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Speaker 1: Here's what you missed on Buck Sexton with America. Now

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Speaker 1: we have Kim Strassel on the line. She is the

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Speaker 1: author of The Intimidation Game, How the Left is silencing

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Speaker 1: It's great to be here. Buck. Okay, what's your what's

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Speaker 1: what's happened this week with the administration, Russia collusion, Donald

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Speaker 1: line is that this has to be one of the

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Speaker 1: it's a giant nothing burger. Uh and the degree to

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Speaker 1: not is just astounding to me. What do you think

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Speaker 1: already have Senator Kane using the word treason. We have

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Speaker 1: others who clearly think that this is going to lead

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Speaker 1: that actually happened I'm saying that here, represented Brad Sherman

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Speaker 1: So the longer that they can keep the media focused

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Speaker 1: potentially divides Republicans, forces them to take size on issues.

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Speaker 1: So for them and the short term politically, this is

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Speaker 1: a very valuable strategy for them, and a long term

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Speaker 1: seat to email uproar. I feel like Kim, that's almost

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Speaker 1: a certainty at this point. Right, there's no way that

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Speaker 1: that don't benefit the American people. Essentially, they have to

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Speaker 1: also the palace intrigue leaks. Right, there's the uh, the

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Speaker 1: that exists at some level. We just don't know who's

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Speaker 1: She's author of The Intimidation Game and a Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal editorial columnists. Kim, where are you on healthcare right now?

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Speaker 1: What do you think about Mitch McConnell saying by the

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Speaker 1: give him, if you could send him an email tonight

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Speaker 1: to be out there every day tweeting, not offensive things

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Speaker 1: stuff that's not happening. Because Democrats will not confirm his nominees.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've got two people that have been appointed

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Speaker 1: For its job is to approve pipelines. Right now, it

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Speaker 1: Nothing is happening in that area because Chuck Schumer is

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Speaker 1: That would be fantastic. Let's hope it happens. It would

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Speaker 1: be great. Kim Stressle everybody check out her book, The

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Speaker 1: The Intimidation Game, How the Left is silencing free speech

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