And then

817
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: Potter like holds it up and he goes scout, super classy,

818
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: super classy. This like a world Star moment. You know,

819
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: if this were filmed on a cell phone, you would

820
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: hear the person filming it just yelling world star. That's

821
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: an Internet reference that might do.

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Speaker 3: And I think you know, Barksdale was kind of getting

823
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: clowned already because he was wearing a wig or it

824
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: was like more of a two paves. Was not a

825
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: ceremonial peruke or or you know, hair piece. It was

826
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Speaker 3: definitely a cosmetic thing to hide a lack of actual hair.

827
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Speaker 3: But apparently when he put it back off, he put

828
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Speaker 3: it on backwards, getting it kind of caught up in

829
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Speaker 3: the melee of it all.

830
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Speaker 2: What's even worse is no one knew he was wearing

831
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Speaker 2: a wig, and tis what I mean.

832
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were totally like, you know, mocking him.

833
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: It was.

834
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Speaker 3: This is actually a moment that's often played for laughs

835
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: in a kind of physical comedy, you know, where a

836
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 3: character you know, will get.

837
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Speaker 1: This where the humor kind of quells the tension.

838
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: That's what happens, right, It becomes more of like a

839
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: ah like that think of this dummy, and you know

840
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: they have.

841
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: That pause and the music stops and they pointing each

842
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: other like and then the other guy was about to

843
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: kill him, is like, I guess that is funny, and

844
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: then everybody starts laughing, and then it goes to a

845
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: freeze frame roll credits.

846
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: The mid air jump, you know, right, high fives. Look

847
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: what are we doing? Guys love each other, you know,

848
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 3: the business of running the country.

849
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Speaker 1: So we are going to call it a rap, thanks

850
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: of course our recurring guest Alex Circa.

851
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: And it's also just ninety something.

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00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: Yes, a fan of circumstance, we are. We also want

853
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: to point out that, of course we're dunking on the

854
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: United States here with the help of our research associate

855
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: mister Max Williams. However, it is very important for us

856
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: all to know this is not a glasshouse situation. It

857
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: is a glass planet. There are tons and tons of

858
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: parliamentary fisticuffs and fights and brawls. I want to give

859
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: a shout out to South Korea in twenty twenty where yeah,

860
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: when more the almost forty people got got up in

861
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: a tangle like a massive fight. It happens more often

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Speaker 1: than you think, folks.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, I mean, after all, you know, these people aren't

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Speaker 3: somehow superior supreme beings. They have just as many foibles

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Speaker 3: and failings as the rest of us, in some cases

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Speaker 3: way more so. You know, always important to remember not

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Speaker 3: to put anybody up on a pedestal. Least of all,

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Speaker 3: are our humble politicians humbule public sent not very humble,

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Speaker 3: are very humble modest public servants.

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Speaker 1: Also good not to put canes to people's heads, as

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Speaker 1: everybody's grade school teacher once said use your words, so

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Speaker 1: I think it was always to a super producer, mister

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Speaker 1: Max Williams. Thanks to our own King over the Head,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland aka the Wizard. Shout out to Alex Williams,

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Speaker 1: composed this slap and pop.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, thanks to Eaves, Jeff Coates, and Christopher frasiotis here

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Speaker 3: in spirit. Ben, Thanks to you for not coming at

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Speaker 3: me with a cane, even though I see it in

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Speaker 3: your eyes sometimes that you really want to.

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Speaker 1: I don't look at you as often as you think.

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Speaker 3: Man, WHOA careful We'll see you next. Type Books. For

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